Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Getty. Who doesn't
Speaker 2: want to turn into a radio show that does a
Speaker 2: deep dive on Humphrey's Executor, which is just a great phraser,
Speaker 2: a great name for a legal case, Humphrey's Executor. It
Speaker 2: all gets down to whether or not a president of
Speaker 2: the United States can fire certain people that are in
Speaker 2: the executive branch. In theory, as the head of the
Speaker 2: executive branch, you'd think he could fire anybody in the
Speaker 2: executive branch, but you can't because of Humphrey's Executor. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that a little bit because
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's looking at it right now and it
Speaker 2: could have major implications. With Anastasia Bowden who joins us
Speaker 2: on the Armstrong Ngetty Show, she's a senior attorney Equality
Speaker 2: and Opportunity for the Pacific Legal Foundation. We've talked to
Speaker 2: her before. Anastasia, how are you doing today? Yello? What's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: Michael?
Speaker 2: Tell me what's happening? Are you there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Sorry, we must had her wrong button pressed
Speaker 2: or something like that. How you doing.
Speaker 1: End of the Supreme Court term?
Speaker 3: Which, oh, can you can?
Speaker 2: We try to fix that, Michael, And then we'll get
Speaker 2: back to her. We're gonna ask her a little bit
Speaker 2: about we're coming to the end of the Supreme Court term.
Speaker 2: Maybe hang up and try a different line. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: get a different sell because sometimes, isn't that funny how
Speaker 2: that works? Away? Have you ever done that? Sometimes if
Speaker 2: you just hang up and call back, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you get a different cell tower or a different
Speaker 2: I don't know how cell phones even work, but in
Speaker 2: some it goes from being crappy to perfectly fine. And
Speaker 2: I do that all the time, and I've never understood why.
Speaker 2: But we're coming to the end of the Supreme Court term.
Speaker 2: Every year in June, the release oftentimes their most controversial
Speaker 2: decisions come out in June for some reason, and they
Speaker 2: announced them and then they head to the hills and
Speaker 2: nobody can ask them a question about it, and when
Speaker 2: then we all debate them on cable news shows as happening.
Speaker 2: How are things looking, Michael? Nope, Ify, Well, that's disappointing
Speaker 2: since what I was planning to talk about this entire
Speaker 2: segment was talking to Anastasia Boden. I was going to
Speaker 2: ask her about Anastasia. Why you named Anastasia? Is it
Speaker 2: your mom's I did your parents fight over it? Did
Speaker 2: it drive them apart? Or questions like it? Things are
Speaker 2: looking good, Okay, let's try again. Moved outside? Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: Thanks Anastasia. Stepping outside. You were about to say, I
Speaker 2: think that we're headed into June where the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: releases a lot of their decisions.
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be the most exciting time. It's
Speaker 1: the time we're all waiting for. There's only thirty five
Speaker 1: cases left. It's the biggest cases of the term, the
Speaker 1: spiciest ones. Everyone was signed on today to see what
Speaker 1: the court would do. Which opinions they were going to release?
Speaker 3: And what are they do?
Speaker 1: They release two opinions on feel preemption and arbitration. The
Speaker 1: facts are so boring. I feel that even mentioning the topic,
Speaker 1: it's corrid.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Well, first of all, why do they wait
Speaker 2: until the very end to release these Is there a
Speaker 2: strategy there?
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of strategy. I mean,
Speaker 1: these things tend to be divisive and it's not the
Speaker 1: court's fault. It's the government's fault. The government has invaded
Speaker 1: so many aspects of our life that it forces the
Speaker 1: Court into the position of having to rule on very
Speaker 1: controversial things, and so people are naturally outraged. So the Court,
Speaker 1: you know, they want to wait to the end before
Speaker 1: they're going to go to summer recess. But also because
Speaker 1: these things are so controversial, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of back and forth behind the scenes at the Court.
Speaker 1: You know, they're writing descents, they're trading the opinions, they're
Speaker 1: making alterations. So it's just a technical, you know, procedural
Speaker 1: thing as much as it's a strategic thing.
Speaker 2: So we're I don't know if you heard me mentioned
Speaker 2: at least briefly Humphrey's Executor and doing my dumb guy
Speaker 2: explanation of what it means. But it is kind of
Speaker 2: weird that we have a branch of government where the
Speaker 2: person at the top of the president has a bunch
Speaker 2: of agencies in his branch and he can't touch them,
Speaker 2: at least in theory. Because of that Humphrey's Executor executive ruling,
Speaker 2: and that's what they're looking at.
Speaker 1: That's right. This is actually one of the good cases.
Speaker 1: This is a big, big case because it would overturn
Speaker 1: you know, one of a very big case in constitutional law,
Speaker 1: been on the book since nineteen thirty five that says
Speaker 1: that Congress can limit the president's ability to fire people
Speaker 1: in the executive branch. And Congress says, hey, these are
Speaker 1: independent agencies. Like independence is a good thing.
Speaker 3: But the problem is.
Speaker 2: And what branch then their own special fourth branch.
Speaker 1: I don't understand that's exactly right. We don't want buocrats
Speaker 1: to be independent. We want them to be politically accountable.
Speaker 1: And if they don't answer to the president, who do
Speaker 1: they answer to? No one there, they're not elected, they
Speaker 1: don't answer to the people. So we need them to
Speaker 1: answer to the president so that if they do something bad,
Speaker 1: we can hold the president accountable and vote him out.
Speaker 1: So years ago the Supreme Court blessed this scheme where
Speaker 1: Congress can insulate bureaucrats from presidential accountability no matter what
Speaker 1: they do. And now we're going to hear whether that's
Speaker 1: a violation of the separation of powers and whether the
Speaker 1: Constitution requires that the president be able to fire people
Speaker 1: in the executive branch.
Speaker 2: Well, at first blush, it seems to me that yes,
Speaker 2: the president should have the ability to do that, and
Speaker 2: they should be responsible to voters in that way. The
Speaker 2: best examples to me being a lot of the environmental stuff.
Speaker 2: So Congress passes these laws that are very broad. Lets
Speaker 2: the agencies get into the specifics of it, but then
Speaker 2: aren't accountable to anybody, which is horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and make no mistake, Congress likes this scheme, right.
Speaker 1: They pass these broad laws, they kick it off to
Speaker 1: the aureucrats and they go, hey, go and force them.
Speaker 1: And then you know, they Congress has no political accountability either.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we didn't do it the bureaucrafts. Blame
Speaker 1: the bureaucrats, right, so there're as much to blame as anyone.
Speaker 2: Congress ends up being to blame for lots of these days,
Speaker 2: don't they They.
Speaker 1: Do, and yet they seem to evade any accountability for it.
Speaker 1: They just throw up their hands and say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: too hard to get anything pass. Oh it's the bureaucrats.
Speaker 2: Oh the present. I really like your style, you know,
Speaker 2: as it kind of an aside, do you think there's
Speaker 2: any getting out of this situation where we are currently,
Speaker 2: where Congress doesn't do their job, which causes the president
Speaker 2: to go with a lot of you know, executive orders,
Speaker 2: which is a bad way to govern and only lasts
Speaker 2: as long as each presidency, or it ends up getting
Speaker 2: thrown to the Supreme Court where they end up in
Speaker 2: the most controversial spot because Congress won't do it. Is
Speaker 2: there any way out of this?
Speaker 1: I mean, the only way out of it is if
Speaker 1: the people start holding their representatives account to themselves into
Speaker 1: the constitution. But I think we've gotten to this place
Speaker 1: where a lot of people feel helpless, They feel very
Speaker 1: disconnected from Congress. They feel like there's nothing they can do,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's just time for us to
Speaker 1: realize we absolutely can and we have to demand more
Speaker 1: of them. And you know that we have to also
Speaker 1: demand Think about all the scandals that are plaguing Congress,
Speaker 1: and I think we kind of roll our eyes now
Speaker 1: it seems kind of run of the mill. This is
Speaker 1: not run of the mill, So we have to do
Speaker 1: something about that.
Speaker 2: I would agree, And that the stats I've always liked
Speaker 2: around this is Congress regularly pulls very low lower now
Speaker 2: than it's ever pulled before for both parties, Like it's
Speaker 2: in the teams or twenty percent, but like ninety five
Speaker 2: percent of Congress people get reelected.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem too, is you know that the
Speaker 1: whole machine is set up for incumbency. So it's true
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of hurdles to changing it. But
Speaker 1: you know, I remain optimistic.
Speaker 2: So if the Supreme Court decides, you know what, the
Speaker 2: president can fire these people. They're in the executive branch.
Speaker 2: He's the top executive. He can fire them. Any downside
Speaker 2: to that, anything you're worried about. I mean, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Fire them, you know, I mean, fire them all. But
Speaker 1: I don't think really missing anything. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: to realize that the principle wins out that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the people who oppose this type of thing,
Speaker 1: they tend to oppose it in a particular administration. So people,
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on who's in power, and they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we have to let them be independent. But the principle
Speaker 1: is there, and I think the principle of separation of
Speaker 1: powers and accountability to the people, I think that's going
Speaker 1: to win out over.
Speaker 2: The long run. Yeah, the idea of all these commissions
Speaker 2: getting to write their lines of basically law because they
Speaker 2: were giving a broad law that lets them write the
Speaker 2: you know, the lines of whatever you guys call it
Speaker 2: code or something like that. The rules. I guess it's
Speaker 2: the rules and all these different commissions that we all
Speaker 2: have to follow in the then there's no there's no
Speaker 2: way for us to push back.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 1: Intimate details of our life. Gas stoves, Greek yogurt, dishwashers,
Speaker 1: you know, things that we use every day, and so
Speaker 1: absolutely they should be accountable tests.
Speaker 2: Excellent example gas stoves and Greek yogurt. Hey, Anastasia Boden,
Speaker 2: we appreciate your time. Do they Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for clarifying that. I love that.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's good. Pacific Legal Foundation Senior Attorney, Anastasia Boden,
Speaker 2: She is fantastic. If you can bring that sort of
Speaker 2: whimsy to the hump freeze executor ruling, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: a special talent right there. But we did create this
Speaker 2: like weird kind of fourth branch that's all these agencies
Speaker 2: that they get handed off, like we said, a very
Speaker 2: broad law. Tim Sander, for our other legal friend, talks
Speaker 2: about this a lot of time. Congress will will pass
Speaker 2: a law that basically says you know, don't do any
Speaker 2: bad things. And then they get to fill in the
Speaker 2: rest these agencies, and they're not answerable to anybody. Nobody
Speaker 2: can fire them, and so they can decide, you know what,
Speaker 2: gas stoves are the worst thing that ever happened to the
Speaker 2: human beings. We got to get rid of gas stoves
Speaker 2: like what according to who? We don't like that, But
Speaker 2: there's no pushback, and maybe after the Supreme Court ruling
Speaker 2: there will be. They will have to worry about public
Speaker 2: opinion when they make these decisions, or they will lose
Speaker 2: their jobs, which is the way it should work. That's
Speaker 2: fantas fantastic. Get a special gold star to anastage, or
Speaker 2: send her an Armstrong and Getty oven Mitt or something
Speaker 2: to let her know how pleased I was with her
Speaker 2: apparents Okay, do I have an ad I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: do here? Michael?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Awesome? Well cool, Well then we will take a little
Speaker 2: break and I'll come back with something much lighter. Stay tuned.
Speaker 4: Alec Murdo's double murdered drama still has it all. A
Speaker 4: new trial ahead gives new life to this Southern Gothic saga.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't never hurt Maggie Murden.
Speaker 3: I would never hurt Paul Murder under any circumstances.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had people in my real life bringing this
Speaker 2: up to me when the news broke yesterday that this
Speaker 2: guy uh got his conviction overturned, killed his wife and kid,
Speaker 2: or at least that's what he was convicted of. Just
Speaker 2: a horrible thing. And then the ability to sit there
Speaker 2: in the court room and remember when he was crying
Speaker 2: little pau Pau. I would never do that, and he
Speaker 2: he's found guilty of it, and there's plenty of evidence
Speaker 2: that he did it. What a scumbag, What a psychopath. Anyway,
Speaker 2: here's more from the CBS report than what happened yesterday.
Speaker 4: Murda denied killing his wife and son in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Prosecutors claimed he shot them to distract from embezzling millions
Speaker 4: from his law firm and vulnerable clients. South Carolina Supreme
Speaker 4: Court unanimously vacated those murder convictions, leading county clerk Becky
Speaker 4: Hill for shocking jury interference, denying Murdau his right to
Speaker 4: a fair when deliberations began, For example, Hill allegedly told
Speaker 4: the jurors, well, this shouldn't take us long.
Speaker 2: She later wrote a tell all book about the case,
Speaker 2: What an Idiot. Wow, There's more.
Speaker 4: Alec Murda's lawyers said they looked forward to a new trial,
Speaker 4: which prosecutors promise and is coming. We believe we have
Speaker 4: a duty to obviously pursue justice to all means. Have
Speaker 4: you been surprised by the never ending fascination with this case.
Speaker 3: It's a fascinating case.
Speaker 4: I mean every single time that you thought it couldn't
Speaker 4: get stranger.
Speaker 3: Or more interesting, it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were so many angles to it that made
Speaker 2: it fascinating the whole. I know what I'll do to
Speaker 2: distract from these business problems is I'll murder my wife
Speaker 2: and son and then everybody will feel all guilty about
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. And what a freaking psychopath. He
Speaker 2: did that to get out of his trouble from stealing
Speaker 2: from various friends and people he's working with. And as
Speaker 2: Joe pointed out yesterday, one of the things that he
Speaker 2: did over the many years is he was an attorney
Speaker 2: and he would take on people like you know it
Speaker 2: had had something horrible happen to them, and he would
Speaker 2: sue and get them money. They deserved the money and
Speaker 2: they got the money because they were a victim of
Speaker 2: some sort of awful thing that you know, the wood
Speaker 2: chipper company did cause them to get their arm eaten
Speaker 2: off by a wood chipper. And then he would get
Speaker 2: a million of dollars, and then he would steal it
Speaker 2: from them, He'd steal the money. He was just he's
Speaker 2: just all kinds of a scumbag, leading to the worst
Speaker 2: of it, being willing to shoot his wife and son
Speaker 2: in cold blooded murder. Then what about this clerk who
Speaker 2: just couldn't keep her mouth shut. Another weird twist in
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Oh and then the angle that I
Speaker 2: think was the initial hook is that he and his kids,
Speaker 2: like his kids, had some mysterious ories too, where that
Speaker 2: it looked like they were out boting, hammered, drunk and
Speaker 2: somebody ends up drowning, but no charges are ever filed
Speaker 2: because they were such a powerful family in that part
Speaker 2: of South Carolina. His kids got away with acting like lunatics.
Speaker 2: He got away with acting like lunatics his dad and
Speaker 2: his grandpa. That's how many generations in your old boy
Speaker 2: South were able to either have cops on the payroll
Speaker 2: or judges or payoff juries or whatever. They did for
Speaker 2: years and years and years to live that lifestyle. There
Speaker 2: needs to be a long form book or movie made
Speaker 2: about that someday. But I think our big concern for
Speaker 2: most of us was when we all heard it had
Speaker 2: been overturned, that he was going to get away with
Speaker 2: it and get out, and apparently he's not actually going
Speaker 2: to get out because he's still got all the other
Speaker 2: crimes that he was guilty of. They're just going to
Speaker 2: have to retry it and we'll go through this again.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story. So that's that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say anything, just that. If you listen to the show regularly,
Speaker 2: you know Katie Green, Katie Katie the news Lady, Katie Green,
Speaker 2: the news Machine. She hasn't been here for a while.
Speaker 2: She went on maternity leave, if you know what maternity
Speaker 2: leave is, and she talked a lot about over the
Speaker 2: last six months or so, her due date being roughly
Speaker 2: May the twelfth, which was two days ago, and she
Speaker 2: has been missing. So I won't put any finer a
Speaker 2: point on that. But she is coming on in just
Speaker 2: a few minutes to make an announcement, so stick around
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for triplets.
Speaker 2: Oh, did she have a baby? I don't know. Did
Speaker 2: she have a baby? We don't know. Triplets. You'd have
Speaker 2: thought they'd have picked that up on the ultrasound, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: That'd be a surprise him the lead back in the
Speaker 2: day when they had no idea and you'd go in thinking, boy,
Speaker 2: am I ready for parenthood? And you'd find out you
Speaker 2: got two or three or five? Oh my god, that'd
Speaker 2: be so crazy. Not only did you not know if
Speaker 2: it was a boy or a girl, you didn't know
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be raising one baby or five all
Speaker 2: of a sudden. Not that that happened a lot, how
Speaker 2: much time I got my go I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want to start into this story or not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one minute I was doing I got a regular conversations
Speaker 2: about a variety of different things that I'll talk about
Speaker 2: with chatbots, you know, like maybe you want to buy
Speaker 2: a house, and do you think this would be a
Speaker 2: good idea, this be a good idea, or do I
Speaker 2: need to get this house fixed up this much to sell?
Speaker 2: Or what a blah blah. You have these conversations, and
Speaker 2: have you ever had this experience where you push back
Speaker 2: on these chatbots every time I push back on a
Speaker 2: chat bot, it caves, and I just wonder if other
Speaker 2: people have that experience, Like I pushed back on a
Speaker 2: point that chatbot make and I just told they're completely wrong,
Speaker 2: and why that's fair? Pushback honestly you're right, that you
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and then explains how you were right.
Speaker 2: Does anybody else have that experience with the chatbots where
Speaker 2: every time you push back at caves. That's not a
Speaker 2: very good sounding board, is it? If every time you
Speaker 2: tell them they're wrong, they say, I agree, I agree
Speaker 2: you you're right, I am wrong? Anybody do that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Text line four one five two nine five KFTC or
Speaker 2: if there any chapbots that stand their ground. I kind
Speaker 2: of like a chat butt that stands its ground and says, no,
Speaker 2: here's why you're wrong, armstrong and geddy.
Speaker 3: Katie Kay the news babe, bring it to the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A smile, stal right, a stostal life. You can't
Speaker 2: help but stop and stick can't help but stop and stare.
Speaker 4: Breaking stories with us. She gotta gift, So Katie.
Speaker 3: Katy the news lady, you're all glad.
Speaker 2: Oh man, with a smile so bright and something or other.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember the lyrics, but that
Speaker 2: is really good. That's a song I made about Katie Green. Katie,
Speaker 2: Katie the news lady who joins us. Now, Katie, you
Speaker 2: have a special announcement to make.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm alive and baby Donovan is here and he's
Speaker 3: doing great.
Speaker 2: You had a baby.
Speaker 3: I had a baby.
Speaker 2: And this was expected, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is very well planned out.
Speaker 2: This. You know, you've seen those shows pregnant and didn't
Speaker 2: know it or they'll just the yeah, what was it?
Speaker 3: What did we say? It was like, oh, so you're
Speaker 3: not just stupid and.
Speaker 2: Fat right now? Though we've been talking to if you're
Speaker 2: just if you've this the first time you've ever listened
Speaker 2: to the show. Yes, Katie has been talking about her
Speaker 2: and her husband starting a family and the whole pregnancy
Speaker 2: and everything for a very very long time. Anyway, what
Speaker 2: do you want to tell us?
Speaker 3: Your mom now?
Speaker 2: Which is very very exciting. Congratulations, what's the move?
Speaker 3: Thank you? The mood is great. I the whole you know,
Speaker 3: first time I'm especially first time moms. They're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, make sure you create a birth plan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: shred it there there's no way to know. But I
Speaker 3: was in labor actively for twenty six hoursoh and this
Speaker 3: little dude, I have been telling all the nurses that
Speaker 3: I pictured him like a cat over a bathtub. He
Speaker 3: just didn't you know. I was on all sides, didn't
Speaker 3: want to come out. I like it here, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want to see the world here. It's crap. So
Speaker 3: so finally, after twenty six hours, my doctor looked at me,
Speaker 3: He's like, you haven't nothing's changed at all. And so
Speaker 3: I finally just opted for a sea section, which, wow,
Speaker 3: that was an experience. I've never imagined being sliced basically
Speaker 3: and half way awake.
Speaker 2: You were awake for that. I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: sea sections because I and I have to do it,
Speaker 2: and I have no reason to read up on them
Speaker 2: since I didn't have to deal with it. So you
Speaker 2: were awake, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the initial plan was obviously to have a natural birth,
Speaker 3: but not natural in this sense. I wanted all the drugs,
Speaker 3: so I had an epidural, and then they decided to
Speaker 3: take out the epidural and put in I guess, a spine.
Speaker 3: They called it a spinal so it numbed me basically
Speaker 3: from mid chest to my toes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would want whatever they gave Michael Jackson, just
Speaker 2: short of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. But they they
Speaker 3: did that, and they numbed me out and wheeled me
Speaker 3: back to the or and my doctor was just freaking incredible.
Speaker 3: But I got wheeled into the r at seven pm
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and Donovan's official time of birth when they
Speaker 3: got him out of me was seven point fifty seven.
Speaker 3: But I was awake for the whole thing, and you it,
Speaker 3: it's wow.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't even imagine, and uh.
Speaker 3: You know, and there was no there was no sharp
Speaker 3: pain or anything like that, but you can definitely feel
Speaker 3: the pressure playing in the tug. Drew said he saw
Speaker 3: he saw the doctor remove all of my insides and
Speaker 3: place them aside.
Speaker 2: Holy crazy. Yeah, I don't. I honestly don't know if
Speaker 2: I could have watched that. Good on your husband, I guess,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessary. He sees your insides,
Speaker 2: He's now seen your liver, so he's you know, he
Speaker 2: knows what that looks like. Yeah, it's probably cute and blonde.
Speaker 3: Like you, yeah, or or damaged. One of the two. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She looked at it and he was like what he
Speaker 3: was like, I saw all of your insides outside of you,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, well wow yeah. And then
Speaker 3: they got Donovan out and they had to take him
Speaker 3: over to the nick you because he had some fluid
Speaker 3: in his lungs and whatnot. But they took him over
Speaker 3: there at you know, eight pm, and he was back
Speaker 3: in our room with us doing just fine by three am.
Speaker 3: And he's just darling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic. That is. That is a cute baby.
Speaker 2: And I know everybody says that. I don't always say that.
Speaker 2: I just say nothing because sometimes babies look weird and
Speaker 2: it's not there doesn't mean they're not gonna be cute later.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, they've been crunched up on a
Speaker 2: body forever, and your baby looks like the kind of
Speaker 2: baby that you want to put on like a baby
Speaker 2: food jar or some.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that, and I'm so with you on
Speaker 3: like the alien baby thing. I've had that conversation so
Speaker 3: many times where it's like, oh, look, how cute that
Speaker 3: baby is. I'm like, no, no, it's not. It will be,
Speaker 3: but right now it is. That's not cute. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: happens he's he's he's definitely. All the nurses who have
Speaker 3: come in have been like, oh my gosh, he's actually
Speaker 3: really cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's a very cute baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Put him on Instagram and I'll put him on
Speaker 3: the I'll put him on Twitter and stuff so you
Speaker 3: guys can can see him if you're not on the
Speaker 3: on the Gram.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the whole, now you're a mom's stuff. Uh,
Speaker 2: how are you feeling physically since you were a split open?
Speaker 3: I feel shockingly I've been I mean I'm up walking,
Speaker 3: uh paily talking to you right now. I've been trying
Speaker 3: to spend limited time in bed. They they've been actually
Speaker 3: kind of like, hey, you need to lay down and
Speaker 3: chill out a little bit more than you are. But
Speaker 3: my pain level, you know how they give you that
Speaker 3: stupid ooh the scale of one to ten. I've been
Speaker 3: between a two and a three and I think I five,
Speaker 3: like once, yeah, okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: You're I assume you're your organs are back inside you.
Speaker 2: I assume, I sure hope so, and the right order
Speaker 2: and the right order yeah place. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was weird that I burped and a
Speaker 3: part of my intestine came out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: But you know whatever, that is pretty funny that you're
Speaker 2: because I know you and your uh, your husband like
Speaker 2: to have a drink now and then it's funny he
Speaker 2: got to see your liver and check out. Okay, I
Speaker 2: guess we got a few good years left.
Speaker 3: We do. We've got a solid few more trips to
Speaker 3: the bar.
Speaker 2: So it's having lived through it a couple of times.
Speaker 2: It's beyond words, but best you can do with words.
Speaker 2: Becoming a parent, parenthood so far, it.
Speaker 3: Is a love that I didn't know was even possible.
Speaker 3: He you know, it's it's I want to do anything
Speaker 3: and everything I can for the rest of my life
Speaker 3: to protect this little guy. And he's just he's completely
Speaker 3: melted both of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is stunning. I remember having this conversation with
Speaker 2: my wife at the time. It was like shocking and
Speaker 2: not shocking to us. At some point when I had
Speaker 2: this conversation about like if the house caught on fire,
Speaker 2: I'm getting the kids out and if you get out, fine,
Speaker 2: and I will help once the kids are out. But
Speaker 2: the kids are getting out, the kid is getting out,
Speaker 2: and you're the second priory and we're both like yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree completely, Get the kid up, don't worry about me,
Speaker 2: and you know, and that doesn't happen until and it
Speaker 2: becomes so natural. It's not like an intellectual decision. You
Speaker 2: couldn't do it any other way. Something kicks in in
Speaker 2: the in the brain when you have a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, when they took him after the
Speaker 3: C section, I didn't I didn't get to hold him,
Speaker 3: I didn't get to touch him, I didn't get to
Speaker 3: do anything. I was laying on the operating table and
Speaker 3: they took him and so I had to go into
Speaker 3: recovery for two hours. And so now it's ten PM
Speaker 3: and I still have not seen my son, and so
Speaker 3: they agreed that they would wheel me back to the
Speaker 3: nick You to go see him. And they were all
Speaker 3: kind of joking with me because I had just had
Speaker 3: a C section and I pretty much got up off
Speaker 3: the table so I could just hold his hand, oh
Speaker 3: and see him. And Drew, Yeah, Drew had to actually
Speaker 3: grab the back of my my darling robe that they
Speaker 3: put me in and get me to lay back down
Speaker 3: because I tried to stand up because I just wanted
Speaker 3: to be with him. But yeah, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: a love that. I didn't. I didn't know it was
Speaker 3: even humanly possible.
Speaker 2: So is is Drew your husband? Is he the sort
Speaker 2: of person that's not squeamish about medical stuff or is
Speaker 2: it just because in the moment he was Okay, I
Speaker 2: honestly don't know if I could watch what you just described.
Speaker 3: You know, he he used to be squeamish, but considering
Speaker 3: his profession, he deals with a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of violence and a lot of blood.
Speaker 2: So I'm okay, sure it was. That makes a difference.
Speaker 3: Now it's gotten a little more natural for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how big was the baby? Yeah? Yeah, Michael's really big.
Speaker 2: He's like a grandma. What he wants to know? How
Speaker 2: big the baby was?
Speaker 3: The baby was fifteen or fifteen? Good grief? Fifteen pounds
Speaker 3: fifteen point no? Good? Yeah, I wouldn't be talking to
Speaker 3: you right now that in case. Five pounds fifteen point
Speaker 3: six ounces and eighteen and a half inches long.
Speaker 2: There you go. Michael probably had one of those prop
Speaker 2: bets on one of those off shore sights. I lost
Speaker 2: twenty bucks expected to be baby Michael. So you were,
Speaker 2: we were all we all been texting a lot. So
Speaker 2: this conversation was through text, and I'm sure your medical
Speaker 2: team is great and they're just doing what all medical
Speaker 2: teams do, but you're having the experience everybody who's ever
Speaker 2: been in the hospital has of the fact that somebody
Speaker 2: comes in every five minutes and interrupts you while you're
Speaker 2: trying to sleep and then says, you get some rest.
Speaker 2: It's important you get some rest. That's the and they're
Speaker 2: gone for like five minutes when somebody else comes in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's happened more times than I can count. My
Speaker 3: favorite one was yesterday though, where she came in taking
Speaker 3: care of stuff. You get some rest. I'll be back
Speaker 3: at six forty and I looked up at the clock.
Speaker 3: I was like six forties and twelve minutes. Yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you mean, get rest?
Speaker 2: I'll get some deep rest over the next ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I wonder why that is a truism for everybody that's
Speaker 2: ever in a hospital wanting to rest. Is because they
Speaker 2: can't coordinate, because you just they can't coordinate them. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's always been my experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's we've had so
Speaker 3: many teams as this has been so funny. Right as
Speaker 3: I was doing that part of this conversation with you.
Speaker 3: There was a nurse in here that wanted to talk
Speaker 3: to me, and they're going to come back, sure, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's just been one after the other. Drew
Speaker 3: had to leave yesterday for like thirty minutes, and I
Speaker 3: think five different departments came in between occupational therapy and
Speaker 3: you know, postpartum depression and all. You know, but they
Speaker 3: are I mean, they are on rotation, coming in here
Speaker 3: one after the other after the other, and you know,
Speaker 3: and also newborns, you know, they have to eat like regularly.
Speaker 3: So we had somebody coming in twice in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night to make sure that I wake him
Speaker 3: up and feed him. And yeah, so I look, I
Speaker 3: look like I haven't slept in about two months. But
Speaker 3: I'm sure ready for it. I know it's not going
Speaker 3: to get any better.
Speaker 2: What you never know, our our first kid slept constantly.
Speaker 2: I remember calling the doctor and saying, calling the advice
Speaker 2: nurse and like, he just keeps sleeping. Is everything, Okay,
Speaker 2: be thankful, enjoy it is what they said, don't Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't worry about it. Sometimes they sleep, sometimes they don't.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been a really good sleeper so far.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. How'd you come up with the name Donovan?
Speaker 2: Is it a family name or what's that all about?
Speaker 2: Because I know people are going to ask.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so first of all, we're both very Irish,
Speaker 3: so it's a strong Irish name. My grandfather's name was
Speaker 3: don Donald and so we went with Donovan. And then
Speaker 3: Jay is my dad's middle name. Cool, so it's Donovan.
Speaker 2: J Speaking of your dad, the judge who's been on
Speaker 2: the show many times, I'm guessing your parents are pretty
Speaker 2: excited about being grandparents.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're so excited. It's and it's been that's that's
Speaker 3: also been an aspect that I wasn't expecting to like
Speaker 3: make me emotional, but like seeing them sitting here and
Speaker 3: my dad he holds he holds Donovan the way he
Speaker 3: held me, and my mom he's gonna go. You gotta
Speaker 3: get a crick in his neck? Yeah, great, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: And then you know, my mom's like give him back
Speaker 3: and no, all right, guys.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Hanson and I Joe's not here today.
Speaker 2: He's playing golf. But Hans and I were amazed that
Speaker 2: you were going to call in because you know, we've
Speaker 2: all been through the experience and not as the mom
Speaker 2: of the whirlwind is that when you have a baby.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's quite a couple of days.
Speaker 2: But appreciate you taking the time to call because so
Speaker 2: many everybody was texting and asking and emailing and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So thanks for filling all the information.
Speaker 3: When you get home, Yeah, today say I'm going home.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna, yeah, they're gonna come in. They've got
Speaker 3: a couple more checks to do on him. They're done
Speaker 3: checking me out. I'm I'm I'm fine. And then they're
Speaker 3: gonna you know, like the car seat things very important.
Speaker 3: You're gonna do all that. Oh and so we we
Speaker 3: took one of the blankets that we swaddled Donovan in
Speaker 3: and we gave it to the girl who is watching
Speaker 3: our dog, Frankie. She's been she's been sending me videos.
Speaker 3: Frankie will not leave that blanket. He's been carrying it
Speaker 3: around the house. He's sleeping on it. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: that's also incredible because I know he knows something's going on. Yep.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, so we're gonna go home, and I've
Speaker 3: been getting so many sweet messages from our listeners and
Speaker 3: you know, the Facebook pages and the Instagram and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. So I'm I'm glad to let everybody know, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm alive. Donovan's alive, Drew is alive. I
Speaker 3: didn't kill him either, so we're all good for some reason.
Speaker 2: So it blew my mind, though it still does. Just
Speaker 2: the idea that you drive to the hospital the two
Speaker 2: of you, and you leave there's three of you. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, yeah, And then you get home it's
Speaker 2: like yeah, because when you're at the hospital you got
Speaker 2: all that help constantly and everything like that. You're home,
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, now it's just us and kind of
Speaker 2: winging it here.
Speaker 3: And my dad, my dad was saying so on Monday,
Speaker 3: before I went in to be induced, I went to
Speaker 3: the gym with my dad. He goes, hey, so just
Speaker 3: to let you know, I know that you've had a
Speaker 3: couple of moments of like are you going to be
Speaker 3: a good mom? Which I have. I've had a couple
Speaker 3: of like oh my god, what am I doing? You know?
Speaker 3: He goes, just wait until you get home. That's when
Speaker 3: the real yea, what the f yeah moment is going.
Speaker 2: To hit true if it's something, because you're so protected
Speaker 2: in the hospital with all that medical care around, and
Speaker 2: then you get home it's like, okay, all right, here
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I have this giant red button where if
Speaker 3: anything has happened where I'm even remotely unsure, I hit
Speaker 3: that and somebody comes running. Now I am the big
Speaker 3: red button, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, everybody, very very happy for you, and go
Speaker 2: spend time with your baby.
Speaker 3: All right. I will thank you guys, and.
Speaker 2: Drive home with your hazard lights on. Good plan, Michael. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Katie, abso more on the way. I stay here.
Speaker 2: So I broke one of my own rules there with Katie.
Speaker 2: If you're just joining us, we just talked to Katie Green,
Speaker 2: our news person we've had for a very long time.
Speaker 2: She just had a baby, first child, and it's all
Speaker 2: excited about it. In good story. I broke one of
Speaker 2: my rules. I don't talk about future stuff with new
Speaker 2: parents because I didn't like it when people did it
Speaker 2: with me. Because I just let people have their own experience.
Speaker 2: Don't don't tell me, wait till this happens, wait till
Speaker 2: that happens. RelA to just let people have their experience.
Speaker 2: It's my own. I don't know if Joe would agree
Speaker 2: with us or not. He's not here, but anyway, because
Speaker 2: I brought up just for the show, the idea that
Speaker 2: when you get home with your kid in the first
Speaker 2: time you walk in the door, in the door closes
Speaker 2: and you're there with your baby is like, Wow, it's
Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable at the hospital when I knew
Speaker 2: that emergency help was this close as opposed to being home.
Speaker 2: But that is quite the feeling. But also getting in
Speaker 2: the car and you start driving, You've never driven quite
Speaker 2: the same way as you do the first time you're
Speaker 2: pulling out of a driveway with your brand new baby
Speaker 2: in the back seat, Like, is that person gotta stop?
Speaker 2: Are they stopping?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: You don't usually you're just looking at your phone driving around.
Speaker 2: Who cares? You got a baby in the car for
Speaker 2: the first time? It changes. It's final tho ho twys
Speaker 2: soon well your comments and tin us yas.
Speaker 3: Closure ah the show.
Speaker 2: Well, there's only two of us here to give final thoughts.
Speaker 2: I'm your host for final thoughts and I'm half of
Speaker 2: the final thoughts. But Michaelangelo running the board there, what's
Speaker 2: your final thought? Michael, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to hearing about Katie's stories on the show.
Speaker 2: With her kid. Yeah, that will be good. It'll be
Speaker 2: my final thought. That will be good for Joe and
Speaker 2: I to relive and all you listeners who either have
Speaker 2: never done it or have done it, just to go
Speaker 2: through the whole process of all the things that happen
Speaker 2: from the moment you get home through through raising a kid.
Speaker 2: It's good stuff, very exciting. It'll be interesting to see
Speaker 2: as happens with everybody. Your your views of what you
Speaker 2: care about, what you don't care about change as a
Speaker 2: parent also, and which is going to happen. An effect
Speaker 2: on our politics in the future is less and less
Speaker 2: people have kids. I'll tell you that AnyWho subject for
Speaker 2: a different day. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling
Speaker 2: four hour work day. We got all sorts of stuff
Speaker 2: at Armstrong and Getty dot com at the store, like
Speaker 2: our Enforce the Law t shirt, which we really love.
Speaker 2: You should get one of those and wear it with pride. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I was fun talking to Katie, so happy for her.
Speaker 2: Lots of good stuff. See you next time. God bless America.
Speaker 2: I'm strong and getchy. There's a fantastic podcast that you
Speaker 2: gotta listen to every day. It's got Jack and Joe,
Speaker 2: Katie and Michael Langelo.
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