1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Callahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: cal Thirty nine year old firefighter Matthew Glenn Mayer of 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Claypool was charged last week with illegally taking a white 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: tail deer, but that is the least of his worries. 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Mayor was also charged with resisting law enforcement and battery 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: on a public safety official, both of which are felonies 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: that carry serious jail time. Seems that Mayor was trespassing 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to hunt deer, and neighbors notified police when they saw 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: him chasing one particular deer over a field on private property. 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: After DNR officers spotted his side by side, they ordered 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: him to stop, but he fled the scene, and when 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: officers caught up to him at his home, he allegedly 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: pushed one of them. This might strike you as a 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: pretty garden variety wildlife crime story, not really much to 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: write home about, except for the fact that Mayor himself 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: did not write you know that song about mothers and daughters. 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Speaking to. 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: This particular Mayor was a conservation officer with the Indiana 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Department Natural Resources. I'm not going to speculate about the 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: possible former workplace tensions involved in this incident. But you'd 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: expect that after chasing poachers for a living, Mayor would 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: have learned to commit wildlife crimes with a little more guile. 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Of course, this he may have thought of this as 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: part of his compensation package. This week, we've got the 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: legislative desk, keeping it in the family poaching style and 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: the mail bag. But first I'm going to tell you 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: about my week. And my week we all went by 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: a real fast gang. As you are well aware, we 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: are seeing rollbacks of public led efforts, such as the 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: mining moratorium in the Rainy River Watershed, home of the 32 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Boundary Waters Canoe Area of wilderness. Much of the area 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: within road designation you can't build a road on due 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: to the slope and highly irrodable soils. In these areas, 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: there aren't stands of marketable timber either. There are fantastic 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: hunting opportunities, though there are headwaters of cold rivers that 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: provide clean drinking water and fishing and boating opportunities. In Montana, 38 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: for instance, the only rifle season for bugling bull elk 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: is in inventoried roadless areas. In Wyoming, the longest hunting 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: seasons in the state are in inventoried roadless Idaho reports 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: that hunter's success is actually higher in inventoried roadless areas. 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: What's really fun about roadless is that it was not 43 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the green groups pushing this one. They were at the table. 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: It was fiscally conservative folks who were shocked at the 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: eighteen billion dollars maintenance cost of decrepit forest service roads. 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: It was logging companies outlining areas that are not suitable 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: for marketable timber. And the roadless rule was the result 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: of six hundred public meetings in communities that would be 49 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: nearest to roadless designations local stakeholders. In other words, now, 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: how many public meetings are proposed to rescind this rule 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: that brought all the interests to the table and carved 52 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: out mutually agreed upon areas that would limit development with 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: few exceptions zero. We're all just being told that this 54 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: roadless decision is in our best interest because that's where 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the timber is, and that's where we need to fight 56 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: fires by building roads. Well, the problem with that is 57 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: new roads, any road can already be built in a 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: roadless area to address fire mitigation. Habitat work. Currently about 59 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: two million acres of inventory. Roadless has had this type 60 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: of work done near urban interface, while at the same 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: time other work has been stymied by litigation, and we 62 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: can work on that. That's something we can improve on now. 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: New fires are often human caused, and where do humans 64 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: hang out on roads? The more roads, the more fire, 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: because the vast majority of that fire, especially those we 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: label catastrophic, are human cost This one's not about firefighting. 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: It's not about timber gang if you ask me, It's 68 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: more about a couple of minds that nobody's talking about. 69 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: These areas that don't have roads are their own attraction. 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: They produce their own economic results. They are highly sought 71 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: after places of refuge for wildlife, including species list on 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: the ESA, and for quiet loving people who don't want 73 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: to be on a road system. No matter what you 74 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: think about this one, don't you wonder why to create 75 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: the roadless rule, industry, recreation, county commissioners, nonprofits and individual 76 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: citizens were included. But to rescind this rule, all those 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: interested parties are being kept out. We have almost half 78 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: a million miles of road across our public lands, some 79 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: three hundred and forty thousand miles across US Forest Service, 80 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: more than the Interstate highway system. We currently have a 81 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: maintenance backlog of six to eight billion dollars on what 82 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: we currently have. Proposed projects to shore up what we 83 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: currently have puts US over ten billion dollars. Where and 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: what is the real reason why it's not timber, it's 85 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: not fire, it's not recreation. And if it were, just 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: show us exactly where I guarantee you it's not going 87 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: to affect the entirety of the fifty six million acres 88 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: currently listed as roadless. On top of that, the day 89 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: you hear this podcast, Friends and Neighbors, there may be 90 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: a vote in the Senate to rescind the Boundary waters 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: through use of the Congressional Review Act. Congressional Review Act 92 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: is a hot topic right now because it is being 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: used in new and interesting ways, most of which have 94 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: never been done before. In this case, to rescind a 95 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: twenty year mining moratorium in the Rainy River watershed. It's 96 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: only about two hundred and twenty five thousand acres or 97 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: the moratorium is. This is a middle ground approach. It's 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: not a total mineral withdrawal. It's just a pause and 99 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: as I've said several times now, copper does not rot 100 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: in the ground. It's not going anywhere. This particular mining 101 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: company has a horrible track record when it comes to 102 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: the environment. If we need that copper here in the US, 103 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: which we obviously don't because this copper is going to China, 104 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: but there's a possibility we could use it in twenty 105 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: years and we could have a mining company with a 106 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: way better environmental track record. There are huge potential downstream impacts. 107 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: Army Corps engineers among others, say they are probable if 108 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: this mind goes in and it's our most visited and 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people would argue most family friendly wilderness 110 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: area in the US. Capital switchboard two two two two 111 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: four three one two one, and to use those backcountry 112 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: hunters and anglers action alerts when they come through. We 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 1: want to keep you informed so you always have the 114 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: option of weighing in. If you're listening to this podcast, 115 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: I know you do. We can make results, man, keep 116 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: it up. Moving on to the legislative desk up in Virginia, 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: the state General Assembly is in full swing following the 118 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: election of Democrat Governor Abigail Spaanburger. House Bill thirteen ninety 119 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: six would establish a permit system for people who hunt 120 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: game animals, fur bearing animals, or nuisance species with the 121 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: aid of dogs. The fee for this new permit will 122 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: be nineteen dollars. HB thirteen ninety six also prohibits anyone 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: from hunting with dogs on private land without permission from 124 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: the landowner. HB two oh seven would impose a five 125 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: hundred dollars tax on every firearms suppressor purchase. This comes 126 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: on the heels of a federal bill that reduced the 127 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: federal tax on gun mufflers from two hundred dollars to zero. 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: I guess Virginia legislators aren't happy about hunters protecting their 129 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: hearing without the government taking its pound of flesh. Finally, 130 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: HB two one seven would ban the sale and purchase 131 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: of so called assault firearms and large capacity magazines. The 132 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: pro gun control Virginia Democrats failed to pass an assault 133 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: weapons ban the last time they controlled the legislature and 134 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: the governor's mansion, so I'm sure they're excited to take 135 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: another bite of that apple. Virginia gun owners might feel differently. 136 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: That's HB one three nine six, HB two oh seven, 137 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: and HB two one seven. You can contact the Virginia 138 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: General Assembly dot gov. Good news up in Pennsylvania, after 139 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: the legislature passed a bill last year that allows the 140 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: Game Commission to allow hunting on all Sundays, the Commission 141 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: voted to do just that. The Pennsylvania Border Game Commissioners 142 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: gave preliminary approval to the twenty twenty six twenty seven 143 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: hunting season, which includes the Sundays that fall within the 144 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: listed start and end dates. No more wondering whether this 145 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: or that Sunday is open. Now if it falls within 146 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: the opening or closing of the season, you can hunt 147 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: even better. The season that previously ended on Saturdays will 148 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: largely end on Sundays, providing one additional day of opportunity. 149 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Up in Wyoming, the state Senate is set to consider 150 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: a bill that would allow hunters to use tracking dogs 151 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: to find downed black bears. It's already legal to use 152 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: dogs to recover elk and deer, but Senate File twenty 153 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: seven would add bears to that list. Seems like a 154 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: no brainer to me. State wildlife agencies across the country 155 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: are looking for ways to increase funding. In Oregon, they're 156 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: hoping tourists can help foot the bill. The one Percent 157 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: for Wildlife bill, sponsored by Democrat Rep. Can Helm and 158 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: Republican Rep. Mark Owens, would increase the state's current hotel 159 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: and lodging taxes by one point twenty five percent. The 160 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: revenue generated from this tax would be sent to the 161 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Oregon Department of Fishing Wildlife to support long neglected habitat 162 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: conservation programs. The bill number is HB two nine seven 163 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: seven A and it's currently in the Senate Rules Committee. 164 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: Staying in the Beaver state, two Oregon legislators have introduced 165 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: a bill that would legalize corner crossing and protect landowners 166 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: from liability. A draft of the bill obtained by the 167 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Salem Statesman Journal would allow hunters and other public land 168 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: users to corner cross as long as that person has 169 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: the right to be on public land, does not cause 170 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: physical harm to the property or landowner, and does not 171 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: unreasonably interfere with the quiet, enjoyment or use of that property. 172 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: In turn, the bill also prohibits corner crossers from bringing 173 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: negligence suits against the landowner for damages that arise from 174 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: those actions. In other words, if there's a fence at 175 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: that corner, and you break an arm trying to get 176 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: over the fence without damaging it, you can't sue the landowner. 177 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: The bill enjoys bipartisan support and it definitely seems like 178 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: a reasonable compromise, but we'll see how it goes. Oregon 179 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: is not within the Tenth Circuit, and so the ruling 180 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: from last year that legalized corner crossing does not apply there. 181 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Oregon is one of several Western states that will have 182 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: to continue working out this issue on the state level, 183 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: and you should be a part of that process. So 184 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: get in touch with your state legislators and tell them 185 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: what you think about this idea. The bill hasn't been 186 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: officially filed as of this recording, but you can still 187 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: reach out and let your voice be heard over. In Indiana, 188 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: House Bill one zero zero three has been introduced to 189 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: overhaul several state boards and commissions, and it would eliminate 190 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: entirely the Indiana Natural Resources Commission. The sponsors argue that 191 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: they want to reduce government bureaucracy, and I can get 192 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: behind that, but this bill is like reducing your acne 193 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: by cutting off your head. The Indiana Natural Resources Commission 194 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: oversees the adoption of permanent outdoor rec rules based on 195 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the expertise of biologists and managers at the DNR, and 196 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: it consists of citizens appointed by the governor, members of 197 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: other state agencies, and a representative of the Indiana Academy 198 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,359 Speaker 1: of Sciences. The NRC is the main way for Hoosiers 199 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: to make themselves heard on issues of public lands, waters 200 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: and wildlife. If the NRC went away or lost its authority, 201 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: than wildlife policy would be made by the executive branch 202 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: and the state legislature. And anyone who's listened to this 203 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: show knows what kind of policy you get from politicians 204 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: up for reelection. So Hoosiers, call your apps tell them 205 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: to vote down HB one zero zero three. Also in Indiana, 206 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: the DNR is prosecuting its first drone poaching case, the 207 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: first since recovering game with drones was legalized in March 208 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. The DNR alleges that back in December, 209 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: several hunters use a drone to scout, pattern the movements 210 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: of and harvest white tailed bucks. The agency has received 211 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: several complaints that a drone was following one, especially well 212 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: antler deer for several days in a row. Investigators began 213 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: following this drone, soon finding out the identity of the 214 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: operator and identifying the targeted buck. Sure enough, after the 215 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: deer was killed, investigators seized the drone and recovered hundreds 216 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: of photos of this deer, as well as location data 217 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: tracing the deer's daily travel. The suspects also allegedly shot 218 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: the deer over bait and trespassed to recover the animal. 219 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: I guess pinpointing the exact location of the buck didn't 220 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: prove enough of an advantage for him. Now, can I 221 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: blame this entirely on the fact that Indiana allows deer 222 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: recovery with drones? Yea, none entirely. People would still probably 223 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: be doing this without that particular law in place. But 224 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: it's notable that these guys were caught because other people 225 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: called the in complaints about a drone relentlessly following one deer. 226 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: No doubt there are other bad actors who are a 227 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: little more subtle about their tactics, and because there are 228 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: other lawful drones in the air during hunting season, no 229 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: one on the ground thinks to call those in ban 230 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: them all. I say big thanks to doctor Brian Stone 231 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: for writing in with those two Indiana problems over in 232 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: South Dakota. The legislature past House Bill ten seventy seven, 233 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: which would ban lab grown meat. Bill now heads to 234 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: the Senate. To be more precise, The bill would declare 235 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: lab grown meat to be a quote unquote adultered food, 236 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: which would de facto make it illegal to sell in 237 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: South Dakota. Until now, the definition of adulted food in 238 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: South Dkota had been limited to items that contain harmful 239 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: ingredients or have been doctored to hide spoilage, as well 240 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: as quote filthy, decomposed, or putrid animal or vegetable substances unquote. 241 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: As an aside, of course, I think you shouldn't sell 242 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: anything putrid, But just recently I flirted with putrescence wet 243 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: aged steak, no visible mold, but smelled and had a 244 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: legit blue cheese taste. House smelled like blue cheese, like 245 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: that strong, very tender, real tasty. It was a walk 246 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: on the wild side. People not gonna lie anyway. South 247 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Dakota is following several other states that have passed cultured 248 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: meat bands, including Florida, Texas, and Nebraska. South Dakota also 249 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: has laws on the books requiring lab grown meat to 250 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: be clearly labeled and preventing state money from being us 251 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: for research into developing it. Although the bill passed, there 252 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: were loud voices on both sides of the issue. Not surprisingly, 253 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: there weren't a whole lot of cultured meat boosters over 254 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: there in peer, but several reps voted against the bill 255 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: on free market grounds, arguing that people should be able 256 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: to choose what they wanted to eat as long as 257 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: they weren't being misled about what was on the plate. 258 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: A spokesperson for the South Dakota Cattleman's Association went further, saying, quote, 259 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: we do not support the cell cultivated proteins. However, not 260 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: supporting them and not wanting people to eat them is 261 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: altogether different than defining what is adultered. Representative Julie Ach 262 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: sponsored the bill and said quote, being a witness to 263 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: my industry and being taken over by a society that 264 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: is more concerned with climate change and sustainability is disheartening. 265 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to stand by and allow global elites 266 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: to take over South Dakota's livestock industry. And this seems 267 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: to get to the heart of the matter. As longtime 268 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: listeners to the podcast No I Am No Fan of 269 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: lab grown meat cow's condo. As they say, I'd rather 270 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: trust America's land to ranchers than real estate developers. Still, 271 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: this bill mostly seems like a symbolic opposition to the 272 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: idea of climate change. I'm willing to bet that most people, 273 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: when they're presented with a sizzling rabbi or a sizzling 274 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: puck made of cell promulgated slurry, they'll probably choose the ribbi. 275 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: So let's get busy focusing on other ways of reversing 276 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: climate change. There's a lot of good ranchers out there 277 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: setting good examples. Jumping down to Mississippi, Senate Bill two 278 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: four to three six has been introduced to open a 279 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: bear hunt in the Magnolia state starting with the twenty 280 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty seven and twenty eight season, which would be the 281 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: first since nineteen thirty two. However, despite growing bear populations 282 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: and a corresponding rise in human bear conflict, Ursus americanus 283 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: is still listed under the state's Endangered Species Act. It 284 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: might seem like a contradiction to advance a lot of 285 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: hunt and endangered species, but Mississippi State and dangered list 286 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: is due for review. You and bears may be on 287 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: the verge of coming off. The process would work this way, 288 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: the state Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks would make 289 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: the recommendation to the Mississippi Natural Heritage Program, the entity 290 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: that collects information on rare species administered by the state's 291 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: Museum of Natural Science. If the program agrees that the 292 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: bear can come off the list, then the five person 293 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: Commission on Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks would make a final 294 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: vote on the matter. If the bear comes off soon, 295 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: it would be a great thing to have a hunt 296 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: all ready to go. He might be surprised that Mississippi 297 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: doesn't have a bear hunt already. Nearby Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, 298 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: and Tennessee all have long standing bear seasons, and Mississippi 299 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: doesn't have the strong anti bear hunting culture that our 300 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: friends down Florida deal with. And at one time Mississippi 301 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: was world famous for bear hunting. The nineteen oh two 302 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: hunt where Teddy Roosevelt refused to shoot a tethered bear 303 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: that led to the invention of the Teddy bear, took 304 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: place on the Little Sunflower River in the western part 305 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: of the state. Bears have made a heroic back in 306 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: the region after being reduced down to a few dozen 307 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: individuals in the early twentieth century, but bears in Mississippi 308 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: are lagging behind their neighbors for a few reasons. First, 309 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Arkansas and Louisiana each had reintroduction programs that brought in 310 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: hundreds of bears from Minnesota. Second, habitat loss in Mississippi 311 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: has been harder to reverse, as the flat agricultural land 312 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: of the Delta hasn't regrown for us the way the 313 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Ozarks in Wa Cheetah Mountains have been able to. To 314 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: give you an idea of what the habitat was like before, 315 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I'll quote the historian John M. Berry, who wrote that 316 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: the Mississippi Delta was quote a jungle equal to any 317 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: in Africa, with dense forests of cane and giant trees 318 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: from which hung great vines of wild grape and muscadine. 319 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: The density of growth choked off air and held in 320 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: moisture and pulsing heat. It was so thick a horse 321 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: and rider could not penetrate even on foot. One needed 322 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: to cut one's way through. One pioneer reported killing fourteen 323 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: bears in eight days. Still, in the twenty first century, 324 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: Mississippi's bear population had return to a level that can 325 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: sustain a hunt which has caused for celebration Magnolia staters 326 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: call your reps and urge them to vote for SB 327 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: two four three six. Moving on to the family matters, 328 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: desk and Idaho family is set to stand trial together 329 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: for illegally killing four mountain lions and eight bobcats across 330 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: three counties in the northern part of the state. A 331 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: grand jury indicted Eddie aid Dills, his wife Angela, and 332 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: their adult son Daniel for conspiracy to commit unlawful killing 333 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: of wildlife, conspiracy to sell unlawfully killed wildlife, and conspiracy 334 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: to conceal evidence, all three charges or felonies. According to 335 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: the Cordelaine Post Falls Press, Eddie and Danny allegedly dumped 336 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: a mount lion down an embankment after it had been 337 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: unlawfully shot and killed in an effort to conceal it. 338 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: Prosecutors also say Angelus sold the carcasses and hides of 339 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: mountain lions and bobcats that her husband and son had 340 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: illegally killed to moscow hide and fur. The carcasses and 341 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: hides sold for a total of one thousand, seven hundred 342 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars. According to court records, Angela's attorneys 343 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: requested that the defendants be tried separately. They argued that 344 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: jurors would be confused by the large volume of evidence 345 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: and multiple defendants, and they worried that Angelo would be 346 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: wrongly convicted simply due to her association with her husband 347 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: and son. Her lawyers say she killed the animals herself 348 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: and did everything by the book, but prosecutors alleged that 349 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: she didn't kill those animals, but only made it appear 350 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: as if she did. This would make her part of 351 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: the larger conspiracy, and so she should be tied to 352 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: her husband and son. Sounds like the Dills Scout themselves 353 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: in a real pickle here, because the judge sided with 354 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: the prosecutors, so now it looks like it'll be a 355 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: family affair when the three face a jury of twelve 356 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: starting February seventeen. Moving on to a National Parks edition 357 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: of the Voicemail Desk. A few months ago, I told 358 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: you about a new policy from the Trump administration that 359 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: would charge non US residents to higher fee to international parks. 360 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: The Department of the Interior argued that since American taxpayers 361 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: fund those parks, they shouldn't have to pay the same 362 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: fee as a foreign tourist on vacation. The administration also 363 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: said that higher fees for foreigners would generate more revenue 364 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: for the park service, which is struggling under the weight 365 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: of staffing and budget cuts. The idea made some sense 366 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: in theory, but I recently received an on the ground 367 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: report about how it's working out in practice. 368 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: Hi. This is Brad from Northern Arizona Valley, Arizona, up 369 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: near the Grand Canyon. 370 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Brad's been a guide in Grand Canyon National Park for 371 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: about six years. He explained that the new policy has 372 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: forced park staff to check everyone's IDs at the gate. 373 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: This has led to some unfortunate, unintended consequences. 374 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: They're checking ID for psually everybody at the gate, and 375 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: that's thlowing things down quite a bit. We're in January, 376 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: normally the quietest month of the year. Well, racing lines 377 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: about half an hour. Come spring break, I would not 378 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: be surprised to see those stretching to three, four or 379 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: five hours long. And that's not just an inconvenient or 380 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: you know, people visiting the park. That has some really 381 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: big environmental habitat effects up here in the National Park 382 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: and in the Kaibab National Forest. 383 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: That area of Arizona's home to tons of wildlife, including 384 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: elk meal, Deir Havilina, squirrels and other critters. We want 385 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: to see more of, not less. That means protecting their 386 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: habitat as much as possible and creating policies that reduce 387 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: how much they're disturbed by traffic and tourists. Accordinator Brad, 388 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: those long lines are going to have the opposite effect. 389 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: Imagine five hours of hundreds of vehicles idling waiting to 390 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: get into the park, serious serious air quality issues, and 391 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: about some significant number of those folks are going to 392 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: open up Google Maps or Apple Maps and say, hey, 393 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 2: I see all these forest roads. Let me give those 394 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: a try. That Kaibab National Forest is going to become 395 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: a super highway people trying to divert their way around 396 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: those four and five hour line. 397 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Brad for that amazing on the ground report. 398 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: But I want to hear from you too. Are you 399 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: seeing longer than usual lines at national parks? You can 400 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: do two things. You know. You can always write your 401 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: representative in Congress and shoot me a voicemail. That's four 402 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: oh six two two zero six four four one. That's 403 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: all I got for you this week. Thank you so 404 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: much for listening. Remember to write in as K C 405 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: A L. That's Ascal at the meteater dot com or 406 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: four oh six two two zero six four four one. 407 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: Hit those BHA action alerts. Call your senators. I predict 408 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: a tough road to hoe between now and midterms. Gang 409 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: gotta hold these folks accountable. Thanks again, we'll talk to 410 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: you next week.