1 00:00:04,835 --> 00:00:22,075 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio Now. 2 00:00:22,755 --> 00:00:26,475 Speaker 1: As Andrew Lawrence of Media Matters put it perfectly, the 3 00:00:26,555 --> 00:00:31,115 Speaker 1: woke mob is coming after Hitler. The day after General 4 00:00:31,195 --> 00:00:34,715 Speaker 1: John Kelly's confirmation to The Atlantic that Trump personally said 5 00:00:34,835 --> 00:00:39,115 Speaker 1: to him that he wanted generals like Hitler's generals, no 6 00:00:39,315 --> 00:00:43,555 Speaker 1: Republican condemned Trump, and several, like Governor Son who knew 7 00:00:43,555 --> 00:00:47,115 Speaker 1: of New Hampshire, defended Trump in the same matter of 8 00:00:47,115 --> 00:00:51,195 Speaker 1: fact condescending way the Germans and some Americans dismissed and 9 00:00:51,235 --> 00:00:55,515 Speaker 1: defended Hitler literally a century ago. Well, he didn't really 10 00:00:55,515 --> 00:00:58,195 Speaker 1: say it, and even if he did, he didn't really 11 00:00:58,235 --> 00:01:00,355 Speaker 1: mean it. And even if he meant it, he really 12 00:01:00,395 --> 00:01:02,595 Speaker 1: wouldn't try it, And even if he tried it, he 13 00:01:02,635 --> 00:01:07,195 Speaker 1: really wouldn't get away with it. General Kelly needs to 14 00:01:07,355 --> 00:01:12,035 Speaker 1: now hold a news conference, an open event, national Press 15 00:01:12,075 --> 00:01:14,835 Speaker 1: Club in DC or wherever he can get a place 16 00:01:15,035 --> 00:01:19,155 Speaker 1: cheap and lay it all out on the record in 17 00:01:19,155 --> 00:01:21,715 Speaker 1: front of the cameras and the microphones for an hour 18 00:01:21,875 --> 00:01:25,235 Speaker 1: or ninety minutes longer if he can get others from 19 00:01:25,275 --> 00:01:28,915 Speaker 1: the Trump Reign of terror and error to join him there, 20 00:01:29,635 --> 00:01:33,435 Speaker 1: And that is a possibility others. Selena Wong of ABC 21 00:01:33,595 --> 00:01:37,155 Speaker 1: is quoting the former national security official Olivia Troy, who 22 00:01:37,235 --> 00:01:40,315 Speaker 1: told her military leaders who have served in the Trump 23 00:01:40,315 --> 00:01:43,995 Speaker 1: administration are weighing the following on whether to go on 24 00:01:44,075 --> 00:01:47,755 Speaker 1: the record against Trump. Is it hurtful or helpful to 25 00:01:47,835 --> 00:01:52,595 Speaker 1: the military, and does it politicize them even more? Troy 26 00:01:52,715 --> 00:01:56,675 Speaker 1: also says these military leaders are naturally enough calculating the 27 00:01:56,755 --> 00:02:01,475 Speaker 1: human equation. What risk does saying something put them at? 28 00:02:01,675 --> 00:02:04,595 Speaker 1: What risk does it put their families at? And how 29 00:02:04,675 --> 00:02:11,475 Speaker 1: how much exponentially higher does that risk become if Trump wins. Anyway, 30 00:02:12,835 --> 00:02:16,235 Speaker 1: no offense meant with this. We may have been fetishizing 31 00:02:16,395 --> 00:02:18,635 Speaker 1: the military since nine to eleven, but no one will 32 00:02:18,675 --> 00:02:21,915 Speaker 1: deny that its people have a different kind of courage 33 00:02:21,955 --> 00:02:24,675 Speaker 1: than the rest of us do, and as a baseline 34 00:02:25,035 --> 00:02:29,235 Speaker 1: it is indelibly admirable. But the nation has never been 35 00:02:29,275 --> 00:02:33,515 Speaker 1: at greater risk than it is right now, never including 36 00:02:33,595 --> 00:02:36,955 Speaker 1: the Civil War. And that is even clearer if we 37 00:02:36,995 --> 00:02:40,795 Speaker 1: are just talking about the military, because if Trump now wins, 38 00:02:41,155 --> 00:02:44,955 Speaker 1: the military ceases to be what it has been since 39 00:02:45,075 --> 00:02:50,555 Speaker 1: June fourteenth, seventeen seventy five, when the Continental Army was founded. 40 00:02:51,755 --> 00:02:55,275 Speaker 1: It was founded as a force to defend this land 41 00:02:55,795 --> 00:03:00,795 Speaker 1: and its people and its freedoms from tyranny, not to 42 00:03:00,875 --> 00:03:04,275 Speaker 1: become an instrument by which a scumbag like Trump and 43 00:03:04,275 --> 00:03:08,355 Speaker 1: the whole of little scumbags around him can enforce tyranny 44 00:03:08,715 --> 00:03:13,235 Speaker 1: against America and Americans. That is the choice, General, a 45 00:03:13,395 --> 00:03:19,395 Speaker 1: free America more or less, or an absolute dictatorship where you, sir, 46 00:03:19,915 --> 00:03:29,115 Speaker 1: are expected to shoot Trump's American critics. Period. The more 47 00:03:29,155 --> 00:03:31,835 Speaker 1: stars on a military man or woman's shoulders, the more 48 00:03:31,875 --> 00:03:34,995 Speaker 1: you hear them talk about the privilege and responsibility of 49 00:03:35,075 --> 00:03:39,075 Speaker 1: serving and defending this nation. Well, the price of the 50 00:03:39,115 --> 00:03:43,275 Speaker 1: responsibility part has just come due. General Kelly, you had 51 00:03:43,315 --> 00:03:45,675 Speaker 1: the guts to tell the Trump Hitler story on the 52 00:03:45,755 --> 00:03:50,635 Speaker 1: record finally, and the fascism part on audio finally, and 53 00:03:50,755 --> 00:03:54,715 Speaker 1: the Republicans like Chris Sinunu dismissed it and you as 54 00:03:54,755 --> 00:03:59,035 Speaker 1: part of a political campaign and ultraliberalism. And Sinunu explained 55 00:03:59,075 --> 00:04:01,315 Speaker 1: that we've all heard a lot of extreme things about 56 00:04:01,355 --> 00:04:04,195 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and a lot of extreme things from Donald Trump, 57 00:04:04,195 --> 00:04:07,675 Speaker 1: and it's kind of baked into the vote. And he says, 58 00:04:07,715 --> 00:04:10,355 Speaker 1: the polls show nobody cares, and not once did it 59 00:04:10,395 --> 00:04:13,475 Speaker 1: ever seem to register with this idiot Sununu or the 60 00:04:13,515 --> 00:04:16,915 Speaker 1: other Republicans who even referenced this yesterday, that we are 61 00:04:16,955 --> 00:04:20,395 Speaker 1: not talking about a vote, we are talking about death camps. 62 00:04:22,835 --> 00:04:26,515 Speaker 1: And Sununu is left almost literally explaining that it's just 63 00:04:26,635 --> 00:04:31,875 Speaker 1: the woke mob coming for Hitler and General and to 64 00:04:31,995 --> 00:04:34,995 Speaker 1: the military leader, friends of Olivia, Troy, if that doesn't 65 00:04:34,995 --> 00:04:38,235 Speaker 1: get you to sit down at Adias at the National 66 00:04:38,275 --> 00:04:41,155 Speaker 1: Press Club and do as much for this country as 67 00:04:41,195 --> 00:04:44,795 Speaker 1: if you were personally subduing the nine to eleven hijackers 68 00:04:44,835 --> 00:04:48,475 Speaker 1: as they boarded the planes. Maybe this from the dumbest 69 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:53,195 Speaker 1: man in America. Brian Kilmead from Fox News, gradually building 70 00:04:53,195 --> 00:04:56,155 Speaker 1: his rationalization to the point where he comes this close 71 00:04:56,195 --> 00:05:00,315 Speaker 1: to saying that, yeah, maybe Trump shouldn't have mentioned Hitler, 72 00:05:00,395 --> 00:05:03,675 Speaker 1: but it's not like he was wrong about Hitler, because 73 00:05:03,715 --> 00:05:07,235 Speaker 1: certainly Hitler Generals did a lot of good things. Maybe 74 00:05:07,315 --> 00:05:10,195 Speaker 1: this will get you onto that stage in front of 75 00:05:10,195 --> 00:05:13,955 Speaker 1: those microphones. General, it's not your job to reign in 76 00:05:13,995 --> 00:05:16,475 Speaker 1: the president. It's your job to do with the president wants. 77 00:05:16,715 --> 00:05:18,395 Speaker 2: And then you factor in the fact that he runs 78 00:05:18,435 --> 00:05:20,915 Speaker 2: his own company, coming from the business world, the first 79 00:05:20,955 --> 00:05:23,515 Speaker 2: one we've ever had it's not even a public company. 80 00:05:23,795 --> 00:05:26,915 Speaker 2: And then he obviously has frustration, and I could absolutely 81 00:05:26,915 --> 00:05:28,595 Speaker 2: see him going, now, you know what, it would be 82 00:05:28,595 --> 00:05:30,795 Speaker 2: great to have German generals that actually do what we 83 00:05:30,875 --> 00:05:35,515 Speaker 2: ask them to do, knowing that's maybe not fully being 84 00:05:35,555 --> 00:05:38,915 Speaker 2: cognizant of the third rail of German general's we're Nazis 85 00:05:38,915 --> 00:05:39,755 Speaker 2: and whatever. 86 00:05:39,755 --> 00:05:45,035 Speaker 1: Great general's bad boss, General Kelly, we aren't an inflection 87 00:05:45,235 --> 00:05:48,955 Speaker 1: point right now as certainly as we were at Yorktown 88 00:05:49,995 --> 00:05:55,555 Speaker 1: or Gettysburg or Normandy, except that with just words you 89 00:05:55,595 --> 00:05:59,795 Speaker 1: can prevent the bloodshed that will happen not on one battlefield, 90 00:05:59,835 --> 00:06:02,315 Speaker 1: at home or abroad, but in every quarter of this 91 00:06:02,475 --> 00:06:06,275 Speaker 1: nation to some great degree or just to some small degree, 92 00:06:06,315 --> 00:06:09,435 Speaker 1: because bloodshed and the threat of it will be the 93 00:06:09,635 --> 00:06:15,235 Speaker 1: essence of a Trump dictatorship. And bluntly, General, you helped 94 00:06:15,355 --> 00:06:19,235 Speaker 1: get us here because while you were witnessing this madman 95 00:06:19,555 --> 00:06:23,275 Speaker 1: in real time yearned for a military personally sworn to 96 00:06:23,395 --> 00:06:29,755 Speaker 1: him as the Wehrmacht was to Hitler, you said nothing. Then, well, 97 00:06:29,795 --> 00:06:34,235 Speaker 1: now you are talking, and the test of your patriotism, 98 00:06:34,395 --> 00:06:36,355 Speaker 1: to say nothing of the test of the chance for 99 00:06:36,395 --> 00:06:39,195 Speaker 1: this nation to still exist five years from now in 100 00:06:39,275 --> 00:06:44,195 Speaker 1: something like its current form depends on you winning the 101 00:06:44,235 --> 00:06:48,675 Speaker 1: Battle of Trump, because I don't know where you were 102 00:06:48,715 --> 00:06:52,915 Speaker 1: on Saturday October twentieth, nineteen seventy three. Your biography says 103 00:06:52,915 --> 00:06:56,035 Speaker 1: you had gone into the reserves, so in your early 104 00:06:56,075 --> 00:06:59,315 Speaker 1: twenties you could finish your degree at UMass Boston. So 105 00:06:59,475 --> 00:07:04,235 Speaker 1: maybe you watched the Special Watergate Council Archibald Cox's press 106 00:07:04,275 --> 00:07:08,115 Speaker 1: conference that afternoon at the National Press Club, where Cox 107 00:07:08,235 --> 00:07:13,475 Speaker 1: spoke so modestly, so bluntly, so self abnegatingly about the 108 00:07:13,475 --> 00:07:17,195 Speaker 1: crimes of Richard Nixon that he not only broke Nixon 109 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:22,635 Speaker 1: and precipitated Nixon's infamous Saturday Night massacre, firing Cox, forcing 110 00:07:22,635 --> 00:07:25,715 Speaker 1: the resignations of the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General 111 00:07:25,755 --> 00:07:29,715 Speaker 1: hours later when they wouldn't fire Cox. Cox not only 112 00:07:29,715 --> 00:07:32,915 Speaker 1: did that, but more importantly, his honesty, his patriotism was 113 00:07:32,995 --> 00:07:36,875 Speaker 1: so obvious and unanswerable that when Nixon acted in a 114 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:39,595 Speaker 1: show of force that he was certain was going to 115 00:07:39,715 --> 00:07:43,795 Speaker 1: win Watergate for him and make his opponents afraid of him, 116 00:07:44,035 --> 00:07:48,195 Speaker 1: America instead sided with Archie Cox and the truth and 117 00:07:48,275 --> 00:07:52,475 Speaker 1: the investigation, and Nixon that night became an ex president, 118 00:07:52,555 --> 00:07:58,275 Speaker 1: waiting to happen. General Kelly, this country may be too 119 00:07:58,355 --> 00:08:00,915 Speaker 1: far gone for one man to make a public creed 120 00:08:00,955 --> 00:08:04,635 Speaker 1: decur or twenty of them to make them, and for 121 00:08:04,835 --> 00:08:08,395 Speaker 1: that to save the nation. But you right now are 122 00:08:08,555 --> 00:08:13,235 Speaker 1: our best chance, and maybe our last chance before the election. 123 00:08:14,315 --> 00:08:18,475 Speaker 1: Get up there and tell what you told. Jeffrey Goldberg 124 00:08:18,555 --> 00:08:22,515 Speaker 1: of The Atlantic. Cite as many dates and details as 125 00:08:22,555 --> 00:08:26,195 Speaker 1: you can put Trump's invoking of Hitler on the record. 126 00:08:26,555 --> 00:08:29,755 Speaker 1: Tell them about Trump calling the American dead of World 127 00:08:29,835 --> 00:08:34,595 Speaker 1: War One in France suckers and losers. Tell them. Tell 128 00:08:34,635 --> 00:08:40,595 Speaker 1: them live on CNN, on MSNBC, on CBS, ABC, NBC, 129 00:08:40,875 --> 00:08:44,075 Speaker 1: live on Fox, if Fox has the guts to do it, 130 00:08:44,995 --> 00:08:48,315 Speaker 1: tell them what you told. My friend Michael Schmid of 131 00:08:48,315 --> 00:09:00,115 Speaker 1: the New York Times. 132 00:08:54,515 --> 00:08:59,475 Speaker 3: Too, And of course if you knows history. Again, I 133 00:08:59,475 --> 00:09:02,075 Speaker 3: think he's lacking a man. But if you know what 134 00:09:02,675 --> 00:09:05,395 Speaker 3: you know him, it was all about it. You would 135 00:09:05,395 --> 00:09:07,235 Speaker 3: be pretty hard to make an argument that you did 136 00:09:07,275 --> 00:09:07,875 Speaker 3: anything good. 137 00:09:08,155 --> 00:09:10,155 Speaker 1: So what would you What would you say when he 138 00:09:10,235 --> 00:09:12,275 Speaker 1: said to you that Hitler did a lot of good things? 139 00:09:12,355 --> 00:09:15,435 Speaker 4: I tell him that, I said, yes, sir. If you 140 00:09:15,955 --> 00:09:17,395 Speaker 4: first of all, you should never say that. 141 00:09:18,235 --> 00:09:21,235 Speaker 3: But if you knew what mister Kila was all about 142 00:09:21,395 --> 00:09:22,555 Speaker 3: from the beginning to the end. 143 00:09:23,515 --> 00:09:28,355 Speaker 4: Uh. Everything he did was to one of his racist, 144 00:09:29,115 --> 00:09:36,235 Speaker 4: fascist uh life you know, you know philosophy, so that 145 00:09:36,355 --> 00:09:38,795 Speaker 4: nothing he did you could argue was good. It was 146 00:09:38,795 --> 00:09:41,035 Speaker 4: certainly not done for the right reason. 147 00:09:41,875 --> 00:09:46,755 Speaker 1: And he would occasionally say that. By the way, the 148 00:09:46,755 --> 00:09:51,115 Speaker 1: New York Times put all that below the fold of 149 00:09:51,155 --> 00:09:55,675 Speaker 1: the front page, under all the horse race stories and 150 00:09:55,795 --> 00:10:01,155 Speaker 1: political strategy and polling. The way the Times coincidentally buried 151 00:10:01,555 --> 00:10:06,755 Speaker 1: Watergate for a year until Archie Cox held his press 152 00:10:06,755 --> 00:10:13,115 Speaker 1: conference fifty one years ago last Sunday, Do it general 153 00:10:13,875 --> 00:10:18,315 Speaker 1: alert the media because the media is obviously no longer 154 00:10:18,475 --> 00:10:22,315 Speaker 1: alert to threats, because the media has forgotten its oath, 155 00:10:22,475 --> 00:10:26,315 Speaker 1: unofficial as it is, and especially because your oath, Sir, 156 00:10:26,715 --> 00:10:29,915 Speaker 1: to serve this nation, and if need be, to save 157 00:10:30,075 --> 00:10:44,035 Speaker 1: this nation, is neither unofficial nor forgotten. It is hard 158 00:10:44,075 --> 00:10:46,795 Speaker 1: to believe that right now, in the rankings of nonpartisan 159 00:10:46,835 --> 00:10:50,195 Speaker 1: patriotic service to this country, the ill fated former New 160 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:55,675 Speaker 1: York Times columnist William Crystal is far far ahead of 161 00:10:55,715 --> 00:11:00,315 Speaker 1: The Times itself, and ahead of dozens of other terrified, lazy, 162 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:04,875 Speaker 1: and ultimately incompetent news outlets. Because just the headline of 163 00:11:04,915 --> 00:11:07,635 Speaker 1: the column that Bill Crystal and Andrew Egger wrote for 164 00:11:07,675 --> 00:11:14,995 Speaker 1: The Bulwark Reich Track Wrong Track, is gutsier than anything 165 00:11:15,035 --> 00:11:17,795 Speaker 1: that's been in The New York Times in a decade, 166 00:11:18,115 --> 00:11:22,155 Speaker 1: because they are recognizing what has been undeniable for at 167 00:11:22,235 --> 00:11:26,195 Speaker 1: least a year, almost certainly for nine years, has been 168 00:11:26,275 --> 00:11:30,875 Speaker 1: clearly true for thirty four years. Trump is our Hitler, 169 00:11:31,435 --> 00:11:34,835 Speaker 1: not the nineteen forty Hitler, not nineteen thirty eight Hitler, 170 00:11:35,635 --> 00:11:39,675 Speaker 1: but nineteen thirty two Hitler, the one who, had he 171 00:11:39,755 --> 00:11:44,235 Speaker 1: been stopped then would not have destroyed Europe. The now 172 00:11:44,315 --> 00:11:48,115 Speaker 1: is the last chance to prevent Hitler Hitler. That's who 173 00:11:48,155 --> 00:11:53,995 Speaker 1: Trump has become. That's who Trump is today. And some 174 00:11:54,075 --> 00:11:58,035 Speaker 1: of us have known this for thirty four years, since 175 00:11:58,115 --> 00:12:00,875 Speaker 1: late in the summer of nineteen ninety, that is, when 176 00:12:00,915 --> 00:12:04,395 Speaker 1: a writer named Marie Brenner published a profile of Trump 177 00:12:04,475 --> 00:12:07,355 Speaker 1: and his first wife in Vanity Fair magazine. It is 178 00:12:07,515 --> 00:12:11,275 Speaker 1: always useful to quote several paragraphs of this article in 179 00:12:11,435 --> 00:12:19,755 Speaker 1: full September nineteen ninety quote Trump appears to take aspects 180 00:12:19,795 --> 00:12:23,395 Speaker 1: of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the 181 00:12:23,395 --> 00:12:26,875 Speaker 1: Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, 182 00:12:26,955 --> 00:12:30,355 Speaker 1: Ivanna told a friend he clicks his heels and says 183 00:12:31,075 --> 00:12:37,635 Speaker 1: Hyle Hitler, possibly as a family joke. Last April, perhaps 184 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:41,155 Speaker 1: in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivannah Trump told her 185 00:12:41,235 --> 00:12:44,115 Speaker 1: lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband 186 00:12:44,115 --> 00:12:48,875 Speaker 1: reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, 187 00:12:49,355 --> 00:12:52,955 Speaker 1: which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy 188 00:12:53,035 --> 00:12:56,395 Speaker 1: now guards a copy of My New Order in a 189 00:12:56,435 --> 00:12:59,155 Speaker 1: closet at his office as if it were a grenade. 190 00:13:00,275 --> 00:13:03,595 Speaker 1: Hitler's speeches from his earliest days up through the Phony 191 00:13:03,635 --> 00:13:07,395 Speaker 1: War of nineteen thirty nine reveal his extraordinary ability as 192 00:13:07,435 --> 00:13:12,275 Speaker 1: a master propagandist. Did your cousin John give you the 193 00:13:12,355 --> 00:13:17,915 Speaker 1: Hitler speeches, I asked Trump. Trump hesitated, who told you that? 194 00:13:18,875 --> 00:13:23,155 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I said, Actually, it was my friend 195 00:13:23,195 --> 00:13:25,275 Speaker 1: Marty Davis from Paramount, who gave me a copy of 196 00:13:25,315 --> 00:13:29,635 Speaker 1: Mind comp and he's a Jew. I did give him 197 00:13:29,675 --> 00:13:31,755 Speaker 1: a book about Hitler. Marty Davis said, but it was 198 00:13:31,835 --> 00:13:34,595 Speaker 1: My New Order Hitler's speeches, not mine. COMF I thought 199 00:13:34,635 --> 00:13:37,515 Speaker 1: he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but 200 00:13:37,795 --> 00:13:43,435 Speaker 1: I'm not Jewish. Later, Trump returned to this subject, if 201 00:13:43,515 --> 00:13:46,115 Speaker 1: I had these speeches, and I am not saying that 202 00:13:46,235 --> 00:13:51,795 Speaker 1: I do. I would never read them. There was another 203 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:55,395 Speaker 1: quote in that Vanity Fair article from thirty four years ago, 204 00:13:55,795 --> 00:13:59,835 Speaker 1: attributed to one of his attorneys. Donald the unnamed lawyer said, 205 00:14:00,315 --> 00:14:05,595 Speaker 1: is a believer in the big lie theory. If you 206 00:14:05,675 --> 00:14:12,995 Speaker 1: say something again and again, people will believe you. Nineteen ninety. 207 00:14:13,995 --> 00:14:17,155 Speaker 1: It was all there in nineteen ninety from I would 208 00:14:17,195 --> 00:14:21,355 Speaker 1: never read these speeches to giving speeches even Bill Crystal 209 00:14:21,475 --> 00:14:30,275 Speaker 1: recognizes as Hitlarian. This subject requires more time. I want 210 00:14:30,275 --> 00:14:33,275 Speaker 1: to give this entire episode to it, because Trump is 211 00:14:33,595 --> 00:14:37,355 Speaker 1: Hitler nineteen thirty two, and General Kelly has to hold 212 00:14:37,355 --> 00:14:40,115 Speaker 1: that news conference because the evil of Trump and the 213 00:14:40,155 --> 00:14:43,155 Speaker 1: threat he poses of re enacting all or part of 214 00:14:43,195 --> 00:14:48,475 Speaker 1: the actual Nazi nightmare only here is accelerating and the 215 00:14:48,595 --> 00:14:53,635 Speaker 1: days are down to a precious few. I ask, do 216 00:14:53,715 --> 00:14:58,715 Speaker 1: you remember the shock of eleven months ago? It's like 217 00:14:58,795 --> 00:15:02,235 Speaker 1: living next to a bad intersection where there's a car 218 00:15:02,315 --> 00:15:05,875 Speaker 1: crash every hour and being asked about one specifically from 219 00:15:05,955 --> 00:15:09,235 Speaker 1: November of last year, But from November of last year 220 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:15,795 Speaker 1: when Trump used one Hitlarian word and the critics recognized it, 221 00:15:16,195 --> 00:15:19,315 Speaker 1: and when the critics erupted. Trump's spokesman vowed that for 222 00:15:19,395 --> 00:15:23,515 Speaker 1: those critics quote, their entire existence will be crushed when 223 00:15:23,595 --> 00:15:28,235 Speaker 1: Trump returns to the White House. Remember that I will 224 00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:38,955 Speaker 1: continue from that point. That's next. This is countdown. Nearly 225 00:15:38,995 --> 00:15:41,995 Speaker 1: a year ago, in a five day span in November, 226 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:47,035 Speaker 1: America seemed to be getting the point. Quote. Trump calls 227 00:15:47,035 --> 00:15:52,715 Speaker 1: political enemies vermin, echoing dictators, Hitler, Mussolini. That was a 228 00:15:52,755 --> 00:15:57,275 Speaker 1: headline in the Washington Post. Quote Trump compares political foes 229 00:15:57,315 --> 00:16:01,715 Speaker 1: to vermin on Veterans Day, echoing Nazi propaganda. That was 230 00:16:01,755 --> 00:16:05,835 Speaker 1: the headline in Forbes magazine. Quote it's a official with Vermin. 231 00:16:05,915 --> 00:16:09,555 Speaker 1: Trump is now using straight up Nazi talk. That was 232 00:16:09,595 --> 00:16:15,675 Speaker 1: the headline in The New Republic. Trump is Hitler. Quote. 233 00:16:15,755 --> 00:16:19,475 Speaker 1: Those who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes, 234 00:16:19,915 --> 00:16:24,035 Speaker 1: and their entire existence will be crushed when Trump returns 235 00:16:24,075 --> 00:16:28,195 Speaker 1: to the White House. Unquote. That was the spokesman Stephen Chung. 236 00:16:30,595 --> 00:16:33,675 Speaker 1: Later that day, Chung realized, or somebody realized for him, 237 00:16:33,715 --> 00:16:36,915 Speaker 1: what he had actually said. Chung insisted he had intended 238 00:16:36,915 --> 00:16:40,915 Speaker 1: to say, and their sad, miserable existence will be crushed 239 00:16:40,995 --> 00:16:43,475 Speaker 1: when Trump returns to the White House, and that Chung 240 00:16:43,675 --> 00:16:47,315 Speaker 1: or whoever thought that for him, thought the horrifying part 241 00:16:47,315 --> 00:16:49,795 Speaker 1: of his threat was the word entire rather than the 242 00:16:49,835 --> 00:16:54,835 Speaker 1: phrase existence will be crushed. That told us all we 243 00:16:54,955 --> 00:16:58,635 Speaker 1: really needed to know that Trump and Stephen Chung and 244 00:16:58,675 --> 00:17:02,395 Speaker 1: Steven Miller and all the others know exactly what they 245 00:17:02,395 --> 00:17:07,515 Speaker 1: are saying and what it means and who they are paraphrasing. 246 00:17:09,715 --> 00:17:15,795 Speaker 1: Moments after Chung's correction, Trump raised the stakes again. He 247 00:17:15,915 --> 00:17:20,475 Speaker 1: sampled from another dictatorship, Jack Smith, Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monico, 248 00:17:20,595 --> 00:17:23,355 Speaker 1: the team of losers and misfits from crewe and all 249 00:17:23,395 --> 00:17:25,995 Speaker 1: the rest of the radical left zelots and thugs who 250 00:17:26,075 --> 00:17:28,515 Speaker 1: have been working illegally for years to take me down 251 00:17:28,755 --> 00:17:31,515 Speaker 1: will end up in a mental institution by the time 252 00:17:31,595 --> 00:17:37,555 Speaker 1: my next term as president is successfully completed. Unquote, Trump wrote, 253 00:17:37,955 --> 00:17:42,315 Speaker 1: forced psychiatric institutionalization was less the Nazis than it was 254 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:47,035 Speaker 1: the Soviets, But the Nazis happily gassed those they deemed 255 00:17:47,115 --> 00:17:52,795 Speaker 1: mentally impaired, along with gassing everybody else. For a time 256 00:17:52,875 --> 00:17:55,995 Speaker 1: after this, Trump seemed to understand that to keep spaces 257 00:17:56,035 --> 00:18:00,315 Speaker 1: between his overt quotations of, and imitations of, and emulations 258 00:18:00,315 --> 00:18:03,355 Speaker 1: of Hitler was his way to slip them past those 259 00:18:03,355 --> 00:18:06,235 Speaker 1: who were looking for excuses to not believe that he 260 00:18:06,315 --> 00:18:10,715 Speaker 1: was Hitler nineteen thirty two, or perhaps with his deteriorating mind, 261 00:18:10,955 --> 00:18:15,395 Speaker 1: the spaces were inadvertent and simply accidentally protected him. But 262 00:18:15,475 --> 00:18:18,875 Speaker 1: then something else happened. It was in September last year, 263 00:18:18,915 --> 00:18:21,835 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, in Dubuque in Iowa, when he began 264 00:18:21,955 --> 00:18:26,235 Speaker 1: to get into the Nazi obsession with blood and genetics. 265 00:18:26,635 --> 00:18:29,875 Speaker 1: It's in the genes, as he said last week, and 266 00:18:29,915 --> 00:18:35,915 Speaker 1: how the outsiders, the Auschlanders, are poisoning our blood. He 267 00:18:35,995 --> 00:18:40,995 Speaker 1: didn't call them Auschlanders, of course, he called them immigrants. Quote, 268 00:18:41,035 --> 00:18:44,275 Speaker 1: it's the blood of our country. What they're doing is 269 00:18:44,355 --> 00:18:52,115 Speaker 1: destroying our country. Then November ninth, twenty twenty three, inside 270 00:18:52,155 --> 00:18:54,715 Speaker 1: the one year mark until the election, at one o 271 00:18:54,835 --> 00:18:58,995 Speaker 1: three in the morning, quote, we are one movement, one people, 272 00:18:59,515 --> 00:19:05,635 Speaker 1: one family, and one glorious nation. Sounds like he found 273 00:19:05,675 --> 00:19:11,115 Speaker 1: that book that man Davis gave him. Huh. Last Veterans Day, 274 00:19:11,675 --> 00:19:14,915 Speaker 1: at one twenty five in the afternoon, Trump wrote, in 275 00:19:14,995 --> 00:19:17,795 Speaker 1: honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledged 276 00:19:17,835 --> 00:19:21,035 Speaker 1: to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, 277 00:19:21,275 --> 00:19:24,995 Speaker 1: and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the 278 00:19:24,995 --> 00:19:28,435 Speaker 1: confines of our country. The threat from outside forces is 279 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:32,155 Speaker 1: far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. 280 00:19:33,395 --> 00:19:35,795 Speaker 1: Minutes later at Claremont Ne, Hampshire, he liked that one 281 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:38,995 Speaker 1: so much he read it to the crowd on Veterans Day, 282 00:19:40,075 --> 00:19:43,195 Speaker 1: veterans many of whom still alive, who actually fought to 283 00:19:43,275 --> 00:19:47,155 Speaker 1: kill the last political strong man who talked about the 284 00:19:47,195 --> 00:19:50,635 Speaker 1: communist vermin and how he would root them out Hitler, 285 00:19:51,115 --> 00:19:54,635 Speaker 1: And now Trump was telling them about the communist vermin 286 00:19:54,675 --> 00:19:59,555 Speaker 1: and how he would root them out. That was when 287 00:19:59,595 --> 00:20:02,875 Speaker 1: Trump began to talk about the threat from within. Hitler 288 00:20:02,875 --> 00:20:05,715 Speaker 1: had been more explicit, but not much. The enemy from 289 00:20:05,715 --> 00:20:09,395 Speaker 1: within was Hitler's phrase, and by this past summer Trump 290 00:20:09,395 --> 00:20:13,195 Speaker 1: had realized that the enemy from within, or the enemy within, 291 00:20:13,395 --> 00:20:17,075 Speaker 1: was far better, and he took Hitler's phrase and he 292 00:20:17,155 --> 00:20:23,075 Speaker 1: made that one his own. Trump advocates for conformity and 293 00:20:23,075 --> 00:20:26,555 Speaker 1: suppression of descent. One people, one family, one glorious nation. 294 00:20:26,875 --> 00:20:29,315 Speaker 1: For Hitler, it was a little bit more lyrical. One people, 295 00:20:29,355 --> 00:20:33,995 Speaker 1: one realm, one leader. And then Trump moved to the 296 00:20:34,035 --> 00:20:37,795 Speaker 1: sanguine imagery migrants poisoning the blood of our country. Hitler 297 00:20:37,835 --> 00:20:42,875 Speaker 1: began with the evil nonsense of pure Aryan blood and 298 00:20:43,035 --> 00:20:47,275 Speaker 1: ended by killing those who did not quote have unquote it. 299 00:20:49,515 --> 00:20:55,315 Speaker 1: Trump's puppeteer, Stephen Miller, has revealed plans for quote vast 300 00:20:55,395 --> 00:20:58,915 Speaker 1: holding facilities that would function as staging centers, built by 301 00:20:58,915 --> 00:21:02,755 Speaker 1: the military and operated by Homeland Security, enabling quote Trump 302 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,635 Speaker 1: to unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement 303 00:21:06,675 --> 00:21:14,235 Speaker 1: the most spectacular migration crackdown. Hitler's view was identical, his 304 00:21:14,355 --> 00:21:19,395 Speaker 1: terminology simpler. He just called them concentration camps. Steven Miller's 305 00:21:19,475 --> 00:21:22,275 Speaker 1: rapture at this idea underscores that we are not merely 306 00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:25,515 Speaker 1: witnessing Trump using the latest in a decade's long list 307 00:21:25,515 --> 00:21:28,915 Speaker 1: of bad advertising slogans for products that he will never deliver. 308 00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:34,955 Speaker 1: He means it, they mean it, and as what John 309 00:21:35,035 --> 00:21:38,515 Speaker 1: Kelly told us yesterday and the day before meant, they 310 00:21:38,555 --> 00:21:42,195 Speaker 1: do not mean it, just rhetorically quote. Any activists who 311 00:21:42,275 --> 00:21:46,675 Speaker 1: doubt Trump's resolve in the slightest are making a drastic error. 312 00:21:47,075 --> 00:21:52,955 Speaker 1: Miller said, the immigration legal activists won't know what's happening. 313 00:21:55,435 --> 00:21:57,275 Speaker 1: Then there is the question of how to make Trump's 314 00:21:57,355 --> 00:22:01,955 Speaker 1: Hitlarian plans look legal. RUSS vote, The Project twenty twenty 315 00:22:01,955 --> 00:22:04,995 Speaker 1: five architect helpfully mapped out how to turn the Apartment 316 00:22:05,035 --> 00:22:09,635 Speaker 1: of Justice into a real life or Wellian and Hitlary 317 00:22:09,635 --> 00:22:13,115 Speaker 1: in Revenge Factory. You don't need a statutory change at all, 318 00:22:13,155 --> 00:22:15,475 Speaker 1: he said, you need a mindset change. You need an 319 00:22:15,515 --> 00:22:18,155 Speaker 1: attorney general in a White House Counsel's office that don't 320 00:22:18,235 --> 00:22:24,795 Speaker 1: view themselves as trying to protect the department from the president. Hm, 321 00:22:25,355 --> 00:22:27,635 Speaker 1: who is that? They mentioned the other days on the 322 00:22:27,755 --> 00:22:33,115 Speaker 1: short list for Trump's attorney general. His concierge judge in Florida, 323 00:22:33,195 --> 00:22:38,435 Speaker 1: Aileen Cannon, an attorney general doesn't view themselves as trying 324 00:22:38,435 --> 00:22:41,435 Speaker 1: to protect the department from the president. Well, she's got 325 00:22:41,475 --> 00:22:46,115 Speaker 1: that down. RUSS vote, meanwhile, is now referenced by Axios 326 00:22:46,115 --> 00:22:49,035 Speaker 1: as being behind a plan to apply this same idea 327 00:22:49,115 --> 00:22:52,915 Speaker 1: to the military. Quote rigorously review all general and flag 328 00:22:52,955 --> 00:22:56,235 Speaker 1: officer promotions to make sure the senior military officials line 329 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,555 Speaker 1: up with Trump's philosophies. In other words, John Kelly can 330 00:22:59,595 --> 00:23:01,475 Speaker 1: go to Hell and all the other John Kelly's with 331 00:23:01,555 --> 00:23:05,515 Speaker 1: him and drip by drip, just as in Nazi Germany, 332 00:23:05,675 --> 00:23:10,115 Speaker 1: the evil grows and grows slowly, but certainly it's barely 333 00:23:10,235 --> 00:23:13,435 Speaker 1: bigger than the last time you look. But it is bigger. 334 00:23:15,155 --> 00:23:19,435 Speaker 1: This was all comparatively new a year ago. Then, weeks 335 00:23:19,435 --> 00:23:22,355 Speaker 1: after the outlines of Project twenty twenty five became clear, 336 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:26,155 Speaker 1: the Washington Post first reported they were drafting plans to 337 00:23:26,195 --> 00:23:30,995 Speaker 1: potentially invoke the Insurrection Act on Trump's first day in office, 338 00:23:31,355 --> 00:23:35,155 Speaker 1: to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. 339 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:39,755 Speaker 1: The military General Kelly, that would be, you go out 340 00:23:39,755 --> 00:23:43,515 Speaker 1: and shoot some American civilians. The more unarmed, the better. 341 00:23:44,355 --> 00:23:47,355 Speaker 1: That's your choice. Get up and speak or get out 342 00:23:47,355 --> 00:23:52,875 Speaker 1: and shoot. And of course Trump and Stephen Miller waiting 343 00:23:52,915 --> 00:23:55,595 Speaker 1: for the bell to ring, quoting the New York Times, 344 00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:59,355 Speaker 1: because Trump plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants 345 00:23:59,475 --> 00:24:02,115 Speaker 1: and deport people by the millions per year. The newest 346 00:24:02,155 --> 00:24:05,075 Speaker 1: version of this promise, obviously is fifteen million in US total. 347 00:24:05,915 --> 00:24:08,275 Speaker 1: And as I first pointed out in twenty sixteen, we 348 00:24:08,355 --> 00:24:10,875 Speaker 1: really do need to remember that it's not as if 349 00:24:10,955 --> 00:24:13,515 Speaker 1: non immigrants wouldn't try to stop this, And of course 350 00:24:13,675 --> 00:24:15,635 Speaker 1: when they did try to stop it, they would go 351 00:24:15,715 --> 00:24:19,075 Speaker 1: to those vast holding facilities that would function as staging 352 00:24:19,115 --> 00:24:24,835 Speaker 1: centers along with the migrants, those vast holding facilities that 353 00:24:24,875 --> 00:24:32,115 Speaker 1: are just camps, camps with concentration concentration camps. It must 354 00:24:32,195 --> 00:24:35,275 Speaker 1: also be caveated that Trump to some degree tried to 355 00:24:35,355 --> 00:24:39,795 Speaker 1: do this in twenty seventeen and failed, But as with 356 00:24:40,075 --> 00:24:43,315 Speaker 1: January sixth, we must see it from his diseased point 357 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:49,475 Speaker 1: of view. They were not failures. Those events and January sixth, 358 00:24:49,715 --> 00:24:55,915 Speaker 1: they were not failures. They were practice, and they were 359 00:24:55,955 --> 00:24:59,875 Speaker 1: also practiced at erasing all the norms, exactly as Hitler 360 00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:05,355 Speaker 1: did gradually. Just last week, Bob Woodward can the story 361 00:25:05,395 --> 00:25:08,555 Speaker 1: of the ex Congressman Moe Brooks, one that Jonathan Carl 362 00:25:08,555 --> 00:25:11,835 Speaker 1: had written about last year about Trump calling Brooks while 363 00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:14,835 Speaker 1: Brooks was running for Senate and Trump had already endorsed him. 364 00:25:15,155 --> 00:25:19,435 Speaker 1: Mobrooks might have been Trump's wildest fascist ally in the 365 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:22,395 Speaker 1: coup attempt of January twenty twenty one, but now Trump 366 00:25:22,475 --> 00:25:27,675 Speaker 1: needed a favor four favors. Actually, he wanted mow Brooks 367 00:25:27,675 --> 00:25:30,075 Speaker 1: to publicly call for Biden to be removed from the 368 00:25:30,115 --> 00:25:33,395 Speaker 1: White House. This is in twenty twenty one. He wanted 369 00:25:33,395 --> 00:25:37,915 Speaker 1: Brooks to publicly call for an immediate new election and 370 00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:41,155 Speaker 1: he wanted Brooks to publicly insist that Trump be reinstated. 371 00:25:41,315 --> 00:25:43,915 Speaker 1: In short, he wanted Brooks to make demands that could 372 00:25:43,955 --> 00:25:48,995 Speaker 1: easily have actually talched off a full scale civil war overnight. 373 00:25:50,955 --> 00:25:54,755 Speaker 1: Maybe the real story there was mo Brooks declined, whereupon 374 00:25:54,875 --> 00:25:58,715 Speaker 1: Trump withdrew his endorsement. Brooks lost the primary and has 375 00:25:58,795 --> 00:26:04,955 Speaker 1: not been heard from since. You do not disobey the furer. 376 00:26:05,035 --> 00:26:08,275 Speaker 1: Carl also wrote that the reason the same Republicans who 377 00:26:08,315 --> 00:26:10,915 Speaker 1: attacked Trump after the coup all did a one point 378 00:26:10,915 --> 00:26:15,155 Speaker 1: eighty and began making excuses for him was that Trump 379 00:26:15,235 --> 00:26:17,635 Speaker 1: called Ronald McDaniel on the morning of his last day 380 00:26:17,635 --> 00:26:20,075 Speaker 1: in office, January twentieth, and told her that if they 381 00:26:20,115 --> 00:26:23,515 Speaker 1: didn't get in line, he would be leaving the Republican 382 00:26:23,555 --> 00:26:28,635 Speaker 1: Party to form his own party. So when it comes 383 00:26:28,675 --> 00:26:34,115 Speaker 1: out that there were deleted tweets criticizing Trump about January sixth, yesterday, 384 00:26:34,155 --> 00:26:37,875 Speaker 1: it was Chris la Sevita, one of Trump's twenty twenty 385 00:26:37,875 --> 00:26:41,755 Speaker 1: four campaign managers, turned out to have been anti Trump 386 00:26:41,795 --> 00:26:45,515 Speaker 1: on January sixth, even talked about removing him in from office. 387 00:26:45,595 --> 00:26:49,195 Speaker 1: In the last two weeks of the administration. Oh oh no, no, 388 00:26:49,195 --> 00:26:52,435 Speaker 1: no no, I was just retweeting. Retweets are not endorsements. 389 00:26:53,435 --> 00:27:00,635 Speaker 1: When you ask why no Republican breaks with Trump, even 390 00:27:00,755 --> 00:27:03,995 Speaker 1: as he has everything about Hitler going for him except 391 00:27:03,995 --> 00:27:08,675 Speaker 1: the mustache, sh it's because for nearly four years Trump 392 00:27:08,755 --> 00:27:12,995 Speaker 1: has been holding the Republican Party hostage. Do it my way, 393 00:27:13,915 --> 00:27:16,715 Speaker 1: or you will be the third party and the Trump 394 00:27:16,795 --> 00:27:21,355 Speaker 1: Party will be the second party. John carl also wrote 395 00:27:21,395 --> 00:27:23,955 Speaker 1: of what the House January sixth committee had found about 396 00:27:23,995 --> 00:27:26,955 Speaker 1: Trump's final days but did not put before the public. 397 00:27:27,155 --> 00:27:30,075 Speaker 1: The Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and its Chief of Staff 398 00:27:30,155 --> 00:27:33,195 Speaker 1: James McConville, had announced that the military would play no 399 00:27:33,315 --> 00:27:35,595 Speaker 1: role in determining the outcome of the twenty twenty election, 400 00:27:35,835 --> 00:27:38,795 Speaker 1: nor in the transition of power. And this infuriated Trump, 401 00:27:38,835 --> 00:27:41,395 Speaker 1: who was busy huddling with Jeff Clark also on that 402 00:27:41,515 --> 00:27:44,075 Speaker 1: list for Attorney General that came out the other day, 403 00:27:44,435 --> 00:27:47,955 Speaker 1: and other experts like Sidney Powell and the guy from 404 00:27:47,995 --> 00:27:51,515 Speaker 1: overstock dot com about having the military seize the voting 405 00:27:51,555 --> 00:27:54,675 Speaker 1: machines and declaring martial law. And this was the new 406 00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:59,195 Speaker 1: part Trump quote sent top aide Johnny McAtee to warn 407 00:27:59,275 --> 00:28:03,915 Speaker 1: Pentagon leaders that Trump was irate. Mcintee relayed Trump's concerns 408 00:28:03,955 --> 00:28:06,835 Speaker 1: to Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, and took some notes 409 00:28:06,835 --> 00:28:09,115 Speaker 1: on the conversation to pass back to the West Wing. 410 00:28:09,595 --> 00:28:11,875 Speaker 1: And there is the note, torn in pieces in a 411 00:28:11,915 --> 00:28:16,715 Speaker 1: Trumpian prepubescent rage, taped back together by aids more loyal 412 00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:20,835 Speaker 1: to your National Archives than to Trump. Quote Chris Miller 413 00:28:20,875 --> 00:28:23,915 Speaker 1: spoke to both of them and anticipates no more statements 414 00:28:23,915 --> 00:28:27,635 Speaker 1: coming out. If another happens, he will fire them unquote. 415 00:28:29,115 --> 00:28:31,635 Speaker 1: And there it is the twenty twenty Trumpian warm up 416 00:28:31,635 --> 00:28:34,115 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, when all the generals who are 417 00:28:34,115 --> 00:28:38,275 Speaker 1: disloyal to Trump will be fired because, as John Kelly 418 00:28:38,275 --> 00:28:41,035 Speaker 1: finally put on the record, the generals he wants, the 419 00:28:41,115 --> 00:28:45,395 Speaker 1: generals he will get next time will be just like Hitler's, 420 00:28:46,915 --> 00:28:49,435 Speaker 1: and all those generals who are loyal to Trump will 421 00:28:49,435 --> 00:28:54,675 Speaker 1: not be fired. They will be firing at you and me. 422 00:28:58,195 --> 00:29:01,995 Speaker 1: There is, of course, one note in this nightmare orchestra 423 00:29:02,155 --> 00:29:03,915 Speaker 1: that does not seem to be in tune with the 424 00:29:03,955 --> 00:29:10,515 Speaker 1: rest of Trump. As Hitler, he is specific, repetitive, almost 425 00:29:10,595 --> 00:29:17,715 Speaker 1: boringly angry about his unprecedented, unmatched support of Jewish people 426 00:29:18,595 --> 00:29:22,675 Speaker 1: until you listen carefully, when you realize it's not supportive 427 00:29:22,755 --> 00:29:26,755 Speaker 1: Jewish people at all. It's just another anti Semitic trope, 428 00:29:26,995 --> 00:29:29,075 Speaker 1: and it is based on the idea that Jews are 429 00:29:29,115 --> 00:29:32,355 Speaker 1: loyal not to America or whatever country they live in, 430 00:29:32,555 --> 00:29:36,515 Speaker 1: but to Israel. And Israel is part of something even 431 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,795 Speaker 1: darker within Trump's world. It is the way he has 432 00:29:39,795 --> 00:29:42,835 Speaker 1: got in America's evangelicals decide with him no matter what, 433 00:29:43,595 --> 00:29:48,275 Speaker 1: because the evangelicals love Israel. Israel has to be protected 434 00:29:48,755 --> 00:29:54,035 Speaker 1: because the rapture can only happen after the evangelicals and 435 00:29:54,115 --> 00:30:03,115 Speaker 1: God convert all the Jews or kill them. Now, that 436 00:30:03,515 --> 00:30:07,155 Speaker 1: might as well be a Trump campaign plank, and it 437 00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:10,435 Speaker 1: is another reason John Kelly has to go back to 438 00:30:10,515 --> 00:30:14,835 Speaker 1: war before the microphones and cameras. This time, I'll explain 439 00:30:14,915 --> 00:30:26,155 Speaker 1: this darkest part of the darkness next quote. No president 440 00:30:26,195 --> 00:30:30,195 Speaker 1: has done more for Israel than I have. Somewhat surprisingly, however, 441 00:30:30,315 --> 00:30:34,115 Speaker 1: our wonderful evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than 442 00:30:34,155 --> 00:30:36,715 Speaker 1: the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in 443 00:30:36,715 --> 00:30:40,835 Speaker 1: the US. Those living in Israel, though, are a different story. 444 00:30:41,075 --> 00:30:45,715 Speaker 1: Highest approval rating in the world could easily be pm US. 445 00:30:45,955 --> 00:30:49,195 Speaker 1: Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what 446 00:30:49,235 --> 00:30:55,835 Speaker 1: they have in Israel before it is too late. The 447 00:30:55,915 --> 00:30:59,355 Speaker 1: first thing there, and if you didn't recognize it, that 448 00:30:59,635 --> 00:31:02,915 Speaker 1: quote is from Trump. The first thing to note there 449 00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:06,035 Speaker 1: is Trump's unshakable conviction. We have been hearing it since 450 00:31:06,035 --> 00:31:09,795 Speaker 1: at least twenty sixteen. God knows what Evana Trump heard. 451 00:31:10,715 --> 00:31:14,115 Speaker 1: He said it again last week, that Americans of Jewish 452 00:31:14,155 --> 00:31:16,835 Speaker 1: heritage are actually loyal first, or should be loyal first, 453 00:31:16,915 --> 00:31:21,715 Speaker 1: to Israel people of the Jewish faith, especially those living 454 00:31:21,795 --> 00:31:24,635 Speaker 1: in Israel. This is one of the oldest tropes about 455 00:31:24,675 --> 00:31:28,435 Speaker 1: that religion, that there is an implied dual citizenship, a 456 00:31:28,475 --> 00:31:34,555 Speaker 1: certain uncertainty as to where Jewish loyalty really lies. All 457 00:31:34,875 --> 00:31:41,515 Speaker 1: anti Semites depend upon it. All rulers who ever purged 458 00:31:41,755 --> 00:31:51,395 Speaker 1: Jews believed it. Adolf Hitler started there in twenty eighteen. 459 00:31:51,435 --> 00:31:53,915 Speaker 1: At a Hanukkah event at the White House. Addressing Americans 460 00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:56,515 Speaker 1: who happened to be Jewish, he referred to Israel as quote, 461 00:31:56,555 --> 00:32:00,235 Speaker 1: your country, not the last time he said that. A 462 00:32:00,315 --> 00:32:02,595 Speaker 1: year later, he said, anybody who voted for a Democrat 463 00:32:02,715 --> 00:32:07,675 Speaker 1: might be disloyal. This has now become You'd better have 464 00:32:07,715 --> 00:32:13,155 Speaker 1: your head examined. He asked a reporter from an Orthodox 465 00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:17,675 Speaker 1: Jewish magazine. I did the Heights, I did Jerusalem, I 466 00:32:17,715 --> 00:32:20,475 Speaker 1: did Iran. The Iran deal was a disaster, right, and 467 00:32:20,475 --> 00:32:22,915 Speaker 1: I also did many other things. Jewish people who live 468 00:32:22,915 --> 00:32:25,395 Speaker 1: in the United States don't love Israel enough. Does that 469 00:32:25,435 --> 00:32:27,635 Speaker 1: make sense to you. I'm not talking about Orthodox Jews. 470 00:32:27,755 --> 00:32:30,195 Speaker 1: I believe we got twenty five percent of the Jewish vote, 471 00:32:30,235 --> 00:32:32,995 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense. It just seems strange to me. 472 00:32:36,835 --> 00:32:38,915 Speaker 1: He might as well have said I fed them fish. 473 00:32:38,955 --> 00:32:45,235 Speaker 1: Why didn't they spark like seals? Translation of that quote 474 00:32:45,235 --> 00:32:48,475 Speaker 1: and of the social media post. As president, he gave 475 00:32:48,755 --> 00:32:52,475 Speaker 1: Israel gifts. He was nice to them, when you know 476 00:32:52,555 --> 00:32:56,155 Speaker 1: he could have been openly anti Israel or anti Semitic. 477 00:32:57,315 --> 00:32:59,955 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the point of having a cabinet to 478 00:33:00,035 --> 00:33:04,155 Speaker 1: keep your Hitler books in? I mean, he didn't do 479 00:33:04,235 --> 00:33:06,715 Speaker 1: any now things to the Jews. You'd think the Jews 480 00:33:06,755 --> 00:33:13,075 Speaker 1: would fawn over him for not openly persecuting them. Let 481 00:33:13,075 --> 00:33:14,635 Speaker 1: me go out of sequence here and cut to the 482 00:33:14,635 --> 00:33:18,075 Speaker 1: money quote. US Jews have to get their act together 483 00:33:18,155 --> 00:33:20,675 Speaker 1: and appreciate what they have in Israel before it is 484 00:33:20,715 --> 00:33:23,355 Speaker 1: too late. I'm going to go out on a limb 485 00:33:23,395 --> 00:33:26,035 Speaker 1: here and say that's not subtle it is a threat 486 00:33:26,635 --> 00:33:28,995 Speaker 1: or a threat couched as a warning. Either way, it 487 00:33:29,075 --> 00:33:31,795 Speaker 1: is a repeat of the way the diseased mind of 488 00:33:31,795 --> 00:33:35,955 Speaker 1: Trump works. People hate you. I helped you. You haven't 489 00:33:35,995 --> 00:33:40,715 Speaker 1: been grateful enough. Your Jewish Israel, not America, is your country. 490 00:33:40,995 --> 00:33:43,795 Speaker 1: I helped Israel. If I'm not there to help Israel, 491 00:33:43,835 --> 00:33:46,795 Speaker 1: you'll be sorry. So you better start supporting me more 492 00:33:47,755 --> 00:33:52,955 Speaker 1: or else. But maybe the most important part of that 493 00:33:53,035 --> 00:33:56,435 Speaker 1: post is the seemingly throwaway reference to the evangelicals. It 494 00:33:56,475 --> 00:34:05,075 Speaker 1: actually explains the whole goddamned thing. He says, our wonderful evangelicals. Sorry, 495 00:34:05,155 --> 00:34:08,835 Speaker 1: these are religious nuts who will support him no matter 496 00:34:08,915 --> 00:34:11,875 Speaker 1: what because they think he is part of the most 497 00:34:11,915 --> 00:34:17,595 Speaker 1: screwball Bible prophecy of all of the many screwball Bible prophecies. 498 00:34:18,475 --> 00:34:21,475 Speaker 1: He thinks they are far more appreciative of his support 499 00:34:21,515 --> 00:34:25,435 Speaker 1: for Israel than our American Jews. The Trump and tell 500 00:34:25,555 --> 00:34:28,875 Speaker 1: here is adding the phrase somewhat surprisingly. This is his 501 00:34:28,955 --> 00:34:32,355 Speaker 1: standard misdirection, making it seem as if he doesn't understand 502 00:34:32,395 --> 00:34:36,915 Speaker 1: something quote or somewhat surprisingly that always means he understands 503 00:34:36,955 --> 00:34:41,835 Speaker 1: it completely. He realizes it's dark implications, and he wants 504 00:34:41,875 --> 00:34:45,075 Speaker 1: to distance himself from it. He can't sell it to you, 505 00:34:45,235 --> 00:34:47,835 Speaker 1: he has to hide it from you. And the obsession 506 00:34:48,315 --> 00:34:51,755 Speaker 1: with Israel on the part of those wonderful evangelicals is 507 00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:54,875 Speaker 1: as dark as it effing gets. And if you don't 508 00:34:54,915 --> 00:34:58,675 Speaker 1: know this yet, sit your ass down. Four and a 509 00:34:58,755 --> 00:35:03,555 Speaker 1: half years ago or more, Newsweek printed this remarkable headline quote, 510 00:35:03,755 --> 00:35:07,555 Speaker 1: Trump will start the end of the world, claim evangelicals 511 00:35:07,715 --> 00:35:15,755 Speaker 1: who support him. Evangelical Christians believe in end times what 512 00:35:15,795 --> 00:35:20,155 Speaker 1: they call prophecy and what others call stuff somebody made 513 00:35:20,235 --> 00:35:25,475 Speaker 1: up to fleece the gullible and stupid Jerusalem, where Trump 514 00:35:25,515 --> 00:35:29,075 Speaker 1: moved the American embassy to is the centerpiece of this 515 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:33,275 Speaker 1: fire and brimstone ending. Let me quote some of the 516 00:35:33,315 --> 00:35:37,635 Speaker 1: Newsweek piece on this. What kick starts the end Times 517 00:35:37,715 --> 00:35:41,315 Speaker 1: into motion is Israel's political boundaries being re established to 518 00:35:41,355 --> 00:35:45,435 Speaker 1: what God promised the Israelites according to the Bible. Nate Pyle, 519 00:35:45,515 --> 00:35:47,835 Speaker 1: a pastor and author of a book about Jesus, told 520 00:35:47,875 --> 00:35:52,355 Speaker 1: Newsweek most Evangelicals subscribe to a belief in pre millennialism, 521 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:55,035 Speaker 1: the belief that the second Coming of Christ will begin 522 00:35:55,355 --> 00:35:58,195 Speaker 1: a one thousand year period where Christ will rule over 523 00:35:58,275 --> 00:36:02,715 Speaker 1: a peaceful and prosperous Earth, Neil J. Young, a religion historian, 524 00:36:02,755 --> 00:36:05,955 Speaker 1: told Newsweek. Young, who holds a PhD in history from 525 00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:11,435 Speaker 1: Columbia University, writes frequently on evangelical culture and politics. Israel 526 00:36:11,555 --> 00:36:14,715 Speaker 1: is a key part of this story too, as Christians 527 00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:17,675 Speaker 1: believe that events there are fundamental to bringing about the 528 00:36:17,795 --> 00:36:22,115 Speaker 1: end times. Young continued. Meanwhile, the evangelical belief in the 529 00:36:22,235 --> 00:36:26,715 Speaker 1: end times also includes the eventual conversion to Christianity of 530 00:36:26,755 --> 00:36:29,915 Speaker 1: the Jewish people. The scenario begins when Christ comes to 531 00:36:29,955 --> 00:36:32,515 Speaker 1: Earth to take the living Christians who believe in him 532 00:36:32,515 --> 00:36:35,395 Speaker 1: to Heaven and resurrect the dead who were true Christians, 533 00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:40,395 Speaker 1: an event called the Rapture. Afterward, it is believed that 534 00:36:40,395 --> 00:36:43,395 Speaker 1: the Antichrist will reign on Earth during the seven year 535 00:36:43,475 --> 00:36:48,875 Speaker 1: period of tribulation. What about my four oh one k 536 00:36:49,715 --> 00:36:53,595 Speaker 1: now you didn't mishear anything in there. The evangelical fascination 537 00:36:53,715 --> 00:36:58,235 Speaker 1: with Jerusalem is about Christ returning and converting the Jews 538 00:36:58,755 --> 00:37:03,195 Speaker 1: or killing them. There is a history of professor at 539 00:37:03,235 --> 00:37:08,355 Speaker 1: the University of North Texas named Elizabeth Oldmixon. She studies 540 00:37:08,355 --> 00:37:12,155 Speaker 1: nothing but this bizarre connection between the evangelicals and Israel, 541 00:37:12,315 --> 00:37:16,515 Speaker 1: and now evangelicals and Israel and Trump. Vox interviewed her 542 00:37:16,515 --> 00:37:19,395 Speaker 1: and got to the whole, you know, convert or die thing. 543 00:37:20,395 --> 00:37:23,315 Speaker 1: They believe that before Christ will return, She said, there 544 00:37:23,355 --> 00:37:26,715 Speaker 1: will be a tribulation where Christ defeats evil. There will 545 00:37:26,755 --> 00:37:30,435 Speaker 1: be natural disasters and wars, and perhaps and anti Christ, 546 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:33,395 Speaker 1: as the Book of Revelation notes. Then at the end 547 00:37:33,435 --> 00:37:36,355 Speaker 1: of that period, the people of the Mosaic Covenant, including 548 00:37:36,395 --> 00:37:41,355 Speaker 1: the Jews, will convert. Then after their conversion, the Great 549 00:37:41,395 --> 00:37:48,155 Speaker 1: Millennium starts. The Vox reporter has seen the small problem 550 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:54,075 Speaker 1: in this timeline and quite naturally asks Professor Oldmixon, and 551 00:37:54,915 --> 00:37:59,435 Speaker 1: what about the people who don't convert? What becomes of them? 552 00:37:59,635 --> 00:38:03,435 Speaker 1: Old Mixon quote, Well, according to the evangelicals who believe this, 553 00:38:03,715 --> 00:38:06,515 Speaker 1: they'll end up with the of the unsaved, which means 554 00:38:06,755 --> 00:38:12,195 Speaker 1: they'll be wiped out and sent to Hell. Well, there 555 00:38:12,235 --> 00:38:18,715 Speaker 1: you have it. Trump's support for Israel, his easiest, most 556 00:38:18,755 --> 00:38:21,555 Speaker 1: sellable defense against the charge that he is Hitler nineteen 557 00:38:21,595 --> 00:38:25,435 Speaker 1: thirty two, is based on his need for Evangelicals to 558 00:38:25,515 --> 00:38:31,075 Speaker 1: support him and the Evangelicals support Israel, because later a 559 00:38:31,075 --> 00:38:33,875 Speaker 1: little later here in the timeline, it's revealed that all 560 00:38:33,955 --> 00:38:38,955 Speaker 1: the Jews are to be converted or killed. So, if 561 00:38:38,995 --> 00:38:41,395 Speaker 1: you want to take the darkest view of that last 562 00:38:41,555 --> 00:38:44,115 Speaker 1: sentence from Trump, US Jews have to get their act 563 00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,995 Speaker 1: together and appreciate what they have in Israel before it 564 00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:54,835 Speaker 1: is too late. He's literally warning them about annihilation. Where 565 00:38:55,235 --> 00:38:59,275 Speaker 1: have we heard this before? More importantly, how do we 566 00:38:59,355 --> 00:39:04,715 Speaker 1: stop it? That wonderfully titled Bill Crystal column yesterday, I 567 00:39:05,075 --> 00:39:08,635 Speaker 1: Track Wrong Track noted that to some degree, the cynical 568 00:39:08,635 --> 00:39:12,595 Speaker 1: and useless Governor Sinunu was right that voters are glazed 569 00:39:12,595 --> 00:39:16,475 Speaker 1: over about Trump's hitlary in tendencies and anti democracy hints. 570 00:39:16,835 --> 00:39:22,435 Speaker 1: But Crystal notes that an outfit called Blueprint tested several phrases, 571 00:39:22,635 --> 00:39:28,715 Speaker 1: several political campaign phrases with focus groups, and one horrified them. 572 00:39:28,835 --> 00:39:36,035 Speaker 1: And what we need right now is horrified. As Crystal wrote, 573 00:39:36,275 --> 00:39:39,795 Speaker 1: what did move the needle was this message. Nearly half 574 00:39:39,835 --> 00:39:42,755 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's cabinet have refused to endorse him. When 575 00:39:42,795 --> 00:39:45,355 Speaker 1: Trump learned during the Capital riot that his supporters were 576 00:39:45,355 --> 00:39:47,795 Speaker 1: threatening to kill his own vice president, he said so 577 00:39:47,915 --> 00:39:50,675 Speaker 1: what and refused to do anything to assure the vice 578 00:39:50,715 --> 00:39:54,675 Speaker 1: president was safe. Republican governors, senators, and House members have 579 00:39:54,715 --> 00:39:57,635 Speaker 1: all said the same thing. We can't give Trump another 580 00:39:57,675 --> 00:40:03,075 Speaker 1: four years as president. Crystal continues, as soon as the 581 00:40:03,075 --> 00:40:06,275 Speaker 1: message turned from an abstract argument against Trump into an 582 00:40:06,435 --> 00:40:11,235 Speaker 1: unambiguous case that Trump's own former allies were making against him, 583 00:40:11,395 --> 00:40:15,835 Speaker 1: it became the single most persuasive line tested by Blueprint. 584 00:40:15,995 --> 00:40:19,395 Speaker 1: It was stronger even than abortion rights and social security. 585 00:40:19,435 --> 00:40:22,515 Speaker 1: In other words, hearing about Trump's on fitness from people 586 00:40:22,515 --> 00:40:25,475 Speaker 1: who worked with him and from Republicans one would expect 587 00:40:25,475 --> 00:40:31,075 Speaker 1: to defend him seems to make a difference. I think 588 00:40:31,115 --> 00:40:35,155 Speaker 1: the takeaway here is pretty obvious. Crystal concludes. Voters have 589 00:40:35,235 --> 00:40:38,995 Speaker 1: become inured to many shocking things about Trump, but maybe 590 00:40:39,035 --> 00:40:41,275 Speaker 1: the one thing that can shake them out of that 591 00:40:41,555 --> 00:40:45,675 Speaker 1: torpor is people who knew or worked with Trump stepping 592 00:40:45,755 --> 00:40:52,475 Speaker 1: up to make the case from their own experience. I 593 00:40:52,515 --> 00:40:59,955 Speaker 1: wonder who he means. I will also suggest in conclusion 594 00:40:59,955 --> 00:41:04,955 Speaker 1: that however slowly they work, words can work. They are 595 00:41:04,995 --> 00:41:08,315 Speaker 1: not the solution, but they open doors to the solution. 596 00:41:08,875 --> 00:41:13,315 Speaker 1: On this podcast, starting in September twenty twenty two, I 597 00:41:13,395 --> 00:41:16,155 Speaker 1: began one night by saying these words, we must face 598 00:41:16,195 --> 00:41:19,235 Speaker 1: the reality that Trump is America's hitler. We must use 599 00:41:19,275 --> 00:41:22,755 Speaker 1: the real words. There are no more dog whistles as 600 00:41:22,795 --> 00:41:25,155 Speaker 1: of now, as of this weekend, as of this morning, 601 00:41:25,315 --> 00:41:28,675 Speaker 1: they have begun to salute him as others saluted Hitler. 602 00:41:28,795 --> 00:41:30,635 Speaker 1: They have begun to play the music and chant the 603 00:41:30,675 --> 00:41:33,795 Speaker 1: slogans of QAnon. They have begun to weave in the 604 00:41:33,835 --> 00:41:37,715 Speaker 1: sing song melodies of the televangelists and the Christo fascists. 605 00:41:37,915 --> 00:41:43,195 Speaker 1: They have stopped pretending, So too, must we stop pretending. 606 00:41:43,475 --> 00:41:52,155 Speaker 1: America's Hitler is here. John Kelly knows this. John Kelly 607 00:41:52,235 --> 00:41:54,875 Speaker 1: is now the embodiment of the Trump cabinet members who 608 00:41:54,915 --> 00:41:59,835 Speaker 1: all know this, who appear in the Blueprint focus group. 609 00:41:59,955 --> 00:42:04,515 Speaker 1: It is time for John Kelly to call the news conference. 610 00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:10,355 Speaker 1: He and America's other real patriots, real generals, real bureaucrats, 611 00:42:10,435 --> 00:42:13,635 Speaker 1: even real political operatives. They can get up there and 612 00:42:13,755 --> 00:42:17,395 Speaker 1: tell what they heard and give the forces of democracy 613 00:42:18,315 --> 00:42:24,515 Speaker 1: a slightly better chance. On November fifth, name names general, 614 00:42:25,755 --> 00:42:35,155 Speaker 1: and the names are Trump and Hitler. Good morning, good afternoon, 615 00:42:35,155 --> 00:42:39,395 Speaker 1: good night, and good luck. 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