1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak. 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: All right, welcome to in the Vets Office. I am 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: your host, doctor Josie, and this week we are joined 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: by a very special guest, my friend Nicki Varva. She 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: is an amazing dog trainer. She's been training for twelve 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: years professionally and actually just this past December went out 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: on her own and decided to open up her own 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: training program here in Nashville. It's called Always Training Canine. 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: Her bread and butter is behavior modification, but she really 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: does it all. She can do doc diving, search and 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: rescue and is really passionate about training service dogs for 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: veterans with PTSD. 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: So welcome Nicki. I'm so happy to have you. Thank 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: you for having me. I'm excited to be here. You're welcome. 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: And as always, this podcast is BYOD. So we have 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: mister Sailor here, which is Nicky's dog. Tell us a 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: little bit about Sailor. 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: So, Saylor's about to be He's about to be two. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: He's a German Shorthaired poeinner and he is a dog 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: that I got to be able to. He's like a 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: demo dog. I can have him around any dogs that 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: I bring into training, and he can bring them out 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: of their show. He can also be a great distraction 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: for them, So he's kind of a what I call 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: my co pilot. That's amazing. Does he should be on payroll? 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: You know, he gets to live their rent free, so 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's enough for him. 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: It's gonna say, Sailor's so handsome. I was just telling 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Nicky we've had dogs take poops in the studio. My 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: dog bit Bobby last season, and Sailor's sitting here like 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: a perfect angel. 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: So we had a long talk on the way. You know, 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, behave you're a trainer's dog, you know, 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. The bar is very high, very high. Well, 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: we'll jump right into our case of the week. 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: We always talk about something that I've seen in practice. 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: A lot of times owners don't really know what's going 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes and the trenches, as we say, 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: and so the case for this week is a sad one, 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: but I think it's important to talk about because we 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: do see it from time to time. It was one 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: of my owners called me and said, hey, you know, 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: I left a bag of veggie straws out on the counter, 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: and he had three dogs, and one of them got 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: up on the counter, got the bag of food, brought 46 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: them down. He came home from whatever errand he was 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: running and it was I think pretty gruesome. There was 48 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: blood everywhere. Two of the dogs had ganged up on 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: the smaller dog and beat them up pretty bad. 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Which it's a sad story. 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: It's not a great case of the week, but I 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: think it's an important one to talk about because so 53 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: often we think about dogs fighting each other at the 54 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: dog park or getting into altercations when they're on the leash. 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: But I in practice, we'll see dogs that live together 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: and that are siblings fight and. 57 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Hurt each other all the time. 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: So I'm a big proponent of when you're leaving the house, 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: putting them in a crate. 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? One hundred percent? You 61 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: know that, honestly, right there could just saved that fight. 62 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: You never know. I told you this. Nobody can ever 63 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: guarantee you what your dogs are gonna do when they're 64 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: by themselves, whether it's a single dog or multiple dogs. 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: The safest thing that you can do is just put 66 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: them in a crate, right put them in a crate. 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm at that. People say that's a 68 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: band aid, but honestly, that could have saved a big 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: fight or losing a dog. Yeah, and to that. 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: Extent, yeah, and sadly we do see the big dog 71 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: little dog. Are altercations where we do lose these dogs. 72 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: I mean they can it can be a life or 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: death situation. And I find that owners feel guilty about 74 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: the crate, but it is so important. And I have 75 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: found that dogs really like their crate. 76 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: They do. They love it. We put a lot of 77 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: human emotion on it, you know, they they call them 78 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: a cage or I want my dog to just be 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: a dog. Well, at the end of the day, they 80 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: are a dog, and we can't expect them to live 81 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: in a human life and be able to do the 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: things that we expect them to do when at the 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: end of the day, they're a dog. And so the 84 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: crate honestly is a great way to put you know, 85 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: your dog in a safe spot to where they do 86 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: feel comfortable. It is like their own room. It's how 87 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: we escape too. We like to go to our own 88 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: rooms and kind of relax. That's a great place for 89 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: your dog to go as well we Cody and I 90 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: will refer to our dogs Create as their condo. Yes, 91 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: they have their own little condo and they can just relax, 92 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: they can take a breath, like they don't have to 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: be on they don't have to be on alert. So 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: I think it's important for them to be able to 95 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: take a break, just like you and I absolutely absolutely, 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, when dogs are 97 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: they're active twenty four to seven, you know, so they 98 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: honestly really enjoy being able to go into their crate 99 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: and take a nap and turn off, you know. So 100 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: it's great and again it's something that can really I 101 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: tell people all the time to prevent things from happening. 102 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Your Create is your number one thing that can prevent 103 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: things from happening. 104 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Next up, we will dive into 105 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: some of our listener calls. 106 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: Hello, doctor Josie, your nephew, Hank is five months old. 107 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 3: He's a Portuguese water dog and he started humping. My 108 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: question is is this for sexual reasons or is there 109 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: any other reasons why this would be happening and how 110 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: can we minimize that? 111 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: Okay, that was my brother in law, Tanner, who just 112 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: got a puppy and I get this question all the time. 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do too. 114 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: It as a trainer, oh absolutely, where dogs puppies a 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: lot of times as they're maturing a little bit, and 116 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: even adult dogs will hump. And whether they're neutered or 117 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: in spade or not, or even a female dog, even 118 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: a female dog, we will see humping. And it does not, necessarily, 119 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: I would say, the majority of the time, does not 120 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: equate to them being sexually aroused. More than not, I 121 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: find that it is, and I would love to hear 122 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: your opinion too. I find that it's they are excited 123 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: and overstimulated and they're kind of displacing that anxiety and 124 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: excitement and it turns into humping. But it's not hey, 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm want to have. 126 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: Sex exactly, it is. It happens a lot when dogs 127 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: are very overstimulated, so it's an outlet. So it's something 128 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: that they can do. Now, some dogs will go into displacement, 129 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: they get excited and maybe go right and pick up 130 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: a ball because they're just trying to put their energy 131 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: into something. And some dogs, of course just start humping. 132 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: You know. 133 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: Yes, at times it can be a dominant kind of thing, 134 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, where two dogs are sizing each other up, 135 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a little bit. Normally it's it's 136 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: always just overstimulation. Yeah, so, brother Tanner, no worries. Hank 137 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: Is is good to go. He's probably just really happy 138 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: to be alive, exactly. He's not attracted to you. We're good, Yeah, 139 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: all right. Next up. 140 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: Hi, My name is Anne. 141 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: Then. 142 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: I volunteer at a pet shelter in Delaware, and I 143 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: had a question about dogs. We noticed one day all 144 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: the dogs were going wild when one man approached. Now 145 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: he's worked with these dogs before, but they were very, 146 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: very agitated by him this time. And he happened to 147 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: be wearing a bright orange almost a hunter orange shirt. 148 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: Could this have been something that would have triggered the dogs? 149 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: Is that common for them to be triggered by certain colors? 150 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: I have two thoughts when I hear this, The first 151 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: of which is dogs are pack animals. I think if 152 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: maybe the other dogs had interactive with this person before, 153 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: but I think if one starts barking, they can all 154 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: sort of trigger each other and then spiral a bit. 155 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: The other thought, and not to get too scientific, is 156 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: that dogs only have two cones in their retinas. Humans 157 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: have three, and so dogs can't really make out red 158 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: or green colors. They can really only make out blues 159 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: and yellows. And so I feel like orange kind of 160 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: falls into that red category, and it can look like 161 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: a very dark color to them. So it is very 162 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: possible that a big man wearing that color of shirt 163 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: could be causing them to be a little bit more 164 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 2: fearful than usual. 165 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And also so you got to think in 166 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: a rescue is my thing would be do you have 167 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: a new dog? Has the new dog? Is this the 168 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: one that started the barking? Isn't it causes everybody to bark. 169 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: So a lot of times when somebody says a dog 170 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: or dogs have done something out of the norm, it's 171 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: normally not out of the norm. You gotta think about 172 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: what triggered it prior. You know, did the guy come 173 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: through a different door, did you know? There's all kinds 174 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: of different things you go into it, but definitely, you know, 175 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: dogs again, I've seen dogs act differently when they've actually 176 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: been able to see a color, you know, whether it 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: be I'm gonna have a chair in the yard, that's 178 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: it blue and now the dogs are like, oh my god, 179 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: what is that? Yeah, mikes, because I've never been able 180 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: to see it before. Yeah, I mean, so it does. 181 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, dogs definitely can you know, change to routine 182 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: or something that's different in their life and act different 183 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: to it. But definitely in a kennel situation, if one barks, 184 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: they're all going to explode. Absolutely. 185 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: And I think one thing that you just said that 186 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: I think really rings true for me is routine. Dogs 187 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: are such routine, natured creatures, and just like you said, 188 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: of anything as different from the usual. 189 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I can really throw them off absolutely. 190 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: All right, that was our last question of the day, 191 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: But if you have any questions for me, feel free 192 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: to click that link in the show notes and record 193 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: any questions you have. Nothing is off limits, and we're 194 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. 195 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: All right, Nikki, I am so excited to learn a 196 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: little bit more about you. You know, you don't hear 197 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: every day about people being dog trainers. How did you 198 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: find yourself on this path? 199 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: This is a million dollar question. I have been asked 200 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: as many times and I always just kind of laugh 201 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: and be like, because I love dogs, But to actually 202 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: know a little bit more about me, it goes deeper 203 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: than that. So I've always struggled with anxiety. I had 204 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: a reading learning disability, and just growing up, I was 205 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: just one of those kids that just didn't know how 206 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: to fit in. But I always grew up with a dog, 207 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: and you know, I would rush on from school and 208 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: be like, where's my dog, just because that's where I felt, 209 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: you know that piece And growing up, you know, you 210 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: always hear that you need to be a doctor, you 211 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: need to be a lawyer. You know, you need to 212 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: go to a four year college. So dog training is 213 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: really not on your radar that you could do this 214 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: as a career. So fast forward twenty fourteen, I moved 215 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: to California to go to dog training school, and that 216 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: is where I found peace. Dog training really saved my life. 217 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: It brought me to where I was like, this is 218 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: my purpose. And I think we all thrive to find 219 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: our purpose in life, and that's where I found it. 220 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: I really just you know, when I talk about anxiety 221 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I think it's really hard for 222 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: people to communicate how we are feeling. So growing up 223 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: I never knew like how to communicate with somebody like 224 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: how I was feeling. So look at dogs. They can't 225 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: talk so they cannot express to their owners how I'm 226 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: feeling this situation makes me feel uncomfortable or I'm scared 227 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: of this situation. And so that is where really everything 228 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: opened up to me, and I was like, I can 229 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: be the voice for these dogs. Is I know exactly 230 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: where they are. You know, they're nervous and they can't 231 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: communicate to why. And so I just dove deep into 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: it and was like, Okay, I'm going to be your voice. 233 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: Like I get you, I totally get you. So now 234 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to educate your owner to 235 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: ways that you guys can actually communicate on a dog level. 236 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: And again, so it's just really dog training, you know, 237 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: saved my life. So I think, you know, we've talked 238 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: about this a little bit. I think that a lot 239 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: of the people in the animal field have a background 240 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: where they felt, whether it was growing up or at 241 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: some point in their life, it was challenging and they 242 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: felt that really the only place of comfort. 243 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: And unconditional love came from their animals. I know for me, 244 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: like I grew up in a very tumultuous household, there 245 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: was addiction and divorce, and my dog was like my 246 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: one true outlet and so I think it's so true 247 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: where it's like it just goes deeper than just loving dogs. 248 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: It's like a it's a vocation. I would say, yeah. 249 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean because dogs are true, they don't judge, they're 250 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: happy to see us all the time, you know. So 251 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I think it's where people can really feel themselves, is 252 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: around something that is just there to love you so pure. 253 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: It is. 254 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: One thing you said, and I have never heard of this. 255 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: What is dog training school like? 256 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: So there's really not a dog training quote unquote school. 257 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: You know they're in the US. There's not certifications. Anybody 258 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: can literally wake up in the morning and say I'm 259 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: a dog trainer. That's scary, very you know, very scary. 260 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: And so when I went to California, there was a 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: a business that actually where you could go and pay 262 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: and start to learn, you know, about dog training. So 263 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: I think anybody, before you are working with clients, you're 264 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: a dog enthusiast. When you become a dog professional is 265 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: when you've actually are working with clients, you know, and 266 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: actually teaching people how to work their dogs. And so 267 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: I went to where I could just have my hands 268 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: on so many dogs because that's where it comes into 269 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: is you can train your own dogs, absolutely, but until 270 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: you've had your hands on so many breeds, so many temperaments, 271 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: so many personalities and all that, then you really have 272 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: cannot like you in your practice. But again it is 273 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: very scary because you can have anybody. You can google 274 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: dog training near me and there's hundreds and hundreds of 275 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, different companies from you know, the franchises or 276 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: to somebody like me that is just you know, hey, 277 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: I've been dog trainings for you know, twelve years. But 278 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: it's all about too is when you're looking for a 279 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: dog trainer, you know, red flags are where where your 280 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: dog stays? If they won't show you where your dog 281 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: is going to be living or proof, you know, show 282 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: me what you've done with dogs, not your personal dog. 283 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Because anybody that trains dogs your dogs can look fancy. 284 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I can do all kinds of crazy things with Sailor, 285 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that I'm going to be teaching 286 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: that to somebody else's to somebody else's dogs. So I 287 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: think again, when you are looking for a dog trainer, 288 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: you really need to dive deep into your research. You know, 289 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: talk to many people if you don't feel comfortable with them, 290 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: from the get go, just with a conversation, then that 291 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: trainer's probably not for you. But asking all kinds of questions, 292 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: you know. 293 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: Is it normal for clients to ask for like a 294 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: reference or a testimonial, you know? 295 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: I think sometimes you know, you can go on Google 296 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: and you can find that. But I always tell people 297 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: when I talk to them, is if you want references, 298 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: I can give you. Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give 299 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: you a whole bunch, you know what I mean. I'm 300 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: very with my and if you follow me on Instagram, 301 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: you can see that I'm very transparent with what I do. 302 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm very honest with what I do, so you can 303 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: see that when your dog is with me, all of 304 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: my Instagram stories are dedicated to that owner and that 305 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: dog because I am training the owner in that moment. 306 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: So you get to actually see your dog training through 307 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: the process of the time that they're with me. So 308 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, here's your dog, it's done. This 309 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: is what I've done and this is what you have 310 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: to do as well. 311 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: I can speak from personal experience. Nicky and I met 312 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: through Wags and Walks. What I talk about all the 313 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: time on this podcast and one of my dogs. Oakly 314 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: the big German shepherd. He is a wags and walks alum, 315 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: and like so many other rescue dogs, he came to 316 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: me a little bit more timid anxiety, yes, but just 317 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: a little bit more timid. Then as he got more comfortable, 318 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: he was like, Ooh, I'm gonna bark on the leash 319 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: at other dogs and I'm gonna defend our house. And 320 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: I was dealing with leash reactivity and so I was 321 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: referred to you, and I can speak firsthand. It's just 322 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: how amazing you are at what you do. And I 323 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: also love your Instagram. That is so unique. I haven't 324 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: seen many other people. I don't know if anyone's doing that. 325 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: And for my husband and I was so cool to 326 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: follow along because all day long you're posting videos of 327 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: what you're doing. It helps us understand, Okay, this is 328 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: what we need to be doing. And just like you said, 329 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: I think that's a level of transparency that when your 330 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: dog is going to board and live somewhere else, like 331 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: you have to have that. 332 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean even for my own dogs. I 333 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: know I can imagine sending my dog somewhere for a 334 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: long period of time and especially not getting updates and 335 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: like are they okay or is that going on? Yeah? 336 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: So it's great for the owners one, you know, because 337 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: you guys can see your dogs thriving, having fun. But 338 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: the reason why I do that is there is never 339 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: enough time that I can have with you to give 340 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: you all of my knowledge you know, on your dog, 341 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: because every dog is different. So while your dog is 342 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: with me, I tell people you are actually learning like 343 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: you are supposed to be watching these Instagram stories because 344 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: not only am I telling you what I'm doing, The 345 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: key with dog training is telling you the why why 346 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: am I doing this? Why is your dog acting that way? 347 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: And what do you need to do? And also to 348 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: you know I'm doing this, but why am I doing this? 349 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: So then when it comes down to whenever the dog 350 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: goes home graduation day, you guys have already been watching 351 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: for the weeks that you know, I have your dog 352 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: what's going on, so you have the knowledge, so then 353 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: we can really jump into the hands on that matters. 354 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: So you guys have that education while it's going. But 355 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: also too, I think it's really cool to see your 356 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: dog from day one, to see oh my god, my 357 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: dog really can do that. I know it's amazing could 358 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: do that. It's amazing. I still follow your stories. 359 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: Oakley is now home and thriving and doing great, but 360 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: I still follow the stories because I just love to 361 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: see the transformation. Yes, it's unbelievable. You do such an 362 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: amazing job. I can't say enough great things. 363 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: What are would you say? 364 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: The most common issues that you see are seeing dogs 365 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: being brought in for training for. 366 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Separation anxiety, especially after COVID. Is gonna say, true, that 367 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: was everybody, you know, I get it. All the shelters 368 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: were empty, everybody was getting dogs, which is great, and 369 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: then they were spending so much time with their dogs, 370 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's just a journal besides COVID that 371 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: separate separation anxiety is probably the biggest, biggest thing. But 372 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: also to separation anxiety leads into leash reactivity, leads into 373 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: destruction behavior. So that is probably my number one thing 374 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: is I can't leave my dog alone. They hate their create, 375 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: They destroy my home, and sometimes even to owners are 376 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: prisoners of their home. 377 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I see this all the time and practice people 378 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: will come in and talk to me about it, and 379 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: it's it is rampant, especially after COVID, and I think 380 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: that's yes, the dogs are used to having us home, 381 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: but also we were used to being home with our pets, 382 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: and so I think as owners we are also much 383 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: more hesitant to leave our animals versus before it was like, 384 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more commonplace. 385 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it teaches them. You know, a lot 386 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: of dogs can't stand on their own four pause. They 387 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: just can't. So a lot of times I tell people 388 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that your dog doesn't know how to life without you, 389 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, and even too a lot of times too, 390 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: they don't know how to life with you, meaning that 391 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: you get up to go to the bathroom, here they come, 392 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You just stand up and 393 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, where are we going? And 394 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: so they're constantly anxious because they're constantly worried about what 395 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: you're going to do. And so we have to teach 396 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: them actually how to life with us. And that's something 397 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: about my training is it's not about obedience. Obedience is 398 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: the easy part. Sit down, stay, that's honestly the easy part. 399 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: But what I teach is how you live with your dog, 400 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and I teach your dog how to actually live with 401 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: you to where obedience actually comes into play. 402 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: What would you say The hardest issue you find to train. 403 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: Is nothing to do with the dog. It is the owner. 404 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: We are the problem. It's us, and it's something that 405 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: you guys are the problem. And I tell all my 406 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: clients this, you know, when they call, I will never 407 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: judge you for anything that you've done with your dog, 408 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: because you're doing the best that you can with the 409 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: knowledge that you have. You're not dog trainers. You know, 410 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you reached out, I will I'm very 411 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: proud of anybody that reaches out because you're trying. 412 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: But it does take us a little bit of like 413 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: vulnerability to be like, hey, even as a veterinarian, to 414 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 2: be like, hey, I know everything there is to possibly 415 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: know about animals, but I can't train my own dog, 416 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: like I need help, right. 417 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: And then a lot of times, you know, it is 418 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, well, I've had dogs 419 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: my whole life, but then they get a dog that 420 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: is different and they don't know what to do, you know, 421 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: and then reaching out and again is I don't criticize. 422 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't go oh my god, you're they're to blame 423 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: or anything like that. You know, I talk it through 424 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: and I tell people this is this is what's going on. 425 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: And again I'm talking for the dog of like, this 426 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: is why your dog is acting like this. But the 427 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: hardest part to change is change. That's for anybody with 428 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: anything besides dog training. It's you know, somebody says, I 429 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: want to get into shape, you know, but I don't 430 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: want to go to the gym, you know, and all that, 431 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: But it's just change and taking away human emotion. That 432 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: restricting your dog from getting on the couch or on 433 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: the bed is not gonna make your dog hate you, 434 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, it is actually going to just all this 435 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: training and boundaries, boundaries I cannot express enough and structure 436 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: is actually gonna make your dog love you even more. 437 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: And it's so hard as an owner, I think, as 438 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: a human, just that boundaries, whether it's with our family 439 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: or our friends, yes, and then let alone our dogs 440 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: we love more than anything. It just feels so impossible, 441 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 2: But in the end it benefits you so much more 442 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: than not. 443 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, your dogs will little. I mean, I will 444 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: love you more and you'll actually see what I love 445 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: so much is when dogs come in, we're gonna say 446 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: day three, day four, every dog takes a big sigh 447 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: relief with me kind of like like you get thank God, 448 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: you understand here's somebody that is I can talk to you, 449 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: and it's understanding what's going on to where we can communicate. 450 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: And then when they go home and they start working 451 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: with owners, I feel like the owners then can take 452 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: it sigh of relief too and be like, Okay, yeah, 453 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: now we find peace in our home because we all 454 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: have that, like we have an understanding of rules, boundaries 455 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: and structure, like symbiosis it is, you know, I get 456 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: so many pictures of like, oh my god, my dog 457 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: has never been this relaxed before. My dog doesn't you know, 458 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: jump at the doorbell anymore, and you just kind of 459 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: what happens again, owners become prisoners of their own home 460 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: because they, instead of having their dogs learn how to 461 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: live with them we do, owners will constantly do everything 462 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: to appease their dog, like I can't stay long at 463 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: dinner because I have to go let my dogs out 464 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: kind of, and so they become prisoners. So then at 465 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: the end of all this training and things, it really 466 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: is something that where I can feel that owners are 467 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: again they're living with their dogs in in a more 468 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: peaceful environment. 469 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: I know for me, it was really helpful just one 470 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: thing that you preach is consistency and clear expectations and communication. 471 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: And I think that it's nice to have someone guide 472 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: you like, Okay, this is what you should be doing, 473 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: this is why you should be doing it, and then 474 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: just knowing that your dog isn't going to be cured 475 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: like whatever they have like that, that is them. But 476 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: it's on us to kind of follow through and stick 477 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: with it. And it is a lot of work and 478 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: we do have to set boundaries. 479 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: But like I said, oh absolutely, and again kind of 480 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: touching back on that finding a dog trainer. If anybody 481 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: says I can cure your dog and I can fix 482 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: your dog, run, Yeah, there is no fix. There's no 483 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: cure because if you think about my you know, always 484 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: training canines, you're literally for your dog's entire life. You're 485 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: always training, you know, and it's just become something that 486 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: it's again routine, like putting your dog on place when 487 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: you're eating dinner. It becomes a lifestyle of you know, 488 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: it's not just like I don't have a magic wand 489 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: I can't you know, I don't go and go to 490 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: dog your dog is cured and we'll love all dogs 491 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and we'll do all these things. So 492 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: it does take consistency, but I layer that foundation to 493 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: where you guys can go home and you have the 494 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: tools and the knowledge to just thrive and take your 495 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: dog even further. Yeah. Absolutely. 496 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: So when we were first introduced, Catherine from WAG she 497 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: introduced us and she said, hey, I have this veterinarian. 498 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: She has a wax alum and you were like, oh boy. 499 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: And it made me laugh because there is I think 500 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: some misconceptions or maybe it's not a misconception with trainers 501 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: and veterinarians. And it's funny because you know, as vets, 502 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: we work with animals all day long in a very 503 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: different capacity than what you do. And so where do 504 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: you think that like, what do you think that tension is? 505 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to speak for everybody, yeah, of course, 506 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, but I do think where I'm going to 507 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: speak personally, Yeah, is I have a lot of you know, 508 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: I have clients to call me and you know, talked 509 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: about their dogs with separation anxiety or behavioral issues and 510 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: they tell me my dog is on a lump sum 511 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: of trasdone or Elville or ace and all these things. 512 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, so your dog is just 513 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: sedated zombie zombie, right, and they're still having issues and 514 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you know. So at my point of course is, you know, 515 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: I don't only know how much the client tells me 516 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: that the vets, and so I'm like, oh my god, 517 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: why didn't you know? Why are they just throwing you 518 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: on all this medicine like you needed to, you know, 519 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: go to dog training, you know, you needed you know, 520 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: a behavior is kind of a thing, and so I 521 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: think that's where we kind of get this like, oh veterinarian. Yeah, 522 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: And of course it goes deeper into you know, food 523 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: or shots, and we could go on this long, you 524 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: know kind of thing. But I think the main thing 525 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: I get is I want to know behind closed doors. 526 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: I know you probably I don't know how many clients, 527 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, clients you see in a day, and you 528 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: only see that dog for twenty fifteen minutes maybe, and 529 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: you get a brief you know, and probably not even 530 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: the full story of why the dog has been acting like, yes, 531 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, and and again in that moment, yes again. 532 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Safety for a dog is my number one concern. So 533 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: if the dog is breaking out of the crateon literally 534 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: like you know, hurting, themselves. Sure, okay, give that dog 535 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: some trisdone, But also to I want to know, do 536 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: you guys recommend that these these dogs go to training. 537 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: It's so hard. 538 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: I think I can only speak for myself. I do 539 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: you know, you know we see twenty five appointments a 540 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: day on a busy day. Every fifteen minutes you're seeing 541 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: an appointment, and I'm in there to focus on the 542 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: medical side of things. So it's I'm doing my physical exam. 543 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out why they're having diarrhea. I 544 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: need to update them on their vaccines. And then oh, 545 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: by the way, he's trying to kill Fluffy when we 546 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: go on walks and I have two minutes left in 547 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: my appointment, and so of course behavior modification is so 548 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: so so important, but when the owners at their wits end, 549 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: I do know, Like for me, I'm like, okay, well 550 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: here's a little something to hopefully help at home. I 551 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: will say, I think as veterinarians, it's so important for 552 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: us to have a list of trainers that we do recommend. 553 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: And that is something that I print out for every 554 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: single one of my clients when they are having behavioral complaints. 555 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: And so what I would say to owners and listeners 556 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: out there is if you're having behavioral issues with your dog, yes, 557 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: your veterinarian is a great resource, but they're probably not 558 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: going to be the first person to go to. So 559 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 2: I would ask them a do you have a trainer 560 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: that you recommend. If they don't, then just like Nikki said, 561 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: you can find them on the internet and just look 562 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: for those prerequisites that we talked about. Where they're transparent, 563 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: they have good referrals, they're showing you exactly where they're boarding. 564 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: They're not having a ton of dogs all at once, 565 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: because I agree, I mean, these it requires so much 566 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: more than just a band aid, which a lot of 567 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: times is what the medication is. 568 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: Right right, So I think, you know, again they these 569 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: dogs and they're like, oh, my dog has been them 570 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: for six months, has been on a trousdone you know, 571 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: and still breaking out, you know of crates and things 572 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: like that. But again I understand, I do as you know, 573 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm not like, oh my god, these vets, you know 574 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, but of course even two I've 575 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: had dogs that I've trained go in that have to 576 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: wear a muzzle, you know, because the dog just hates 577 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: the vet. I'm sorry. The dog only sees the vet 578 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: probably only sees you what once every six months? Yeah? 579 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: If that? Yeah, yeah, And specifically I have a dog, 580 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: it's my friend's dog named Baker. Hates the vet. He 581 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: has to have a muzzle, you know what I mean. 582 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: He'll express his antal lands, which I know is one 583 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: of your favorite I've been there, but the vet would 584 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: be like, your dog needs to see a behavior less 585 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: or a trainer, and this dog has been through training tremendous. 586 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: This dog is a great dog, just doesn't like the vet. 587 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: And so at times I'm like really, And they'll even say, 588 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: like has told you know, my friend like we should 589 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: probably put him on trasidone and stuff. She's like, no, 590 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: he's really just he's only bad at the vet. So 591 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's kind of like, you know, 592 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: also to training doesn't fix everything. Again, I can't do 593 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: my magic war and have the dog love to have 594 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: a thermometer. 595 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, no, of course. And I hear what 596 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: you're saying there, and that makes sense. I will say, 597 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: I think in situational instances like that, it isn't a 598 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: bad idea to give them a little something before their visit. 599 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: Just to take the edge off. Absolutely it's less stressful 600 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: for the pet. 601 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: So by no means, I think trasidone absolutely has its 602 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: place and can be more safe and less stressful for 603 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: the animal and the veterinarian. But again it's not necessarily 604 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: that like long term fix for behavioral issues. 605 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is, you know, whenever 606 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: I was told you were a vet, I was like, 607 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on training tools? You know, I 608 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: mean a lot of times, you know, I do know 609 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: that some vets, again I'm not speaking for all of them. 610 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: Some vets you know, only recommend all positive training, and 611 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to serious behaviors, I'm sorry, a hot 612 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: dog isn't gonna get to your dog to stop barking, 613 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, do the trick. So I think again, I 614 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: really do wish, you know, if somebody were to say, 615 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 1: what would be in your perfect world is that veterinarians 616 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: and trainers work together. Yeah, I love that. 617 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: Maybe we're going to break the mold exactly, I know, 618 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, I think there's a place, and I 619 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: think I'm sure it happens all the time, but we 620 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: probably all could be a little bit better at it, 621 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: for sure. 622 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: If you think about all the knowledge you have, the 623 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: knowledge I have, how many dogs? I mean at our 624 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: goal is you're trying to save dogs and make them 625 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: feel better. I'm trying to save dogs and make them 626 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: feel better. Why can't we jump on the bandwagon. 627 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: Together and dude together, Absolutely, we're going to drive that bandwagon. 628 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: What is your most favorite dog to train? Breed? Wise 629 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Wise has a good question. 630 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a breed either. I guess 631 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: it could be like a general. 632 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: Just working dogs working I mean your cattle dogs, or 633 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, just any any working dog. To be honest, 634 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean to be if I was just being just 635 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: completely honest, any dog. I love to train any dog 636 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: because they're all different, you know what I mean? All different, 637 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and so every dog. Yes, at the end of the day, 638 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: I have an end goal result. Every dog brings to 639 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: me something different and I learn from every dog. Now, 640 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: I think the question probably was which dogs do I 641 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: not like to train? Yeah? Which ones do you not 642 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: like to train? To be honest is this is probably 643 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: gonna make people laugh shit suos. Oh my gosh. 644 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 2: Morgan, our producer is laughing right now because she has 645 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: a shit suh. 646 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: These dogs don't want to do anything. You know, you 647 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: could put a mortgage board of reads. They don't care steak, 648 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: and you could say sit, and that dog is going 649 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: to huff and roll its size and look the opposite way. 650 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: You're Actually, it's so funny you say that. And sorry, Morgan, 651 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: not to throw your shit, Toder. 652 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I still love training them. Just air them, just pick 653 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: them up. 654 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They're like little gremlins. I do love them. 655 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: They're so cute. But you're right, like our German chupherds 656 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: and our pointers in our labs, they're like, we want 657 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: to make you happy, We'll do whatever you say. And 658 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: the little lap dogs are a little bit more like, eah, 659 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: I'm good. 660 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I always like the dogs with attitude. 661 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: Those are my dogs. Chihuaala's ye give me a good Chiuala. 662 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm ready to train all day. 663 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: A whole year, preach into the choir. Okay, I'm gonna 664 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: rapid fire some breeds at you. Okay, I'd like you 665 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 2: to like say the first two to three words that 666 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: come to mind. And I want to preface this by 667 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: saying that we love all breeds. This is not to 668 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: stereotype them, but these are the most common breeds that 669 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: I see in practice. I'm sure you do too, and 670 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: I just like, I think it'd be funny to see 671 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: what the first couple words that come to mind are. 672 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Okay, hopefully we can anything out. 673 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no cussing, okay, number one French bulldogs. 674 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: One Golden Retrievers. Good old boy, good old boy. 675 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: Aren't they just the good as the boys pass as 676 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: golden doodles? 677 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Oh? The dudes? The dudes mm hmm, high strung. Maybe 678 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: to be honest, they doodles. To be honest, I do. 679 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: I train a lot of doodles, great dogs. They just 680 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: need training, you know. But I think this is a 681 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: lot of time soon we talk about dog breeds. It's 682 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: not the breed, it's how somebody has the breed. So 683 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: doodles are known to be your I don't have kids, 684 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and this is my first baby, and these dogs come 685 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: in spoiled, rotten. That's what a doodle is. Those are 686 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: two words I like that touaas love them, perfect, love them. 687 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I was speaking for you. Wag sends me, 688 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, all their feisty chihuahuas, and I'm surprised I 689 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: have not foster failed yet, not yet. Pit bull sweethearts. 690 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Australian Shepherds feisty, spicy like that. Standard poodles intelligent. If 691 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: anybody were to ask me again, if you were like, hey, 692 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: what kind of breed would you recommend to people, Toy 693 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: poodles or standard poodles are probably your perfect I agree, 694 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: perfect dog for anybody to have. A lot of times 695 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: people pass them because of the looks. But anytime I've 696 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: trained any kind of poodle, they've never had any issues. 697 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they as a vet like coming into the clinic. 698 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: They are perfect gentlemen or ladies. They just stand there perfectly, 699 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: and they're so smart. Yes, I love them. Corky's Fighters, 700 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: they are biers. People love Corgies because they're so cute, 701 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: and those little butts are so cute that they. 702 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: Bite and they bite. They're like rattlesnakes. 703 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: They are cavalier. King Charles Spaniel. 704 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: Perfect dog dog. If you're looking for you live in 705 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: an apartment, or you are retired and you're looking for 706 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: that that you just a lap dog, choking. 707 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Cat, cavies, boxers, goofballs. 708 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: I've never been able to see a dog touch its 709 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: nose to its tail in so many different directions, and 710 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: our goofy and just that face. I love them. They 711 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: are goofy miniature Schnauzer. I loveuers. They're one of the 712 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: most underrated breeds for me. Yeah, I have just Am. 713 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually training one right now to be an alert 714 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: sound alert service dog for a veteran and he is 715 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: a standard Snauzer and just and he's great. Great, They're 716 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: awesome great Danes. 717 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: They don't live long enough. I know that wasn't two words. 718 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: They don't live long enough. And I'd say scaredy cats, 719 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: gentle giant. They're like the elephant that's scared of the 720 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: mountain lap dog. Yes, I had a great Dan and 721 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: she definitely did not live long enough. I would have 722 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: loved her to live forever, but she was scared of 723 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: her own shadow. Yeah, the best. All right, that was 724 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: so fun. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll 725 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: be right back with Pallen Order. All right, this week 726 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: on Paw and Order, the first thing on my list 727 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: is I would not train my dog to use bells 728 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: or chimes to go outside when they have to go potty. Nicky, 729 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure you can speak to this, but I have 730 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: found that they abuse the bells and chimes, and. 731 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: They're just like, give me attention. They use an abuse. 732 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: They may just want to go outside and stretch, or 733 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: they just want it to get your attention. And then 734 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot of clients I have still have accidents. They 735 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: may rang the bell twenty five times a day and 736 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: stuck off to go to the bathroom. It just becomes 737 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of a toy, you know, to get your attention. Structure, schedule. 738 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: I when people ask me about potty training, it's my 739 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: potty training is I let my dogs know and they 740 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: need to go to the bathroom. It's a schedule, one 741 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: hundred percent. Yeah. 742 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: And when they're puppies, I think people think, oh my gosh, 743 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: this is great, like they're telling me when they have 744 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: to go, But when their puppies like, just no, they 745 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 2: have to go all the time. So every thirty seconds, 746 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: every ten seconds, you're taking them out, when they eat, 747 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: when they drink, when they wake up from a nap, 748 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: after they're done playing that you just need to preemptively 749 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: take them outside, and them ringing bells is just teaching 750 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: them bad behaviors. I think Nikki used the word it 751 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: turns them into little narcissists, which I thought was very funny. 752 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: It does you know it's funny? I mean because they will. 753 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: They'll also ring the bells when you're on a zoom 754 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: when you're eating dinner, They're just like, hey, I want attention, 755 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: I want out, And most of the time they don't 756 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. 757 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got you wrapp around their little paul absolutely 758 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 2: all right. Number two, I would not put my dog 759 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: that is already pulling me into a harness. 760 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: Oh why not? 761 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: You probably do you? Is there any dog you would 762 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 2: put in a harness? 763 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: Elderly? Okay? So I have a fifteen year old Border 764 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: Collie Charlie Brown that if I needed to take her somewhere, 765 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, the harness does work because she does stumble, 766 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: you know, and kind of fall. It kind of helps 767 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: give support. But harnesses, yes, the only time I would 768 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: recommend them is for puppies. When you first get a puppy, 769 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't want anything around their neck because you have 770 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: to teach them how to use that call or how 771 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: to have leash pressure. So on puppies. All of my 772 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: puppies they come home and they're on a harness because 773 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: then you can sit on your puppy, which means they 774 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: are on a leash and they're in that harness twenty 775 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,959 Speaker 1: four to seven, so you're giving them you know, they're 776 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: with you, so they don't have free access to the house. 777 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: But harnesses for puppies one hundred percent until you get 778 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: into that training stage, which would be about like four 779 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: months old. 780 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: I agree with that too, and not even coming from 781 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 2: a training background, but more of a medical background. 782 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: They're tiny little necks. 783 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: They're just so fragile, and I've seen dogs really get 784 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 2: hurt with the leash and the collar around their neck. 785 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: So harnesses for sure with puppies. Absolutely, harnesses is just 786 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: a great thing to get them used to it. And 787 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: then harness is to for dogs. Now I'm a big 788 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: advocate on riding traveling with your dogs and crates in 789 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: the car, but if you can't, that seat belt harness 790 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: because it keeps them from flying around in the car. 791 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: So that kind of thing. But if you are wanting 792 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: your dog not to pull, do not put a harness 793 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: on them. That's what harnesses are for. They are used 794 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: to you know, pull sleds or you know things like 795 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: that that harnesses are for that. So don't put your 796 00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: dog on a harness. 797 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just setting yourself up to like water ski 798 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: behind your dog. Yes, you're just sled dog and it 799 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: is what I call it, literally sled dogging it all right. 800 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: Number three, I would not free feed. This means leaving 801 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: out food all day long for your pets to graze. 802 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: I think it's really important to have structured feeding times. One, 803 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: if you are potty training, that makes it really difficult. 804 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: You've got food and water going in one end and 805 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 2: then coming out the other end. Willy nilly, you just 806 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: don't know exactly. And then be you can really create 807 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 2: a monster, you can. 808 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's sad. I'm sorry. You see this a 809 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: lot of obese beast dogs. It's easy to put on 810 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: the weight, it's hard to take it off right. But 811 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: then also too is you are missing a phenomenal training 812 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: opportunity with your dog. Now, I don't care if it's 813 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: in a bowl, but feed that dog from your hand. 814 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: Get your dog to sit, to place, to down, to come, 815 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: just working on that engagement because your dog, you know, 816 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: that's a resource. You know, I want my dog to 817 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: understand that food play affection comes from me. And again 818 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: you're missing that huge opportunity you know, for just reefeeding. 819 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: But Also, I see so many dogs, especially doodles, picky eaters. Yes, 820 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: they're very picky. They will cover. They will come to 821 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: me in training with three to go bags with if 822 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: my dog doesn't eat this, put this on it, and 823 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: if it doesn't eat that, then you're gonna need to 824 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: put this on it. And I'm like no, because that 825 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: all that does is teach our dogs that the longer 826 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 1: I wait, the better things that come. 827 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 2: Yes, they know they'll wait, and they'll be like, if 828 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: I wait a whole two hours, I get cheese. If 829 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: I wait five hours, I get filet mignon. Yes, If 830 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 2: I wait twenty four, I'm getting wagoo beef. 831 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: Yes exactly. And I'm getting it hand fed to me 832 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: with a four on a silver platter, Yes exactly. So 833 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: it's just you know, I that is a big struggle 834 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: with people, is you know, if the feeding is my 835 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: dog is a picky eater, you're making your dog a 836 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: picky eater. Yeah. 837 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 2: I think so much we project on our pets, and 838 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is if they're hungry, they 839 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: will eat. So I really recommend two feedings a day, 840 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 2: unless otherwise directed. 841 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: By your vet. 842 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: If they're a puppy, that may be an exception, but 843 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: morning and night, lay that food bowl down, give them 844 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 2: ample amount of time to eat. 845 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: My dogs get about fifteen to twenty minutes. 846 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: If they don't finish their meal or they don't eat it, 847 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: we pick it up and wait till the next feeding time. 848 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, because I believe you know you can quote 849 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. As a veterinarian, I don't think 850 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: dogs will starve themselves. 851 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 2: It would be highly unlikely. I haven't encountered one yet, right, right, 852 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 2: I haven't met many. All right, awesome, Well, today's episode 853 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 2: was great. I really appreciate you coming on. 854 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It was a blast. 855 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 2: You're so welcome, And for all the listeners out there, 856 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: please rate, review, subscribe. You can click the link of 857 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: the show notes to leave us any questions that you 858 00:39:35,480 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 2: have and we'll see you next week. L