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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stepan Never Told You production by Heart Radio,

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Speaker 2: and today we are so excited to be joined by

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Speaker 2: friend of the show, Joey. Welcome, Joey.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: We always love having you here. We almost got to

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Speaker 2: meet you.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I will I'll give you all the

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Speaker 4: rundown of that off b clare Okay, to do with

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Speaker 4: some of the chaos of earlier this month. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: happy to be honest always.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And this is a fun one because this is a

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Speaker 2: very special feminist movie.

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Speaker 3: Friday.

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Speaker 2: And this was a movie that you suggested a while

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Speaker 2: back and I was like, yeah, I think we should

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Speaker 2: talk about that. I'm very excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Samantha and I had never seen it. It is very recent.

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Speaker 2: So yes, if you haven't seen it, spoilers going to

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Speaker 2: be spoiled throughout. Yes, Joey, can you tell us what

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Speaker 2: are what film are we talking about today?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So today we're gonna be talking about the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three movie Bottoms, directed by M. S. Eldman and

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Speaker 4: starring Rachel Senate and Iowa Debris. No, you know from

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Speaker 4: the Bear and all that this is one of my

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Speaker 4: favorite movies, if not my favorite movie. And I'm so

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Speaker 4: excited to be talking to you guys about this. Before

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Speaker 4: we started recording, I know, Samantha, you said this was

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Speaker 4: not what you expected.

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Speaker 3: It was gonna be. I definitely.

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Speaker 4: When I pitched it too, I was sort of like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not gonna say anything about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna let them watch it and see what the

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Speaker 4: reactions are.

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Speaker 1: Like I've seen previews.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was prepared for some of it, and then

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Speaker 6: I was like, uh not, no, okay, that that turned

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Speaker 6: very quickly, like got a level of like, well that

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Speaker 6: was something different, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think that the only thing I knew about it

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Speaker 2: was Joey. You phrased it. You've explained it in a

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Speaker 2: way that was like I liked that gay people were

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Speaker 4: This is my main thing with the movie is I'm like,

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Speaker 4: it is a it's a and we're going to get

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Speaker 4: more into this, but it is a It is a

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Speaker 4: high school movie about where all the characters are queer.

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Speaker 4: It's not necessarily about coming out or about like how

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Speaker 3: It's just a movie where the characters are queer.

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Speaker 4: And like a lot of my high school movies, like

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Speaker 4: a lot of rom coms, they let the characters be

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Speaker 4: very messy and very awful at points, and that was

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Speaker 4: very refreshing, which I'm going to get into I think this. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I I personally found it very refreshing to have a

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Speaker 4: also like you know, younger queer characters, especially quick content warning.

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Speaker 4: So this just all kind of talking within the context

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Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about.

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Speaker 4: School shootings and school violence and also sexual assault and

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Speaker 4: those conversations. So yeah, make sure you're taking care while listening.

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Speaker 3: So to introduce this.

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Speaker 4: Movie a little bit, I want to talk a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to backtrack to a completely different movie that

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Speaker 4: came out six years ago, and because again, like I

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Speaker 4: talked about, I think it's important to when we're talking

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Speaker 4: idea of like quote unquote queer high school movies, which

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Speaker 4: has happened with those kind of stories. So yeah, backtracking

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Speaker 4: to Spring twenty eighteen, I.

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Speaker 3: Was at the end of my first year of college.

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Speaker 4: I was sat in a movie theater in the East

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Speaker 4: just come out called Love Simon, which was a film

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Speaker 4: I turned to that friend. She was in tears. A

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Speaker 4: Literally it was what I said, Yeah, I'm sick, and

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Speaker 4: I do think like art is very subjective and movies

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Speaker 4: Everybody has their own emotional reactions to things. But I

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Speaker 4: remember leaving that movie in twenty eighteen, like I had

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Speaker 4: kind of just experienced being I feel weird saying like

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Speaker 4: I do understand. I think there is a place for

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Speaker 4: those kind of stories. That being side the movie loves

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Speaker 4: Simon very much was sort of a like the point

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Speaker 4: of the movie was really much like, hey, look, straight people,

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Speaker 4: we're just like you.

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Speaker 3: We're normal and pop and.

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Speaker 4: You know, gender conforming and live in our upper middle class,

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Speaker 3: It's very much like respectability politics.

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Speaker 7: kind of movie you watched and you felt seen by that,

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Speaker 7: that's great and I love that, and I think that's important,

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Speaker 7: and I also think there is a place for like

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Speaker 4: But again, that was a movie that I left. I

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Speaker 4: just remember being like, is this what we're getting now? Like,

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Speaker 3: Flash forward now to last August.

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Speaker 6: And uh, the.

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Speaker 4: Night before my best friend Handa and I had gone

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Speaker 4: The next day was sat in a Sunday matinee to

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Speaker 3: There was a setup in the lobby.

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Speaker 4: We got a lot of fun pictures. The movie started

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Speaker 6: To have.

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Speaker 4: Because to me, Bottoms is the loud, irreverent, annoying gay

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Speaker 4: response to the trend of movies like Love Simon that

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Speaker 4: which that like it really speaks to much like breaking

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Speaker 4: Monica Castillo that writes bottoms dropkicks, John Hughes movies on

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Speaker 3: They're weirdos. They are the words.

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Speaker 4: They have every right to fail, be crass, make crewe jokes,

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Speaker 4: and shed blood. Selgman and Senate are all in on

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Speaker 4: my god, this is a drama about coming out or

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Speaker 4: It's just about being a high schooler and navigating like

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Speaker 3: All of these things as a high schooler.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, the thing that I like is that the

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Speaker 4: more interesting than like again, like I'm god love Simon

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Speaker 4: movie is so boring, Like I just heat there was

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Speaker 4: but like I don't know, and like I don't know

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Speaker 3: A complete idiot.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm like, this is probably again that is why

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Speaker 4: I say, I'm like, this is probably more reflective of

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Speaker 4: And I I think one of the things that I

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Speaker 4: see the duo kind of rising in their like social

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00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: rank of this high school. We see mister g starting

441
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 4: to talk about feminism in his history class, still sort

442
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: of in the satirical tone of the movie. There's a

443
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 4: shot of him writing on the whiteboard feminism.

444
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: Who started it?

445
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: Question mark, Hey, Gloria steinem be a man see another woman, which.

446
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: I gotta say is somebody who went to like an

447
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: American public high school.

448
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: I that is not far off from like how they

449
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: taught us about like the women liberation movement.

450
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: Like I was like wait that, like literally it's like

451
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: who is glorious? Sign him? Okay, that's enough feminism for today.

452
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: So this also is where we start to get some

453
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 4: conflict as the club is gaining its prominence, and we

454
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: see Tim, who again is Jeff's right hand man, noticing

455
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: the club kind of gaining more attention. He corners PJ

456
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: and Josie and kind of plately threatens them to not

457
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: take attention away from the big game. Josie points out,

458
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 4: this is kind of impossible. There's like pictures of Jeff everywhere.

459
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: And then also we learn through Hazel's point of view

460
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: as she goes home from school one day that her mom,

461
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 4: who she earlier in mention is going through this whole

462
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: like post divorce midlife crisis, has been hooking up with Jeff.

463
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 4: Quick note, Jeff is wearing his football uniform. This is

464
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: the whole like gender aesthetic. He's wearing his football uniform

465
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: for the entire movie. And like when we see him

466
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 4: in the scene, he like runs out and he still

467
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: out his shoulder pads on which I again, the costuming

468
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: is so good The next day, Hazel tells Josie and

469
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: PJ what she saw. Josie proceeds to tell Isabelle, and then,

470
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 4: in another really beautiful sequence, we get to see Isabelle

471
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: on a war path as she.

472
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 3: Confronts Jeff in their high school cafeteria.

473
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: Jeff and the football team are seated in front of

474
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 4: a rendition of the creation of Adam, but with Jeff's

475
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: face on it.

476
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Speaker 2: We had a football in hand, I must say, and a.

477
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: Football in ten.

478
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: Yes, it's I just the set design, the costumes is

479
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 4: everything on this movie so good. The rest of the

480
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: fight Club rallies behind her. They're really like a unit.

481
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: Now they're going to plan their revenge. Hazel once again

482
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: doesn't have the best concept of like scale and tone

483
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 4: it all that suggests they should build a bomb, which

484
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 4: b Ja says, no, we're not going to do that.

485
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: But the next day, at night, they're at Jeff's house,

486
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 4: all donning masks and they're egging his house. Isabelle and

487
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 4: Josie are kind of having an intimate moment in the

488
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: car alone. It's clear that Isabelle maybe has some feelings

489
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: for as well. The pair about to kiss and interrupted

490
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 4: by Hazel blowing up Death's car. I'm gonna get a

491
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: little bit more into this later when we discussed kind

492
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: of the whole movie, But something that I really like

493
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: about the movie is.

494
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: Sort of the whole way that it which we'll talk

495
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: about more at the end too.

496
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: The whole theme of like violence and how violence is

497
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 4: discussed in the movie was something that relea stood out

498
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: to me, I think, especially somebody who like.

499
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: Grew up and was in school during.

500
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 4: Like the peak of like school violence and gun violence

501
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: and all of this like being in the news.

502
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: And again, I'm.

503
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: Gonna talk a little bit more about this later, Like

504
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: I went to a high school where there was a.

505
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: Couple of school shooting scares.

506
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: And threats and stuff like that, and I think, just

507
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 4: later on kind of dealing with the sort of processing

508
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: some of what I had experienced in high school as

509
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 4: an adult, I think there was sort of a thread

510
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: of that in this movie that I think I really appreciated.

511
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: So anyways, Hazel blows up the car, they all drive

512
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: away in the panic.

513
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 4: The next day the club's meeting again, they're all kind

514
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 4: of like, oh, well, you know, it was nice, wh

515
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: we all lasted.

516
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: But the club's over.

517
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: Now you know, the real fight club was the friends

518
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: we made along the way. At this point, we see

519
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: Josie now fully committed to the whole grift. She stands

520
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: up and tells this really dramatic story about being in Juvie.

521
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: And which again they never want to Juvie.

522
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: That's the whole lie here, their romantic tension between her

523
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: and Isabel Rose. Everybody really seems ready to just kind

524
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: of move on. PJ, on the other hand, is not.

525
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: She really is arguing for them to keep the club going.

526
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: Hazel kind of responds something to the extent of like, hey, sorry, PJ,

527
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: you didn't get what you wanted from this club, but

528
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: the rest of us are. We We got that and

529
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 4: we're ready to move on. They get into an argument.

530
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 4: Hazel points out the fact that she basically ran this

531
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: club for them. PJ calls Hazel loser with no friends

532
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: and escape for a mom. Hazel runs off crying. We

533
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 4: see a conniving Tim watching this whole interaction go off

534
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: and follow Hazel. Then we cut to a scene between

535
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: Josie Isabel, who is come over to Josie's house to

536
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: work on a homework assignment. There's some awkward flirting between

537
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: the two. We get a little bit more of a

538
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: backstory into Josie and pj's friendship, their childhood best friends

539
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 4: who grew up with the same babysitter, an older lesbian

540
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: name Rhodes, who PJ calls their gay Yoda. The pair

541
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 4: finally kiss, and then we cut to Britney's bedroom where

542
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: a PJ and sort of a parallel scene, Pj's over

543
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: to help with a homework assignment. There's some awkward flirting,

544
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: except when PJ leans into kiss Brittany, she informs her

545
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: that she's straight. So the next day there's a big

546
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: PEP rally and we see Josie's liding to the bleachers

547
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: next to PJ, excited to tell her about the night

548
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: with Isabelle. Before they can really talk, the PEP rally starts.

549
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: There's a brief performance by the True Leading Squad, which

550
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: just entails them dumping a bottle of water on Cella Rebecca,

551
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: who's that like hot girl cheer leer character who's part of.

552
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: The fight club.

553
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: Tim runs out announces that you know, before the festivities start,

554
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: they're going to have the demonstration from this fight club

555
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: that they've been hearing about that's been the big thing

556
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 4: that everybody's been talking about. So they break out Hazel,

557
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: who they announced is one of the founders of the club,

558
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: who's going to fight the school's top boxer, Tucker, who

559
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 4: is this massive dude they bring out in a cage. Also,

560
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: I didn't realize this till like the second time I

561
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: watched the movie, but he's in the background of a

562
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: bunch of shots in a cage, Like there's just a

563
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: a dude in a cage and a bunch of the

564
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: background shots in the movies, and then you realize, Oh,

565
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: it's the boxer guy that they're going to bring out.

566
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: Hazel's sort of like, way, way wait, I thought I

567
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: was gonna fight PJ.

568
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: What's going on? He look at her handed to her.

569
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: Tim gets his big villain speech moment where he's like,

570
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: I know what you're wondering. How could a girl under

571
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: the tutelage of two Juvi trained killers can't even stand.

572
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: Up for herself against the regular old dude.

573
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: The regular old dude of course being this like giant guy,

574
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: but again like perfect satirical, like laying out a very

575
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: misogynistic like gotcha point of like, oh.

576
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: It's like shouldn't you be able to fight? Like, come on,

577
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: are you kidding me?

578
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: She held her own for a minute, I will shed

579
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: maybe she will win this. Sometimes she didn't.

580
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: She did, and of course, so then he reveals they

581
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: did not go to Juvie and they did not start

582
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: this club to empower women, but to cheerleaders, and then

583
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: he gets the line, what is wrong with you? It

584
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: is such a shame. We were really rooting for you girls.

585
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: She can't I think, just going back to the whole

586
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: satirical tone of this movie, Like I think, like watching

587
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 5: this as a queer person, where it's like the minute

588
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 5: you as particularly as like a woman or an a

589
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 5: fab queer person, I think expressed the fact that you

590
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 5: have sexual desire or that you whatever, like that is

591
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 5: stigmatized so much, And I think when.

592
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: We talk about like there is a level of like

593
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: I think my criticism of a lot of these other

594
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: kind of queer movies that have been very sanitized and

595
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: very much for a straight audience, like there's a reason

596
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: they're very bland and like sexless and whatever, and again

597
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: like not every movie has to have like this level

598
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: of you know whatever, But like I think there is

599
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: a level to which like straight a straight audience is

600
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: wanting to accept, like queer characters that do not express

601
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: sexual desire, that do not express you know, the fact

602
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: that they too are feeling these same feelings that straight

603
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: people have.

604
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, PJ and Josie are ostracized by the group.

605
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: Isabelle confronts Josie and breaks it off with her for

606
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: lying to her.

607
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: There's a great line from one of.

608
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: The club members who's the like really christian one who says,

609
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: I thought this club was about sisterhood, but it's all

610
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: about your own self interest. This is a second wave

611
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: all over again.

612
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that line line.

613
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: So the rest of your rallier on Hazel Bay leave

614
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: PJ and jose alone. Be confronted by a betrayed mister

615
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 4: G says I trusted you too, y'all exploit in my solidarity.

616
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: I played the role of an amazing ally, which I get.

617
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: Okay, I have.

618
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm pretty I've had that conversation with like male feminists

619
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: before so many times, Like I was like, oh my god,

620
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: i feel like I'm having deja voo to like the

621
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: minute I do so, I like slightly criticize something that

622
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: you did or said or whatever, Like, what do you mean,

623
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: I'm an amazing ally Like, I don't know that was.

624
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: I love that line so like.

625
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 6: That's a white feminist characteristic exactly often.

626
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: I love when he crosses through feminism. Char That's such

627
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: a good scene.

628
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: It's such a sad.

629
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this PJ and Josie get in a fight

630
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: over who's fault it was. There's this traumatic montage to

631
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Afrilppian's complicated music choice is perfect hysterical, yeahbously mister g

632
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: crossing out feminism. The graffiti on their lockers has been

633
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: replaced by Horny Freak number one and Horny Freak number two,

634
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: and this montage ends with Josie going to see Rhodes

635
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: their gaey Yoda to ask her advice about how to

636
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: fix the duo's friendship.

637
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: Rhodes doesn't really give her.

638
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: Okay, so Roads by the Way is played by Punky

639
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: Johnson ASNL Fantastic. She doesn't really really give her much advice.

640
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: It's very much kind of like the just whimsical whatever.

641
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: But then she does tell her about this big football

642
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: game with hunting them that's coming up. Rhodes reveals that

643
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: every year that this happened, so like every twenty years,

644
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: there's this big game. The Huntington football team kills a

645
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: member of the Rockbridge Falls High School football team, so

646
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: Josie realizes that they're gonna kill Jeff and runs to

647
00:32:51,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: find kJ so that they can save the day. We're

648
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: now on the last scene of the film, which is

649
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: the part that I this is the last twenty minutes

650
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: are like an insane fever dream. I'm gonna do the

651
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: best I can to run through everything that happens.

652
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: This is where I said, wait, what just happened?

653
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

654
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: I have made so many people sit down and watch

655
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: this movie, and every time it's like, oh, this is great,

656
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: Oh wait what? Like? So PJ and Josie race to

657
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: the football game, where they find the rest of the

658
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: club and plea for their help to stop the game,

659
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: pointing out that there's nobody from Huntington on the other side,

660
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: which feels like a red flag that something is about

661
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: to go wrong. PJ offers a half hearted apology to Hazel,

662
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: who accepts. PJ tells her they need a distraction, and

663
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: this time Hazel gets to build her bomb, but it

664
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: does not go off, so the girls proceed to distraction

665
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: Plan two, which is of course yelling at the cheerleaders

666
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: to make out.

667
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: Understandable. Next step.

668
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 4: They don't Isabelle and Brittany are so mad at them,

669
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: So Hazel and PJ start to make out, which again

670
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 4: another great scene because it leads to a couple of notable.

671
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: Reactions sell her.

672
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 4: Rebecca sees them and goes, wait, I'm gay.

673
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: Brittany says, I'm not. I just like gay porn, and

674
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: Jeff says this is nothing like porn. Wait is porn

675
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: even real?

676
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: Well?

677
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: This is going on. Josie is off trying to figure

678
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 3: out what's.

679
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: Going on, realizes that Huntington has brought a bunch of

680
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: pineapple juice, which earlier in the film, and it has

681
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: established that Jeff is deathly allergic to By the way,

682
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: as a fellow deathly I have a severe allergy to nuts,

683
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 4: And I was like, love the representation.

684
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Good to note I didn't know those about you.

685
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 4: The scene where Tim like knocks the pineapple out of

686
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 4: the way. I was watching this with like my roommates,

687
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: so they were all like, literally like the day before

688
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: there was something where like we were getting some food

689
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: and there was something with.

690
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: That, so and they were like, no, Joey, and I

691
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: was like, that's you guys. I didn't even see it.

692
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: You were like, no, Like I can look at it.

693
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: It's fine, I just can't eat it.

694
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 6: No.

695
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 4: But anyways, Yeah, so they realized there must be pineapple

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: juice somewhere in the field that they're gonna use to

697
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: kill Jeff. This accumulates in a big fight scene between

698
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: the fight club, Isabelle and Brittany, now having joined into help,

699
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 4: They basically killed the whole Huntington football team. At first

700
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: kind of by accident, and then just you know, they

701
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: end with all the players.

702
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: Dead on the field.

703
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: Through this whole thing, Josie heroically saves Jeff by like

704
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: carrying him across the field just in time before the

705
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: sprinklers go off. Once the rest of the crowd realizes

706
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 4: that the girls saved Jeff's lives, they all cheer. Everybody clapped.

707
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: Isabelle and Josie are reunited. Josie apologizes, Isabelle tells her,

708
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: you know, you didn't have to start a whole fight

709
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: club just to date. You could have just like talked

710
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: to me. They kiss. The music swells We've reached the

711
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: end of the film. The camera pans out and then

712
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: the bomb goes off behind the tree and if we've

713
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: reached the end.

714
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 6: I do like that at one point in which Josie

715
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 6: was like when she says, you don't have to do this,

716
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: you know, fight, She's like, well, we'll talk about how

717
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 6: real that really? She's actually trying to be like, no,

718
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: I did try to talk to you.

719
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: That didn't work.

720
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: Remember they did terribly beginning to their crushes. Respective it

721
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: was real bad.

722
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: It was funny.

723
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this movie took a hard left for

724
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 6: me and I was like, what's happened?

725
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: What's happening? Did they are they all dead? No one cares? Okay.

726
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 6: I also love that she was too small to hold

727
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 6: it just fell, My god, was classic. I was like,

728
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 6: that's correct, that is the correct way this would have gone.

729
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 6: So some realistic thing.

730
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Isabelle and Brittany and like their cheerleader uniforms, like

731
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: beating up like it was. It was very like Buffy

732
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: the Vampire Slayer type like it really was. And again

733
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: this is what I say where I think like this

734
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: film so brilliantly like satirizes a lot of tropes from

735
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: high school movies. I think just taking the that whole

736
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: like the seriousness of the like this is the rival

737
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: football team, we have the big game that's coming up,

738
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: plotline that is in so many movies, and.

739
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: Being like, well, what if it literally was life or death.

740
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: And what if it literally ended with like a action.

741
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: Movie type battle. I love it. I thought that was great.

742
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, the end, and then of course really quick

743
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: because then they show the.

744
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 4: Title and then there's a quick like short slean Earlier

745
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: on the film, there's a quick like cut way where

746
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: I think it's like Jeff like throws something and it

747
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: hits this like really goth like emo kid in the

748
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 4: back of the head. He goes, that's it, and then

749
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: he writes, I'm bombing the school.

750
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: Cut away, They don't go back to it.

751
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the movie, after the

752
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 4: bomb goes off, they cut to him and he goes, damn,

753
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 4: that was supposed.

754
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: To be my thing. And again I think, like this

755
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: is one of those things.

756
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: Where I'm like, there's so many different reactions to like, look, okay,

757
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: So I was in like eighth grade when the like

758
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 4: Newtown shooting happened. I had just graduated in high school

759
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: when Parkland happened. I was in high school, like during

760
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: the where this was like the kind of I do

761
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 4: not think there was a day I went to school

762
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 4: and I was not thinking about, like how would I

763
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: get out of here if I needed to, And that

764
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: was just something that was so normalized, and I like

765
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: I just kind of had to accept that that was

766
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: part of my life. And like I have told this

767
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: to people in my life that are like a generation

768
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: or a couple generations older that are all like, oh

769
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: my god, that's horrifying. I'm kind of like, I don't know,

770
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: that was just sort of like part of life. And

771
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: like when I was a senior, we had a and

772
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: we add an attempted school shooting.

773
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: In my high school.

774
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 4: There was a year after I left there was another

775
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: attempt and like luckily nobody died, nobody was hurt, but

776
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: it was just something that was so prevalent in my

777
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: mind when I was in high school, and I think

778
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: like there was something very refreshing about like being able

779
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: to have a.

780
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: Joke about it in this movie and being able.

781
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: To like almost sort of talk about the fact that

782
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: it is such a like insane thing to just have

783
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 4: in the background this whole time.

784
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, that's that's my thoughts on it.

785
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: I guess that there's other people that maybe you could

786
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: have seen that and I'm like, oh, that was like

787
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: a poorly carried out joke or whatever, but those that

788
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: was my thought, right, Yeah.

789
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 6: I think that's definitely a take that at this point,

790
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: what else can you do when no one else takes

791
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 6: it seriously? And literally the government doesn't take it seriously,

792
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 6: the politicians, right, these issues have occurred like ever since Columbine,

793
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 6: which was my age, like it just has increased tenfold

794
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 6: if not more, and the fact that nothing's being done,

795
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 6: what else can you do? Like, it's just like at

796
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 6: the exactly point, y'all have made it. Y'all, being the

797
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 6: authority and protectors of what should be of the you know,

798
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 6: the future, have done So we'll just, I guess joke

799
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 6: about it, because there's nothing much the other than crying

800
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 6: for real.

801
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: And I mean, like I've I've seen TV shows take

802
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: a route of trying to do a serious plot line

803
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: about school violence, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,

804
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: and I think, you know, I don't know, like I

805
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: like literally like last year, I remember, like my roommate

806
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: was watching some like old CW shows that had been

807
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: on when we were in high school, and like they

808
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: had a plot line about school shootings, and I just

809
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: remember being like like I don't I don't want to

810
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: watch this, Like I don't like it a It's like

811
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: I was like I was like literally going through and

812
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: pointing out the things that they I was like, actually,

813
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: they would do this this way or like this.

814
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: Is what they do, like there wouldn't. They would be

815
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: on the announcements.

816
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: Already like yelling at people like I don't know. And

817
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: I was like, that's so like weird and surreal and

818
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 4: dystopian that I'm watching this and being like they're dealing

819
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: with the school shooting wrong, Like.

820
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: Was it Seventh Heaven?

821
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was were you watching Heaven? I know?

822
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: But I remember I remember they had a they had

823
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: a plot and it made a lot of news.

824
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: Oh it was the Fosters. Yeah, I that was before

825
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 4: my time, but Seventh happened. But I don't like Lee

826
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: also did a plot line or.

827
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: They did a school shooting for some reason, like I don't.

828
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 6: Know, geez, but something they had there was a gun,

829
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 6: like they did like modify but there was nothing.

830
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

831
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also so on the kind of route of

832
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: the violence of this film. So there was in an

833
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: interview and and that whole ending scene and how like

834
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: the ridiculousness of the whole fight scene. For an interview

835
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 4: in La Times, Segulman said about this movie and about

836
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: some of the movies that like she had wanted to

837
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: see as a teenager. Looking back, I would have love

838
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: to have seen more queer female characters. But I also

839
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: would have loved to have seen girls beating each other

840
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: up and fighting to save the day. And I love

841
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: movies like Scott Pilgrim and Kicks and Attack the Block

842
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: movies where a bunch of boys are getting together to

843
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: be rambunctious and fight and do stuff. And so this

844
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: is accumulation of a lot of different movies with young

845
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: teen female characters I wish I could have seen. And

846
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: I think, like, like, yeah, that last scene really reminded

847
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: me a lot of like Scott Pilgrim and like a

848
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: lot of these other sort of like comedy movies where

849
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: there can be that level of violence, and it's sort

850
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: of like Sad Rise in a way where it's like

851
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 4: we're not really gonna like the violence isn't the issue.

852
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: The violence is more a way to like talt this

853
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: plot line, and yeah, that was fun. Again, Like it

854
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: was cool seeing like the cheerleaders like beating people up

855
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 4: and they're in the in thest like really dramatic, like

856
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 4: almost like superhero movie like kind of poses and stuff.

857
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 6: Again, I told you at the beginning, I told Annie,

858
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 6: I was like, this is the more satirical, funny sketch

859
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 6: version of heathers oh, which was a dark comedy of

860
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 6: what it was, and it was essentially similar conversations without

861
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 6: the actual queer characters, although it was queer coded definitely, definitely,

862
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 6: which I made any watch when I first met.

863
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: Her body Yes, oh my god, wait, okay, that's so.

864
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: I remember showing this from a movie to her friend

865
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: and their response was, okay, So this reminds me a

866
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: lot of like how like Heather's was in a conversation

867
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: with like pretty.

868
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, any know the Brett Peck six think Candle's pretty.

869
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: In pain right, which which I will say, like I

870
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: the high school movies that I grew up watching was

871
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: a lot of the like John Hughes movies, and those

872
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 4: never spoke to me. I never really liked those movies,

873
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 4: and that was like a lot of the same reasons why,

874
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: Like I think I have I have my own criticism

875
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: of like Love Simon and Art Stopper and a lot

876
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 4: of these movies that provide a very like idealized version

877
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: of high school and so the way that Heather's is

878
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 4: kind of in conversation with those movies is very similar

879
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: to like I think what Bottoms is doing to the

880
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 4: sort of contemporary trend of high school movies.

881
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: I also do, Yeah, I Love Heather is good. So

882
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: it's just a b where it's like it's a it's

883
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: a fun movie, and yeah.

884
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, but yeah, this is definitely like the more.

885
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: Funny, lighthearted version of that.

886
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: And then so the other part I think, which I

887
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 4: brought up earlier, marrying this to other kind of queer

888
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: movies about queer people in high school that have come

889
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: out around the same time. Something that I really liked

890
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: about this movie was it didn't revolve around the characters

891
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: coming out or coming to terms with their identity. They

892
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: were already like when they're introducing the movie, they're established

893
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: to be queer. You could have made this movie about

894
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: straight people and it would have been essentially the same plot, you.

895
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: Know, like it definitely, like the queerness is integral to it.

896
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: It is important, it is a part of the story,

897
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: but it's like, it's not a movie about them being gay.

898
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: It's a movie about being a high schooler and it

899
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: and they also just happened to be gay, which I

900
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 4: felt that was very refreshing because there's so many movies

901
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 4: where like, the queerness is the big issue that we

902
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: have to deal with. The queerness wasn't the issue. The

903
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: issue was again like the ups and downs of dealing

904
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: with coming to terms with your sexuality and none other way.

905
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: In high school.

906
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: There's a line at the beginning of the movie where

907
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: Josie says, the school is such a gay and Pja responds,

908
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: people don't hate us because we're gay. People hate us

909
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: because we're gay, ugly and untalented.

910
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: WHI.

911
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's part of the like they're not Nobody doesn't

912
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: like them because they're gay. They hate them because they're losers,

913
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: which yeah.

914
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: And then the other pics that I.

915
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: Want to talk about is when this movie was marketed

916
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: and when it was first like kind of when it

917
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: first came out, it was really funny because there was

918
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: a brief moment where there was some Twitter controversy over

919
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: the tagline, which is a movie about empowering women, especially

920
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 4: the hot ones. And again to that point, some people,

921
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: I think, without really looking into what the movie was

922
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: about or what it was, like, what the Again, it's

923
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: a satire.

924
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be making fun of these things.

925
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: Like we're very upset about it, and we're sort of like,

926
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: oh my god, why that's not feminist if it's that,

927
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: and it's like, that's that's the point, that's the point.

928
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: The point is it's making fun of all these things.

929
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: Like there's a million movies out there that are about

930
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: guys trying to woo girls that they think are hot,

931
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: and like it's supposed to making fun of that and

932
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: making fun of a like and kind of make yeah,

933
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: like having.

934
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: A messy, horny, like over the top version of that was.

935
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: For the gays too, and like talking about the fact that, like,

936
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: sexual desire is not something that straight people only experience,

937
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: and it's not something that men only experience. Like I

938
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 4: found having female queer female characters just be so explicit

939
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 4: about what they wanted that was very refreshing and something

940
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: that I did think was interesting, Like looking into this

941
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: movie a bit more was.

942
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: The director.

943
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: Emma Seldman talked about how it was hard to get

944
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: this movie made because of that and because of sort

945
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: of the niche or perceived like niche audience is gonna have.

946
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: This ended up kind of being like an like a hit,

947
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: because I do think, yeah, like there's elements about it

948
00:46:53,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: that are universal. But according to Deadline, the film was

949
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: taken up by producer Alison Small and landed at Ryan

950
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: after numerous productions. Seligman talked about how like, it was

951
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 4: really hard to get this movie made because a lot

952
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: of studios turned it down, and then also in another

953
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 4: article about the film in slash Film quote, Siegelman also

954
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 4: said that securing product placement was essentially a non starter,

955
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: including those so called progressive corporations, because they were all

956
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 4: too offended by the content of the film. Selgman hasn't

957
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: outed any of these cutlass worms, my words, not hers,

958
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: but she did say, quote, just think of any liberal

959
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: corporation that has a pride float. They were all like, no,

960
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: not only will we not do something with you, but

961
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: do not put anything of ours in there. It was

962
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 4: really disheartening, and I think as we're having this larger

963
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: conversation about how corporations use pride and use queer aesthetics

964
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: sometimes as like marketing thing when it can be you know,

965
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: nice and respectable and not cause any controversy, and then

966
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: are so so quick to pull back as soon as anything,

967
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: as soon as there is any backlash from the right,

968
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: or as soon as anything is like a little bit

969
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: more outside of you know, the kind of heteronormative expectations

970
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 4: that these things they'll have to fall into, or like

971
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: toes the line like a little bit more than they want,

972
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: They're so quick to just like turn their backs. I

973
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 4: think this is another example of like, yeah, there was

974
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: this very like queer film that has really spoken to

975
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 4: a lot of people. The fact that there weren't really

976
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: any companies that wanted to be involved with it, I

977
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 4: think that's saying something. And so then the last big

978
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: thing I wanted to talk about was like the casting

979
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: of this movie, because I think that was very intentional.

980
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: And this is another thing that I think I really

981
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: loved about this movie. So this is a quote from

982
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 4: Them magazine, which is a UCLA publication.

983
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: Quote.

984
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: The integrity of the casting makes quote the nerd and

985
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: the cheerleader take new shape, pushing them beyond the stereotypes

986
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 4: and nostalgic punch lines. When looking to cast the character

987
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: of Hazel, played by the ever charming RuBee Cruz, the

988
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: casting team was surprised by the new Colors crews brought

989
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: to the text.

990
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: This character was a nerd who was also secretly very cool.

991
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 4: The role suddenly contained a mix of self confidence and

992
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: the desire to be part of something larger. In an

993
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 4: interview with Indie Wire, Selgman reflects that when you are

994
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 4: incerting queer characters into these tropes from the teen movie genre,

995
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 4: they will come out differently.

996
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: They can't just copy what has been done. That happened

997
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: naturally with Hazel so like.

998
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: And that I think that is something that I've seen

999
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: a lot of people's reaction to this movie being like, well,

1000
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: it didn't make any sense that Hazel was kind of

1001
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 4: like the nerd or like the loser character, because like

1002
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: she's so cool and she's so like beautiful, and it's

1003
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: like that's kind of part of the point is like

1004
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 4: it's playing with these tropes. It's like you you're casting

1005
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: a like which, yeah, like Ruby Cruz gorgeous, so much

1006
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: like charm and like I just like such.

1007
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: An cool like literally I think I don't know.

1008
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: I gain I didn't watch Willow, so Annie you can

1009
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 4: speak to this, but I see if like her character

1010
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: was sort of like very like bad and charming, and

1011
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 4: like I was like, okay, cool, Like I like that,

1012
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 4: Like we're taking that kind of character, and yeah, when

1013
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: you are queer in high school, like oftentimes you still

1014
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 4: sort of are the outcast, like regardless of how like

1015
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 4: cool and chill you are or whatever. Another thing that

1016
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 4: I've seen talked about in this film was kind of

1017
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: how it deals with the whole like black best friend

1018
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 4: trope that we see in a lot of like high

1019
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: school movies and particularly a lot of like high school

1020
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: movies from like the nineties and early two thousands. When

1021
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: like we're first introduced to Josie p Day, it kind

1022
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 4: of seems like again, like Josie sort of falls into

1023
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: that trope of being like the black best friend like

1024
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: sidekick character. When they first see the graffiti on the

1025
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 4: lockers Josie's number one and pg's number two. TJ has

1026
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: a line where she's like, you're the sidekick, not me,

1027
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: and like, even though at the start of the film,

1028
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: again like Pj's kind of the one initiating a lot

1029
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: of the plot of the movie. Josie is the one

1030
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: that we see ultimately grow as a character, and like

1031
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: through that kind of ends up being the main character.

1032
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: I found this medium article about the film, which is

1033
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 4: written by Aliya Brunelle Mormont, and when she states quote

1034
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: subverting the comedy genre, the white best friend PJ assumed

1035
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 4: to fail while the black protagonist perseveres in all her glory.

1036
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 4: I've seen the same kind of argument about Tim, who's

1037
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: also kind of introduced as like Jeff's sidekick, but then ultimately,

1038
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: like through the course of the movie, Jeff is like

1039
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: a complete airhead, has no idea what's happening in the

1040
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 4: entire time, Tim is really the main villain. So something

1041
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: I think that was really cool that this movie did

1042
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 4: is again like taking it is entirely like a movie

1043
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: about tropes, right.

1044
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: And it takes it's with Hazel, with Josie, with PJ,

1045
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: with Tim.

1046
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: It subverts a lot of these tropes on their head

1047
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: and sees the ways that we can reimagine them in

1048
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 4: a queer context.

1049
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: And I really love that.

1050
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: That gives me a lot of hope for the future

1051
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 4: of these types of films and the future of like

1052
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: queer reimaginings of these genres.

1053
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: Yes, it's really fun. It's fun to like reimagine tropes

1054
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: or see them done differently. Yeah, it's refreshing.

1055
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: I like it too.

1056
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: I want to end on a quote that's also from

1057
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: that femb magazine article that says, quote, whether it's a

1058
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: cult classic or not, Bottoms is more than just nostalgic

1059
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 4: for the wild time of twenty twenty three. It's emblematic

1060
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: and dare I say optimistic for a new generation's vision

1061
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 4: of filmmaking. The film's disregard for social and cinematic etiquette

1062
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: rifally encapsulates frustration of today's youth, presenting a story that

1063
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 4: is as joyous as it is delightfully uncomfortable, and then

1064
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 4: I think gets at kind of my main takeaway from this.

1065
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 4: It is such a ridiculous movie. It is like so

1066
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 4: much happens, there's so many it is so irreverent, it

1067
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 4: is so its own unique thing, and I love that,

1068
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 4: and that is what I hope we really see more of,

1069
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 4: I think going forward with queer film and like just

1070
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 4: film in general.

1071
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean it's definitely one of those like

1072
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: very smart, fast, fast talking off pace, like off pace,

1073
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 6: like it keeps you going in one way or the other,

1074
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 6: whether you get comfortable or not, it jumps to another thing.

1075
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: You're like what, oh what? Oh yeah, car bombing was

1076
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, like there was ending the house and

1077
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: you're like the nd oh.

1078
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 6: She's gonna bomb the car. Okay, that's one.

1079
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: And then like there's so many games.

1080
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're gonna.

1081
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 6: Kill somebody and the like they're literally gonna oh, they're

1082
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 6: gonna kill an entire football team. No one seems to care. Cool, Okay,

1083
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 6: we got that, we got that, and then everybody makes

1084
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 6: out even better, even better, let's go. Like it definitely

1085
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 6: hit up all of that with all of the like

1086
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 6: again with like the good one liners, whether it was

1087
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 6: Ao or Marshall Lynch or like Hazel character, like they

1088
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 6: did each line that was so specific to that character

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Speaker 6: and or to the plot that you were like, what's

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Speaker 6: that come from? That?

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Speaker 1: It's a smart comedy that actually has been like oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe i'm too old for insances. What's happening? Like half

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00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: of that was for me as well, but it was

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Speaker 1: so good.

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Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, look at it is reminiscent of the

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Speaker 6: times of like whether it was Heather's in the eighties

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Speaker 6: or Ten Things I Hate About You in the late nineties,

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Speaker 6: is like it kind of hits into that remember young

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Speaker 6: like the younger generation or whatever it was at that time,

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Speaker 6: or smarter than you think, and here's like this is

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Speaker 6: what's entertaining them, And yeah, if you don't understand, you

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Speaker 6: don't understand, like the end of story, because like that

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Speaker 6: level that it's like, yes, oh okay, I love it.

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Speaker 6: Let's keep making these like hilarious levels of commentary that

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Speaker 6: also takes a while to figure out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I one of the things I remember,

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Speaker 4: one of the articles I was reading about this movie

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Speaker 4: was talking about the fact that something that it does

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00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: too is that like a lot of movies that focus

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Speaker 4: on teenage girls will kind of have like a like

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Speaker 4: girl power undertone, this movie explicitly is in conversation with

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Speaker 4: feminism and explicitly has a lot of jokes that have

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Speaker 4: to do with having some knowledge like feminism and feminist

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Speaker 4: history and all of that. And it's like, you know,

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00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: despite a movie that is about two girls trying to

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Speaker 4: trick other girls into wanting to sleep with them, is

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Speaker 4: like a very feminist movie in the way that it

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Speaker 4: like it is very explicit about the fact that it

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Speaker 4: is in conversation with a lot of these like overarching

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Speaker 4: feminist ideas, and like even the joke about like, oh,

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Speaker 4: let's just the second wave all over again. There's like

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00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 4: another joke about like oh, my uterus belongs to the

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Speaker 4: government or like like that. Like there's all these like

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Speaker 4: little quips that it's like you have to kind of

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Speaker 4: have a little bit more of it, like it goes

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Speaker 4: beyond the surface level, just like Girl Boss, like girl

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: power idea. It's like an it requires a little bit

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Speaker 4: more of an understanding of like what feminism is and

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Speaker 4: what like the status of women and queer women in

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Speaker 4: the world right now is.

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Speaker 3: And I I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely in the background the whole time too,

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00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of posters that's like smile more women,

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: He'll like you. It's very much in that kind of

1135
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: heteromele gaze of this is your your your part to play,

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Speaker 2: and so it was it was nice to see characters

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00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: that just don't care about that, like no, that's not

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00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: my thing, and just a bunch of like conversations around

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 2: like the teacher with allies and that and like really

1140
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 2: bad flirting in the beginning with the beings in Oh yeah,

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00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, so that was there. That was there,

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00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: and then yeah, like there's this whole seed where they're

1143
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: like trauma, like trauma dumping it.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, in that way, it is consistent throughout in

1146
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: a way that's both funny and kind.

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: Of like yep, yeah, it makes you thing.

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00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: And again, I think like I've also like talked to

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00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 4: people that were like, well, I didn't really like it

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00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 4: because I don't like how casually they just talked about

1151
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 4: like sexual assault and.

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.

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00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, I get that, that's understandable. Like

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00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: I think again, like everybody has different responses to things,

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00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 4: and I think that's an understandable response. I watched it,

1156
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: and my response was like, Wow, this is really cathartic

1157
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 4: to be able to like joke about this in a

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00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: way that is not exploitative, you know. Yeah, yeah, I

1159
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: think it's definitely a movie that is consistently like commenting

1160
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: on again, like a lot of this stuff that was

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Speaker 4: very present in my life when I was in high

1162
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Speaker 4: school and navigating high school as like a queer teenager. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think the movie does a good job of discussing

1164
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Speaker 4: a lot of that and like a very satirical, over

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Speaker 4: the top way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree we should come back later and just

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Speaker 2: talk about our high school experiences because I didn have

1168
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: moments watching his or was like is that.

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Speaker 6: What it's like? Or is this Yes, I feel like

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00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 6: it's throwing it back because the cheerleader like the captain

1171
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 6: of the team and the high school cheerleader thing I

1172
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 6: thought was so nineties that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is it back? Is that back now?

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Speaker 6: Because for a minute, you know how it did the

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00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 6: whole what was that show Hill when it's like it's

1176
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 6: not cool to be an athlete anymore to the nerd

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Speaker 6: And that was like mid two thousands, So I'm like, oh, okay, yeah,

1178
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 6: that's about right. Like have we gone back to being

1179
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Speaker 6: the jock?

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Is the better way?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, huh, I don't know, I will say, I

1182
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: mean like, I don't know, and I like everybody's high

1183
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: school different and I went to school. I went to

1184
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 4: a huge high school too, so it was very like,

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00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: I don't know, we didn't have as much as like

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Speaker 4: the social structure.

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Speaker 3: I think just because everybody was kind of doing their

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00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: own thing.

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Speaker 4: But like that was but that was That's another thing

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00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: where I think like this movie does a good job

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 4: of like satirizing those films, because like I grew up

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Speaker 4: watching a lot of the like John Hughes movies and

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00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: a lot of like yeah, like the early two thousands

1194
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 4: movies that were very much like yeah, the popular kids

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: are the cheerleaders and the football players.

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Speaker 6: And like.

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Speaker 3: I think I knew the names of like two cheerleaders

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Speaker 3: like by high school.

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Speaker 4: Like it was just kind of like, oh, that's like

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Speaker 4: another activity people do, Like I don't know, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: like right, Like I was sort of like, oh.

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Speaker 3: This isn't what I was told high school was going

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00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: to be like.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like this movie doesn't like also kind

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01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: of makes fun of that, Like this is the image

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Speaker 4: that we have in the movies of what high school is.

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Speaker 1: Like what high school?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew some game cheerleaders like they were cool.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you I related with the football is

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Speaker 2: everything that was in my town.

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Speaker 3: That was everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever seen the faculty? No, it's like

1214
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety nine, yeah.

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: The nineties.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, but it's a horror film kind of okay.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: My senior year of high school, our football team lost

1219
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 4: every single game, which was really funny.

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Speaker 3: We were not a football high school.

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Speaker 6: We went either a small town. We were a small

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 6: town in the South. We were not a high school

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Speaker 6: football team like football town either, because we sucked, so

1224
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 6: no one really cared like you cared because you did things.

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01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 6: That was the only thing to do, and most of

1226
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 6: the people in the town was involved. Outside of that,

1227
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 6: the band did so much more. The band actually ruled

1228
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 6: our school more than any other groups, like Homecoming Queen

1229
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Speaker 6: and all of that, because that was that level.

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Speaker 1: They were a force.

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Speaker 2: I was in band, My experience was different, but I

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: believe the Homecoming Queen was from band. She was pretty

1233
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: good though, I actually liked her. I say that as if.

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Speaker 3: There were.

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01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: I meane there were there were this level.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: High school experience aside, God, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I was a I was a theater kid.

1239
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: Theater kid.

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a cheerleader in a theater.

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 3: You were a cheerleader. Oh my god, I don't know

1242
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 3: should be offended by the like that weirdly makes sense.

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: This was some thing though, No, because like I know

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: that no, that is I just I was.

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01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: Gonna say, like I feel like I know this is

1246
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 4: going back to the whole like cheerleader trope and and

1247
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: where I was like so many of the people that

1248
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: I knew that used to be cheerleaders, like we're not

1249
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 4: like then grew up and we're not.

1250
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: Like the preppy like I don't know.

1251
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I's well, this is why we have to

1252
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: examine the tropes.

1253
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: So we have to examine the tropes.

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 4: I was a dancer for a really long time too,

1255
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 4: so I feel like there was there's an alternate universe

1256
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: or maybe that was.

1257
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: Me different like eras too different eras well.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, yes, we should come back and talk about this, uh,

1259
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: because it was. It was a really fun movie. I'm

1260
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: glad you turned us onto it. I hadn't heard of it,

1261
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed it, and I did I did

1262
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: make me think about a bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: I never heard.

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01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: Of it really, so thank you. I remember it was

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01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: a big when it came out.

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01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just behind the times and some very

1267
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: specific ways I'm behind the times and other ways I'm

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01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: like way ahead. It's bizarre, right, But yes, I really

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01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: enjoyed it and thank you so much for coming on

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: and talking about it and sharing this with us.

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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you for having me, thank you for

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: letting me just talk about this movie.

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Speaker 3: So glad you guys liked to Yeah.

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01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we always enjoy having you on. So come back whenever.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So where can the good listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: That's the Instagram and Twitter and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely well until next time, Joey. That was

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Speaker 2: so fun.

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Speaker 2: to Maya and contrit Joey Hey, thank you, yes, and

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