WEBVTT - Hour 2 - NFL Roundup, Mike Florio

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. Beat was restored on the field, transferred to

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<v Speaker 1>the UC Medical Center for further testing and treatment. Currently sedated,

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<v Speaker 1>listed in critical condition. That's all we have, PAULI just

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<v Speaker 1>checked the Buffalo Bills website. There's no further update there.

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<v Speaker 1>We've spoken about the injury. If you missed the interview

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<v Speaker 1>that we did with a reporter who was on the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Danneman from Fox nineteen in Cincinnati, did a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>job putting you in the moment down on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the scenes there at Cincinnati last night with the

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bills. We could only see enough that we knew

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<v Speaker 1>how serious it was. And you're watching, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>Troy and Joe Buck kept going to commercial break and

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<v Speaker 1>coming back, and then they would go to commercial break,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd come back as long as that ambulance was still

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<v Speaker 1>on the field. I thought that you had a football player,

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<v Speaker 1>a person who was fighting for his life, and Damar

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<v Speaker 1>given CPR. You know, the NFL did not. The NFL

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<v Speaker 1>did a great job in reacting to it. The first

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<v Speaker 1>responders there for both of these teams did a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>job and hopefully saving his life, prolonging his life. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching that. And the longer the ambulance stayed on

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<v Speaker 1>the field, the more serious that I realized that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't think they were leaving that football field

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<v Speaker 1>until they had gotten a heartbeat. And the longer they stayed,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that he might not make it out of

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium, got to the hospital and sedated right now

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<v Speaker 1>in critical condition. But no updates on that, and once

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<v Speaker 1>we get that, if we get that this morning, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>certainly let you know. Also, you have to look at

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to these two teams they have to play

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. The NFL has to make a decision here.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they make a decision today? Is that game going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a tie? Means a whole lot with the standings,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not being insensitive. I have to cover the

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<v Speaker 1>totality of this story, and that is you have a

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<v Speaker 1>young man who's in a hospital right now, and when

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<v Speaker 1>we get an update, we'll give that to you. But

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL is running a business. Now. There's a part

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<v Speaker 1>of this that feels like it's backlash against the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>because Joe Buck four times last night on the broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>said the players are being told they have five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to get ready to play. Now. I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>told Joe Buck that, but it feels like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>backlash with the NFL. How insensitive could they be to

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<v Speaker 1>say to these players? I mean, I couldn't imagine even

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<v Speaker 1>if you said you got a half hour, judging from

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<v Speaker 1>their reaction with what was going on right in front

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<v Speaker 1>of them. So you know, we're removed from it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>watching on TV. Imagine you're fifteen feet ten ft five

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<v Speaker 1>feet away, your teammate is dying right in front of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden, you're gonna put him

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<v Speaker 1>in an ambulance and send him on his way, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got five minutes to get ready. It doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>plausible that they could possibly say that. But Joe, who's

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<v Speaker 1>doing Monday Night football, somebody had to tell him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he told us multiple times last night. Yeah, Seed, how

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<v Speaker 1>sticky of a situation? Do you think this is? Slash

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<v Speaker 1>could be? Well, you have the NFL Troy Vincent, who

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<v Speaker 1>works for the commissioner, and he said afterwards in a

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<v Speaker 1>conference call, we did not tell Joe then, Yeah, Polly, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The conference call was after midnight with Troy Vincent, the

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<v Speaker 1>executive vice president NFL Operations, when asked about that specific

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<v Speaker 1>five minute warning given to the teams, he quotes said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where that came from. Frankly, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no time period for the players to get warmed up. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing we asked was that referee commute to

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<v Speaker 1>both head coaches that they had proper time inside the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room to discuss whatever they felt was best. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where that came from. It did not

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<v Speaker 1>come from us. Yeah, that's pretty direct from the NFL. Yeah. See,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a I'm not gonna say somebody isn't telling

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<v Speaker 1>the truth, but somebody's clearly mistaken here, right, So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there was a five minute thing that Troy Vincent's not

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<v Speaker 1>aware of, or maybe there was just a bad report

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<v Speaker 1>that then made it on air from the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of things, you know, but clearly there's miscommunication here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's not telling the truth here. Now you can say

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's miscommunication, but still five minutes, hey, guys, five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes to get ready to play. That just doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>plausible in a situation like this, given the reaction, the sensitivity,

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional fallout from that. Even if you said, go

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room for thirty minutes, we're gonna gather here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna make sure he gets to the hospital. Now

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<v Speaker 1>come out and play. Even then, we're so accustomed and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we're callous to it, numb to it. Player gets injured,

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<v Speaker 1>players take a knee, player taken off, gives the thumbs up,

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<v Speaker 1>and we resume the football game. We see it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the case here, And that's where you have

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<v Speaker 1>to look at these players as people and say you

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<v Speaker 1>can't play football. We're not playing football. And I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the first person who said it, Booger McFarlane of ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, we're not playing football, and he said it

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<v Speaker 1>early when it was in question. We're not playing football.

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<v Speaker 1>There's other things to be thinking about. Yes, now you

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<v Speaker 1>got to start thinking about those other things. This man

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<v Speaker 1>is in the hospital. Now. The NFL has to make

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<v Speaker 1>some decisions here. These players, they have usually Monday or

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<v Speaker 1>after a Monday game, Tuesday you're off and then you

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<v Speaker 1>go back to practice, and then you got to turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and try to play a football game. Here. What

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<v Speaker 1>happens to that game? Last night? Cincinnati leading set than three.

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<v Speaker 1>NFL has got to sort through all of this. Yeah more, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, and I forgive me. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different thing because when you see ambulances, they always on

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<v Speaker 1>the field as far as injuries and all that torn

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<v Speaker 1>ACL's broken legs, but not anybody being resuscitated. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the shock was more than anything. Those players

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<v Speaker 1>were just you know, out of it. Well you're not you,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're accustomed to seeing somebody who's injured. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it's football and it happens, but not when they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to save your life right in front of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when you look at the player's reaction. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need the words of anybody else. All all I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at was the player's reaction. Then I knew

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<v Speaker 1>this was life and death. Yeah. Yeah, That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>think the five minute thing is is kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>important story because it in some angles of this story.

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<v Speaker 1>It really shaped some angles of this story, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of the everything that you were just talking about, the

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<v Speaker 1>emotions of the players and all of this, and well

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<v Speaker 1>we got five minutes to warm up. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was that became a big talking point and it still is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it feels like a big story. Yeah, po Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people when after they heard that,

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<v Speaker 1>they start they're showing the sidelines, and they showed Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow grab a ball, and then they show Stefan Diggs

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<v Speaker 1>grab his teammates and he was yelling at them about something.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe get their heads together. Whatever he's yelling. You could

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<v Speaker 1>barely hear what you're saying, but they were. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of people that were preparing to get back

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. There were others sitting on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 1>stone face and just looking. But there are other players

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<v Speaker 1>a DP show The other story two a tongue of

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<v Speaker 1>violoa likely out as the Dolphins faced the Jets in

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<v Speaker 1>a must win situation. Here we go with concussions, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been critical of the NFL with their concussion

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<v Speaker 1>procedure protocol because I think it needs to change. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I hear, hey, we did everything we were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do, well, that's not good enough. And as much

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<v Speaker 1>as they've improved tried to improve, we still keep coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to this and here we are with two a

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<v Speaker 1>tongue of violoh who I don't know if even cleared

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<v Speaker 1>should be playing again this year, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to reassess what is NFL protocol when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to concussions. You know, Kenny Pickett is planning for Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>He's had two concussions. I know you can have my

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<v Speaker 1>old concussions used to be a long time ago. You

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<v Speaker 1>got your bell rung. It's just different now. But to

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<v Speaker 1>it probably not going to play for the Dolphins against

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets and it must win situation. Also, we touched

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<v Speaker 1>on Donovan Mitchell. He scored seventy one last night against

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulls Bowl Games. Yesterday, Toulane with a wonderful come

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<v Speaker 1>from behind win against USC. And as I said yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>give me the team who wants to win that game

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<v Speaker 1>more that. This is the biggest game in Toulane football history.

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<v Speaker 1>For USC, it was a letdown that they didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>the Final four and now you're going to be playing

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cotton Bowl against Tulane. Caleb Williams look wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>but man where there's some questionable decisions made by USC.

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<v Speaker 1>But Toulane give them credit. They wanted it more than

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<v Speaker 1>USC did. And we hear that sometimes somebody wants it

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<v Speaker 1>more than somebody else and you're thinking, no, they should

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<v Speaker 1>both want it. No, that was not the case. USC

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<v Speaker 1>thinks they're one of the top four teams in the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Tulane they won two games last year, great story, and

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted that game more. Penn State blew out Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>Utah's quarterback got injured and it was a blowout. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi State Illinois game. This was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>where and I always want to know and I used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a big better I used to be a

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<v Speaker 1>big gambler, but I don't do it. I always encourage people.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna gamble, gamble with what you have, not

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<v Speaker 1>what you think you're going to have, and don't chase.

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<v Speaker 1>If you lose three games, don't go I'm gonna double

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<v Speaker 1>up on Monday night. Then you're really in trouble. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching the game very end. Mississippi State can they

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<v Speaker 1>cover against Illinois? They're up three, they were favored by

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half, and I'm thinking, oh wow, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad beat. And then all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 1>do that flee flicker whatever lateral back and forth. Here

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<v Speaker 1>we go and Mississippi State takes it back for a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown final eighteen ten ouch. Because imagine, imagine you go,

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<v Speaker 1>I got three and a I'm good. You know, guys

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<v Speaker 1>just don't screw up, all right. They're having fun throwing

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<v Speaker 1>the ball around. Then all of a sudden, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>balls on the feet. No, he's got I just lost.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when you go, you know what I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna double up. I'm gonna go usc to blow out

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<v Speaker 1>to Lane. And then that doesn't happen. Then you go,

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<v Speaker 1>Utah is gonna beat Penn State. You know, then you're

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble. That's when you start chasing. Yeah, Seaton, there

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<v Speaker 1>was this moment in the all of those flee flickers

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<v Speaker 1>right where the ball is just flying around all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place and one of the Illinois players gets popped

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<v Speaker 1>and the ball flies straight up and goes right to

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<v Speaker 1>another Illinois player who's like cutting left to right, and

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment you're like, holy crap, it's gonna work,

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<v Speaker 1>and then bang, another dude gets smashed, Like oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it feed. It felt so close at one moment

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like, that's exactly the kind of lucky

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<v Speaker 1>break that happens in this kind of play in order

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<v Speaker 1>for it to work. L s Hue roughed up produce

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three to seven. I think yes they did, and

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<v Speaker 1>yes they did to Lane was down sixteen in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter. Penn State used some big plays to win

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<v Speaker 1>by fourteen against Utah. Not a good bowl season for

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten. Speaking of which Mike Floria was going

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<v Speaker 1>to join us. Coming up, we'll talk about what happened

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<v Speaker 1>last night, what are contingency plans for the NFL for

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<v Speaker 1>these two teams coming up this weekend, But also some

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<v Speaker 1>light stories about Jim Harbaugh going back to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's this come from? Where's this coming from? He'd take

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<v Speaker 1>a job if offered. I saw a report Bruce Felden,

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<v Speaker 1>well respected, well connected college football ride. He'd take one

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<v Speaker 1>if it's offered. This is driving me crazy. Why because

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<v Speaker 1>who if if offered a job, he might take it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding. That's a blanket statement over every living person.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're offering the right job, you might take it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding, that's not news. I wonder if Jim Harbaugh says,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to deal with an ill anymore. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be recruiting. I've taken them to the

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<v Speaker 1>final four twice. We beat an Ohio State back to

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<v Speaker 1>back years. It's not going to get any better than

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<v Speaker 1>this and probably not going to get any better than this.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't go now, do you ever go?

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<v Speaker 1>I always love when coaches stay. Now it's a better

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<v Speaker 1>story when they leave, because then we could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>all the possibilities and why they left, and buyounce and

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<v Speaker 1>bad blood or any of that stuff. It's it's better content.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love it when coaches stay. But I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in an arrow where coaches stayed. Now you know

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<v Speaker 1>coaches are in the transfer portal. As much as players

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<v Speaker 1>are Yes, Ton, couldn't Michigan have the same attitude at

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<v Speaker 1>this point? You know, he's flirting with the NFL again.

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<v Speaker 1>This as far as Hobo is going to take this team,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's time for a change. He wants to go,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to play this game and worry every

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<v Speaker 1>other year. If he's staying on, I don't think Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>is in a position to go, hey, Jim, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>move on from you. Hey, you're flirting with the NFL Harball?

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm horriball and say, hey, I can't control these rumors,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he can, but he's probably going edge flattering

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys should be lucky that you got me here. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>ask him if he's all in or that's how dare

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<v Speaker 1>you asked? Jim Harball the guy that beat Ohio's. All

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<v Speaker 1>he has to do is say yes, I'm all in?

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<v Speaker 1>Then what happens? He's got a three million dollar buy

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<v Speaker 1>on who are you going to replace him with? Not? Good? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Playing do you think that the story is based off Harbaugh?

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<v Speaker 1>Third party putting it out there publicly? The NFL like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm open for business, but I have complete deniability. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted the Vikings job, the Vikings turned him down,

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<v Speaker 1>or did he want a raise based off flirting with

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings? No, he got turned down. Okay, yeah he

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<v Speaker 1>got turned down. He can't coach on a dome. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not a dome guy, No way, Jim Harbor cannot coach

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<v Speaker 1>on a dome right there. They should should never coach

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<v Speaker 1>on a dome. That's so soft? Yeah, oh, real quick?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you I buried the lead? Did you see that? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh was not wearing his traditional khakis in the

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<v Speaker 1>bowl game the other day? If I knew that, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have totally done. I did. I did? I should

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<v Speaker 1>have called you guys him. He has to accept the

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<v Speaker 1>pay cut a while back, so maybe this is his

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<v Speaker 1>here's my chance to recoup some of that. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the hot ticket now and they don't want me

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the NFL, I want me to stay

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<v Speaker 1>about making things right by me and get me some

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<v Speaker 1>of that money back. Is Michigan ceiling the Final four?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they were bigger program. I thought their ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>would be a national title or goal. Well they're closed,

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<v Speaker 1>but this might be as close as they get two

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<v Speaker 1>straight years. You got there beat Ohio State, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that might be your ceiling. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Florio, We'll see if he has any further information

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<v Speaker 1>on last night. And then moving forward, and once again

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<v Speaker 1>we understand the sensitivity of this. I hope you have

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<v Speaker 1>taken that from this program over the years. We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair to the totality of the entire situation here,

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<v Speaker 1>not just his health. And as we move forward the schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>end of the regular season, all of them more phone calls,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to those coming up as well. Take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>have any update so far, has the NFL or Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>Bills said that when they could provide a further update

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<v Speaker 1>on his health. Mic The last update that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>Dan one forty eight am from the Buffalo Bills, explaining

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<v Speaker 1>that DeMar Hamlin had cardiac arrest, heartbeat was restored and

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<v Speaker 1>is at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, sedated and

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<v Speaker 1>in critical condition. There's been no further update from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Rooney, a marketing representative and a friend of Damar

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<v Speaker 1>Hamlin and the Hamlin family, was making the rounds this

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<v Speaker 1>morning Good Morning America and elsewhere, saying they're taking it

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<v Speaker 1>minute by minute at this point confirming he is sedated

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<v Speaker 1>and doctors continue to evaluate and treat DeMar ham The

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<v Speaker 1>NFL's reaction to this as far as the game itself,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of time frame do you think the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>is under to let us know is this a tie?

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<v Speaker 1>Can they play this game? The importance of it. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a conference call held just after midnight and Jeff Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL's chief spokesperson, said that there will be a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation at the appropriate time about the game, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>currently not a consideration. The reality, though, is time is

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<v Speaker 1>passing as we await the appropriate time, and I agree

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the appropriate time for the NFL to make

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<v Speaker 1>any decisions. But four days from now, the week eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>games begin. Five days from now, the Bills are due

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<v Speaker 1>to play a team other than the Bengals the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals are due to play the Ravens, so at

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<v Speaker 1>some point decisions will make themselves and Dan, I see

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<v Speaker 1>two possibilities here. I hadn't thought of declaring the game

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<v Speaker 1>a time. My thought was, Number one, you play Bills

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals this weekend bump week eighteen back wipe out the

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<v Speaker 1>two week break between the conference championships and the Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl like they did back in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>where Week two was taken out and tacked onto the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the season. The two week by was eliminated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one possibility. The other possibility would be to say

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<v Speaker 1>game's not going to be played. Bills and Bengals play sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Playoff positioning will be based on winning percentage. They were

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<v Speaker 1>ready to do that in twenty twenty during the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>when they assumed there would be canceled games and there

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<v Speaker 1>just weren't. The other reality, though, Dan, is when will

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<v Speaker 1>these players be ready to play? The top concern is

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<v Speaker 1>to mar Hamlin. The secondary concern is the mental health

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<v Speaker 1>of the players who witnessed it. Think of the trauma

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<v Speaker 1>that the rest of us experienced seeing it through TV.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were there on the field and you experienced

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<v Speaker 1>it firsthand, lived at firsthand. When will you be ready

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<v Speaker 1>to play football again? I don't know the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>that question, and I think right now nobody knows the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that question. That is something that the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>needs to take up again at the appropriate time, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know when the appropriate time will be. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, the NFL kind of the time lapse

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<v Speaker 1>of were they going to play? Were they going to

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<v Speaker 1>come back? Joe Buck mentioned four times that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get a five minute warm up period and then

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<v Speaker 1>come back and play. The NFL said, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the case. Why the miscommunication between the NFL and what

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN was reporting. Dan The best I can glean from

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<v Speaker 1>this because Troy Evince, at the executive VP of Football Operations,

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<v Speaker 1>on the conference call I mentioned earlier, was very very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I don't know where that came from, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's insensitive. It's ridiculous to even have that out there. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that standard procedure when there is an injury

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<v Speaker 1>that stops the game for a certain period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a minimal amount of time that goes by

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<v Speaker 1>that they'll say the teams get five minutes to get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to resume that someone was operating off of that

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<v Speaker 1>manual until they realized we're dealing with a situation for

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<v Speaker 1>which there was no precedent, there is no manual, and

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<v Speaker 1>that became the right solution. So they got to the

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<v Speaker 1>right place. And it may just be as folks were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do the best they could along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>someone thought that that would be the procedure that would

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<v Speaker 1>be implemented. But it became abundantly clear that the teams

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<v Speaker 1>were not in a position that they could continue last

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<v Speaker 1>night in the NFL made the right decision at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day. But I wonder did the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>make this decision or did the head coaches and the

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<v Speaker 1>captains make this decision that they weren't ready to play football,

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<v Speaker 1>Because it felt like they were passing the phone around.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw the two head coaches conferring the NFL rep

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<v Speaker 1>is there. I get the sense that maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterbacks and coaches who said we're not playing football.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think what was said last night by

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Vincent was he was basically the point person communicating

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<v Speaker 1>by phone with the referee for the game. Sean Smith

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<v Speaker 1>who was talking to the coaches, Troy Vincent speaking with

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches, Troy Vincent speaking with Commissioner Roger Gordell, and

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<v Speaker 1>also NFL Players Association executive director to Morris Smith, and

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<v Speaker 1>they got to that point, Now, look at if the

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<v Speaker 1>players just can't play, then somebody needs to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first one to say, hey, NFL, we just can't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>because the system is set up, Dan. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where the unprecedented nature of this, I think is most

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<v Speaker 1>clearly crystallized. Players get injured all the time. The NFL

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<v Speaker 1>is one giant football machine consisting of interchangeable parts, and

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.959
<v Speaker 1>we've heard next man up for years. So somebody gets injured,

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<v Speaker 1>that person is replaced, and the game goes on all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of various different types and magnitudes of injury. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time that the injury created an event

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<v Speaker 1>so horrifying that the players could not continue, the coaches

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<v Speaker 1>could not continue, the game could not continue. And again

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<v Speaker 1>there's no manual, there's no precedent next time it happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and God forbid it doesn't happen anytime soon. If ever,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a precedent that can be drawn upon.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was the creation of the precedent, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why there may be some miscommunication, misunderstanding. You

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<v Speaker 1>would expect misunderstanding at a time like this when people

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling to understand what's happening. So somebody had to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one to say, I don't think we can

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and the coaches and the quarterbacks, the team

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<v Speaker 1>leaders would be the ones in the best position to

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<v Speaker 1>be the ones to say that. Talking to Mike Florio,

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Football Talk Live co host, I was also wondering

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<v Speaker 1>about Damar Hamlin's tackle on t Higgins because you're taught

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<v Speaker 1>now you can't lead with your the crown of your helmet,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the tackle was different that, you know, he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tackled him with his chests. He took the hit there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if these defensive backs now are conditioned

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<v Speaker 1>that they have to learn how to tackle differently. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that impacted this at all because

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<v Speaker 1>he took the brunt of t Higgins's helmet to his chest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Dan, that's a good point. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I drew from it, I didn't notice anything that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed out of the ordinary as we now are conditioned

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<v Speaker 1>to watch defensive players tackle receivers because we don't see

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<v Speaker 1>what we used to see all the time. They hit

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<v Speaker 1>last Monday Night by Derwin James. If the charge was

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<v Speaker 1>on Ashton Duel and of the cults that was commonplace,

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>we see it now and we're like, oh my god,

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that. So the game has changed. And

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>with the concern about head and neck injuries, it's easy

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to lose sight of the fact that there are all

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>sorts of other ways that you can get seriously injured

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>playing football. The head and the neck are the most

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>common concern now, but Chris Simms almost died in two

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six because he had a ruptured spleen that

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't detected until after the game ended, and he'd been

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>hit multiple times by various Carolina Panthers defensive players, and

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>he almost died, not on the field, in the locker room,

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 1>on the way to the hospital, at the hospital from

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the blood loss. But it's there. There are plenty of

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>other serious injuries you can have when you play football

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>at any level, and last night underscores that all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, if we get an update on Damar Hamlin,

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>we will certainly pass that on to you. There's other

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>football to talk about with Mike Florio. The Jim Harball

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>back to the NFL, does it feel real? You know?

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Dan, I candid with you. I've quit thinking

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>about everything else right now, and that's a decision that

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>each individual has to make. But I don't care about

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Jim Harball right now. Okay, I really don't. We're not

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.360
<v Speaker 1>covering anything else until this Damar Hamlin thing is resolved.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Mike, thank you. We appreciate your time. All right, Dan.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>That's Mike Floria, Pro Football Talk Live, co host NFL

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Insider with Football Night in America. We cover what we cover,

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and our approach is still that these are NFL stories,

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and I certainly in respect Mike's approach to this, and

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>even when we reached out to him, he said, I

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I have anything to add, and I said,

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd still like your perspective on this. So the Jim

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Harball situation, it feels fluid. Sean Payton coming back that

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>feels fluid as well. Sean Payton certainly seems like a

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 1>number one seed. But if I'm Sean Payton and coming back,

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to just come back for a job.

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I want to come back for the right job. And

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>that's where I think Sean Payton is looking at the

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Chargers or you know, probably telling friends. It was reported

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>that the two places would be the Cowboys and the Chargers.

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And last I look there in the playoffs, So that

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 1>might be a little tough there. But is Denver? Does

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>he want to go into the Denver situation? The Arizona

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Cardinal situation not open? Would he want to go into

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>that Carolina? Would he want to go back to the Saints? See?

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Those jobs wouldn't intrigue me. But I would wait another

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>year if I if I don't have the right job,

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go back, you know, spending one

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>year in TV just to go back. Yeah, polling. I

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>read an article yesterday comparing Sean payton situation going to

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>TV at a relatively young age for a coach to

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Bill Kauer when he left the Steelers. Bill Kawer was

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the guy you wanted. It was beyond the like, like

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>you said, the one seed and Bill Kauer sat out

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>of year, watched some high school basketball with his kids,

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and then sat out another year. And their speculation that

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the right job opening, and then he just

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>never came back. The lifestyle appealed to him of less

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>pressure and more family time. And again, Sean Payton, you've

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>had you'd about a few months ago, and he seems

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>clearly competitive still. Yeah, but Bill Kauer, I think also

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>realized that he had forged a Hall of Fame career

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and he had lost his wife. He's watching his daughters

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>grow up. I think you know that comfort level once

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you get past the first couple of years, when you know,

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>this is the time I go to training camp, or

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>this is when we have games. You know that Sunday afternoon.

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>If you get past that feeling, that helps you move

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>on to whatever the next job you're going to have.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Sean Payton is still doing games. He's only a year removed,

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and he probably feels like and rightfully so, he has

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot more to prove accomplished. Yeah. Sean Payton just

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>turned fifty nine years old last week. He stopped coaching

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>at age fifty eight. Bill Kauer stopped coaching at age

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>forty nine. Yeah, which was pretty surprising to me because

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>he always liked gruffin older and guy. But he was

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.959
<v Speaker 1>forty nine when he left the coaching profession. Well, how

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>old was John Madden? I think he was under forty four? Man,

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>he was relatively young, and he coached for ten years

0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and then decided that he was going to call it

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>not everybody's a lifer. How old was maddening? Madden stopped

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>coaching at age forty three. Okay, A couple of phone

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>calls in here, Charlie and Ohio, Hi Charlie, what's on

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>your mind? Hey? Dan? I just want to tell you

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I went to the game last night and I had

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like about a solid hour of just straight vistoria. I

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>was in the in the in the line to get

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>in the game and help above me on the balconies,

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Ikey Woods just hyping up fans. We get in the game.

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting with Bills fans. We're all dapping each other up,

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Joany Dalton, you know, all that donation

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>money and all that stuff. And within like within an hour,

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>dead silent, crowd, dead silent. And we don't have the

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, sitting there in the game, like, we don't

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>have the commentators, we have nothing. All we have is

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>something I've never seen ever. The whole Bill's sideline surrounds

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy. I've never as soon as that happened and

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>their players were crying, my only thought, I was, like,

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>he has passed away. We've we've seen someone passed away

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>on a field. I've never the innerfel is so pc

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and like buttoned up to watch players. Just a whole sidebine,

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>clear out surround the guys so we can't see what's

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>going on, and for the amblans just to sit there.

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>And the saddest part was there was you know, that

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>slow crap when when I injured player gets off the field.

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>That happened two times, and all it was because we

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see. People were just cropping and by times it

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>was just all of us as fans like, please be okay,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>please be alive. Yeah, I mean we're conditioned for that, Charlie,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and thank you. You know, player comes off, you give

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>him a light round of applause, he gives the thumbs up,

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and then we move on third down, Let's go, let's

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.719
<v Speaker 1>play football. Mark and Toledo, Hey, Mark, what's on your

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>mind today? Sailor down? Yeah? This um just was different

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to me. And I'm kind of looking at it from

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the business side of the NFL because they've always been

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the teflon shield. There's never been really a scandal that

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 1>they haven't been able to navigate, whether it's been the CTE,

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, the discipline policy that was kind of all

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>over the place, and even some of these owners bad

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>behavior with politics and whatnot. This had that feeling where

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>if it got mishandled, they were not going to be

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>able to dodge this bullet. And even though there was

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>no way to put a viewership number or a revenue

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>loss number or a TV or anything like that, it

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>seemed like if they really screw this up, there was

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be a substantial amount of loss across that board.

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:49.719
<v Speaker 1>And you get that five minute time or you know,

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you kind of hear that and you think, oh, they

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>really are going to mess this up. Because I've had friends,

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>because of a variety of things, say I'm not watching

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the NFL no more for whatever reason ticks them off

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>at that time and place. The next week, they're back

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in front of the TV, they're watching it. I didn't

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>have that feeling this time. I had that feeling that

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>this might be it for some of these fans that

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>said we're not going to deal with this anymore. The

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>NFL cannot just be so business like that there's no

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>care for that person on it and again, and we

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know that. Mark. I understand we're speculating here. It

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>was an imperfect situation last night, but the five minute

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>get ready to go back and play was cringeworthy. I

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to I'd love to have an explanation here.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.239
<v Speaker 1>The commissioner doesn't come on this show, but I'd love

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to have somebody give me an explanation of was there

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a five minute roundup call to say, hey, let's get

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>back and get ready to play. There's so many great

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>stories last night, the medical personnel doing their job, having

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the medical facilities there on the sidelines to save his life.

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>If this was a generation ago, are they capable? I

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>mentioned Hank Gathers in the first hour I was doing

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Sports Center that night. They didn't have a defibrillator there

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that could have saved his life. Now, every basketball arena

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>in America has one, probably your high school one or

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of high school ones. Yeah. More, do you

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>think this becomes a rallying cry for the Bills, like,

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's do this for sure, Hamlin, and you know,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of get them going going into the playoffs, well,

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>that's tricky where you go. Can we do it this

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>week where we have the Patriots like it might be

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>once you get into the postseason, I don't. I mean,

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>just imagine if something happened in here with one of

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>us and then all of a sudden, somebody says, hey,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>you guys got to come back to work to tomorrow.

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Hey let's go. I don't know. I mean, I gotta

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>be fair to these players because they're people. You know,

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>we're so custom due. Oh yeah, they got a jersey

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>on and a helmet on, and you know, they got

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>a name on their back. And no, it's a it's

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>a twenty four year old kid. I mean, he's a man,

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>but he's a he's twenty four years of age. I

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>have a daughter his age like here just going and

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>his mom is there at the game. I mean, you're

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>just trying to process all this, but through it all,

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you still have to look at the other tentacles that

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>are attached to this, the other stories. And that's the

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>hard part is that's where you come off as you

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 1>don't care if there was a five minute let's get

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>ready to come back. I have a real problem with that.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 1>But I want to be fair to everybody involved. All

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I can go on is what Joe said last night

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>four times. You would think after the first one, okay,

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>let's just apply logic here. First time he says it.

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>The NFL has got to be listening watching. Would somebody say,

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>please tell Joe that that's not the case. He said

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it four times. Why didn't somebody correct Joe? Why didn't

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the commissioner Troy Vincent called the control room? Hey, that's

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>not true, right then? The NFL is a conference call

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>later on round after midnight. That's when they started to

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>clean it up. I don't know what's fact in fiction here.

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Those are two different stories. Take a break back after this.

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<v Speaker 1>from there, I was a paramedic and civilian life for

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen years. And it was actually a good sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night. I've heard some people comment about, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how long it took to get him off the field

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<v Speaker 1>and get him an ambulance and get him loaded up.

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<v Speaker 1>That was actually a good sign. Listen, when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to what we call a code A cardiac arrest, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first things you have to we have to

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<v Speaker 1>do is we have to put him on an EKG

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>monitor because there are several different types of heart attacks

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>or cardiac arrest that you can go in and we

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<v Speaker 1>need to know that so we can treat accordling with

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the accordingly with the appropriate drugs. So when I was

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 1>sitting there watching an unfold last night, I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a good sign that they were taking so long, because

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that means they actually got a heart rhythm or a

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>heartbeat on the monitor. Because if they were there he

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was fifty or coding out or flatlining as the lay

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>person calls that, they would have slashed him up and

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<v Speaker 1>put him in the back of the unit and took

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<v Speaker 1>off right there. The number one thing is, you know,

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to get them stabilized. Once you do get a heart

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>rhythm back, get them stabilized and then you know you'd

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>have to scrap them. You know, you got to get

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>them ready for transport. So yeah, that was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>good sign last night with them taking so long. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, Chris, but do you give me the

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the procedure. So on the field, establish a pulse,

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<v Speaker 1>then put him in the ambulance to then take him

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital. Correct. Well, once the first responders of

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 1>the paramedic scot there, the first thing they would have

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<v Speaker 1>done once they realized he did not have a pault

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>is they started CPR to try to regain a pulse. Also,

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, they would be doing what they

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 1>call artificial ventilating, which would be they'd have a mask

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>over his face with a bag and they would be

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>pumping air into his lungs so he wouldn't, you know,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>of any brain damage would occurred. They would be able

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 1>to keep oxygen going to his body while they're trying

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to regain a pulse. And once they gained that pulse,

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, then they start with the IV so they

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 1>can get cardiac drugs. Any they look at a scrip

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that comes off of the EKG monitor, it looks like

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a little rap. Everybody seen him, the little pulsing line,

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, that tells us as paramedics what type of

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>cardiac arrest that he's in, whether it's the atrial, the

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>top of the heart, at the bottom of the heart,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>so forth, and so on. Well, thank you for giving

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>me all that information, Chris. I appreciate that great insight there,

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 1>because I was wondering the longer that ambulance stayed on

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 1>the field, wasn't getting worse than Chris is saying no,

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that that was actually a good sign. We had no idea.

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>There's very little info. There's only so much that the

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:51.479
<v Speaker 1>ESPN team could do because you don't have access. Then

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>even the people who were on the field around him,

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, those that have information aren't talking because they're

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to save his life. And then we just saw

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the player's reactions after that. As Mike Floria was pointing out,

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, the NFL is going to have to have

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>some kind of scenario here, and could you push the

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.479
<v Speaker 1>playoffs back, could you take away one of the two

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>weeks that you have, and could you then reschedule this game?

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Could you have this weekend's games, could you play it

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>this weekend could you then play the final week the

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, move that back as well. So he was

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>providing a couple of different scenarios there, or do you

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>just say the Bengals and the Bills, we're going with

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>winning percentage when it comes to playoff seating there that

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>instead of who's got the most wins or tiebreakers, that

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it could come down to winning percentage with these teams.

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>But the NFL is going to have something to say.

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine over the next day or so more

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 1>phone calls coming up. In the final hour of the program.

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>If you missed the interview that we did with the

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 1>reporter was on this scene, Joe Danneman, who was a

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>sports anchor in Cincinnati. I want to bring that back

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>next hour around eleven thirty Eastern. He saw everything. He

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>was there on the sidelines and really gave a great

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>update on Unless I have further information on the health

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>of Damar Hamlin, then I'll bring that back. As of

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>right now, we have no information Buffalo Bills, Paul. He's

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>been checking the website see if there's any updates. Nobody's

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 1>tweeting about this. Nothing from the NFL yet, so we

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 1>can only hope. But final hour coming up. More of

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>your phone calls as well. Fritzie Seaton, Marv Paula, yours

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