1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: I want to bring you a really disturbing story that 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: came across my new speed that just shows you how 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the Republican cult, white supremacists, transphobic wool parties policies are 6 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: transcending outside of the United States and has global reach. 7 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about this story, folks, just prepare 8 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: yourself for this. A nine year old girl. This is 9 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: according to The Daily Beast, a nine year old Canadian 10 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: girl was left visibly shaking and sobbing. Why you ask, 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: will let me tell you because she was accused by 12 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: a grown ass fucking man of being transgender at a 13 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: school track meet. Let me just say this again. A 14 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: nine year old little elementary school girl who was in 15 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: the middle of a shot put competition was berated by 16 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: a man who has been identified as Joseph Tessar for 17 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: stopping the event and asking the officials if this was 18 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: a mixed competition. He further claimed that he wanted to 19 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: know whether or not this was a girl's event. He 20 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: says that the mother of the child that he yelled at, 21 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: shouted out him and said, do you want to see 22 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: her naked? Do you need to see her genitals? Folks? 23 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: This is at a fucking kids track meet. It happened 24 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: in British Columbia. The man who was screaming at the 25 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: child used phrases like groomers, pedophiles, and genital mutilators. By 26 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the way, the little girl that he was yelling at 27 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: as a ciss gender nine year old shot put her. 28 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: This is what the Republican white supremacist hate group formerly 29 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: noticed the Republican Party has done. How their message, which 30 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: has proliferated outside of the borders of our country and 31 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: is spreading their hate around the world. Let me just 32 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: repeat to you what you already know because we've discussed 33 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: it during our Pride month. Trans people make up about 34 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: one million people in the entire United States one million. 35 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: The US population in comparison is three hundred and thirty 36 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: million people. Trans athletes make up about one hundred not 37 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, not one hundred million, one hundred spread 38 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: across the United States. But you see, the trans community, 39 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: because of its very small size, because of bigotry and hatred, 40 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: is low hanging fruit for the Republican Party, because they 41 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: can create a boogeyman and a monster, tell you about 42 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: scary people in bathrooms, tell you about scary books that 43 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, equity and justice and treating people 44 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: with kindness. They can talk to you about all of 45 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: these scary things because in the grand scheme of this 46 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: country right now, only about thirty percent of Americans know 47 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: somebody who is trans. That leaves seventy percent of the 48 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: population that has never come into contact with somebody that 49 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: is trans. So you can fill that gap with bigotry 50 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: and hatred as a way to distract from the policies 51 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: that aren't being created to actually keep people safe, like oh, 52 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't know gun reform, or I don't know climate change, 53 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: or I don't know education reform or voting reform or 54 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: policing reform or anything anything that could actually help secure 55 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: our country, make our citizens safe, and allow us all 56 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: to live free in this quote unquote democratic society. But 57 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: you see, Republicans don't want to create policy that matters 58 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: because they know that none of the things that they 59 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: believe in register nationally with the people of this country. 60 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: So instead of them focusing on creating policies that would 61 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: actually compete with the Democratic Party and actually compete for 62 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: people's votes. Instead, they give you somebody to fear, somebody 63 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: to hate, because it's easier to do that than actually 64 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: do anything that makes your life and the life of 65 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: your children, your family better. One hundred trans students across 66 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: this fucking country, and they have rolled out over five 67 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: hundred policy bills for this imaginary monster. Do you know 68 00:06:52,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: what trans people want? They want what all fucking people want, dignity, respect, 69 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: the ability to live their lives inside of their bodies, 70 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: inside of their skin, free from harm, free from abuse, 71 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: free from discrimination. But that's not what the Republican Party wants. 72 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: They don't want that for trans people, and they sure 73 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: as fuck don't want that for the rest of us. 74 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: They want you to conform, They want you restricted, they 75 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: want your thoughts minimized, they want your critical thinking erased, 76 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: they want you subjugated. And where they start, dear friends, 77 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: is with the transgender community. Because, unlike the larger lgb 78 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: plus community, which has a majority of people in this 79 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: country know somebody that is lesbian, gay, or bisexual, a 80 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: majority of people in this country right have somebody within 81 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: their family, somebody whom they know so they can defend 82 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: right said person because they have real life experience. The 83 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: fact is, you shouldn't have to know somebody in order 84 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: to treat a community with dignity and respect. You should 85 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: see another human being targeted and think about how you 86 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: would feel if it were you, knowing that you indeed 87 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: are next. We have got to be better, folks, and 88 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: we have got to come together as a collective, as 89 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: a collective group of humans that care about the future 90 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: of our humanity and our democracy that is under attack. 91 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: You should need to know somebody black. You should need 92 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: to know somebody trans, You should need to know somebody Latin. Now, 93 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: you should need to know somebody that is Asian American 94 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: to see that when one community is being targeted, we 95 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: are all being targeted. We are the majority, so let's 96 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: start fucking acting like it. Coming up next, dear friends, 97 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: my conversation with Jonathan Hamilt, the founder and the director 98 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: of Drag Story Our folks, I am very excited to 99 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:51,239 Speaker 1: welcome to WOKF Daily for the very first time Jonathan Hamilt, 100 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: who is the executive director of a Drag Story Time 101 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: and Jonathan. First off, I I wanted you to talk 102 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: about Drag story Time for those people who have only 103 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: ever heard about it, you know, from the headlines that 104 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: have been made over the last I guess year of 105 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: drag story Times being banned, and all of these attacks 106 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: tell people about like the beauty of drag story Time, 107 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: the history of drag story Time, the creation of drag 108 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: story Time. 109 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. This is awesome. 110 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: Happy pride, Thank you, Happy pride to you. 111 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: So Drag Story Hour is exactly like it sounds. It's 112 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: drag artists, kings, queens and all other non binary royal 113 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: beings that read to kids and public schools and libraries 114 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: all across the country. And we've been around since twenty fifteen. 115 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: But I'm sure there's been many queer people in costume 116 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: reading the kids since the dawn of time. We were 117 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: just the first ones to really organize it and kind 118 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: of replicate our best practices and share resources and kind 119 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: of make it a really organized thing. 120 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: And even just your description of saying, oh, yes, I'm 121 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: pretty sure there have been people that have dressed up 122 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: and read to kids since the beginning of time, which 123 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: is what this is, right, it is about. You know, 124 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: I've always understood it as a way to spark imagination 125 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: and creativity and a way to actually bring story to life. 126 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: Is that how you have seen like the the experience 127 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: and the kind of the essence around drag. 128 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, drag is like it's a form of play as praxies. 129 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, drag is a great tool and 130 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: a great study for kids to learn about resilience and 131 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: strength in creativity and kind of see the world in 132 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: a different way, you know, are one of our objectives 133 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: is to kind of really think outside of a binary system. 134 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: And before kids are baked, baked into societable norms, they 135 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: have like freedom of expression and creativity to kind of 136 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: explore whatever they want to explore with without being told, oh, no, 137 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: you can't do that the society says, you know, blues 138 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: for boys, or you know, whatever the case may be. 139 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: So drag can be like a great window and mirror 140 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: for kids to access really creative channels. 141 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, what do you make then based on your 142 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: description and how you understand and how you have understood 143 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: your work and the history of drag. This the attack, 144 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: the attacks that the community is under the year are 145 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: now that is being stoked in all of these places 146 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: like Kentucky and Alabama and Florida and Texas, and the 147 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: list is so long that I can't even remember all 148 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: of the states where drag is now banned. What do 149 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: you make of the reasoning behind these attacks? 150 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, queer people, the LGBT community 151 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: has always been you know, under attacked, and there's there's 152 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: always been having hate crimes, and there's always there's always 153 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: been rampant homophobia and transphobia. But with this recent iteration 154 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: that's twenty twenty three, it's obviously very apparent that people 155 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: very homophobic and transphobic, and Drag Story Hour and programs 156 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: like ours are I think, just a scapegoat to what's 157 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: really going on, which is transphobia and trans missogity, and 158 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: people can't pinpoint it. But it's not about drag, it's 159 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: not about protecting the children. It's about legislating queer people 160 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: out of existence and having control over people's bodies and 161 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: having control over people's self expression and art, which is 162 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: extremely dangerous. And if this isn't a red flag for 163 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: someone who is not even in a martialized community or 164 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, gay or anything, it should be a red 165 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: flag that a big group of people want to censor 166 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: books and art forms and speech. That's kind of a 167 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: terrifying thing to think about. So it's part of a 168 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: larger ripple effect, and sadly drag is in the middle 169 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: of everything going on. 170 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, I have spoken to a lot of people 171 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: over the course of the last you know, year plus 172 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: across the LGBTQ community because one, you know, there was 173 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: a time when we were all celebrating in twenty fifteen 174 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: the creation of drag Story hour for you all. But 175 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, when I was celebrating the fact that the 176 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: White House had turned rainbow, where like the work that 177 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: I'd been doing on the front lines of the LGBTQ community, 178 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, We've made it, you know, here, 179 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: here we have arrived. What do you make of kind 180 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: of the the that celebratory moment, right And I don't 181 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: know if if the creation of drag Story are also 182 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: coincided or just happened to be. You know that during 183 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: that twenty fifteen year, we saw marriage equality passed, we 184 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: saw the White House turn rainbow. We you know, there 185 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: were representation of more queer people in government than we'd 186 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: ever seen. And now you have but a handful of 187 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: years later, this return to the dark ages, This this 188 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: return to a time where I just got an article 189 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: sent to me about queer youth and the toll, the 190 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: emotional toll that all of this hatred is taking. So 191 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: how do you kind of see this sea change and 192 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: also its effects that it's having on queer youth. 193 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in twenty fifteen, we were in a 194 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: very different place obviously, you know, with marriage equality passing 195 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: on a national level, Story Hour being birthed in the 196 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: middle or the start of the Trump presidency, it was 197 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: a whole different time. And you know, with marriage equality 198 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: and you know, more representation than politics of queer people, 199 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: it kind of showed the country in the world like, oh, hey, 200 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: you know, gay people are just like you. We just 201 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: want to get married and we want to have kids, 202 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: and we can run for office, and we're citizens that 203 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: pay our taxes and we're you know, we all go 204 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: to the bathroom and you know, go to work and 205 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: do everything that everyone does. But with that said, Story Hour, 206 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: the progression of like gay rights and queer rights has 207 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: changed a lot because Story Hour doesn't work in the 208 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: binary and doesn't fit into this kind of like you know, 209 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: a patriarchical, capitalistic view. It's not cut and dry like 210 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: marriage equality. It's not you know, it's not Pete for president. 211 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: It's a little more complex and nuanced, and a lot 212 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: of people don't understand the rich intersectionalities of queer culture 213 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: and how a bunch of different marginalized groups can merge 214 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: together and create new culture and new waves. And not 215 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: everybody's going to fit into this like white, patriarchal, monogamous 216 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: you know, thing that we've been told forever, and Story 217 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: Hour really breaks that out, and it's a whole different 218 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: wave of rights and the movements for like queer families 219 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: and queer youth zerbe lives their lives differently. 220 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: And do you think that that was part of do 221 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: you think, you know, Jonathan, that that was kind of 222 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: part of the problem with the way that marriage equality 223 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: was pushed, which was like we're just like you, you know, 224 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: we want the same things as opposed to this expansive 225 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: thought of what queerness actually was and is like that 226 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: is that has been part of the that has been 227 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: part of the problem. 228 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, I wish the gay agenda 229 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: was that organized with a nice clear out, nice clear outline. 230 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: But you know, whether you're whether you're gay or straight. 231 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: You know, people either believe a marriage or get married 232 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: or they don't. And that's no different for a queer 233 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: person or a straight person. And the great thing about 234 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: being queer is there's no right or wrong way to 235 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: be queer. So a lot of people in the community 236 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 3: want to get married and want to have that union 237 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 3: and have a family, which is great, and other people 238 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: want that and or something totally different. And it's you know, 239 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: important to recognize that families and structures look totally different 240 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: and that not everything is going to fit into this 241 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: pretty kind of nineteen fifties box that we think things 242 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 3: should look like. 243 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, can you speak to what is happened 244 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: with drag story time in different locations around the country. 245 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: I know that you're in New York like I am, 246 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: and so I mean, but there was a protest that 247 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: I did read about that happened. I guess it was 248 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys that showed up or whoever it was 249 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: that showed up at some library where there was a 250 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: story time that was happening here in New York, and 251 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: I was absolutely appalled. But what can you speak to 252 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: what is happening or what you have heard happening in 253 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: other places where now it's illegal. 254 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 255 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: What's interesting about, you know, the rise of protests against 256 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: our program is many of the people that are against 257 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: it are not part of the community. So they'll either 258 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: try community. 259 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: That it's happening in. 260 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll either drive in or fly in or make 261 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: phone calls from out of state. And it's just it's 262 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: just silly that somebody is going to spend all this 263 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: time and attention going out of their way to protest 264 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: literacy or something different, you know. And different parts of 265 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: the country are facing different challenges. You know, in the 266 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: rural South, we have a lot of you know, BIPOC 267 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: trans performers. And if you're you know, a trans woman 268 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: of color that does drag in the South where drag 269 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: is banned, you could be arrested for just living your life. 270 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: If you're stopped at a stoplight and your gender market 271 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: doesn't match the clothing assigned that it's opposed to, you 272 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: could be arrested for quote, being in drag in public 273 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: and be put into prison for six years as a 274 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: sex offender. So these anti drag bills and laws are 275 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: really harmful for our trans community, and they specifically target 276 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: people that aren't wearing clothes that fit their you know, 277 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: sex at birth and drag is an art form where 278 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: you can take off and on and it's theater. But 279 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: for the trans community, this isn't theater. Is their lives 280 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: and gender. For me, clothing and appearance is you know, 281 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: part of who we all are and taking that away 282 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: is really dangerous. 283 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: I know that within you know, and I have experienced 284 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: this that within the LGBTQ community there has often times 285 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: also been discrimination against the trans community. And so, in 286 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: your opinion, what does solidarity and like real strengthening of 287 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: community look like in this moment when we know specifically 288 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: that this isn't just about the costume, Like you said 289 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: that you can take on and off for drag, but 290 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: this is actually real people's lives, right, and the trans 291 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: community has often been the letter of the alphabet that 292 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: has been left behind in a lot of ways in 293 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: the progress that has been made. So for you, in 294 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: your mind, what does solidarity and community strengthening look like 295 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: at this time? 296 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's it's a really big conversation 297 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: that we're having currently within the community and figuring out 298 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: what does you know, true allyship look like and not 299 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: just performative work. And for so long the focus has 300 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: been on like this, like cis White male gayness, which 301 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: has kind of been the front runner of the movement 302 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: for a long time. But you know, with all these intersectionalities, 303 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: all these different groups, there's all these different tiers of community, right, 304 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: So you have like the big umbrella of like LGBT, 305 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: but you could have you know, you know, POC queer people, 306 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: and within that community there could be like disabled poc 307 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: queers and it just kind of there's all these different 308 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: levels of community, right, and kind of until we lift 309 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: up the most marginalized group and we're all bringing each 310 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: other up together on that most impacted level, that's probably 311 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: the only time we're going to actually have real equity 312 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: and really bring everyone up at the same time, to 313 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: have a space for everyone at the table. When like 314 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: that group of like two spirited drag performers that no 315 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: one even thinks about when they're getting lifted up, then 316 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: we're all going to be lifted up. So it just 317 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: takes a lot of work, and you know, realizing that 318 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: we're not the center of the world, and like there 319 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: are other people out there that need help too. 320 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: So, yeah, last question for you for people that are 321 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: listening and you know, they may be allies, they may 322 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: be a part of the community, but they are really 323 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: struggling with how they can help, how they can help, 324 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: whether it is in protecting organizations like yours, protecting the 325 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: community writ large. What advice do you give to them? 326 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I figure if you really want to be a 327 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: good ally and help, just ask, just ask the community 328 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: what they want. Don't just assume that a social media 329 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: post will do it or donating to some really big 330 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: nonprofit or really overarching thing. Really ask community, what do 331 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: you need? Do you need resources? Do you need money? 332 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: And do you need an event space? Do you need security? 333 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: Do you need artists? You know, a photographer? Like, what 334 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: do you need from us? Do you need to be silent? 335 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: You need need to speak up for you? What does 336 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: a defender of your group look like? So with Story Hour, 337 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: you know, we have a lot of protests, obviously, but 338 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: we've a lot of defenders that come out and support 339 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 2: Story Hour. But sometimes the people that defend us just 340 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: yell back at opposition, which they should be yelled at. 341 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes communities need more than you just 342 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: defending them and defending yelling back at haters may not 343 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: be always the best thing in community needs. So just 344 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: I guess asking, Yeah, what do you need from me? 345 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: And I'll sit and I'll listen, and I'll help out 346 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: the best I can. 347 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Appreciate you, and please tell people how Jonathan, that they 348 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: can find their next Drag Story Hour, how they can 349 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: connect with you and your organization. 350 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, find us on Facebook, Instagram and for the gen 351 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: zsor on the TikTok so follow us along our events 352 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: calendar on our Facebook page. Will have events all over 353 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: the country and you can always catch our Virtual Story 354 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: Hour online. So stay safe and have a happy pride. 355 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate you. I'm happy pride to you. 356 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends, on Woke 357 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: a f as always Power to the people and to 358 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.