1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Ketty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Katty and He Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: I miss when my kids were younger in Saint Patrick's 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: Day was a big deal and they'd wake up in 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: the morning and a leprechaun had snuck into our home 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: and your native green in the toilet and left a 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: trail of glitter. 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: Behind for some reason. 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure what went on there, but they 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: loved it. It was really, really fun. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: We had leprechaun traps, which is cruel, yes, and really brutal. Yes, 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: they'll always get away. They would always get away. They 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: would take the gold chocolate coins and get away, the 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: clever little bastards. We caught one once. He still works 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: for us. I work it the green. Did you read 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: about that? You an official who's just prosecuted for slavery? No, yeah, 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: later on in the show or in the hour. We 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: don't have time now, but yeah, but the green urine 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: was a real Armstrong innovation. 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: We did not do that at my house. 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: We heard it from some babysitter or whatever. But yeah, 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: he got that glitter like in footprints somehow, and disgusting 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: all the way around. But anyway, happy to see Patrick's day. 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: Oh I should keep moving, but me incontinence is bothering me. 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just stop and relieve myself. Oh boy. 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: So this is one of the most fascinating things I've 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: read in the last several years. It is shockingly from 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: the Atlantic, which is just suffocatingly lefty these days. It 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: was written by a fellow by the name of Yannie 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: apple Bomb why Americans stopped moving houses and why that's 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: a very big problem. Actually Yannie might be a woman. 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably is. But the subtitle of it 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: is how Progressives Froze the American Dream, And I was 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: surprised to see that on the cover, but I dove in. 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you with parts of it. Jack comment 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: like as much as you like, obviously. So the lead 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: is the idea that people should be able to choose 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: their own communities instead of being stuck where they are born. 40 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: Is a distinctly American innovation. It is the foundation for 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: the country's prosperity and democracy, and it just may be 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: America's most profound contribution. 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: To the world. I have been saying this for years. 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: You have in California, the Midwest, all kinds of places 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I've lived, was settled by people who thought they could 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: get a better deal here. No society has ever been 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: as mobile as the United States once was. No society 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: has even come close. In the nineteenth century, friends, the 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,559 Speaker 1: heyday of American mobility. Roughly a third of all Americans 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: changed addresses each year. 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Wow a third each year. 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: They quote a couple of commentators of the day, the 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: American is devoured with a passion for locomotions. 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: At one French, he cannot stay in one place. 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Americans moved far more often, over longer distances, and to 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: greater advantage than did people in the lands from which 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: they had come. They described how in Europe that you 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: just you stayed on the land, you stayed in the town. 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: People were very suspicious of outsiders. 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: We'll get to that. 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: But over the past fifty years, this engine of American 62 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: opportunity has stopped working. Americans become less likely to move 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: from one state to another, to move within a state, 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: or even to switch residences within a city. In the 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, now remember it was about one in three 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds. The nineteen sixties, about one out 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: of every five Americans moved in any given year, down 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: from a one in three in the nineteenth century, but 69 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: a frenetic rate nonetheless, so one in five in the 70 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. In twenty twenty three, only one in thirteen 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: Americans moved. That's unbelievable, the sharp decline in geog You 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: go ahead, sorry. Joe and I both moved a lot 73 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: for our radio career, and I don't think it's shocking 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: to say the success of this project. 75 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: Depended on it. 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: Wouldn't it have never happened without the willingness to like 77 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: move to that town, than to that town, to then 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: that town for opportunity. 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: And probably it's a good time for a disclaimer. We 80 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: both were also raised by people who saw their fortune 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: in various ways and moved as necessary for career. My 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: dad was in the military for a while and then 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: in the publishing industry, and we moved to fair Mounta 84 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: until we finally settled in Chicagoland. But so we we 85 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: can feel and appreciate that side of the argument, not 86 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: that it's an argument for see somebody who's lived, you know, hometown, 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: Mom and dad and the cousins are always around, you 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: have giant Sunday dinners together on that sort of thing. Yeah, 89 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: I get a tear in my eye thinking about how 90 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: wonderful that would be. But like I've said many times, 91 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: everything has a cast and a benefit. You just have 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: to decide, you know what's for you anyway. Reading on 93 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: from Applebaum's piece, the sharp decline in geographic mobility is 94 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: the single most important social change in the past half century, 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: although other shifts have attracted far more attention. In that 96 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: same span, fewer Americans have started new businesses and fewer 97 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Americans have switched jobs. From nineteen eighty five to twenty fourteen, 98 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: the share of people who have become entrepreneurs fell by half. 99 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: Wow, that is seriously troubling. 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: And then he gets into more Americans end up worse 101 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: off than their parents. I think part of that is 102 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: coming down from the high of the post WW two 103 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: American dominance that was just going to be hard to avoid. 104 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: But then he gets into how church membership is down 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: by a third since nineteen seventy, as is the share 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: Americans who socialized several times a week. Membership in any 107 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of group is half down by half. 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the earth rates keep falling. 109 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: One interesting aspect of the not being tied to your 110 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: local church and not socializing, seems like that would make 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: you more mobile as opposed to less mobile. If you're 112 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: socializing and have a social network, that would be hard 113 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: to leave behind. If you don't socialize, what the hell 114 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: do you care? Go to the next down? They got 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: a better job. 116 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: The other side of that coin is really interesting, and 117 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: we were going to get to that in a bit, 118 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: but I'll skip to it. And I can relate to 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: this because Judy and I relocated four years ago something 120 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: like that, and it makes you more likely to want 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: to go out and meet people. Oh interesting, put up 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: with the discomfort of going to a new church or 123 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: joining a club or you know, just for me, jumping 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: on a tea time that had one opening and introducing 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: myself and meeting people because you want to make connections. 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: And indeed that's what they found sociologically. That's interesting. You know, 127 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: it's kind of counterintuitive. 128 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: It made people more sociable the fact that we moved 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: all the time. And then there's an interesting political aspect 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: to this, and I don't want to get on a 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: partisan thing because that's not what this about. 132 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: This is about. I will just say that people who. 133 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: Felt anger and frustration at their financial situation tended to 134 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: vote more for Trump than Hillary, for instance, But the 135 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: number of those people who lived within a two hour 136 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: drive of where they grew up or had never even 137 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: left their hometown was way more huge. 138 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: It's a huge gap. 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: The number of people who said I'm unhappy with my 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: financial life in my career, they were wildly disproportionately people 141 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: who had not relocated to seek their fortune. 142 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: No, I don't want to make this partisan at all, 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: because I don't think it needs to be. But we 144 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: have been saying on this show for years, you know, 145 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: broadcasting out of California, people talking about how expensive it 146 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: is to live in San Francisco. 147 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: Well, then move some place cheaper. That's what I always did. 148 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: If I couldn't afford to live somewhere, I moved some 149 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: place cheaper, rather than expect the government or somebody to 150 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: come in and make it cheaper so you can stay. 151 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: Why why do. 152 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: Other taxpayers owe you the ability to stay in a 153 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: particular down That's. 154 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: Nuts, right, right, And just you know, you live your 155 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: life the way you see fit, and I will not 156 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: judge you unless you come. 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: With heart at tax money and I'll tell you to 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: your jack. 159 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we were very, very successful our first job 160 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: together in Wichita, but we knew economically speaking, we had 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: topped out and needed to go, you know, seek our 162 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: fortune elsewhere. 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: But a lot of people do that. 164 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: Anyway, this I wanted to get to this part and 165 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: then there's more on the general topic. 166 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: To come and trust me. It's so interesting. 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: You've heard the expression moving day, right, I mean people 168 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: throw it around a little bit. 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: It's funny. 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: It's a term in golf. It's like the midway point 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: of a tournament. You got a chance to move off, 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so I'm familiar with the term 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: in that way. How do we How did I not 174 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: know this? How did all of us not know this? 175 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: The great holiday of America, when it was so nomadic, 176 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: was called Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords throughout 177 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth with a 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: giant game of musical houses. Moving Day, they write, was 179 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: a festival of new hopes and new beginnings, of shattered 180 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: dreams and shattered crockery, quite as recognized today as Christmas. 181 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: Or the fourth of July, wrote a Chicago newspaper in 182 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty two. 183 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: I as much as I read history, have never come 184 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 3: across this. 185 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: I know it's crazy. 186 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: It was primarily an urban thing, although many rural communities 187 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: and suburbans kind of had their own sort, and it varied. 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: It might be April first or October first, but May 189 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: first was by far the most popular. Literally everybody who 190 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: is renting a home, and the vast majority of people rented. 191 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Home ownership was way way lower than it is right now. 192 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: The vast majority of people would move on Moving Day 193 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: every year, or almost every year. Nothing quite so astonished 194 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: visitors from abroad as the spectacle of thousands upon thousands 195 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: of people picking up and swapping homes in a single day. 196 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: For months before moving day, Americans prepared for the occasion. 197 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: Tenants gave notice to the landlords, a received word of 198 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the new rent. Then followed a frenzied period of house hunting, 199 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: as people, generally women, scouted for a new place to 200 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: live that would in some respect improve upon the old quote. 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: They want more room, or they want as much room 202 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: for less rent, or they want a better location, or 203 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: they want some convenience not heretofore enjoyed. The Topeka Daily 204 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: Capital summarized, these were months of general anticipation. Cities and 205 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: towns were alive with excitement. So if you've ever seen 206 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: one of those street scenes from back in the day 207 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: where everybody's got like their junk piled on wagons, that 208 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: was moving day. 209 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: And the point of putting that in the article, obviously 210 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: is to just point out that the cultural attitude about 211 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: moving was so much different. And as we've said, every 212 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: part of this country, people coming out west, starting in 213 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: the very very eastern part of the country, and the 214 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: colonies and spreading. Do you know when when the wild 215 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: West was Ohio and Kentucky and then going further and 216 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: further for a better opportunity. And now, not to be 217 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: too disparaging of various industries and people, because I understand, 218 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: like Joe said, I fully understand why it'd be awesome 219 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: to stay in your hometown where you grow up and 220 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: have your kids go to the same school and you 221 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: know all your family and friends. I god, I would 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: love that. But the idea that coal mining goes away 223 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: and you're gonna stay in the same dead town that's 224 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,359 Speaker 3: never gonna. 225 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Come back is nuts. 226 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nuts in terms of the history of this country, 227 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: or you know, working for General Motors in whatever town 228 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: in Michigan or whatever. 229 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: If something's gone away, then you gotta move to a 230 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: different town where the new industry is. That's what everybody 231 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: has done forever in this country. And yeah, pointing out 232 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: that that's gone away, and now we're like Europe, where 233 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: you do plan to stay in the town your family 234 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: is from for generations, which again I understand the appeal. 235 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. 236 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: One charming anecdote from this which I can't find, but 237 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: I can paragraph a paraphrase. They mentioned that in Europe, indeed, 238 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: you stay in the same place, very insulur, and that 239 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: newcomers would simply cause a more subdivision of the goods 240 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: and services and land available there. So newcomers were like 241 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: a bad thing, whereas in America it was such a 242 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: constant that the idea of a stranger went from a 243 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: threat to literally Americans would say, hello, stranger, you're not 244 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: from around here, are you? And it was not a 245 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: term of suspicion, it was a term of greeting. That's 246 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: really interesting, and I don't think good for the country. 247 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: You have any comment on that, text line four one, five, 248 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: two nine five KFTC. Welcome to some new listeners on 249 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: some new stations in Phoenix Field, Santa Maria, Las Vegas, 250 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Cape May, New Jersey. Five news stations starting today. Welcome 251 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: to the Armstrong and Getty Show. If you don't like. 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: It, hang around longer. Maybe it, you know, grows on 253 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: you like a fungus or something. It's a little different. Yeah, 254 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: we got this sex supposed to be. It's not purpose. 255 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: We got this text since it's Saint Patrick's Day. What 256 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: were your old on air names on Saint Patrick's Day? 257 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: We were patio furniture, and then what was the other one? 258 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: Patio furniture and Pat mcgroin. Pat mcgro was not in 259 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: good taste at all, and I disapproved. Now you need 260 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: to jump out of the heros. No time for fun. 261 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: I have scholarly studies of American moving patterns to finish. 262 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: Ashually. 263 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: We'll never finish because like everything in the Atlantic, this 264 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: is forty thousand words long. But it's so interesting if 265 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: you're just tuning in and grabbed the previous segment via 266 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: podcast Armstrong and getting on demand. But so, who's to 267 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: blame for the change in American life that we used 268 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: to move all the time and pursue our fortune, just 269 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: everybody did all the time, except for you, like your 270 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: old money Easterners. Well, interestingly, you can name I'm sorry, 271 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: you can blame a woman named Jane Jacobs who was 272 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: a writer and thinker in the twentieth century, And in 273 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one she wrote a book called The Death 274 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: and Life of Great American Cities. And ironically, she and 275 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: her husband had bought a place in the West Village 276 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: in New York and changed a storefront and apartment into 277 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: a big house, and so she wrote this incredibly eloquent 278 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: book that was a huge hit about how cool cities were, 279 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: how the a shop was right there on the corner 280 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: and they would be delivering laundry, and people would stop 281 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: on the street corners. 282 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: And they were just very alive. 283 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: And she didn't realize that the reason they were really 284 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: alive is that cities were constantly reinventing themselves to deal 285 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: with whatever the needs were of the humans at that time. 286 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: Like if you had huge quote unquote tenements, remember we 287 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: heard how terrible tenements are. Well, those that was cheap 288 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: housing for recent immigrants, and people would sink their roots 289 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: in America, get their job skills up, get a better job, 290 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: and leave the tenements, and new immigrants would come into them. 291 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: But so she fell in love with a particular moment 292 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: of time in New York, and ignoring really her own premise, 293 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: she and her neighbors, who are college educated, really smart people, 294 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: figured out, Hey, we can badger and lobby city hall 295 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: so that nothing can ever change these neighborhoods that we 296 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: think are so great just the way they are, And 297 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: nimbiism was born, and was then and is now mostly 298 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: progressive people with money saying nothing can change because I 299 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: like it the way it is, And then the writer 300 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: of this piece gets into solutions for it. But it 301 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: has a great deal to do with falling out of 302 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: love with stability in cities and urban areas in particular, 303 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and falling out of love with bureaucrats deciding how everything 304 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: should look and coming up with master plans, because the 305 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: free market of people coming and going and moving and 306 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: buying and selling and renting it moves far, far too quickly, 307 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: especially these days. 308 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: If you didn't hear those stats, Joe had last segment 309 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: about how much it has changed in a century or 310 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: less of people being willing to move to seek their fortune. 311 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: It's shocking. I mean, so that's got to have huge 312 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: ramifications to you know, if you're worried about inequality or 313 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: inequity or whatever you want to call it, If you're 314 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: going to stay in some town where the industry died 315 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: and you're gonna stay there anyway, you ain't gonna do well. 316 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: Right, Right, It's amazing to me people can't see that, 317 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: or they don't care, and or we've designed a system 318 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: where they can they just get on welfare or disability 319 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: is a right, huge aspect of this, right. 320 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: And if politicians would stop going to those towns and 321 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: saying we're gonna bring back the coal industry and that 322 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: sort of thing, that would help, right Armstrong. 323 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: And Geddy, I would start pushing time running down densely. 324 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: Hot the war missed it, rebound, startamire, Arizona's. 325 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: Got a chance, starta buyer, no check down the seven 326 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: seconds you'd see the time Wittenberg, the that was the 327 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: young time backson Co. Yeah, you're way back to that one, Hanson. 328 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: That was awesome. 329 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: When North Carolina State upset Houston way back in the 330 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: day Jesus forty years ago, anyway, March madness getting underway. 331 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: Brackets came out yesterday, and if you're if anybody's betting 332 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: in the office, I will be calling the FBI. 333 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: And I do not put up with a legal gambling. 334 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: So we didn't talk government shut down last week because 335 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 3: we like having listeners and we've had the experience of 336 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: they never amount to anything. Most of the time they 337 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: get settled before the deadline, and even if they don't, 338 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: whatever last a couple hours or a day or whatever. 339 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Anyway, the Beltway is. 340 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: Like a big high school and the shutdown wrangling is 341 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: almost always like high school gossip gets settled one way 342 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: or another, and yeah, you're right, But the interesting is 343 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: no one's life significantly. 344 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: The interesting one on this is that it really revealed 345 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: the problems the Democratic Party has. 346 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: We mentioned earlier. 347 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: The NBC poll that came out had Trump at the 348 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: highest approval rating he's ever had in the NBC poll, 349 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: while the Democratic Party has got the lowest approval rating 350 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: it has ever had in polling. And the split was 351 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: evident over the weekend because Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader 352 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: of the Democrats in the Senate, came out and said 353 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: we got to vote for this thing now the government 354 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: to be bad, which I think he's right about. But 355 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: I think I think he was on the cright side. 356 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: But the left wing of the party hated it. Anyway. 357 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: Here's a little other reporting from NBC on. 358 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: That divided Senate Democrats advance a Republican spending bill to 359 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: avoid a government shutdown, but spark an intra party battle 360 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: in the process. 361 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: Today was a bad day for the country, and I 362 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: won't sugarcoat it. Today was also a bad day for 363 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: the Democratic Party. In this case, CR stands for complete resignation. 364 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 5: I think there is a deep sense of outrage and betrayal. 365 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: It's an unacceptable, unconsonable, and un American spending bill. 366 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: Is it time for new leadership in the Senate? Next question? 367 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: So it's interesting. 368 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: So Democrats are very, very unpopular, and you had their 369 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: annoying representatives there in Adam Schiff. I met representatives colloquially, 370 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: not like literally, because Adam Shiff is the senator. 371 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: Sure, he's a senator. 372 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: You got Adam Schiff and AOC really unhappy with the 373 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: fact that Democrats went along with it. You to talk 374 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: about not reading the room, right, no kidding, And but 375 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: the big one there at the end. 376 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: That was Joaquem Jefferies. 377 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: He's the leader Democratic leader in the House, and we'll 378 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: be Speaker of the House if the Democrats take it back. 379 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: Ask should there be new leadership in the center and 380 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: in the Senate? Should they get rid of Schumer? And 381 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: he said, next question, leadership criticizing each other in the same. 382 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: Party is not common. Is that the way you took that? 383 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: That's the way I took it. Yeah, you didn't. 384 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: Take it right. 385 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It could also mean that's a 386 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: stupid question. 387 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: Next question, Oh, interesting, And certainly the way they presented 388 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: it on mainstream media, which leans left, it was him 389 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: being unhappy. That's why they put it in there with 390 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: the other clips. This is what more reasonable. John Fetterman said, 391 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: what leverage do we have? 392 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: Democrats keep showing up at every night fight with a kesserole. 393 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: Whatever that means. 394 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: So, but John Fetterman, along with Chuck Schumer, just closer 395 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: to mainstream Democrats who understand where their leverage is, or 396 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: where America is or whatever the idea of shutting down 397 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: the government. Chuck Schumer actually made the argument, we don't 398 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: have the clip. I guess, but Chuck Schumer got up 399 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: there and said, look, we're all we're gonna do is 400 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: empowered Doge. If we shut down the government and put 401 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of government workers out of work, we're 402 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: kind of just like boostering Doge, which we claim were against, 403 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: which I think he's right politically. 404 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, Hey, Katie, help me with this. What 405 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: if you showed up to the knife fight with like 406 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: a scalding. 407 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: Hot cast arrived, I think, well, and. 408 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: Like jammed it in somebody's face because they think you 409 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: are going to serve them food. 410 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm picturing a knife fight, which is weird. 411 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: I would I rather have another knife so I get 412 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: in a fight with somebody they got a knife. Would 413 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: I rather have a knife myself or a hot cast 414 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: rolen't know. 415 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: Try to stab somebody with hot cast role all over 416 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: your face. It's probably hard. 417 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: Well, right, you got it in your eyes and everything 418 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I see. I think Fetterman may be too hasty in 419 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: his criticisms. Anyway, back to you, Umm, let's hear another 420 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: One'll go ahead. I was just going to say it 421 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: is yet another example, and there's quite a list growing 422 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: up of any moderate Democrat who says, hey, folks, were 423 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: off track. 424 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: We got to come back over here. 425 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Just getting a hell kicked out of them. But you 426 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: know the ever loud progressive wing. 427 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 3: Here's former R and C chairman Wright's prebus in his 428 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: reading of the current Democratic Party. 429 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 4: Well, the Democrats have had two horrific weeks. They've got 430 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 4: no leader, they've got no movement. The only thing I 431 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: have got is Trump the derangement syndrome. It's the only 432 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: thing that brings them together. And the only thing they 433 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: got out of this week was well, who's going to primary? 434 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer? What are we all about? AOC and Bernie 435 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: Sanders are the only people in their entire party that 436 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 4: can get a crowd of over twenty to show up. 437 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 4: So the only thing they are, I mean, they're afraid 438 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: of Trump. Trump owns them. And it was a total 439 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 4: slam dunk for the Republican Party. 440 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. 441 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: Well until somebody emerges. That is the problem that if 442 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: I were a Democrat, I'd want somebody to emerge who's 443 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: closer to the center. 444 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: Right. 445 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's an interesting conundrum they're in, though, because his 446 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: previous puts it so charmingly. The only people who can 447 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: get more than twenty people to show up, or a 448 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: couple of socialist crackpots, one as old as the hills 449 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: and the other one quite attractive but doesn't have two 450 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: thoughts to ro up together. And so if you're on 451 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the energized Vocal fundraising Instagram follower left of the left, 452 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: you're thinking, wait a minute, you're telling me to defer 453 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: to these these people in the center. 454 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: They're nobody's they've got no energy. 455 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Republicans are going to win until the 456 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: Democratic Party understands, finally, completely understands that Twitter is not 457 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: real life and they're. 458 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: Not there yet. 459 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: And it's just it's absolutely amazing to me. I was 460 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: listening to the National Review podcast over the weekend and 461 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: they were making the point of. 462 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: How Trump sucks. 463 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: So many of these you know, vocal get so much 464 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: attention activists into doing what he wants them to do. 465 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: So the Trump administration arresting that Columbia student, whether that's 466 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: legal or illegal, or right or wrong free speech wise, 467 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: you got your the AOC crowd trying to raise this 468 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: guy up like he's some sort of hero, and that 469 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: ain't gonna. 470 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: Work with more most of the country style. 471 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got most of the Country saying he 472 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: ain't no hero to me, sounds like he's Prohomas. 473 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: So once again the Democrats just taking the bait. 474 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: And one more thought a frequent correspondent, Paolo Rights and 475 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: if you have want to drop us an email, feel 476 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: free mail bag at Armstrong and getty dot com. It's 477 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: a number of examples of what I was talking about before, 478 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: how the left, part of the left is just kicking 479 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: the hell out of anybody who tries to be even 480 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: moderately moderate, and it's He quotes Michelle Goldberg, who's just 481 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: a wildly left columnist for the New York Times and obnoxious. 482 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: But it has the columns about Gavin Newsom saying, yeah, 483 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: dudes in women's sports is not cool, it's unfair, And 484 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Charlie Kirk. 485 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: You all heard about that, I'm sure, on that podcast 486 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: a while back. 487 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: But then she says it was especially he'll advise for 488 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Newsom to roll out as pivot on trans women in sports, 489 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: it's dudes. In a conversation with Kirk, a man once 490 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: described trans people as blah blah blah. As a matter 491 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: of both political expediency and simple honesty, Democrats should be 492 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: able to acknowledge that it's unfair to expect elite female 493 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: athletes to compete against trans women who've gone through male puberty. Okay, wow, 494 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate hearing that from Michelle Goldberg. 495 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: But here's where it gets interesting. 496 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: But at the time when the Trump administration is single 497 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: trans people out for persecution, what now? 498 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: Right? That's why Rose moved to Ireland. 499 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Partially, Democrats need to couple the recognition of physical difference 500 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: with a broader defense of trans rights. And as Powell 501 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: points out, she's saying Trump is so horrible, we mustn't 502 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: agree with him even when he's right, and we should 503 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: continue letting men beat up on women, on the girls 504 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: on the sports field, lest we agree with Trump on 505 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: anything that is Trump derangement Sentrome. Right. 506 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: Well, I think Gavin Newsom recognizes that the John Fetterman 507 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 3: Bill Maher party could win elections. The AOC Elizabeth Warren 508 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders party cannot. 509 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: Right, in spite of their energy and fundraising ability and 510 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 2: the rest of it. 511 00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, ad a, uh got to do a cherish I 512 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 3: guess it doesn't have to be father. 513 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: I was going to say father tradition, but I suppose 514 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: moms do it too. 515 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: Working on teaching my son to drive as he turned 516 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 3: fifteen a couple of weeks ago, and at fifteen and 517 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 3: a half. Go at fifteen and a half you can 518 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 3: start driving. So we were out driving around on County 519 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: Road yesterday, which I'm sure is highly illegal. But a story, 520 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 3: like all. 521 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: Stories told on the Armstrong e Getty Show, is entirely fictional. 522 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: I don't even have kids, but he was out driving around. 523 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: But I gotta I gotta come up with a reasonable 524 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: vehicle for him to drive. We don't. 525 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: I don't own anything that's like a regular car, so 526 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 3: it's not going to do any good to learn how 527 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: to drive like ridiculous Tesla's because Elon doesn't like various things. 528 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: There's no turn signal stick, for instance, so you don't 529 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: learn how to do that, and I don't know if 530 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: what happens to you just. 531 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: Turn the wheel in the signal. 532 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 3: There's a button you press, which is very unhandy. I 533 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: much rather have the stick. Yeah, it's annoying. Don't mess 534 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: with stuff that works. 535 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I. 536 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: Know Elon, but anyway, but he's really really excited about it. 537 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: And you know, as you do, as most people do, 538 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I can still remember. 539 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: Drivers in and learning to drive myself. It's just I 540 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if it's. 541 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: The freedom or the fact that you're you know, in 542 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: control of a big, giant machine, or it makes you 543 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: feel like an adult. 544 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: But I mean, it's just intoxicating or what's for me? 545 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: Well, right, And I'm not the least bit surprised by 546 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: this because we're talking about your kid. But I think 547 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: it's notable that your kid likes girls, wants to date them, 548 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: and wants a driver's license, because that is. 549 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 2: Far from universal. 550 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, in the modern day, nobody couples and kids 551 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: don't bother getting their license until years later. 552 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: If I don't, I don't think I've done anything culturally 553 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: in my home. 554 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. But he's had a couple of girlfriends 555 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: and he can't wait to drive. 556 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: So well, you're at least way for toward the free 557 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: range parents ideal than a lot of folks are these days. 558 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: But do you think those two things are very tied 559 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: very closely? 560 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you think those are tied together. 561 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: Yes, it's a love of adventure, tolerance for risk, all 562 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. You've let him make mistakes and 563 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, get lost and find his way, find himself back. 564 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: Yes, Michael, I just remember scaring the hell out of 565 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: my dad the first couple of times I went by 566 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: the way. 567 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: Well, it depends what you're driving. I learned to drive 568 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: in my parents station wagging. I was trying to tell 569 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: my son this, that one when I was fourteen, which 570 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: is when you learned to drive. I was like four 571 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: foot eleven for one thing, and they didn't You didn't 572 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: have seats you could raise up back then. So I'm 573 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: sitting down low and I can see nothing but a giant, 574 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: giant hood. Had no idea where I was on the road, 575 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: just wow, hood and sky was all I could see. 576 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: I need a phone book for you to sit down. Oh, 577 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: how emasculating? Is that? 578 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: The phone book the booster seat of the sixties and seventies. 579 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 580 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: Uh, it's insane that I was driving at fourteen or 581 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: anyone was just insane. 582 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: Well, it's insane. Well every parent knows this. It seems 583 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: insane your. 584 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: Sixteen year old is driving because they still seem like 585 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: little kids do It's like what and. 586 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Or idiots not speaking about your kids. 587 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: Certainly, On the other hand, you've got the if I 588 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: have to drive you back and forth to school one 589 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: more time this week, I'm gonna go crazy for band 590 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: or sports or whatever the heck it is. 591 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh, the astronauts are coming home. 592 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: Finally we got a little We got some news on that, 593 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: which is that's because of you on right. 594 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Uh well, yeah, he successfully got to rocket up and 595 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: soon back. 596 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: We hope we bombed the crap out of some people. Also, 597 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: we could give you the update on that, among other things. 598 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: Stay here, Army Strong. 599 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 5: A twenty eight hour journey through space and a reunion 600 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 5: months in the Make It NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and 601 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 5: Sanita Williams and the rest of Crew nine hugged their relief. 602 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 5: It comes after a picture perfect launch Friday night from 603 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 5: the Candid Center in Florida, SpaceX Crew ten climbing through 604 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 5: the skies above a Falcon nine rocket, traveling it over 605 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 5: seventeen thousand miles per hour to the ISS. Among those 606 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 5: waiting for them Briche and Sunny, the two test pilots 607 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: for Boeing Starliner Or, whose mission aboard the ISS turned 608 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 5: from ten days to over nine months. But Sonny and 609 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: the rest of Crew nine one step closer to their 610 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 5: return to Earth. 611 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: A ten day space mission that turned into nine months. 612 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: That's something, Well, I don't care if it's a golf 613 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: trip or a fishing trip or a European river cruise. 614 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: If I sign up for ten days and it turns 615 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: into nine months, I'm probably a little annoyed. Yeah, although 616 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: they've been quoted many times as saying, you know what, 617 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: We're sorry, our families have had to adjust, but this 618 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: is fun and interesting for us. 619 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: You know, I believe them. Yeah, I'd be upsides and downsides. 620 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: M Yeah, heck of a deal. Hope they get home, 621 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: though certainly I expect they will. So we were talking about, 622 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, the left kicking anybody, any Democrat who comes 623 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: up is even reasonably moderate, And I found this on 624 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: I just came across this seconds after we and in 625 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: last segment. The feedback from Gaviy Newsom's podcast is disastrous. 626 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: His favorability amongst liberals has declined from forty six percent 627 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: to thirty percent. Republicans, on the other hand, having listened 628 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: to the podcast, overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him 629 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: fake and pandering, and his letter. 630 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: Favorite because he was fake and pandering that might have 631 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: led people to that conclusion. 632 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for that analysis. I agree with it completely. 633 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: His net favorability favorability rating dropped from plus four to 634 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: minus six, a ten point swing in the wrong direction. Wow, 635 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: almost instantaneously. 636 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: First of all, uh, that's got to be an interesting 637 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: warning shot to anybuddy who wants to raise their head 638 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: up as a moderate Democrat out there, get it lopped 639 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: off by the woke side. Apparently, he also might have 640 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: the problem. He might be like a Hillary Clinton, where 641 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: the more people are exposed to him, the more they 642 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: don't like him. 643 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: Just yes for some reason, yes, well yes, not like yes. 644 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: Right, And like a variety of Republican governors who I 645 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: liked very much through the years who decided to run 646 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: for president, it turned out, especially in a heavily Republican state, 647 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: you felt like they had the chops to run from 648 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: president for president. That's because they never really had to 649 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: show their chops. Gavin Newsom has risen up as a rich, powerful, 650 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: connected guy in a one party state. 651 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: And indeed, you know, as he indicated, the more you 652 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: hear from him, the less you like him. So keep talking. 653 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: Gavy isn't making a bracket anywhere Michael. 654 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: I'll bet our boss does. I'll bet the boss Boss does. Yeah, 655 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: not that I'm aware of, but I would check there 656 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: the Big Boss. Yeah. I'm going to gamble heavily. I'm 657 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: gonna get involved. Fill up the bike. I know. 658 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: I didn't follow hardly at all this year college basketball, 659 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: which probably makes it more likely that I would win 660 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 3: than any other year when I watch lots of games. 661 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, with players switching teams every single year, and lots 662 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: of freshmen playing, and lots of grad students who just 663 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: don't feel like they could make the NBA so they 664 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: just play well into their late twenties. 665 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 3: And plus just in general, the guy at the workplace 666 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: who wears a jersey to work every casual Friday is 667 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 3: usually the guy that doesn't win well. 668 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: And it's more true than ever. 669 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: They're going to be wild upsets every single day this year. 670 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, close your eyes and fill in your bracket. 671 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: So a lot of news stations that joined us today 672 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 3: five News station, Thanks, we appreciate it, Thanks for listening. 673 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 2: Hope you like it. 674 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: Truly do I think you will try to bring you 675 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: the news of the day, what's going on, what's important 676 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: with us? 677 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: No, no traffic on the fives. 678 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: No, I don't care when traffic is but without left 679 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: wing spin, and we try to bring you the truth 680 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: the best we can. Sometimes we call fowls on our 681 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: own side too. You might have to get used to that, 682 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: but that's the way we roll. Man a lot of 683 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: time and temperature checks. 684 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: Oh if you need an umbrella today, If you missed 685 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 3: a segment at the podcast, Armstrong and Getty on demand 686 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty