WEBVTT - They're Killing Us 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:02.360 How would you like to be able to remember names 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.040 after you hear them once, or focus on a task 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.200 without looking up until it's done. Whenever you want support 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.239 from memory and mental sharpness, Alpha Brain can help. With 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.160 more than one million bottles sold date on its newtrophic 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.440 supplement is the leader in its category. Alpha Brain's blend 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.720 of amino acids and plant compounds promotes cognitive functions including memory, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.520 mental speed, and focus, and supports flow state that feeling 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:41.680 of being in the zone. By yours at Walmart today. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.760 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay f Daily with 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.400 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Bunker. So, folks, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.120 it is apparent right if you were watching the news, 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.720 if you are just stepping outside of your front door, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:04.360 that America Europe is in a climate crisis. What is 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.360 making me so absolutely fucking livid is that the casual 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.200 nature with which broadcasters anchors discuss the heat is if 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.960 it's something that is, oh, just go grab a popsicle 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.080 and like, oh, dip in a pool and everything will 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.880 be great. The fact that no one outside of climate 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.320 scientists who have been ringing the alarm bell on how 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.760 ten fifteen twenty thirty years ago, we could prevent what 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:41.400 we are experiencing right now is so like just rage 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.640 inducing you have right now, the temperatures that we are 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:53.240 seeing in Europe are thirty degrees above their norm. Yesterday 0:01:53.600 --> 0:02:01.720 the UK had its hottest day ever, like since you know, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:07.920 it's inception, since the sixteen hundreds. This is not something 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.600 to just shrug off and say, oh, everything goes up 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.200 and it comes down. It's not. And the reality is 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.240 is at already hundreds of people have died across Europe 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:23.560 because of the heat condition they're building infrastructure, the way 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.040 that the UK and Europe are set up with the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.800 fact that I think they said in the UK five 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.000 percent of households have air conditioning. Why because on average 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.160 this time of year for their entire existence, since they've 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:42.480 been recording, temperatures has been in the seventies. So it's 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.600 in the seventies and that's normal. And the way that 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:49.840 you build buildings like then you're comfortable. Right you are 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.600 talking now in some places hitting well above a hundred degrees, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:01.919 young people, older people being at risk for heat stroke. Now, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.320 I want to take that over back to the United 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.960 States where we are where yesterday a majority of the country, 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.840 a majority of the country, we're seeing temperatures well above 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:20.000 ninety degrees and in certain areas well above one hundred degrees. Again, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.560 I want us to think about our produce, livestock, the 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.880 workers that work on these farms and in these fields 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.960 in order to bring to your local grocery store the 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:36.040 things that you need to sayciate yourself and your family. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.760 We are already seeing because of inflation, the fact that 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.160 when you go to the grocery store these days, your 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.520 dollar does not go as far as it used to. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.600 That package of chicken thighs or that you know, bundle 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.240 of broccoli is now eighteen to twenty percent higher than 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.720 it was last year. Right, So now I want us 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.440 to add on top of that the inability to have 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:07.720 enough water to feed the livestock, to water the produce, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.080 to be able to continue on with our same weight 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.160 of production. As it comes to food. And now think 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.520 about climate change and the fact that things are going 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.120 to get much much more expensive, and it isn't going 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.640 to be because of inflation. It is going to be 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.200 because of the climate change impact is having on our 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.359 food production, and not just in this country, but around 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.080 the world. Because when you're going to your grocery store 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.640 and you're able to get avocados all fucking year around, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.359 or we're able to get tomatoes all year around, or 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.960 you're able to get you know, this grocery store has 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.320 cheaper meat than this one, that is no longer going 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.479 to be the case. And again, we have continued to 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.520 talk about climate change or argue about the reality of 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.239 climate change, and we've allowed Republicans and people like Joe 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.560 fucking Cole Mansion to to co op the conversation so 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.000 that they can continue being funded from big oil and 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.320 big coal. And the reality is they're fucking killing us. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.680 The ignorance is actually killing us, because there are actions 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.679 that can be taken. And the Supreme Court just fucking 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.080 decided right before this heat wave began that the EPA 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.760 has no authority whatsoever to be able to set regulations 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:29.320 for CO two emissions. So the Supreme Court has taken 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:36.480 away the Environmental Protection Agency's ability to actually regulate the 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.239 pollution that is going into our air, has cut off 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.839 the federal government at the knees in so many different ways, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.839 all for what we're all going to breathe the same 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.040 fucking polluted air. We're all going to be scounging around 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.680 in the grocery store for that last little bit of 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.880 lettuce or that last little bit of whatever. I mean. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:02.320 The fact that folks, in my conversation with Jonathan that 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.599 we have today is with regard to a new report 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.520 that has come out that are saying that the life 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.760 expectancy of people that are living in Trump Country in 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.520 Red States is down five to seven years. We are 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.000 a developed fucking nation. By the way, I will ask Jonathan, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.440 and you will hear me say, when was there another 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.840 time that life expectancy in the United States backslid? And 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.480 he said World War One? When I tell you that 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.320 we are in such compounded crises, this is what the 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.880 fuck I am talking about. Not only are we dealing 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.160 with COVID now, climate change is at an all time high. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.600 The other day I realized, as I'm, you know, in 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.280 hanging out over the weekend, that it hasn't rained considerably 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.880 here in New York. We're in a drought. Grass is brown, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.080 you know, and you can water as much as you want, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.240 but eventually there's also going to be your water shortage. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.719 You're getting text alerts from your energy company telling you 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.320 that Hey, there's a lot going on on our grid 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.800 right now, and you may experience blackout and brownouts. Is 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.880 this Bangladesh? Like, what the fuck is going on? And 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.960 why have we allowed ourselves to just accept right that 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.440 in every area, by every metric, the United States is 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:28.360 backsliding from our democracy to our life expectancy and so 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.800 on and so forth. And yet you have these anchors 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.960 and these newscasters and these politicians talking about ship as 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.480 if it's just par for the course. This is a 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.160 fucking crisis. This is a five alarm fire. Why the 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.440 fuck is no one talking about it like it is? 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.280 Because the next thing to come is our water being 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.760 dried up, or corporations deciding to take over more of 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.600 the natural wells, more of the natural springs, and then 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.120 guess what capitalism comes into play, and then it will 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.840 be let the drink water and everybody else is left 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.040 boiling and distilling, where the rest of the country looks 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.480 like Flint, Michigan, which by the way, still doesn't have 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:14.360 fucking clean water. We are living in really outrageous, dangerous 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.280 and terrifying times. And I wish that each week I 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.840 could bring you some bit of solace, But I got 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.720 to tell you that by the day, by the hour, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.080 I become increasingly worried about what is happening in this 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.640 country and the fact that you have people like Jonathan 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.760 and others that have been ringing the alarm about what's 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.840 going on, and it's falling on non listening ears. And 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.760 I'm wondering now that people are experiencing this oppressive heat, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.840 that people are knowing that people are going to die, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.160 that it is difficult to be able to fill your 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.400 gas tank, go to the grocery store, and put medicine 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.720 in your medicine chest. All at the same time, this 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.199 is becoming like the fucking hunger Games in the United States. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.360 And that's just around the climate change compacting our economy 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.480 and our ability to put food on the table. You 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.720 add in all of the rights that are being stripped 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.199 away and everybody having a fucking gun, Like, I don't 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.319 understand where we think that investment into the United States 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.800 or attractiveness is going to stay when people start realizing 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.920 that this is a fucking dangerous place to live and 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.880 travel to, and then that starts to tank, right, Like, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.240 what is the fucking endgame here that Republicans and quote 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.840 unquote moderate Democrats who are literally gambling with our lives, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.199 are hoping to get at the end because you can't. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.719 Unlike what fucking that idiot herschel Walker said, you know, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.520 you can't maintain a certain pocket of good air and 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:49.720 clean water. That's not how fucking science works. Coming up next, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.600 my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel about a 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.760 really eye opening report that has come out to talk 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.920 about life expectancy and what kind of messaging we need 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:10.440 around that. Indisputable with Doctor Rashid Ricci is one of 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.800 the latest shows on the TYT Network and also the 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.400 fastest growing news show in America. On his show, Doctor 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.280 Ricci plays no games regarding policy, delivering a heavy dose 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.600 of fact based truth and penetrating analysis on all the 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:29.079 top news stories focusing on racism, criminal and social justice, politics, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.520 police brutality, Karens, and much more. 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Each week on the Gapfest, John Dickerson, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.760 Emily Bathlon and I decipher the headlines, break down the races, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.240 and tell you what issues really matter. We do not 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.719 always agree, We definitely do not always agree, but we 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.959 always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have a good time. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:36.440 So subscribe to Slate's Political Gapfest, new episodes every Thursday, folks. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.920 So you know that whenever we have the opportunity to 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.840 chat with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel about 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.160 all the ways in which this country is choosing, legitimately 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.680 every single day to die of whiteness, it is a 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.559 good time to get a perspective that we all clearly 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.360 need because the choices that are being made by the 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:05.400 MAGA class, by racist white America is now actually affecting 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.920 every single one of us. But interestingly enough, Jonathan, according 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.720 to a new study, you say that it is affecting 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:19.439 their life expectancy in Red states has lowered? Is that? What? So, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:24.720 please tell us about this report and what is the latest. Well, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.200 there was a great article in Scientific American that's making 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.120 the rounds on Twitter now, which even though they didn't 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.240 cite me, which is cool, it basically was dying of 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.960 whiteness brought up to date, right, And so what they 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.079 found was that people in red states and in Trump 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.800 supporting counties in particular, we're dying about four to seven 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:52.320 years sooner than people in democratic states or liberal enclaves 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.640 or but mostly it was a kind of red state 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.920 blue state kind of comparison. And what they found was 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.240 the data was absolutely I mean, of course it made 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.520 sense for COVID because there were a lot of areas 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.920 where people weren't getting vaccinated and there was no mask 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.960 and no public health and that kind of stuff. But 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.840 COVID was just the tip of the iceberg that deaths 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:21.360 from secondhand smoke, gun violence, gun suicide, lack of access 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.080 to healthcare, all these things were leading to dramatic life 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.160 expectancy differences between red states and blue states. And you know, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.880 every time something like this happens and it's in scientific 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.960 American and I urge people to read it. It's it's 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.520 not one study, it's a culmination of, you know, a 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.400 bunch of research of a bunch of different people. People 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.079 will reach out to me and be like, you're right 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.600 with dying of whiteness. And in a way, part of 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.160 the point, right is that when you I mean, this 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.400 is not rocket science. When you invest in public health infrastructure, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.400 it prolongs people's lifespans. And the data in this scientific 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.880 American art is just incredible. Right. It's like eight you 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.800 live to seventy seven in Red states versus eighty five 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.079 in Blue states. It's not inconsequential. It's a real data finding. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.040 But of course, the tragic irony of all this for 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.720 me is if we were on a different planet, like 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.680 planet empathy or Planet reason or planet common sense, you 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.280 would say, oh, man, some of these states are having 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.480 better health outcomes. What can we do to bring that 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.280 to everybody? You know? But instead we're seeing the opposite, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.600 which is let's take the shit outcomes and let's nationalize those. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.280 And so all the things from easy access to guns 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.680 leading to more guns, suicide leading to shorter life expectancy, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.600 to not investing in medicaid expansion leading to poor life expectancy. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.240 Those policies are now threatening to become nationalized. I mean, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.880 the whole idea that public health should create a health 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:59.760 blanket over our country is following by the wayside because 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.360 of the Supreme Court and because of the politics that 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.120 the dominator right now. So it's just another example. It's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.960 just interesting when you write a book called Dying of 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.840 Witness that well, basically, to be honest, kind of predicted 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.640 this point about you know, but I want to I 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.400 do want to understand something because just to kind of 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.840 put things into perspective, is if you're talking about a 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.080 decrease in life expectancy of five to seventy years, when 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.240 was the last time something like like that level of 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.520 a shift has happened in this country? Like that is 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.200 that's not Yeah, that's not an instant. It's not an instact. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.600 Like I don't want people to think like, oh, that 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.840 is kind of like the natural progressions progression of things 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.000 like that's not a normal life expect that's not a 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.600 normal chart to see in a developed country that has 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.600 access to modern medicine, vaccines and all of these things. 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.600 And what you're saying is that this isn't just largely 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.920 about COVID and those the politics of those states in 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.560 their reaction to COVID. This is going across the board 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:12.800 in terms of health outcomes. And so, you know, let 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.200 me say one thing about that. Let me say one 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.800 thing about that, which is just to reinforce that you're 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.880 absolutely right that we haven't seen a particularly a life 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:27.640 expectancy drop in in the demographic majority group since World 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.120 War One, right, And the reason that was, first of all, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.360 of course people were going to war and dying, but 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.960 also world War One people went off to Europe and 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.760 then caught influenza and then brought it back here and 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.200 there was no treatment for it. And so it's really 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:51.520 been since the nineteen late nineteen teens that we've seen 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.520 something like this. And then of course we had the 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.640 advent of modern medicine. Modern medicine helped us even during 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.640 World War Two when people were still going off to war, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.440 so we didn't see a drop like this even when 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.240 a lot of people were going off to World War two. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:11.200 And so really we're talking about a return to a 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.840 kind of I don't know, biological brutality that we really 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.240 thought we'd kind of gotten past because of modern treatments. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.520 So the thing that what I want to follow up 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:29.760 with Jonathan is then, I mean, what is the messaging 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.479 around this, Right? You have these red state governors to 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.680 your point, that's you know, the whole point of the 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.280 Republican parties to nationalize brutality, oppression, and harm. Right to 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.200 do as much harm as possible to as many people 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.240 as possible. And when I think about, right, the connectivity 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:55.359 between your ability to live a long, prosperous, healthy life 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:02.399 and what happens when people get sicker, the how the 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:08.200 power structure plays into all of that. How you are downtrodden. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.320 You can't put food on your table, you can't pay 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.439 your medical bills, you can't do all of these things. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:17.040 It is a recipe for authoritarianism, And like can you 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:22.840 talk about that, like how the how America and these 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:30.639 states in particular are primed for what we know is coming. Well, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.560 I guess the question is really like how much do 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.560 we want to And I'm going to be literal and 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.520 graphic die on the hill of public health, right, because 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:46.679 for us, public health is an aspirational state. Right, public 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.600 health is what we want to live better and healthier lives. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.119 Modern lives. But I will tell you that I feel 0:18:55.119 --> 0:19:01.280 like in the hands of another ideology. I'm choosing my 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.320 words very carefully. Here. Public health is a bioweapon. The 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:12.639 absence of right health right and so bad healthcare is 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.080 already the case in a place like Florida or Mississippi 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:21.520 or Alabama. Crappy gun laws are already the case there. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.240 But if you inflict that on New York, the whole 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.440 system collapses, right, because so many people depend on writing 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.320 the subway to work and going to Times Square and 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.640 going to Central Park, and tons of guns in those 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.040 areas is just going to collapse the savic infrastructure. And 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.240 so many people in New York get their health insurance 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:47.360 from the expanded Medicaid that we have in New York City. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.639 And if the state itself, I mean a single state, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:55.640 cannot afford medicaid expansion. We know that from many other examples, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.600 including in Tennessee with the failure of ten Care, and 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.400 so in a way, taking these policies that have created 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.680 shorter life expectancy, and our goal always was like, oh, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.199 let's prolong life expectancy in the South. Let's have everybody 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.880 enjoy the fruits of better healthcare and stuff like that. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.440 But the reverse of that is if the South can 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.520 inflict its shit policies on the North, then the North 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.720 collapses in a way. This is a war of Southern aggression, 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.120 is what we're kind of feeling right now. And it's 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.160 being fought on the battle of health, on the terrain 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.639 of health policy. Why don't you think that this is 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.399 being message in the way that it needs to because 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.240 this is alarming, right, Like this should set off alarm bells, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.520 you know, across the country, regardless of whether or not 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.760 you live in a red state or a blue state. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.840 And so is what is not happening with regard to 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.800 the messaging about how devastating this type of so backsliding 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.280 is happening. Not only are we not only are we 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.040 for the first time as our democracy having been noted 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:04.239 as backslide, but now our life expectancy is backsliding. And 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.000 these two things are not mutually exclusive, And so how 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:13.040 should this be messaged? Well, if you think about life, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.560 expectancy is not always a goal in the context of 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:24.119 theaters of power. And so I'm going to give you 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:25.920 so our grapes in a minute here, But first I'll 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:30.720 just say that you can think about murtyrs, for example, 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.879 or mercenaries or like people. There's a lot of different 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.360 examples you can give if people willing to trade their 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.680 health or their well being for power or money or 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:48.720 authority foot and so in a way, bad health policy 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:53.719 is a weapon, right that is going to destabilize the Libs, 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.800 you know, in a way. And so I think that 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.880 that's kind of what we're up against, and I think 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.040 people probably don't don't see it that way. And I'll 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.520 tell you this our Grapes part is I mean that 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.760 wasn't this our Grapes part Jonathan Grapes part as personal right? 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.320 Because after dying a Whiteness came out the book I 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.880 was going to write afterwards called the War of Southern Aggression, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.840 and it was about this exact point that actually bad 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.200 health policy was being used as a weapon to destabilize 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.840 the North. And um, but I don't, like I need 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.640 you to to to because I honestly like I need 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.840 this to make more sense, and I know that it 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.840 is something that is not going to make sense. We 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:46.120 are one country. So to say that the goal that 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.520 their goal, which I believe you is the destabilization of 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:55.159 the North, that destabilization is a ripple effects tsunami that 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.919 happens across the country. Who is that good for? Like, 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.760 I'm confused. It's not as if you're saying we're destabilizing 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.760 in the North as a way to reinforce stability in 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.000 the south. That's not the case. So who is it 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.600 good for? Okay, So let me give you an example 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.520 from the book I'm writing now, which is about guns 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:18.000 and gun policy, because you know, your question is basically 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:23.359 who benefits from this? And so part of the story, 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.320 right is think about what the Supreme Court just did. 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.560 The Supreme Court just overturned New York's gun laws and 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.320 said New York has no right to or any anybody 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.320 who has a gun law that says we're going to 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.800 regulate who can carry a gun in public, that states 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.040 don't have the right to do that. Now we know 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:47.560 from very detailed metrics what happens when you overturn permit laws, 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.680 because we have examples of for example, Kansas City, Missouri, 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:55.000 my hometown that used to be a very integrated, diverse 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.440 downtown area. Lots of people live downtown. I live downtown 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.520 during med school, and the idea was basically, here's all 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.800 this cool integration that's going to be happening. And the 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:11.040 minute they overturned Missouri's permit laws and basically the state 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.280 couldn't regulate who who carried a gun. Anybody could buy 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.600 a gun and anybody had the right to carry it. 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:22.000 It led to dramatic increases in all kinds of I mean, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.160 in my book, I talked about gun suicide, but also 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.640 led to increases in different kinds of violent crime, for example. 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.120 And so what that led to was dramatic white flight 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.199 from the downtown area. For example. Sly James, who was 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:40.320 the mayor of Kansas City, pleaded to have some kind 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.520 of gun regulations or things like that because so many 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.440 people were dying or shooting or all these kind of things. 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.600 And so it led to a dramatic kind of racial 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.600 divide in Kansas City. That honestly, I mean, Kansas City 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:55.639 has always had a hard time with that issue, but 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.280 it wasn't it wasn't the case the way it is now. 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.960 It led to segregation in a way, It led to 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.000 more economic inequality, and it led to an effect kind 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.960 of gated communities in a way. Atlanta as another example, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.760 when Georgia overturned its gun laws. There was a people 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.040 couldn't believe it when you could actually carry a gun 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:21.320 to the to the Atlanta airport, which was huge news 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.200 about ten years ago. And what happened is the same thing. 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:29.119 Concentrated low income areas that became less safe for a 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:34.240 variety of reasons, police gunfire, and it led to massive disinvestment. 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.720 And literally there are parts of Atlanta now where white 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:42.720 wealthy communities have created gated communities with their own private 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.840 police forces. They're not even using the Atlanta police anymore. 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.120 And so in a way this leads to economic inequality 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.240 and segregation. But places like New York, for all its problems, 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.480 or Los Angeles or Boston or DC, even though of 0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.359 course there's tremendous racial problems, police problems, of violence problems, 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.159 but in a way, there also is a kind of 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:10.320 ethos of you know, bike lanes connecting neighborhoods and subways 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.000