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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huttle on giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Mobile, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to our little mid season report here on the Giant

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Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast John Schmulk joined by Carl Banks. You can

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Speaker 1: find The Giant Subtle Podcast at giants dot com, Slash

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Speaker 1: Podcast at johntsmull Black, and your favorite podcast platforms. All right, Carl,

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Speaker 1: let's start here with the defense. They've really played good

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Speaker 1: have you think have allowed them to have that type

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Speaker 1: of turnaround. I think their their coverage configurations have been

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Speaker 1: really good for UM, protecting some of their vulnerabilities, and um,

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Speaker 1: just just cohesiveness, lack of mistakes, not turning guys loose.

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Speaker 1: So no big plays the last few weeks, right, And

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Speaker 1: so there's two things to that. One by coverage they

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Speaker 1: legislate against certain things in two by coverage where guys

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Speaker 1: are playing really well. And the emergence of Xavier McKinney.

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Speaker 1: You can really see he has a great feel for

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Speaker 1: really take command. There seems to be a narrative out

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Speaker 1: there that, oh, they've simplified things and that's why things

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Speaker 1: are going better. I'll be honest with the car I

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Speaker 1: watch it. I don't think it's simpler. I just think

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Speaker 1: guys are executing their assignments better and they've really settled in,

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Speaker 1: at least in the last couple of games against Kansas

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Speaker 1: City and in Las Vegas at playing that ben but

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Speaker 1: don't break defense where they're just not gonna let you

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Speaker 1: get beat over the top and they're gonna let you

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Speaker 1: dink and dunk all you want, but then they hold

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Speaker 1: firm at the end. Well, you know, being simple is

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Speaker 1: not a bad thing either. Um. You know, if they

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Speaker 1: played cover two and Cover three the whole game and

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Speaker 1: they were all able to do it, well, then you

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Speaker 1: know no one's gonna complain about that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you can be over overly complex, which I thought they

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Speaker 1: overthought some things in the Washington game in particular that

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Speaker 1: it's simplifying it meaning uh, putting guys in the best defense, um,

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Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing. And I think everyone's playing

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Speaker 1: on the same page. They're playing at a very high level.

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Speaker 1: No complaints. What's the key to playing really good red

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Speaker 1: zone defense, because that's one thing that's really I think

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Speaker 1: stuck out the last few weeks. They've kept the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: at a very high rate, which is why they've been

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Speaker 1: able to win or be in all three of those games. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's number one, it's a shorter field for teams to

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Speaker 1: have to work with, so uh deciphering the crossing routes.

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Speaker 1: That's where you know pick routes down there is what

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Speaker 1: guys you find wide open, so you defend the pylons

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Speaker 1: and you defend the back of the end zone. Other

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Speaker 1: than that, it's just making sure that the pick and

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Speaker 1: rub routes don't set a guy free, and then having

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Speaker 1: good pressure. You gotta have consistent pressure on the quarterback

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Speaker 1: so that he cannot the ball has to come out quick.

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Speaker 1: If they can look around, chances are they'll find a

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Speaker 1: What have you seen that you've liked and not liked

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Speaker 1: about that pass rush the last few weeks. Listen, Um,

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Speaker 1: what I don't like is that they're not all healthy.

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Speaker 1: You know what I do like is that they continue,

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Speaker 1: they don't get discouraged. They continue to do um some

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Speaker 1: things that apply pressure. Not necessarily a lot of hits though.

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Speaker 1: Um the hits on quarterback I don't think are being

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Speaker 1: but the outside rushers, uh, they're gonna have to ratchet

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Speaker 1: And then the third down defense, Carl has been better too.

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Speaker 1: They're just getting off the field and we've seen them

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Speaker 1: not giving up those big plays over the top. Well,

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Speaker 1: the job Brochet has done since you've gotten here, Ah,

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Speaker 1: Let's jump to the offensive side of the ball, Carl.

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Speaker 1: I think some fans and I'm sure you go through

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Speaker 1: which says you gotta banged up offensive line, patchwork offensive line,

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Speaker 1: You may see some threes or some short fives, getting

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones been more than adequate. Ah, He's shown some

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Speaker 1: in crucial moments. I like what I'm saying, alright. Final question, Carl,

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