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Speaker 3: After Kevin Abel died and his death was ruled a suicide,
Speaker 3: Stacy Reeves was scared. Kevin's friend Jordan, said that Stacy
Speaker 3: told her that Kevin was in serious trouble, that he
Speaker 3: owed a lot of drug money to people, and that
Speaker 3: she was planning on talking to police officers about what
Speaker 3: she knew. One of the officers she spoke with was
Speaker 3: Jerome the Straps. She also told us she wasn't convinced
Speaker 3: that Kevin's death was a suicide.
Speaker 4: Think of the funniest person you know and that was Kevin,
Speaker 4: always smile and laugh and taking joking, that kind of person.
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden they killed himself, which happened.
Speaker 4: The reason I don't think it happened to Kevin wasn't
Speaker 4: just because of personality. I believe because of what Stacey
Speaker 4: told me. She said that Kevin had gotten some trouble
Speaker 4: behind drug money, owed someone drug lay.
Speaker 3: This immediately sent alarm bells off for Jordans, since she
Speaker 3: knew about Jerome, and Jordan said that she didn't trust him.
Speaker 3: Now there's no evidence that Jerome was straps did anything wrong,
Speaker 3: but police did later call him in for questioning about
Speaker 3: kk's corners, asking.
Speaker 1: What he knew and when he knew.
Speaker 3: We're trying to understand these relationships because in Calcushy Perish
Speaker 3: they run deep.
Speaker 4: She says, hey, do you know what Jerome was strapped?
Speaker 4: And I looked at her and I said, yes, I do.
Speaker 4: Why And she said because I've been talking to him
Speaker 4: about Kevin's case. And I said, Stacy, you don't need
Speaker 4: to do that. He's dirty. She said, well, I know
Speaker 4: who killed him, and I said who and she said,
Speaker 4: Richard McKelvin had him killed. And I grabbed my head,
Speaker 4: and I said, did you tell Jerome with strapsus? Jerome
Speaker 4: with Straps is a narcotics officer, so anyway, I told
Speaker 4: her my exact words, Tours, you need to go buy
Speaker 4: a gun and you need to keep it on you
Speaker 4: at all times because this isn't going to end good.
Speaker 4: I said, Call Jerome. Tell him that you were just
Speaker 4: listening to what other people were saying and you were
Speaker 4: believing it because you were grieving. And just tell him
Speaker 4: that you know you didn't know any of it to
Speaker 4: be true. I said, Stacey, please promise me. And that
Speaker 4: was it. That was the last words I said.
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend.
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Speaker 3: Gonpott this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line we've been covering
Speaker 3: The Kk's corner case for weeks And i've read every
Speaker 3: single article out there about the, case including a lot
Speaker 3: from the local, newspaper The American. Press i've seen THE id,
Speaker 3: special And i've Seen America's Most. Wanted in my, opinion
Speaker 3: there's a lot left out of these reports because after
Speaker 3: the initial rumors About Richard, mcalvin who was cleared by,
Speaker 3: police pretty much the only suspect ever mentioned in news
Speaker 3: reports is twenty nine year Old Tomas. Cisco we're finding
Speaker 3: out that even though it was late at night and
Speaker 3: the store was, closing there were more people coming Through
Speaker 3: Kyk's corner in the early morning hours Of july, sixth
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven than originally. Thought both before and after
Speaker 3: twenty one year Old Marty, lebuff twenty six year Old Stacy,
Speaker 3: reeves and.
Speaker 1: Fourteen year Old Nicole guildry were brutally.
Speaker 3: Murdered police had no clear suspects until after the episode
Speaker 3: Of America's Most wanted, aired and they became laser focused
Speaker 3: On Thomas. Cisco from what we, know they never found
Speaker 3: the other, man the one in the composite. Drawings Tomas
Speaker 3: cisco was convicted of all three, murders but following an,
Speaker 3: appeal which he, won he got a new. Trial after a,
Speaker 3: deal he pleaded guilty to three counts of manslaughter and
Speaker 3: was sentenced to ninety years in. Prison he's up for
Speaker 3: parole this. Year because the second killer was never, caught
Speaker 3: most of the case file is still. Unavailable we did
Speaker 3: get some responses to our foyer. Requests we don't have
Speaker 3: the entire court transcripts because we were told that the
Speaker 3: would cost around thirteen hundred, dollars but we do have
Speaker 3: a few, elements including the closing arguments from both sides
Speaker 3: and through civil depositions that were given to us by family.
Speaker 3: Members we've been trying to piece together the police. Investigation
Speaker 3: it turns out there were several suspects who were questioned by.
Speaker 3: Police what happened to them and could one of them
Speaker 3: have been the second? Killer and what happened to the
Speaker 3: physical evidence the hares found on the bodies and the
Speaker 3: cigarette that was found in the. Cooler as we said last,
Speaker 3: week one of the things that it seemed like everyone
Speaker 3: agreed on was the fact That kk's corner seemed like
Speaker 3: an inside. Job there were a lot of other people
Speaker 3: who were interviewed by. Police one of the things that
Speaker 3: police did logically was asked the store's, Owner Kenny, klain
Speaker 3: about any disgruntled employees or anyone with a reason to
Speaker 3: be angry at him or the. Store one was a
Speaker 3: former employee Named Nathaniel. Gobert according to court, docu he
Speaker 3: was caught stealing money from the store a few weeks.
Speaker 3: Earlier he told police when they questioned, him he admitted
Speaker 3: to stealing three hundred and fifty eight dollars from the.
Speaker 3: Store buddy said That kenny had given him two weeks
Speaker 3: to pay the money.
Speaker 1: Back he, did And kenny dropped the.
Speaker 3: Charges nathaniel told police that he was banned from the
Speaker 3: store and had not been back in since his. Firing
Speaker 3: police Asked nathaniel where he was on the night of the.
Speaker 3: Killings he said that he was with friends eating pizza
Speaker 3: on the evening Of july. Fifth police apparently verified his
Speaker 3: alibi And nathaniel passed a polygraph. Test Huey, lyttleton the
Speaker 3: insurance investigator who had done his own investigations in The
Speaker 3: ellender murders also called people to interview them About Kk's
Speaker 3: corner And Hughey lyttleton presented evidence to police, later including
Speaker 3: a videotaped interview with a friend Of nathaniel's who claimed
Speaker 3: That nathaniel had talked about committing the murders for money
Speaker 3: and said that he didn't Like. Stacy according to court,
Speaker 3: documents the VC f did talk to these. Friends nathaniel
Speaker 3: had an, alibi and apparently police decided that was the
Speaker 3: end of.
Speaker 1: That it seemed to be another strange dead.
Speaker 3: End Evelyn ubray mentioned in her closing arguments that law
Speaker 3: enforcement believed that the killer was someone with intimate knowledge
Speaker 3: of the store for several. Reasons one the fact that
Speaker 3: the killer had cut the phone. Lines, also the killer
Speaker 3: appeared to Know stacey And marty and apparently knew what
Speaker 3: time the store. Closed they knew about the video. Surveillance
Speaker 3: they knew that the money would be in the. Safe,
Speaker 3: also they were able to rob the store right before
Speaker 3: the alarm company would be alerted at one. Am the
Speaker 3: window when the murder happened is actually pretty. Small according
Speaker 3: to information that came out in, Court THE fbi stated
Speaker 3: that kk's corner was one of the most heavily trafficked
Speaker 3: convenience stores in that. Region there were people coming and
Speaker 3: going from the store all. Night one of the store,
Speaker 3: Managers Sherwood, carpenter told police he called the store at
Speaker 3: about eleven thirty. Pm he said he was chatting To
Speaker 3: stacy from then until around eleven forty. Three that's When
Speaker 3: stacy told him she needed to hang at the phone
Speaker 3: and finish mopping the. Floors, now during this, time witnesses
Speaker 3: did see people in the.
Speaker 1: Store marty was working at the.
Speaker 3: Counter then just a few minutes after, That Virginia johnson
Speaker 3: stopped by at around eleven forty FIVE pm to get.
Speaker 3: Gas Sherwood carpenter called again at twelve oh six, am
Speaker 3: but no one. Answered, now that was inside the, store
Speaker 3: but the parking lot outside the store also had its
Speaker 3: own group of, regulars even after the store closed at.
Speaker 3: Midnight remember That Virginia johnson and her boyfriend drove By
Speaker 3: kk's again at around twelve thirty. Am they saw the
Speaker 3: red truck with the passenger door open and the black
Speaker 3: car with the trunk open still parked at the same
Speaker 3: spot Where virginia had noticed them. Earlier by the side
Speaker 3: entrance of the. Store minutes after, that there was another
Speaker 3: guy who was a friend Of. Marty's he worked At
Speaker 3: Little Caesar's. Pizza he drove by at around twelve thirty five.
Speaker 3: Am he Noticed marty And stacy's cars there and thought
Speaker 3: that was a little bit, odd but figured maybe they
Speaker 3: were just closing up later. Something but this person told
Speaker 3: police he did not notice a red truck or a black.
Speaker 3: Car there were also some men who showed up every
Speaker 3: night for their paper. Route the local, newspaper The Late
Speaker 3: Charles American, press had a van that would arrive in
Speaker 3: the early morning hours to drop papers with the delivery.
Speaker 3: Men those men would wait in the kk's parking lot
Speaker 3: for that van and then hang out and usually fold
Speaker 3: their papers there before starting out on their. Route, now
Speaker 3: one of those paper delivery, Guys Jerry, peters told police
Speaker 3: that he was waiting to pick up his papers At
Speaker 3: kk's between one p fifteen and one thirty. Am he
Speaker 3: was parked across the street at The Fairview estates trailer,
Speaker 3: park and while he was, there he said that he
Speaker 3: saw an Unmarked Share department vehicle also pull into The
Speaker 3: Fairview estate's trailer. Park Then jerry said he saw a
Speaker 3: white male get out of a Green Eagle, talon A
Speaker 3: s forty car with a hatchback that was made By
Speaker 3: chrysler And. Mitsubishi jerry said that he saw the man
Speaker 3: go over to The Sheriff's department vehicle and then go
Speaker 3: back to his own car as the police car pulled
Speaker 3: in behind. Him the guy in the police car got
Speaker 3: out opened his. Trunk jerry said that he thought the
Speaker 3: other guy in The talon also opened his. Trunk he
Speaker 3: said they talked, briefly and Then jerry saw that the
Speaker 3: guy with The talon slammed his. Trunk In jerry's, words
Speaker 3: that man looked visibly. Upset then he got back in
Speaker 3: his car and drove, off almost backing into the police
Speaker 3: car in the. Process then both cars turned north On
Speaker 3: highway fourteen and. Disappeared the man in the Unmarked Sheriff's
Speaker 3: department vehicle has never been. Identified what was he doing?
Speaker 3: There could he have had something to do with the
Speaker 3: killings At kk's corner or could he have known what
Speaker 3: was going down that. Night in closing, Arguments Thomas cisco's,
Speaker 3: Lawyer evelyn New bray mentioned another potential Suspect Miles. Addison
Speaker 3: she pointed out That Miles addison knew the workings of the,
Speaker 3: store the surveillance, videos the, videotape That Miles addison Knew
Speaker 3: marty And, stacey and that he knew the store. Procedures
Speaker 3: at closing, Time evelyn U bray also Mentioned richard mcelvin
Speaker 3: and another suspect that the police had. Suggested at one
Speaker 3: point she noticed those men's similarities to the composite.
Speaker 1: Photo evelyn New bray.
Speaker 3: Said that none of these potential suspects had any connection
Speaker 3: To Thomas, cisco THOUGH i will point out one possible
Speaker 3: connection is the fact that they all did Know Stacy.
Speaker 3: Reeves evelyn also highlighted problems With Thomas cisco's. Confessions she
Speaker 3: questioned Whether Thomas cisco was really giving information to the
Speaker 3: police that only the killer would have, known or just
Speaker 3: repeating information that he could have gotten from Watching America's Most.
Speaker 3: Wanted we know That Virginia johnson was driving her boyfriend's
Speaker 3: black pickup truck that. Night Thomas cisco told police he
Speaker 3: saw the witness pull up in a turquoise. Car now
Speaker 3: in her closing, Statement evelyn New bray pointed out that
Speaker 3: The America's Most wanted re enactment showed the perpetrator pulling
Speaker 3: up in a blue, car And Thomas cisco said in
Speaker 3: every version of his story that the witness was, white
Speaker 3: While Virginia johnson is black And Tomas cisco wasn't the
Speaker 3: only person whose memory and Testimony evelyn called. Out under,
Speaker 3: Hypnosis Virginia johnson talked about the second man she. Saw
Speaker 3: she said that that second man had a rabbit head.
Speaker 3: Keychain the rabbit head did not become a rabbit foot until.
Speaker 3: Later we've talked about this. Before evelya and New bray
Speaker 3: wondered in court whether it could have been a playboy
Speaker 3: bunny symbol those were everywhere in the, nineties or something.
Speaker 3: Else how did investigators get the change from rabbit's head
Speaker 3: to rabbit's. Foot, Also Virginia johnson mentioned seeing the.
Speaker 1: Hair on the arms of the.
Speaker 3: Witness Tomas cisco has several tattoos on his, arm including a,
Speaker 3: dragon Yet Virginia johnson never mentioned a tattoo until the,
Speaker 3: lineup when she said that she remembered the second, man
Speaker 3: the one she hadn't seen that clearly had tattoos on his.
Speaker 3: Hands Virginia johnson said the, Victim Nicole, guidry had hair
Speaker 3: that was long in a, ponytail when in, Reality nicole's
Speaker 3: hair was four inches.
Speaker 1: Long but in The America's Most.
Speaker 3: Wanted, episode the re enactment actor Playing nicole had, long
Speaker 3: dark hair in a. Ponytail same story With Stacy reeve's.
Speaker 3: Outfit stacy was wearing an orange shirt and orange. Shorts
Speaker 3: virginia said the shirt was lime green and That stacy
Speaker 3: was wearing blue jean shorts that went down to her. Knees,
Speaker 3: again that's what the actress Playing stacy wore on THE tv. Show,
Speaker 3: basically the defense called into question Whether Virginia johnson actually
Speaker 3: remembered what she thought she, remembered or whether it could
Speaker 3: have been something she saw ON tv or something that
Speaker 3: was suggested to, her even totally unintentionally by police or
Speaker 3: by other. People we found out that there were a
Speaker 3: lot of inconsistencies In Virginia johnson's. Story in her closing,
Speaker 3: Arguments evelyne New bray talked about what she claimed were
Speaker 3: flaws in the witness. Identification we mentioned in earlier episodes
Speaker 3: that a lot of people in town talked about how
Speaker 3: the composite photo looked similar To Richard. Mcalvin but it
Speaker 3: turns Out Richard mcalvin was not the only person with
Speaker 3: a resemblance to that. Photo evelyn New bray said the
Speaker 3: photo resembled other, people including former Kk's corner Employee Miles
Speaker 3: adison and another. Man she showed those photos and the
Speaker 3: composite drawings side by side in that. Courtroom, meanwhile she
Speaker 3: said there were no composite drawings that Resembled Tomas. Cisco
Speaker 3: in closing, arguments she taught talked about the difference between
Speaker 3: direct evidence like a, witness an indirect or circumstantial. Evidence
Speaker 3: to illustrate, that she gave the example of someone seeing
Speaker 3: a person come in with a, gun then hearing a,
Speaker 3: shot and seeing that.
Speaker 1: Person flee the. Scene that would be indirect.
Speaker 3: Evidence she said that the case Against Thomas cisco was
Speaker 3: entirely circumstantial and the jury was instructed they could not
Speaker 3: convict a defendant based on circumstantial evidence unless quote the
Speaker 3: facts proved by the evidence exclude every reasonable hypothesis of
Speaker 3: innocence end. Quote there was no physical, evidence no scientific,
Speaker 3: evidence and no direct evidence Against Tomas. Cisco evely And
Speaker 3: wbray also talked about common. Sense she said that this
Speaker 3: crime did not make sense from a common sense point
Speaker 3: of view. Either she asked a question that a lot
Speaker 3: of people have, asked why would someone drive all the
Speaker 3: way From New orleans to Rob Kk's, corner one of
Speaker 3: the most highly trafficked convenience stores in that.
Speaker 1: Area she asked the jury to.
Speaker 3: Consider how someone Of Thomas, cisco's as she called, it limited,
Speaker 3: intelligence who according to his medical, records had, blackouts and
Speaker 3: who did, drugs and who, was according to his own
Speaker 3: testimony a lot of the time blacked out on drugs
Speaker 3: during this time. Period how someone like that could have
Speaker 3: planned a crime that involved intimate knowledge of the store
Speaker 3: and left no evidence. Behind Evelyn ubray told the jury
Speaker 3: That Thomas cisco would not have had the knowledge of
Speaker 3: the store's security systems or the knowledge of how to
Speaker 3: cut those phone. Lines and she said none of the
Speaker 3: suspects or potential people of interest that the police had
Speaker 3: questioned or even, considered had any connection To Thomas. Cisco
Speaker 3: the prosecuting, Attorney Rick bryant. Countered he, Said Thomas cisco
Speaker 3: was not, naive he was not, dumb he was extremely street,
Speaker 3: smart and he absolutely could have had a role in
Speaker 3: the murders And Rick bryant asked Why Virginia, johnson the,
Speaker 3: witness would have any reason to. Lie Evelyn ubray said
Speaker 3: she might not have intentionedly, lied but that memory is
Speaker 3: like a tape.
Speaker 1: Recorder things can be.
Speaker 3: Distorted even if people think their recall is, perfect they
Speaker 3: could be dead. Wrong she also talked about the fact
Speaker 3: that many of the details of the WITNESS id did
Speaker 3: not come out until months after the, murder When Virginia
Speaker 3: johnson was. Hypnotized so let's talk about this hypnosis for a.
Speaker 3: Minute we did some. Digging we found out the hypnosis
Speaker 3: was done by a forensic psychologist named Doctor Michael. Gallis
Speaker 3: now Doctor gallis is very well. Known he was the
Speaker 3: chief forensic psychologist for The Naval Criminal Investigative services in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two when he and some of his
Speaker 3: colleagues found out The navy was using unauthorized interrogation techniques
Speaker 3: on one of the suspected hijackers from nine to. Eleven
Speaker 3: they claimed that Hijacker mohammad Al catani had been deprived
Speaker 3: of sleep for twenty eight. Days Doctor gallis was praised
Speaker 3: for blowing the whistle about these illegal interrogations that were
Speaker 3: happening In Guantanamo, bay but his career has also had
Speaker 3: its share of. Controversy in nineteen ninety, nine Doctor gellis
Speaker 3: interviewed A naval Officer Petty, Officer Daniel. Kane daniel had
Speaker 3: been stationed In. Guam he was supposed to start a
Speaker 3: new assignment with THE. Nsa before he accepted that, position
Speaker 3: he apparently had to take a routine polygraph.
Speaker 1: Test the test was.
Speaker 3: Inconclusive daniel ended up being charged with providing classified information
Speaker 3: ABOUT us submarine intelligence programs To. Russia SO ncis agents
Speaker 3: started Interrogating. Daniel they detained, him which they were allowed to,
Speaker 3: do and the questioning sessions lasted.
Speaker 1: Between twelve and nineteen.
Speaker 3: Hours they did this for twenty nine, days and When
Speaker 3: daniel asked for a, lawyer they ignored. Him daniel started
Speaker 3: to lose touch with. Reality he told his interrogators that
Speaker 3: he was depressed in. Suicidal after about three weeks of,
Speaker 3: this he told the agents holding him he wanted to
Speaker 3: see a, psychiatrist so that's when they brought in Doctor.
Speaker 3: Gellis daniel told Doctor galllis that he couldn't remember committing,
Speaker 3: espionage but said Doctor gallis told him the polygraph examination
Speaker 3: proved he must have done. Something this obviously wasn't. True
Speaker 3: daniel was also told that he had failed the polygraph
Speaker 3: test that also wasn't. True the results were. Inconclusive according
Speaker 3: to a later, Complaint daniel became extremely distraught during this.
Speaker 3: Questioning he grabbed a knife and tried to stab himself
Speaker 3: in the. Stomach After Daniel king was eventually, released his
Speaker 3: attorney filed an ethics complaint against Doctor gallis with THE,
Speaker 3: apa but it was not, accepted and the controversy over
Speaker 3: Doctor gallis and over Those guantanamo interrogations continues to this.
Speaker 3: Day all of this went down just two years after
Speaker 3: the murders at Kk's. Corner i'm telling this story to
Speaker 3: illustrate that hypnosis is not some kind of magic.
Speaker 1: Bullet it's.
Speaker 3: Controversial the success of any interrogation relies heavily on the,
Speaker 3: interrogators and we know that there were many different versions
Speaker 3: Of Thomas cisco's story, told and many different versions Of Virginia.
Speaker 3: Johnson's during the Kk's corner, trial Doctor gellis testified about the.
Speaker 3: Hypnosis he said hypnosis was quote nothing more than a
Speaker 3: form of relaxation end. Quote he said there is no
Speaker 3: research to show that information obtained under hypnosis is. Accurate he,
Speaker 3: explained the only way to know for sure was to
Speaker 3: independently corroborate that. Information but in the Kk's corner, case
Speaker 3: corroborating the evidence was difficult, because as we have been
Speaker 3: told over and, over there was no physical. Evidence but
Speaker 3: it turned out that wasn't quite. True according to THE fbi,
Speaker 3: report Numerous caucasian hairs were found on the, bodies but
Speaker 3: none of those hairs were a match For Thomas. Cisco
Speaker 3: blood samples were taken from the crime. Scene none of
Speaker 3: the blood samples Matched Thomas, cisco and there were only
Speaker 3: four latent prints taken from the entire crime, scene but
Speaker 3: none of those prints were A machi. Either THE fbi
Speaker 3: report also mentioned there were other fibers at the crime,
Speaker 3: scene blue green and red carpet type. Fibers those fibers
Speaker 3: were taken off all of the. Victims investigators never found
Speaker 3: a match to those. Fibers Evelyn ubray stated in court
Speaker 3: That Tomas cisco was a chainsmoker and that there was
Speaker 3: a cigarette butt found on the floor of the, cooler
Speaker 3: but there was no record of that cigarette ever being
Speaker 3: processed FOR. Dna she asked why law enforcement did not
Speaker 3: test a cigarette that could have been linked to the.
Speaker 1: Killer we asked about the.
Speaker 3: Evidence we wanted to know whether it could be retested,
Speaker 3: today but we're still not sure of the. Status we
Speaker 3: don't know if the evidence still exists or what condition it's.
Speaker 3: In Lame lebuff believes that it burned in a, fire
Speaker 3: but we don't have confirmation of. That if it does
Speaker 3: exist and if they still have, it could it be
Speaker 3: retested and could that testing lead to another. Suspect At
Speaker 3: Thomas sisko's, trial his defense Attorney evelyn U bray was
Speaker 3: trying to focus the jury on alternative, suspects and a
Speaker 3: lot of people wondered if this case could be connected
Speaker 3: to drug deals that had been going down At Kk's.
Speaker 3: Corner you may remember from last week that the owner
Speaker 3: of the store at the, Time Kenny, klein said that
Speaker 3: about a year before the, murders an employee came to
Speaker 3: him and told him that several, employees Including Marty lebuff
Speaker 3: And Nathaniel, gobert were dealing drugs At Kk's. Corner police
Speaker 3: talked to the, Employee Stephen. Viator he said that when
Speaker 3: he Told kenny about the alleged drug. Dealing kenny told
Speaker 3: him that he should mind his own, business And stephen
Speaker 3: said his hours were cut from forty hours a week
Speaker 3: down to just a few soon, afterwards But kenny did
Speaker 3: tell law enforcement about his employee's. Suspicions and then two,
Speaker 3: Officers jerome With straps And jason, mcwright came by to
Speaker 3: try to do some undercover. Buys kenny said police told
Speaker 3: told him that the undercover buyers had. Failed they were
Speaker 3: unable to buy drugs at the, store so life went
Speaker 3: on at kk's. Corner after the, murders police talked to
Speaker 3: more than one person who said That marty was dealing
Speaker 3: marijuana out of kk's, corner and we know From miles
Speaker 3: addison statements to police that he was dealing drugs, too including,
Speaker 3: COCAINE lsd and pot out of the. Store according to police,
Speaker 3: Documents stacey had talked to two officers in the weeks
Speaker 3: before the murders about drug dealing in kk's. Corner one
Speaker 3: of them Was jerome With. Straps Detective deluge knew That
Speaker 3: jerome Was straps worked narcotics for THE Calcashu Paris Sheriff's,
Speaker 3: department so he contacted the chief Of detectives There John.
Speaker 3: Fryar he asked If stacy had been a confidential informant for.
Speaker 3: Anyone John fryar, said to his, Knowledge stacy never provided
Speaker 3: intel to any of his. Officers but, later according to court,
Speaker 3: Documents jerome With straps said he had talked To stacy
Speaker 3: about working under co with The sheriff's. Office he said
Speaker 3: she told him about people dealing Kevin abel drugs and
Speaker 3: her suspicion That kevin's death was not a. Homicide according
Speaker 3: to a statement made By jerome With, straps he Advised
Speaker 3: stacy that with two young, daughters undercover work might be
Speaker 3: dangerous for. Her he said he told her that if
Speaker 3: she had information About kevin's, death she should contact the
Speaker 3: investigator in charge of that. Case In february of nineteen ninety,
Speaker 3: nine the attorney working on a civil lawsuit Contacted jerome With.
Speaker 3: Straps he confirmed police did send an undercover officer in
Speaker 3: to make a buy AT. KKs they said that none
Speaker 3: of the employees suspected of selling drugs were on duty
Speaker 3: at that time and that.
Speaker 1: That's why it didn't.
Speaker 3: Work he said they hung around outside the store for
Speaker 3: a few nights and didn't see any evidence of drug,
Speaker 3: dealing so they suspended the. Operation, Now jerome With straps
Speaker 3: had a second. Job he worked security three nights a
Speaker 3: week at The kettle restaurant from twelve am to six.
Speaker 3: Am erome Said stacy would sometimes come into the restaurant
Speaker 3: and talk to. Him she would talk to him About
Speaker 3: kevin's drug dealing and her fears For kevin's life and
Speaker 3: later for her. Life jerome Said stacy talked to him
Speaker 3: three or four times Before kevin's death and two to
Speaker 3: three times. Afterward in the weeks before she was, Murdered
Speaker 3: jerome Was strapped said in the early morning hours Of july,
Speaker 3: six he was on his way to work at The.
Speaker 3: Kettle he said he was running, late and he drove
Speaker 3: through the kk's.
Speaker 1: Corner parking lot at twelve twenty two.
Speaker 3: Am he said at that point he noticed the store
Speaker 3: looked well, lit like it was open for. Business he
Speaker 3: said he remembered thinking that was slightly, unusual but thought
Speaker 3: maybe they were staying late because it was a holiday.
Speaker 3: Weekend So jerome Was straps was asked why he waited
Speaker 3: so long to reveal that he had been in that parking.
Speaker 3: Lot he said he didn't really have an answer for
Speaker 3: why he had not reported this information to police. Before
Speaker 3: he said he thought he might have Told Deputy deluche
Speaker 3: about him being in that parking lot at the crucial,
Speaker 3: time right around when the murders, happened but that he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Sure Sheila thigpen was one Of stacy's best. Friends she
Speaker 3: stated during a deposition That kevin owed a lot of
Speaker 3: money to, someone possibly as much as five thousand. Dollars
Speaker 3: those weren't his only, Debts sheila Said stacy told her
Speaker 3: That kevin owed nine to ten thousand dollars to some
Speaker 3: other people and that, quote if he didn't get the
Speaker 3: money to this guy, soon he was going to be
Speaker 3: killed end. Quote she Called kevin, paranoid but LIKE i often,
Speaker 3: say paranoid people aren't always. Wrong to get the money
Speaker 3: to pay his, Dealers kevin would write a check to kk's,
Speaker 3: Corner stacey would cash, it And kevin would give the
Speaker 3: drug dealers. Cash stacy believed that someone was following her
Speaker 3: in the last weeks of her.
Speaker 1: Life according To, sheila the people she.
Speaker 3: Was meeting, with a man Named brian and another man
Speaker 3: Named Officer, sweeney were talking to her about her suspicions
Speaker 3: About kevin's. Death sheila, said, Quote stacey was seeing a
Speaker 3: man Named brian because she said she had some evidence
Speaker 3: to pinpoint that it Wasn't kevin's. Handwriting she was going
Speaker 3: to get the letter Through, brian and then she met
Speaker 3: a guy Named Officer sweeney at The kettle one. Night
Speaker 3: she said they were going to help her prove That
Speaker 3: kevin didn't commit.
Speaker 1: Suicide end.
Speaker 3: Quote sheila said she was With stacy one night When
Speaker 3: stacy met With Officer sweeney at The kettle restaurant Where
Speaker 3: jerome was straps and other officers work second. Jobs she
Speaker 3: Said stacy went to the back of The kettle by
Speaker 3: the poker machines and talked To Officer. Sweeney the police
Speaker 3: said they couldn't Find Officer, sweeney BUT i did find
Speaker 3: information about An Officer sweeney who was working for The
Speaker 3: Lake Charles Police department at the. Time i'm trying to
Speaker 3: contact him to see if he is the same officer
Speaker 3: Who sheila saw meeting With. Stacy sheila said That stacy
Speaker 3: told Her Miles addison was dealing marijuana out of the
Speaker 3: store and That stacey bought weed from. Him she said
Speaker 3: she personally Witness stacy filling out a, check Signing kevin's
Speaker 3: name to it and collecting the money from Kk's sheila
Speaker 3: also Said stacy talked to her about people with drug
Speaker 3: code Names, Ice, robo and Kool, aid but she said
Speaker 3: she wasn't sure who any of these people. Were we've
Speaker 3: had several people revealed to us who they believed to
Speaker 3: be the identity Of. Ice were working to verify, it
Speaker 3: But i'm not gonna. Lie it's hard to verify anything
Speaker 3: because a lot of people who were potential witnesses have
Speaker 3: died or left the, saint and the ones who were
Speaker 3: left behind are. Scared Tracy, reeves one Of Stacy reeves's twin,
Speaker 3: daughters died in twenty twenty. One Chad, reeves the sole
Speaker 3: witness To Kevin abel's, death has also passed. Away according
Speaker 3: to The Lake Charles, Police chad was living with his,
Speaker 3: aunt sixty eight year Old Mary Jane. CASEY a family
Speaker 3: member got concerned On july, seventeenth twenty, nineteen when they
Speaker 3: couldn't reach Either chad Or Mary, jane so they called
Speaker 3: for a welfare check at their. Home when officers arrived
Speaker 3: at the, scene they found the bodies Of Mary jane And. Chad,
Speaker 3: later a spokesperson for The Late Charles Police department said
Speaker 3: they believe the night before the welfare, Check chad shot
Speaker 3: his aunt with a shotgun and then turned the gun on.
Speaker 3: Himself the killings were ruled a murder, suicide and the
Speaker 3: city attorney.
Speaker 1: Told a local news station the case had been.
Speaker 3: Closed as we said last, Week Thomas cisco was sentenced
Speaker 3: to ninety years in. Prison his parole was rescinded in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, three and he is still incarcerated In, Angola.
Speaker 3: Louisiana according to the latest INFORMATION i can, find he's
Speaker 3: next eligible for parole this. Year in twenty twenty, FIVE
Speaker 3: i Wrote Thomas cisco a letter AND i have been
Speaker 3: in contact with his, sister so IF i am able
Speaker 3: to talk to, HIM i will keep you all. Updated
Speaker 3: The Violent Crimes Task force Of Calkashi perish was disbanded
Speaker 3: three years after The Kk's corner murders in two. Thousand
Speaker 3: that was the same year That Deputy, deluge who headed
Speaker 3: up the, investigation moved. On in two, thousand he became
Speaker 3: the chief of police In, Jennings, louisiana a town about
Speaker 3: thirty seven miles east down the It. In while working In,
Speaker 3: Jennings Deputy deluge faced a sexual harassment. Scandal according to
Speaker 3: the Book murder in The, bayou he was accused of
Speaker 3: forcing a female employee to make a video of herself
Speaker 3: getting her nipple, piers and then of showing that video
Speaker 3: to work. Colleagues in two thousand and, Three Deputy deluche
Speaker 3: resigned from The Jennings Police. Department he later reportedly worked
Speaker 3: for another police. Department Sheriff Wayne mcalvin is now in
Speaker 3: his mid. Eighties we have been told he is not
Speaker 3: in good. Health his, Son Richard, mcalvin is a chiropractor In.
Speaker 3: Louisiana according to the latest online RECORDS i can, find
Speaker 3: it seems as Though Miles addison has moved away from
Speaker 3: The Lake charles. Area he had a criminal, record including
Speaker 3: some drug, charges but was pardoned by the governor in twenty.
Speaker 3: Sixteen David, freeman the drug dealer Who kevin able owed money,
Speaker 3: to was arrested in connection With kevin's, death but later.
Speaker 3: Released he appears to be currently incarcerated In. Louisiana Laine,
Speaker 3: Lebuff marty's, brother continues to fight for. Answers he posts
Speaker 3: regularly on The facebook page Remembering Kk's.
Speaker 1: Corner twenty five years, later the former.
Speaker 3: Owner Of, Kk's Kenny, klin told us that for, him
Speaker 3: the murders changed, everything and it seems like for a
Speaker 3: lot of people in this, case the events of their
Speaker 3: entire lives can be divided into two, parts before the
Speaker 3: murders At Kk's corner and everything after a few weeks
Speaker 3: after the, Murders Kenny klin sold the. Store he told
Speaker 3: us he started a long care, business and he said
Speaker 3: he's never looked.
Speaker 5: Back when you're in the middle of, it LIKE i,
Speaker 5: am you hear so much you start, Thinking, okay is
Speaker 5: this tied? Together that tied? Together and this is just
Speaker 5: very personal for me BECAUSE i like to watch this
Speaker 5: crime stuff ON. TV i kind of believe in conspiracy,
Speaker 5: theories you know that kind of. Crap certainly doesn't surprise
Speaker 5: me if it's something like. That but there, AGAIN i
Speaker 5: can't prove. IT i can't prove, It and AGAIN i
Speaker 5: don't want to jump out there and accuse someone BECAUSE i,
Speaker 5: mean you, KNOW i used to have to come home
Speaker 5: and my wife KNOW i heard somebody in the grocery
Speaker 5: store saying that you, know you knew they were selling
Speaker 5: drugs and you were getting a cut of it and
Speaker 5: you know all that kind of, crap And i'm, like,
Speaker 5: well you know, what sweet. Are we got out of
Speaker 5: the store BECAUSE i just couldn't stand to go back in,
Speaker 5: there AND i opened up lawn service and started cutting
Speaker 5: grass in a hundred degree. HEAT i, REALLY i just
Speaker 5: want to tell, you from the bottom of my, HEART
Speaker 5: i appreciate what y'all were. Doing there's two THINGS i
Speaker 5: want to know BEFORE i. Die number one is exactly
Speaker 5: what happened To Kk's. Corner number two is who really
Speaker 5: Killed JOHN. F. Kennedy so if y'all configure that that
Speaker 5: first one, Out i'd be very very appreciative For i'd
Speaker 5: go to my. Grave i'm sixty three years. OLD i
Speaker 5: sure like to know BEFORE i.
Speaker 3: Deserve law enforcements say they are still actively investigating The
Speaker 3: Kk's corner murders because the second killer was never. Caught
Speaker 3: police have asked anyone who has information about the killings
Speaker 3: to contact The Calcashue Parish sheriff's office at three three
Speaker 3: seven four nine one three six, five or they can
Speaker 3: call Crime stoppers anonymously at three three seven four three
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