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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Bunker. So, folks,
Speaker 1: it is apparent right if you were watching the news,
Speaker 1: if you are just stepping outside of your front door,
Speaker 1: that America Europe is in a climate crisis. What is
Speaker 1: making me so absolutely fucking livid is that the casual
Speaker 1: nature with which broadcasters anchors discuss the heat is if
Speaker 1: it's something that is, oh, just go grab a popsicle
Speaker 1: and like, oh, dip in a pool and everything will
Speaker 1: be great. The fact that no one outside of climate
Speaker 1: scientists who have been ringing the alarm bell on how
Speaker 1: ten fifteen twenty thirty years ago, we could prevent what
Speaker 1: we are experiencing right now is so like just rage
Speaker 1: inducing you have right now, the temperatures that we are
Speaker 1: seeing in Europe are thirty degrees above their norm. Yesterday
Speaker 1: the UK had its hottest day ever, like since you know,
Speaker 1: it's inception, since the sixteen hundreds. This is not something
Speaker 1: to just shrug off and say, oh, everything goes up
Speaker 1: and it comes down. It's not. And the reality is
Speaker 1: is at already hundreds of people have died across Europe
Speaker 1: because of the heat condition they're building infrastructure, the way
Speaker 1: that the UK and Europe are set up with the
Speaker 1: fact that I think they said in the UK five
Speaker 1: percent of households have air conditioning. Why because on average
Speaker 1: this time of year for their entire existence, since they've
Speaker 1: been recording, temperatures has been in the seventies. So it's
Speaker 1: in the seventies and that's normal. And the way that
Speaker 1: you build buildings like then you're comfortable. Right you are
Speaker 1: talking now in some places hitting well above a hundred degrees,
Speaker 1: young people, older people being at risk for heat stroke. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to take that over back to the United
Speaker 1: States where we are where yesterday a majority of the country,
Speaker 1: a majority of the country, we're seeing temperatures well above
Speaker 1: ninety degrees and in certain areas well above one hundred degrees. Again,
Speaker 1: I want us to think about our produce, livestock, the
Speaker 1: workers that work on these farms and in these fields
Speaker 1: in order to bring to your local grocery store the
Speaker 1: things that you need to sayciate yourself and your family.
Speaker 1: We are already seeing because of inflation, the fact that
Speaker 1: when you go to the grocery store these days, your
Speaker 1: dollar does not go as far as it used to.
Speaker 1: That package of chicken thighs or that you know, bundle
Speaker 1: of broccoli is now eighteen to twenty percent higher than
Speaker 1: it was last year. Right, So now I want us
Speaker 1: to add on top of that the inability to have
Speaker 1: enough water to feed the livestock, to water the produce,
Speaker 1: to be able to continue on with our same weight
Speaker 1: of production. As it comes to food. And now think
Speaker 1: about climate change and the fact that things are going
Speaker 1: to get much much more expensive, and it isn't going
Speaker 1: to be because of inflation. It is going to be
Speaker 1: because of the climate change impact is having on our
Speaker 1: food production, and not just in this country, but around
Speaker 1: the world. Because when you're going to your grocery store
Speaker 1: and you're able to get avocados all fucking year around,
Speaker 1: or we're able to get tomatoes all year around, or
Speaker 1: you're able to get you know, this grocery store has
Speaker 1: cheaper meat than this one, that is no longer going
Speaker 1: to be the case. And again, we have continued to
Speaker 1: talk about climate change or argue about the reality of
Speaker 1: climate change, and we've allowed Republicans and people like Joe
Speaker 1: fucking Cole Mansion to to co op the conversation so
Speaker 1: that they can continue being funded from big oil and
Speaker 1: big coal. And the reality is they're fucking killing us.
Speaker 1: The ignorance is actually killing us, because there are actions
Speaker 1: that can be taken. And the Supreme Court just fucking
Speaker 1: decided right before this heat wave began that the EPA
Speaker 1: has no authority whatsoever to be able to set regulations
Speaker 1: for CO two emissions. So the Supreme Court has taken
Speaker 1: away the Environmental Protection Agency's ability to actually regulate the
Speaker 1: pollution that is going into our air, has cut off
Speaker 1: the federal government at the knees in so many different ways,
Speaker 1: all for what we're all going to breathe the same
Speaker 1: fucking polluted air. We're all going to be scounging around
Speaker 1: in the grocery store for that last little bit of
Speaker 1: lettuce or that last little bit of whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: The fact that folks, in my conversation with Jonathan that
Speaker 1: we have today is with regard to a new report
Speaker 1: that has come out that are saying that the life
Speaker 1: expectancy of people that are living in Trump Country in
Speaker 1: Red States is down five to seven years. We are
Speaker 1: a developed fucking nation. By the way, I will ask Jonathan,
Speaker 1: and you will hear me say, when was there another
Speaker 1: time that life expectancy in the United States backslid? And
Speaker 1: he said World War One? When I tell you that
Speaker 1: we are in such compounded crises, this is what the
Speaker 1: fuck I am talking about. Not only are we dealing
Speaker 1: with COVID now, climate change is at an all time high.
Speaker 1: The other day I realized, as I'm, you know, in
Speaker 1: hanging out over the weekend, that it hasn't rained considerably
Speaker 1: here in New York. We're in a drought. Grass is brown,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can water as much as you want,
Speaker 1: but eventually there's also going to be your water shortage.
Speaker 1: You're getting text alerts from your energy company telling you
Speaker 1: that Hey, there's a lot going on on our grid
Speaker 1: right now, and you may experience blackout and brownouts. Is
Speaker 1: this Bangladesh? Like, what the fuck is going on? And
Speaker 1: why have we allowed ourselves to just accept right that
Speaker 1: in every area, by every metric, the United States is
Speaker 1: backsliding from our democracy to our life expectancy and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. And yet you have these anchors
Speaker 1: and these newscasters and these politicians talking about ship as
Speaker 1: if it's just par for the course. This is a
Speaker 1: fucking crisis. This is a five alarm fire. Why the
Speaker 1: fuck is no one talking about it like it is?
Speaker 1: Because the next thing to come is our water being
Speaker 1: dried up, or corporations deciding to take over more of
Speaker 1: the natural wells, more of the natural springs, and then
Speaker 1: guess what capitalism comes into play, and then it will
Speaker 1: be let the drink water and everybody else is left
Speaker 1: boiling and distilling, where the rest of the country looks
Speaker 1: like Flint, Michigan, which by the way, still doesn't have
Speaker 1: fucking clean water. We are living in really outrageous, dangerous
Speaker 1: and terrifying times. And I wish that each week I
Speaker 1: could bring you some bit of solace, But I got
Speaker 1: to tell you that by the day, by the hour,
Speaker 1: I become increasingly worried about what is happening in this
Speaker 1: country and the fact that you have people like Jonathan
Speaker 1: and others that have been ringing the alarm about what's
Speaker 1: going on, and it's falling on non listening ears. And
Speaker 1: I'm wondering now that people are experiencing this oppressive heat,
Speaker 1: that people are knowing that people are going to die,
Speaker 1: that it is difficult to be able to fill your
Speaker 1: gas tank, go to the grocery store, and put medicine
Speaker 1: in your medicine chest. All at the same time, this
Speaker 1: is becoming like the fucking hunger Games in the United States.
Speaker 1: And that's just around the climate change compacting our economy
Speaker 1: and our ability to put food on the table. You
Speaker 1: add in all of the rights that are being stripped
Speaker 1: away and everybody having a fucking gun, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand where we think that investment into the United States
Speaker 1: or attractiveness is going to stay when people start realizing
Speaker 1: that this is a fucking dangerous place to live and
Speaker 1: travel to, and then that starts to tank, right, Like,
Speaker 1: what is the fucking endgame here that Republicans and quote
Speaker 1: unquote moderate Democrats who are literally gambling with our lives,
Speaker 1: are hoping to get at the end because you can't.
Speaker 1: Unlike what fucking that idiot herschel Walker said, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't maintain a certain pocket of good air and
Speaker 1: clean water. That's not how fucking science works. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel about a
Speaker 1: really eye opening report that has come out to talk
Speaker 1: about life expectancy and what kind of messaging we need
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Speaker 1: So you know that whenever we have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: chat with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel about
Speaker 1: all the ways in which this country is choosing, legitimately
Speaker 1: every single day to die of whiteness, it is a
Speaker 1: good time to get a perspective that we all clearly
Speaker 1: need because the choices that are being made by the
Speaker 1: MAGA class, by racist white America is now actually affecting
Speaker 1: every single one of us. But interestingly enough, Jonathan, according
Speaker 1: to a new study, you say that it is affecting
Speaker 1: their life expectancy in Red states has lowered? Is that? What? So,
Speaker 1: please tell us about this report and what is the latest. Well,
Speaker 1: there was a great article in Scientific American that's making
Speaker 1: the rounds on Twitter now, which even though they didn't
Speaker 1: cite me, which is cool, it basically was dying of
Speaker 1: whiteness brought up to date, right, And so what they
Speaker 1: found was that people in red states and in Trump
Speaker 1: supporting counties in particular, we're dying about four to seven
Speaker 1: years sooner than people in democratic states or liberal enclaves
Speaker 1: or but mostly it was a kind of red state
Speaker 1: blue state kind of comparison. And what they found was
Speaker 1: the data was absolutely I mean, of course it made
Speaker 1: sense for COVID because there were a lot of areas
Speaker 1: where people weren't getting vaccinated and there was no mask
Speaker 1: and no public health and that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: COVID was just the tip of the iceberg that deaths
Speaker 1: from secondhand smoke, gun violence, gun suicide, lack of access
Speaker 1: to healthcare, all these things were leading to dramatic life
Speaker 1: expectancy differences between red states and blue states. And you know,
Speaker 1: every time something like this happens and it's in scientific
Speaker 1: American and I urge people to read it. It's it's
Speaker 1: not one study, it's a culmination of, you know, a
Speaker 1: bunch of research of a bunch of different people. People
Speaker 1: will reach out to me and be like, you're right
Speaker 1: with dying of whiteness. And in a way, part of
Speaker 1: the point, right is that when you I mean, this
Speaker 1: is not rocket science. When you invest in public health infrastructure,
Speaker 1: it prolongs people's lifespans. And the data in this scientific
Speaker 1: American art is just incredible. Right. It's like eight you
Speaker 1: live to seventy seven in Red states versus eighty five
Speaker 1: in Blue states. It's not inconsequential. It's a real data finding.
Speaker 1: But of course, the tragic irony of all this for
Speaker 1: me is if we were on a different planet, like
Speaker 1: planet empathy or Planet reason or planet common sense, you
Speaker 1: would say, oh, man, some of these states are having
Speaker 1: better health outcomes. What can we do to bring that
Speaker 1: to everybody? You know? But instead we're seeing the opposite,
Speaker 1: which is let's take the shit outcomes and let's nationalize those.
Speaker 1: And so all the things from easy access to guns
Speaker 1: leading to more guns, suicide leading to shorter life expectancy,
Speaker 1: to not investing in medicaid expansion leading to poor life expectancy.
Speaker 1: Those policies are now threatening to become nationalized. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole idea that public health should create a health
Speaker 1: blanket over our country is following by the wayside because
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court and because of the politics that
Speaker 1: the dominator right now. So it's just another example. It's
Speaker 1: just interesting when you write a book called Dying of
Speaker 1: Witness that well, basically, to be honest, kind of predicted
Speaker 1: this point about you know, but I want to I
Speaker 1: do want to understand something because just to kind of
Speaker 1: put things into perspective, is if you're talking about a
Speaker 1: decrease in life expectancy of five to seventy years, when
Speaker 1: was the last time something like like that level of
Speaker 1: a shift has happened in this country? Like that is
Speaker 1: that's not Yeah, that's not an instant. It's not an instact.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want people to think like, oh, that
Speaker 1: is kind of like the natural progressions progression of things
Speaker 1: like that's not a normal life expect that's not a
Speaker 1: normal chart to see in a developed country that has
Speaker 1: access to modern medicine, vaccines and all of these things.
Speaker 1: And what you're saying is that this isn't just largely
Speaker 1: about COVID and those the politics of those states in
Speaker 1: their reaction to COVID. This is going across the board
Speaker 1: in terms of health outcomes. And so, you know, let
Speaker 1: me say one thing about that. Let me say one
Speaker 1: thing about that, which is just to reinforce that you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right that we haven't seen a particularly a life
Speaker 1: expectancy drop in in the demographic majority group since World
Speaker 1: War One, right, And the reason that was, first of all,
Speaker 1: of course people were going to war and dying, but
Speaker 1: also world War One people went off to Europe and
Speaker 1: then caught influenza and then brought it back here and
Speaker 1: there was no treatment for it. And so it's really
Speaker 1: been since the nineteen late nineteen teens that we've seen
Speaker 1: something like this. And then of course we had the
Speaker 1: advent of modern medicine. Modern medicine helped us even during
Speaker 1: World War Two when people were still going off to war,
Speaker 1: so we didn't see a drop like this even when
Speaker 1: a lot of people were going off to World War two.
Speaker 1: And so really we're talking about a return to a
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, biological brutality that we really
Speaker 1: thought we'd kind of gotten past because of modern treatments.
Speaker 1: So the thing that what I want to follow up
Speaker 1: with Jonathan is then, I mean, what is the messaging
Speaker 1: around this, Right? You have these red state governors to
Speaker 1: your point, that's you know, the whole point of the
Speaker 1: Republican parties to nationalize brutality, oppression, and harm. Right to
Speaker 1: do as much harm as possible to as many people
Speaker 1: as possible. And when I think about, right, the connectivity
Speaker 1: between your ability to live a long, prosperous, healthy life
Speaker 1: and what happens when people get sicker, the how the
Speaker 1: power structure plays into all of that. How you are downtrodden.
Speaker 1: You can't put food on your table, you can't pay
Speaker 1: your medical bills, you can't do all of these things.
Speaker 1: It is a recipe for authoritarianism, And like can you
Speaker 1: talk about that, like how the how America and these
Speaker 1: states in particular are primed for what we know is coming. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess the question is really like how much do
Speaker 1: we want to And I'm going to be literal and
Speaker 1: graphic die on the hill of public health, right, because
Speaker 1: for us, public health is an aspirational state. Right, public
Speaker 1: health is what we want to live better and healthier lives.
Speaker 1: Modern lives. But I will tell you that I feel
Speaker 1: like in the hands of another ideology. I'm choosing my
Speaker 1: words very carefully. Here. Public health is a bioweapon. The
Speaker 1: absence of right health right and so bad healthcare is
Speaker 1: already the case in a place like Florida or Mississippi
Speaker 1: or Alabama. Crappy gun laws are already the case there.
Speaker 1: But if you inflict that on New York, the whole
Speaker 1: system collapses, right, because so many people depend on writing
Speaker 1: the subway to work and going to Times Square and
Speaker 1: going to Central Park, and tons of guns in those
Speaker 1: areas is just going to collapse the savic infrastructure. And
Speaker 1: so many people in New York get their health insurance
Speaker 1: from the expanded Medicaid that we have in New York City.
Speaker 1: And if the state itself, I mean a single state,
Speaker 1: cannot afford medicaid expansion. We know that from many other examples,
Speaker 1: including in Tennessee with the failure of ten Care, and
Speaker 1: so in a way, taking these policies that have created
Speaker 1: shorter life expectancy, and our goal always was like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's prolong life expectancy in the South. Let's have everybody
Speaker 1: enjoy the fruits of better healthcare and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But the reverse of that is if the South can
Speaker 1: inflict its shit policies on the North, then the North
Speaker 1: collapses in a way. This is a war of Southern aggression,
Speaker 1: is what we're kind of feeling right now. And it's
Speaker 1: being fought on the battle of health, on the terrain
Speaker 1: of health policy. Why don't you think that this is
Speaker 1: being message in the way that it needs to because
Speaker 1: this is alarming, right, Like this should set off alarm bells,
Speaker 1: you know, across the country, regardless of whether or not
Speaker 1: you live in a red state or a blue state.
Speaker 1: And so is what is not happening with regard to
Speaker 1: the messaging about how devastating this type of so backsliding
Speaker 1: is happening. Not only are we not only are we
Speaker 1: for the first time as our democracy having been noted
Speaker 1: as backslide, but now our life expectancy is backsliding. And
Speaker 1: these two things are not mutually exclusive, And so how
Speaker 1: should this be messaged? Well, if you think about life,
Speaker 1: expectancy is not always a goal in the context of
Speaker 1: theaters of power. And so I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: so our grapes in a minute here, But first I'll
Speaker 1: just say that you can think about murtyrs, for example,
Speaker 1: or mercenaries or like people. There's a lot of different
Speaker 1: examples you can give if people willing to trade their
Speaker 1: health or their well being for power or money or
Speaker 1: authority foot and so in a way, bad health policy
Speaker 1: is a weapon, right that is going to destabilize the Libs,
Speaker 1: you know, in a way. And so I think that
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're up against, and I think
Speaker 1: people probably don't don't see it that way. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this our Grapes part is I mean that
Speaker 1: wasn't this our Grapes part Jonathan Grapes part as personal right?
Speaker 1: Because after dying a Whiteness came out the book I
Speaker 1: was going to write afterwards called the War of Southern Aggression,
Speaker 1: and it was about this exact point that actually bad
Speaker 1: health policy was being used as a weapon to destabilize
Speaker 1: the North. And um, but I don't, like I need
Speaker 1: you to to to because I honestly like I need
Speaker 1: this to make more sense, and I know that it
Speaker 1: is something that is not going to make sense. We
Speaker 1: are one country. So to say that the goal that
Speaker 1: their goal, which I believe you is the destabilization of
Speaker 1: the North, that destabilization is a ripple effects tsunami that
Speaker 1: happens across the country. Who is that good for? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm confused. It's not as if you're saying we're destabilizing
Speaker 1: in the North as a way to reinforce stability in
Speaker 1: the south. That's not the case. So who is it
Speaker 1: good for? Okay, So let me give you an example
Speaker 1: from the book I'm writing now, which is about guns
Speaker 1: and gun policy, because you know, your question is basically
Speaker 1: who benefits from this? And so part of the story,
Speaker 1: right is think about what the Supreme Court just did.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court just overturned New York's gun laws and
Speaker 1: said New York has no right to or any anybody
Speaker 1: who has a gun law that says we're going to
Speaker 1: regulate who can carry a gun in public, that states
Speaker 1: don't have the right to do that. Now we know
Speaker 1: from very detailed metrics what happens when you overturn permit laws,
Speaker 1: because we have examples of for example, Kansas City, Missouri,
Speaker 1: my hometown that used to be a very integrated, diverse
Speaker 1: downtown area. Lots of people live downtown. I live downtown
Speaker 1: during med school, and the idea was basically, here's all
Speaker 1: this cool integration that's going to be happening. And the
Speaker 1: minute they overturned Missouri's permit laws and basically the state
Speaker 1: couldn't regulate who who carried a gun. Anybody could buy
Speaker 1: a gun and anybody had the right to carry it.
Speaker 1: It led to dramatic increases in all kinds of I mean,
Speaker 1: in my book, I talked about gun suicide, but also
Speaker 1: led to increases in different kinds of violent crime, for example.
Speaker 1: And so what that led to was dramatic white flight
Speaker 1: from the downtown area. For example. Sly James, who was
Speaker 1: the mayor of Kansas City, pleaded to have some kind
Speaker 1: of gun regulations or things like that because so many
Speaker 1: people were dying or shooting or all these kind of things.
Speaker 1: And so it led to a dramatic kind of racial
Speaker 1: divide in Kansas City. That honestly, I mean, Kansas City
Speaker 1: has always had a hard time with that issue, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't the case the way it is now.
Speaker 1: It led to segregation in a way, It led to
Speaker 1: more economic inequality, and it led to an effect kind
Speaker 1: of gated communities in a way. Atlanta as another example,
Speaker 1: when Georgia overturned its gun laws. There was a people
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it when you could actually carry a gun
Speaker 1: to the to the Atlanta airport, which was huge news
Speaker 1: about ten years ago. And what happened is the same thing.
Speaker 1: Concentrated low income areas that became less safe for a
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, police gunfire, and it led to massive disinvestment.
Speaker 1: And literally there are parts of Atlanta now where white
Speaker 1: wealthy communities have created gated communities with their own private
Speaker 1: police forces. They're not even using the Atlanta police anymore.
Speaker 1: And so in a way this leads to economic inequality
Speaker 1: and segregation. But places like New York, for all its problems,
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles or Boston or DC, even though of
Speaker 1: course there's tremendous racial problems, police problems, of violence problems,
Speaker 1: but in a way, there also is a kind of
Speaker 1: ethos of you know, bike lanes connecting neighborhoods and subways
Speaker 1: and public transportation, all that kind of stuff. All that
Speaker 1: kind of falls apart. And so if you just take
Speaker 1: what happened to Kansas City or Atlanta and apply that
Speaker 1: to New York, it's it's undoable, Like there's no New
Speaker 1: York if that happens. And so in a way. This
Speaker 1: is a targeted missile directed at population centers, liberal population centers.
Speaker 1: It's a racial but to do like to do so,
Speaker 1: then again I say who wins, right, because if everyone
Speaker 1: is it, because it's not just yeah, I guess the rich.
Speaker 1: We can turn America into parable of the sower and
Speaker 1: the rich have the ability to have their walled off communities,
Speaker 1: but they still need to go outside of those walled
Speaker 1: off communities in order to access basic things like to
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, like to go to a restaurant,
Speaker 1: like to go or do all of these things. So
Speaker 1: there if you're creating an environment where no one anywhere
Speaker 1: is safe with the target of trying to burst liberal bubbles.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that this goes back to if
Speaker 1: you care about nothing else, becoming an economic issue that
Speaker 1: is one that is not fixable. Because if I'm working
Speaker 1: from home, I'm living in a gated community, I'm no
Speaker 1: longer going out. I fear to do all of these things.
Speaker 1: I'm not spending money, right, Like I am actually put
Speaker 1: in a position to hoard because I feel so unsafe
Speaker 1: right and like so I'm trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: I am Alito and fucking Clarence Thomas and these people
Speaker 1: that are on the bench making these decisions that are
Speaker 1: disrupting everything. Like there, you're talking about places that we
Speaker 1: know hold a lot of American debt, like China, like
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, like whomever, that buy up real estate in
Speaker 1: these areas that will no longer be doing that because
Speaker 1: this environment will be incredibly unsafe. So I'm like confused
Speaker 1: again about who is winning other than gun manufacturers for
Speaker 1: a very short period of time. Well, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that you nailed it right. On one hand. In Dying
Speaker 1: of Whiteness, I showed that when Tennessee didn't expand Medicaid,
Speaker 1: the life expectancy of the entire state fell, And that's
Speaker 1: because all the resources for healthcare went toward emergency room care,
Speaker 1: which is much more expensive because people didn't have health insurance,
Speaker 1: and they came in when they were much sicker, and
Speaker 1: the problems they came in with were much more expensive,
Speaker 1: and so ultimately everybody suffered except for the wealthiest people
Speaker 1: and corporations. Similarly, when you let gunt, I mean, imagine
Speaker 1: the arms race that's going to happen in New York
Speaker 1: and Los Angeles and Boston. When the effects of this
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision filter down, it's going to be a windfall,
Speaker 1: a windfall for gun manufacturers, for the n RA, for
Speaker 1: the organizations that are seen as supporting I mean, the
Speaker 1: NRA in twenty sixteen gave what like forty million dollars
Speaker 1: to Trump, and that's probably much more than we even
Speaker 1: There's much more of that than we even realized. And
Speaker 1: so in a way, this is a particular power grab
Speaker 1: that is economic and political, and it's honestly death to
Speaker 1: the idea of the country in a way. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful day out my window, you know, it's July.
Speaker 1: But I will say that this Scientific American article like
Speaker 1: it just every so often this kind of thing pops up,
Speaker 1: right because there'll be an article then even though again
Speaker 1: I'm not in this article, but a million people right
Speaker 1: to me and be like, your thesis about dying of
Speaker 1: whiteness is right, and how come people aren't voting for
Speaker 1: their public health? And I'm like, don't think about it
Speaker 1: in terms of America. I think about it in terms
Speaker 1: of Putin. Right, Putin doesn't care about public health. He's
Speaker 1: just putting his people in a meat grinder destroying his
Speaker 1: economy in the idea of beating the opposition and taking
Speaker 1: power and russifying the Ukraine. And that's kind of that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we're faced with now. It's just people
Speaker 1: for reasons that are understandable, like we don't have a
Speaker 1: history of that kind of conflict in our lifetimes, but
Speaker 1: that is kind of what we're up against. And so
Speaker 1: I feel like these numbers, these public health numbers, are tragic,
Speaker 1: but they're also a warning sign for people to recognize
Speaker 1: the ideology that you're up against. Right It's not about
Speaker 1: life expectancy, it's about power. And so again, I know
Speaker 1: this is very doom and gloom, but it's just very
Speaker 1: much on my mind because the same thing keeps happening
Speaker 1: when these articles come out, and then people are like,
Speaker 1: what will it take to talk people into healthcare? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not the right question. The right question
Speaker 1: is like, what will it take for you to recognize
Speaker 1: the struggle you're in right now? Where life expectancy, your
Speaker 1: life expectancy is is what's at risk. So I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: Right this is this was as always incredibly eye opening
Speaker 1: and equally as depressing because I don't really see any
Speaker 1: recourse to be taken. I don't see a democratic party
Speaker 1: that recognizes the strategy and that we are at war
Speaker 1: um against this party, against this you know, dying of
Speaker 1: whiteness mentality. Uh. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: no one is going to win, right, even though even
Speaker 1: those that are doing their greed power grab like it
Speaker 1: won't last, right, It never does. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: history tells us. And so I'm like, this set up
Speaker 1: of failure right now is extraordinary. And then not to
Speaker 1: have conversations about it, not to be bringing the alarm
Speaker 1: about it, uh, not to be connecting the dots either
Speaker 1: leads me to believe that you are complicit or you
Speaker 1: were ignorant, and either way that is dangerous. As always, Jonathan,
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