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Speaker 1: I am here with the new guests of the show,

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Speaker 1: We can get into all that later, but first, wow,

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Speaker 1: M So, how are you feeling? So how is your Jones?

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Speaker 1: Like where are you at in the in the Jones

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Speaker 1: It's five to seven step drops and he has to

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Speaker 1: This this it's so ugly because I still I'm not

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Speaker 1: like they're gonna be in this thing. They're gonna win

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Speaker 1: some of these division games somehow. Like the Eagles are

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Speaker 1: gonna keep throwing to Hikim Butler in his first ever

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Speaker 1: myself on the back. I was an anti. Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's good. And they throw to him on the goal

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, even if you don't agree with his philosophy

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Speaker 1: he's good at building it. The way he wants to

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Speaker 1: build an offensive line is still horrible. The defensive line

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Speaker 1: even building the team in like how he envisions it.

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Speaker 1: While the the Egos build it up front, their defensive

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Speaker 1: line still healthy. Maybe they get some some people back

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Lane Johnson was in and out

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Speaker 1: this this game. This result did make me think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe they can scratch out these NFC East winds. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they can get to seven or eight wins and and

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Speaker 1: uh keep us from carrying about the Washington football team

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Speaker 1: in the New York Times the rest of the year.

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Speaker 1: You know we care about you, Stephen. We're glad uh

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Speaker 1: you joined us tonight. I appreciate you doing it. You

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Speaker 1: you're at four of the win a USA Today joint.

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Speaker 1: What's the name of your podcast, The Counter? The Counter?

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Speaker 1: I knew that, Um, everyone check out The Counter downloaded.

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Speaker 1: Stephen is an awesome follow on Twitter. You should follow

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Speaker 1: him there and the stuff he does at for the Win.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best best young guys in the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how young you look here young. Um,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me, Stephen for Erica tam Posey, who's

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Speaker 1: behind the mic. We will be back here on Sunday

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Speaker 1: for our recap show. Congratulations Egos fans, You're gonna win this.

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Speaker 1: We'll see