1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: Cowboys, Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: Ready for a break? 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so much for that. 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: It's time for The Break. 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: On Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 7: We were on. 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Break with Ambar Garcia. 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 4: Brian brought us, Nick Harris and Derek Eagleton. 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 8: It is Tuesday, August thirteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 8: episode number sixteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 8: Live from Oxnard, California. We are entering the third week 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 8: of training camp out here in Oxnard. We will have 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 8: about a week and a half left. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 9: Man, I am sick of you counting these damn man, 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 9: they need more practice time out here. 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 6: No, good, we're good. We got plenty. 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: I think we can. I think we could do ten 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: more days. 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 9: I think we right Cleveland practice good, ready for Cleveland 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 9: week out here? 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 6: No, no, we're good, and we're good. Chris, Chris Beam, 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 6: our producer, just gave me the hands. 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 8: We got ten ten days left before we will be 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 8: back in Dallas. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 6: Some of us will be leaving a little earlier. 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 8: Than that, but we won't talk about that right now, 32 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 8: But let's talk about the somebody. Oh yeah, we are 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 8: presented by LGLG is the world's number one O led 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 8: TV brand for eleven years in counting. See why at 35 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 8: LG dot com, Ford slash o led Evo. All right, 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 8: let's talk about Cowboys game. They had their first preseason 37 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 8: game over the weekend. 38 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 6: We were there. 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 8: Uh, they played the Los Angeles Rams. They lose thirteen 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 8: twelve scores. Not really that important. You come out of 41 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 8: practice preseason games. You want to get some good work 42 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 8: for your young guys, and you want to keep everybody healthy. 43 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 8: Cowboys stayed pretty clean. One injury that did happen during 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 8: the game Toomey Dooga. 45 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 10: What do we know at this point, Yeah, Chumaydoga. 46 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 11: He left in the first quarter and he was seen 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 11: with a boot around his left foot going into the 48 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 11: rest of the game and then going into the locker room. 49 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 11: He was in street clothes and had that boot on 50 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 11: his left foot. And it's kind of interesting too, because 51 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 11: this time last year he was battling an ankle out 52 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 11: here at training camp. But it seems at this time 53 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 11: it's sounding to be a little bit more serious. We'll 54 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 11: find out more for Mike McCarthy today at his press 55 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 11: conference eleven thirty a in Pacific one thirty three folks 56 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 11: back out in Dallas. But that could be that could 57 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 11: be the catalyst towards Tyler Geiton getting some more first 58 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 11: team reps. I know a lot of people have been 59 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 11: asking for it, and I think the virus that he 60 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 11: had a couple of weeks ago maybe slowed the process 61 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 11: even from the coaching staff's perspective. But now it sounds 62 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 11: like there's gonna be a huge opportunity in front of 63 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 11: him this week, not only in the game on Saturday 64 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 11: against the Raiders, but another joint practice with the Rams 65 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 11: on Wednesday. 66 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 10: So expects sixty to get a lot of work. 67 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 6: It's one of the things. 68 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 8: It's one of the things actually that that coming out 69 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 8: of that game he got a lot more work than 70 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 8: maybe they were even expecting for him. 71 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 6: Would you guys see from him? 72 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. 73 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 9: The thing with the thing with Geyton, and it's so 74 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 9: evident and by the way, if he could go of 75 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 9: missing a week of practice basically and playing at the 76 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 9: level that he played at in that football game, it's 77 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 9: kind of a good sign for your Dallas Cowboys. 78 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: Right there with it. 79 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 9: It's fun to watch him play when you could see 80 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 9: the athletic ability, and especially the very first rep he 81 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 9: has and it's a pass set and you see him 82 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 9: duck his head, and usually when an offensive tackle or 83 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 9: blocker ducks his head, all that waits forward and you 84 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 9: see the. 85 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: Defender grab and work around him that way. 86 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 9: But his ability to duck his head but then recover 87 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 9: with the footwork and then get his hands in place 88 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 9: and then keep the rusher wide push the rusher by 89 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 9: that was a really good sign to me. 90 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: That just shows you his athletic ability. It shows you 91 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: the link that he has. 92 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 9: And from that point on, when you started to evaluate 93 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 9: him getting off the football in the running game, they 94 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 9: tried to run the crack toss. He's knocking guys down 95 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 9: on the crack toss, playing in space. There were a 96 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 9: lot of positives about a guy, again that didn't practice 97 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 9: all that much last week, if at all. Yeah, and 98 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 9: for him to work his way back in I think 99 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 9: it's a good scignce. It's unfortunate for a Doga. It 100 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 9: seems like this training camp he has had to deal 101 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 9: with a lot of things. He had a lower back problem, 102 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 9: he had backspasms. Now he's got the condition with his foot. 103 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 9: We'll see how that all plays out. But yeah, they 104 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 9: now have to kind of figure out how things are 105 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 9: going to work out at this tackle spot with Geydon, 106 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 9: Like we get in the line's share of the reps, 107 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 9: but then what's going to happen behind that, because they 108 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 9: that's something that you know, you don't want to go 109 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 9: into the season if a doogas say long term and 110 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 9: we don't know yet, but you don't want to go 111 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 9: in there shorthanded with that group. 112 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: Well, with Geyton, I've been extremely impressed knowing that he 113 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: was sick for multiple days and then for him to 114 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 5: perform the way that he did at the game, I 115 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 5: mean that is very very promising and I'm super happy 116 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: to see that the hard work that he's been putting 117 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 5: in all the hours is translating and it's being shown 118 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 5: on the field. I mean, the guy during the off 119 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 5: season and even heading here into training camp, you ask him, Hey, 120 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: what do you like doing? 121 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 7: What's your hobby? What do you do? Football? Football? Football? 122 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: Oh, my time off football, learn more football. So everything 123 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 5: that has come out of his mouth is all about football. 124 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 7: So the guy speaking of all in he is all in, 125 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 7: so he's. 126 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 5: Putting in the work and anyways, super super exciting to 127 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 5: see that such a young guy switching positions like that. 128 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 5: He's coming in and it doesn't look like he's gonna 129 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 5: miss a beat. 130 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so interesting. You look at this team and 131 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 8: what they've done. Really you could probably go back fifteen 132 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 8: years or so, and their ability to be able to 133 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 8: get good offensive linemen. It's like when they when they 134 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 8: go for those first round offensive linemen, it's very. 135 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 6: Rare they miss like they they have. 136 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 8: They have been able to find some really good success there, 137 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 8: and you look at other franchises less they like the Giants, 138 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 8: tant so. Yeah, they've spent these first round picks and 139 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 8: just haven't had the success. Like you, It's not an 140 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 8: easy thing necessarily to draft, but the Cowboys have been 141 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 8: really really good at it, at least from what we're 142 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 8: seeing so far. 143 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 6: From Guyton. 144 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that you go back to even you 145 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 9: mentioned go back all the way to Tyron Smith. 146 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 147 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 9: I think it starts there and then it's the Tyron Smith. 148 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 9: It's the Zach Martins, it's the Travis Fredericks, It's. 149 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 6: And Travis Frederick. A lot of people didn't think that 150 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 6: was no bit. 151 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 9: That was There was a lot of people that you know, 152 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 9: when they when they when they dumped out of their 153 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 9: spot to go all the way to the bottom of 154 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 9: the board in the draft Travis Frederick and pick up 155 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 9: an extra third round pick. That was a brilliant move. 156 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 9: And you're absolutely right. There's a lot of us in 157 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 9: me included that we're like, whoa, you know, did you 158 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 9: get the value for the pick, because there there have 159 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 9: been another player you were taken. 160 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: Why did you trade back? A lot of questions there. 161 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 9: But to your point, they've done a great job of 162 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 9: evaluating offensive linemen and especially those first offensive lineman. 163 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 11: Yeah, going back to Guiden, I think for me, I 164 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 11: expected him to look pretty good in pass protection against 165 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 11: the Rams, and he did. 166 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 10: He looked great. He didn't allow any pressures. 167 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 11: For me, I've been expecting the inexperience to show up 168 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 11: in the run game, and for what he did in 169 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 11: the run game on Sunday, I felt great about it. 170 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 11: You know, he was able to get get after guys 171 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 11: at the point of attack he had to push, He 172 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 11: was able to create running lanes off the left side. Now, granted, 173 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 11: the running game itself was not great. I'm sure that's 174 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 11: something we'll dive into. That's becoming a more glaring problem. 175 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 11: I think his training powers on. But looking from Tyler 176 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 11: Guiden's perspective specifically, I think he did. 177 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 10: Just fine in the run game. 178 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 11: Now, granted it's a very small sample size, but a 179 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 11: really good start for him on the field. 180 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 8: All right, let's flip and let's talk about it. I'm 181 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 8: gonna do some player evaluations as we go throughout the show. 182 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 8: Really in the second segment, we're going to dedicate it 183 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 8: to throwing out some names and getting you guys opinions. 184 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 8: But I think we got to start first with the 185 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 8: name that I think everybody wants to hear about, which 186 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 8: is Trey Lance. He gets his debut for the Cowboys, 187 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 8: plays a ton in this game. What were your what 188 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 8: is your evaluation of him after watching that game? 189 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 6: What do you think? I think he is reletive? What 190 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 6: you thought going into the game versus how he played? 191 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 11: Yeah, my evaluation is he didn't make many mistakes, but 192 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 11: he didn't he didn't do much to impress either. I mean, 193 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 11: when you throw the ball forty one times and you 194 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 11: only end up with one hundred and eighty eight yards. 195 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 11: I believe that's about four point seven yards per attempt. 196 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 11: It kind of shows you what he's doing. And even 197 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 11: when he escaped the pocket, he relied on his throwing side. 198 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 11: He relied on that right side. And so whenever you 199 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 11: kind of factor in the fact that he's not pushing 200 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 11: the ball more than fifteen yards downfield, and when he is, 201 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 11: he had I think he was about one for five 202 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 11: he had that completion two or excuse me, that was 203 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 11: Cooper Rush that had the completion of Jalen Brooks. So 204 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 11: when you take out fifteen plus yards down the field, 205 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 11: and then you also factor in that he's been rolling 206 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 11: to the right and very when he's one read, he's sticking. 207 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 10: To the right side of the field. 208 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 11: He's taken away seventy percent of the field and so 209 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 11: he's not seeing everything completely. He missed a couple of 210 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 11: guys that were wide open down the field. There was 211 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 11: one in the fourth quarter to Princeton Fan. I mean 212 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 11: Fan could have walked in, he could have crawled into 213 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 11: the end zone and Lance just didn't see him. Obviously, 214 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 11: the fourth down throw to Jalen Cropper, you know, play call. 215 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 11: How much is that factor in? But nevertheless, he's got 216 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 11: to make that throw. He's got to give Cropper a 217 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 11: chance at least. I think, all in all, I would 218 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 11: give his performance somewhere in a seed to C minus 219 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 11: range as far as the grade goes. But he didn't 220 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 11: make any mistakes. And I think if you're Trey Lance, 221 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 11: you can look at it from two different perspectives. One, Okay, 222 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 11: maybe are you a little gun shy to maybe make 223 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 11: any big chances because you don't want to mess up 224 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 11: in this big opportunity that you have. But also, on 225 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 11: the same token, let's say you go and throw an 226 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 11: interception on the first drive against the Raiders. Maybe it 227 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 11: kind of calms your nerves and say, okay, I got 228 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 11: that mistake out the way, let's unleash it a little bit. 229 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 11: I really do believe the best thing that can happen 230 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 11: for Trey Lance in the first half next week is 231 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 11: to throw a bad interception just so he could start 232 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 11: forcing some things a little bit more and trusting his 233 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 11: arm a little bit better. I truly do think that's 234 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 11: when he'll start to grow comfortable in the system and 235 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 11: in this offense. 236 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 7: Well, the thing for me and I had a lot 237 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 7: of hopes in him. 238 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: I remember when we first started doing the show that 239 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 5: we first got out here at training camp, I mentioned 240 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 5: him as one of the guys that stood out to 241 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: me based on the way he carried himself the field. 242 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 7: And you just have that leader vibe and command. 243 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 5: But then it wasn't and it hasn't been translating onto 244 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: play the playing and nothing at practice, because I would 245 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 5: say I would give him the benefit of the dow 246 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 5: after this game. Had I seen anything that would make 247 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 5: me hold on to the hope that he can be 248 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 5: more and right now, so far he hasn't. And the fans, 249 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 5: I know, I see a lot of questions like, hey, 250 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 5: can he replace Trey Lance? Can he replace Dak? I mean, 251 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 5: can Trey replace Dak? I think that answer that answer 252 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 5: your question. We only have two more preseason games. I 253 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: would assume he takes on most of the playing time there. 254 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 5: Cooper Rush, what he showed in a little bit and 255 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 5: what he's shown at training camp is that he's still 256 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: Cooper Rush. He's the Cooper Rush that we've seen and 257 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: he's a very reliable backup quarterback. So right now, Trey 258 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 5: he's in a spot last year of his contract here 259 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, and he's going to have to really 260 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 5: really step it up, because even though you say, Nick, 261 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 5: that he didn't make a lot of mistakes, and I agree, 262 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 5: to me, what he didn't do equals us mistakes. 263 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 7: A little bit. 264 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: Is it's almost equivalent to me what he didn't what 265 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 5: he wasn't able to do. And a lot of the 266 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 5: times I like that he shows that he's a mobile 267 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 5: quarterback and he's not afraid to run. But at the 268 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: same time, I want to see you throwing the ball. 269 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 5: I don't want to see you running. I need to 270 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: see my running backs running, not you At the moment, 271 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 5: I want to see what you can do as a quarterback. 272 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we and Nick gave you a really 273 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 9: good idea of the things I think that he missed, 274 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 9: and I think that we would have a different view 275 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 9: of Trey Lance if he completed three passes that we 276 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 9: were talking about. 277 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: It was so clear. 278 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 9: And I don't know if Mike McCarthy did this on purpose, 279 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 9: but the past that they set it up, the one 280 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 9: de fant to me seem like, Okay, I'm gonna take 281 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 9: a shot here, we're close. 282 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: To the red zone. I'm gonna run this wheel. 283 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 9: I'm gonna take the back and put him in the 284 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 9: flat and I'm gonna run the route inside and see 285 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 9: if I could draw this safety. They got everything they 286 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 9: wanted out of the play, so it was almost like 287 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 9: McCarthy said okay, and McCarthy had here's Zimmer not using 288 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 9: any call sheet and Mike looking like he had a 289 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 9: menu at a Denny's. 290 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 6: You know. 291 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 9: I mean, it was like every play call you can 292 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 9: imagine on that sheet. And I think Mike might have 293 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 9: set that up and maybe Trey Lance didn't help him. 294 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 9: My biggest issue with Trey Lance is I don't think 295 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 9: he sees the field particularly well. And I say that 296 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 9: and I don't know if that's something that you can correct. 297 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 9: You know, when you see him out here practice, there 298 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 9: are throws. 299 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: That he makes. It's like he didn't see that guy. 300 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: He didn't see that defender. 301 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 9: He didn't see there were, like I say, there were 302 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 9: three plays in that game that he might if he 303 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 9: makes three to three throws seem er out the cropper 304 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 9: swing pass to fan you know he makes it, or 305 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 9: the touchdown on fourth down, we might be talking about 306 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 9: Trey Lance in a different light today. 307 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: And I think that's the thing. 308 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 9: I'm going to see this thing through because I do 309 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 9: see the athletic ability. He'll make this receivers work a 310 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 9: little bit for this football. He's not the most accurate 311 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 9: guy right now throwing the ball. But what I need 312 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 9: for him to get better at, and hopefully he can. 313 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: Is seeing the field. Because they did give up some 314 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: opportunities in that game. 315 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 9: We could be thinking a lot different in talking about him, 316 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 9: a lot differently. If this all of a sudden is 317 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 9: a cowboy victory, if it's you know, twenty twenty, you know, 318 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 9: eight to whatever, you know, whenever the ram you know, 319 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 9: I think there were some plays that were left on 320 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 9: this field, and if he continues to lead those plays 321 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 9: on the field, then he can't be your guy. But 322 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 9: you know, but there's some there's some promise there. But 323 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 9: it's just like you say, it's the word consistency, and 324 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 9: we talk about training camp. It's you can say the 325 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 9: word consistency for a lot of different players on this 326 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 9: practice field. 327 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 5: But the thing with him is like what he has 328 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 5: issues with which you're talking about seeing the field, that 329 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 5: takes time, Like I don't see it's changing in two 330 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 5: weeks less of what's left of the preseason. So that's 331 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: the issue for me, it's like what he needs to 332 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: learn it comes with experience and time. 333 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: So oh no, you don't time, bro, though you're you're. 334 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 9: You're really you're running out of time. You're running out 335 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 9: of time. If you want to make the evaluation, can 336 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 9: he be your guy? And you might even make the 337 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 9: evaluation without the time. You might Now depending on what 338 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 9: happens with Dak, that's a whole nother story. You know, 339 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 9: there's people out there to say that maybe, hey, no, 340 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 9: they don't have a quarterback here. They're going to have 341 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 9: to address that. So to me, I can understand they 342 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 9: worked a year with him, but even though it was 343 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 9: just you know, we never saw it. Right now we're 344 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 9: seeing it. We're seeing a but there's some things that 345 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 9: he clearly has got to get better at. And it's 346 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 9: a lot with these young quarterbacks. If they don't see 347 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 9: the field particularly well, it's hard to play at a 348 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 9: high level because you're constantly fighting Okay, why did you 349 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 9: do that? 350 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 11: Well? 351 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 9: Why oh, you didn't see that defender. You know that 352 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 9: the Rams are probably looking they won that game the 353 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 9: other day, but they're looking at Stets and Bennet like, 354 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 9: what the hell were you looking at? 355 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: Man? 356 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 10: Wins though, he finds a way to win. 357 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: What No, No, you know it's a little bit different. 358 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 9: You won the game, he had a nice drive, he 359 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 9: made a nice throw and four down to win that game. 360 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 9: But up until that point, you're going, what the hell 361 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 9: this guy was a National championship quarterback. 362 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, there's an SEC fan out there going like, yeah, 363 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 11: we've seen that a few times, at least five or 364 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 11: six times actly, So really quick with Trey Lance, I 365 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 11: think from a fan perspective, I think fans are like 366 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 11: seeing him in the preseason and saying, can he be 367 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 11: QB one? Can he be this top option if if 368 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 11: they don't resign Deck. I don't think that should be 369 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 11: the mentality should be can he be QB two? Yeah, 370 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 11: because I believe that they re signed Dak. I still 371 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 11: feel that that's about an eighty percent chance of happening 372 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 11: at some point, whether that be before the season or 373 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 11: in free agency next year. You match Trey Lance's deal 374 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 11: to DAX deal from a time perspective, and you let 375 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 11: Trey be that QB two to DAK. Because Cooper Rush 376 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 11: is also going into the final year of his deal. 377 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 11: He's a thirty year old backup quarterback. A, he probably 378 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 11: wants a bigger opportunity for himself, and then B, you 379 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 11: probably want a younger guy to back up Dak Prescott 380 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 11: because if you don't want injuries to start mounting. And 381 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 11: so I think that the mentality should be, if everything 382 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 11: goes right with Trey Lance and he can prove that 383 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 11: he can be a QB two, then let him be 384 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 11: that QB two and twenty twenty five and beyond, and 385 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 11: go draft a guy in the later rounds next year 386 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 11: and work that young guy in the development program. 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Slash O 456 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 7: led Evil Welcome back. 457 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 8: It is the second segment of The Break with lifem Oxnark, California. 458 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 8: This segment brought to you by Blockchain dot Com ing. 459 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 6: All right, here we go. 460 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 8: Let's do some player evaluations. I want to start first 461 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 8: with the defensive front. Talk about the defensive tackle position. 462 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 8: Mazzi Smith, Justin Rogers, Carl Davis, Albert Huggins. What do 463 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 8: you guys see from these players? And I guess let's 464 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 8: start first with Mazzi. Obviously he's the one everybody wants 465 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 8: to know, but probably played the least of these guys. 466 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 8: What did you see from the defensive tackle position, particularly Mazzi. 467 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 6: Let's start with Mazzi. 468 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 10: I ran point on Tree. You can run point on 469 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 10: Mazzi if you want. 470 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 9: I think the thing with Mazzi is when you watch 471 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 9: Mozzie Smith play and you don't see his numbers from 472 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 9: the sideline copy, you don't see a five and an 473 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 9: eight means he's playing square. And I think there were 474 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 9: several snaps where you watch Mozzie play square, they get 475 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 9: on him about his hands. Coach Sagina does, It's always 476 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 9: about inside Mazzie. We talk about that quite a bit. 477 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 9: It's about extension, it's about balance with his feet, it's 478 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 9: about dis gaging with the blocks Mazzi. Smith did all 479 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 9: the things they're asking him to do. Technique wise. He 480 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 9: didn't get washed out of plays, he didn't get turned, 481 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 9: he didn't get just bullied in this game. He did 482 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 9: a really good job of dealing with that. The extension 483 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 9: I thought was really good. The screenplay we all saw 484 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 9: where he was able to you know, with Bolander the center, 485 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 9: he able to extend, He finds the ball, he gets rid, 486 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 9: and now he moves into space and then he makes 487 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 9: the tackle. Those are the kinds of things you expect 488 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 9: to see from Mazzie Smith. That's the kind of player 489 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 9: that we use the word capable. That is a capable 490 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 9: football player. That is a player you can win with 491 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 9: playing at that level. Next play, Mazzie Smith decides he 492 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 9: wants to take a playoff and doesn't want to rush 493 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 9: and doesn't want to try and play technique consistency. 494 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: With Mazzie Smith. 495 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 9: You can't keep doing one or two good things and 496 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 9: then decide to take plays off. If you have to 497 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 9: play six plays in a series, I need you to 498 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 9: play hard all six plays. You know, they'll find ways 499 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 9: to get you out of the game. But as far 500 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 9: as overall what you're seeing from him, that was a 501 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 9: step in the right direction that game for him. 502 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: They could coach off that they can see. 503 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 9: See, Mazzie, see what happens when you do what we 504 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 9: ask you to do when you're not a one legged 505 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 9: football player. You get your hands inside, when you find 506 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 9: the football, when you show effort, when you go and 507 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 9: make plays. We can win with that kind of player 508 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 9: right there. But then the very next play he goes 509 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 9: back into just okay, made a play. No, we're trying 510 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 9: to get off the field, trying to get off the 511 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 9: field here, You've got it one more time. You got 512 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 9: to find a way to take that center or that 513 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 9: guard and drive him back in the in the pocket 514 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 9: and affect the play. And so I'm gonna say it 515 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 9: was positive from the aspect of what we've we've seen 516 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 9: because it's been really up and down. I thought there 517 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 9: were more good plays than bad plays with Manzi Smith 518 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 9: the other day. 519 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree, And when Brian says getting square, I 520 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 11: refer to it as getting wide and just getting getting 521 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 11: in the way of running lanes. And I thought he 522 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 11: did a good job of it, and in the playing 523 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 11: time that he did get on Sunday, you mentioned that 524 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 11: screenplay and that was that was the one that really 525 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 11: stood out to me too, because that's instincts. And yes, 526 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 11: he was going against Boatlimmer. He should be having the 527 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 11: upper hand against a guy like Botlimmer who was just 528 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 11: drafted a rookie. Still, it was his first taste of 529 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 11: NFL action. You know, you want to see Mozzie Smith 530 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 11: doing that against ones out here, maybe in the joint 531 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 11: practice again on Wednesday. But it's a good confidence stacker 532 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 11: for him, and I think if this team does not 533 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 11: want to address putting another one tech on the field 534 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 11: after after training camp, then you know, Mazzie Smith really 535 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 11: needs to be stacking confidence out here in these preseason games. 536 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 10: For sure, I. 537 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 5: Agree on the lack of consistency, but one of the 538 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 5: things that I was paying attention to and wanted to 539 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 5: see is, Okay, how is he going to perform overall 540 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 5: after going through a couple of weeks of mental in 541 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 5: a way I cannot pronounce this coach's name, help me 542 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 5: cannot but again, and Briant has talked about it on 543 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 5: the show. I mean, you you stand by where they are, 544 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 5: you just hear the language and all that, and you're like, 545 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 5: oh my, okay. If that was me, I'm like, all right, guys, 546 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 5: I'm out piece deuce. But no, it was the mental 547 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: aspect for me, and I thought he handled it pretty well. 548 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: Where you're me, I'm looking, is he gonna tear him down? 549 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 5: Or is he gonna step up and rise through it? 550 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 5: And I think it's headed towards the right direction in 551 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 5: that way. 552 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 8: When you look at those other defensive tackles, it seemed 553 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 8: like and this might have just been like you know, 554 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 8: sometimes you're in a game, you're watching a game and 555 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 8: it kind of just feels you feel certain things. Yeah, 556 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 8: in the second part of the first quarter and into 557 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 8: the second quarter, it seemed like they were getting run 558 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 8: on like it consistently. It seemed like they were just 559 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 8: getting kind of run straight up the white bottoms. Wasn't 560 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 8: more of the linebackers. 561 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 9: What happens is they Leafel needs to play more snaps 562 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 9: and he needs just for his own sake. But you 563 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 9: had when you look at at the Cowboys and really 564 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 9: what and how things were. I there were times where, 565 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 9: like I say, where Davis was really really square and 566 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 9: you see the back have to make a decision on 567 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 9: which way to go. 568 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: And then and all of a sudden, then you're in it. 569 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 9: You're in that mode where you're looking at it and 570 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 9: you're going, wait a minute, where are the linebackers here? 571 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 9: You know where where's uh, you know, where's Willie Harvey? 572 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 9: You know, all of a sudden, it's leaf Al and 573 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 9: Harvey are like, what are you looking at? 574 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's it's it's like they were. 575 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 9: And I'm not gonna say the word guessing, but I'm 576 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 9: gonna say the word guessing because we've seen these guys 577 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 9: fit finish, fit, finish, and it was like, okay, ball 578 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 9: coming and now all of a sudden, you're reading scheme, 579 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 9: you're seeing a poller, you're seeing a down block, and 580 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 9: now you're flying this way and it just creates a 581 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 9: natural gap. 582 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 3: So linebackers missed some fits, and I. 583 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 9: Felt like the defensive tackles for the most part, did 584 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 9: their jobs when the squareness. Davis Rogers, I thought, played 585 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 9: really well in this game where you know when you 586 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 9: go back and watch him play, but these linebackers they 587 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 9: needed it, not so much like the first guy you 588 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 9: saw with overshown and Clark overshowns a little bit of 589 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 9: a slippery guy in between. You know, he beats the 590 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 9: block inside down run defense, then you see all of 591 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 9: a sudden balls the outside. He's there again. Clark's taken 592 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 9: on blocks. He saw it better up front. When you 593 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 9: see square linemen and linebackers filling, you see better run there. 594 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 9: There was a time where Carl Davis, they played great 595 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 9: on the run defense. Davis takes the guard back in 596 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 9: the backfield. You stop the tape there, and now the 597 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 9: back is having to decide where do I go. He 598 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 9: goes to his right. Now you got downhill linebacker safety. 599 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 9: Now coming in the hole, everybody's there, everybody's playing it 600 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 9: the right way. That's run defense. But sometimes with run defense, 601 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 9: it's not all about the defensive linemen. Those linebackers can't guess. 602 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 9: And I do say this about lea foul and I'm 603 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 9: not this is not a criticism. 604 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: He needs to play more. But they they were really him. 605 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 9: They were really really anxious with him and Harvey were 606 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 9: really super anxious the way they were playing in that 607 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 9: game the other day. 608 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a couple of clips of Harvey that have 609 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 11: kind of made their way on Twitter of him just 610 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 11: guessing the wrong running lanes. And it was tough because 611 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 11: I felt like he was having a strong camp. But 612 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 11: as far as a defensive perspective, he didn't look great 613 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 11: in that game. But the linebacker position doesn't necessarily concern me. 614 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 11: But there were some running lane discipline things that I 615 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 11: think you can look at and you could point to 616 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 11: as possible film corrections going into week two. But you 617 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 11: mentioned the defensive tackles. The one name he didn't mention 618 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 11: is Albert Huggins, one of the newest atliss Yeah. I 619 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 11: think he got caught on his back a couple of times. 620 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 11: You talk about the sidelines tape. You saw his number 621 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 11: a couple of times too. I think he could have 622 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 11: had a better preseason debut. But as far as the 623 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 11: other guy's talking about Rogers, talking about Mazi Carl Davis, 624 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 11: I liked what I saw from those guys, and I 625 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 11: think more so whenever you look at the problems that 626 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 11: stemmed up front in that game, was lack of pressure 627 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 11: generated from the ends. I mean they were not getting 628 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 11: home at all, and while Stetson Bennett didn't make a 629 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 11: lot of mistakes, I don't think they were necessarily caused 630 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 11: by the pressure. I think it was more so caused 631 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 11: by the disguise coverage. 632 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: Can I say this so real quick? 633 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 9: When you start talking about defensive tackles and Nick, I 634 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 9: don't know if you thought or you guys maybe saw yourselves. 635 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 9: I kind of felt like the Hoko and Golston looked. 636 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 3: Better playing his edges. 637 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 9: Then they did his defensive tackles, and we've seen him 638 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 9: out here a bunch and it's been like someone's like, 639 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 9: what's what's the Hoko doing. I'm like, kind of a struggle, 640 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 9: kind of struggled today kind of, but he looked like 641 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 9: a different player playing in space with wide the ability 642 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 9: to play the wide rush. And yeah, they didn't get 643 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 9: home and they don't They really didn't have anybody doing that. 644 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 9: But it looked like the Golston and him both were 645 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 9: were more comfortable playing on the edge. And that's maybe 646 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 9: why you go and get Huggins that maybe he could 647 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 9: come in and be a backup three. 648 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: Or they take you know, they take Kneelin. 649 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 9: And when they go to Nickel, they move him inside 650 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 9: and that way you have Parsons, kneelan Osa and then 651 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 9: Tank and that's gonna be your pass rush and hopefully 652 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 9: that's gonna bode better for you getting getting pressures. 653 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 11: Yeah, to clarify, I don't have any concerns about the 654 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 11: pass rush unit from this team because again we didn't 655 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 11: see the one. We didn't get it done yesterday the 656 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 11: other day though, Yeah, but they did not get it 657 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 11: done when it comes to rotational bodies, and that's obviously 658 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 11: a highlight. With Sam Williams going down with his ACL injury, 659 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 11: who's gonna be those first guys to rotate in and 660 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 11: right now, I don't think Darrell Johnson showed anything. 661 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 10: I don't think. 662 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 11: Al Kanad Muhammad showed anything. Shaka TONI. I didn't see 663 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 11: a lot from those guys, but you see Golston getting 664 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 11: off the edge and you see that power and you're like, Okay, 665 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 11: that looks a lot more natural than coming in at 666 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 11: three tex So. I think there may be needs to 667 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 11: be some readjusting a philosophy with a couple of guys, 668 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 11: I think on the defensive line, because I think you're 669 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 11: you're not maximizing guys like Golstener. Forojoko, you look at 670 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 11: Fojoco and what he did well at San Jose State. 671 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 11: Why he was able to get to the quarterback double 672 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 11: digit times is his senior season is because he was 673 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 11: put in space, whether that was inside or out, he 674 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 11: had more space to operate. And I think if you 675 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 11: marry that background with a little bit more size, a 676 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 11: little bit more experience that he has, I think you 677 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 11: can maximize what he brings to the pass rush. 678 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 9: Yeah. I think to me, if they're looking at positions, 679 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 9: if you're just if you're pro scouts and you're kind 680 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 9: of thinking about things, I know everybody's looking at running back. 681 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 9: I think everybody's looking at defensive tackle, and I think 682 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 9: their need to kind of think about looking at edge too. 683 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 9: I know they brought in Mohammad and Tony and guys 684 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 9: like that that might you might have to you might 685 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 9: have to go with an upgrade there to make up 686 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 9: for the Fouler and the Armstrong and those. 687 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: Types of guys. 688 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 8: I think that's the biggest key is without Foulo, without Armstrong, 689 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 8: without Williams, those are three guys that you can say 690 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 8: what you want about what they were kind of you 691 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 8: could you could question how much they brought you in 692 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 8: the run defense, the pass defense. There was no question 693 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 8: you're bringing those guys in as rotational guys. They were 694 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 8: getting after the quarterback. And that's the piece where I 695 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 8: think the Cowboys may miss a little bit this odd 696 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 8: I mean this season if they don't figure out some 697 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 8: kind of way to manufacture that a little better. And 698 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 8: maybe that's with blitzing linebackers those kind of things. I 699 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 8: think there's some other things they can do, but that's 700 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 8: gonna be a bit of a challenge for them at 701 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 8: the edge without those top two guys, or with those 702 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 8: top two guys having to rotate in and out right. 703 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 5: Well, I trust in Mike Zimmer. In Mike Zimmer, I 704 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 5: trust and I trust that after watching film. He's gonna 705 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 5: get with the defensive line coach and they're gonna change 706 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 5: things up or improve by this weekend against the Raiders. 707 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 6: We'll take a final break when we come back. 708 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 8: I actually want to talk about Mike zimmer and in 709 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 8: his first outing with the Cowboys as a defensive coordinator, 710 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 8: they get four interceptions, which you can put that on 711 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 8: steats in it, or you can say that this defense 712 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 8: was just doing some great things. We'll talk about that 713 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 8: when we come back. 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They they kind of show you lots of 774 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 8: different things. They got four interceptions in this game, you 775 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 8: could probably say five. The holding call took back one 776 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 8: of them. Brian, you mentioned maybe a little bit of 777 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 8: a Do you think that that was a lot because 778 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 8: of or do you put that more on Mike Zimmer's 779 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 8: defense and the disguise and obviously a young quarterback having 780 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 8: to deal with that, or do you think these defensive 781 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 8: backs really were just playing an outstanding game to be 782 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 8: able to because we talked about the pass rush wasn't necessarily. 783 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 6: Like a killer pass rush. 784 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 8: Do you think it was just the secondary guys really 785 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 8: playing outstanding football. 786 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 10: Yeah. 787 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 11: I think it's a combination of a few things. I 788 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 11: think when you look at the four interceptions and you 789 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 11: look at Okay, let's look at each one in a vacuum. 790 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 11: How much was a product of the scheme, how much 791 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 11: was a product of a guy just being in the 792 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 11: right place. How much of it was a product of 793 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 11: sets and Bennett just not seeing somebody and making a 794 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 11: poor decision. 795 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 10: So I'll go one by one here. Marquise Bell. 796 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 11: The first interception, he was in the right place, but 797 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 11: he also had to make a really good play, and 798 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 11: I think that was a hell of a play by 799 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 11: Bell to be able to get up there and get that. 800 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 11: The second interception was to Eric Scott, I believe, and 801 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 11: that was a product of him just being in the 802 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 11: right place again, And it was kind of funny because 803 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 11: he was getting cooked on that drive feed probably had 804 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 11: two or three plays that he probably would have won 805 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 11: it back. Then he got it back with the interception 806 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 11: there in the red zone, and I think that was 807 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 11: a scheme thing. I think that was Scott just being 808 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 11: in the right spot. Then you look at interception number 809 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 11: three Julius Wood, and I have to give all credit 810 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 11: to Wood there. 811 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 10: I mean, he was playing in his zone. He was 812 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 10: doing what he was supposed to do. 813 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 11: Is that single high safety which by the way, we 814 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 11: saw a lot of single high safety looks, which I. 815 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 18: Was at that one was at too deep. That wasn't 816 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 18: too deep because they caught the crosser. That's right, that's right, 817 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 18: and he stepped right in front of the crosser. He 818 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 18: made a hell of a play. He was able to 819 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 18: just get to the ball before the receiver did. Stetson 820 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 18: put it a little bit out in front. But I 821 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 18: think overall, I think it was a really good play 822 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 18: from Wood. And then the fourth interception, Brock Mogens and 823 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 18: stets and Benches didn't see him. He threw it right 824 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 18: to Brock's hands, So I think I think all in all, 825 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 18: the defensive system is definitely confusing quarterbacks off of the 826 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 18: one game that we have against a third string quarterback. 827 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 18: But I also think there's some there's some application, especially 828 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 18: by these rookies in these second year guys, to be 829 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 18: able to take to the field and just be in 830 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 18: the right spots and go grab these balls. 831 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, I give Al Harris a lot of credit here 832 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 9: these guys. I mean, you Al Harris on the sidelines 833 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 9: when something happens to his guys. He is a very 834 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 9: emotional you know coach on that you know, But they 835 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 9: they did a really nice job in this game. 836 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 3: I thought, initially, first. 837 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 9: The young guys, when you talked about Scott and then Carson, 838 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 9: I thought they both played really timid the first first 839 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 9: series or two of the game, and then all of 840 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 9: a sudden, Carson, he drove on a ball. 841 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 3: That went It was a receiver, quick passed out to 842 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 3: the flat. 843 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 9: He drives on the ball, makes it tackle looks like 844 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 9: he made on the field one over here when they 845 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 9: worked against the Rams last time. And from that point 846 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 9: on he became more aggressive. He became he was driving 847 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 9: on routes. Before the first couple of passes that he faced, 848 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 9: it was kind of like he was hanging back, hanging 849 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 9: back and then drive. But we've seen him play downhill 850 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 9: quick and I felt like after he made that tackle, 851 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 9: it kind of got him into that mode of Okay, 852 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 9: I'm not gonna let these guys. He every other pass 853 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 9: after that was contested for him. Yeah, they had some 854 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 9: receptions on him, but. 855 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 3: He went from being a guy that looked. 856 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 9: Kind of scared. And I shouldn't used the words scared 857 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 9: because he's not scared. He's a tough player. 858 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 3: But he played with more purpose after that first After 859 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: that he made that. 860 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 9: Yeah it did, and I you know, I think the 861 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 9: thing with a lot of these guys. The one thing 862 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 9: we've talked about with Zimmer is he's going to put guys. 863 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 9: Him and Alherris are going to put guys in positions 864 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 9: to make plays for them to get four interceptions. I 865 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 9: think that's a little bit on Stetson Bennett, but I 866 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 9: think it's also on the Cowboys for being woods, those 867 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 9: guys driving on balls and making sure that you know, hey, 868 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 9: I'm supposed to play around the hash. All of a sudden, 869 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 9: I hear cross cross, cross cross cross. When you hear cross, 870 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 9: now your eyes go inside and here you are, Boem. 871 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 9: You see the crosser, you see the ball, and now 872 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 9: you drive and make the play. That's that is. That 873 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 9: is practice, that is skill, that is scheme, and those 874 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 9: are all things and that's why you get the stops 875 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 9: that you do of those interceptions. 876 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 5: I think he's teaching things with intent, and the players 877 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 5: have really bought into what he's selling. And this is 878 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 5: very differ from the time where mag Nolan was out 879 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 5: here leading. 880 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 7: And it was. 881 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 5: But the point is is with that during that time, 882 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 5: they were trying to do all these different things but 883 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 5: it was just confusing, and you talk to the players 884 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 5: and then they were saying it, so there was talks 885 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 5: a lot about that that it was just very confusing, 886 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 5: and no one knew what the heck was going on. 887 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 5: No one was on the same page. But with Zimmer, 888 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 5: you see the command that he's taking. You talk to 889 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 5: the players and listen to what they're saying, and they 890 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 5: they speak so highly of him. And when you have 891 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 5: a crew of guys, a group of guys that are 892 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 5: just completely sold on what he's doing and all into 893 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 5: the new scheme and what they're doing and seeing that 894 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 5: it is effective. Because this is not just all we 895 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 5: saw it in the game against the Rams. We've been 896 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 5: seeing here at practice. We've been seeing how these guys 897 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 5: has created better opportunities for players to be positioned in 898 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 5: a way that they can excel their position and what 899 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 5: they're trying to do. So it's just it's all very 900 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 5: very exciting. And Simmer, you talked about him not having 901 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 5: the sheet, I mean, he's a. 902 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 7: Baller like he's he's just out there calling place. 903 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 5: It's just it's very fun and very exciting, and I 904 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 5: think that the guys are just really shining in this 905 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 5: scheme and Marquise Marquise Bell. 906 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 7: God, that guy, that guy, it's amazing. 907 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 5: Uh. The fact that we saw him last year, you know, 908 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 5: doing pretty well a linebacker helping there. Now he's transitioned 909 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 5: back to safety and what he's I mean, he's back 910 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 5: in his natural spot and he's really really shining and 911 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 5: he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be very effective 912 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 5: this season. 913 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 9: While you're at it, through Rob Ryan in there for 914 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 9: the confusion as sometimes you have twelve on the field, 915 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 9: sometimes you have nine. Sometimes you're playing man, sometimes you're 916 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 9: playing zone. 917 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 10: We don't know if I could. 918 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 9: Sound he is phenomenal this day, Maybe not so good 919 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 9: on scheming him up. 920 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 3: How about that? 921 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 11: Can we take a look at the cornerback picture, just 922 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 11: just for a moment, because you look at that trade 923 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 11: last week right for Naseean Wright, uh to Minnesota. 924 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 10: In exchange they get Andrew Booth and. 925 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 11: You look at what how that helps Dallas From a 926 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 11: personnel perspective. You look at Andrew Booth, I see him 927 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 11: more as an inside guy. Do you feel the same way, Bro? 928 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 3: I've seen him when we play outside, So you'll. 929 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 11: Have more as an inside guy at least in this scheme, 930 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 11: and if that's the case, then a guy like Eric 931 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 11: Scott really needs. 932 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 10: To have a good camp. 933 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 17: Yeah. 934 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 11: That starts to worry me about his spot because I 935 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 11: think from their perspective, they see Kaylen Carson as a 936 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 11: guy that they can trust on the boundaries, Like, Okay, 937 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 11: he's gonna be our first rotational guy. We have Naseean Wright, 938 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 11: let's try to flip him for a guy that maybe 939 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 11: fits a little bit better with what we're trying to 940 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 11: work with. 941 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 10: And then you look at Andrew Booth. 942 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 11: I feel like he has that physicality, he has that 943 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 11: quick twitch to be able to work inside. He did 944 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 11: a little bit of it at Clemson, so I think 945 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 11: he's he's a I think he's a guy that can 946 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 11: factor in on the inside in case there was an 947 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 11: injury to happen there. And if that's the case, like 948 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 11: I said, I think Eric Scott's in trouble. 949 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 9: I hope you're right because I haven't seen him. I 950 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 9: mean I watched that Clemson tabe. He was a second 951 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 9: round pick out of Clemson, so he's a high pick. 952 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 9: But I always saw this. They played a ton of zone. 953 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 9: You know, they really didn't challenge him all that much 954 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 9: and Clemson, but that will. 955 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 3: Be interesting to see how he how will he tackle us? 956 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 11: Yeah, really good dude. By the way, met him in 957 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 11: the locker room after the game, and he's excited to 958 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 11: be here. So that's a that's a fun one. 959 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 3: Good for him. 960 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 8: You mentioned Eric Scott, So what was your evaluation of 961 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 8: Eric Scott in this game, knowing that this is a 962 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 8: pivotal time for him. 963 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, I didn't love his performance. 964 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 11: You take away that interception and I think he probably 965 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 11: wants that entire game back. He had a couple of 966 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 11: routes where he just he bit on on early breaks. 967 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 11: He had the bad fifteen yard penalty pushing a guy 968 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 11: out of bounds. It was It was a rough day 969 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 11: for Eric Scott, and I think the interception definitely made 970 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 11: up for a couple of his mistakes because he was 971 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 11: able to get him back in the red zone. But overall, 972 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 11: he needs to have a really solid last two weeks 973 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 11: here at camping in the preseason. I just don't see 974 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 11: how he gets on the field right now. He doesn't 975 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 11: have the speed to be able to keep up with guys. 976 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 11: The coverage ability hasn't quite matched. And what I love 977 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 11: from him from at Southern miss too was his run 978 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 11: game instincts, and we haven't seen any. 979 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 10: Of that either, So I think Eric Scott needs to 980 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 10: uptake it a little bit for sure. 981 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 9: Yeah. 982 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 7: So the consistency part of it too, is that. 983 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 3: Work again again. 984 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 7: Yeah, you see, you've seen. 985 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 5: Plays that he's made, and but it's just not not enough. 986 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 5: And like you said, it's gonna I mean, when you're 987 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 5: surrounded by these other guys what they're doing, you're gonna 988 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 5: slowly start to fall into the shadows where people are 989 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 5: not gonna notice you that much. I remember you. So 990 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 5: he needs to step it up, for sure. But he's 991 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 5: had those little moments of shining. 992 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 9: Don't be a flash player. Nobody likes a flash player. 993 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 9: Hard to evaluate a flash player, especially at corner a 994 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 9: flash and then you don't see it and you see 995 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 9: something bad happen and maybe another flash. Flash players are 996 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 9: really hard. Eric Scott tends to be a little bit 997 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 9: of a flash player. 998 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's I think it's even highlighted by the 999 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 8: fact of what you've seen from Kaylen Carson that that 1000 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 8: one Eric Scott to come on, gotta get it going, 1001 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 8: because this young guy, he's coming in here as a 1002 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 8: rookie and he's making he's turned some heads, and he's 1003 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 8: doing it consistently. That goes back to that word we've 1004 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 8: been talking about all I appreciate you guys joing. So 1005 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 8: we're back on It was a Thursday of this week. Uh, 1006 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 8: to get you guys ready at there's there's so much 1007 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 8: going on. We got a joint practice now that's gonna 1008 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 8: happen tomorrow between the Cowboys and the Rams. 1009 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 6: Are coming back out for another day. 1010 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 3: More training camp life, Yes, more training camp Live. 1011 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,479 Speaker 8: We'll have all that going tomorrow and then we'll head 1012 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 8: into a weekend of football. On Saturday, Cowboys will take 1013 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 8: on the Las Vegas Raiders heading out to Las Vegas 1014 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 8: on Friday, will be out there and then we'll. 1015 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 3: Get back to the sportsbook. Derek, you know about that? 1016 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 3: Do we standard at sports book? Hey, I don't do that, 1017 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 3: Rob Phillips. 1018 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 6: I've done all my training. I've done all my training. 1019 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 8: I know exactly where I should be it should not be, 1020 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 8: so you will not catch me in the sports. 1021 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, Rob Phillips, Yeah, you going there. You're both fired. Okay, 1022 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 9: sports until. 1023 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 8: The next time Brian brought us and we're gonna see 1024 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 8: a Nick Harris. I'm Derek Eagleton. 1025 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 6: This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 1026 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 6: Com Radio. 1027 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1028 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.