Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff
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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. Julia,
Speaker 1: you have do you ever just said? At home and you're,
Speaker 1: you know, you're maybe you're reading a book, maybe you're watching,
Speaker 1: you know, a little TV, staring at the window, rocking chair,
Speaker 1: in your rocking chair, and and you shut feeling a
Speaker 1: little warm, and you suddenly think, what if I burst
Speaker 1: into flames right now? What if I spontaneously come busted?
Speaker 1: I actually have had these thoughts before, and not necessarily
Speaker 1: in a rocking chair, but it's one of the rocking
Speaker 1: chair does seem like be appropriate place to spontaneously It does,
Speaker 1: and you guys will all see why by the end
Speaker 1: of this podcast why a rocking chair really fits well
Speaker 1: into this scenario. But yeah, I mean, this is one
Speaker 1: of those things. I've got a irrational fear of spontaneous
Speaker 1: fire in general. And I remember which is a good
Speaker 1: thing to be afraid of? Yeah, Fosters and you know
Speaker 1: you name it, um, But I remember seeing pictures of
Speaker 1: the spontaneous human combustion I of as a teenager and
Speaker 1: being like, Wow, this is awful and wonderful all at
Speaker 1: the same time. I had a similar experience with it
Speaker 1: because I feel like I either saw it on Unsolved Mysteries,
Speaker 1: which did a great job about creeping me out or
Speaker 1: or enthralling me about various paranormal things. Um, because Robert
Speaker 1: Stack's voice was so you know, authoritative no matter what
Speaker 1: he's talking about, aliens or or people burning up. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then also like there was like a little book
Speaker 1: I got in uh, like in the checkout line at
Speaker 1: a grocery store for some reason, to avoid a human
Speaker 1: spontaneous It was just like a condensed tone of all
Speaker 1: sorts of paranormal scary things. I had something like that.
Speaker 1: It was like an oddities thing. Yeah yeah. And it
Speaker 1: had of course human spontaneous combustion, which is completely odd.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing, and it's back in the news
Speaker 1: at least it has been this fall in September of
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, and Irish corps Er declared that the
Speaker 1: death of one Michael Flaherty. Flaherty was caused by spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion and that was actually the first instance of
Speaker 1: it in Ireland. It's I was reading the articles about this,
Speaker 1: and and none of the articles actually that I read
Speaker 1: were actually poking fun of the situation. But there is
Speaker 1: sort of a sense of the guy saying, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is because it spontaneous human combustion. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like saying, we don't know who the murder is,
Speaker 1: but I suspect it was magic because it was either
Speaker 1: human spontaneous combustion. Yeah. I don't know if that's not
Speaker 1: really irish, but yes, I totally get you're saying that.
Speaker 1: All those articles seemed to see just be him throwing
Speaker 1: his hands up in the air and saying, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: got to be human combustion. So now, I are you
Speaker 1: about to share more about this particular story. Well, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say that it's probably worth mentioning that
Speaker 1: it was so odd to the corner because you know,
Speaker 1: here he has a seventy six year old man found
Speaker 1: in his home, and uh, the damage was to his body,
Speaker 1: which was totally burned, the ceiling above him and the
Speaker 1: floor beneath him, and there was no other evidence of
Speaker 1: a fire. There was no foul play. There was a
Speaker 1: fire source, but it was a fireplace in the next room.
Speaker 1: So that's why the corner perhaps just threw up his
Speaker 1: hands and said spontaneous human combustion. Oh well, I ran
Speaker 1: across another story from from two thousand eleven, and this
Speaker 1: one was out of San Francisco, and it was reported
Speaker 1: by CBS five. Uh, their their lead is great. A
Speaker 1: man was hospitalized Wednesday evening with life threatening third degree burns.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I mean that's not funny, but you
Speaker 1: know after somehow catching fire inside of San Francisco porn store,
Speaker 1: authorities told CBS five. So, so, basically, police officers were
Speaker 1: on the street and they saw a flaming man come
Speaker 1: run out of the shop suddenly, and there were firefighters
Speaker 1: like a block away, so they able to come over
Speaker 1: and extinguish the flames. But here's another line from there,
Speaker 1: said arson investigators said it was not exactly clear how
Speaker 1: the man caught fire. Police indicated he had apparently been
Speaker 1: watching videos in private booth at the adult arcade when
Speaker 1: the fire ignited. Well that is that is some powerful
Speaker 1: porn perhaps, or as we have found out before, there's
Speaker 1: very rare instances of pyromaniacs having to start fires in
Speaker 1: order to reach a sexual climax. So maybe he was
Speaker 1: like you know that the one out of I don't
Speaker 1: know two million people that that needs to do that.
Speaker 1: So he's like sexy firefighter film check, um, oily rags
Speaker 1: and uh and a torch check. I'm ready to go,
Speaker 1: and then he set himself off that or really powerful
Speaker 1: porn right yeah. Or spontaneous human combustion really does exist,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to talk about today. Um
Speaker 1: does it? Big question mark? Yeah? And before we you know,
Speaker 1: we we've we've started off with these cases, if you will,
Speaker 1: of of of alleged spontaneous human combustion. But but now
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a step back and we're gonna look
Speaker 1: at spot spontaneous combustion. Can it happen? Yes, spontaneous outside
Speaker 1: of humans definitely occurs. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, our senior
Speaker 1: video producer roxand sent it's a really interesting article about
Speaker 1: pistachios and apparently they will spontaneous combusted the drop of
Speaker 1: a hat because especially when they're packed really tightly for
Speaker 1: shipping because I have to remain cool and dry. But
Speaker 1: because they have such a large that content makes them
Speaker 1: really flammable. So when they're packed that densely, um, they
Speaker 1: can actually begin to heat themselves. Um, you know, the oil,
Speaker 1: the postastia oil will start to self heat, causing spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion. So this is really like struck fear into
Speaker 1: the heart of pistachio shippers. Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Postachios were always like a Christmas time sort of treat
Speaker 1: in in my household, and I never considered the possibility
Speaker 1: that they might explode. But in the previous podcast, I
Speaker 1: was mentioning how I wasn't sure of what I was
Speaker 1: going to get my uncle Craig for Christmas because I
Speaker 1: drew his name. But but here, here are two things
Speaker 1: to consider. A he has an irrational fear of unexploded ordinance, okay,
Speaker 1: and and lives in the US. So it's like, it's
Speaker 1: not like he lives in Bosnia or this is good
Speaker 1: or South Asia or anything. Uh. And but then the
Speaker 1: about the only thing on his wish list that that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about getting is mixed nuts in the shell.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking a tightly packed bag of the statuos
Speaker 1: in the shell with a copy of that article Rock
Speaker 1: sand Sinus. Well, just to throw him into full blown PTSD, right, yeah, well, no,
Speaker 1: just a happy alidays. You make it sound meaner than
Speaker 1: it is. But well, okay, I guess that you are
Speaker 1: maybe trying to educate him flash scary. It would be
Speaker 1: a learning slash snack experience. And we know that fear
Speaker 1: has a really important role in learning, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there you go. Uh, I've um, you don't have to
Speaker 1: get me a present this year, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: But there are other stances. Piles of hay or straw y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been known to to spontaneous, spontaneously combust when they decomposed.
Speaker 1: So the bacteria inside them orchestrates that decomposition process, and
Speaker 1: that can generate enough heat to kindle a spark and
Speaker 1: then poof which I actually saw the other day. My
Speaker 1: my neighbor had a compost pile that was smoking really
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and I was like, hey, head's up, and
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, that's pretty normal, and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so just check in. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want my neighbor's house to burn down because of a
Speaker 1: pile of leaves um. And then of course the pile
Speaker 1: of oily rags which you have mentioned, and and you'll
Speaker 1: see this warning on various like varnishes and what have you,
Speaker 1: where they'll say like, don't leave, don't leave the the
Speaker 1: oil rags unattended after you do this, because it may
Speaker 1: set fire to itself. Yeah, because what we're talking about
Speaker 1: here is that oxygen is meeting an inflammatory agent and
Speaker 1: then there there has to be a spark, right, which
Speaker 1: sometimes can happen naturally, like, for instance, the pile of rags.
Speaker 1: You can't start You can't start a fire without a spark,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that what the boss said? Um? No,
Speaker 1: without those there? Yes? Okay, good, he was right. Let's
Speaker 1: just chat chat fact checking my basic physics with with
Speaker 1: the boss. Well, yeah, you have to so mean when
Speaker 1: we do talk about spontaneous human combustion, what what really
Speaker 1: are we talking about? Um, well, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like that case and not so much the case with
Speaker 1: the dude running flaming out of the adult store, because
Speaker 1: that's more just like a dude on fire. Uh. Spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion as as we typically encounter it, we're talking
Speaker 1: somebody who's been burnt down like to the bone or
Speaker 1: through the bones, but then maybe like an entire arm
Speaker 1: will be just laying there on the floor next to them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was identified as early as or the alleged phenomenon
Speaker 1: by a doctor Trail who claimed he had recently discovered
Speaker 1: a peculiar kind of oil in the human blood, which
Speaker 1: is highly inflammable. This oil is chiefly observed in the
Speaker 1: blood of persons who have been addicted to drinking oddent spirits.
Speaker 1: It is probably that this discovery may tend to elucidate
Speaker 1: the hitero explosion inexplicable phenomenon of the spontaneous combustion of
Speaker 1: human bodies. So even back in the day, they were
Speaker 1: seeing these instances that were very odd. Again, there are
Speaker 1: certain hallmarks that we'll talk about that make people quite quizzical. Right,
Speaker 1: it will be someone like they're burned in their rocking
Speaker 1: chair and the chair is still there, but their their
Speaker 1: bones were incinerated, right, which is weird because you've got
Speaker 1: a wood chair, a wooden chair that is not affected
Speaker 1: at all. Right, the room will be fine, the the
Speaker 1: you know, the the chair, the bed will be fine.
Speaker 1: There will be like a legrant arm that isn't burnt.
Speaker 1: And for all. I mean, if if you were just
Speaker 1: to open the door to all sorts of science fiction possibilities,
Speaker 1: it looks like someone was like blasted with a sci
Speaker 1: fi ray gun or a heat gun or something, because
Speaker 1: it just like just cores right through the aliens. Again,
Speaker 1: but we know it's it's not that visiting the elderly.
Speaker 1: So the question arises, you know, what what could be
Speaker 1: going on? And there are there are various theories, um
Speaker 1: and and a number of these theories do relate to, uh,
Speaker 1: to some of these phenomenon we were talking about, for instance,
Speaker 1: methane um methane building up inside the intestines and then
Speaker 1: ignited by enzymes. But what's the problem with that. The
Speaker 1: problem is that, as you had said before, this is
Speaker 1: largely the parts of the body that were largely affected,
Speaker 1: or the skin and the bones, and not the internal organs.
Speaker 1: So that would clue use into an external source of
Speaker 1: the fire rather than internal. Yeah. And and again just
Speaker 1: just to give you an idea of like what it
Speaker 1: takes to incinerate a body, because most of the most
Speaker 1: of the body is not flammable. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing. We're so much water, We're not pistachios. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot in this the can that can
Speaker 1: actually go up in flames. Uh. And if you even
Speaker 1: in like a crematoria, the temperatures are generally like seven
Speaker 1: thousand centigrade and that doesn't even destroy the bones. So
Speaker 1: some of these other theories static electricity, the idea that
Speaker 1: if you were walking around your carpeted home, I guess
Speaker 1: we're just like if you didn't leave and you had
Speaker 1: socks on you and you were just walking around in
Speaker 1: circles and in circles and circles, you could eventually build
Speaker 1: up enough of a static charge to incinerate your body,
Speaker 1: which just seems soles. I mean, you don't need to
Speaker 1: go out and like build a hat out of like
Speaker 1: you know, dryer sheaves. It just seems a little bit silly. Yes, um.
Speaker 1: And and then there's a sort of an extrapolation of
Speaker 1: this by a guy named Larry Arnold, who is a
Speaker 1: self proclaimed expert on the subject and author of a blaze,
Speaker 1: and he claims that there's a new sub atomic particle
Speaker 1: called the pyratron that has the power to ignite the body.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that of course that's none of that
Speaker 1: is Is it all proven? Right? That's the problem with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is kind of interesting. It kind of
Speaker 1: leads into the idea, you know, the whole equals mc
Speaker 1: square thing about matter and energy, and well, what if
Speaker 1: some or all of the matter in our body were
Speaker 1: transferred into into energy? Right? Of course, the problem with that,
Speaker 1: and this is from Dr Stephen Novella, who's a Yale
Speaker 1: neurologists and founder of the New England Skeptics Society. He
Speaker 1: points out that the mass of a single person, if
Speaker 1: entirely converted to energy, would be much more than a
Speaker 1: few hydrogen bombs. So so even if there there was
Speaker 1: some sort of situation with matter transferred into energy inside
Speaker 1: the human body, it would have to be just a
Speaker 1: minute amount of mass, like a very minimum amount. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no process really that could kick start this in
Speaker 1: the first place. I mean, there's not even a theory
Speaker 1: for this. So it's just kind of a hey, maybe
Speaker 1: it's this is particle. But if it were to happen
Speaker 1: to your point would be that we are basically a
Speaker 1: bunch a bunch of walking hydrogen bombs right ready to
Speaker 1: go off, right if if there was some sort of
Speaker 1: process to actually kick that into demotion. Right, And then
Speaker 1: you also have to consider that kids playing with methane,
Speaker 1: and when I say methane mean parts and lighters like
Speaker 1: you would see so many more UH instances a spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion among twelve year old kids. And and remember,
Speaker 1: not everybody produces large quantities of methane. Remember our our
Speaker 1: NASA UH one of our podcasts, we maybe it is
Speaker 1: the wearwolf theory. We're talking about the ideal human body
Speaker 1: to go into space, and NASA found that that. You
Speaker 1: know that there are certain individuals that produce much less
Speaker 1: methane and some individuals who produced no methane. Right, we
Speaker 1: find the face of the whole methane building up in
Speaker 1: your intestines theory, right, But there is one theory that
Speaker 1: seems to hold true, at least in terms of explaining
Speaker 1: how someone might burn the way that they do um
Speaker 1: with their extremities intact and with the rest of the
Speaker 1: room completely intact. You're talking about the whip theory, believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of the more interesting theories and definitely
Speaker 1: more interesting than things like balls of lightning or or
Speaker 1: aliens or aliens or psychic phenomena. And this is basically
Speaker 1: the idea that the human body can, under certain circumstances,
Speaker 1: be like a big fat candle. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: of a candles. You know, the wax ignites the wick
Speaker 1: and keeps it burning right because it's got the fat,
Speaker 1: and that fat continues to allow the candle to burn
Speaker 1: very slowly. So essentially the human body could do the
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, and there was there was actually BBC
Speaker 1: sponsored an experiment in ninety eight, and it was pretty
Speaker 1: great when I found It's like, normally I would not
Speaker 1: be like, hey, there's a study from ninety eight and
Speaker 1: be proud of it, but it was. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: cool experiment they put together, and if you look it
Speaker 1: up online, it's like still like there. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand how some websites do their updates because they're
Speaker 1: parts of the BBC website that have never changed, like
Speaker 1: they're still this this ancient web design and it's pretty
Speaker 1: awesome because you feel like you're actually going back in
Speaker 1: time when you look at these. So anyway, this involved
Speaker 1: this guy, Dr John Dehan of California Criminalistic Institute, and uh,
Speaker 1: they did what anyone would do when testing out the
Speaker 1: wick theory. They took a they used to pig in
Speaker 1: a blanket, by which I don't mean a tasty hot
Speaker 1: dog or vegan hot dog wrapped in some literal literally
Speaker 1: a pig in a blank literally, it was a dead
Speaker 1: pig and a blanket. Yeah, why did why did they
Speaker 1: used to pick? Because I thought this really interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean they obviously it's something that's much more ethical than
Speaker 1: using human right, right, right. That was the number one
Speaker 1: that they couldn't get the okay from the BBC to
Speaker 1: burn any actual people. But also I believe it has
Speaker 1: to do with like the the amount of fatah to human. Yeah, coomfortable.
Speaker 1: You know the human that catches on fire and here's
Speaker 1: a pig more or less. Um. So they wrapped this
Speaker 1: dead pig in a blanket and then a small amount
Speaker 1: of petrol was poured on gasoline and uh, after five
Speaker 1: hours of continuous burning, they found that the bones were
Speaker 1: in fact destroyed. And Dr Dehannon said, the sort of
Speaker 1: damage here is exactly the same as that from supposed
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combust. Okay. So so just like the candle,
Speaker 1: like a tallow or candlewax, it allowed the burning to
Speaker 1: happen in distant way over consistently slowly. But you know,
Speaker 1: not in a way it's going to burn the rest
Speaker 1: of the house down, Not in a way that's going
Speaker 1: to necessarily gather a lot of attention. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it also explains why only part of the body, the
Speaker 1: part that you're rich and fat, burns away, one of
Speaker 1: the rest stays intact. Yeah all right, So what what
Speaker 1: do all of these cases have in common? Well, they
Speaker 1: all know each other, they did not, and they were
Speaker 1: not all huge drinkers. Right that the special human oil
Speaker 1: theory exactly exactly. Um. The victim is almost always completely consumed,
Speaker 1: usually inside his or her home. Okay, so it usually
Speaker 1: happens since someone's home. A sweet smoky smell usually accompanies
Speaker 1: the incident. It's like like barbecue. Yes, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a little distasteful, but yes, like barbecue. Um. And then
Speaker 1: the extremities often stay in intact, which we've talked about.
Speaker 1: So the head and torso maybe completely charred, but the hands, feet,
Speaker 1: and legs are left unburned. And that's what you see
Speaker 1: in on some of those iconic photos, you know, someone's
Speaker 1: shoes with smoke coming out of them. Um. There are
Speaker 1: no other signs of fire in the room other than
Speaker 1: a greasy residue sometimes left on fronture and walls. Okay,
Speaker 1: and not all spontaneous human combustion victims simply burst into flames,
Speaker 1: some developed strange burns on their body which have no
Speaker 1: obvious source, or they emanate smoke from their body when
Speaker 1: no fire is actually present. Should be a little bit
Speaker 1: weird to look down in your arm and see, you know,
Speaker 1: smoke curling up right. Um. So that's what they all
Speaker 1: share in common, and that is why it has been
Speaker 1: such a interesting subject for a lot of people, because
Speaker 1: that's very those are weird things, right. But I do
Speaker 1: think that the wig theory in the pig in the
Speaker 1: blanket experiments actually helped to support that. Uh. And it's
Speaker 1: also key to note here that that that the throwing
Speaker 1: them with this pig in the blanket idea is the
Speaker 1: is the notion that it's probably not spontaneous. But the
Speaker 1: spontaneous is just sort of I mean, it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what the causes, so must be magic
Speaker 1: kind of a deal, where in reality, there are a
Speaker 1: number of things in any given household that could potentially
Speaker 1: set something upon. Right at issue here the heart of
Speaker 1: them out it really is is it coming from an
Speaker 1: external source or is it coming from an internal source?
Speaker 1: And obviously is we've kind of discussed um, you know today,
Speaker 1: it's not coming from inside. There's no pyrotron. Really, that's
Speaker 1: igniting us. Um. Many of the cases have had victims
Speaker 1: who were smoking, and a good amount of them have
Speaker 1: been had been drinking as well, So it stands to
Speaker 1: reason that they fell asleep while smoking, the embers fell
Speaker 1: on them, ignited their clothes, and then poof, they become
Speaker 1: a human candle. Um. So you know, that's not all
Speaker 1: of them explained away in such a neat fashion, but
Speaker 1: a good many of them share that sort of common right,
Speaker 1: and the individual is elderly, as a number of cases are.
Speaker 1: I mean, you confirm or infirm in some way. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can easily you can more easily imagine that happening
Speaker 1: where they they're smoking or whatever, they catch the thills
Speaker 1: on fire and stop dropping roll was not necessarily is
Speaker 1: easily achieved. Yeah, So I mean, you know, you can
Speaker 1: you can see when you lay it out that way,
Speaker 1: you can see that it's pretty obvious that it probably
Speaker 1: is coming from an external source. And even in the
Speaker 1: case of the man, the seventy six year old man
Speaker 1: who had a fire in the next room but no
Speaker 1: fire source where he was sitting and where he died,
Speaker 1: it's very possible that he could have gotten up, stoked
Speaker 1: the fire and somehow ignited a piece of his clothing
Speaker 1: without even knowing sat back down. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit hard to explain any of
Speaker 1: these away, but um, to me, it seems a little
Speaker 1: bit more at least practical to to look at it
Speaker 1: more as an external phenomenon. And I just keep coming
Speaker 1: back to that, right, it's got to be some sort
Speaker 1: of external thing. And in fact, we recently circulated in
Speaker 1: the office something called an I A which is our
Speaker 1: initial approach for when we try to tackle a subject.
Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, I'm writing an article about such and such.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm thinking. Do you guys have any other tidbits? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pile it on. And so I know I'm sharing the
Speaker 1: secret sauce here of what we do. But um, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you because one of the things that went
Speaker 1: out one of the I A s was Hey, what
Speaker 1: were some of the craziest headlines of because we're gonna
Speaker 1: do some sort of round up article about that. And
Speaker 1: one of them that made the list or actually I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's made the list, but was put
Speaker 1: out there was woman's face ignites during UH standard procedure,
Speaker 1: standard operating um procedure that she was having. I think
Speaker 1: she was having maybe some moles removed or something. So
Speaker 1: what happens basically because they're using so many instruments in
Speaker 1: the operating room now that have you know, electricity that
Speaker 1: they were you know, sometimes you know, something ignites. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: was this woman's face. And um, it's pretty awful to
Speaker 1: have to go into for something like that and come
Speaker 1: out pretty burned. But again, here's another case where fire happens,
Speaker 1: and you usually have to have a source for the
Speaker 1: ignition right right like like like the boss said, so
Speaker 1: here you go, there you can. Well, hey, speaking of
Speaker 1: spontaneous combustion, I think I see the robot coming over
Speaker 1: here with a smoking piece of listener mail. Hello Arnold.
Speaker 1: All right, So here we hear from the Jim and
Speaker 1: Jim rites and it says, I just finished your fire podcast.
Speaker 1: So he's talking about the Pyromania podcast that came out
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He says, I don't have
Speaker 1: any feelings about fired that are beyond what I would
Speaker 1: consider it the norm. My most frequent interaction was fired
Speaker 1: with us as a boy scout, which Robert mentioned too,
Speaker 1: there was something very alluring about it. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: the flame itself, but our ability to master it through
Speaker 1: the crep work in gathering materials, building the fire, lighting it,
Speaker 1: and finally putting it out. It was always a goal
Speaker 1: to build a fire without using newspapers or other fast starters.
Speaker 1: We were even successful with non match techniques such as
Speaker 1: steel matches. I've never tried tried the bow or other
Speaker 1: pre match techniques, which, of course the once you see
Speaker 1: in all the movies where they're the little bow, the
Speaker 1: twine um, which I hear are very challenging. By the way,
Speaker 1: we never pete on the fire. It really stinks up
Speaker 1: the place. Um which, as we mentioned before, the alchemists
Speaker 1: know the smell. We used to know the smell urine
Speaker 1: as they were trying to turn into go after scouts.
Speaker 1: I didn't have much direct contact with fire. A few
Speaker 1: years ago my son tried scouting to one of the
Speaker 1: first skills the boys learned his fire safety control. Would
Speaker 1: build a few fires, and the sight, sounds, and smell
Speaker 1: of a wooden camp fire brought back all kinds of memories. Um,
Speaker 1: you didn't mention fire in Frankenstein. I only mentioned it
Speaker 1: because I caught part of Young Frankenstein on cable this weekend,
Speaker 1: and of course in the films, Frankenstein is a grade
Speaker 1: of fire. Um. Yeah, I mean, I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the really cool things about something like like bus Scouts. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that he gets kids, even kids that are
Speaker 1: um and maybe part of a more urban environment, gets
Speaker 1: them out there with fire. Sure, playing with it, there's
Speaker 1: a certain amount of playing with fire is inevitable, uh
Speaker 1: in that situation, But you're also learning the basic control
Speaker 1: of it and how to use it responsibly and indeed
Speaker 1: some techniques just to start it beyond maryly A, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, throwing some fire on some ladder fluid. Indeed,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's exactly what I was trying to do
Speaker 1: when I was burning ants with magnifying you Just if
Speaker 1: if you've been in Scouts, then how many aunt lives
Speaker 1: would have been saying to tell us? So, Hey, if
Speaker 1: you have anything you would like to share with us,
Speaker 1: be it your own history with fire, your own if
Speaker 1: you if you have any personal experience with Spottany's human combustion,
Speaker 1: do tell we would love to hear about that. Or
Speaker 1: if we left out any of hair brained theories. You
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