1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. It's good to be back, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: although it was great to be out west again. And 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: one of our favorite places in the world Pebble Beach, 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Monterey Peninsula. I have said many times it's not just 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: the golf, by the way, but it is one of 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: my just most special places in the world. The air 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: is sweet, it's the most beautiful. Weather is sweet. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: It makes me feel like I'm in a Nancy Meyers movie. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: It's very coastal grandmother, as they say on TikTok, like 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: you're in a sweater, You're walking the beach, You're drinking charenay. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: It's wonderful. 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: You're eating chowder three times a day. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I sure am. 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: But most importantly, we were there for an incredible reason 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: for an organization you started working with years ago, AIM 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: and all the work that they do for mental health. 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Elzy and I have been involved with this together 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, as well the AIM 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Mental Health galle that they do every year, and kudos 22 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: to them for putting on such a tremendous event every year. 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: The talent is amazing, and more importantly, the cause is 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: It's all about mental health, suicide prevention and coming at 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: it from a very scientific medical perspective of stopping this 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: in its tracks, treating it as the disease that it is. 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: And there are some amazing other organizations that Elsie and 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: I are involved with, like the Grant Halliburton Foundation out 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: of Dallas that is also about youth suicide prevention, but 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: it comes at it from a very different perspective. So 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I love being a part of both of these organizations 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: because they're both doing great work and we are always 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: so proud and honored to talk about mental health, to 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: say suicide, to talk about it, to take that taboo away, 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: because it is something that can and should be discussed 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: in your own house with your friends. It is paramount 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: to have that discussion. 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: Yes, so thank you to AIM for everything that they 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: do and for having Chris and I come host the event. 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: There's just so many wonderful people, so it's a great 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: work and also a blessing that we get to do it. 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: So we turn to the DMS that we get at 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: the most dramatic pod ever to come up with our 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: topic for this podcast, and our producer Kendall flagged for 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: us that we've actually gotten a good amount of questions 46 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: in recent weeks, maybe because the wedding's coming up about 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: one topic, a very big topic, which is are we 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: ever going to have children? 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: And this is an interesting topic because this is something 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: you and I have faced because we're engaged in getting married, 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: but it's also something that are our friends as they 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: get married face and when is it time? And you 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: always get that question, when are you getting engaged? When 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: are you all going to get married? Once you get married, 55 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: it's immediately when are you having kids? And I think 56 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: we start with taking us out of it. When is 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: it or is it ever appropriate to ask someone that question? 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: Such a good point. 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: I struggle with this so much at ET working in 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: entertainment news, and my personal awareness of it opinion on 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: it changed over the years when I was younger. You know, 62 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: you think you're coming from a place of good intent, 63 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: and in many ways you are, you know, asking somebody 64 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: are you gonna have kids? 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 3: Or when are you guys can have kids? 66 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: Like you're trying to show that you're invested in someone's 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: life and that you care, But truly it can be 68 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: a very difficult, very triggering, very painful question to ask, 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: you know. I look back at times when I asked 70 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: about kids on the Red carpet, and I wish I 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: hadn't in some of those moments. 72 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: You never know what someone's going through. Privately. I was 73 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: just thought I was doing my job and thought I 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: was doing the right thing. And yeah, I. 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: Would have handled some of it differently during my laters 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: years at ET, I tried to handle it differently. And 77 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: part of the problem is right, there's, honestly also this 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: appetite for that knowledge, Like people, kids are a blessing 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: and people want to know about celebrities having kids and 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: it's a joyful thing. So again I thought I was 81 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: doing my job. And when people ask each other, they 82 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: are often coming from a good place. But it can 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: be a very difficult question to answer. 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: It's something that I agree. I think back in the day, 85 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: without thinking, we knew it was coming from a place 86 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: of love, and it was just kind of the next stage, right, 87 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: when are you going to start a family when you're 88 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: going to have kids? Not thinking at all, and I 89 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: give a little credit. I hate to do this publicly. 90 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I give credit to social media. So many people have 91 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that they can have children, the 92 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: fact that they've had miscarriages, the fact that we've kind 93 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: of lived and made it more normal that so many 94 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: of us go through these ordeals and traumatic situations, and 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: I think we all just didn't talk about it. It's 96 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of like mental health. We all just didn't talk 97 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: about this. 98 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: And so social media. 99 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: Has been so important for taking away the stigma and 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: the shame I think we talked about when I was 101 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: a counselor at Experience Camps, at camp for grieving kids. 102 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: I see so many parallels there, like social media has 103 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: helps people talk about grief too, And again I get 104 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: frustrated with why don't we learn this in school, Like, okay, 105 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: you learn the basic sex set of here's how a 106 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: baby is made, but we don't learn about miscarriages in 107 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: sex said, we don't and think about how common it is. 108 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Well and how to deal with it too. I mean, 109 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: I think what you talked about it never dawned on me. 110 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: But everybody, everybody on walking this planet is going to 111 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: suffer loss. We don't talk about that at all in school. 112 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, we're teaching you trigonometry and algebra and teaching 113 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: you maybe how to make a wallet or an ash tray, 114 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: But we're not talking about the fact that, yeah, there 115 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: are miscarriages. How do you handle this grief? What are 116 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: the stages of grief? How do you deal with this? 117 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Because we will all at some point unfortunately deal with that. 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: It's inevitable. 119 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: Well, if we get back to you and I and. 120 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Withoud said and getting back to this question, I will 121 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: also say as a woman, and I would guess many 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: women out there can relate to this. It's that questions 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: asked differently to women than it is to men. I 124 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: sometimes feel a judgment with it. 125 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. 126 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicee, where you're coming from. 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: Well, don't you. 128 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: Think that people probably react like say that you and 129 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: take out that you and I were even together. So 130 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: pretend we're both single right now. Don't you think that 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: I would get asked are you going to have kids? 132 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 133 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: But you would probably never get asked are you gonna 134 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 3: have more kids? 135 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: One hundred percent? 136 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 137 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: And I understand towards you, it feels like pity, like, oh, 138 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: you haven't had that you need to reach that stage 139 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: in life. You are missing something, Yes, And that's obviously 140 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: not the case, and you're right. Nobody would ever ask me, hey, man, 141 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: you didn't get married again so you can have more kids. 142 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: I've just noticed that. 143 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: I think sometimes it comes with a little bit from 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: some people, not from everyone, but with a little bit 145 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: of like, but why not, or like or you're making 146 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: the wrong decision, Like sometimes I can feel that. 147 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Tone a little bit like judgment. 148 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not explicit or overt, but sometimes I feel 149 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: it or I and then I hear myself trying to 150 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: feel like I have to justify it. Actually, it was 151 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: interesting bringing up Experience camps again. But I noticed a 152 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: lot of other women at that camp because it was 153 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: an all it's all female counselors, but a lot of 154 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: the other counselors. It was the first time I'd been 155 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: around so many other women who said, and I guess 156 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: we should say for the record, right now, we are 157 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: not talking about having kids. In fact, we're I don't know, 158 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: how do we best put it, we don't plan to 159 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: have more kids. Yes, And a lot of other women 160 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: at that camp said the same thing, like said, I 161 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: don't know, they like, they don't really plan to have kids, 162 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: And so it was sort of refreshing. I thought a 163 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: lot about the podcast we did with doctor Sterling and 164 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: how she said she's seeing that gynecologist and she's seeing 165 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: more and more people not have kids, which could be 166 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: a dangerous thing for our population. I don't really know 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: on that, but yeah, so it was it was interesting 168 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: to discuss that with the other women. 169 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that those women are just more of 170 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: a sign of the times, or do you think there 171 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: was a direct correlation. Because you were at grief camp, 172 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: You've all lost somebody at a very young traumatic stage 173 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: in your life. 174 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: There's probably a myriad of connections there. 175 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: I wondered too, just somebody who maybe doesn't want to 176 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: have kids. 177 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 3: Are they like like there. 178 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: I would imagine if you're a parent and you're parenting 179 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: every day, it's probably not easy to then be like 180 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a camp and like be 181 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: account camp. 182 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: Council for kids all day. That's true, Like if you 183 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: don't have kids, it's a little more like, oh, this 184 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: is special. 185 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: I get to go help these kids, and this is 186 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: you know, not something I do all the time, and 187 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: I'm coming at it, you know, without a lot of exhaustion. 188 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: So I wondered that. I'm sure there's several factors going 189 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: into it. 190 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is something that I have noticed just 191 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: a change in myself as well about how I approach 192 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: talking to people, just because I know so many people 193 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: who have been through some really traumatic things or just 194 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: can't have kids, and it's that's something. Also we talked 195 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: a little bit to the doctor about that it's harder 196 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: for people to get pregnant today than it was. I 197 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, scientifically what's going on, medically, what's 198 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: going on, but it is so much. 199 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: Did you say it's just talked about more. 200 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 201 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, she I think no. She said, there is a 202 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: direct there is a change in the amount of testosteroman men. 203 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: And remember we kind of went into that whole thing, 204 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: and we we cause a lot of it ourselves, and 205 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: there's things you can do well. 206 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: We are yes, planning to have children back. I feel 207 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: like I get very well. 208 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: We don't mind opening up our own lives. It's just 209 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: it's how we approach other people. And it's it's not, 210 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, crazy, because I get that when people come 211 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: up to us and ask that or want to talk 212 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: about it, it's it's they just want to connect with 213 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: you totally. 214 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: And I want to see as we get into this 215 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: that this is a different choice for everybody. This is 216 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: an individual choice. I think kids are wonderful. I think 217 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: getting to that that negativity I maybe sometimes feel. And 218 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: I I said this to the other counselors at camp. 219 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: Here's the distinction. I think people think like you don't 220 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: like kids, or you think parenting is bad because you're 221 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: not choosing to have kids. That's not at all. I think 222 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: parenting is the hardest job in the world. I have 223 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: an immense amount of respect for it. Maybe that's in 224 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: part why I. 225 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: Feel like I I think it's really hard. 226 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: And I know that I have no idea how hard 227 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: it is, so I can't imagine how hard it is. 228 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: And maybe that's what puts me off from having kids 229 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. So I have so much respect. 230 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: For it, and I think kids are amazing. I loved 231 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: being at camp. 232 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: I loved trying to be a positive presence in those kids' lives, 233 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: and I think I have a caretaking heart. It's just that, 234 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: like one thing I said to some of the other 235 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: camp counselors as we were talking about it, is like, 236 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: sometimes I've had a hard time talking to my mom 237 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: about this. Yeah, because I think my mom, and rightfully so, 238 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: puts a lot of her identity in being a mom, 239 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: and she should. She's raised all tuot our Horns, three 240 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: incredible successful kids, and she did an incredible job at parenting. 241 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: So I think sometimes she struggles with me not being 242 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: so on board with having kids. But I've said to her, 243 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: and I told this to the other counselors. The way 244 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: I put it is, Look, I probably could have done 245 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: a lot of things well in life. My parents were 246 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: both lawyers. They wanted me to go to law school. 247 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: I probably could have been a great lawyer. 248 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. 249 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: He's in his head, he's thinking about how I argue 250 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: with him. But I didn't want to be a lawyer. 251 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: Do I think that if tomorrow, like I don't know, 252 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: if there was some reason we needed to adopt or something, 253 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: I think i'd be a good mom. 254 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: I just don't. 255 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: I've never really felt that super strong need, and I 256 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: think it's such a difficult job that I don't know 257 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: that I want to jump in when I don't feel 258 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: like I really want this. 259 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: Someone asked us if we had this conversation when we 260 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: started dating. 261 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: I think we started talking about this on our first 262 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: date exactly. 263 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: I think it came up and I said, absolutely, we 264 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: had this discussion, and to have not had this discussion 265 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: would be incredibly I mean, ignorant and irresponsible. I urge everybody, 266 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: whether you are getting married for the second time, like 267 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: Lzie and I, if you were getting married for the 268 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: first time and you are twenty three, twenty four to 269 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: twenty five years old, or whatever, wherever you find yourself 270 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: in life, you must have that conversation of what you 271 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: both want out of life, what you both want out 272 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: of a family. And look, I know you may not 273 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: have all the answers, and you shouldn't have all the 274 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: answers when you're just kind of starting out, but you 275 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: should have a pretty good overall idea. 276 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think it depends on your age, Like if 277 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: you're twenty three, you don't need to bring up kids 278 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: on the let's not freak each other out, right, But 279 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: we were older, and I think back on our first date, 280 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: our first date was a pretty It ended up being 281 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: a very long conversation. We talked for hours, and we 282 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: got into like where we maybe start ourselves living one day, 283 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: how we wanted to live the rest of our lives, 284 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: and probably it was just because we thought, look, we're 285 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: a little older, I know what I want. I don't 286 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: want to mess around and waste anybody's time. So we 287 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: got into some. 288 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: Of those big really deal breaker time. 289 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: We talked about moving to Austin. We talked about moving 290 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: to Texas on that first day. Yeah, we did, because 291 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: I let Lauren know that was kind of my dream 292 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and my goal eventually. I obviously I didn't know I 293 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: was leaving the show at that point, but I said, 294 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: you know, I will be heading back to Texas at 295 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: some point, and I said on night one with her, 296 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: please come with me. No, I didn't go that far. 297 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: Again, don't free people out. 298 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: I do think it's important, and I didn't mean for 299 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: if you're twenty four, twenty five years old and you're 300 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, dating, to have that conversation. But eventually, if 301 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: you get serious with someone, when you see a life 302 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: with someone, if you think about proposing or whatever, yeah 303 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: you should have that. And it's not just kids. It 304 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: has to do with your career, where you may want 305 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: to live. All those things should be discussed so it's 306 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: not a big thing when it comes up later. And 307 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: that conversation isn't set, and Cement, I think that's really important. 308 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: And you and I have had this discussion. Just because 309 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: you said something five years ago, ten years ago, it 310 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean time's life. Your heart doesn't change. These conversations 311 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: are not set, and Cement, it's okay to revisit. It's 312 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: okay to talk and continue that conversation because we all change. 313 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: I actually think one thing I said to you early 314 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: on was losing my dad made me realize it's that 315 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: old saying we plan and God laughs, Yeah, I thought 316 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: my life was you see your life, you know, you 317 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: see like your dad being there to talk to you 318 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: about your first job or walk you down the aisle 319 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: one day, and you kind of then life throws something 320 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: at you that totally changes everything, and that may me 321 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: realize that actually it can sometimes be detrimental to try 322 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: to plan your life too much. And I have friends 323 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: who I think have boxed themselves in sometimes by doing that. 324 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: Very fair and so yeah, I totally agree with you. 325 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: I think I said to you in the beginning, like 326 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: I want you to know that the death of my 327 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: father made me realize I don't totally know where I'll 328 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: be in five years, you know, and I might feel 329 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: differently about something like that was an experience that changed 330 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: me as a person. 331 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: So whatever life throws at me might change me. 332 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I it makes me. Especially I 333 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: think as we're thinking about getting married, you know, thinking 334 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: about we're coming up on getting married, I think so 335 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: much that like, the partner you pick has to be 336 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: someone who. 337 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: My dad actually, oh gosh, I don't want to hear it. 338 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: My dad actually said this to me. 339 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: He said, I love your mother because she's someone I've 340 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: been through seasons with and I can see myself through 341 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: seasons with. And what he meant was like, the seasons 342 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: of life are going to change you, and you've got 343 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: to pick somebody who's willing to be on those those 344 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: changes with you. And it's a fine line, right, or 345 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: maybe it's a great area. I'm not saying put up 346 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: with everything from somebody, like, don't put up with someone who's, 347 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: you know, making you miserable and who's not turning out 348 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: to be the person that they told you they were 349 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: going to be. This is case by case, but yeah, 350 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: you have to be flexible with each other and empathetic 351 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: with each other. 352 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: And so for us, you know, and I think I 353 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: think back on our conversations, whether it was kids, whether 354 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: it was moving to Texas, I was always very open 355 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: to I'm always open to life. And that's one of 356 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: the things I love about you. It's one of the 357 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: things I love about us. And we have said, you know, well, 358 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: we're going to grow wherever we're playing it like, we 359 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: will go. If we want to go somewhere new, we'll 360 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: leave Austin, we can go. It's I love the fact 361 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: that we both have that sense of adventure, sense of spirit, 362 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: but also just knowing we will make that work. And 363 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: when it came to kids, it was a conversation we 364 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: had early on, and you came to it from one direction. 365 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: I came to it from another. Having two kids and 366 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: knowing that they would be very involved in our lives 367 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: and your life as well. If we ended up going 368 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: the distance, then they have become part of your life 369 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: as well. 370 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 371 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I've always said that I've never came into 372 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: their life trying to or wanting to be a parent, 373 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: but wanting to be someone who's there for them, who 374 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: loves them, who mentors them. For sure, I've like thought 375 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: about inventing a new word for it. 376 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: I actually I'm still very close. 377 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: With my former mother in law, right, and she and 378 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: I decided now I call her my mother and soul 379 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: and she calls her me her daughter and soul. 380 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: Oh. 381 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: I like that. 382 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can like invent new words and phrases. 383 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: No, that's actually much more appar Well, it's you. 384 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: Know, because I hate stepmom, Like, well, damn, damn you Disney. 385 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 3: I know, every step is always this villainous character. 386 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: Rich. I mean, I don't know why step dads aren't 387 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: out there getting a bad rap in the movies. 388 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 389 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: Mothers have to be all things like it's like they 390 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: have to be the one saving the kids and dying 391 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: for the kids, and then the stepmom's got to be 392 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: the villains. And it's like, like, I don't know, dads 393 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: take some of the heat and these archetypes. 394 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: Jesus, I blame I blame Uncle Walt on all that. 395 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: So let's go with I like that mother and soul, Yeah, 396 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: because it is that's that is definitely your relationship with 397 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: the kids, and I love that. 398 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 3: Kendall. 399 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: Do you have any more specific questions we could address, 400 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: because I'm yeah, I know you make topic I feel 401 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: like I'm. 402 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: Bringing our producer Kendall, who had a list of questions 403 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: from all of you guys. 404 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: Yes, I actually have a couple for you guys. One 405 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 4: question is do you ever worry that you will regret 406 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: this decision? 407 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: Uh? 408 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, yes, I mean sometimes I it's 409 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: hard because again you have people who are so close 410 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: with like my mom telling me literally, well, I just 411 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: don't want you to regret it one day, but you 412 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: know you could operate. 413 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. We could worry about so many things 414 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: we might regret. 415 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: And I have thought about freezing my eggs just as 416 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: an insurance policy, because again, you never know what life's 417 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: going to throw at you. And yeah, so like I 418 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: think that little worry is there. But I also again 419 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: go back to like, it's such a big decision that 420 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: I remind myself, I can't operate out of this like fear. 421 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: I need to operate out of what I want, and 422 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: that's what's in my mind. 423 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: I like that. I appreciate you being honest for everybody listening, 424 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: because it would be very easy for you to just 425 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: say no, no, like no regrets, no regrets, Yeah, no regards, 426 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: not even one letter. 427 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: What else Kendall, Chris, this is a question for you, 428 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: how do your kids feel about this decision? 429 00:19:53,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting. I don't know exactly. I think they assume. 430 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we've kind of had these conversations. I think 431 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: they kind of assume that we are not having more kids. 432 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: I think if we chose to, they're such amazing, loving people, 433 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: they would embrace it and be all over it and be, 434 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, a phenomenal big sister, big brother. So that's 435 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: the kind of the great thing about Taylor and Joshua. 436 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: It was more about I think the human that I'm 437 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: with and who I would be doing that with with Lauren, 438 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: that is most important to them. They are so evolved, 439 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: so smart, and so kind, such better people than I am, 440 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that would be it. But 441 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: I think they assume through our discussions because they're pretty 442 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: close with Lauren and I and we've kind of been 443 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: open about this. 444 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 4: And a question for you both is what benefits do 445 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 4: you see and not having children in terms of lifestyle, career, 446 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: personal goals. 447 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember seeing this one. And there was 448 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: also one that said, like, how do you see your 449 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: relationship without children? 450 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: So those are sort of twofold. I mean, I think, 451 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: to me, I've just always and part of it is I've. 452 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 2: Been so passionate about what I do for work, and 453 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: I like, that's what I want to keep doing. Right now, 454 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, we're working on some different things and and 455 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: with our production company together working on some things. So 456 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: I love working with you, and I think, you know, 457 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: it's just I just see that as so much of 458 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 2: my future that that's the passion. And you know, as 459 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: many creative people will tell you, they like have projects 460 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: that are their babies in some way. 461 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: And I totally agree, and I love the future that 462 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: we have and it's you know, it feels a little selfish, 463 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: but you know, again, we've been there, and Lauren's been 464 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: there with me getting the kids out of you know, 465 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: high school, getting them to college. That has been a 466 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: part of our relationship that we've shared. And we're about 467 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: to kind of take that step into we're kind of 468 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: empty nesters, but really the kids are still in college. 469 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: We're about to become full empty nesters. And then you know, selfishly, 470 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to be like Dona Zema and I'm going 471 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: to kind of put it on the kids and eventually, 472 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, we'll have grand babies to play with and 473 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: to spoil and to watch, but then to quickly give back. 474 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: And so it's exciting to think about what might come. 475 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: And again, best la plans, you never know, but you know, 476 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: having lived that life, and I love the stage the 477 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: kids are at now. And Lauren's obviously super involved in 478 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 1: this stage of the kids growing, figuring out what they 479 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: want to do with life, their careers and internships and 480 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: all that. So it's not like we're footloose and fancy free, 481 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: even though we say we're empty nesters. So we get 482 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: to we get to dabble in both right now, which 483 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: is kind of awesome. 484 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest, So I want to travel. 485 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: I want to you know, there's so many things that 486 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: I mean, we won't even get a dog for that reason. 487 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to be I want to see 488 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: the world. 489 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: So so I see that as a huge thing that 490 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: is going to be major in our lives over the 491 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: next couple of years. 492 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: And to be honest, you know, having been there and 493 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: done that, I understand the commitment and the energy and 494 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: the patience that it takes to have a baby then 495 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: to raise that child and be at daycare and mommy 496 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: and me and daddy and me, and you know, be 497 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: at kindergarten, you know, parent teacher conferences and recitals and 498 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: t ball and all those things which I loved. I 499 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: was all in the thought of doing that again just 500 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that's where I am in my life 501 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: right now. It doesn't seem where that's where Lauren is 502 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: in her life right now, and us as a couple. 503 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: So that is our decision. Anybody else who's older who 504 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: wants to dive in and do that again, God bless you. 505 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: That's great. That's just not where we are right now. 506 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm looking at this list of questions you 507 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: sent us Kendall from people. Yeah, one of them is 508 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: Lauren growing up, did you always envision yourself have kids? 509 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: And the answer really is no. I don't know if 510 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: that's unusual or not. If other women have felt that way, 511 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: Please DM me and let me know. Like I said, 512 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 2: some of those other counselors at camp and I related 513 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: on this, But I was never like, I want to 514 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: have kids one day, I can't wait to have kids. 515 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: I want to be a young mom, I want to 516 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: be an older mom. I was never saying that stuff. 517 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: My sister's very different than me. My sisters always wanted 518 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: to have kids. I'm so excited for her to have kids. 519 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: I can't wait to be an aunt. But I was 520 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: never really I was always like, here's what i want 521 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: to do for work, here's what i want to do 522 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: with my life, here's what I'm passionate about. And that 523 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: was my focus. And you know, then probably on top 524 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: of that, I would say, again going back to the 525 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: effects of grief, but losing my dad meant that, you know, 526 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: I had to step up as a sibling in a 527 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: lot of ways. I needed to help with my brother 528 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: and sister and be there for them more in a 529 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: little bit more of a maternal role, which you're already 530 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: doing as the oldest child. So yeah, you know, I've 531 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: been out here raising these these adult siblings of mine. 532 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: My brother literally calls me second mom. 533 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: Sometimes. I think fellow oldest sisters out there can relate. 534 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: And we touched on a little bit earlier, but that 535 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: really is a thing in society that we have put 536 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: on young girls. 537 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: Right nobody's asking the boys, do you want to be 538 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: a dad one day? 539 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: What do you want to do when you grow up? 540 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: That's what I got asked. 541 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's maybe happening a little more now. 542 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: I want to be an astronaut, I want to be 543 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: a fireman. Oh, you're going to be a great mom. 544 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 545 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: I think it's happening a little more now, but it's 546 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: definitely still not the norm to hand a little boy 547 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: a baby doll and say, why don't you play being 548 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: daddy today? 549 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: And here's a little toy stroller. 550 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: I definitely talked to Taylor as she was growing up 551 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: about just just as I talked to Joshua as far 552 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: as business, and oh, you want to be a chef, 553 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: that's great, Well, Taylor, you have you thought about owning 554 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: a restaurant? You know you can own it, and you know, 555 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: so just stilling that, yeah, and stilling the broader look 556 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: of the world and being more entrepreneurial and being you know, 557 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: and having that as opposed to are you so excited 558 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: someday you get to have a baby? And you know, 559 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: changing that conversation because and by the way, if that's 560 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: what anybody wants to grow up and do, great, that 561 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: is noble. It is beautiful and wonderful, But so as 562 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: being CEO of any company, President of the United States, 563 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: what have you. And by the way, we could use 564 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: that anybody who wants to sign up. 565 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: Please one thing about the career stuff. 566 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: It's interesting. This might sound wild. Obviously, the traditional issue 567 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: that women face is that if you have kids, like 568 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: it affects your career. You know, I mean, your your 569 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: body suffers and you're and our American jobs are so 570 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: awful with how much maternity leave they give. You know, 571 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: we're like the worst country in the world for that, 572 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: and it's hard. Then you're you know, you're It's just 573 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: so much for women to deal with. So I've heard 574 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: other people say before that they did not have kids 575 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: because of their career. I've also wondered lately, like it's interesting. 576 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: I've actually I can't believe I'm saying this out loud. 577 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going to be an 578 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: awful thing to say. Sometimes I wonder if not having 579 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: kids will affect my career. Will affect my career in 580 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: a negative way in that like it will make me 581 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: less relatable to people. People will feel like I don't 582 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: understand their lives. People will feel like, you know, I'm 583 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 2: talking to them on Instagram, but like I don't get it. 584 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's like been a fear that I've had, 585 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: I don't know. 586 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: Not unfounded, but I think and I'm just going to say, 587 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: because of you, you're the most compassionate, understanding, loving person. 588 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: And I don't think that defines you or ever would, 589 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: but I understand where you're coming from. That makes sense 590 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: to me. 591 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's helped. 592 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: It has helped to have Josh and Taylor because also 593 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: it's helped me understand you, you know, to love them 594 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: and to worry about them. And for sure, when you're parenting, 595 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: you understand parenting better. Like you know, I've called my 596 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: mom and said, God, I really get this now now 597 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: that we've you know, I've lived with teenagers and college kids. 598 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: And yeah, the second we start parenting. 599 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: Lauren texts the latest fentanyl warnings, the you know, worried 600 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: about everything then you know, whatever warning the. 601 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: Scary headline, and I text the kids, Yes, I do it. 602 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: So you get it. You get these sleepless nights. You 603 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: understand that. And that's the thing is that the empathy 604 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: is there, and you know that's the beauty of you. 605 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: But I think there is. 606 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: Something really beautiful about once you parent, then you understand 607 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: your own. 608 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: Parents better like I have. 609 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: I have really loved being able to talk to my 610 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: mom about some stuff now that I've experienced life with. 611 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: Josh and Taylor. Kendall, any other questions. 612 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 4: Well, I was going to ask if you guys would 613 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: ever get a pet, but it sounds like. 614 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: You want so, kendle As. We'll wrap on this because 615 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: that's a good one. We don't even do great with plants. 616 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: I've killed three orchids we have tried to keep. Everybody 617 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: was telling me orchids, you don't really need to water them. 618 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: They don't take that much water. 619 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: A few ice cubes in them. 620 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be out of town. It's fine. No, 621 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: they're dead. We have three hundred dollars down the. 622 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Drink, three bare stems right now and we haven't even 623 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: removed those. No, so we look at it as a 624 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: piece of art now. 625 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: I mean, a joke I've always made about myself is 626 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 2: I don't do well with living things that rely on 627 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: other living things to survive. 628 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: You know what, I'll throw this out there too. And 629 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: I love pets. You love pets too, You love dogs, 630 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I do too. 631 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't love dogs. 632 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: You that by the way, you want to talk about 633 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 2: something that people judge, and that is a polarizing thing 634 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: to say if it's a hot take. 635 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: I don't love dogs. 636 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: Other people will see they'll like see a dog out 637 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: in public and say, oh, what a cute dog, and 638 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: they'll want to pet it. 639 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: I never have that instinct. 640 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: I like a small, non shedding dog that I know 641 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: those dogs are. I'm not reaching for the dogs. This 642 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: is a very hot take. Please, I promise I'm a 643 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: loving person. 644 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: Lauren Ziema Chris P. 645 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: Harris. 646 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: I'm not a Disney villain with a heart of ice. 647 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: I'm not. But I'm just not a big dog person. 648 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: But a I'm telling you pets dogs can be even 649 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: more time consuming because that's true. 650 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: At a certain point a child is going to be 651 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: able to take care of themselves. 652 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: You can never leave the dog. You gotta go home 653 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: and let the dog exactly. 654 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a note for us. But 655 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: I loved talking about this topic. It's something that you 656 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: and I get asked a lot. 657 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: But also I was a little nervous to get into this. 658 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: I think I was too, because. 659 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm afraid I don't want to offend anyone, and I 660 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: don't want anyone to feel so I hope we've explained 661 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: ourselves well today. And like also with again the note 662 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: that I think this is such a personal decision, and. 663 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you do you? And also your mind 664 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: can change. 665 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: I mean I have said to you straight up, being honest, 666 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: trying to talk about everything before we get married, and 667 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: I said this to you a while ago actually, but 668 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: I said, what if in five years I feel differently? 669 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: What if I wake up and I change my mind? 670 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: What if I have some kind of life experience where 671 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden I feel totally differently, Just like 672 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: when my dad died it made me feel totally differently 673 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: about some things. 674 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I will say again, having a 675 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: conversation I think is really important and responsible to start, 676 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: but nothing set in stone. I mean that cement doesn't dry. 677 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to evolve. You 678 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: have to be able to rethink and restructure your life, 679 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: and as your spouse, as your lover in all ways, 680 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: you got to be understanding of that. You've got to 681 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: be willing to have that conversation. It doesn't mean you're 682 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: just like okay, but it means you've got to be 683 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: willing to open your heart to see what that looks 684 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: like and have that discussion. And maybe you're bringing up alternatives, 685 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: like maybe it makes sense for us to adopt, maybe 686 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense to whatever. But I think you have 687 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: to be open and understanding enough to realize that because 688 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: somebody said something five years ago, ten years ago, heart, mind, soul, 689 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: body can change because life changes. 690 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: It's okay either way, you know. 691 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: The way I guess I look at it is I've 692 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: been on both sides of the fence. I was the 693 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: guy that knew he was going to be a dad. 694 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dad. That was a goal 695 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: of mine, that was my life. I for sure wanted 696 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: to have kids. But I am now in the other camp, 697 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: so I can see it from both sides now, which 698 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: I guess makes it a little easier to discuss because 699 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: I understand those feelings of oh my gosh, like that's 700 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: all I want, But now I also appreciate it's not 701 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: what everyone wants, and I think that's what we all 702 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: need to appreciate. And now also, I think we're all 703 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more educated on getting pregnant and the 704 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: things that other people have been through to be maybe 705 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more sensitive about just going up and saying, Hey, 706 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: when are you gonna have kids? 707 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 3: Hey, when are you gonna get a dog? 708 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: Hey, y'all gonna get another orchid. But reach out to 709 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: us on social media. We appreciate it. That's what prompted 710 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: this talk today, and that's what we like doing, is 711 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: discussing things that you guys want to dive into. And 712 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: we will be doing it a lot more because we 713 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 714 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, 715 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 716 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.