1 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Sunday, March eighth, I do believe, 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: and happy International Women's Day. Now shut up and do 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: what you're told. And with that, welcome to this episode 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Obviously, I am not TJ. Holmes 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: telling anybody, any woman to shut up, but Robes, I 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: think some might be surprised to think at just how 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: many men these days actually do go along with that sentiment. 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: Yes, I actually think this is quite shocking. 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: There is a new study that has been put out, 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: actually in coordination with International Women's Day. But the interesting 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: thing is for me, I'm curious where you fall on this, 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: but as a woman, I am shocked that it is 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: the younger generation of men in this world, according to 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: this latest survey, who believes in the tradition or like 15 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: the ageal traditional gender role type of scenario more so 16 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: than the older generation. That was a shocking revelation to me. 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we need to dive into 18 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: this a little more to kind of figure it out. 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: I mean, it does vary from country to country. This 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: was a survey done I think they I believe they 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: surveyed men from twenty nine different countries around the world. 22 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: The big headline that you'll see if you're jumping on 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: line today or maybe even in the next day or two, 24 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: is this headline thirty one percent. 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Or they say a third of gen. 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: Z men believe that women should always obey the husband. 27 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: And wish you was starting with that. What's gen z? 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: I can't ever keep these people straight. Millennials, all this stuff. 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: I get confused as well. 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: But gen Z is determined as folks born between nineteen 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: ninety six and twenty twelve. So both of my daughters 32 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 3: fall in that age generation. 33 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: So twenty twelve. 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: Ava was born in two thousand and two and she's 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: twenty three, So thirty three and then ninety six would 36 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: put you in the category of being. 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Thirty, right or forty gen z. 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm so bad. 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six is twenty twenty six, so that would 40 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 3: be thirty thirty gen Z would be thirty No, forty, sheez. 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: I am so bad with math. Nineteen ninety six to 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: Please help me with somebody who has better sense about 44 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: numbers than me. 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Those are the years that people are born. Is that correct? Correct? Okay? 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: All right, so that's twenty twelve. That was was fourteen 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: years ago. If you were born in twenty twelve, is 48 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: that correct? 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: Yes, you'd be fourteen. 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so then the raine you're going back to that 51 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: is ninety six, two thousand and six, sixty and thirty. 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: That's thirty to fourteen years old. 53 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: Correct. 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: Those are younger people, not forty, right, correct? 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: So ages thirty to fourteen you now, and that is. 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Do we have that number right? 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: Yes? That's sad but true. 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: Yes, because millennials are nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety five, 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: and then gen X, which is you and me, is 60 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy nine, and then baby 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: boom boomers are nineteen forty five to nineteen sixty five. 62 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Everyone get that straight. 63 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking gen Z gen Z younger folk, very young. 64 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: What's a millennial? So I even not bring that up 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: right now? 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: No? I so I actually so a millennial nineteen ninety five, 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: so that would be twenty nine would be the oldest 68 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: millennial right now? 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: Correct? Sorry, don't give me math problems at any point 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: in my life. I'm terrible. If I was born in 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: seventy three, seven years old, seven years younger than me. 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know where you're going with this a 73 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: question anymore. So anyway point being gen Z, let's focus there, 74 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: gen Z. 75 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: So this is the generation that believes, at least a 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: third of them around the world, that women should always 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 3: obey the husband. And it was very interesting because even 78 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: with all of those generations, the majority of men who 79 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: were surveyed for this International Women's Day survey believe that 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: men have gone so far in helping women achieve a 81 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: quality that now those same men are being discriminated against. 82 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: I am curious, as a gen xer yourself where you fall. 83 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: I don't believe that you you believe that women should 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: always obey the husband? 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: Am I correct in that belief? 86 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone could fill out a survey 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: at what point ever in time? Obey is a weird thing. Positions, 88 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: traditional roles track wives, you know that whole thing that 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: is one thing. Obedience is a different word. So if 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the survey was conducted in that way and asked in 91 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: that manner, that is peculiar to me. Obey is different, 92 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: do what you're told, follow the man's lead. That's different 93 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: than oby. That sounds like a more extremist scenario. 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: So I would say when it comes to that, I 95 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: have heard that referred to when it comes to men 96 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: and women, but mostly in biblical terms, in religious terms. 97 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: And so obviously when I say. 98 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: Biblical, when you're talking about the world, it isn't just 99 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: about Christianity. 100 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: It's all religions. 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: But I do think there are folks who are of 102 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: certain religionious beliefs that do think that there needs to 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: be one person who ultimately is the leader, perhaps the 104 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: moral leader, the family leader. And oftentimes when you look 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: at religion history speaking, it is the man who is 106 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: deemed to be closer to God. 107 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: If you go back to Adam and Eve, Adam was. 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: The original it was one of his ribs that, according 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: to the Bible, that created Eve, and so by default, 110 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: the man might be closer to being godlike. Therefore, the 111 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: woman believes the man might have a better or a 112 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: stronger or a closer connection to God. That was always 113 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: the way it was described to me. And so maybe 114 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: perhaps I'm putting this out there. I can't get in 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: the mind of a gen Z man around the world, 116 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: but there are historic religious foundations for this belief that 117 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: women should obey their husbands, and that used to be 118 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: in marital vows. 119 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: Did it not? 120 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: But does this go coincide then with the has there 121 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: been I guess more of an emphasis on religion in 122 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: recent years? Has there been more? And again this was 123 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: done in so many countries, it was not just in 124 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: the United States. But has there been more of a 125 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: call to God from a younger generation, then this would 126 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: maybe go in line with that. 127 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting and there are a lot of 128 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: different philosophies or people trying to figure out why we're 129 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: where we are now. Because I think this is so 130 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: interesting that if you have thirty one percent of gen 131 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: Z men around the world, we should point out this 132 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: is not here in the United States. 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: This also includes. 134 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: All twenty eight other countries that a wife should always 135 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: obey her husband. But if you think about that, only 136 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: thirteen percent of men who are baby boomers believe that 137 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: this is something that I would have thought intellectually as 138 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: a woman. 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: Given all the access we have to. 140 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: Just the way people think and just international internet connections 141 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: to how everyone is, that there would be a reckoning 142 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: of source where people recognize equality and recognize that we 143 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: all bring different things to the table, and that there 144 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: should be a sense of equality, the idea that baby 145 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: boomers only thirteen percent of men who were baby boomers 146 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: believe that. 147 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: Thirty one percent of Gen Z men think that, how 148 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: do you? I don't know how to explain that. 149 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: They get it. They've lived life, they've seen the world change, 150 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: they've evolved, and they've evolved with it. I'm that actually, 151 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: I older folks aren't as stubborn as as sometimes a 152 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: society would, at least in pop culture, suggest they are. 153 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: And I think it's the young'ins that would be more 154 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: bull headed. I think, yeah, older folks have lived a 155 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: lot of life ropes. How many times? How much have 156 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: you changed in the past two years? Because you've lived 157 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: enough life to understand, to see, and to and to 158 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: know you could be wrong and that you were wrong 159 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: at some point along the way. I think, Yeah, to 160 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: that point, I kind of get it, and I'm kind 161 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: of hopeful. That makes me hopeful to hear that number. 162 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't make me hopeful when I do talk to 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: folks like your daughter. Sometimes when I talk to younger 164 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: folks who they got it all figured out. We got it. 165 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: Y'all ain't no, no, y'all ain't just y'all ain't hip to it. 166 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: We got it now, Yeah, maybe that's the case. 167 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: You know what you just made. 168 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: I light bulb went off for me when you started speaking. 169 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: Because the idea we so often we talk about, we 170 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: read about the wisdom of older people, and yet do 171 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: we actually listen to their advice. Do we actually take 172 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: what they've experienced and recognize the value in that wisdom 173 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: and then apply it to our own lives? 174 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: Almost never, But that totally makes sense. 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: You go out with this idea to protect yourself, to 176 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: make yourself feel more virulent, more powerful, more or whatever, 177 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: and then life teaches you a lot of different lessons. 178 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: And maybe that is the disparity here because some folks 179 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: who are trying to figure out why I mean, it 180 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: is a fairly shocking thing to hear that a third 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: of men gen z young men around the world think 182 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: that it should be that women should be obeying their husbands. 183 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: And some of the folks who are trying to dissect 184 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: this and figure this out, say, look, a lot of 185 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: men in this world now, as women have gotten more opportunities, 186 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: have had the opportunity to be educated, have had the 187 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: opportunity to go to college, and to make money, and 188 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: in many in several scenarios in different countries actually become 189 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: the breadwinners that maybe men are looking at women as 190 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: responsible for their rejection, for their low self esteem, for 191 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: their as they put economic insecurity, and so they're saying, 192 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: now we have it backwards, that this is all messed up. 193 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 3: We should go back to the way it was, the 194 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: whole Make America gradient. I'm not saying that that movement 195 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: is specifically responsible for any sort of response from this specific. 196 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: Poll that's out there. 197 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: But certainly there are a lot of folks who believe 198 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: that there is this idea like men now feel rejected 199 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: in a way that they need to point the finger 200 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: at something, and maybe it is the Women's lib movement. 201 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: This isn't accurate when you're saying, this isn't an actual pole, 202 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: this is an emotional pole. This is guys maybe reacting. 203 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: They don't necessarily believe this, but this is a reaction 204 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: to what the world has presented them. It's a reaction 205 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: to opportunity that women have gotten. It's a reaction to equality. 206 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: That is what a lot of people are pointing to. 207 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: But it is still shocking to hear. 208 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: I am personally surprised at these numbers are you I'm curious, 209 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: as a man who is a gen xer, are you 210 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: surprised by this? 211 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: The extentive male idiocy never surprises me. I'm serious. We 212 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: hold on anytime anybody begins to get more rights, begin 213 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: to evolve, to get more support, any class, any protected class, 214 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: another class then feels like they're losing something. How can 215 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: women gain? If women gain, that means men must be losing. 216 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: That's the mindset we often have. I didn't I didn't 217 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, I did not do research on this topic. 218 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking through this as we're talking here, and that's 219 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: beginning to make sense to me. We have this thing 220 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: that we if one group wins, another loses. That for 221 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: if women are gaining, men are losing, and then attitudes 222 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: start to change. So the numbers are starting to make 223 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: sense to me. Okay, what I'm saying. 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: That is very interesting. 225 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back, I'm gonna ask you TJ, 226 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 3: because I know you haven't done a deep dive on 227 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: these numbers. If you think men should figure out problems 228 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: on their own before asking help that answer when we come. 229 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: Back, all right, we can do you here on Amy 230 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: and DJ Cat. This is like the perfect Sunday right now, 231 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: having a conversation with my with my love. I got 232 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: a espresso martini in front of me. I got a 233 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: great college basketball game going this Sabine has been great 234 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: and hanging with her today is the weather has been nice. 235 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: This is a wonderful, wonderful day. And then we ruin 236 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: it by once again reminding the world that men are idiots. 237 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: No, but you know what this is. But this is 238 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: a fascinating conversation. 239 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: And it's funny because we're watching just so everyone knows 240 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: the Michigan Michigan State basketball game. 241 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: I actually called my dad a few minutes ago. I 242 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: was walking. It was beautiful. I thought, let me check 243 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: in with my parents. 244 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: My Dad's like, yeah, can I call you back? Michigan 245 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: Michigan States on I need to go. 246 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: Just if anybody wondered if we ever take these ahead 247 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: of times as real time as. 248 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: Against in full disclosure, I was born in Lansing, Michigan. 249 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: My dad is a Michigan State grad, and he is 250 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: heavily invested in this game. And it's extremely close right now, 251 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: and I'm kind of also allured by this. This is 252 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: a heated rivalry that has gone on for decades and 253 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: will probably be so for Oh wow, the tension in 254 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: the crowd is palpable. But we now talk again about 255 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: what's going on on this. 256 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: International Women's Day. 257 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: By the way, Happy International Women's Day to all you 258 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: fellow women out there. 259 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: But yes, as. 260 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: We thrive, you know, you get to this point where 261 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: now there is a reaction and maybe an overcorrection. And 262 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: some would say maybe men are feeling that overcorrection and 263 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: wanting to reassert their dominance whatever it is. 264 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: But I thought, look, the big headline is a third 265 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: of men. 266 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: Around the world who are young, who are thirty years 267 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: old and younger. Took us a while to figure out 268 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: that math, but that is in fact what we're talking about. 269 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: Believe that women should obey, wives should obey their husbands, 270 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: that that is the way forward. Now there are a 271 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: lot of they asked. I think there were thirteen questions 272 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: in this poll. It was all very interesting. I thought 273 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: this one was extra interesting for all of you wives 274 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: or any women in relationships with men out there. There's 275 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: a going joke always about men refusing to ask for directions. Yes, 276 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: I guess in the era of Google Maps that maybe 277 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: has all not even become something we even talk about 278 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: anymore because we can all just ask Siri. But I 279 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: am curious, babe. Do you think as a man, I'm 280 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: just curious. 281 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: Do you think you should figure. 282 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: Out your problem before asking me or anyone else for 283 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: help or guidance? 284 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Yes? Not as a man. That's anything I'm doing, anything 285 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: any of us are doing. If I'm in the kitchen, 286 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: if I am trying to figure out where something goes, 287 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: if I'm in the theater room trying to figure out 288 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: how to log into a particular streaming service, if I'm 289 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: in the back trying to figure out it doesn't matter. 290 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. In day to day life, every little thing 291 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: you do, you try to figure it out and then 292 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: you go, oh crap, I need help. But what's natural? 293 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: What does it take for you to get to that 294 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: point where you would actually ask me or someone else. 295 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: I'll ask anybody. I don't have time to waste. Okay, 296 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: that's just me, and I'm trying to leave room for 297 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: somebody else feeling differently about it, but that is my mindset. 298 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: The male female nothing robes. How many times you know this? 299 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: How many times a day I can't figure something out? 300 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I say, by what does that mean, I've never heard 301 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: of that. You'll say a word to me, I say, 302 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: what does that word mean? I'll ask you. I ask 303 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: you constantly if I don't know something, we don't have 304 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: time to waste. The male female thing doesn't come into 305 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: any kind anywhere in my mind as I'm doing that. 306 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: That might be age, that might be experienced, that might 307 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: be you're my best friend, that might be all kinds 308 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: of things, But I just I just don't the male 309 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: female part of that. It is not a part of 310 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: the equation. 311 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: I think when it's this is my perception of you 312 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: problem solving. I think when you think it's reasonable to 313 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: ask for help, when it's reasonable. 314 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: That you wouldn't know it, you will. But if you 315 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: think you should know it, you won't even let me in. 316 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: You'll be like, I got this, I'm on it. What 317 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: like you? Just you do? 318 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: You? You do have a mindset where I would say, 319 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: and maybe it annoys you, but I'll ask you for 320 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: help while I'm trying to figure it out. I do 321 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: think there's a difference and I and maybe it's gender based, 322 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: maybe it's not. But this study showed that thirty two 323 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: percent of men, So that's again around the same. A 324 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: third of men think I should figure out my problem 325 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: on my own before I ask for help, And I 326 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: would say that I would ask for help while I'm 327 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. 328 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, that doesn't sound so I 329 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: don't have the what's the language on that one? Again? 330 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: Because that doesn't seem Yes, don't we all try to 331 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: figure it out before we ask for help? 332 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: No, I think I would ask for help while I'm 333 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. 334 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: Like I would be like, hey, if you got an 335 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: answer while I'm trying to google this, or like, I 336 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: don't know, put on my glasses and read the fine 337 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: print if. 338 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: You know, like I'll take that. Like I do think 339 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: it is. 340 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: A more male ego driven mode of operation to say 341 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: I got this, and I'm not saying you don't have it, 342 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: but I am. 343 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: Actually And maybe it's call it, maybe. 344 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: It's deferring to someone else, or maybe this maybe I'm 345 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: on a foundation of how could I possibly know this 346 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: on my own? And you're thinking, why wouldn't I know 347 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: this on my own? There is a different sometimes a 348 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: different place I think where we're coming from from a 349 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: gender based expectation that I think I shouldn't know it, 350 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: and you think you should know it, And so I'm like, hey. 351 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: You know because I don't. 352 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: And you might be like I should know this and 353 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: I'll figure it out before asking for help. 354 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: That's crazy. No, I just I give it just something 355 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: that makes sense generally speaking. I'm just I'm forty eight. 356 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: I just I'm running out of time to try to 357 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: figure this out on my own. I could use some help. 358 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: Let's save some time. 359 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: So the interesting way that they put this, so this 360 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: was an IPSO study. I found that so they put 361 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: this all in one sentence. I'm curious what you think 362 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: about this. Forty three percent of gen Z men believe 363 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: men should. 364 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Try to be physically tough when necessary. 365 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 3: Wait, say it again, it said forty three percent of 366 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: gen Z men believe young men should try to besly. 367 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Tough, should try to be physically tough. 368 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: And when it came to more emotion centric prompts, thirty 369 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: two percent of men agreed that men should figure out 370 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: problems on their own before asking for help. That was 371 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: where I was trying to get this idea of masculinity, 372 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: like I got this, I can take care of this, 373 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: I can figure this out. 374 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: I don't need anyone else's help. 375 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: And that's why I went to the whole I don't 376 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: need to ask for directions thing because that was always 377 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 3: kind of like the go to explanation where I felt 378 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 3: like that was. 379 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: The thing they were kind of referring to generally. 380 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: Okay, is it masculine to not have to ask for 381 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: help in changing a newborn's diaper? You see what I'm 382 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: getting at? 383 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: Yes? 384 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: Is it a matter of the task or that me 385 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: handling the task on my own? Right? You know what 386 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying. No one, you look at a man over 387 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: there changing a diaper. You don't think that's manly. You 388 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's a stud I think you don't think 389 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: that's looking over that. Yeah, it's sexy as hell, and 390 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have to ask for help in doing it. Right. 391 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: What is it we we keep assigning these these things? 392 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: What is masculine and what is being a man? Is 393 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: it being a man to not ask for help? Is 394 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: it being a man to not at it? That's manly? Okay, 395 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: that's fine, some people can see it's that way. I 396 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: know what we were getting at here, robes. But then the 397 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: task that you don't ask for help in doing coleaning 398 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: the dishes, handling the dishwasher. I didn't ask for help 399 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: on that. I swept the floors, I made the bed, 400 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: I sprayed downy wrinkle release on the damn thing. I 401 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: did all these things and didn't have to ask for help. 402 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: Are those not manly chores? 403 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: I think they are? 404 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: Okay? Then what are we doing? 405 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: Then? 406 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: What are we doing right? We we're just struggling with 407 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: what is supposed to be manly behavior and not and 408 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: we're just seeing I guess rogues generations kind of shift. 409 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: The older generation that grew up with that thing has 410 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: now grown up and grown old and figured out, Wow, 411 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: we didn't get it right. And now the younger generation 412 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: is trying to figure this ish out and they will. 413 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: That's interesting and I guess that's hopeful the way you 414 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: put it that, maybe we're just looking at a younger 415 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: generation who hasn't lived enough life to understand that we don't. 416 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: That you don't need to prove anything to be something. 417 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: And in a world where women are becoming more relevant, 418 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: in a world where women are more educated and am, 419 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: in a world where women are earning more money, do 420 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: you think men are struggling for their role their identity. 421 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: Is that part of what is fueling some of this 422 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: that we're seeing in these types of. 423 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: S's a mindset where if you are of an old 424 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: mindset of what a man is supposed to be, then 425 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: you have a problem with Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton 426 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: being the Democratic nominee. That means you also have a 427 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: problem with your woman going out and making twice your 428 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: salary and not realizing, Wow, that's awesome that I got 429 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: a woman that can earn twice as much as me 430 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: and still wants to be with my bum ass. Right, 431 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: we're looking at it all the wrong way. What is manhood? 432 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: What is it now? That's that's I'm okay with the 433 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: evolution robes. I think it's kind of cool, and I 434 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: think it's kind of cool for the younger they're going 435 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to figure it out like we did. Robes. There were 436 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: people our generation look back to, some members of our 437 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: own family, how they looked at our opposite races. Even 438 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: like I've our families evolved from a time right and 439 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: in their lifetime they changed in their own thinking because 440 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: of the world changing around them. This is kind of 441 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know where this story was going, and this 442 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: stat hopeful in seeing this. Wow, that's hopeful because it's cyclical. 443 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: We all figure it out, and we all think at 444 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: that age that we got to figure it out. 445 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: I'm curious, and we'll wrap this up with your thoughts 446 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: on this. But when you were I guess thirty and under, 447 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: so when you were in your twenties, teens, twenties, would 448 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: you have ever said, I'm just curious and I won't 449 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: hold this against you, that a wife should obey her husband. 450 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's insanity. That's obey. Oh my god. Okay, 451 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: First of all, the word obey should be banished. Who obeys? 452 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: For like, give me any scenario, any relationship? A dog 453 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: obeys the bam okay, And if we start with that, 454 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: that's the first one you can come up with, exactly. 455 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: And that is why the obey? 456 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Give me human and human? Is there any obey? Maybe 457 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: the the prisoner has to obey the warden. I don't 458 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: know what else is there other than that. 459 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: I think that verb is so offensive when it comes 460 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: to a relationship. 461 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: No, you never is it? Okay? 462 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I appreciate that, and thank you. 463 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: That makes me feel what you. 464 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: Obey. But if you said I've obeyed you. 465 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: You told me no, I've obeyed you. 466 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 3: The point being is you and I have done that 467 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: and given each other those moments when we know it's 468 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 3: really important to the other person. 469 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it obeying. 470 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: I think it's deferring, maybe in moments where it makes sense, 471 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: and I get that I've deferred a lot. 472 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: Fair But I'm curious do you think that? Do you 473 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: think that what the best way? 474 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: I'm so curious from a man's perspective, was there ever 475 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: a point in which, in modern times it was advantageous 476 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: or better for a relationship or a family for there 477 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: to be a head of household, for. 478 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: Someone to ultimately have the final. 479 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Say okay, just my experience, no, to have the final 480 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: say no. No, one in a couple, in a relationship 481 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: gets veto power. We've done that jokingly. We can talk 482 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: about that in a second, but there is nobody that 483 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: is able to say, at the end of a debate, 484 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: I'm putting my foot down, that is it, and you 485 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: don't have any choice but to accept it. That is 486 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: not a partnership. No relationship works like that. If somebody 487 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: else in whatever world they live in, say that's the 488 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: way we want our household to work, not yourselves out. 489 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, I don't subscribe to that. Even 490 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: it's laughable. 491 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: I just fell more in love with you. Is that possible? 492 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: It shouldn't know, that's nothing. I didn't say anything there 493 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: should have been, But I will say. 494 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: That I do think this is this, so, this, this poll, 495 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: this survey, this, these headlines that are out here on 496 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: this International Women's Day certainly get people up in arms. 497 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: But I do think it's worth a conversation. I do 498 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: think that asking your partner or wondering what works, what 499 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 3: makes sense. And I do think it is shocking to 500 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: hear that the younger generations are like this. But I 501 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: appreciate your perspective. I appreciate the fact that you say 502 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: they'll figure it out. 503 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did too. We thought we had it all 504 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: figured out when we were in our teens twenties. Yes, 505 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: we got it. You old folkies don't know what you're 506 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: talking about. Yes, everybody did. Yes. Do you know they 507 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: used to ride separate buses to school. That was still 508 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: in our parents. Yeah, generation, they figured it out, they 509 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: came around, It just happened. It's okay, they'll figure out. 510 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: They'll be fine, I I. 511 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: You know what, that is the best perspective I've heard 512 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 3: on this entire story. 513 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: And you know what, So when. 514 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: You read these headlines, hopefully you've listened to this episode 515 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: and you're like, you know what, it's gonna be. 516 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 2: Okay, just give it some time. We appreciate that. 517 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: We appreciate you for listening to us on this Sunday 518 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 3: and on this International Women's Day, I may be Roeboch 519 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: alongside my lovely partner TJ. 520 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.