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Speaker 1: No, thanks to Robert.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jess Cosavetto, executive producer of the Netflix series Dancing for

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Speaker 3: the Devil The Seven M TikTok Cult. This documentary explored

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Speaker 3: the story of Robert Shin, the La based Cha Kinda

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Speaker 3: Church in seven M Films. Shin founded Chakina Church over

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Speaker 3: two decades ago before establishing seven M and is named

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Speaker 2: And I'm Kalia Gray, former member of Chakina Church and

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Speaker 2: seven M Films.

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Speaker 3: In this episode, we sit down with Melanie Lee, a

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Speaker 3: key figure from Dancing for the Devil the Seven M

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Speaker 3: TikTok Cult documentary, but with a special twist. This time,

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Speaker 3: Kevin X seven M member at Kaliah's husband is co hosting.

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Speaker 3: They reminisce about the last time they saw each other,

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Speaker 3: and Melanie offers her perspective on gaining independence, rebuilding, and

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Speaker 3: finding healing. They also talk about community members they've crossed

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Speaker 3: Melanie shares her experience of watching others leave after her,

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Speaker 2: Hi. Everybody, welcome to forgive me for I have followed.

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Speaker 2: I'm here. I brought my husband Kevin to work today

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Speaker 2: and we are here with Melanie Lee.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. Welcome back, Welcome back to Kevin,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. For you, we just wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me and it's always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: Do you guys run into the seven M dancers? I

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Speaker 2: So funny before we left, when we lived north Ridge,

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Speaker 2: Right? And it's interesting to think about because he had

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Speaker 2: Lee, I want to ask, like, what has your relationship

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Speaker 1: Hopefully well not everybody, but hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you come out stronger better than you will before, learn.

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Speaker 1: From your mistakes. Yeah. Absolutely, that's dope.

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Speaker 4: It gives me a comfort you know, of how many

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Speaker 4: He said, both yeah, And he said, man, I had

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Speaker 1: And but that was some comfort, even.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that we're cult, Like it was

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh, you have to get permission from your

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Speaker 1: It's all these little things, all these little things. Or

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Speaker 1: That's culty, you know, that's all. It's all culty. So

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Speaker 1: I'm like so glad that people are. If you're brave

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Speaker 1: out to Kevin and saying, hey, Kevin, like I went

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Speaker 1: then showing you know something about us. So that to me,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't even have to like say anything,

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Speaker 4: it's just them seeing it, you know. And always shoot

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Speaker 4: them to Kalia because I'm like, if you really want

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Speaker 4: Like two weeks ago somebody said, bro, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when can we pick you up? We'll bring a bat. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, So it's you know, it's a good reminder.

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Speaker 2: Like this is why we sat down and did the

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Speaker 1: That the situation they should get out of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a PSA. If you feel like you're situation,

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Speaker 2: We have to start a nonprofit.

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Speaker 1: Now in the middle of the night, they'll come and

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Many thanks to Kevin for participating in such a powerful conversation.

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Speaker 3: It was so moving and beautiful to see the three

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Speaker 3: of them all in the same room. And next week

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Speaker 3: we have more from Melanie. See you then. This is

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Speaker 3: Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Speaker 2: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from

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Speaker 2: wv Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Michael to podcast Network,

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Speaker 2: hosted by me Khalia Gray and me Jess Cossabetto. Forgive

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Speaker 2: Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Burlson

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Speaker 2: and Sophie Spencer Zavos.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, Myself, Warmer Balderama, Leo Klem,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Burlison at wv Sound.

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Speaker 2: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original

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Speaker 2: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. For more podcasts

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Speaker 2: from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 2: you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 3: See you next week, See

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Speaker 1: You next week,