1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: It is a Football Friday Week sixth edition, a welcome 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: back to Indye edition. God Zach Gershman with the Bird Gang. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: So there's Jonathan Gannon's return, Jacobe Brissett's return, but it's 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: the return of Marvin Harrison Junior that has grabbed the 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: most headlines this week. Plus we head into enemy territory 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: and speak with Stephen Holder. He covers the Colts for ESPN, 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: But first a quarterback updates at Cardinals Cover two, episode 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: nine thirty four, and it starts. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Now Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 3: some more Hurry magic whow. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Here's so, Zach got to ask you how you're doing? 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: But I know how you're doing here on this Friday morning. 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: So do we just pivot directly to Cardinals Colts? Or 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: is the distraction having TVs in the studio with one 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: talking about Thursday night football and the other one talking 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: about Major League Baseball going to be a distraction here 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: on this week's or this Friday's episode of Cardinals Cover two. 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: Let's get one thing clear here, the Thursday night football 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: games whatever. Truthfully, it's it's whatever. I didn't even watch 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: majority of it. And that's also because as they're now 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: showing Amri Demercado's run on the TV as well, right 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: behind us. Uh there, I was focused on the game 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: against the who do they play the doctors? You're trying 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: to erase this. 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: It's already in the It's already in the back of 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: your mind. 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. It's been a as a Look, I'm 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: a football guy, but I'm a Phillies fan above all, 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: so that that's my number one sport, that's my number 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: one team. So to see them losing the way that 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: they did on a Day one it's funny because JG 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: was ranting about day one installs when it came to 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 3: formations last weekend, which is understandable. One of the earliest 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: things you install when you're working with your pitchers and 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: PfP drills is to throw the ball to first base 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: on a grounder. And it's something that Ryan Kirkan didn't do, 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: but I give him a lot of credit. He faced 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: the media afterwards, was very accountable. Once again, they're they're 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: talking about the Cardinals loss right now on the TV 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: to Tennessee Titan. Something that a Mario Demercatto did as 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 3: well was hold himself very accountable. But the thing is, then, 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: the biggest difference between the two is Amaro Demercatdo gets 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: to run out on the football field later this week 49 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: and Oryan Kirkan has to wait till spring training. So 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: regardless of which, I'm excited that the Cardinals get to 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: head to Indy. A lot of storylines that are on 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: the line, and we're going to talk all about it. 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm good. I'm good to answer your question. 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: It's been a difficult week for young Zach Kershmin, starting 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: with everyone on Sunday at State Farm Stadium. But now 56 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: again we turn the page. I think it's safe to 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: say we can officially turn the page. Maybe many people 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: have done it earlier in the week, but we can 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: turn the page to Cardinals at Colts ten am is 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: the kickoff five thirty am. Pregame coverage begins. Cardinals two 61 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: and three badly need a win after three straight walkoff 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: losses the Colts four and one and looking every bits 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: as a four win team. But we got to begin 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: because as we speak here on this Friday, we don't know, 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and my guess is we won't know until closer to kickoff. 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: But who is QB one for the Arizona Cardinals. Kyle 67 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Murray did not practice on Wednesday, did not practice on Thursday, 68 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: was out there during the open portion on Friday. However, 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: dealing with a foot issue, Jacob Brissette has seen most 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: or has gotten most of the first team reps. Is 71 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: it K one or is it the veteran Jacoby Brissetts 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: on Sunday in Indianapolis? 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: I think Friday's practice, however, Kyler Murray leaves that practice 74 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: feeling is what the decision is ultimately gonna end up 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: becoming for the Arizona Cardinals and who they end up 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: trotting out there to be QB one in the game 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: against Indianapolis Colts. The way I look at it, though, 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: is we know from our experience covering this team, especially 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: this regime, they're gonna be very careful when it comes 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: to injuries. So if Kyler does not feel that he 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: could plan off his back foot and throw the football round. 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: Like I saw that. There was a doctor on social 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: media talking about if that is the case, and Yeah, 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: that's something that they're gonna need to keep in mind 85 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: this Cardinals team because it drastically changes the way you 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: conduct this offense, which has already drastically been changed with 87 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: the losses of James Conner and Trey Benson and Tip Rman. 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of different things that happen. 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: Who will be QB one not sure, but there's confidence 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: in both those guys, and not just from the coach 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: staff but the guys inside the locker room. They've talked 92 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: about as well. How if it is Jacoby, I'm pretty sure, 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: Marvin said he has one thousand percent confidence in having 94 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: the decade long better in under center. 95 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: Look, the game plan in how you go about attacking 96 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: this Colts defense is not going to change regardless of 97 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: who the quarterback is. Now, depending on who is under center, 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: there might be a play or two or a handful 99 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: of plays that maybe Kyler likes better, or if it's Jacoby, 100 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: he likes better or can execute better a little bit 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: better than maybe a Kyler Murray can. So you might 102 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: see some different play calls as far as what one 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: quarterback is more comfortable with than another. But you go 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: back to when Kyler did get hurts in that third 105 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: quarter against the Titans, came back and as I mentioned 106 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: with Danny on Wednesdays, Cardinals covered to fifteen plays after 107 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: he returned. There were eight dropbacks, seven handoffs, didn't scramble, 108 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: but he did seem very comfortable in the pocket, and 109 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: there was that one deep shot to Michael Wilson that 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: fell incomplete. But it didn't look like outside of the 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: scrambling and doing what Kyler does best, He's not going 112 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Least I don't think 113 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: he will be able to. We'll see about how he 114 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: looks at Friday's practice. But that was the only thing 115 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: that was different in those fifteen plays. You didn't see 116 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: the scrambling or the elusiveness of K one. 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 3: Which this past season you haven't really seen much of it. Anyway, 118 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: when it came to the fourth quarter, one of the 119 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: frustrations that the fan base has expressed, and it's something 120 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: that Drew Petsen was asked about, was the play calls 121 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: on the in the last drive, especially the Cardinals went 122 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 3: up and went and focused on the rushing attack because 123 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: they were hoping that that the Tennessee Titans are gonna 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: go cover zero and then it was going to allow 125 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 3: the Cardinals to crack one open and get that first 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: down because of the even balance between the run game 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 3: and the past game that the Cardinals had. Since Kyler 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: left the game with an injury, I don't, it doesn't 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: seem too strange to me. It doesn't seem like that 130 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: the injury would have altered that. It wouldn't. It doesn't 131 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: seem to me that they would have been in a 132 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: very pass heavy situations versus run heavy situations. It was 133 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: pretty balanced, So in this case, I don't. I don't 134 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: truthfully know just how different Kyler's injury or how much 135 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: of an impact it made, but look it was. It 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: wasn't severe enough that it prevented him from ann back 137 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: out there, because he did. He ran back out there 138 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: and he played the rest of the game, which is 139 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: very You could applaud a quarterback like that for having 140 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 3: that sort of toughness to leave the game with an injury. 141 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: But it was clearly flared up or something must have 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: happened for them to say, all right, well these early 143 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: few days of practice. We're not gonna have you out there. 144 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: We're gonna make sure Jacobe gets his reps. But maybe 145 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: he's progressed along the way. The thing is, we have 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: to say maybe. Because we're not doctors here, we don't know. 147 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: We're not gonna the injury report will come out, Kyler 148 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: will be listed as a limited participant likely, and then 149 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: he'll probably be listed as either a questionable participant on 150 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: for his game status or doubtful or probable one or 151 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: the other. But the Cardinals in this case, they've been 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: trying to play very smart with Kyler and his foot injury. 153 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: It is a storyline to keep an eye on. One 154 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: of many storylines going into this week six matchup in Indianapolis. 155 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon returning back to Indianapolis where he was on 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the Colts' staff. In fact, he and Shane steiken very 157 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: good friends connections with the Philadelphia Eagles. Sorry, but one 158 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: was the OC, one was the d c zach. So 159 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: that is a storyline to pay attention to. As far 160 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: as that chess match between play callers. Although Steikin does 161 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: call the offense, JG relies Onrew Petson to call the 162 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: to Nick Rowlis. Excuse me to call the defense, but 163 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: both JG and Nick kind of know what Shane likes 164 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: to do. Although what you like to do versus what 165 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: you can do based off your personnel can be two 166 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: different things. So that's a chess match to pay attention to. 167 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: When Nick Rolis was the linebackers coach in Philadelphia, I'm 168 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: sure Shane Sykin ran after him and tried doing all 169 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: these different things to try to confuse the Philadelphia Eagles 170 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: linebackers because of Nick Rowlis being one of the youngest 171 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: defensive position coaches out there to then become the youngest 172 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator out there. So it's something that I'm sure 173 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: Nick Rollis has tons of familiarity with and that's going 174 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: to serve them well. Shane Stiken has a style and 175 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: it's something that we're going to talk a little bit 176 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: about with Steven when it comes to utilizing the tight ends. 177 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: It's something I asked Jonathan Gannon about Shane Siken has 178 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: experienced from his time in Philadelphia with the way he 179 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: utilized Dallas Goddard and he was a big part of 180 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: that offense that went to the Super Bowl in twenty 181 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: twenty two. Both jg being the defensive coordinator and Shane 182 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: Stikeen being the offensive coordinator. They battled against what it 183 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: was like when a tight end was kind of the 184 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: guy on a daily basis, Nick rollis, especially those linebackers, 185 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: they're focused on what the tight ends are able to 186 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: do and what they're not able to do. So I 187 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: think this Cardinals team is pretty well prepared and well 188 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: equipped to try to limit this red hot culture offensive 189 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: attack because they're firing on all cylinders right now. 190 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: So JJ back in Indy. Jacoby Brissett back in Indy 191 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: played four seasons with the Colts from twenty seventeen to 192 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, started thirty of forty six games. As we mentioned, 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: if Jacoby does get to start on Sunday, it would 194 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: be his fifty fourth of his career. And then you 195 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: have the return of Marvin Harrison Junior, a little bit 196 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: different kind of a return. His connection is with his father, 197 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Senior, and the years and a Hall of 198 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: Fame career that he had with the Colts. It was 199 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: interesting to hear Marvin Junior talk Wednesday about doesn't have 200 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of memories. He was very young at the time, 201 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: but he does remember when his father went into the 202 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: Colts Ring of Honor. There are certain moments, there are 203 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: certain players that his father played with that there is 204 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: that connection. But he did admit that it is going 205 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: to be emotional for him to go back because he 206 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: did spend a lot of time there, But to go 207 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: back and now have success in the place where his 208 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: father had so much success, I think it's going to 209 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: be fascinating to watch. 210 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: And it's not gonna be the first time he plays 211 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: in that stadium. Yeah, yes, he did not take part 212 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: in the Combine in that stadium, but he's played in 213 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: the Big Ten Championship there. He was at least warmed 214 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: up last year when the Cardinals were playing there in 215 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: the preseason and they had the joint practices in Indy. 216 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: So I feel like the first time emotions of going 217 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: back to Indy might have already been, might have already 218 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 3: disappeared in a lot of ways. But still when you're 219 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: it's different though, when you when you put on the 220 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: chin strap and you put on the helmet and you're 221 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: wearing the jersey and you look up to the rafters 222 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: and you see your your father's name and you remember 223 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: standing on that Horseshoe as he was getting inducted into 224 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: the Ring of Honor and having his number go up there. 225 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: He's the last They haven't retired his number, but he's 226 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: the last wide receiver. I'm pretty sure to wear number 227 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: eighty eight over there in Indianapolis. So you're gonna see 228 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: one eight hoping to play like he was eighty eight 229 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: back in the two thousands era. 230 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: And you hope that again, as we talked about from 231 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: the Thursday night game to the Tennessee game, that that 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: carry over again. It was the first quarter in which 233 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: Marvin had three catches for a season high seventy nine yards. 234 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Seventy eight yards. So okay, again it goes back to 235 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: what we talked about all week long. Okay, well where 236 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: was that in the second, third, and fourth quarters. Can 237 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: you have that kind of an impact all four quarters? 238 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: Probably not, but at least hey be a part of 239 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the offense for all four quarters. 240 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: Well that's why I think you can have that impact 241 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: all four quarters is if you are a part of 242 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: the offense all four quarters. And it's something that Drew 243 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: Petsings and Johnathan Gannon they both said they need to 244 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: get the ball to their playmakers a lot more often, 245 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: and Drew Petsing said he felt like he didn't do 246 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: as good of enough of a job in terms of 247 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: doing that, and that's something that is going to be 248 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: a focus. And it's not just getting Marvin Harrison Junior 249 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: the ball. It's when you do get Marvin the ball 250 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: as often as you might expl or you might want 251 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: to get him the ball, that opens up a lot 252 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: of things for Trey McBride to get the ball. And 253 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: I asked Trey McBride about that as well, and he 254 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: was saying that teams have been guarding Marvin differently, and 255 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: teams have been guarding him Prey differently. It's something that 256 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure has been frustrating for both of those guys 257 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: that they come in. They come in as the two 258 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: main weapons for Kyler Murray or in this case potentially 259 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett, and they come in and they expect and 260 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: they want to get all this production. But you're getting 261 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: guarded in so many different ways that it makes it 262 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: very challenging to pop off on the statuet or to 263 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: generate a lot of these explosives. In Marvin's case, though 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: I wrote about it in Three Big Things, that there 265 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: would not be a better opportunity for Marvin than to 266 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: continue to build off that strong first quarter than to 267 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: do it in the place where his dad made a 268 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: name for himself. Marvin Harrison, the name I Alone, Senior 269 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: or Junior, became a household name, not just at Syracuse, 270 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: but at Indianapolis. 271 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 4: And it's got to start somewhere. 272 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: It's got to start somewhere. But when it really popped 273 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: off and got out of the great state of New York, 274 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: when that happened was in Indianapolis, when PAYM. Manning came 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: to town and seeing how Marvin Harrison see was able to, 276 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 3: you know, utilize his size that he did, he didn't 277 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: really have. That seemed like a disadvantage in a lot 278 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: of ways. And he popped off and became a Hall 279 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: of Famer for a reason. And Marvin Harrison Junior while 280 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: he was young, there's a lot of photos of Senior 281 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: holding him on the field. There's the photo of him 282 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: from the Ring of Honor ceremony as he's wearing the 283 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: jersey that's a little bit too big on him, and 284 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: he's wearing the under armour or Nike's shirt underneath the 285 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: same to match the same blue Peyton Manning's there there, 286 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: There's on gonna be a lot of emotions, and that 287 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: fan base is gonna look at the Cardinals seeing Harrison 288 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: Junior in the back and they're going to say, hmm, 289 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: we wish he was our guy. Because of the history, 290 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: you want those field good stories, but I think in 291 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, the biggest and the best feel 292 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: good story is from Marvin Harrison Junior to have the 293 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: game that we know he's capable of having, with his 294 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: father's name looking over him. 295 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: And coming away with a win. Cardinals two and three 296 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: Colts and one. As I mentioned off the Todd Zach 297 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: and I had the chance to speak with Steven Holder. 298 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: He covers the Colts for ESPN. Here now is our conversation. 299 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: So how surprising is it, Stephen that you're covering a 300 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: four to one Colts team? 301 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 5: Well, I thought there was a path to them having 302 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 5: a good start to the season, a slightly favorable schedule. 303 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 5: They have a good roster, but the quarterback was always 304 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 5: the variable, right, and I thought there was also a 305 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 5: pass to Daniel Jones having some success. But I didn't 306 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: think it would look anything like this. I thought the 307 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 5: path was more likely to be Daniel Jones playing just okay, 308 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: playing acceptable football, and everyone else around him playing really well. 309 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: But what we have seen is a little bit of 310 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 5: the opposite. I mean, the other guys are playing well, 311 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 5: but frankly, Daniel Jones is actually driving a lot of this. 312 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 5: So that is surprising. But yeah, they they were a 313 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 5: very hard team to predict before the season, that's for sure. 314 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: You mentioned the acceptable thought that you have, Well, it's 315 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: been from acceptable to exceptional with the way he has played. 316 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: What is it about this indie system that has allowed 317 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones to kind of have a career revival. 318 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a few things. Number One, he's 319 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 5: definitely in a better place, and I mean that geographically. 320 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: I mean the Giants' roster and you know, supporting cast 321 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 5: that it was definitely inferior to what he's dealing with 322 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 5: now in Indianapolis. There, there's no question about that. So 323 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 5: he's certainly got an upgrade there. I also think that 324 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 5: he has found something in the synergy with his coach, 325 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 5: Shane Stiken. You know, we always talk about coaching quarterback peerings. 326 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: They're really important, and I think sometimes it's not any 327 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 5: shade to any previous coach he had. But sometimes guys 328 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 5: are just good match and this is a good match. 329 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 5: And I think when I look at these two individuals separately, 330 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: I see a lot of one in the other, if 331 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: that makes sense. They have a lot of similar characteristics 332 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 5: and the main one is that they're football junkies and 333 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: that they like to go deep in terms of the 334 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 5: why and how and all the details. They're both really 335 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 5: good at taking that deep dive. And Daniel Jones, I 336 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 5: think he's one of the few quarterbacks who can work 337 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: and think and study on Shane Stiken's level. Shane is 338 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 5: a really high level football thinker and he's found a 339 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 5: guy in Daniel Jones who was a lot like him. 340 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 5: And it's because he studies, he works, he studies, he 341 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 5: puts in the time. He really we always talk about 342 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 5: first being last out. Everybody says it, right, and I've 343 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 5: been guilty of that over the years. Right, it's a cliche. 344 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 5: I'm telling you, it's true. Here, It's the thing everyone 345 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 5: says about this guy. So there's definitely something to that, 346 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 5: and I think that I think, frankly, it matters. It 347 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: matters a lot, particularly when you are working with a 348 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 5: coach like Shange Stikeen. 349 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Jones's ability to spread the ball around. And I know 350 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: Jack wants to ask about Jonathan Taylor, but specifically the 351 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: passing game and the number of different receivers who have 352 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: I believe the number was six different pass catchers one 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five or more receiving yards. Is there 354 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: a number one target or is it Daniel Jones just 355 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: doing a good job and making sure everyone has their touches. 356 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 5: It is a little bit of the latter. Daniel Jones 357 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 5: is going to throw the ball to the open guy 358 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 5: and make the play that makes sense. You know he 359 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 5: does do that regularly, but I would say you're more 360 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 5: than likely to see the most targeted guy be Michael 361 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 5: Pittman or Tyler Warren. However, there have been games where 362 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 5: they've they've flowed differently, right, and it depends on coverages, 363 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 5: and the one thing they won't do is force the 364 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 5: ball to anybody. They don't do that here, and Daniel 365 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 5: Jones doesn't do that. He makes the sensible throw. And 366 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 5: so if a guy's bracketed and he's not open, he's 367 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 5: not going to force the ball to him. Now, if 368 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 5: he has some confidence in the route and in the throw, 369 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 5: that he can make. He will make tight window throws 370 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 5: and he's done that, I think pretty regularly. But he's 371 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 5: not looking to force the ball, So you know, you 372 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 5: can certainly prepare for anything. You know, there was a game, 373 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 5: I think Week three against the Tennessee Titans where before 374 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 5: he was injured, Alec Pearce in that game was their 375 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 5: leading receiver through the third quarter and I think I 376 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: like maybe six catches to that point. He's probably number 377 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 5: three on the depth chart at wide receiver. But yet 378 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 5: that day he was to go to guy and it's 379 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: because that's just the way the coverage rolled, and it 380 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 5: worked out and it made the most sense. So I 381 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: think when you have a guy like Daniel Jones, you 382 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 5: can have days like that because he's just going to 383 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 5: make the play that makes sense. 384 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 3: You mentioned Michael Pittman's name before we even get to 385 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor. It seems like he's had so much success 386 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: on first down. I'm pretty sure he leads the league 387 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: in first down receptions on first down. It's interesting because 388 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 3: I feel like in today's NFL you don't have as 389 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: many quarterbacks that are throwing the ball on first down. 390 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: Why is that part of the game has led to 391 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: so many points for this Colts offense. 392 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is interesting. One of the things 393 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: to expand on that. One of the things they've done 394 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 5: is a lot of times on their opening drives, they're 395 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 5: throwing like consistently on their opening drives of the game, 396 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 5: you know, which is important. That's the possession that is 397 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 5: often very scripted by the head coaches or by the 398 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 5: play callers, I should say, And I've noticed that in 399 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 5: many of their games where they come out in that 400 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 5: first quarter in the opening possession and it's bang bang bang, 401 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 5: throwing the ball very aggressively at times. And I don't 402 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 5: I don't know why that is. But there's a confidence 403 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: in their passing game right now. And the whole idea 404 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 5: that you have to kind of like get the get 405 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 5: the run going and and set up the pass with 406 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 5: the run, they don't adhere to that, at least not 407 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 5: right now. They feel pretty confident in their passing game 408 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 5: and when they feel they have something, they're gonna throw it. 409 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 5: So that includes first down, frankly, and so I think 410 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 5: that's what you're seeing to some degree, and they're just 411 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 5: gonna make the plays that they think are available to them. 412 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 5: Regardless of what, you know, what they're what people think 413 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 5: they're supposed to do in that situation, they don't really 414 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 5: you know, they're not really bound to that for the 415 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 5: most part. 416 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: Steven full transparency here in our cover two. Listeners. 417 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: They know this. 418 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm a Penn Stater and I was a big Tyler 419 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: Warren fan, and that I'm hoping that's a good But 420 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: I had the chance to watch, you know, a time 421 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: that is very fair. That is very fair. I've heard 422 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: it all around this, all around this building, Craig specially, 423 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: he has been giving it to me. And that's and 424 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: that's for sure. But I had the chance, Like as 425 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: a student, a covered Tyler Warren at Penn State. But 426 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: that was when he was behind Theo Johnson who plays 427 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: for the Giants and Brent Strange who plays for the Jags. 428 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 3: And you knew he could be good. But I didn't 429 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: think people. I didn't, I personally didn't think that he 430 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 3: could be league leading number one receiving yards at the 431 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: tight end position type good. Isn't surprising to see just 432 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: how well he's been able to assimilate to the NFL game. 433 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: Well, I I guess I would say this. I didn't 434 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: know what the expectations were necessarily when they drafted him. 435 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 5: But once I saw training camp, I came around because 436 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 5: I saw just the breath of skills that this guy had, 437 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 5: and I think I underappreciated it, maybe like a lot 438 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: of people, you know, before the draft or before the season. 439 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: And what he demonstrated was an ability to be a 440 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: playmaker in so many different ways. And we were told 441 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 5: by Shaan Stikeen, their head coach. We were told pretty 442 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: early on, look, everything he did at Penn State, we're 443 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 5: doing it here. That means run the ball, throw the ball, 444 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: whatever it is, right, catch the ball. Obviously, he's got 445 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 5: an entire package of plays, and they're not all They're 446 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 5: not all pass plays. Okay, I assure you. We've seen 447 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 5: him run the ball as a fullback. We've seen him 448 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 5: take wildcat snaps. He threw a pass last week. I mean, 449 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: he's doing all of it. And frankly, they know what 450 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: they have in this guy, and they don't want to 451 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 5: put any boundaries on what he can or can't do. 452 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 5: So it may have come as a surprise initially, but 453 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: I think now people should really just expect anything from 454 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 5: this guy. And the other thing I would say is 455 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 5: that he's he's such a skilled receiver in this regard, 456 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 5: the way he attacks the football is so underrated. I 457 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 5: think we think about that in terms of like, you know, 458 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 5: you know the Randy Mosses of the world, how they 459 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 5: went up and took the ball out of the year, 460 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 5: and you know, you got Moss and things like that. Right, 461 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: that's obvious. But I think from a tight end perspective, 462 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 5: he does it too in that he has strong hands, 463 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 5: he has a high catch point, and frankly, he just 464 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: never drops the ball. And so he's so reliable that 465 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 5: he's become a focal point of their offense. And I'm 466 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: telling you there's a path right now where he leads 467 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: them and receiving all year. It could definitely be the case. 468 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: See and Stephen, you are speaking my language right now, 469 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: because I'm getting ready to write an article about how 470 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: the Cardinals defense, how they practice against Trey McBride, and 471 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: how that can help them as they get set to 472 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: play a tight end who's one of the main focal 473 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: points of the offense. And Craig Greelu here he just 474 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: thinks it's because of my Penn State bias. 475 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 5: No, listen, I'm telling you it is. It's a real thing. Look, 476 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: they take deep shots with Tyler Warren. I mean, there 477 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: aren't that many tight ends out there. You can say 478 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 5: that about like, you know, a lot of their deep 479 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 5: shots they go to him. It's it's really remarkable to 480 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: see it. I'm telling you, I thoroughly enjoyed it. And 481 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 5: I gotta tell you they went from the least productive 482 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 5: tight end room in the NFL last season to now 483 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 5: the tight end is you know, as we just outline 484 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 5: the focal point of their offense. He's special. He really 485 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: is special. 486 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: All Right, we had Zach have his fun with Tyler Warren. 487 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: I'll ask about Jonathan Taylor because it is impressive here 488 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: in year six, not so much the number of touches, 489 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: but the stats after contact or forcing a mistackle. Just 490 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: is there a difference in him this season that we've 491 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: seen in years pass or is it just the fact that, 492 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, based off how well everything is going, it's 493 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: just elevated everyone's game. 494 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: So that's the exact question I asked him earlier. Was 495 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 5: all right, you're you're you're running the ball really well, Like, 496 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 5: all right, you are a veteran, you've seen a lot, 497 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 5: but like, are you still getting better? What's what's changed 498 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 5: this anything this year? And he said, I've become a 499 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 5: more patient runner. And I think that's a very important point. 500 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 5: It's an astute point because he does he has this 501 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 5: great way of waiting for his blocks to set up, 502 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 5: because look, his offensive line is excellent and he and 503 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: he knows it, but you also can't get ahead of 504 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: get ahead of them, right, And so he has this 505 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 5: this knack for knowing just how long to wait for 506 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: the blocks to set up before he goes into his 507 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 5: go mode. And then he has this uncanny ability to 508 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 5: go from zero to sixty so fast. I think it's 509 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 5: his best quality is that he has this acceleration, whether 510 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: it's from you know, from from maybe making a cut 511 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 5: or coming out of his breaks or whatever it is, right, 512 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 5: he he just has this ability to change direction and 513 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 5: immediately get up to speed and that's why you see 514 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 5: him run away from people. It's really remarkable. And I 515 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 5: mean it's this guy given. It's not something that he 516 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 5: learned or was taught. I mean, he was born with this, right, 517 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 5: but he couples it with just a really great feel 518 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 5: and an understanding of the game. He's a great student 519 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 5: of the game and just a really high level football thinker. 520 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 5: You know, studies hard, puts in the extra time in 521 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: the film room with the offensive line in fact, so 522 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 5: you're seeing the product of all of that in these 523 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 5: big runs he has. But frankly, the big runs are great, 524 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: but one of his greatest attributes is this his ability 525 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 5: to get five, six, seven yards out of a run 526 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 5: that just looks like a nothing run that maybe should 527 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 5: be two or three yards. Taylor turns it into five 528 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: and six yards and that is where he really makes 529 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 5: his money. 530 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: A lot of talk about the offense, and deservedly so, 531 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: but defensively just as good as far as the numbers 532 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: are concerned, the addition of lou Anaimo as far as 533 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: now being that defensive play color. Is it just that 534 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: simple or are you seeing something else within these first 535 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: five games. 536 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 5: That's a big part of it. There's no question they 537 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 5: are the Philosophically, they're a very different defense. And you know, 538 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: they had Gus Bradley here, who's, you know, very accomplished 539 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 5: defensive coordinator in this league the last few years he 540 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: was in Indianapolis. The difference is dramatic in terms of 541 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 5: just philosophy. That was a very static scheme, right, They 542 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 5: weren't disguising, they weren't moving around. They you know, they 543 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 5: they didn't blitz very much. You know, they were you 544 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 5: know what you were getting here. It's the opposite. They 545 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: are going to disguise a lot of coverages. Uh, They're 546 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 5: gonna move guys around. Uh, different different coverages, you know, 547 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 5: just a big a much bigger mix of things you 548 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: have to prepare for. So that doesn't make it better 549 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 5: or worse, but it definitely is different. And I do 550 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 5: think some of the guys have taken to this scheme 551 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 5: a little better. Maybe it suits them better. Right, their 552 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 5: defensive line is starting to come on. I'm seeing the 553 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 5: pass rush I think turn a corner in recent weeks, 554 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 5: because I don't think they started off quite that hot, 555 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 5: but they have gotten i think, progressively better in recent weeks. 556 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: So the guy to watch there is Leatu Latsu, and 557 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 5: if they can get him unlocked, they're really going to 558 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 5: be a unit that can go to the next level. 559 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: He's a second year pass rusher, first defensive player drafted 560 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: last season. He only has one sack and it doesn't 561 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: look like much, but he's getting consistent pressure, and offensive 562 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 5: coaches in the league are having to prepare for him 563 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 5: at this point because he's impacting games. So I like 564 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: what they're doing defensively, and I think they're growing, and 565 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: the back end, they've got a couple upgrades there this year, 566 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 5: guys like Shavarius Ward who comes out of the NFC West. 567 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, they're heading the right direction defensively, and the 568 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 5: numbers are improving for sure. 569 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: Last one for me, on the defensive side of the ball, 570 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: you mentioned Leatu a lot too. I saw you wrote 571 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: an article on ESPN dot com kind of breaking down 572 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: how his pressure rate has doubled nearly since last year. 573 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: That was at least going into last weekend's game. But 574 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: how much of that is just the jump from year 575 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: one to year two for the rookie pass rusher. 576 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: A lot of it is, There's no doubt about that. 577 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, offensive tackles in the NFL 578 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 5: are so skilled, and there's nothing more humbling than being 579 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 5: a rookie pass rusher For a lot of guys, you know, 580 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 5: it's like you're so used to winning those matchups in 581 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 5: college and then you get to the NFL and it's 582 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 5: like a brick wall. It's like, why can't I beat 583 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: this guy? Well, because he's seen every move you have 584 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: a thousand times, right, So he went through that certainly 585 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 5: last year. I don't think always handled it all that well, 586 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 5: a lot of frustration. But he went back to the 587 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 5: lab this passed offseason and he got a lot stronger. 588 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 5: So now you're seeing him add the bull rush. You know, 589 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 5: you can't just be an athlete, you gotta have the 590 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 5: power too. So he has now coupled that power with 591 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 5: just a really strong set of moves for a young guy, 592 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 5: and and he's got a pretty good repertoire now. So uh, 593 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 5: he's definitely coming on. And I think he's starting to 594 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 5: draw some attention. And if he does, then that takes 595 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 5: attention away from defensive tackle the Forrest Buckner, who's one 596 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 5: of the most double team guys in the NFL so 597 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 5: far this year. So you start to have to make 598 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 5: some choices if lots of really starts. 599 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 4: To come on. 600 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: Craig, what a concept to UCLA guy winning. It's crazy. 601 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: We bring it full circle here on our conversation Steven. 602 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Great stuff. We kept you longer than we anticipated, but 603 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: a excellent conversation. Look forward to this matchup and maybe 604 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: this is the week the Cardinals kind of get back 605 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: on track. But it's been interesting from afar to watch 606 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: this Colt team because, as I mentioned off the top, 607 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: this was not a team that many people anticipated, at 608 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: least to the first five games, having four wins and 609 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: being the talk amongst a lot of circles when you 610 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: talk about the National Football League. 611 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, no question about looking forward to it, and I 612 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 5: think it'll tell us maybe a lot about both these teams. 613 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 5: We'll see. 614 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Thank you very much, you got it. 615 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Really enjoyed that, Zach, And of course you're going to 616 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: bring up the Penn State connection. 617 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 4: With Tyler Warren. That was a given. 618 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: But Stephen Holder, by the way, if you want more 619 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: information on the Colts, you can follow him at holder 620 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Steven is his Twitter handle. But we didn't get into 621 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that I had written down because 622 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: it was so in depth with what we talked to 623 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: him about. But it was great to hear because I 624 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: do think it's one of the surprising, feel good, fascinating 625 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: stories at. 626 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: Least the first quarter of the first third of the 627 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 4: NFL season. The fact that Indianapolis is four and one 628 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 4: on the year. 629 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: Who would have thought that Jacksonville and Indianapolis are gonna be, 630 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: you know, two of the top teams in the league. 631 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: And it's a different life that they that they have 632 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 3: inside that building right now, especially at Jacksonville with William 633 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: Cohene taking over and James Gladstone as your general manager. 634 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: And then in Indianapolis there's new life in the sense 635 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 3: that Daniel Jones has come in and he's completely revitalized 636 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 3: that offense so and been kind of that energizer bunny 637 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. And when you look at 638 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, you don't necessarily expect that to be the case, 639 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: which is what we were talking about with Steven, But 640 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: it's been quite remarkable to see how India has been 641 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: able to turn it around. It's not that they felt 642 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: like that they were far off either last year, just 643 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: the AFC South is a little bit of a different 644 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 3: division with the with the different teams that they had there. 645 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone expected the Houston Texans to be 646 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: what the Houston Texans were in the AFC South during CJ. 647 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: Strauts first season there in twenty twenty three. At the 648 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: end of the day, though, the Cardinals can't worry about 649 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts. They have to focus simply on themselves, 650 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways, I think that when 651 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: I hear that being said from teammates or from players 652 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: in the building, it sometimes sounds like coach speaking. Sometimes 653 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 3: sounds like a little bit of a cliche. But in 654 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: a lot of these games against the three games that 655 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 3: they've lost, the forty nine Ers, the Seahawks, and the 656 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 3: game against the Tennessee Titans, it's fair to say that 657 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: the Cardinals beat themselves in those games, and they let 658 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: that slip away. And it's a tough pill to swallow 659 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: when you say to yourself, we could be five and 660 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: oh right now, that's something Trey McBride was saying. But 661 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 3: at the same time, that could be more of a 662 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: motivating factor because you know that you're not that far off, 663 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: and you know that you have the opportunity to truly 664 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 3: start to strength together some games. Now. I know, strength 665 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 3: to schedule right now is very tough. I'm pretty sure 666 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 3: Cardinals are tied for the toughest strength to schedule in 667 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: the league. But if you're able to try to go 668 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: into this game against the Green Bay Packers with a 669 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 3: five hundred record right before you're by and you have 670 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 3: that momentum, good things could happen. This was a Cardinals 671 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 3: team that was six and four last year and was 672 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: sitting in first place in the division. Now that does 673 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 3: not appear to be the case this year because of 674 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: how good the forty nine ers have been and everything 675 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: going on with the Rams and the Seahawks. But it's 676 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 3: not that far off. Right now. It feels far off 677 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 3: considering the type of losses the Cardinals have had, and 678 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 3: that's understandable. There's an emotional human element to all of this, 679 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 3: but they don't they're not. They're not that far off. 680 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: Seasons can flipped, can flip. We saw that last season 681 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: with the Rams one in four and all of a 682 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: sudden they're nearly make the Super Bowl. 683 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 4: So it is possible. 684 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: The Cardinals, though this week, will not have Darius Robinson 685 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: for a second straight week dealing with that peck injury. 686 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: So someone will either get signed to the active roster 687 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: from the practice squad because there is an open spot 688 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: on the fifty three man or you elevate someone and 689 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: then the conversation about who is going to be your 690 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: right guard? Is Will Hernandez once again going to get 691 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: the start this week, and if it is Will, do 692 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: we see him on the field more than we saw 693 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: the twenty three snaps last week because it's hard not 694 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: to notice that that how good the offense looked in 695 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: those four series with Will on the field getting off 696 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: to that twenty one to three lead versus what we 697 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: saw when Will was watching on the sideline. 698 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: And JG talked about that on Friday. He said that 699 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: Will kind of just need to get his sea legs 700 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 3: under him, but he said that he has viewed him 701 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: like a starter because of the work that he is 702 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 3: that he has put in. And I think Tayo phrased 703 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: a question. Tayo Mackew from Azy Central phrase the question 704 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 3: in sort of way that it makes a team like 705 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 3: this is Will Hernandez's job because of the fact that 706 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 3: Tayo asked him, regardless of who is healthy out there. 707 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: What's going to be interesting now is if the case 708 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: is that the Cardinals opt to start Will Hernandez, what 709 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 3: does that mean for Isaiah Adams or Evan Brown. Is 710 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 3: there now going to be a competition at left guard? 711 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: What does that mean for the future of these guys now? Fortunately, 712 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: they have that versatility in terms of where they could 713 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 3: use Evan Brown. In college, Isaiah Adams played some left guard, 714 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: he didn't play any right guard, So the Cardinals have 715 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: utilized him and have started to try to tap into 716 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 3: that versatility of his game that he can move over 717 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 3: to the left side of the line if needed. What's 718 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: going to be interesting, though, is what sort of situations 719 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 3: does that put your tackles in as because their communication 720 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: between the two is key. 721 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: Evan Brown has been on the practice field this week, 722 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: which is good to see, but to your point, now, 723 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: what do you do when you've got three players for 724 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: two spots. The other player that is expected return this week, 725 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: which certainly should help against this Colts passing offense, is 726 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: Max Melton, who missed last week because of a hamstring injury. 727 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: He's been on the practice field I albeit limited, but 728 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: still to have your number one corner paired with Will 729 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: Johnson who is playing very well again. He was on 730 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: a snap count this week, could see his reps increase 731 00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, maybe you're a little bit 732 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: better to handle Michael Pittman Junior and a Tyler Warren 733 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: with Jalen Thompson in the slot and again Daniel Jones 734 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: who does a good job is spreading that ball to 735 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: a number of different pass catchers. 736 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, potentially could increase the snapcount for Will Johnson. We're 737 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure because because of it being 738 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 3: a groin injury, and as I said earlier when talking 739 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: about Kylie, how the staff is going to be very 740 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: mindful of a lot of their star players and their 741 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 3: injury designations and what that will ultimately end up leading to. 742 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 3: If you do get Maxi Melon out there, he popped 743 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: up on the injury report on Saturday with a hamstring injury, 744 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: so clearly it's something that occurred after Friday's practice and 745 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 3: they ended up ruling him out. He has been a 746 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: limited participant all throughout the week heading into Friday's practice. 747 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 3: If they do have him out there, and you could 748 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: have both Will Johnson and Maxime Melon out there, then truthfully, 749 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: those are two of the people you thought could be 750 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 3: your starting quarterbacks anyway to begin with, and considering the 751 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 3: injury bug that has caught that dB room, that could 752 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 3: be a very big help for this team. We have 753 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 3: not had Will Johnson out there with Maximullin since through 754 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 3: that first quarter of that game against the Carolina Panthers, 755 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 3: so it could be exciting to see them being out there. 756 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals and Colts coming up on Sunday at ten am. 757 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: Five thirty AM pregame coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals 758 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: Radio Network. And I am not going to hold it 759 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: to you to be up at five thirty. I know 760 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: it's been a long week and get your rests on 761 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: Sunday morning. You have my permission to bypass early bird. 762 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 4: For this one week only. 763 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: I don't believe that, Okay, I don't believe that. I 764 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 3: believe that I'm still going to be getting a text 765 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 3: five thirty in the morning seeing if if I'm listening, 766 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: in which the answer, of course, of. 767 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: Course you're always listening, and you should be too real quick. 768 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: You've brought it up a couple of different times, but 769 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: your advanced story on Saturday talking about not only the 770 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals offense, but the tight end situation with the Colts 771 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: and certainly with the Cardinals. You are one of a 772 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: few handful of people that did speak with Trey McBride 773 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: in the locker room this week. And that's, you know, 774 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: as much as of the attention it is on Marvin 775 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: Harrison Junior. Let's not forget that this offense goes through 776 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: eighteen and eighty five and Trey and reading what you 777 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: have written and then listening to some of his comments, 778 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: it certainly sounds not that he's frustrated, but he knows, 779 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: or he feels he believes that he can have a 780 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: much bigger impact offensively. 781 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll just say this that I want fan 782 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 3: that wants to be in the comments section, you know, 783 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 3: coming at yours truly. Okay, it doesn't impact me at all. 784 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 3: I still go about my day. Look, we're gonna ask 785 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 3: questions about the last game because it's important because it 786 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 3: shapes what this game is going to end up being. Like, 787 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: trust me, though, you got to smile out of my face. 788 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 3: I appreciated that to whoever that fan is. In the 789 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 3: conversation with Trey McBride, he was also smiling a little 790 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 3: bit because we haven't been able to speak with him 791 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 3: that much. And he made a comment about how we 792 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: just speak with Elijah Higgins and it was kind of 793 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 3: a tongue in cheek because we already did speak with 794 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 3: Elijah Higgins earlier on in the week on Monday, But 795 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 3: when we were talking with this when we were talking 796 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: with the Cardinals star tight end. He was asked about 797 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 3: his production on the field and how he would evaluate it, 798 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 3: and he said, teams are guarding him a little bit differently, 799 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 3: but as frustrated as he might be, he knows how 800 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 3: close they are, which is why he has that level 801 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: of confidence. Now, I'm sure that the feelings post game 802 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 3: on Sunday probably were a little bit more raw and 803 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 3: probably a little bit more on filter than that, But 804 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: I think when you look at it, he mentioned the 805 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 3: catch that he had that was taken away because of 806 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 3: a penalty, and he mentioned how that was a bit 807 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 3: of a bummer, which we all could be in agreement on, 808 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,959 Speaker 3: because you want to figure out a way that gets 809 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 3: your playmakers of the ball where you're not still ending 810 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 3: on further back because of a penalty and self inflicted wounds. 811 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 3: That's what Johnathan Gannon calls those non negotiable penalties. You 812 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 3: can't have any of that, especially when the rarity now 813 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 3: of trying to get Trey McBride the ball because of 814 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: how defenses are guarding him or how they're guarding Marvin 815 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior. When you do have the opportunities to catch 816 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 3: these target when you have the opportunity to target these 817 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 3: weapons that you have, you have to try to capitalize 818 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 3: on them, and these penalties are only going to are 819 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 3: only going to end up hurting. 820 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: Trey and Marvin have accounted for almost half of the 821 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: passing offense for the Cardinals to the first five games, 822 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: forty nine catches for five hundred and eighty one yards 823 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: and six touchdowns between those two. 824 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 4: Again, can it be more? Absolutely? And I think you're 825 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 4: going to. 826 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: See it because those two guys are just too good 827 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: at what they do as far as having the I 828 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: say minimal but not the consistent impact that we were 829 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: expecting going into this year. 830 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's also because of the struggle of 831 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 3: getting the run game going, and it all goes hand 832 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 3: in hand, and I think to the casual I might 833 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 3: be like, wow, the run game is not going, so 834 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 3: that must mean you have to go to the passing attack. 835 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 3: But if you become too predictable, then that completely eliminates 836 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 3: any opportunity to get anything going. If Jacoby Brissett is 837 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 3: the quarterback that starts, that adds a different level of 838 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: unpredictability because you don't know what is going to look 839 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 3: like when number seven is under center. Versus k one 840 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. But at the end of the day, Trey McBride, 841 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior, these two guys need to get the football. 842 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 3: I wrote in the article about I wrote about most 843 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 3: of the Cardinals defense and how practicing against Tray McBride 844 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 3: prepares them for Tyler Warren, which we spoke a ton 845 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 3: about with Steven, So you could read a little bit 846 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 3: more about that and listen to a king Davis Gather 847 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 3: who told me that practicing against the best tight end 848 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 3: in the NFL and trade McBride all off season long, 849 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 3: has made him a better player. I think that that's 850 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 3: important for the advance though. What I'm writing for Saturday 851 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: story is I spoke one on one with Blall Nichols, 852 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 3: who the Cardinals activated to the fifty three man roster 853 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: from his neck injury heat It's been almost a year 854 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 3: since he had played in the game, it's been almost 855 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 3: a year since he spoke to the media, and I 856 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 3: was able to catch him one on one for a 857 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 3: little bit. So that story will go out on Saturday 858 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 3: on Azycardinals dot Com. A mix of Ballall and his 859 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 3: story and coming back to being on the field, and 860 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 3: also how this Cardinals team being inside that locker room, 861 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 3: what they need to do to shake these three losses 862 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 3: so that three losses don't turn to four. 863 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to get beaten twice by the 864 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans coming up on Sunday. 865 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 3: Good work. 866 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: Here's to a better weekend, not only for Arizona Cardinals fans, 867 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: but you in particular. 868 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 3: I hope, so, I hope, so it'll be It'll be good. 869 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 3: It'll be good. And I appreciate and I respect the trolls, 870 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 3: and I still feel that this is karma for me 871 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 3: trolling the d bags back in twenty twenty three. 872 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 4: Hey, it's okay, you reap which yourself, Zach. 873 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't. I don't know what I sewed by that. 874 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 3: I wish I did it. 875 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals and Colt's coming up on Sunday, looking forward to it. 876 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,959 Speaker 1: It is Week six in the National Football League. 877 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 4: And on that note, we will put a lid on. 878 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 4: This edition of Cardinals. 879 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 880 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: has always special thanks to our executive producer Joe Mamahudre 881 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher for Zach Kershman. 882 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 4: I'm Craig grial Lou. 883 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals cover two.