1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: So my guest for this episode, Well, he's been successful 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: in every business and broadcast that he's taken on. He's 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: also been banned from appearing on CNN and ESPN. When 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: he was at Fox Sports Radio, he hosted the most 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: successful morning show there and now along with my buddy 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, he has been tasked with taking over for 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: the Great Rush Limbaugh. His name is Clade Travis. He 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: is the co host of the Clay Travis and Buck 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. He also founded out Kick. He just sold 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: it to Fox for a lot of money. So you know, 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: he's doing pretty well in the financial department, I'll tell 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: you that much. But before he got into to all 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: the media stuff, he was an attorney. He's written best 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: selling books. I mean, the guy has just done so much. 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: But he's also hilarious. He's incredibly smart, and he's not 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: afraid to take a controversial opinion if that's what he believes. 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a really fun and interesting conversation. 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a whole host of things for him, 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: his media career to the insanity of today's world. I'm 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna ask him because he is also a filthy unvaccinated 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: person like myself. I'm gonna ask him is he lighting 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: up to get his monkey pocks shot soon? Because you 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: know that's the next big thing. We're also going to 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: talk about dudes pretending they're girls and playing in women's sports. 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: How does that change sports? We're gonna talk about all 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: this critical race theory and woke stuff in sports as well. Also, 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden get his take on the most disastrous administration 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe in American history. He's a history buff, so we're 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: going to ask him about that again. Clay Travis the 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: co host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: hugely successful, super interesting. This is going to be a 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: great conversation. Buckle up and I hope you enjoy the ride. 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: So play, I was looking for your bio. How many 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: jobs do you have right now? So I saw you 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: co host the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, which 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: is massive, you know, nationally syndicated all across the country. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: You founded out Kick, Fox, bet Live, Fox News. Am 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: I am I missing anything else? Um? I would probably 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: say the most difficult one is uh dad of three? Um, 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: so three relatively young kids, meaning that you know they're 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: not completely out in the world on their own. No, 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's it. You know. I I've 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: run out kick, which is a website one of the 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: biggest uh you know, sports uh issue websites in the country. Uh. 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Got the biggest radio show in the country, do a 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: lot of hits on Fox News. Fox bet Live is 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: in its fourth year. That's a sports gambling show. I 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: guess I could add, uh. You know, I do travel 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: for college football. I'm on the road for fourteen or 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: fifteen straight weeks for the Fox uh Sports Big Neon 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: Kickoff Show, which is on every Saturday morning, UM on 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the main Fox network affiliate. Uh and uh yeah. So 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: so that there's a lot of different jobs out there. 54 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: I love them, but it means every day sometimes feels 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: like a whirlwind. And then, like I said, at least 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: I've got a fourteen year old, I've got an eleven 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: year old, and I've got a seven year old. Uh. So, 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: for instance, during tomorrow's radio show, I was talking to 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Buck off the air and I'm like, hey, my kids 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: had a half day. They finished school tomorrow, UM, and 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I want to duck out for you know, 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of the radio program to go be able 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: to pick him up at the end of their school year, 64 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of a big deal. So so yeah, 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: balancing guys, I got a seven year old little league 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: championship game tonight. Um, so that's on the horizon tonight. 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: But see, that's awesome that you do that, because you know, 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: my dad was always successful. It worked really hard, but 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: family was always first. And he's never missed anything that 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: was important. Like I played sports scoring up he you know, 71 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: and I did travel league for field hockey and you know, 72 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: lacrosse and all that stuff, and he always he was 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: my coach for basketball, and he never is a single game. 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that probably stands out to 75 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: me with him as my dad than anything else. Have 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: just always being present. So I think that's really cool 77 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: that you make time despite the fact that you know 78 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: you've got all these huge jobs in front of you. Yeah. 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the question is it's great to 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: have success in your career. Um, But ultimately, if your 81 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: kids don't think you're doing a good job as a 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: dad or a mom, I would find it really hard 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: to be that pleased with any kind of success you 84 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: might have in your professional endeavors. So UM. I also 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: just think it kind of puts everything into perspective. I mean, 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: every day I give my opinion on a huge variety 87 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: of subjects. UM. People can agree or disagree with it. 88 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: But I've talked with my wife, was one of the 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: first people to diagnose this, like, I've fortunately never been 90 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: to therapy, and she said, the reason why you don't 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: need therapy is because you get to say exactly what 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: you think for three hours every day and then at 93 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the end of the day like you have no weight 94 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: on your shoulders. And it's why I do think I 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: have kind of the best job in America because I 96 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: feel like there is such and I know you know 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: this to Lisa, a huge percentage of people out there 98 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: that have jobs where they don't feel like they can 99 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: say what they really think. And that's why the number 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: one thing that I hear from people when they come 101 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: up to me what I'm out about, is thank you 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: for saying what you say. I agree with a lot 103 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: of what you say, but I don't feel like I 104 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: can be public in the same way that you are, UM. 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: And that's why I feel like we have such a 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: privilege to be able every single day to share our 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: our opinions on a wide variety of topics that are 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: of most significance in the world. Well, very blessed and 109 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: and and especially increasingly in today's society. As you mentioned, 110 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean, people legitimately could be fired from their jobs 111 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: if if they talk about their actual opinions, especially if 112 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: they're conservatives. So how do you you know your dad? 113 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: How do you explain today's society to your kids? Yeah, 114 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a serious Uh, it's a 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: serious question. Um. And so so first of all, I 116 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: say to my kids, and I think this is a 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: good advice anyway, I mean, judge dad as they get older, 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: based entirely on how I do as a dad, because 119 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: I have kind of a non traditional job and as 120 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: you get older, people are going to say positive or 121 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: negative things about me. But that doesn't really should never 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: impact what you think of me, because my job with 123 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: you is to be a dad and my profession doesn't matter. 124 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: But what I tell my kids is, uh, I want 125 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: you to Uh. There's there's a great piece of advice 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: that that I picked up on and it sounds simple, 127 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: but when I was a kid, one of my idols 128 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: it was Davy Crockett because I'm a big history buff 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: and Davy Crocketts from Tennessee, and I live in Tennessee 130 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: and obviously grew up here, And Davy Crockett's life motto 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: was be sure you're right and then go ahead. Um. 132 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: And by the time I share any opinion publicly, I 133 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: have worked through and I think it helps to have 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: a legal background. All of the different angles of an argument. 135 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I could flip and argue the opposite side as good 136 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: or better than almost anybody who is going to attack 137 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: me for my opinions. Um. And that's because I've thought 138 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: through everything, and I just want my kids to be 139 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: confident enough. And I'll give you a little analogy. Um. 140 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Last year, I guess it was maybe two years ago, 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: my youngest kid, who was in kindergarten at the time, 142 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: was playing baseball for the first time, and they were 143 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: teaching them the basis, and you know, here's first base, 144 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: second base, third base, home plate pictures now like all 145 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the different positions on the field, and the question was 146 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: where is uh where is the pictures mound? And all 147 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: the kids happened to run to home plate, like every 148 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: single kid went to home plate except my son who 149 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: was five and went to the pictures now, uh, And 150 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: I loved that, and I hope it's a metaphor for 151 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: his life as he becomes older. He was confident enough 152 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: that he knew what the pictures mound was, that he 153 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: didn't follow everybody rushing to home plate. And I feel 154 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of our culture, Lisa, is people who 155 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: aren't confident enough in their own opinions that they just 156 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: follow wherever the herd goes. And so I'm trying to 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: teach my boys what I think is one of the 158 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: most important lessons in all of life, which is think 159 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: for yourself and don't spend a lot of time looking 160 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: over your shoulder to see whether or not people are 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: following you. Just make the right decision. And you know 162 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: that that little metaphor of learning the positions on the 163 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: baseball field and being willing to go where everybody else 164 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: was not. You know this, Lisa, A lot of people 165 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: would rather be wrong and be covered by the masses 166 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: than be wrong and be standing out by them selves, 167 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: where you become a target. And I think you have 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: to be comfortable with people calling you out. And certainly 169 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: in my industry, I was like the only person in 170 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: the world of sports who was saying, hey, we can 171 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: play COVID safely. Kids are not gonna die if they 172 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: get to play Little League baseball. Um. It was a 173 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: lot uh safer to be a part of the herd 174 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: who was saying, oh my god, we've got to cancel everything. 175 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: But those people were wrong, um. And I would have 176 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: owned it if my opinion had been wrong. And it 177 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: was a significant thing to argue that, hey, kids need 178 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: to be in school, and kids don't need to be 179 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: wearing masks, and we need to be able to play 180 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: every sport. Um. But I think being confident in my 181 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: own opinion and analyzing all the data and everything else 182 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: was what made me comfortable to stand outside of the herd. Uh, 183 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: like my kid did when he was in you know, 184 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: kindergarten learning all the different positions on the field. No, 185 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: you must have been a proud dad with that. And 186 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: I was very lucky because both my parents taught me 187 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: to be independently minded. My I was an attorney as well, 188 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's sort of that similar 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: mindset that he taught me to sort of game through 190 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: everything and to think for myself and to speak freely. 191 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: So it's very fortunate to have been raised by them, 192 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: as as your parents seemed to be fortunate to have 193 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: been raised by you and teaching them this thinking. But 194 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: you know to your point, Yeah, during COVID, I mean 195 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: we saw such group think. And you know, I kind 196 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: of stuck my neck out there with the vaccines as well, 197 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: because just like you, I was looking through the data. 198 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: A lot of it didn't make sense what we're hearing 199 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: on you know TV. What we were reading did not 200 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: make sense throughout the entirety of COVID. But uh, you 201 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: know even more so with the vaccines, and I saw 202 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: that you are also a filthy unvaccinated person. Are you 203 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: lining up to get Are you lining up to get 204 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: your monkey pocks shot? Anytime soon? I? Um, you know 205 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: this is uh. I I just am so fired up 206 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: about the idea that we've ever required anybody to get 207 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: these COVID shots and cost people their jobs. Um No, 208 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I never got I Look, I got COVID in November 209 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: of twenty the first time, the alpha version, and then 210 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: I got the remix ohm crow On version in uh 211 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: in January of this year. And um so when I 212 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: got the when I got knew that I had natural immunity. 213 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: I knew that all the data reflected uh, prior to 214 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: delta and omicron and everything else, that there was no 215 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: basis to require me to get the COVID shot, that 216 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: it was worthless. Um. And so not only have I 217 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: made that decision for myself, but I'm not going to 218 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: get my kids the COVID shot right, Um, you know, 219 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: if they become college age or have to do it 220 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: for school related reasons when they're uh you know, getting older. Maybe, 221 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: but my seven year old and my eleven year old, Um, 222 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: I think that's crazy. Uh. And so yeah, I was 223 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: comfortable uh standing out against that. I felt like I 224 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: needed to speak out for a lot of people who 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: didn't have that option necessarily because I was fortunate. I've 226 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: got a home studio, I've got the ability to do 227 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: things out of my house. Um. You know, if I 228 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: was a teacher and I needed to make a mortgage 229 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: payment or I needed to take care of my kids 230 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: or a police officer or something like that, I think 231 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: I would have had to do it right. Because most 232 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: people aren't independently wealthy enough, which is why when did 233 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's in the world say, Hey, this mandatory vaccination work. Yeah, 234 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of course you know. And also by the way, holding 235 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: a gun at someone and demanding their cash out of 236 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: their wallet it works. That doesn't make it right, um. 237 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: And so so that that was another example I thought 238 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: of making a decision that was right for me personally uh, 239 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: based on my own health parameters, but also was a 240 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: lot different for a lot of people didn't have that option, 241 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: and I felt like being one of the people who 242 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: was willing to stand up for them was important. Quick 243 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: commercial break more with Clay Travis on the other side. 244 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Do we engage in groups think as a society more 245 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: today or was it just more pronounced during COVID because 246 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: of the fears. I think we do it more now, um. 247 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: And I think the reason why we do it more 248 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: now is social media UH based siically demands a consensus opinion, 249 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: because if you don't have a consensus opinion, then the 250 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: people who are a part of the consensus opinion will 251 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: come after you and try to tear you apart. And 252 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: I think that has led more people to be afraid. 253 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: And it can be people who are in public figure 254 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: positions like us, or people on Facebook or Instagram or 255 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Twitter or wherever it is. UM. I think there is 256 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: a rush to consensus, and I think that was epitomized 257 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: by COVID, where I think we rushed to the worst 258 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: possible consensus opinion rather than actually look at the data 259 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: and allow that to to lead us, because I think COVID, 260 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: beyond the shadow of a doubt, the way that we 261 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: responded in the country is our biggest public policy failure 262 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: since Vietnam. And what they both have in common is 263 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: all of the experts told us we had to do Vietnam, 264 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: go to war, or else communism would continue to spread 265 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: and go everywhere, and we were told we have to 266 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: lock down or else COVID's going to overwhelm us and 267 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: overall the hospitals. And I think both of those consensus 268 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: opinions are the most disastrous of the last you know, 269 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: seventy years of American life. Well, I mean it definitely 270 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: tested society, tested people, tested her institutions, tested if we're 271 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: even a constitutional republic. And also just seeing where you know, 272 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: some leaders in the country want to take us, take 273 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: us more to tyranny, but you know a lot of 274 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: people are afraid to speak out because they were worried 275 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: about getting trouble was getting in trouble. As you pointed out, 276 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean you've spoken out in support of ESPN broadcaster 277 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Stage Steel. She's following a lawsuit against the network because 278 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: she was sidelined because she made comments against her her 279 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: company's vaccine policy, just making a different point of view 280 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: than some people on the network we're espousing, and it 281 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: landed her into a lot of trouble. Talk a little 282 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: bit about that case she's suing. What do you think 283 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: will happen and what are the ramifications of it? What 284 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: do you think it could lead to? Well, big picture 285 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: to me, what it references is I came out of sports, right, 286 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: So I was just your average guy who's a big 287 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: sports fan, um. And increasingly sports collided with politics, um 288 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: and so you had to have an opinion on Colin Kaepernick, 289 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: and certainly COVID really took that to an entirely different level. 290 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: What I saw happening in sports that was scary to 291 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: me was ESPN in particular, which is the big dog 292 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: in sports opinion, was allowing far left wing political opinions 293 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and encouraging and enabling and rewarding people who embraced far 294 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: left wing opinions, while oftentimes firing people for quote unquote 295 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: conservative opinions. And my big thing is I'm a First 296 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: Amendment absolutist. You may have seen my clips several years 297 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: ago where I went on CNN and said the only 298 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: two things I believed in I've been saying that on 299 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the radio for a long time was the First Amendment, 300 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: and Booze and CNN lost their mind when I said, yeah. 301 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: But i mean, look, the reality is, when you say 302 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: you're a First Amendment absolutist, it kind of just gets 303 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: lost in the cliche. And so I thought that was 304 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: such a you know, a fun and absurdly uh perfect 305 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: way to epitomize that. And by the way, the funny 306 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: thing about CNN getting so triggered by me saying that 307 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: was Hugh Hefner died shortly thereafter, and they lionized him 308 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: as a hero. And I'm not sure there's ever been 309 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: anybody that supported the First Amendment boogs more than Playboy 310 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: founders U Heffner, So that dichotomy there was really kind 311 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: of fascinating. But I'm in addition to being a First 312 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: Amendment absolutist, I also believe in the importance of content 313 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: neutral rules, right um, and being applying those rules consistently. 314 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: That's why I'm kind of excited if Elon must ends 315 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: up taking control of Twitter, he's going to do what 316 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I've been arguing should be happening at places like ESPN, 317 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: which is put your policy in place, but don't punish 318 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: someone for not having left wing opinions while promoting people 319 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: for having left wing opinions. If your policy is no 320 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: one can ever talk about politics at all, all we 321 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: want you to have an opinion on in your public 322 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: life is sports. If you're being paid millions of dollars 323 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: and you want to take that deal, you can take 324 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: that deal. But don't fire Kurt Schilling because he questions 325 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: a transgender bathroom bill while simultaneously promoting people who falsely 326 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: alleged that don't say gay bill in Florida, which is 327 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: really the parental rights bill, is saying something that it isn't, 328 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: and you're allowing a moment of silence on your broadcast 329 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: network for it. So really, all I want, you're right, 330 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: you're you're you should have a right too far left 331 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: wing opinions, and people should have a right to far 332 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: right wing opinions, but the policy should be content neutral, 333 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: and what's age steal is pointing out with her lawsuit, 334 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: is that isn't the case, And I believe that's a 335 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: significant battle that needs to be fought in sports media, 336 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: which has been overtaken by this tiny minority of super 337 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: woke journalists who do not reflect the overall vast majority 338 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: of fan opinion. Well, I think she's super brave. I'm 339 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: a fan of hers. Is it so your band from 340 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: both CNN and ESPN? Is that right? That's correct. I'm 341 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: the only person in America, UH, that is not allowed 342 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: to appear on either CNN or ESPN. That's hilarious. See 343 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: you talk about this sort of like distortion that's happened 344 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: in sports news. Is that why you started out Kicked 345 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: back in two eleven? No, not, Actually, it's what OutKick 346 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: has become. But in two thousand eleven, I started out 347 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: Kick because I was I was a huge sports fan. 348 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: I had worked at at CBS Sports dot Com, I 349 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: had worked at dead Spin but where Deadspen went crazy, uh, 350 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and I had worked at fan House. So I've worked 351 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: at three different big sports media companies. I felt like 352 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: I knew what people wanted to read and that that 353 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: wasn't being covered by the average Uh. The average sports 354 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: site out there. Uh So, I I was comfortable taking 355 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: a risk starting a business. Um and initially, you know, 356 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: sports had not gone crazy in two thousand eleven when 357 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I started out kick. Uh So, most of your big 358 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: sports debates were about realignment, about you know, what the 359 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: college football playoff might look like in the years ahead. 360 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: Uh There were a lot of sports related sports debates, 361 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: but we hadn't turned into this uberwoke, super political universe 362 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: that has just been tracked by OutKick, And increasingly what 363 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: I saw was without OutKick, there was nobody making the 364 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: arguments that I was making. And so our influence is 365 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: huge because you know, we cover sports for the seventy 366 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: five or eighty percent or more of sports fans who, 367 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: for instance, don't believe that a biological man who decides 368 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: to identify as a woman should be able to compete 369 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: and win women's athletic events. Like the idea that out 370 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: Kick is almost the only sports outlet that is covering 371 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: this and saying, hey, you know what, men should compete 372 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: against men and women should compete against women is to 373 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: be a testament of how broken the overall sports media 374 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: ecosystem is. But that's where we've been led by the 375 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: direction of sports media, which I think has been very 376 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: influenced by social media. But when I started in two 377 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, I never I never would have thought, Hey, 378 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: the greatest women swimmer of all time is going to 379 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: be a dude. I just I mean, that was so 380 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: far outside the bounds of of any kind of legitimacy 381 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: that I never would have seen us getting here. Also, 382 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: it's cool because well, you sold it the Fox, so 383 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: congrats on being rich. But what's neat about is I 384 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: I saw I saw what you wrote about the sale, 385 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: and you talked about kind of coming from humble beginnings 386 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: and that you know, there's a son of two parents 387 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: who never made in a year only in America. Indeed 388 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: you wrote, so, I mean, that's got to be pretty big. 389 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: I'm sure your parents are proud to you know, proud 390 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: of you. Yeah. Look, I mean, it's it's great to 391 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: be in a position where if I didn't ever want 392 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: to have to work again, I don't ever have to 393 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: work again. Um. That gives you some degree of personal freedom. 394 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: But the reality is every single day I jump out 395 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: of bed excited to get to do what I do. UM, 396 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: And you know, there's always that discussion, Hey, what would 397 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: you do if you want a lottery? I think a 398 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: lot of people have that discussion in their lives. You know, Um, 399 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: what would you do the next day? Uh? I basically 400 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: have right. I think I've won the lottery in life 401 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: with what I've been able to do, and I think 402 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: you're in a really good spot. My argument had always been, 403 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: and it's now true, in an ideal world, you would 404 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: like your job so much that if you want a lottery, 405 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: you would just keep doing it. And you know, that's 406 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: what I feel like I've done and that's what I'm doing. 407 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: So you know you're in a good spot when you 408 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: don't have to work to pay a mortgage or to 409 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 1: help raise your kids. You've taken care of that, but 410 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: you still love what you do so much that you're 411 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: going to keep doing it. Um, And that's that's where 412 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: I am right now. Well, that's an awesome place to 413 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: to be in. So, you know, congratulations to you. It's 414 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: amazing you. You had mentioned Will Thomas, now known as 415 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas. You know, what's the point of sports if 416 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: dudes can just pretend to be girls so they can 417 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: win titles and championships. I mean, look, if if the 418 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: reason why we have men's and women's sports segregated in 419 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: the first place is because, let's be honest, women would 420 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: not ever win any championships if men and women competed 421 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: in a co ed competition, right, And they wouldn't even 422 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: really make the finals, right or even be in the 423 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: close proximitty. And that's not me taking a shot at 424 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: women's athletes. It's acknowledging that biology is real. Um. And 425 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: so that is a decision that we made as a 426 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: society intelligently, you know, hundreds of years ago. Uh. And 427 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: certainly that we have allowed to come to full fruition 428 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: here in America, where women have more success and more 429 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: opportunity and more achievement than ever has existed anywhere else 430 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: in the world. And so are we going to destroy 431 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: that by allowing men? You know, one of the scary quotes, uh, 432 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: that was out there one of the pen swimmers, or 433 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: one of the women who was the teammate of of 434 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: this transgender swimmer said, uh. And I'm paraphrasing her quotes, 435 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: so I may not get it exactly right, but told 436 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: out kick, Uh, I hope if I grow up and 437 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: have kids, they're all boys. Because right now it's one 438 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: transgender swimmer, but eventually it's gonna be many more, and 439 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: women's athletics is not gonna exist anymore. And think about 440 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: how awful that is for any girl out there who 441 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: you know. You know how hard you have to work 442 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: to become a college swimmer. You're starting at five or 443 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: six years old, typically early in the morning, grinding away 444 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: as hard as you can to achieve one of the 445 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: highest levels of success imaginable, which is swimming at a 446 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: collegiate level. And you're then going to these girls and 447 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: these women who have spent their whole lives performing and 448 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: preparing for this moment. You're going to allow a man 449 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: who decides he identifies as a woman to set all 450 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: time records in their sports and to beat them and 451 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: to be considered a champion. Just not It's just not right. 452 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: And everybody has to make a choice. Right. Much of 453 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: life is about making choices, and so if you are 454 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: a fan of sports, you have to decide, do I 455 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: believe that women's sports should be made up of women 456 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: and that the champions in those sports should be female, 457 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: or do I believe that men who identify as women 458 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: should be able to compete against them. You can't pick both. 459 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: You have to pick a side. And this is why 460 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: so many people are pretending this story doesn't exist because 461 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: they're afraid in my industry that if they say, oh, 462 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: I only support women athletes being able to compete, that 463 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: they're going to be called anti transgender. And they're afraid 464 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: that if they support transgender athletes being able to compete, 465 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna be called anti woman. Well, you're gonna have 466 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: to pick a side. And my side is pretty clear, 467 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: and I've been as transparent about it as I could 468 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: possibly be. I believe women's sports should be made up 469 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: exclusively of biological women, period. Now I agree, and I 470 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: just want to be on the side of a common 471 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: sense in the truth. But well, the whole point of 472 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: this podcast. It also rhymes with my last name, so 473 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: that works too. But yeah, very creative. But we also 474 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: all this wote crap has really, you know, poisoned sports 475 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: and really poisoned a lot of the fun of it. 476 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, just recently, you look at this Tim Anderson 477 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: Josh Donaldson saga. So you've got a guy Tim Anderson 478 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: for the folks at Home White Sox player. He's black. 479 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: He had previously referred to himself as today's Jackie Robinson 480 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: and a Sports Illustrated interview. So then Josh Donaldson, who 481 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: is why he plays for the Yankees. He jokingly referred 482 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: to him to Anderson as Jackie something that he had 483 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: called himself. And now Josh Donaldson is on the receiving 484 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: end of suspension, finds uh. And you know, with future 485 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: being uncertain, does that make any sense to you, Clay No. 486 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times what I try 487 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: to do was say, let's take away the race related 488 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: components to this story, right, Um, just take it away, 489 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: because so many people are committed to whatever their angle 490 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: is on race relations that they can't think rationally. So 491 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: it just say Lee said that I called myself, uh, 492 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: the next Babe Ruth right, and I was a great 493 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Major League baseball player and I had just come into 494 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: the league. Comparing yourself to someone of incredible historical relevancy, 495 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever do something is an 496 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: incredibly cocky move to make. Right, Like if you're a 497 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: brand new quarterback and you called yourself the next Tom Brady, uh, 498 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: the first time that you stepped onto the field in 499 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: the NFL, or in college, other people would react to 500 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: that comment, right, and if you let's use it for 501 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: football examples. If you got sacked, uh and had a 502 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: four interception game, it's likely that one of your opponents 503 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: would be like, hey, good game, tom Brady. Right, because 504 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: you called yourself Tom Brady and then you went out 505 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: and you performed in a different fashion, they're going to 506 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: talk about you as branding yourself the next Tom Brady. 507 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: If I called myself the next Babe Ruth, it's not 508 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: crazy to think that on a major league baseball field 509 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: somebody might gently mock me by calling me babe on 510 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: the field, right, That wouldn't be racist. That would be 511 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: using my own words, uh, in a way to make 512 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: fun of me, right, Like, if anyone should be being 513 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: talked about in this story, to me, it's uh, it's 514 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: it's the idea that you're the next Jackie Robinson. What 515 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: you're comparing yourself to the guy who integrated baseball? Like, 516 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: what are you doing that is anywhere near the level 517 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: of significance to what to what Jackie Robinson did. So, 518 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: if anybody deserves to be made fun of and ridiculed 519 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: in this scenario, it's the guy who in twenty nine 520 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: decide decides to label himself the next to Jackie Robinson 521 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: because you're doing what exactly I mean, that's the crazy 522 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: part to me, If anything, it's super disrespectful of Jackie 523 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Robinson for a player into to compare himself to Jackie Robinson, 524 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: whether he's black or white. And by the way, taking 525 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: it outside of baseball, do you know what Leah Thomas 526 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: is uh is claimed, it's been written, was saying that 527 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: that the transgender athlete Leah Thomas was the Jackie Robinson 528 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: of women's swimming. That to me is an insult right 529 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: like that should be called out. But at least there 530 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: is something different, something new, that that person is representing. 531 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: I've also heard Michael sam called the Jackie Robinson of 532 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: the NFL because he was a gay, the first gay 533 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: player I believe to come out. All of these are insults, 534 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: insults to me, in my opinion, to Jackie Robinson because 535 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: his significance was so much more uh of an issue 536 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: and so much more of a challenge than what these 537 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: guys are dealing with. But if anybody's gonna be ridiculed, 538 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: it should be the guy who's comparing himself to Jackie Robinson. 539 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: Now that's such a great point. And I think a 540 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: lot of people look at this stuff and it really 541 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: is it's you know, it's all b s. I mean 542 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: you look at the NBA. They do all this stuff 543 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: on Black Lives Matter, all this crap about you know, 544 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: social justice, whatever, whatever, and then we see a report 545 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: that NBA owners have invested over or more than ten 546 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: billion dollars in communist China as the country quite literally 547 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: wages a genocide against the weaker population. Yeah. Look, and 548 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: not only that, Uh, the NBA pulled it's All Star 549 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: game out of Charlotte because of a transgender bathroom bill, 550 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: but they are going to play games in the United 551 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Arab Emirates where if you're gay you can be put 552 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: to death. I don't begrudge least. I've said this for 553 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: a long time. If businesses want to maximize profits by 554 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: doing business and as many different countries in the world, 555 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: and they want to say, look, we uphold American values 556 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: in the in our country, but American values don't govern 557 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: China or Saudi Arabia or or the U a E. 558 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: Or wherever you're going, right, but we're going to try 559 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: to bring our product to those countries. Nonetheless, so long 560 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: as they comply with American law UH in the United 561 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: States and are following laws of other countries, that's fine 562 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: with me. I'm never gonna begrudge a capitalistic organization for 563 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: embracing capitalism. But when you lecture me, and let me 564 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: give you an example, the w w E does events 565 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, that's fine with me, right because the 566 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: w w E is trying to do the best events 567 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: that they can in the United States and Canada and 568 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Australia and Europe wherever they're doing events, right, I'm not 569 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna be upset at the w w E for going 570 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia, even though Saudi Arabia has human rights 571 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: laws that are different than would exist in the United States. 572 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: But when you pull the All Star Game out of Charlotte, 573 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: North Carolina and lecture Americans over transgender related laws and 574 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: individual states, when you put UH left wing slogans on 575 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: your jerseys UH and literally right black lives matter on 576 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: the basketball court UH during the NBA season, and then 577 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: you're going to the u a E where gay men 578 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: and women can be put to death, I'm sorry. The 579 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: hypocrisy is so staggering that it has to be called out. 580 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: You can't have one policy in America and an entirely 581 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: different one in the rest of the world when you're 582 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: lecturing us all on how awful America is. And that's 583 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: why I get so fired up. Stay with us, We've 584 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: got to take one more break, and then back with 585 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: Clay Travis. Don't miss it. So I wanted to ask you. 586 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: I saw that in two thousand and sixteen, you voted 587 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: for Gary Johnson and you voted for Trump. What changed 588 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: for you? It's a really good question. And I've written 589 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: and talked a lot about my evolution in terms of 590 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: my own political opinions. UH like to me, and I 591 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: wrote I was, I think the only person in sports 592 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: media basically who came out. I wrote a long piece 593 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: about why I was going to be voting for Donald 594 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: Trump in I didn't know what to expect. I was 595 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: obviously not happy in with either Hillary or Trump as candidates. 596 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: I thought that entire year, uh in that campaign was 597 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: a total mess. Uh. And I have a lot of 598 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: libertarian beliefs, and so I was willing to vote for 599 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: a libertarian. Now, partly, let me say this, I don't 600 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: really think anybody should vote libertarian in who lives in 601 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: a state where you know what the outcome of your 602 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: race is already going to be. I live in Tennessee, right, 603 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I knew was going to win. In my 604 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: vote for president really didn't matter. Um. If you live 605 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: in Georgia or Nevada, or Wisconsin, or Michigan or Pennsylvania 606 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: or maybe New Mexico, UH and Arizona and you're voting libertarian, you, 607 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: to me are failing to make a choice that is significant. 608 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: I don't think we talk enough about the fact that, 609 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: even based on the numbers that are out there, Trump 610 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: would have won with ease if libertarians had not been 611 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: on the ballot. Right. Um, and you look at the 612 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who cast 613 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: their vote in those battleground states for a libertarian candidate, 614 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: I think you made an awful choice, and I think 615 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: you're seeing it with Joe Biden. But the things that 616 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: I care about the most, mostly so, are a full 617 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: flourishment of the First Amendment, standing up to China, UH, 618 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: individual uh liberties as it pertained to COVID. By the 619 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: time we got to I was I was all in 620 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: and and and there's a lot of different transition points, 621 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: but for me, the point where I said I can't 622 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: support any Democrat anymore. The Brett Kavanaugh hearings were really 623 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: big for me. I went to law school. I've got 624 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: a legal uh degree, so unfamiliar pretty well, certainly with 625 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: the process of selecting Supreme Court justices. The Democrats have 626 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: gone so far left wing, uh that I feel a 627 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: lot like Elon Musk when he when he shared that 628 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: meme of himself not really having moved. And you've gone 629 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: from you know, over the course of twenty years, Lisa, 630 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: I've gone from a little bit left of center to 631 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: like a right winger. Uh. And it's not because I've 632 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: necessarily moved very much in terms of what I believe. 633 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: It's because the Democrats have lost their minds and have 634 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: gone so far left wing, left wings. So when you're 635 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: talking about transgender when you're talking about people testifying in 636 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: Congress that men can get pregnant and have babies, uh, 637 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: And when you're talking about uh, you know, nine months 638 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: abortions being okay, or you know, there's jokes that justify 639 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: somebody being able to be attacked on stage, which is 640 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: what they're saying now about Dave Chappelle, or even that 641 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: comedians can't make jokes that make people uncomfortable, cancel culture, identity, politics, embrace, 642 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: which is what their Democrat Party represents. I fundamentally reject 643 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: all of that. And you know, I'm frankly stunned that 644 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: anybody could be happy to have voted for Joe Biden 645 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: based on what the first eighteen months have been. I 646 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: said today on the show Leagusa. Um, you know, I 647 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: got lectured for a long time about being on the 648 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: wrong side of history by a lot of left wingers. 649 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: They wagged their fingers at me for being a Trump supporter, 650 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of myself, first of all. I mean, 651 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: I was a history major. I may, in a different 652 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: world have ended up getting my PhD in history. I'm 653 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: a I'm a huge American history buff. These people who 654 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: lectured us about being on the wrong side of history 655 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: right now have voted for the worst president in a 656 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: hundred years. I think you have to go all the 657 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: way back to Herbert Hoover to point to a president 658 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: that's been a disastrous this point in their presidency, as 659 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has been. Um, are all those people now 660 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: recognizing yet that they're on the wrong side of history, 661 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: that they've been lecturing us Donald Trump and would have 662 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: been an infinitely better choice than Joe Biden. And we've 663 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: only had eighteen months and that's already I think a 664 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: virtual certainty. No, I mean, it's really scary. I mean, 665 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: I knew Joe Biden would be bad, but I didn't 666 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: realize anything could be this bad this quickly. It's it's 667 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: actually we'd be airlifting in baby formula humanitarian aid here. 668 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I never saw anybody arguing that. It's almost a shame, 669 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, just well one saying what he did in 670 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and then obviously seeing us take humanitarian aid from Europe. 671 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: It's like we're turning into a third World country under Biden. 672 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's sad to see is obviously two people 673 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: who love this country to just see the deterioration. It's 674 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: really sad, you know. And we've got a sidekick, Kamala Harris. 675 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: I want to play this clip from her real quick 676 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: and then get your thoughts on it. You know, when 677 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: we talk about our children, I know, for this group, 678 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: we all believe that when we talk about the children 679 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: of the community, they are the children of the community, 680 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: and she was talking about the baby formula and trying 681 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: to get into the US. Has there ever been a 682 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: better communicator? Joe Biden might have picked the only worst 683 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: communicator than him to be his vice president. And I 684 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: think this is, honestly, Lisa a little bit emblematic of 685 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: what one party rule does. Kamala Harris has never really 686 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: been challenged because she came out of California right um. 687 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: And this is a result I think of how awful 688 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: she is at her job and at communication, um, the 689 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,479 Speaker 1: likes of which I'm not sure that we've ever seen. 690 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: And I was one of those people who believed when 691 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden came into office that the idea was clearly 692 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: that he was going to be a one term guy 693 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: and hand the reins to Kamala and right off into 694 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: the sunset as an eighty two year old would typically do. 695 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: Biden has been far worse than I expected, but Kamala 696 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: has been much worse than I expected, even worse than Biden. 697 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: And I think that's why Democrats right now are panicking 698 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: because what I referred too, as you know, we had 699 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: the already weekend that Burnie's presidency of Joe Biden. Um, 700 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna maybe have to try weekend at Burnings too 701 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: and drag him across the finish line. Again. I don't 702 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: think it's gonna work because I think Biden is so 703 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: mentally deteriorated. I think most people can see it. Um, 704 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: But this idea is just uh, it's scary that we've 705 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: gotten here. And I always say I don't root for 706 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: a president to be incompetent um, even if he has 707 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: different policies than I might UH want to have advocated for, 708 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: because ultimately we all bear the cost. I think Ukraine 709 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: invasion happened because there was no respect for Joe Biden 710 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: anywhere in uh in Vladimir Putin's mindset. Um. I think 711 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: what happened in Afghanistan happened because Joe Biden is so weak, um, 712 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: and that China will and already is taking advantage of 713 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: us as much as they possibly can, based again on 714 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's in competence. So I've said before again this 715 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: is coming with a sports analogy. Um. You know, it 716 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: feels like the Biden administration Lisa is tanking for the 717 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: overall number one draft pick, Except when you tank for 718 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: the overall number one draft pick. There's at least a 719 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: beneficial goal. I'm not sure what the beneficial goal here is. 720 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: And I don't even know who you would select from 721 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: the Biden administration and say, hey, in this entire cabinet, 722 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: I would pick insert name here, he or she seems 723 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: like they might be competent as president. I can't even 724 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: think of one. Well, it's like picking the tallest midget. 725 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: You know, Is there anything else you want to leave 726 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: us with before we go? It's just that, despite all 727 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: the negativity of some of this conversation, I'm actually a 728 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: huge optimist um. And the reason why I say that 729 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: is I think when you study American history, you have 730 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: a great deal of humbleness when it comes to understanding 731 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: how much the passions of the moment can often, in 732 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: retrospect UH hide us from the general trajectory of the country, 733 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: which I do think moves in a positive direction. And 734 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: maybe example I'll use we know are going to be 735 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: hard fought, perilous, fraught with difficulty in general. But I 736 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: just want to remind everybody we had an election during 737 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: the Civil War, and we had an election during World 738 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: War two, UH, and we were able to UH do 739 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: the eighteen sixty four and in nineteen forty four, two 740 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 1: different elections and probably the midst of the most tumultuous 741 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: times in our nation's history. I am confident that eventually 742 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: we're going to come through this. And I think the 743 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 1: historical analogy I would bring to bear now is Biden 744 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: is Jimmy Carter in the context that the only reason 745 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter got elected was water game. The only reason 746 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden got elected was COVID. He sold the American 747 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: population on the idea that he would solve COVID. I 748 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: think what we've seen certainly is that was a lie. 749 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: No politician was going to solve COVID. Uh. And just 750 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: as Jimmy Carter got kicked to the curb, I think 751 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: what we are ready for is probably twenty years of 752 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: normalcy um and we had Ronald Reagan that rose up 753 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: to be Jimmy Carter. I think there will be a 754 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan like nine, eight and four over the next 755 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: and then maybe eight as well over the next several years. 756 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 1: Because if you remember Bill Clinton one in ninety two 757 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 1: and in basically running as a Republican, so from nineteen 758 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: eighty two effectively Obama in two thousand and eight, over 759 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: a quarter century, we basically had normalcy governing in America. 760 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: I think there's a great craving for that, and I 761 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: think that's where we're did uh on the horizon, Clay Travis, 762 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: this has been a smart and very fun conversation. You're 763 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: a busy man, and I really appreciate your time. Thank 764 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: you for having me, Thanks for coming on the show 765 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: as well to Clay and bought show. We'll have to 766 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: get you on again. You were great. Keep up the 767 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: good work. So that was fun. I hope you enjoyed 768 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: it as much as I did. You know, Clay Travis 769 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: has obviously been immensely successful in the world of media, 770 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: but he's a really smart, really funny guy. I thought 771 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: it was a ton of fun. I hope you guys 772 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: at home enjoyed it. I appreciate you all listening every Monday, 773 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: every Thursday The Truth with Lisa Booth. Don't forget to go. 774 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: Rate us five stars on Apple, leave us a review. 775 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening, and thanks to my producer, 776 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: John Cassio for working so hard to bring this show together. 777 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: See you guys next time.