Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Beat was restored on the field, transferred to
Speaker 1: the UC Medical Center for further testing and treatment. Currently sedated,
Speaker 1: listed in critical condition. That's all we have, PAULI just
Speaker 1: checked the Buffalo Bills website. There's no further update there.
Speaker 1: We've spoken about the injury. If you missed the interview
Speaker 1: that we did with a reporter who was on the scene,
Speaker 1: Joe Danneman from Fox nineteen in Cincinnati, did a wonderful
Speaker 1: job putting you in the moment down on the field.
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes there at Cincinnati last night with the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. We could only see enough that we knew
Speaker 1: how serious it was. And you're watching, and then when
Speaker 1: Troy and Joe Buck kept going to commercial break and
Speaker 1: coming back, and then they would go to commercial break,
Speaker 1: they'd come back as long as that ambulance was still
Speaker 1: on the field. I thought that you had a football player,
Speaker 1: a person who was fighting for his life, and Damar
Speaker 1: given CPR. You know, the NFL did not. The NFL
Speaker 1: did a great job in reacting to it. The first
Speaker 1: responders there for both of these teams did a wonderful
Speaker 1: job and hopefully saving his life, prolonging his life. But
Speaker 1: you're watching that. And the longer the ambulance stayed on
Speaker 1: the field, the more serious that I realized that it was.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think they were leaving that football field
Speaker 1: until they had gotten a heartbeat. And the longer they stayed,
Speaker 1: I thought that he might not make it out of
Speaker 1: the stadium, got to the hospital and sedated right now
Speaker 1: in critical condition. But no updates on that, and once
Speaker 1: we get that, if we get that this morning, we'll
Speaker 1: certainly let you know. Also, you have to look at
Speaker 1: what happens to these two teams they have to play
Speaker 1: this weekend. The NFL has to make a decision here.
Speaker 1: Do they make a decision today? Is that game going
Speaker 1: to be a tie? Means a whole lot with the standings,
Speaker 1: And I'm not being insensitive. I have to cover the
Speaker 1: totality of this story, and that is you have a
Speaker 1: young man who's in a hospital right now, and when
Speaker 1: we get an update, we'll give that to you. But
Speaker 1: the NFL is running a business. Now. There's a part
Speaker 1: of this that feels like it's backlash against the NFL
Speaker 1: because Joe Buck four times last night on the broadcast
Speaker 1: said the players are being told they have five minutes
Speaker 1: to get ready to play. Now. I don't know who
Speaker 1: told Joe Buck that, but it feels like there's a
Speaker 1: backlash with the NFL. How insensitive could they be to
Speaker 1: say to these players? I mean, I couldn't imagine even
Speaker 1: if you said you got a half hour, judging from
Speaker 1: their reaction with what was going on right in front
Speaker 1: of them. So you know, we're removed from it. We're
Speaker 1: watching on TV. Imagine you're fifteen feet ten ft five
Speaker 1: feet away, your teammate is dying right in front of you,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, you're gonna put him
Speaker 1: in an ambulance and send him on his way, and
Speaker 1: you got five minutes to get ready. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: plausible that they could possibly say that. But Joe, who's
Speaker 1: doing Monday Night football, somebody had to tell him, and
Speaker 1: he told us multiple times last night. Yeah, Seed, how
Speaker 1: sticky of a situation? Do you think this is? Slash
Speaker 1: could be? Well, you have the NFL Troy Vincent, who
Speaker 1: works for the commissioner, and he said afterwards in a
Speaker 1: conference call, we did not tell Joe then, Yeah, Polly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The conference call was after midnight with Troy Vincent, the
Speaker 1: executive vice president NFL Operations, when asked about that specific
Speaker 1: five minute warning given to the teams, he quotes said,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where that came from. Frankly, there was
Speaker 1: no time period for the players to get warmed up. Frankly,
Speaker 1: the only thing we asked was that referee commute to
Speaker 1: both head coaches that they had proper time inside the
Speaker 1: locker room to discuss whatever they felt was best. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where that came from. It did not
Speaker 1: come from us. Yeah, that's pretty direct from the NFL. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: so there's a I'm not gonna say somebody isn't telling
Speaker 1: the truth, but somebody's clearly mistaken here, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: there was a five minute thing that Troy Vincent's not
Speaker 1: aware of, or maybe there was just a bad report
Speaker 1: that then made it on air from the other side
Speaker 1: of things, you know, but clearly there's miscommunication here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody's not telling the truth here. Now you can say
Speaker 1: maybe it's miscommunication, but still five minutes, hey, guys, five
Speaker 1: minutes to get ready to play. That just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: plausible in a situation like this, given the reaction, the sensitivity,
Speaker 1: the emotional fallout from that. Even if you said, go
Speaker 1: in the locker room for thirty minutes, we're gonna gather here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure he gets to the hospital. Now
Speaker 1: come out and play. Even then, we're so accustomed and
Speaker 1: maybe we're callous to it, numb to it. Player gets injured,
Speaker 1: players take a knee, player taken off, gives the thumbs up,
Speaker 1: and we resume the football game. We see it. Well,
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case here, And that's where you have
Speaker 1: to look at these players as people and say you
Speaker 1: can't play football. We're not playing football. And I thought
Speaker 1: the first person who said it, Booger McFarlane of ESPN,
Speaker 1: he said, we're not playing football, and he said it
Speaker 1: early when it was in question. We're not playing football.
Speaker 1: There's other things to be thinking about. Yes, now you
Speaker 1: got to start thinking about those other things. This man
Speaker 1: is in the hospital. Now. The NFL has to make
Speaker 1: some decisions here. These players, they have usually Monday or
Speaker 1: after a Monday game, Tuesday you're off and then you
Speaker 1: go back to practice, and then you got to turn
Speaker 1: around and try to play a football game. Here. What
Speaker 1: happens to that game? Last night? Cincinnati leading set than three.
Speaker 1: NFL has got to sort through all of this. Yeah more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and I forgive me. I think it's a
Speaker 1: different thing because when you see ambulances, they always on
Speaker 1: the field as far as injuries and all that torn
Speaker 1: ACL's broken legs, but not anybody being resuscitated. So I
Speaker 1: think that's the shock was more than anything. Those players
Speaker 1: were just you know, out of it. Well you're not you,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're accustomed to seeing somebody who's injured. I
Speaker 1: get it's football and it happens, but not when they're
Speaker 1: trying to save your life right in front of them.
Speaker 1: And that's when you look at the player's reaction. I
Speaker 1: don't need the words of anybody else. All all I
Speaker 1: was looking at was the player's reaction. Then I knew
Speaker 1: this was life and death. Yeah. Yeah, That's why I
Speaker 1: think the five minute thing is is kind of an
Speaker 1: important story because it in some angles of this story.
Speaker 1: It really shaped some angles of this story, you know,
Speaker 1: of the everything that you were just talking about, the
Speaker 1: emotions of the players and all of this, and well
Speaker 1: we got five minutes to warm up. I mean that
Speaker 1: was that became a big talking point and it still is.
Speaker 1: It's it feels like a big story. Yeah, po Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people when after they heard that,
Speaker 1: they start they're showing the sidelines, and they showed Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow grab a ball, and then they show Stefan Diggs
Speaker 1: grab his teammates and he was yelling at them about something.
Speaker 1: Maybe get their heads together. Whatever he's yelling. You could
Speaker 1: barely hear what you're saying, but they were. There was
Speaker 1: a couple of people that were preparing to get back
Speaker 1: in the game. There were others sitting on the sidelines
Speaker 1: stone face and just looking. But there are other players
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Speaker 1: a DP show The other story two a tongue of
Speaker 1: violoa likely out as the Dolphins faced the Jets in
Speaker 1: a must win situation. Here we go with concussions, and
Speaker 1: I have been critical of the NFL with their concussion
Speaker 1: procedure protocol because I think it needs to change. And
Speaker 1: when I hear, hey, we did everything we were supposed
Speaker 1: to do, well, that's not good enough. And as much
Speaker 1: as they've improved tried to improve, we still keep coming
Speaker 1: back to this and here we are with two a
Speaker 1: tongue of violoh who I don't know if even cleared
Speaker 1: should be playing again this year, but I do think
Speaker 1: we need to reassess what is NFL protocol when it
Speaker 1: comes to concussions. You know, Kenny Pickett is planning for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: He's had two concussions. I know you can have my
Speaker 1: old concussions used to be a long time ago. You
Speaker 1: got your bell rung. It's just different now. But to
Speaker 1: it probably not going to play for the Dolphins against
Speaker 1: the Jets and it must win situation. Also, we touched
Speaker 1: on Donovan Mitchell. He scored seventy one last night against
Speaker 1: the Bulls Bowl Games. Yesterday, Toulane with a wonderful come
Speaker 1: from behind win against USC. And as I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: give me the team who wants to win that game
Speaker 1: more that. This is the biggest game in Toulane football history.
Speaker 1: For USC, it was a letdown that they didn't make
Speaker 1: the Final four and now you're going to be playing
Speaker 1: in the Cotton Bowl against Tulane. Caleb Williams look wonderful,
Speaker 1: but man where there's some questionable decisions made by USC.
Speaker 1: But Toulane give them credit. They wanted it more than
Speaker 1: USC did. And we hear that sometimes somebody wants it
Speaker 1: more than somebody else and you're thinking, no, they should
Speaker 1: both want it. No, that was not the case. USC
Speaker 1: thinks they're one of the top four teams in the nation.
Speaker 1: Tulane they won two games last year, great story, and
Speaker 1: they wanted that game more. Penn State blew out Utah.
Speaker 1: Utah's quarterback got injured and it was a blowout. After that,
Speaker 1: the Mississippi State Illinois game. This was one of those
Speaker 1: where and I always want to know and I used
Speaker 1: to be a big better I used to be a
Speaker 1: big gambler, but I don't do it. I always encourage people.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna gamble, gamble with what you have, not
Speaker 1: what you think you're going to have, and don't chase.
Speaker 1: If you lose three games, don't go I'm gonna double
Speaker 1: up on Monday night. Then you're really in trouble. So
Speaker 1: I'm watching the game very end. Mississippi State can they
Speaker 1: cover against Illinois? They're up three, they were favored by
Speaker 1: three and a half, and I'm thinking, oh wow, that's
Speaker 1: a bad beat. And then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: do that flee flicker whatever lateral back and forth. Here
Speaker 1: we go and Mississippi State takes it back for a
Speaker 1: touchdown final eighteen ten ouch. Because imagine, imagine you go,
Speaker 1: I got three and a I'm good. You know, guys
Speaker 1: just don't screw up, all right. They're having fun throwing
Speaker 1: the ball around. Then all of a sudden, you're going
Speaker 1: balls on the feet. No, he's got I just lost.
Speaker 1: That's when you go, you know what I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna double up. I'm gonna go usc to blow out
Speaker 1: to Lane. And then that doesn't happen. Then you go,
Speaker 1: Utah is gonna beat Penn State. You know, then you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. That's when you start chasing. Yeah, Seaton, there
Speaker 1: was this moment in the all of those flee flickers
Speaker 1: right where the ball is just flying around all over
Speaker 1: the place and one of the Illinois players gets popped
Speaker 1: and the ball flies straight up and goes right to
Speaker 1: another Illinois player who's like cutting left to right, and
Speaker 1: in that moment you're like, holy crap, it's gonna work,
Speaker 1: and then bang, another dude gets smashed, Like oh man,
Speaker 1: yeah it feed. It felt so close at one moment
Speaker 1: where it was like, that's exactly the kind of lucky
Speaker 1: break that happens in this kind of play in order
Speaker 1: for it to work. L s Hue roughed up produce
Speaker 1: sixty three to seven. I think yes they did, and
Speaker 1: yes they did to Lane was down sixteen in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Penn State used some big plays to win
Speaker 1: by fourteen against Utah. Not a good bowl season for
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. Speaking of which Mike Floria was going
Speaker 1: to join us. Coming up, we'll talk about what happened
Speaker 1: last night, what are contingency plans for the NFL for
Speaker 1: these two teams coming up this weekend, But also some
Speaker 1: light stories about Jim Harbaugh going back to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Where's this come from? Where's this coming from? He'd take
Speaker 1: a job if offered. I saw a report Bruce Felden,
Speaker 1: well respected, well connected college football ride. He'd take one
Speaker 1: if it's offered. This is driving me crazy. Why because
Speaker 1: who if if offered a job, he might take it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no kidding. That's a blanket statement over every living person.
Speaker 1: If you're offering the right job, you might take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no kidding, that's not news. I wonder if Jim Harbaugh says,
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with an ill anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be recruiting. I've taken them to the
Speaker 1: final four twice. We beat an Ohio State back to
Speaker 1: back years. It's not going to get any better than
Speaker 1: this and probably not going to get any better than this.
Speaker 1: So if you don't go now, do you ever go?
Speaker 1: I always love when coaches stay. Now it's a better
Speaker 1: story when they leave, because then we could talk about
Speaker 1: all the possibilities and why they left, and buyounce and
Speaker 1: bad blood or any of that stuff. It's it's better content.
Speaker 1: But I love it when coaches stay. But I grew
Speaker 1: up in an arrow where coaches stayed. Now you know
Speaker 1: coaches are in the transfer portal. As much as players
Speaker 1: are Yes, Ton, couldn't Michigan have the same attitude at
Speaker 1: this point? You know, he's flirting with the NFL again.
Speaker 1: This as far as Hobo is going to take this team,
Speaker 1: maybe it's time for a change. He wants to go,
Speaker 1: We're not going to play this game and worry every
Speaker 1: other year. If he's staying on, I don't think Michigan
Speaker 1: is in a position to go, hey, Jim, we're gonna
Speaker 1: move on from you. Hey, you're flirting with the NFL Harball?
Speaker 1: If I'm horriball and say, hey, I can't control these rumors,
Speaker 1: I mean he can, but he's probably going edge flattering
Speaker 1: and you guys should be lucky that you got me here. Hey,
Speaker 1: ask him if he's all in or that's how dare
Speaker 1: you asked? Jim Harball the guy that beat Ohio's. All
Speaker 1: he has to do is say yes, I'm all in?
Speaker 1: Then what happens? He's got a three million dollar buy
Speaker 1: on who are you going to replace him with? Not? Good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Playing do you think that the story is based off Harbaugh?
Speaker 1: Third party putting it out there publicly? The NFL like
Speaker 1: I'm open for business, but I have complete deniability. Well,
Speaker 1: he wanted the Vikings job, the Vikings turned him down,
Speaker 1: or did he want a raise based off flirting with
Speaker 1: the Vikings? No, he got turned down. Okay, yeah he
Speaker 1: got turned down. He can't coach on a dome. He's
Speaker 1: not a dome guy, No way, Jim Harbor cannot coach
Speaker 1: on a dome right there. They should should never coach
Speaker 1: on a dome. That's so soft? Yeah, oh, real quick?
Speaker 1: Did you I buried the lead? Did you see that? Um?
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh was not wearing his traditional khakis in the
Speaker 1: bowl game the other day? If I knew that, I
Speaker 1: would have totally done. I did. I did? I should
Speaker 1: have called you guys him. He has to accept the
Speaker 1: pay cut a while back, so maybe this is his
Speaker 1: here's my chance to recoup some of that. And if
Speaker 1: I'm the hot ticket now and they don't want me
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL, I want me to stay
Speaker 1: about making things right by me and get me some
Speaker 1: of that money back. Is Michigan ceiling the Final four?
Speaker 1: I thought they were bigger program. I thought their ceiling
Speaker 1: would be a national title or goal. Well they're closed,
Speaker 1: but this might be as close as they get two
Speaker 1: straight years. You got there beat Ohio State, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that might be your ceiling. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: Mike Florio, We'll see if he has any further information
Speaker 1: on last night. And then moving forward, and once again
Speaker 1: we understand the sensitivity of this. I hope you have
Speaker 1: taken that from this program over the years. We're trying
Speaker 1: to be fair to the totality of the entire situation here,
Speaker 1: not just his health. And as we move forward the schedule,
Speaker 1: end of the regular season, all of them more phone calls,
Speaker 1: we'll get to those coming up as well. Take a break.
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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan
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Speaker 1: Peacock app. Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, co host,
Speaker 1: NFL Insider and contributor to Football Night in America. Don't
Speaker 1: have any update so far, has the NFL or Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills said that when they could provide a further update
Speaker 1: on his health. Mic The last update that we've seen
Speaker 1: Dan one forty eight am from the Buffalo Bills, explaining
Speaker 1: that DeMar Hamlin had cardiac arrest, heartbeat was restored and
Speaker 1: is at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, sedated and
Speaker 1: in critical condition. There's been no further update from that.
Speaker 1: Jordan Rooney, a marketing representative and a friend of Damar
Speaker 1: Hamlin and the Hamlin family, was making the rounds this
Speaker 1: morning Good Morning America and elsewhere, saying they're taking it
Speaker 1: minute by minute at this point confirming he is sedated
Speaker 1: and doctors continue to evaluate and treat DeMar ham The
Speaker 1: NFL's reaction to this as far as the game itself,
Speaker 1: what kind of time frame do you think the NFL
Speaker 1: is under to let us know is this a tie?
Speaker 1: Can they play this game? The importance of it. There
Speaker 1: was a conference call held just after midnight and Jeff Miller,
Speaker 1: the NFL's chief spokesperson, said that there will be a
Speaker 1: conversation at the appropriate time about the game, that that's
Speaker 1: currently not a consideration. The reality, though, is time is
Speaker 1: passing as we await the appropriate time, and I agree
Speaker 1: it's not the appropriate time for the NFL to make
Speaker 1: any decisions. But four days from now, the week eighteen
Speaker 1: games begin. Five days from now, the Bills are due
Speaker 1: to play a team other than the Bengals the Patriots.
Speaker 1: The Bengals are due to play the Ravens, so at
Speaker 1: some point decisions will make themselves and Dan, I see
Speaker 1: two possibilities here. I hadn't thought of declaring the game
Speaker 1: a time. My thought was, Number one, you play Bills
Speaker 1: Bengals this weekend bump week eighteen back wipe out the
Speaker 1: two week break between the conference championships and the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl like they did back in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: where Week two was taken out and tacked onto the
Speaker 1: end of the season. The two week by was eliminated.
Speaker 1: That's one possibility. The other possibility would be to say
Speaker 1: game's not going to be played. Bills and Bengals play sixteen.
Speaker 1: Playoff positioning will be based on winning percentage. They were
Speaker 1: ready to do that in twenty twenty during the pandemic
Speaker 1: when they assumed there would be canceled games and there
Speaker 1: just weren't. The other reality, though, Dan, is when will
Speaker 1: these players be ready to play? The top concern is
Speaker 1: to mar Hamlin. The secondary concern is the mental health
Speaker 1: of the players who witnessed it. Think of the trauma
Speaker 1: that the rest of us experienced seeing it through TV.
Speaker 1: If you were there on the field and you experienced
Speaker 1: it firsthand, lived at firsthand. When will you be ready
Speaker 1: to play football again? I don't know the answer to
Speaker 1: that question, and I think right now nobody knows the
Speaker 1: answer to that question. That is something that the NFL
Speaker 1: needs to take up again at the appropriate time, and
Speaker 1: we don't know when the appropriate time will be. Speaking
Speaker 1: of the game, the NFL kind of the time lapse
Speaker 1: of were they going to play? Were they going to
Speaker 1: come back? Joe Buck mentioned four times that you're going
Speaker 1: to get a five minute warm up period and then
Speaker 1: come back and play. The NFL said, no, that's not
Speaker 1: the case. Why the miscommunication between the NFL and what
Speaker 1: ESPN was reporting. Dan The best I can glean from
Speaker 1: this because Troy Evince, at the executive VP of Football Operations,
Speaker 1: on the conference call I mentioned earlier, was very very clear.
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know where that came from, and
Speaker 1: it's insensitive. It's ridiculous to even have that out there. Now.
Speaker 1: It's possible that standard procedure when there is an injury
Speaker 1: that stops the game for a certain period of time,
Speaker 1: that there's a minimal amount of time that goes by
Speaker 1: that they'll say the teams get five minutes to get
Speaker 1: ready to resume that someone was operating off of that
Speaker 1: manual until they realized we're dealing with a situation for
Speaker 1: which there was no precedent, there is no manual, and
Speaker 1: that became the right solution. So they got to the
Speaker 1: right place. And it may just be as folks were
Speaker 1: trying to do the best they could along the way,
Speaker 1: someone thought that that would be the procedure that would
Speaker 1: be implemented. But it became abundantly clear that the teams
Speaker 1: were not in a position that they could continue last
Speaker 1: night in the NFL made the right decision at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. But I wonder did the NFL
Speaker 1: make this decision or did the head coaches and the
Speaker 1: captains make this decision that they weren't ready to play football,
Speaker 1: Because it felt like they were passing the phone around.
Speaker 1: You saw the two head coaches conferring the NFL rep
Speaker 1: is there. I get the sense that maybe it was
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and coaches who said we're not playing football.
Speaker 1: What do you think what was said last night by
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent was he was basically the point person communicating
Speaker 1: by phone with the referee for the game. Sean Smith
Speaker 1: who was talking to the coaches, Troy Vincent speaking with
Speaker 1: the coaches, Troy Vincent speaking with Commissioner Roger Gordell, and
Speaker 1: also NFL Players Association executive director to Morris Smith, and
Speaker 1: they got to that point, Now, look at if the
Speaker 1: players just can't play, then somebody needs to be the
Speaker 1: first one to say, hey, NFL, we just can't do this,
Speaker 1: because the system is set up, Dan. And this is
Speaker 1: where the unprecedented nature of this, I think is most
Speaker 1: clearly crystallized. Players get injured all the time. The NFL
Speaker 1: is one giant football machine consisting of interchangeable parts, and
Speaker 1: we've heard next man up for years. So somebody gets injured,
Speaker 1: that person is replaced, and the game goes on all
Speaker 1: sorts of various different types and magnitudes of injury. This
Speaker 1: is the first time that the injury created an event
Speaker 1: so horrifying that the players could not continue, the coaches
Speaker 1: could not continue, the game could not continue. And again
Speaker 1: there's no manual, there's no precedent next time it happens,
Speaker 1: and God forbid it doesn't happen anytime soon. If ever,
Speaker 1: there will be a precedent that can be drawn upon.
Speaker 1: But this was the creation of the precedent, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why there may be some miscommunication, misunderstanding. You
Speaker 1: would expect misunderstanding at a time like this when people
Speaker 1: are struggling to understand what's happening. So somebody had to
Speaker 1: be the one to say, I don't think we can
Speaker 1: do it, and the coaches and the quarterbacks, the team
Speaker 1: leaders would be the ones in the best position to
Speaker 1: be the ones to say that. Talking to Mike Florio,
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live co host, I was also wondering
Speaker 1: about Damar Hamlin's tackle on t Higgins because you're taught
Speaker 1: now you can't lead with your the crown of your helmet,
Speaker 1: Like the tackle was different that, you know, he kind
Speaker 1: of tackled him with his chests. He took the hit there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if these defensive backs now are conditioned
Speaker 1: that they have to learn how to tackle differently. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that impacted this at all because
Speaker 1: he took the brunt of t Higgins's helmet to his chest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Dan, that's a good point. But the thing
Speaker 1: that I drew from it, I didn't notice anything that
Speaker 1: seemed out of the ordinary as we now are conditioned
Speaker 1: to watch defensive players tackle receivers because we don't see
Speaker 1: what we used to see all the time. They hit
Speaker 1: last Monday Night by Derwin James. If the charge was
Speaker 1: on Ashton Duel and of the cults that was commonplace,
Speaker 1: we see it now and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. So the game has changed. And
Speaker 1: with the concern about head and neck injuries, it's easy
Speaker 1: to lose sight of the fact that there are all
Speaker 1: sorts of other ways that you can get seriously injured
Speaker 1: playing football. The head and the neck are the most
Speaker 1: common concern now, but Chris Simms almost died in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six because he had a ruptured spleen that
Speaker 1: wasn't detected until after the game ended, and he'd been
Speaker 1: hit multiple times by various Carolina Panthers defensive players, and
Speaker 1: he almost died, not on the field, in the locker room,
Speaker 1: on the way to the hospital, at the hospital from
Speaker 1: the blood loss. But it's there. There are plenty of
Speaker 1: other serious injuries you can have when you play football
Speaker 1: at any level, and last night underscores that all right.
Speaker 1: Once again, if we get an update on Damar Hamlin,
Speaker 1: we will certainly pass that on to you. There's other
Speaker 1: football to talk about with Mike Florio. The Jim Harball
Speaker 1: back to the NFL, does it feel real? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, I candid with you. I've quit thinking
Speaker 1: about everything else right now, and that's a decision that
Speaker 1: each individual has to make. But I don't care about
Speaker 1: Jim Harball right now. Okay, I really don't. We're not
Speaker 1: covering anything else until this Damar Hamlin thing is resolved.
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, thank you. We appreciate your time. All right, Dan.
Speaker 1: That's Mike Floria, Pro Football Talk Live, co host NFL
Speaker 1: Insider with Football Night in America. We cover what we cover,
Speaker 1: and our approach is still that these are NFL stories,
Speaker 1: and I certainly in respect Mike's approach to this, and
Speaker 1: even when we reached out to him, he said, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have anything to add, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'd still like your perspective on this. So the Jim
Speaker 1: Harball situation, it feels fluid. Sean Payton coming back that
Speaker 1: feels fluid as well. Sean Payton certainly seems like a
Speaker 1: number one seed. But if I'm Sean Payton and coming back,
Speaker 1: I don't want to just come back for a job.
Speaker 1: I want to come back for the right job. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think Sean Payton is looking at the
Speaker 1: Chargers or you know, probably telling friends. It was reported
Speaker 1: that the two places would be the Cowboys and the Chargers.
Speaker 1: And last I look there in the playoffs, So that
Speaker 1: might be a little tough there. But is Denver? Does
Speaker 1: he want to go into the Denver situation? The Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinal situation not open? Would he want to go into
Speaker 1: that Carolina? Would he want to go back to the Saints? See?
Speaker 1: Those jobs wouldn't intrigue me. But I would wait another
Speaker 1: year if I if I don't have the right job,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back, you know, spending one
Speaker 1: year in TV just to go back. Yeah, polling. I
Speaker 1: read an article yesterday comparing Sean payton situation going to
Speaker 1: TV at a relatively young age for a coach to
Speaker 1: Bill Kauer when he left the Steelers. Bill Kawer was
Speaker 1: the guy you wanted. It was beyond the like, like
Speaker 1: you said, the one seed and Bill Kauer sat out
Speaker 1: of year, watched some high school basketball with his kids,
Speaker 1: and then sat out another year. And their speculation that
Speaker 1: it wasn't the right job opening, and then he just
Speaker 1: never came back. The lifestyle appealed to him of less
Speaker 1: pressure and more family time. And again, Sean Payton, you've
Speaker 1: had you'd about a few months ago, and he seems
Speaker 1: clearly competitive still. Yeah, but Bill Kauer, I think also
Speaker 1: realized that he had forged a Hall of Fame career
Speaker 1: and he had lost his wife. He's watching his daughters
Speaker 1: grow up. I think you know that comfort level once
Speaker 1: you get past the first couple of years, when you know,
Speaker 1: this is the time I go to training camp, or
Speaker 1: this is when we have games. You know that Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: If you get past that feeling, that helps you move
Speaker 1: on to whatever the next job you're going to have.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton is still doing games. He's only a year removed,
Speaker 1: and he probably feels like and rightfully so, he has
Speaker 1: a lot more to prove accomplished. Yeah. Sean Payton just
Speaker 1: turned fifty nine years old last week. He stopped coaching
Speaker 1: at age fifty eight. Bill Kauer stopped coaching at age
Speaker 1: forty nine. Yeah, which was pretty surprising to me because
Speaker 1: he always liked gruffin older and guy. But he was
Speaker 1: forty nine when he left the coaching profession. Well, how
Speaker 1: old was John Madden? I think he was under forty four? Man,
Speaker 1: he was relatively young, and he coached for ten years
Speaker 1: and then decided that he was going to call it
Speaker 1: not everybody's a lifer. How old was maddening? Madden stopped
Speaker 1: coaching at age forty three. Okay, A couple of phone
Speaker 1: calls in here, Charlie and Ohio, Hi Charlie, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind? Hey? Dan? I just want to tell you
Speaker 1: I went to the game last night and I had
Speaker 1: like about a solid hour of just straight vistoria. I
Speaker 1: was in the in the in the line to get
Speaker 1: in the game and help above me on the balconies,
Speaker 1: Ikey Woods just hyping up fans. We get in the game.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with Bills fans. We're all dapping each other up,
Speaker 1: talking about the Joany Dalton, you know, all that donation
Speaker 1: money and all that stuff. And within like within an hour,
Speaker 1: dead silent, crowd, dead silent. And we don't have the
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there in the game, like, we don't
Speaker 1: have the commentators, we have nothing. All we have is
Speaker 1: something I've never seen ever. The whole Bill's sideline surrounds
Speaker 1: this guy. I've never as soon as that happened and
Speaker 1: their players were crying, my only thought, I was, like,
Speaker 1: he has passed away. We've we've seen someone passed away
Speaker 1: on a field. I've never the innerfel is so pc
Speaker 1: and like buttoned up to watch players. Just a whole sidebine,
Speaker 1: clear out surround the guys so we can't see what's
Speaker 1: going on, and for the amblans just to sit there.
Speaker 1: And the saddest part was there was you know, that
Speaker 1: slow crap when when I injured player gets off the field.
Speaker 1: That happened two times, and all it was because we
Speaker 1: couldn't see. People were just cropping and by times it
Speaker 1: was just all of us as fans like, please be okay,
Speaker 1: please be alive. Yeah, I mean we're conditioned for that, Charlie,
Speaker 1: and thank you. You know, player comes off, you give
Speaker 1: him a light round of applause, he gives the thumbs up,
Speaker 1: and then we move on third down, Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: play football. Mark and Toledo, Hey, Mark, what's on your
Speaker 1: mind today? Sailor down? Yeah? This um just was different
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm kind of looking at it from
Speaker 1: the business side of the NFL because they've always been
Speaker 1: the teflon shield. There's never been really a scandal that
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to navigate, whether it's been the CTE,
Speaker 1: you know, the discipline policy that was kind of all
Speaker 1: over the place, and even some of these owners bad
Speaker 1: behavior with politics and whatnot. This had that feeling where
Speaker 1: if it got mishandled, they were not going to be
Speaker 1: able to dodge this bullet. And even though there was
Speaker 1: no way to put a viewership number or a revenue
Speaker 1: loss number or a TV or anything like that, it
Speaker 1: seemed like if they really screw this up, there was
Speaker 1: going to be a substantial amount of loss across that board.
Speaker 1: And you get that five minute time or you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of hear that and you think, oh, they
Speaker 1: really are going to mess this up. Because I've had friends,
Speaker 1: because of a variety of things, say I'm not watching
Speaker 1: the NFL no more for whatever reason ticks them off
Speaker 1: at that time and place. The next week, they're back
Speaker 1: in front of the TV, they're watching it. I didn't
Speaker 1: have that feeling this time. I had that feeling that
Speaker 1: this might be it for some of these fans that
Speaker 1: said we're not going to deal with this anymore. The
Speaker 1: NFL cannot just be so business like that there's no
Speaker 1: care for that person on it and again, and we
Speaker 1: don't know that. Mark. I understand we're speculating here. It
Speaker 1: was an imperfect situation last night, but the five minute
Speaker 1: get ready to go back and play was cringeworthy. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to I'd love to have an explanation here.
Speaker 1: The commissioner doesn't come on this show, but I'd love
Speaker 1: to have somebody give me an explanation of was there
Speaker 1: a five minute roundup call to say, hey, let's get
Speaker 1: back and get ready to play. There's so many great
Speaker 1: stories last night, the medical personnel doing their job, having
Speaker 1: the medical facilities there on the sidelines to save his life.
Speaker 1: If this was a generation ago, are they capable? I
Speaker 1: mentioned Hank Gathers in the first hour I was doing
Speaker 1: Sports Center that night. They didn't have a defibrillator there
Speaker 1: that could have saved his life. Now, every basketball arena
Speaker 1: in America has one, probably your high school one or
Speaker 1: a lot of high school ones. Yeah. More, do you
Speaker 1: think this becomes a rallying cry for the Bills, like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's do this for sure, Hamlin, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of get them going going into the playoffs, well,
Speaker 1: that's tricky where you go. Can we do it this
Speaker 1: week where we have the Patriots like it might be
Speaker 1: once you get into the postseason, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: just imagine if something happened in here with one of
Speaker 1: us and then all of a sudden, somebody says, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys got to come back to work to tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Hey let's go. I don't know. I mean, I gotta
Speaker 1: be fair to these players because they're people. You know,
Speaker 1: we're so custom due. Oh yeah, they got a jersey
Speaker 1: on and a helmet on, and you know, they got
Speaker 1: a name on their back. And no, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old kid. I mean, he's a man,
Speaker 1: but he's a he's twenty four years of age. I
Speaker 1: have a daughter his age like here just going and
Speaker 1: his mom is there at the game. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: just trying to process all this, but through it all,
Speaker 1: you still have to look at the other tentacles that
Speaker 1: are attached to this, the other stories. And that's the
Speaker 1: hard part is that's where you come off as you
Speaker 1: don't care if there was a five minute let's get
Speaker 1: ready to come back. I have a real problem with that.
Speaker 1: But I want to be fair to everybody involved. All
Speaker 1: I can go on is what Joe said last night
Speaker 1: four times. You would think after the first one, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just apply logic here. First time he says it.
Speaker 1: The NFL has got to be listening watching. Would somebody say,
Speaker 1: please tell Joe that that's not the case. He said
Speaker 1: it four times. Why didn't somebody correct Joe? Why didn't
Speaker 1: the commissioner Troy Vincent called the control room? Hey, that's
Speaker 1: not true, right then? The NFL is a conference call
Speaker 1: later on round after midnight. That's when they started to
Speaker 1: clean it up. I don't know what's fact in fiction here.
Speaker 1: Those are two different stories. Take a break back after this.
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Speaker 1: more phone calls in here Chris and South Carolina. Hi Chris,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? Good morning? Dan has
Speaker 1: always placed with the kind of somble this morning. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to call and I have a brief insight
Speaker 1: for you, and then a quick question and comment of
Speaker 1: the insight is I was a corman, a paramedic in
Speaker 1: a Marine corps for twenty years and when I retired
Speaker 1: from there, I was a paramedic and civilian life for
Speaker 1: about fifteen years. And it was actually a good sign.
Speaker 1: Last night. I've heard some people comment about, you know
Speaker 1: how long it took to get him off the field
Speaker 1: and get him an ambulance and get him loaded up.
Speaker 1: That was actually a good sign. Listen, when you go
Speaker 1: to what we call a code A cardiac arrest, one
Speaker 1: of the first things you have to we have to
Speaker 1: do is we have to put him on an EKG
Speaker 1: monitor because there are several different types of heart attacks
Speaker 1: or cardiac arrest that you can go in and we
Speaker 1: need to know that so we can treat accordling with
Speaker 1: the accordingly with the appropriate drugs. So when I was
Speaker 1: sitting there watching an unfold last night, I was actually
Speaker 1: a good sign that they were taking so long, because
Speaker 1: that means they actually got a heart rhythm or a
Speaker 1: heartbeat on the monitor. Because if they were there he
Speaker 1: was fifty or coding out or flatlining as the lay
Speaker 1: person calls that, they would have slashed him up and
Speaker 1: put him in the back of the unit and took
Speaker 1: off right there. The number one thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: to get them stabilized. Once you do get a heart
Speaker 1: rhythm back, get them stabilized and then you know you'd
Speaker 1: have to scrap them. You know, you got to get
Speaker 1: them ready for transport. So yeah, that was actually a
Speaker 1: good sign last night with them taking so long. You know,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Chris, but do you give me the
Speaker 1: I guess the procedure. So on the field, establish a pulse,
Speaker 1: then put him in the ambulance to then take him
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Correct. Well, once the first responders of
Speaker 1: the paramedic scot there, the first thing they would have
Speaker 1: done once they realized he did not have a pault
Speaker 1: is they started CPR to try to regain a pulse. Also,
Speaker 1: at the same time, they would be doing what they
Speaker 1: call artificial ventilating, which would be they'd have a mask
Speaker 1: over his face with a bag and they would be
Speaker 1: pumping air into his lungs so he wouldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: of any brain damage would occurred. They would be able
Speaker 1: to keep oxygen going to his body while they're trying
Speaker 1: to regain a pulse. And once they gained that pulse,
Speaker 1: you know, then they start with the IV so they
Speaker 1: can get cardiac drugs. Any they look at a scrip
Speaker 1: that comes off of the EKG monitor, it looks like
Speaker 1: a little rap. Everybody seen him, the little pulsing line,
Speaker 1: you know, that tells us as paramedics what type of
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest that he's in, whether it's the atrial, the
Speaker 1: top of the heart, at the bottom of the heart,
Speaker 1: so forth, and so on. Well, thank you for giving
Speaker 1: me all that information, Chris. I appreciate that great insight there,
Speaker 1: because I was wondering the longer that ambulance stayed on
Speaker 1: the field, wasn't getting worse than Chris is saying no,
Speaker 1: that that was actually a good sign. We had no idea.
Speaker 1: There's very little info. There's only so much that the
Speaker 1: ESPN team could do because you don't have access. Then
Speaker 1: even the people who were on the field around him,
Speaker 1: you know, those that have information aren't talking because they're
Speaker 1: trying to save his life. And then we just saw
Speaker 1: the player's reactions after that. As Mike Floria was pointing out,
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL is going to have to have
Speaker 1: some kind of scenario here, and could you push the
Speaker 1: playoffs back, could you take away one of the two
Speaker 1: weeks that you have, and could you then reschedule this game?
Speaker 1: Could you have this weekend's games, could you play it
Speaker 1: this weekend could you then play the final week the
Speaker 1: you know, move that back as well. So he was
Speaker 1: providing a couple of different scenarios there, or do you
Speaker 1: just say the Bengals and the Bills, we're going with
Speaker 1: winning percentage when it comes to playoff seating there that
Speaker 1: instead of who's got the most wins or tiebreakers, that
Speaker 1: it could come down to winning percentage with these teams.
Speaker 1: But the NFL is going to have something to say.
Speaker 1: I would imagine over the next day or so more
Speaker 1: phone calls coming up. In the final hour of the program.
Speaker 1: If you missed the interview that we did with the
Speaker 1: reporter was on this scene, Joe Danneman, who was a
Speaker 1: sports anchor in Cincinnati. I want to bring that back
Speaker 1: next hour around eleven thirty Eastern. He saw everything. He
Speaker 1: was there on the sidelines and really gave a great
Speaker 1: update on Unless I have further information on the health
Speaker 1: of Damar Hamlin, then I'll bring that back. As of
Speaker 1: right now, we have no information Buffalo Bills, Paul. He's
Speaker 1: been checking the website see if there's any updates. Nobody's
Speaker 1: tweeting about this. Nothing from the NFL yet, so we
Speaker 1: can only hope. But final hour coming up. More of
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