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Speaker 8: It is Tuesday, August thirteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 8: episode number sixteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break,
Speaker 8: Live from Oxnard, California. We are entering the third week
Speaker 8: of training camp out here in Oxnard. We will have
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Speaker 9: Man, I am sick of you counting these damn man,
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Speaker 8: let's talk about Cowboys game. They had their first preseason
Speaker 8: game over the weekend.
Speaker 6: We were there.
Speaker 8: Uh, they played the Los Angeles Rams. They lose thirteen
Speaker 8: twelve scores. Not really that important. You come out of
Speaker 8: practice preseason games. You want to get some good work
Speaker 8: for your young guys, and you want to keep everybody healthy.
Speaker 8: Cowboys stayed pretty clean. One injury that did happen during
Speaker 8: the game Toomey Dooga.
Speaker 10: What do we know at this point, Yeah, Chumaydoga.
Speaker 11: He left in the first quarter and he was seen
Speaker 11: with a boot around his left foot going into the
Speaker 11: rest of the game and then going into the locker room.
Speaker 11: He was in street clothes and had that boot on
Speaker 11: his left foot. And it's kind of interesting too, because
Speaker 11: this time last year he was battling an ankle out
Speaker 11: here at training camp. But it seems at this time
Speaker 11: it's sounding to be a little bit more serious. We'll
Speaker 11: find out more for Mike McCarthy today at his press
Speaker 11: conference eleven thirty a in Pacific one thirty three folks
Speaker 11: back out in Dallas. But that could be that could
Speaker 11: be the catalyst towards Tyler Geiton getting some more first
Speaker 11: team reps. I know a lot of people have been
Speaker 11: asking for it, and I think the virus that he
Speaker 11: had a couple of weeks ago maybe slowed the process
Speaker 11: even from the coaching staff's perspective. But now it sounds
Speaker 11: like there's gonna be a huge opportunity in front of
Speaker 11: him this week, not only in the game on Saturday
Speaker 11: against the Raiders, but another joint practice with the Rams
Speaker 11: on Wednesday.
Speaker 10: So expects sixty to get a lot of work.
Speaker 6: It's one of the things.
Speaker 8: It's one of the things actually that that coming out
Speaker 8: of that game he got a lot more work than
Speaker 8: maybe they were even expecting for him.
Speaker 6: Would you guys see from him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 9: The thing with the thing with Geyton, and it's so
Speaker 9: evident and by the way, if he could go of
Speaker 9: missing a week of practice basically and playing at the
Speaker 9: level that he played at in that football game, it's
Speaker 9: kind of a good sign for your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Right there with it.
Speaker 9: It's fun to watch him play when you could see
Speaker 9: the athletic ability, and especially the very first rep he
Speaker 9: has and it's a pass set and you see him
Speaker 9: duck his head, and usually when an offensive tackle or
Speaker 9: blocker ducks his head, all that waits forward and you
Speaker 9: see the.
Speaker 3: Defender grab and work around him that way.
Speaker 9: But his ability to duck his head but then recover
Speaker 9: with the footwork and then get his hands in place
Speaker 9: and then keep the rusher wide push the rusher by
Speaker 9: that was a really good sign to me.
Speaker 3: That just shows you his athletic ability. It shows you
Speaker 3: the link that he has.
Speaker 9: And from that point on, when you started to evaluate
Speaker 9: him getting off the football in the running game, they
Speaker 9: tried to run the crack toss. He's knocking guys down
Speaker 9: on the crack toss, playing in space. There were a
Speaker 9: lot of positives about a guy, again that didn't practice
Speaker 9: all that much last week, if at all. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: for him to work his way back in I think
Speaker 9: it's a good scignce. It's unfortunate for a Doga. It
Speaker 9: seems like this training camp he has had to deal
Speaker 9: with a lot of things. He had a lower back problem,
Speaker 9: he had backspasms. Now he's got the condition with his foot.
Speaker 9: We'll see how that all plays out. But yeah, they
Speaker 9: now have to kind of figure out how things are
Speaker 9: going to work out at this tackle spot with Geydon,
Speaker 9: Like we get in the line's share of the reps,
Speaker 9: but then what's going to happen behind that, because they
Speaker 9: that's something that you know, you don't want to go
Speaker 9: into the season if a doogas say long term and
Speaker 9: we don't know yet, but you don't want to go
Speaker 9: in there shorthanded with that group.
Speaker 5: Well, with Geyton, I've been extremely impressed knowing that he
Speaker 5: was sick for multiple days and then for him to
Speaker 5: perform the way that he did at the game, I
Speaker 5: mean that is very very promising and I'm super happy
Speaker 5: to see that the hard work that he's been putting
Speaker 5: in all the hours is translating and it's being shown
Speaker 5: on the field. I mean, the guy during the off
Speaker 5: season and even heading here into training camp, you ask him, Hey,
Speaker 5: what do you like doing?
Speaker 7: What's your hobby? What do you do? Football? Football? Football?
Speaker 5: Oh, my time off football, learn more football. So everything
Speaker 5: that has come out of his mouth is all about football.
Speaker 7: So the guy speaking of all in he is all in,
Speaker 7: so he's.
Speaker 5: Putting in the work and anyways, super super exciting to
Speaker 5: see that such a young guy switching positions like that.
Speaker 5: He's coming in and it doesn't look like he's gonna
Speaker 5: miss a beat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so interesting. You look at this team and
Speaker 8: what they've done. Really you could probably go back fifteen
Speaker 8: years or so, and their ability to be able to
Speaker 8: get good offensive linemen. It's like when they when they
Speaker 8: go for those first round offensive linemen, it's very.
Speaker 6: Rare they miss like they they have.
Speaker 8: They have been able to find some really good success there,
Speaker 8: and you look at other franchises less they like the Giants,
Speaker 8: tant so. Yeah, they've spent these first round picks and
Speaker 8: just haven't had the success. Like you, It's not an
Speaker 8: easy thing necessarily to draft, but the Cowboys have been
Speaker 8: really really good at it, at least from what we're
Speaker 8: seeing so far.
Speaker 6: From Guyton.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that you go back to even you
Speaker 9: mentioned go back all the way to Tyron Smith.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think it starts there and then it's the Tyron Smith.
Speaker 9: It's the Zach Martins, it's the Travis Fredericks, It's.
Speaker 6: And Travis Frederick. A lot of people didn't think that
Speaker 6: was no bit.
Speaker 9: That was There was a lot of people that you know,
Speaker 9: when they when they when they dumped out of their
Speaker 9: spot to go all the way to the bottom of
Speaker 9: the board in the draft Travis Frederick and pick up
Speaker 9: an extra third round pick. That was a brilliant move.
Speaker 9: And you're absolutely right. There's a lot of us in
Speaker 9: me included that we're like, whoa, you know, did you
Speaker 9: get the value for the pick, because there there have
Speaker 9: been another player you were taken.
Speaker 3: Why did you trade back? A lot of questions there.
Speaker 9: But to your point, they've done a great job of
Speaker 9: evaluating offensive linemen and especially those first offensive lineman.
Speaker 11: Yeah, going back to Guiden, I think for me, I
Speaker 11: expected him to look pretty good in pass protection against
Speaker 11: the Rams, and he did.
Speaker 10: He looked great. He didn't allow any pressures.
Speaker 11: For me, I've been expecting the inexperience to show up
Speaker 11: in the run game, and for what he did in
Speaker 11: the run game on Sunday, I felt great about it.
Speaker 11: You know, he was able to get get after guys
Speaker 11: at the point of attack he had to push, He
Speaker 11: was able to create running lanes off the left side. Now, granted,
Speaker 11: the running game itself was not great. I'm sure that's
Speaker 11: something we'll dive into. That's becoming a more glaring problem.
Speaker 11: I think his training powers on. But looking from Tyler
Speaker 11: Guiden's perspective specifically, I think he did.
Speaker 10: Just fine in the run game.
Speaker 11: Now, granted it's a very small sample size, but a
Speaker 11: really good start for him on the field.
Speaker 8: All right, let's flip and let's talk about it. I'm
Speaker 8: gonna do some player evaluations as we go throughout the show.
Speaker 8: Really in the second segment, we're going to dedicate it
Speaker 8: to throwing out some names and getting you guys opinions.
Speaker 8: But I think we got to start first with the
Speaker 8: name that I think everybody wants to hear about, which
Speaker 8: is Trey Lance. He gets his debut for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: plays a ton in this game. What were your what
Speaker 8: is your evaluation of him after watching that game?
Speaker 6: What do you think? I think he is reletive? What
Speaker 6: you thought going into the game versus how he played?
Speaker 11: Yeah, my evaluation is he didn't make many mistakes, but
Speaker 11: he didn't he didn't do much to impress either. I mean,
Speaker 11: when you throw the ball forty one times and you
Speaker 11: only end up with one hundred and eighty eight yards.
Speaker 11: I believe that's about four point seven yards per attempt.
Speaker 11: It kind of shows you what he's doing. And even
Speaker 11: when he escaped the pocket, he relied on his throwing side.
Speaker 11: He relied on that right side. And so whenever you
Speaker 11: kind of factor in the fact that he's not pushing
Speaker 11: the ball more than fifteen yards downfield, and when he is,
Speaker 11: he had I think he was about one for five
Speaker 11: he had that completion two or excuse me, that was
Speaker 11: Cooper Rush that had the completion of Jalen Brooks. So
Speaker 11: when you take out fifteen plus yards down the field,
Speaker 11: and then you also factor in that he's been rolling
Speaker 11: to the right and very when he's one read, he's sticking.
Speaker 10: To the right side of the field.
Speaker 11: He's taken away seventy percent of the field and so
Speaker 11: he's not seeing everything completely. He missed a couple of
Speaker 11: guys that were wide open down the field. There was
Speaker 11: one in the fourth quarter to Princeton Fan. I mean
Speaker 11: Fan could have walked in, he could have crawled into
Speaker 11: the end zone and Lance just didn't see him. Obviously,
Speaker 11: the fourth down throw to Jalen Cropper, you know, play call.
Speaker 11: How much is that factor in? But nevertheless, he's got
Speaker 11: to make that throw. He's got to give Cropper a
Speaker 11: chance at least. I think, all in all, I would
Speaker 11: give his performance somewhere in a seed to C minus
Speaker 11: range as far as the grade goes. But he didn't
Speaker 11: make any mistakes. And I think if you're Trey Lance,
Speaker 11: you can look at it from two different perspectives. One, Okay,
Speaker 11: maybe are you a little gun shy to maybe make
Speaker 11: any big chances because you don't want to mess up
Speaker 11: in this big opportunity that you have. But also, on
Speaker 11: the same token, let's say you go and throw an
Speaker 11: interception on the first drive against the Raiders. Maybe it
Speaker 11: kind of calms your nerves and say, okay, I got
Speaker 11: that mistake out the way, let's unleash it a little bit.
Speaker 11: I really do believe the best thing that can happen
Speaker 11: for Trey Lance in the first half next week is
Speaker 11: to throw a bad interception just so he could start
Speaker 11: forcing some things a little bit more and trusting his
Speaker 11: arm a little bit better. I truly do think that's
Speaker 11: when he'll start to grow comfortable in the system and
Speaker 11: in this offense.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing for me and I had a lot
Speaker 7: of hopes in him.
Speaker 5: I remember when we first started doing the show that
Speaker 5: we first got out here at training camp, I mentioned
Speaker 5: him as one of the guys that stood out to
Speaker 5: me based on the way he carried himself the field.
Speaker 7: And you just have that leader vibe and command.
Speaker 5: But then it wasn't and it hasn't been translating onto
Speaker 5: play the playing and nothing at practice, because I would
Speaker 5: say I would give him the benefit of the dow
Speaker 5: after this game. Had I seen anything that would make
Speaker 5: me hold on to the hope that he can be
Speaker 5: more and right now, so far he hasn't. And the fans,
Speaker 5: I know, I see a lot of questions like, hey,
Speaker 5: can he replace Trey Lance? Can he replace Dak? I mean,
Speaker 5: can Trey replace Dak? I think that answer that answer
Speaker 5: your question. We only have two more preseason games. I
Speaker 5: would assume he takes on most of the playing time there.
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush, what he showed in a little bit and
Speaker 5: what he's shown at training camp is that he's still
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush. He's the Cooper Rush that we've seen and
Speaker 5: he's a very reliable backup quarterback. So right now, Trey
Speaker 5: he's in a spot last year of his contract here
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, and he's going to have to really
Speaker 5: really step it up, because even though you say, Nick,
Speaker 5: that he didn't make a lot of mistakes, and I agree,
Speaker 5: to me, what he didn't do equals us mistakes.
Speaker 7: A little bit.
Speaker 5: Is it's almost equivalent to me what he didn't what
Speaker 5: he wasn't able to do. And a lot of the
Speaker 5: times I like that he shows that he's a mobile
Speaker 5: quarterback and he's not afraid to run. But at the
Speaker 5: same time, I want to see you throwing the ball.
Speaker 5: I don't want to see you running. I need to
Speaker 5: see my running backs running, not you At the moment,
Speaker 5: I want to see what you can do as a quarterback.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we and Nick gave you a really
Speaker 9: good idea of the things I think that he missed,
Speaker 9: and I think that we would have a different view
Speaker 9: of Trey Lance if he completed three passes that we
Speaker 9: were talking about.
Speaker 3: It was so clear.
Speaker 9: And I don't know if Mike McCarthy did this on purpose,
Speaker 9: but the past that they set it up, the one
Speaker 9: de fant to me seem like, Okay, I'm gonna take
Speaker 9: a shot here, we're close.
Speaker 3: To the red zone. I'm gonna run this wheel.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take the back and put him in the
Speaker 9: flat and I'm gonna run the route inside and see
Speaker 9: if I could draw this safety. They got everything they
Speaker 9: wanted out of the play, so it was almost like
Speaker 9: McCarthy said okay, and McCarthy had here's Zimmer not using
Speaker 9: any call sheet and Mike looking like he had a
Speaker 9: menu at a Denny's.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 9: I mean, it was like every play call you can
Speaker 9: imagine on that sheet. And I think Mike might have
Speaker 9: set that up and maybe Trey Lance didn't help him.
Speaker 9: My biggest issue with Trey Lance is I don't think
Speaker 9: he sees the field particularly well. And I say that
Speaker 9: and I don't know if that's something that you can correct.
Speaker 9: You know, when you see him out here practice, there
Speaker 9: are throws.
Speaker 3: That he makes. It's like he didn't see that guy.
Speaker 3: He didn't see that defender.
Speaker 9: He didn't see there were, like I say, there were
Speaker 9: three plays in that game that he might if he
Speaker 9: makes three to three throws seem er out the cropper
Speaker 9: swing pass to fan you know he makes it, or
Speaker 9: the touchdown on fourth down, we might be talking about
Speaker 9: Trey Lance in a different light today.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the thing.
Speaker 9: I'm going to see this thing through because I do
Speaker 9: see the athletic ability. He'll make this receivers work a
Speaker 9: little bit for this football. He's not the most accurate
Speaker 9: guy right now throwing the ball. But what I need
Speaker 9: for him to get better at, and hopefully he can.
Speaker 3: Is seeing the field. Because they did give up some
Speaker 3: opportunities in that game.
Speaker 9: We could be thinking a lot different in talking about him,
Speaker 9: a lot differently. If this all of a sudden is
Speaker 9: a cowboy victory, if it's you know, twenty twenty, you know,
Speaker 9: eight to whatever, you know, whenever the ram you know,
Speaker 9: I think there were some plays that were left on
Speaker 9: this field, and if he continues to lead those plays
Speaker 9: on the field, then he can't be your guy. But
Speaker 9: you know, but there's some there's some promise there. But
Speaker 9: it's just like you say, it's the word consistency, and
Speaker 9: we talk about training camp. It's you can say the
Speaker 9: word consistency for a lot of different players on this
Speaker 9: practice field.
Speaker 5: But the thing with him is like what he has
Speaker 5: issues with which you're talking about seeing the field, that
Speaker 5: takes time, Like I don't see it's changing in two
Speaker 5: weeks less of what's left of the preseason. So that's
Speaker 5: the issue for me, it's like what he needs to
Speaker 5: learn it comes with experience and time.
Speaker 3: So oh no, you don't time, bro, though you're you're.
Speaker 9: You're really you're running out of time. You're running out
Speaker 9: of time. If you want to make the evaluation, can
Speaker 9: he be your guy? And you might even make the
Speaker 9: evaluation without the time. You might Now depending on what
Speaker 9: happens with Dak, that's a whole nother story. You know,
Speaker 9: there's people out there to say that maybe, hey, no,
Speaker 9: they don't have a quarterback here. They're going to have
Speaker 9: to address that. So to me, I can understand they
Speaker 9: worked a year with him, but even though it was
Speaker 9: just you know, we never saw it. Right now we're
Speaker 9: seeing it. We're seeing a but there's some things that
Speaker 9: he clearly has got to get better at. And it's
Speaker 9: a lot with these young quarterbacks. If they don't see
Speaker 9: the field particularly well, it's hard to play at a
Speaker 9: high level because you're constantly fighting Okay, why did you
Speaker 9: do that?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 9: Why oh, you didn't see that defender. You know that
Speaker 9: the Rams are probably looking they won that game the
Speaker 9: other day, but they're looking at Stets and Bennet like,
Speaker 9: what the hell were you looking at?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 10: Wins though, he finds a way to win.
Speaker 3: What No, No, you know it's a little bit different.
Speaker 9: You won the game, he had a nice drive, he
Speaker 9: made a nice throw and four down to win that game.
Speaker 9: But up until that point, you're going, what the hell
Speaker 9: this guy was a National championship quarterback.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's an SEC fan out there going like, yeah,
Speaker 11: we've seen that a few times, at least five or
Speaker 11: six times actly, So really quick with Trey Lance, I
Speaker 11: think from a fan perspective, I think fans are like
Speaker 11: seeing him in the preseason and saying, can he be
Speaker 11: QB one? Can he be this top option if if
Speaker 11: they don't resign Deck. I don't think that should be
Speaker 11: the mentality should be can he be QB two? Yeah,
Speaker 11: because I believe that they re signed Dak. I still
Speaker 11: feel that that's about an eighty percent chance of happening
Speaker 11: at some point, whether that be before the season or
Speaker 11: in free agency next year. You match Trey Lance's deal
Speaker 11: to DAX deal from a time perspective, and you let
Speaker 11: Trey be that QB two to DAK. Because Cooper Rush
Speaker 11: is also going into the final year of his deal.
Speaker 11: He's a thirty year old backup quarterback. A, he probably
Speaker 11: wants a bigger opportunity for himself, and then B, you
Speaker 11: probably want a younger guy to back up Dak Prescott
Speaker 11: because if you don't want injuries to start mounting. And
Speaker 11: so I think that the mentality should be, if everything
Speaker 11: goes right with Trey Lance and he can prove that
Speaker 11: he can be a QB two, then let him be
Speaker 11: that QB two and twenty twenty five and beyond, and
Speaker 11: go draft a guy in the later rounds next year
Speaker 11: and work that young guy in the development program. But first,
Speaker 11: Trey's got to show that he can be a backup quarterback,
Speaker 11: and I haven't necessarily seen that yet.
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Speaker 8: to look at some different players played in this game
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Speaker 8: Let's do some player evaluations. I want to start first
Speaker 8: with the defensive front. Talk about the defensive tackle position.
Speaker 8: Mazzi Smith, Justin Rogers, Carl Davis, Albert Huggins. What do
Speaker 8: you guys see from these players? And I guess let's
Speaker 8: start first with Mazzi. Obviously he's the one everybody wants
Speaker 8: to know, but probably played the least of these guys.
Speaker 8: What did you see from the defensive tackle position, particularly Mazzi.
Speaker 6: Let's start with Mazzi.
Speaker 10: I ran point on Tree. You can run point on
Speaker 10: Mazzi if you want.
Speaker 9: I think the thing with Mazzi is when you watch
Speaker 9: Mozzie Smith play and you don't see his numbers from
Speaker 9: the sideline copy, you don't see a five and an
Speaker 9: eight means he's playing square. And I think there were
Speaker 9: several snaps where you watch Mozzie play square, they get
Speaker 9: on him about his hands. Coach Sagina does, It's always
Speaker 9: about inside Mazzie. We talk about that quite a bit.
Speaker 9: It's about extension, it's about balance with his feet, it's
Speaker 9: about dis gaging with the blocks Mazzi. Smith did all
Speaker 9: the things they're asking him to do. Technique wise. He
Speaker 9: didn't get washed out of plays, he didn't get turned,
Speaker 9: he didn't get just bullied in this game. He did
Speaker 9: a really good job of dealing with that. The extension
Speaker 9: I thought was really good. The screenplay we all saw
Speaker 9: where he was able to you know, with Bolander the center,
Speaker 9: he able to extend, He finds the ball, he gets rid,
Speaker 9: and now he moves into space and then he makes
Speaker 9: the tackle. Those are the kinds of things you expect
Speaker 9: to see from Mazzie Smith. That's the kind of player
Speaker 9: that we use the word capable. That is a capable
Speaker 9: football player. That is a player you can win with
Speaker 9: playing at that level. Next play, Mazzie Smith decides he
Speaker 9: wants to take a playoff and doesn't want to rush
Speaker 9: and doesn't want to try and play technique consistency.
Speaker 3: With Mazzie Smith.
Speaker 9: You can't keep doing one or two good things and
Speaker 9: then decide to take plays off. If you have to
Speaker 9: play six plays in a series, I need you to
Speaker 9: play hard all six plays. You know, they'll find ways
Speaker 9: to get you out of the game. But as far
Speaker 9: as overall what you're seeing from him, that was a
Speaker 9: step in the right direction that game for him.
Speaker 3: They could coach off that they can see.
Speaker 9: See, Mazzie, see what happens when you do what we
Speaker 9: ask you to do when you're not a one legged
Speaker 9: football player. You get your hands inside, when you find
Speaker 9: the football, when you show effort, when you go and
Speaker 9: make plays. We can win with that kind of player
Speaker 9: right there. But then the very next play he goes
Speaker 9: back into just okay, made a play. No, we're trying
Speaker 9: to get off the field, trying to get off the
Speaker 9: field here, You've got it one more time. You got
Speaker 9: to find a way to take that center or that
Speaker 9: guard and drive him back in the in the pocket
Speaker 9: and affect the play. And so I'm gonna say it
Speaker 9: was positive from the aspect of what we've we've seen
Speaker 9: because it's been really up and down. I thought there
Speaker 9: were more good plays than bad plays with Manzi Smith
Speaker 9: the other day.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree, And when Brian says getting square, I
Speaker 11: refer to it as getting wide and just getting getting
Speaker 11: in the way of running lanes. And I thought he
Speaker 11: did a good job of it, and in the playing
Speaker 11: time that he did get on Sunday, you mentioned that
Speaker 11: screenplay and that was that was the one that really
Speaker 11: stood out to me too, because that's instincts. And yes,
Speaker 11: he was going against Boatlimmer. He should be having the
Speaker 11: upper hand against a guy like Botlimmer who was just
Speaker 11: drafted a rookie. Still, it was his first taste of
Speaker 11: NFL action. You know, you want to see Mozzie Smith
Speaker 11: doing that against ones out here, maybe in the joint
Speaker 11: practice again on Wednesday. But it's a good confidence stacker
Speaker 11: for him, and I think if this team does not
Speaker 11: want to address putting another one tech on the field
Speaker 11: after after training camp, then you know, Mazzie Smith really
Speaker 11: needs to be stacking confidence out here in these preseason games.
Speaker 10: For sure, I.
Speaker 5: Agree on the lack of consistency, but one of the
Speaker 5: things that I was paying attention to and wanted to
Speaker 5: see is, Okay, how is he going to perform overall
Speaker 5: after going through a couple of weeks of mental in
Speaker 5: a way I cannot pronounce this coach's name, help me
Speaker 5: cannot but again, and Briant has talked about it on
Speaker 5: the show. I mean, you you stand by where they are,
Speaker 5: you just hear the language and all that, and you're like,
Speaker 5: oh my, okay. If that was me, I'm like, all right, guys,
Speaker 5: I'm out piece deuce. But no, it was the mental
Speaker 5: aspect for me, and I thought he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 5: Where you're me, I'm looking, is he gonna tear him down?
Speaker 5: Or is he gonna step up and rise through it?
Speaker 5: And I think it's headed towards the right direction in
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 8: When you look at those other defensive tackles, it seemed
Speaker 8: like and this might have just been like you know,
Speaker 8: sometimes you're in a game, you're watching a game and
Speaker 8: it kind of just feels you feel certain things. Yeah,
Speaker 8: in the second part of the first quarter and into
Speaker 8: the second quarter, it seemed like they were getting run
Speaker 8: on like it consistently. It seemed like they were just
Speaker 8: getting kind of run straight up the white bottoms. Wasn't
Speaker 8: more of the linebackers.
Speaker 9: What happens is they Leafel needs to play more snaps
Speaker 9: and he needs just for his own sake. But you
Speaker 9: had when you look at at the Cowboys and really
Speaker 9: what and how things were. I there were times where,
Speaker 9: like I say, where Davis was really really square and
Speaker 9: you see the back have to make a decision on
Speaker 9: which way to go.
Speaker 3: And then and all of a sudden, then you're in it.
Speaker 9: You're in that mode where you're looking at it and
Speaker 9: you're going, wait a minute, where are the linebackers here?
Speaker 9: You know where where's uh, you know, where's Willie Harvey?
Speaker 9: You know, all of a sudden, it's leaf Al and
Speaker 9: Harvey are like, what are you looking at?
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's it's it's like they were.
Speaker 9: And I'm not gonna say the word guessing, but I'm
Speaker 9: gonna say the word guessing because we've seen these guys
Speaker 9: fit finish, fit, finish, and it was like, okay, ball
Speaker 9: coming and now all of a sudden, you're reading scheme,
Speaker 9: you're seeing a poller, you're seeing a down block, and
Speaker 9: now you're flying this way and it just creates a
Speaker 9: natural gap.
Speaker 3: So linebackers missed some fits, and I.
Speaker 9: Felt like the defensive tackles for the most part, did
Speaker 9: their jobs when the squareness. Davis Rogers, I thought, played
Speaker 9: really well in this game where you know when you
Speaker 9: go back and watch him play, but these linebackers they
Speaker 9: needed it, not so much like the first guy you
Speaker 9: saw with overshown and Clark overshowns a little bit of
Speaker 9: a slippery guy in between. You know, he beats the
Speaker 9: block inside down run defense, then you see all of
Speaker 9: a sudden balls the outside. He's there again. Clark's taken
Speaker 9: on blocks. He saw it better up front. When you
Speaker 9: see square linemen and linebackers filling, you see better run there.
Speaker 9: There was a time where Carl Davis, they played great
Speaker 9: on the run defense. Davis takes the guard back in
Speaker 9: the backfield. You stop the tape there, and now the
Speaker 9: back is having to decide where do I go. He
Speaker 9: goes to his right. Now you got downhill linebacker safety.
Speaker 9: Now coming in the hole, everybody's there, everybody's playing it
Speaker 9: the right way. That's run defense. But sometimes with run defense,
Speaker 9: it's not all about the defensive linemen. Those linebackers can't guess.
Speaker 9: And I do say this about lea foul and I'm
Speaker 9: not this is not a criticism.
Speaker 3: He needs to play more. But they they were really him.
Speaker 9: They were really really anxious with him and Harvey were
Speaker 9: really super anxious the way they were playing in that
Speaker 9: game the other day.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a couple of clips of Harvey that have
Speaker 11: kind of made their way on Twitter of him just
Speaker 11: guessing the wrong running lanes. And it was tough because
Speaker 11: I felt like he was having a strong camp. But
Speaker 11: as far as a defensive perspective, he didn't look great
Speaker 11: in that game. But the linebacker position doesn't necessarily concern me.
Speaker 11: But there were some running lane discipline things that I
Speaker 11: think you can look at and you could point to
Speaker 11: as possible film corrections going into week two. But you
Speaker 11: mentioned the defensive tackles. The one name he didn't mention
Speaker 11: is Albert Huggins, one of the newest atliss Yeah. I
Speaker 11: think he got caught on his back a couple of times.
Speaker 11: You talk about the sidelines tape. You saw his number
Speaker 11: a couple of times too. I think he could have
Speaker 11: had a better preseason debut. But as far as the
Speaker 11: other guy's talking about Rogers, talking about Mazi Carl Davis,
Speaker 11: I liked what I saw from those guys, and I
Speaker 11: think more so whenever you look at the problems that
Speaker 11: stemmed up front in that game, was lack of pressure
Speaker 11: generated from the ends. I mean they were not getting
Speaker 11: home at all, and while Stetson Bennett didn't make a
Speaker 11: lot of mistakes, I don't think they were necessarily caused
Speaker 11: by the pressure. I think it was more so caused
Speaker 11: by the disguise coverage.
Speaker 3: Can I say this so real quick?
Speaker 9: When you start talking about defensive tackles and Nick, I
Speaker 9: don't know if you thought or you guys maybe saw yourselves.
Speaker 9: I kind of felt like the Hoko and Golston looked.
Speaker 3: Better playing his edges.
Speaker 9: Then they did his defensive tackles, and we've seen him
Speaker 9: out here a bunch and it's been like someone's like,
Speaker 9: what's what's the Hoko doing. I'm like, kind of a struggle,
Speaker 9: kind of struggled today kind of, but he looked like
Speaker 9: a different player playing in space with wide the ability
Speaker 9: to play the wide rush. And yeah, they didn't get
Speaker 9: home and they don't They really didn't have anybody doing that.
Speaker 9: But it looked like the Golston and him both were
Speaker 9: were more comfortable playing on the edge. And that's maybe
Speaker 9: why you go and get Huggins that maybe he could
Speaker 9: come in and be a backup three.
Speaker 3: Or they take you know, they take Kneelin.
Speaker 9: And when they go to Nickel, they move him inside
Speaker 9: and that way you have Parsons, kneelan Osa and then
Speaker 9: Tank and that's gonna be your pass rush and hopefully
Speaker 9: that's gonna bode better for you getting getting pressures.
Speaker 11: Yeah, to clarify, I don't have any concerns about the
Speaker 11: pass rush unit from this team because again we didn't
Speaker 11: see the one. We didn't get it done yesterday the
Speaker 11: other day though, Yeah, but they did not get it
Speaker 11: done when it comes to rotational bodies, and that's obviously
Speaker 11: a highlight. With Sam Williams going down with his ACL injury,
Speaker 11: who's gonna be those first guys to rotate in and
Speaker 11: right now, I don't think Darrell Johnson showed anything.
Speaker 10: I don't think.
Speaker 11: Al Kanad Muhammad showed anything. Shaka TONI. I didn't see
Speaker 11: a lot from those guys, but you see Golston getting
Speaker 11: off the edge and you see that power and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 11: that looks a lot more natural than coming in at
Speaker 11: three tex So. I think there may be needs to
Speaker 11: be some readjusting a philosophy with a couple of guys,
Speaker 11: I think on the defensive line, because I think you're
Speaker 11: you're not maximizing guys like Golstener. Forojoko, you look at
Speaker 11: Fojoco and what he did well at San Jose State.
Speaker 11: Why he was able to get to the quarterback double
Speaker 11: digit times is his senior season is because he was
Speaker 11: put in space, whether that was inside or out, he
Speaker 11: had more space to operate. And I think if you
Speaker 11: marry that background with a little bit more size, a
Speaker 11: little bit more experience that he has, I think you
Speaker 11: can maximize what he brings to the pass rush.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I think to me, if they're looking at positions,
Speaker 9: if you're just if you're pro scouts and you're kind
Speaker 9: of thinking about things, I know everybody's looking at running back.
Speaker 9: I think everybody's looking at defensive tackle, and I think
Speaker 9: their need to kind of think about looking at edge too.
Speaker 9: I know they brought in Mohammad and Tony and guys
Speaker 9: like that that might you might have to you might
Speaker 9: have to go with an upgrade there to make up
Speaker 9: for the Fouler and the Armstrong and those.
Speaker 3: Types of guys.
Speaker 8: I think that's the biggest key is without Foulo, without Armstrong,
Speaker 8: without Williams, those are three guys that you can say
Speaker 8: what you want about what they were kind of you
Speaker 8: could you could question how much they brought you in
Speaker 8: the run defense, the pass defense. There was no question
Speaker 8: you're bringing those guys in as rotational guys. They were
Speaker 8: getting after the quarterback. And that's the piece where I
Speaker 8: think the Cowboys may miss a little bit this odd
Speaker 8: I mean this season if they don't figure out some
Speaker 8: kind of way to manufacture that a little better. And
Speaker 8: maybe that's with blitzing linebackers those kind of things. I
Speaker 8: think there's some other things they can do, but that's
Speaker 8: gonna be a bit of a challenge for them at
Speaker 8: the edge without those top two guys, or with those
Speaker 8: top two guys having to rotate in and out right.
Speaker 5: Well, I trust in Mike Zimmer. In Mike Zimmer, I
Speaker 5: trust and I trust that after watching film. He's gonna
Speaker 5: get with the defensive line coach and they're gonna change
Speaker 5: things up or improve by this weekend against the Raiders.
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Speaker 8: I actually want to talk about Mike zimmer and in
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Speaker 8: they get four interceptions, which you can put that on
Speaker 8: steats in it, or you can say that this defense
Speaker 8: was just doing some great things. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 3: All right, let's move.
Speaker 8: Let's talk about Mike Zimmer and one of the things
Speaker 8: that we talked a lot about last week and really
Speaker 8: since he's gotten here is Mike Zimmer's defense is built
Speaker 8: on disguise. They they kind of show you lots of
Speaker 8: different things. They got four interceptions in this game, you
Speaker 8: could probably say five. The holding call took back one
Speaker 8: of them. Brian, you mentioned maybe a little bit of
Speaker 8: a Do you think that that was a lot because
Speaker 8: of or do you put that more on Mike Zimmer's
Speaker 8: defense and the disguise and obviously a young quarterback having
Speaker 8: to deal with that, or do you think these defensive
Speaker 8: backs really were just playing an outstanding game to be
Speaker 8: able to because we talked about the pass rush wasn't necessarily.
Speaker 6: Like a killer pass rush.
Speaker 8: Do you think it was just the secondary guys really
Speaker 8: playing outstanding football.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think it's a combination of a few things. I
Speaker 11: think when you look at the four interceptions and you
Speaker 11: look at Okay, let's look at each one in a vacuum.
Speaker 11: How much was a product of the scheme, how much
Speaker 11: was a product of a guy just being in the
Speaker 11: right place. How much of it was a product of
Speaker 11: sets and Bennett just not seeing somebody and making a
Speaker 11: poor decision.
Speaker 10: So I'll go one by one here. Marquise Bell.
Speaker 11: The first interception, he was in the right place, but
Speaker 11: he also had to make a really good play, and
Speaker 11: I think that was a hell of a play by
Speaker 11: Bell to be able to get up there and get that.
Speaker 11: The second interception was to Eric Scott, I believe, and
Speaker 11: that was a product of him just being in the
Speaker 11: right place again, And it was kind of funny because
Speaker 11: he was getting cooked on that drive feed probably had
Speaker 11: two or three plays that he probably would have won
Speaker 11: it back. Then he got it back with the interception
Speaker 11: there in the red zone, and I think that was
Speaker 11: a scheme thing. I think that was Scott just being
Speaker 11: in the right spot. Then you look at interception number
Speaker 11: three Julius Wood, and I have to give all credit
Speaker 11: to Wood there.
Speaker 10: I mean, he was playing in his zone. He was
Speaker 10: doing what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 11: Is that single high safety which by the way, we
Speaker 11: saw a lot of single high safety looks, which I.
Speaker 18: Was at that one was at too deep. That wasn't
Speaker 18: too deep because they caught the crosser. That's right, that's right,
Speaker 18: and he stepped right in front of the crosser. He
Speaker 18: made a hell of a play. He was able to
Speaker 18: just get to the ball before the receiver did. Stetson
Speaker 18: put it a little bit out in front. But I
Speaker 18: think overall, I think it was a really good play
Speaker 18: from Wood. And then the fourth interception, Brock Mogens and
Speaker 18: stets and Benches didn't see him. He threw it right
Speaker 18: to Brock's hands, So I think I think all in all,
Speaker 18: the defensive system is definitely confusing quarterbacks off of the
Speaker 18: one game that we have against a third string quarterback.
Speaker 18: But I also think there's some there's some application, especially
Speaker 18: by these rookies in these second year guys, to be
Speaker 18: able to take to the field and just be in
Speaker 18: the right spots and go grab these balls.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I give Al Harris a lot of credit here
Speaker 9: these guys. I mean, you Al Harris on the sidelines
Speaker 9: when something happens to his guys. He is a very
Speaker 9: emotional you know coach on that you know, But they
Speaker 9: they did a really nice job in this game.
Speaker 3: I thought, initially, first.
Speaker 9: The young guys, when you talked about Scott and then Carson,
Speaker 9: I thought they both played really timid the first first
Speaker 9: series or two of the game, and then all of
Speaker 9: a sudden, Carson, he drove on a ball.
Speaker 3: That went It was a receiver, quick passed out to
Speaker 3: the flat.
Speaker 9: He drives on the ball, makes it tackle looks like
Speaker 9: he made on the field one over here when they
Speaker 9: worked against the Rams last time. And from that point
Speaker 9: on he became more aggressive. He became he was driving
Speaker 9: on routes. Before the first couple of passes that he faced,
Speaker 9: it was kind of like he was hanging back, hanging
Speaker 9: back and then drive. But we've seen him play downhill
Speaker 9: quick and I felt like after he made that tackle,
Speaker 9: it kind of got him into that mode of Okay,
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna let these guys. He every other pass
Speaker 9: after that was contested for him. Yeah, they had some
Speaker 9: receptions on him, but.
Speaker 3: He went from being a guy that looked.
Speaker 9: Kind of scared. And I shouldn't used the words scared
Speaker 9: because he's not scared. He's a tough player.
Speaker 3: But he played with more purpose after that first After
Speaker 3: that he made that.
Speaker 9: Yeah it did, and I you know, I think the
Speaker 9: thing with a lot of these guys. The one thing
Speaker 9: we've talked about with Zimmer is he's going to put guys.
Speaker 9: Him and Alherris are going to put guys in positions
Speaker 9: to make plays for them to get four interceptions. I
Speaker 9: think that's a little bit on Stetson Bennett, but I
Speaker 9: think it's also on the Cowboys for being woods, those
Speaker 9: guys driving on balls and making sure that you know, hey,
Speaker 9: I'm supposed to play around the hash. All of a sudden,
Speaker 9: I hear cross cross, cross cross cross. When you hear cross,
Speaker 9: now your eyes go inside and here you are, Boem.
Speaker 9: You see the crosser, you see the ball, and now
Speaker 9: you drive and make the play. That's that is. That
Speaker 9: is practice, that is skill, that is scheme, and those
Speaker 9: are all things and that's why you get the stops
Speaker 9: that you do of those interceptions.
Speaker 5: I think he's teaching things with intent, and the players
Speaker 5: have really bought into what he's selling. And this is
Speaker 5: very differ from the time where mag Nolan was out
Speaker 5: here leading.
Speaker 7: And it was.
Speaker 5: But the point is is with that during that time,
Speaker 5: they were trying to do all these different things but
Speaker 5: it was just confusing, and you talk to the players
Speaker 5: and then they were saying it, so there was talks
Speaker 5: a lot about that that it was just very confusing,
Speaker 5: and no one knew what the heck was going on.
Speaker 5: No one was on the same page. But with Zimmer,
Speaker 5: you see the command that he's taking. You talk to
Speaker 5: the players and listen to what they're saying, and they
Speaker 5: they speak so highly of him. And when you have
Speaker 5: a crew of guys, a group of guys that are
Speaker 5: just completely sold on what he's doing and all into
Speaker 5: the new scheme and what they're doing and seeing that
Speaker 5: it is effective. Because this is not just all we
Speaker 5: saw it in the game against the Rams. We've been
Speaker 5: seeing here at practice. We've been seeing how these guys
Speaker 5: has created better opportunities for players to be positioned in
Speaker 5: a way that they can excel their position and what
Speaker 5: they're trying to do. So it's just it's all very
Speaker 5: very exciting. And Simmer, you talked about him not having
Speaker 5: the sheet, I mean, he's a.
Speaker 7: Baller like he's he's just out there calling place.
Speaker 5: It's just it's very fun and very exciting, and I
Speaker 5: think that the guys are just really shining in this
Speaker 5: scheme and Marquise Marquise Bell.
Speaker 7: God, that guy, that guy, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Uh. The fact that we saw him last year, you know,
Speaker 5: doing pretty well a linebacker helping there. Now he's transitioned
Speaker 5: back to safety and what he's I mean, he's back
Speaker 5: in his natural spot and he's really really shining and
Speaker 5: he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be very effective
Speaker 5: this season.
Speaker 9: While you're at it, through Rob Ryan in there for
Speaker 9: the confusion as sometimes you have twelve on the field,
Speaker 9: sometimes you have nine. Sometimes you're playing man, sometimes you're
Speaker 9: playing zone.
Speaker 10: We don't know if I could.
Speaker 9: Sound he is phenomenal this day, Maybe not so good
Speaker 9: on scheming him up.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 11: Can we take a look at the cornerback picture, just
Speaker 11: just for a moment, because you look at that trade
Speaker 11: last week right for Naseean Wright, uh to Minnesota.
Speaker 10: In exchange they get Andrew Booth and.
Speaker 11: You look at what how that helps Dallas From a
Speaker 11: personnel perspective. You look at Andrew Booth, I see him
Speaker 11: more as an inside guy. Do you feel the same way, Bro?
Speaker 3: I've seen him when we play outside, So you'll.
Speaker 11: Have more as an inside guy at least in this scheme,
Speaker 11: and if that's the case, then a guy like Eric
Speaker 11: Scott really needs.
Speaker 10: To have a good camp.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 11: That starts to worry me about his spot because I
Speaker 11: think from their perspective, they see Kaylen Carson as a
Speaker 11: guy that they can trust on the boundaries, Like, Okay,
Speaker 11: he's gonna be our first rotational guy. We have Naseean Wright,
Speaker 11: let's try to flip him for a guy that maybe
Speaker 11: fits a little bit better with what we're trying to
Speaker 11: work with.
Speaker 10: And then you look at Andrew Booth.
Speaker 11: I feel like he has that physicality, he has that
Speaker 11: quick twitch to be able to work inside. He did
Speaker 11: a little bit of it at Clemson, so I think
Speaker 11: he's he's a I think he's a guy that can
Speaker 11: factor in on the inside in case there was an
Speaker 11: injury to happen there. And if that's the case, like
Speaker 11: I said, I think Eric Scott's in trouble.
Speaker 9: I hope you're right because I haven't seen him. I
Speaker 9: mean I watched that Clemson tabe. He was a second
Speaker 9: round pick out of Clemson, so he's a high pick.
Speaker 9: But I always saw this. They played a ton of zone.
Speaker 9: You know, they really didn't challenge him all that much
Speaker 9: and Clemson, but that will.
Speaker 3: Be interesting to see how he how will he tackle us?
Speaker 11: Yeah, really good dude. By the way, met him in
Speaker 11: the locker room after the game, and he's excited to
Speaker 11: be here. So that's a that's a fun one.
Speaker 3: Good for him.
Speaker 8: You mentioned Eric Scott, So what was your evaluation of
Speaker 8: Eric Scott in this game, knowing that this is a
Speaker 8: pivotal time for him.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I didn't love his performance.
Speaker 11: You take away that interception and I think he probably
Speaker 11: wants that entire game back. He had a couple of
Speaker 11: routes where he just he bit on on early breaks.
Speaker 11: He had the bad fifteen yard penalty pushing a guy
Speaker 11: out of bounds. It was It was a rough day
Speaker 11: for Eric Scott, and I think the interception definitely made
Speaker 11: up for a couple of his mistakes because he was
Speaker 11: able to get him back in the red zone. But overall,
Speaker 11: he needs to have a really solid last two weeks
Speaker 11: here at camping in the preseason. I just don't see
Speaker 11: how he gets on the field right now. He doesn't
Speaker 11: have the speed to be able to keep up with guys.
Speaker 11: The coverage ability hasn't quite matched. And what I love
Speaker 11: from him from at Southern miss too was his run
Speaker 11: game instincts, and we haven't seen any.
Speaker 10: Of that either, So I think Eric Scott needs to
Speaker 10: uptake it a little bit for sure.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So the consistency part of it too, is that.
Speaker 3: Work again again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you see, you've seen.
Speaker 5: Plays that he's made, and but it's just not not enough.
Speaker 5: And like you said, it's gonna I mean, when you're
Speaker 5: surrounded by these other guys what they're doing, you're gonna
Speaker 5: slowly start to fall into the shadows where people are
Speaker 5: not gonna notice you that much. I remember you. So
Speaker 5: he needs to step it up, for sure. But he's
Speaker 5: had those little moments of shining.
Speaker 9: Don't be a flash player. Nobody likes a flash player.
Speaker 9: Hard to evaluate a flash player, especially at corner a
Speaker 9: flash and then you don't see it and you see
Speaker 9: something bad happen and maybe another flash. Flash players are
Speaker 9: really hard. Eric Scott tends to be a little bit
Speaker 9: of a flash player.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's I think it's even highlighted by the
Speaker 8: fact of what you've seen from Kaylen Carson that that
Speaker 8: one Eric Scott to come on, gotta get it going,
Speaker 8: because this young guy, he's coming in here as a
Speaker 8: rookie and he's making he's turned some heads, and he's
Speaker 8: doing it consistently. That goes back to that word we've
Speaker 8: been talking about all I appreciate you guys joing. So
Speaker 8: we're back on It was a Thursday of this week. Uh,
Speaker 8: to get you guys ready at there's there's so much
Speaker 8: going on. We got a joint practice now that's gonna
Speaker 8: happen tomorrow between the Cowboys and the Rams.
Speaker 6: Are coming back out for another day.
Speaker 3: More training camp life, Yes, more training camp Live.
Speaker 8: We'll have all that going tomorrow and then we'll head
Speaker 8: into a weekend of football. On Saturday, Cowboys will take
Speaker 8: on the Las Vegas Raiders heading out to Las Vegas
Speaker 8: on Friday, will be out there and then we'll.
Speaker 3: Get back to the sportsbook. Derek, you know about that?
Speaker 3: Do we standard at sports book? Hey, I don't do that,
Speaker 3: Rob Phillips.
Speaker 6: I've done all my training. I've done all my training.
Speaker 8: I know exactly where I should be it should not be,
Speaker 8: so you will not catch me in the sports.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Rob Phillips, Yeah, you going there. You're both fired. Okay,
Speaker 9: sports until.
Speaker 8: The next time Brian brought us and we're gonna see
Speaker 8: a Nick Harris. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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