WEBVTT - Ep. 260: The Wet Spot

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<v Speaker 1>This is Me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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<v Speaker 1>where you stand with on X? All right, everybody? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>first thing, I was gonna start off talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>disappointed I am at Chester's job, of the how bad

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<v Speaker 1>of a job he did it hanging up some things

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<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to hang up in the studio here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's horrible. He doesn't hang him up like I do. No,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're they're they go together, but they're cock eyed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then he allowed. But what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about instead? Yeah, I mean the fray. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>pissport frame job. But it didn't improve any with the

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<v Speaker 1>hanging got good thing. You were in in Mexico with

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<v Speaker 1>us because someone else followed Chester's grocery list that he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote up for us, and you wouldn't believe what was

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<v Speaker 1>on it. More so, what was we had literally stacks

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<v Speaker 1>towers of containers of doughnuts. There's never been a donut

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<v Speaker 1>on a media shoot. Ever, I donuts, man, Um, what

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<v Speaker 1>else was there? Seth that was really out of place? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Soda pop, multiple cases of SODA's. I'm like coach right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in Mexico, we'll sometimes get to thinking I

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<v Speaker 1>might like a soda water, but then I drink half

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<v Speaker 1>of it and I just feel like going to brushing

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<v Speaker 1>my teeth. Yeah. Well, when you're down there, you get

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in because it's like the special Mexican soda

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<v Speaker 1>that you they were, Yeah, you do get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Instead, we're gonna talk about part two, so

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't really matter to you folks, but the

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<v Speaker 1>more episode. We've got more episodes up on Netflix starting

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<v Speaker 1>uh February seventeen. February seventeen, four days after I turned

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<v Speaker 1>a whopping can you believe it? I can been alive

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<v Speaker 1>that long? Yeah, and you're still tearing up the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like an inspiration for old people. Yeah, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing good. I think. Uh. Five new episodes up on

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix starting February seventeenth, and good ones, man, you know

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<v Speaker 1>throwaway episodes Good Ones coming up. Um. I'm pointing this

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<v Speaker 1>out because I like this person's name Sondra. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you if your name is Sandra? What is your name

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<v Speaker 1>Sandra Sonja? Yeah, I would pronounce that Sonya. Oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>still do it anyway. I was mostly interested in her name.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know what, there's this artist. Check this out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this artist. She's not you. You wouldn't freaking believe here.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about someone who's good at making art. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite you know, my favorite artist is Seth girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't don't be thinking that that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But this Seth Plugger. What's her instagram? Yea, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't listen, I'm gonna talk about another artist. But this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't This is meant all a rising tide, Seth, A

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<v Speaker 1>rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah, see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's I'm being metaphorical for sure. Okay now

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<v Speaker 1>this okay? Plug her ka underscore Ray John's. Yeah, she's

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<v Speaker 1>emerging as um emerging as the greatest wildlife artist of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Meanwhile, hot on her heels. There's an artist

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<v Speaker 1>her on her Her instagram is Jamie Wild Art. Jamie

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<v Speaker 1>Wild Art. She does these like things of dogs that

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<v Speaker 1>look like it's like I can't even tell I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of guy that measures art as being that

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<v Speaker 1>it looks a lot like a photo, but like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, but it's so weird, like look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a pencil drawing. It's like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like only when you leave it like unfinished, you realize

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<v Speaker 1>what you're looking at. Anyways, she's offering to make me

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<v Speaker 1>an art piece, and I've been telling her I want

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<v Speaker 1>an art piece of wolves killing a buffalo, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want I want it to be like actually with

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<v Speaker 1>its guts hanging out, like like mortally wounded, but still

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<v Speaker 1>on its feet, with one of them pulling at its

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<v Speaker 1>intestines and stuff. And I said, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>squash you creative, but that's what I'm picturing when I

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<v Speaker 1>closed my eyes, and she's gonna try to work it

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<v Speaker 1>up nice, I'll be sweet. Uh how did I get

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<v Speaker 1>on there? Oh, sony, because Krane made those duck feet

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<v Speaker 1>earrings with my little daughter wore around a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then our dog, your dog ate one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my pair of earrings is now earring, She say,

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<v Speaker 1>more in line for like a guy with one earring.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she swallow the metal too. We can't figure out

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<v Speaker 1>she got it, and we can't find the metal and she,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think an X ray maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>order because she's fine, Okay, I mean it was like

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<v Speaker 1>she's weird stuff. She had a game bag once. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the what like, you know, the wires all hooked

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<v Speaker 1>and were those from your speckle belly feet? No, um no,

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<v Speaker 1>there there were. I think there. I couldn't. I separated

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<v Speaker 1>my some of the speckled belly feet from the specs,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's a thing about not being able to

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<v Speaker 1>transport that, so I left them there. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>have also I also have frozen geese with the feet on,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think if I defrost them and make earrings

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<v Speaker 1>out of that, it's just not the same because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like all wet and frozen and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to dry out the same way. There's not

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<v Speaker 1>that much water and those things. Anyways, you're golden. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>make another pair. Sonia Sondio she makes Kyote bacculammear rings,

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<v Speaker 1>which you're great, beautiful, But the weird part of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I bring it up is um so she makes

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<v Speaker 1>like kyote packerbone earrings but she points out that her

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<v Speaker 1>husband does not. She kind of like spells it like trump,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all upper case, does not like these. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why you can't even come up with one

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<v Speaker 1>reason that Her husband went like, well, does it feel

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<v Speaker 1>like is he like jealous of the kyo? Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand, Like what is he like does he feel

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like emblematic of him being emasculated? Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand, Like what's not to like about it? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that, Uh, the same people that probably

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<v Speaker 1>just get a little squeamish when you're just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>pecker bones might get a little squeamish and uncomfortable when

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<v Speaker 1>their wife is has a peckerbone hanging off her ear. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm always telling people they might need

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<v Speaker 1>to get a new wife of this girl might need

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<v Speaker 1>to get a new husband. When we're when we're coon

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<v Speaker 1>hunting down in Arkansas, we should bring those pecker bones

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<v Speaker 1>back for current so she can make some big earrings.

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<v Speaker 1>Many I'll get my ears pierced if I had at

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<v Speaker 1>of those. Yeah, oh man, that would be epic. I

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<v Speaker 1>thinks Steve needs like a single piercing. Who's that dude?

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<v Speaker 1>That used to do sixty minutes had that earringley Good job, dog,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about you up there. That's dog during ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just here for information. Uh, Clay Nucomb is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be making a video for the meat eata dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and how to make a raccoon vacuum makes it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna make a video about how to steal it

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<v Speaker 1>from the radcousy, how to clean it. Maybe exactly at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, you're just like a drill bit away from

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<v Speaker 1>having earrings. So check that video out. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into Clay's business and just make videos about stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting to me. Um, you kind of do, but

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<v Speaker 1>just like quicker turn, you know, a quick turn. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>We never talked about this last time, but we teed

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<v Speaker 1>it up because I was talking about how I remember

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<v Speaker 1>how like when uh who was it? John no? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>That like when Elvis died as Colin was supposy pack

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<v Speaker 1>full of cheeseburgers, and um, we covered on this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We cat quite a few episodes ago. We covered about

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<v Speaker 1>this thousand year old like a mummified a mummified carcass.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a thousand years old from a man I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember wearing in the desert southwest, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>had evidence of having um uh you know, a disorder

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<v Speaker 1>that caused him to have this enlarged uh colon. And

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<v Speaker 1>how I had two point five see what this guy

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<v Speaker 1>had two point five pounds of what what? This guy

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't realize. This guy is pointing out that that's not

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<v Speaker 1>that bad. Two point five pounds a feaces and the

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<v Speaker 1>colon is not bad. But this is a mummified colon, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's just different. So it's not with them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the hell it would weighed with

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<v Speaker 1>all the moisture in it. Either way, what was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about this individuals They were doing some work on this

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<v Speaker 1>and they realized that he'd probably died from this disorder

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<v Speaker 1>he had, but in the final days or weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>his life, he had been eating um grasshoppers with the

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<v Speaker 1>legs and head removed. I believe so like the softer

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<v Speaker 1>what's that part of a bug, the abdomen or the

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<v Speaker 1>thorax off a grasshopper, like the soft part? Believe, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the upper part. I'm developing that problem with

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer that I used to have with Rick, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel that they'll know something yeah, but they don't. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot on the line here. If I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say, but I was waiting for I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think special will go the lengths of like to

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<v Speaker 1>hide the Yeah, he just like, yeah, he starts just

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<v Speaker 1>digging a hole. If he doesn't know, he like. He's

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<v Speaker 1>good at he's good at making you feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>he knows. In fact, he might not know. Uh. This

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<v Speaker 1>guy bad mole from this two point five pound colon

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<v Speaker 1>was telling us that at the Philadelphia Mutter Museum, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what that is. I trusted it's real. They

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<v Speaker 1>have on display a colon of a man who was

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<v Speaker 1>born in the eight hundreds who at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>death had a colon. It was forty pounds forty pound coal.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds painful. That killed him. That would be a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth Now how much do I weigh? I can't do

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<v Speaker 1>the math quick enough. That'd be like a lot. That'd

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<v Speaker 1>be a huge colon for me. That's terrible. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it if the picture wasn't there, Like no, but

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like a dried out because there's nothing for scale.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have put a burger next to it. If

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<v Speaker 1>they had a cheeseburger next to it, because right now

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could be looking at a scant yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe like a like a one pound or even

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<v Speaker 1>two pound ribby next to it. Yeah, well burgers like,

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<v Speaker 1>but a burger is more kind of like a burgers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a known size. Yeah, but we can put

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<v Speaker 1>a river by by it. It's it's looking like a

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<v Speaker 1>dry out nightcrawler. I think it looks like a coyote scat.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, yeah, like a crawler that got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they'll get themselves caught up after a rainstorm. They

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<v Speaker 1>come out and then it dries up. Well no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're right, like when you find them at your

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<v Speaker 1>dry wherever. I'm talking at too about how now and

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<v Speaker 1>then one will get out of the bedding and get

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<v Speaker 1>up around the lip of the worm container and then

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<v Speaker 1>he'll get in a tight spot get all dried out. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Another piece of interesting feedback, a law enforcement officer rode in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about stacking charges on people. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that that In a recent episode, I was discussing

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<v Speaker 1>how there's like, for instance, there's a there's a prohibition.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, states all have prohibitions on bartering and trading

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<v Speaker 1>um wildlife meaning is technically illegal for you to say

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<v Speaker 1>to your body like, hey, uh, I just caught a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of walleye. If you want to bring me by

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<v Speaker 1>a backstrap off your buck, I'll hit choose the walleife

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<v Speaker 1>fleas Like you're technically breaking the law. You're you're like

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<v Speaker 1>formally bartering. Now. Were you to say to your buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>I love you so much, Um, here's some walleife flays

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<v Speaker 1>and your buddy says, by god, I love you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a backstrap. Everybody's cool, okay, but it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>formal bartering. And I was talking about how this guy

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<v Speaker 1>in Wyoming, uh, an attorney in Wyoming, he's done a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work for the Fishing Game Agency, had said,

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<v Speaker 1>the only time we ever hit anybody with that in

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<v Speaker 1>some other arcane or not arcane, some other little known

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<v Speaker 1>laws is one where really stacking a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on someone like you got a real bad character and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make sure that something sticks on him.

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<v Speaker 1>After plea bargaining and everything, you started adding on all

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<v Speaker 1>these things that you'd otherwise never go and apply to anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy writes in that he had this dude

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<v Speaker 1>who became he had this meth head. Um, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>a meth amphetamine addict. He says, what we refer to

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<v Speaker 1>as a meth head who he even he even names

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. Can we talk about this guy's name. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what his initials are. I just noticed his

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<v Speaker 1>initials are BS. Not making this up. BS became a

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<v Speaker 1>a C unit specialist, became a specialist at stealing a

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<v Speaker 1>C units. In one night, stole out of an apartment building.

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<v Speaker 1>Help me out with this, Help me out out of

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<v Speaker 1>an apartmability one night stole eight a C units. M Hm,

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<v Speaker 1>they were working the case. But you gotta say what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing with until it makes sense, is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was pulling the copper like it was just the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he figured out how to make quick money

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<v Speaker 1>was to pull an a C unit, pull the copper

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<v Speaker 1>from it, and then sell it. You know at that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess some kind of like a salvage yard of

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<v Speaker 1>recycling center, and then go buy his drugs, which causes

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars in damage, and he yields about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in copper. Each one yields fifty bucks in copper

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<v Speaker 1>said talking about not and I don't want to name

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<v Speaker 1>these guys I went to high school with. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>some guys in high school. The hot wired a bulldozer.

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<v Speaker 1>Went to a construction site, hot wired a bulldozer, use

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<v Speaker 1>the bulldoz. These guys, these dudes could take I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was before. I think these guys could take like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a piece of heavy equipment apart. And as

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<v Speaker 1>they take it apart, they would just throw all the bolts.

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<v Speaker 1>They could take your truck like apart, throw all the

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<v Speaker 1>bolts into a five gallon bucket. I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of ship. Put all the bolts in a

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<v Speaker 1>five gallon bucket, and then turn around and put that

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<v Speaker 1>thing back together the way they found it. Mechanical geniuses.

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<v Speaker 1>They hot wire a bulldozer, stole a giant coil of

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<v Speaker 1>coated copper cable, got a big ripping fire going burned

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<v Speaker 1>all the coating off. Like at a point you could

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<v Speaker 1>just get a job. I mean, like the model of

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<v Speaker 1>like work and risk and stuff involved this guy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>how much did they make off of that? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know remember what they made off? And that was like

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<v Speaker 1>their endgame. This copper, the copper is valuable. So they

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<v Speaker 1>went through all this and then had to burn all

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<v Speaker 1>the coating off and burned all the coating off in

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<v Speaker 1>the fire and had like a big black blob or there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like they're just the kind of guys that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like having a boss. Then it sounds like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a dude that got I was telling you about. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he got caught poaching elk up on my hunting camp

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania. He shot that bullet, scored scored four sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't even make sense that a bull could score

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<v Speaker 1>four sixty. Well it did, I believe you. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>showed me the article. He was just doing it to

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<v Speaker 1>cut the antlers off and sell him. It's like, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you just get a job, because you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to you don't have a job shooting out When did

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<v Speaker 1>this happen? But burning copper? Coding? Like if you put

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<v Speaker 1>to me like, hey man, I got a job for

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<v Speaker 1>you in which you'll go shoot four sixty bulls or

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<v Speaker 1>you can go make a fire and burn copper. That's true,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think he's still sitting in prison for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so this this officer starts working this case

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<v Speaker 1>and he knows that when he gets this guy for

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<v Speaker 1>stealing a C units, nothing's gonna happen to him. Keep

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<v Speaker 1>reading this article, honestly, can help me out where I

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<v Speaker 1>run into trouble. Well, he winds up doing. Tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>what he winds up doing. Yeah, what the guys in

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<v Speaker 1>jail for. Yeah. He researches the e p A Clean

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<v Speaker 1>Air Act and violations that he could get under it,

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<v Speaker 1>and found out that, oh, let's see, this is which

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<v Speaker 1>tall Kansas. Yeah, federal, he's charging with federal EPA violations. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's housing a really nice federal prison. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I missed the part of for what what

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<v Speaker 1>the actual charge was too, But it's basically for releasing

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<v Speaker 1>free on into the air. I'm looking at the article

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yep. Faces he went to jail for this.

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<v Speaker 1>B S faces three counts of venting a class to

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<v Speaker 1>substance and violation of federal law. Each count carries a

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<v Speaker 1>potential sentence of five years, two or fifty and fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And you get that it's sort of like when they

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<v Speaker 1>cracked al Capone for tax evasion, rather than all the

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<v Speaker 1>people that he had murdered and all the other things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the one thing they could get him on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and O J O J ended up going to jail

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<v Speaker 1>for stealing his own T shirts, like for stealing his

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<v Speaker 1>own memorabilia, not for killing his wife and a waiter

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<v Speaker 1>with a knife. I think an interesting detail is that

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, this detective is from the Gang and Felony

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<v Speaker 1>Assault Unit investigations. So how he ended up prosecuting this

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<v Speaker 1>guy for a violation of the Clean Air Act is

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty Uh, that's a guy who's doing overtime. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The article said they still have like long term impact

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because this is a common method among meth

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<v Speaker 1>heads to like turn a dime. So they said anytime

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<v Speaker 1>anybody's doing this now they're going to get hit with

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<v Speaker 1>the E p A Act. Oh so it was a

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<v Speaker 1>common thing. It's you and a C unit, That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it made it sound like. Well that that was

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<v Speaker 1>a whole storyline. If anyone seemed the wire anyone on HBO,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's not the copper tubing. Well, the drug

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<v Speaker 1>addicts and the wire steel a bunch of copper from

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<v Speaker 1>construction sites and stuff to get drug money. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I get Yeah, one of my favorite short story Collections

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<v Speaker 1>of all Time is Dennis Johnson's Jesus Son and In

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<v Speaker 1>jesus Son. Yeah, it's name comes from the Velvet Underground.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when I'm rushing on my run and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel just like Jesus Son heroin um in it. These

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<v Speaker 1>two guys go and going to a house that's been

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<v Speaker 1>repossessed by the bank and spend their whole day busting

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<v Speaker 1>the walls out to get all the copper wiring out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. At some point, one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>wonders to the other guy who owns the house, and

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<v Speaker 1>the guy reveals that it's actually his house. And then

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<v Speaker 1>that night they have they go to the bar and

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<v Speaker 1>they talk about how the drinks take so much better

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<v Speaker 1>after a good day at hard work than like their

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<v Speaker 1>normal workless routine. Um, what do you think, Doug? We got?

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<v Speaker 1>How should we lay this out? How itch are you?

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<v Speaker 1>How itching? Nowre you to go? How itch nowre you

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<v Speaker 1>to tear it up? Or should we go into this

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<v Speaker 1>other thing we got to talk about? You talk about

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want. Man, I'm just here for the the duration,

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<v Speaker 1>So whenever you want to come to me, oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be here, You'll be You'll be here waiting. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>owe me one and fifty dollars. Doug, Yeah, that's on

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<v Speaker 1>the way. Doug and made a four years ago, four

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<v Speaker 1>years ago or some amount of time for over four

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<v Speaker 1>years ago that Doug felt that that Trump wouldn't finish

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<v Speaker 1>his first term, and I was like, I think you will,

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<v Speaker 1>and Doug out all. I had it around the Mueller probe.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all excited around the Ukraine probe. I got

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<v Speaker 1>all excited around the attempted coup. And then in the end, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>at the last minute, when he got excited about I

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<v Speaker 1>got so excited when he got that excited he um he.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if you're that excited, Doug, let's throw down

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<v Speaker 1>more money dogs like I need odds. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'll give it you to one odds. So

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<v Speaker 1>Doug puts another fifty in and then on the last

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<v Speaker 1>like the day before the inauguration, Doug he had some

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<v Speaker 1>other thing about well, you know, it's always like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what kind of helicopter mechanics they got down there,

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<v Speaker 1>but and dougs like, you know, and I said, Doug,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you ten to one if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>add more money to our bet. If you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>at the point where you're bank where it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a helicopter issue. So now Doug goes me hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>the bucks, which I need to use. I need the

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<v Speaker 1>money because I owe people money for the bet I

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<v Speaker 1>lost about I was I made two beats a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bucks apiece that he'd do a second term. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on your money to then turn around and send

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<v Speaker 1>that money plus fifty more dollars. So I'm still in

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<v Speaker 1>the hole on this whole thing. But I didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand. I am looking to make a thousand bucks

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<v Speaker 1>off pebble mind. Anyway, we'll come back to you, Doug. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh K, Spencer, get into this whole thing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>some interesting stuff, man. This is the kind of story

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<v Speaker 1>that starts making gravy. You know, it unmakes gravy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's kind of been that way. People were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to have it make gravy, but then the gravy

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<v Speaker 1>has rather than thickened, the gravy has thinned. Yeah. All

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<v Speaker 1>uh on that point, like there can you keep it

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<v Speaker 1>all in gravy terms? On that point. Before we started

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation, there was a quote, um, from a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>on this story that said, this is like a bad

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie. It's missing a lot of plot points, basically

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>implying that there's just not enough information yet right from investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we're gonna be talking about is a tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>that happened on Monday on Real Foot Lake in northwest Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta jump in, uh, Phil, you know real fote like,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've discussed it on the show you a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>and do you remember when you had to put in

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<v Speaker 1>the audio of how on Real Foot Lake they have

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<v Speaker 1>a calling strategy where you go I to call in

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<v Speaker 1>Mallard's that lake. Is this lake? Okay, that's there, So

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered is it. I'm guessing it's really popular then

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<v Speaker 1>massively duck hunting. So just so fills up speed and film.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can put that that guy yelling back in

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<v Speaker 1>again to remind people. M I I I, I'll interrupt

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<v Speaker 1>the hundred more times, but now you're right. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a historic duck hunting lake in the Mississippi Flyaway. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we're talking about the story, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to understand like a little bit about the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read the description from the Tennessee State Park website.

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<v Speaker 1>Real Foot Lake State Park is located in northwest corner

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<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee and is noted for its fishing, boating, and

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<v Speaker 1>wildlife viewing. Theft thousand acre lake was created by a

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<v Speaker 1>series of violent earthquakes in eighteen eleven and eighteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>that caused the Mississippi River to flow backwards for a

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<v Speaker 1>short period of time, creating real Foot Lake. So essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the new badge of earthquake. Yes, this is an enormous

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>water body with the average depth of six foot and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a giant flooded forest with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>vegetation on the surface and submerge cypress stumps. That ye,

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<v Speaker 1>earthquake right around the war was right around the ward.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you take the challenge when I asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the botanist Bradbury? I forgot about it almost immediately

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<v Speaker 1>after we hung up the phone, So I did not

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<v Speaker 1>take your challenge. There was a dude, There was an

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<v Speaker 1>English botanist that had come to America to do a survey,

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<v Speaker 1>a botany survey of the American West. He another thing

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<v Speaker 1>he was interested in. You know, people don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>people know this honey bees are not native here. And

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was interested in um check has checked in.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Bradbury. William was interested in that the

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<v Speaker 1>honey bees were always like ahead of civil ahead of civilization,

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<v Speaker 1>that they that that honeybees colonized land ahead of Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>But he comes out to do this deal, to do

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<v Speaker 1>this big uh gather up all this vegetation and he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to publish on you know, vegetation of the American West,

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<v Speaker 1>John Bradbury, John Bradbury. He's got like an assistant with him.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point he wraps up his project and sends

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant home with all these trunks full of all

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<v Speaker 1>of his samples, and he's got a fig or two

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to get taken care of, and gets way

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<v Speaker 1>laid by the new managed earthquake when the river flows backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets delayed by that and over this like changes his

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<v Speaker 1>route home and tries to go down through Louisiana. The

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<v Speaker 1>War of eighteen twelve starts up, and the guys like

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get back to it. He's like two years

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<v Speaker 1>late getting back. Now, if you're like two days later,

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<v Speaker 1>you get all stressed out. The guy that gets home

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<v Speaker 1>two years late. His assistant meanwhile steals his ship and

0:27:55.200 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and and publishes the piece she thought he was dead.

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we should get him on the podcast,

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>look him up, get him on the podcast. But did

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>you can get one of those those mediums, one of

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>those people that communicate. Did he contest it? Like, was

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 1>he able to get it back? Is under his name

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>or yeah? Something like that one on? But that my uh,

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that's why I was asking Spencer to dig in, but

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>he forgot about It's really you would just tell me

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>that flat out that you just she also chose not

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>out to the research. I'm not gonna be rick and

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>try to get in a hole here. You manage an

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>earthquake river the Wilco has a song or no what

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Wilco used to be before they're Wilco Uncle Tupelo. They

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>had a song about that earthquake go on. So what

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you about this murder is just what

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>has been said from the district attorney or what was

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>said on the Back to the Lodge podcast. Now, the

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>host of the Back to the Lodge podcast is a

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>friend of the witness to the murders, So I would

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>um lend some ability to what he had to say.

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>He's he's a secondhand person and uh, I would say,

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the best sources within the first three days

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>of this happening. Um, you're gonna ask me to clarify

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things or add more details and probably

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>not gonna have them. Well, I would just like to UM,

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually gonna lean away from my microphone after I

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 1>say this. I would like you to cover the ways

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>in which people, um sought to assign a narrative to

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>this that would uh support certain criticisms of hunting on

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>this lake. Okay, leaning back, So Monday morning, Yeah, in

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the date just because this is now, it's like February

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>fift but it happened with January. Oh, what we'll do

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>man later, we'll uh, I leaned back forward. UM, you

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>can just put your updates. We'll put like updates or something. Sure,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we we've been updating the story on our website, so

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>as like even more information becomes available, you'll find stuff there.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Certainly the story of change. By the time this episode drops.

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>This happened Monday morning, January. All that was really known

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was that a seven year old suspect was sought for

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>killing a twenty six year old and a twenty five

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>year old duck hunter. Early speculation on Facebook and forums

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>was that there was a dispute. There were local reporters

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>even reporting that there was a dispute. Some said it

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was over a blind. This lake is said to have

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>six hundred duck hunting blinds, a mix of private and public.

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Some of them you can earn by like being in

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a draw system, um. Some of them are like staked

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>out for the season from what I've understood some some

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>people said it was a dispute over a blind. Other

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>people said that it was an argument over sky busting

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>or shooting at swinging birds. The blinds tend to get

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>piled up on this lake in a way that if

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>ducks are decoying to one blind, somebody in another blind

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>could have the opportunity to shoot at those birds before

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>they make it to the hunter that's actually calling them.

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>So that was also in the early speculation Monday night

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that was sort of like the accepted story that this

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>seventy year old man left his blind, came over to

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the blind of the year old and year old and

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>shot him for sky busting birds or shooting at swinging ducks.

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>To his decoys and this UM. It was like it

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>had sort of become a story of the culture of

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Real foot Leg. When you saw this talked about on Facebook,

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>people were like, why am I not surprised? Like, of

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>course it was Real foot Leg. I knew right away

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:49.479
<v Speaker 1>when I heard this story there's gonna be a real

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>foot Leg. There's so many problems there with bullying and

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>intimidation UM and conflicts between non residents and residents and

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>guides and d I y ar is um that this

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>is just a product that has been boiling up for decades.

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>So that was like the early story of what had happened.

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>We've since learned that it seems as though that's not

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the reality of of what took place. So what I'll

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>what I'll tell you now is like what we've learned,

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>like I said, from the District Attorney and the podcast

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>UM where the host had sort of second and information

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>year old Zach Grooms, twenty year old Chance Black, and

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>fifty eight year old Jeff Crabtree got to their duck

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>mind about six am. On Real Foot Lake. At nine

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>or ten am, a boat approaches the blind. The person

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>in the boat is the suspect seventy year old David Vowel.

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>He asked if he can join the three hunters and

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>they said yes. Boal then loads his gun and shoots

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Grooms at point blank range in the chest. What has

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>been said on the podcast is that Um, the other

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>hunters thought that they just witnessed a tragic accident. They

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>rush over to Grooms and as they're like trying to

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>help Grooms, Vowel then shoots Black in the side, killing

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>him as well. So the seven year old has now

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>shot the twenty six year old and the year old

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>within minutes of arriving at their blind asking me if

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>he can hunt with them. So now we have the

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>seventy year old left and the fifty eight year old

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Crabtree left. Crabtree wrestles the gun away from Vowel,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>strikes him with the butt of the gun, knocks Vowel

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>into the lake, and throws the shotgun into the water.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>The water at their blind was about waist deep. Investigators

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>later recovered the gun and said a third shell was

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>in the gun, but it was jammed. Um. So some

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>have suspected that Vowel was also going to try to

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>shoot crab Tree. Now in Tennessee or it is probably

0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>a federal law. I guess right, you could have to

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>have a UG and you're gone. You can only have

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>three shells. So that was his third shell. Um. Nobody

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>has officially said that, right, vow was going to shoot Crabtree,

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>but that's some early speculation that this third shell was

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>jammed in the recovered show, did he have a if

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you had a semi auto, it just would have cycled

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>on its own. I don't know. No, not a lot

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>of details right now on that palm. Yeah, So Vowel,

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the shooter has been knocked into the water. There's two

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 1>men that are laying there with close range shots from

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a shotgun. Crabtree loads them into the boat and drives

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 1>away from the scene. As he's driving away, he looks

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>back and he sees Vowel getting out of the water

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and walking towards the bank of the lake. And that's

0:34:46.760 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the last time that Vowel is seen. So at this

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>point you have Grooms and Black that are dead. Crab

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Tree is alive, and Vowel is missing and has been

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>charged with two counts of murder. They have not yet

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>found him. Why was it that? Why was it that?

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>When you know, whenever something like this happens, Like you

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>just get flooded with text messages and lengths and whatnot. Um,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>what was all the stuff that he's like on the

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>bottom of the the suspect is like on the bottom

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 1>of the lake somewhere, or you know that he's probably

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>not alive. Like what is that coming from? The weather

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>has been bad in that area, Um. Like I said earlier,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Real Foot Lake is largely a submerged or a flooded forest. UM.

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of stuff below the surface that

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 1>makes it dangerous for boating. The lake has rised um

0:35:55.520 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 1>since Monday because of storms. There's been wind and rain. UM.

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>And his his boat was found two dred yards away

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>from the scene, but Vowel has not been found. So

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Vowel left the scene on foot and because of the rain,

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the cold temperatures, the rising water, they suspect that if

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>he's still in the area, that he's not alive. And

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that is a quote that the d A had. He

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>had said there's no good way out of there. This

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>from the District Attorney. It's a huge wilderness area. We're

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.919
<v Speaker 1>convinced someone assisted him in leaving the area or he's

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>still in the area. If he's still in the area,

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he's more than likely not alive now. Like I said,

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 1>within the first twenty four hours, UM, most folks had

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>assumed that this was an argument that happened over the

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>blind or over swinging ducks or whatever. And the language

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation of Investigators investigation had

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>used was that Vowel um has not been caught and

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 1>he is armed and dangerous, which sort of like fuel

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that UM this that this was like an argument that

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>happened on the podcast. A friend of Crabtree said, there

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>was no confrontation, there was no fighting over a duck,

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.919
<v Speaker 1>there was no fighting over a blind. What did take

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>place was heartbreaking, and that is that a gentleman Vowel

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 1>who was going through something very very difficult and challenging,

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was not able to process what they were going through

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and that resulted in the tragedy on Monday. Now, the

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>district Attorney has also been quoted saying, one of the

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>first things we look for is a motive. Here. We

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have a motive. We don't see a motive. Mental

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>illness may prompt a shooting or a crime. Perhaps that's

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>what we have here, or there may be some motive

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that we just don't understand. Those were quotes that came

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>out um yesterday morning, but then last night, um sort

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of like the information that everyone was waiting for to

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>be confirmed. The d A said in an interview that Vowel,

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the seven year old shooter, has early onset de matia.

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. I take it they've been probably interviewing family

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and friends of Vowel. Yes, yep, and and Val had

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>no criminal record prior to this. UM. I had read

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a quote from a friend somewhere that it said something

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>like he wouldn't go as far to say a cuss word. Um.

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Not not that that doesn't make somebody cable of murder,

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's sort of adds to the this being a

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>mental illness thing and and fueled by the dementia. That

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the d A is now confirmed. So the d A

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 1>has provided like a lot of information. One of the

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>reporters working on this story said that he's the most

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>transparent DA that you could possibly ask for, and has

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>been really good about communicating with people. But the d

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>A also said that it's his job to not cloud

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the judgment for a potential future jury, So with that,

0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>there's probably some information or details being withheld yet that

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>that we don't know. Obviously, law enforcement has has more

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 1>information at this point. Man, crazy heartbreaking. Yeah, from Spencer's

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>crime desk. Yeah, So this is all the information we

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>have right now. Um, We're gonna keep updating the media

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>dot com as things become available. Who knows, by the

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, they could have a body, they

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.720
<v Speaker 1>could have him in jail. We could know more about

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 1>his mental state now. And another important detail on this

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of people have asked why didn't crab

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Tree shoot Vowel. Um, there were plenty of guns around,

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>he obviously had like that opportunity to do it. And Um.

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>The host of the podcast who had talked to Crabtree

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>again said that the gentleman that survived this didn't even

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>have the heart to shoot the guy self defense. He

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>even tried to help the third party that has wanted,

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>which is Vowel. He even tried to get him to shore,

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>which sort of further confirms that there was just some

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of some state of confusion by Vowel when this happened.

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>You know. Uh. An interesting thing about how it was

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 1>handled in the how it was handled in the media

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>would be that because there was no there's no no

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 1>actual connection to these problems that people talk about at

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Real foot Leg, these like overcrowding, competition, all the tension there.

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>They would like the articles would be like, oh, there's

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>double homicide at Real foot Lake and then didn't have

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>this sort of tone where like, oh, you know, by

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the way, a lot of disputes on Real foot Leg

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>about blinds and who historically had a blind and now

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that the public land hunters are there and they're hunting,

0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>just to know a little something to keep in mind.

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>That was how it was presented. Yeah, making the connection,

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>but but the glue isn't there. Hey, this is Spencer

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>new Heart And since we recorded this podcast, there have

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>been new developments on the Real foot Lake double homicide.

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 1>On January, the Tennessee Bereau of Investigation announced that they

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 1>recovered the body of David Vowel in Real Foot Lake.

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 1>According to the Tennessee River Valley News, Vowels discovered by

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a hunting guide in an area locals referred to as

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Grassy Island, a spot not too far from where the

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>incident took place. Although autopsy results won't be back for

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks. Nick Barriss of news Channel five heard

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 1>from sources that Vowel died of an apparent drowning. High

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>lake levels from heavy rain caused authorities to temporarily halt

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the search, and District attorney Tommy Thomas said the water

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>temperature was thirty nine degrees. This is a developing case

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna continue to update you on. Head over

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0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I gotta follow up for how excited are you to

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>go uh fishing with me on Monday? And why is

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>it that your wife will not go? Um? And I

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>told you that we would wind her and dine her,

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and you still said she will not go. I'm excited

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to go. My wife just is not interested in in

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>hunting and fishing in general. To take offense when I

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>said we'd wine her and diner um, and I'm I'm

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>cool with that. My wife has zero percent interests in

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 1>participating in ice fishing. Ice fishing off to call her,

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>talk to her about what it's like to be out

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>in the cold and dark huh at night fishing and

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.839
<v Speaker 1>how she might enjoy it. And you didn't even want

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>me to give her a ring? No, No, I am

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm real satisfying. What you don't understand here is it's

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:53.399
<v Speaker 1>very cold and dark. I'm real satisfied by her lack

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>of interests in participating because I would rather be zero

0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>percent than like, dude. I am not saying to trust me,

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>trust me. I am not saying that she ought to

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>be should pretend to be. I just was looking for

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a little clarification. I have tons of friends where their

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>spouses or boyfriends or girlfriends or fiance's have like that

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>third year, that forty interest in participating in stuff, but

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>then they get cold, they get tired, they don't want

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>to wake up in time, and it just like makes

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the experience worse for everybody. My wife was that way

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>at one point. If we've been together for over a

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>decade at this point, that at zero percent. It's been

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that way for the last five years, and we're both

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>very happy with that. Arrangements. Speaking rocks at risk of

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>fostering of jealous fractious work environment here, I'll point out

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that my wife got a nice set of earrings from

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Spencer's wife out of rocks he picked. They picked so

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the Karan and so it did to the field A

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>pair Doug get ear rings over there, buddy, I don't

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>but I uh, I understand, um and and sympathize with

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Spencer might sympathize the wrong word. But my wife is

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 1>not interested in hunting at all either. I mean, she's

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 1>an artist. She's just like, this is what I do,

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that's what you do. And um, other than the eating

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know, it's it's really not a thing.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>It can be a little hard sometimes because the amount

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of time that I want to spend at it, and

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, you're gonna go and do that. I'm

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna go and do something else. But um, I guess

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 1>we get enough together in this time. So but Doug's

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:45.439
<v Speaker 1>wife will garden circles around you, that's for sure. Doug

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't get ear rings, but I did send him some

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>other rocks the other day. Oh yeah, man, And and uh,

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>garnering all kinds of favor with me, Spencer is and

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and almost to the point where I'm forgiving him for

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>some of his transgressions about Wisconsin. But but yeah, and

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>they're probably displayed. I guess. I actually I posted a

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>picture about about him, a couple of garnets and some

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>petrified wood, and um, it's really interesting going to your

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>mailbox and actually I guess they came ups. But you

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>pick up this thing and Tricia's like, what is in here?

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, what's a bagger rocks? She didn't believe me

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>until I opened it up, but there it was banggar rocks.

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>You guys going rock picking on not yeah, Doug, not

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 1>rock dogs, Like did we talk about this before we did?

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Doug heard rock picking. He got excited cause he thought

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 1>they were going out into fields picking rocks to make

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>a farmer's life easier. And he's like, that's awful. Nice

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to them dogs Like Doug, you know, doesn't enjoy rock picking,

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 1>but no recognize it as something it needs to happen,

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and there's there's a great value in it. And actually, uh,

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the flint rock that we haven't here in in the

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Driftless area um in particular in our township, my father

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 1>always referred to as Westford diamonds. So so I'm looking

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>forward to Spenser coming and picking some Westford diamonds someday.

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 1>But rock hounding. You guys are going rock hounding on

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Monday before we fish. And then she's going on home.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>She's gonna go home, and I'm gonna get ice fishing

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>and uh, like I said, are you guys going after

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>bourbon again? Oh, we can't talk about that top secret. Sorry. Alright,

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.320
<v Speaker 1>SOE hit this deal. This has been sitting and this

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>has been sitting in our art to do list for

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>long ast time. Are you equipped? Because I'll see your

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>name there. Um, there's this fella from Louisiana that rode in. Um.

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 1>He's a archery hunter. Um he was. He had this,

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I would say, a hit list bucket. He had had

0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>his eye on for quite some time and had a

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.320
<v Speaker 1>bunch of trail camp pictures of it and tried killing

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it with no success. And then one day it showed

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:17.240
<v Speaker 1>up on his neighbor's trail camera with it's antler flopping

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 1>to one side. Mm hmm um. His neighbor showed him

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the pictures and he he didn't think that it was

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the same buck that he was after until a couple

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 1>of days later showed up on his trail camera and

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 1>then he realized, you know, that's the same buck that

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>he's been after, and it must have been hit by

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a car or something, and it broke a chunk of like,

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't break his antler off, it broke the skull below

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the pedicle. Um, so he had just had like a

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 1>flopping nailer. And so the guy like it actually had

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>like movement, like when it walked, it flopped. If you

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 1>look at the pictures of yeah, if you look at

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>i'm a saw, Yeah, it looks it's a nice buck.

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a damn nice buck. I'm sure, yeah, I'm I'm

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>sure it would flop when he would walk. It looks flop.

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 1>He's probably painful. So he Oh my god, can you

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>imagine man, having your skull cracked? This happened, this very

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>story happened to me in Yanny. But go on, Um,

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>so he like he he made it like he he

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to kill this buck to just basically put

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>it out of its misery. Um, which I don't know

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>if the thing would live or not. Man, they can

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>survive so much. I've seen elk man, I've seen l

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 1>killed up from broken skulls. I killed a wild hog

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>one time that had broken his lower jaw clean and

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 1>it had fused back together. Really I shouldn't say clean.

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>It was so broken and fused up and whatnot that

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I said broke it clean, look

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>like a broke like I mean like broke the jaw. Yeah,

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you know why, I think I thought it was broken

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 1>broken clean, because it healed at an angle like a

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>hockey stick. And I was like, there's no way that

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 1>would have happened if it had been Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Um,

0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>why are you looking incredulous when I say that? I'm no,

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I trust you. You were there for the pig.

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. So he made a liar. So this

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.839
<v Speaker 1>this guy made it is like personal mission to try

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:35.720
<v Speaker 1>and kill this buck, put it out of its misery,

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>try to get it because it's a huge buck. Well yeah,

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that too, but since it's suffering, he like

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to get it now. Um, he says, fast

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 1>forward several days, he got his opportunity, made a fifty

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>yard shot and watched it expire. Um, so he has

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 1>this nice buck with a floppy handler. He wanted to

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 1>get it mounted. Um. So he got it mounted and

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 1>he had When he had it mounted, he had it

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 1>put back normal, like like you know, the buck was

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the whole time that he was getting pictures of it

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and had all this history with it. Stupid, stupid, stupid,

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>And he wants our opinion on that because he's getting

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of flak from He's getting a lot of

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.879
<v Speaker 1>flak from friends and colleagues and just he says, even

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>random strangers just as a knock at the door, Like, Dad,

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:44.879
<v Speaker 1>someone's here. I don't know who it is. Um, yeah,

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:48.439
<v Speaker 1>apparently people are giving them ship that people are getting

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't mount the bucks. Here are you? I

0:50:53.440 --> 0:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>got the grocery store. Somebody's like the guy, I recognize you. Yeah. Um.

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he's catching a lot of flak from for

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 1>mounting this buck how it was before he broke his skull.

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 1>He his argument is that he was putting it back

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 1>into its state of glory. Listen, man, that was a

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>huge mistake. I would put that buck mount out in

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the road in hopes that someone hits it and knocks

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it back to how it's supposed to be really yes,

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 1>or I just hit it real hard with a bat.

0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Why is that supposed to be that way again? Because listen,

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I've never got well, no I have. I've gotten some

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 1>rugs and things. I've never gotten a shoulder mount of

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.239
<v Speaker 1>something made up but ever no, but okay, how about this,

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>how about you get a buck. I've never got a

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>shoulder mount what would it take for you to get

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 1>shoulder mount well, when my I would like to get

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:03.840
<v Speaker 1>my eight fathers. He has a fawn, a dear fawn.

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 1>He had a wild pigs, but that my brother took.

0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>He has a a little ship and buck mounted. He's

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>got a bare shoulder mount mounted. He's got a pig

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>shoulder mount mounted. I want all those mountains, but I

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 1>don't want one. I don't like that. I think that

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they look cool. And you would never

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 1>ever say you killed the state record white. I'd do

0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>what I would always do. I'd get the skull cleaned

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>up and put it on my skull shelf. I just thought, like,

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they look cool personally, I don't think

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to like make it be back to

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 1>how it looked. Well in this case, he should. I'm

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>not like like like I'm comfortable with its deadness, right,

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm comfortable with his deadness. Do you know the painter

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 1>um Tell's her name as painting skulls and bones and

0:52:54.920 --> 0:53:01.800
<v Speaker 1>whatnot Southwest Santa Fe. You think she ran around painting

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 1>uh dear looking all normal uh schools. So here's the thing.

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>If I wasn't gona get one, And I said to

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the text and hers, oh yeah, if you don't mind,

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you just make them look a little bigger. Like the

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 1>point is, it's how you got it. If you are

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>going to do it, it's how it was when you

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>got it. That's what you're memorializing. When you get a

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 1>fish stuffed and they don't even use the fish. When

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you get a fish stuff, you don't change it to

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>have it be like, you know, like, oh yeah, if

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't mind adding a few pounds on there, Like

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he must have been a lot bigger

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 1>when he was spawning, when she was spawning last spring,

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>So let's make her look fat. What was her glory?

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>What would you do in this situation out of stuff

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that thing so fast, with that antler cocked over to

0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the side. You know, you wouldn't have stuffed it. You

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.360
<v Speaker 1>would have just don't always do, and boiled the skull,

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and you would I like one would have like a

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 1>four inch chunk of skull attached to it, and it

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 1>would be quite Everybody would ask you have a story

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to tell a lot? Yeah, I know. In fact, I

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 1>have a different way to look at it. We go ahead,

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Spencer in twenty I shot a buck in late December

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>with my muzzleloader that dropped in his tracks. He didn't

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>move an inch from where he was standing when my

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>bullet hit him. What month December? He dropped to the ground,

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and when I got up to him, one antler had

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.359
<v Speaker 1>popped off, and he wasn't how you got him, Well,

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he died before the antler popped

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>off or not. There there was a tight window there

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.200
<v Speaker 1>where I can't assess what exactly happened. So what would

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you mount it with the antler back on him? Yes,

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>because that's how it was when I shot at it. Oh,

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, so it was when I shot at him. Oh,

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>also a remy one time he shot elk and the

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>fell over nailer fell off because it slid down the mountain,

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>busted at antler. We're with him for that one, I

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.800
<v Speaker 1>do remember. Yeah, I'd be like, in my mind, you

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>can screw that back on because it wasn't. That's how

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 1>you got him was with his antlers. Now, what if

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you shot a deer saying like October with your bow

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and he runs off. You made a bad shot in

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the guts, he runs off. You know that's reasonable. You

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 1>never find him until until February you find him. But

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.399
<v Speaker 1>by this time squirrels have chewed up his antlers. They're

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 1>now bleached white. He doesn't look like he was when

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you shot at him. Are you going to restore him? No?

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:49.919
<v Speaker 1>But you know what the you know how I said,

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to get my old man's buck. So my

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 1>old man he this buck was like not a big buck,

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>but it was big for at the time, because you

0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 1>don't see like you never saw bucks had lived past

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>their first year. So what we thought was an enormous

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:08.400
<v Speaker 1>buck wasn't. It was just I can't remember it was.

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like a white tail. He got it stuffed. Here's

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the dirty secret. There was a dirty secret. He told

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 1>anybody about it. So the old man is sitting there

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:22.839
<v Speaker 1>in what we call the pine plantation on the Zlot farm,

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and the old man sticks a deer right below him. Okay,

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.359
<v Speaker 1>so there's no exit. The arrows comes into like into

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:35.240
<v Speaker 1>his back and no exit. Wound right in the lungs.

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It runs into the corn and he's like dead deer. Okay.

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>In our tracking of that, we could never find a

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.800
<v Speaker 1>drop of blood. Were now looking back on it, I

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>think that we basically were like sitting like sitting on

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that deer, sitting around that deer. But we just in

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the corn somehow didn't find it, even though we like

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.080
<v Speaker 1>circle all around it because the farmer then went to

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>harvest that corn field and found the deer. Uh, my

0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 1>old man questionable or not. My old man took the

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 1>head off that deer, went out, got the head off

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that deer and got a cap from someone and stuff

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the deer. And that's your city. Is in my mom's

0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>living room at the minute. I'm sitting here talking to him.

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 1>She puts a Christmas bowl around its neck at Christmas.

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 1>It's sitting there right now. So he did reconstruct the buck.

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 1>He didn't recover that buck. But we know that we

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>should have ended like we just missed it in the corn.

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make sense we missed it. I later went,

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:53.959
<v Speaker 1>I was with my brother. We later went and looked

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 1>at that buck, the headless buck, and I looked at there.

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I can see a possums tail wiggling around in there,

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and there's a hole in about four inches across. And

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I put my hand here and hauled that possum out

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>by the tail and took a photo of it. In

0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 1>that buck and like over time all the details went

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>away and it became like the old man's buck was it?

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? But that like it became like,

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:23.480
<v Speaker 1>oh there was a dad's big buck. It's like kind

0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, that's a whole another rabbit hole. I don't know,

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>if we have time, I have a way to look

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>at it. So he gets his buck mounted because he

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>wants to remember it how it was before it got

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>messed up. So you have a dog, right, and you

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:46.280
<v Speaker 1>spend lots of time with this dog, but for some

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 1>reason the last month of its life it ends up

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>getting sick and then dies. Do you want to remember

0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that dog for the life you had with it before

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.240
<v Speaker 1>it got sick or the last month of its life

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 1>when it was sick seth bringing the heat? I like it.

0:59:05.240 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal man dog shaking his head on the

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 1>big screen. So so the dog analogy is it doesn't

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:22.439
<v Speaker 1>work because this is the wild animal and uh, had

0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.120
<v Speaker 1>that deer or not had its horn busted, that guy

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 1>may not have gotten it. So that I agree with

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Steve on that, Yeah he shot him. Yeah, I mean

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>if had had its wits about it, he may not

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:36.960
<v Speaker 1>have gotten it. I mean, the only it sounds like

0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the reason he got it is because it didn't have

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 1>its wits about it. Yeah. You know, I shot a

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>one idea one time, and everybody thought that I got

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it because they had one eye. But I pointed out

0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that it's good I was in my face, in my direction. Yeah.

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Um so my taxidermist or the guy who does taxidermy

0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 1>around here is a friend of mine. When people ask

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<v Speaker 1>him to fix an antler, he won't do it. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like that he's got that screw. He said, Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>won't do it. That's not the way you killed the deer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, of course the other thing is when you

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<v Speaker 1>do get a deer stuffed, the only part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's hide, but the the is the

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<v Speaker 1>skull cap. So the ones I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you do, Steve, I'll probably never get another one another

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder a mount because they just don't look like the

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<v Speaker 1>deer that was killed. Yeah, but the standard, the standard

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<v Speaker 1>looks awesome, man. Well yeah, but it doesn't look like

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<v Speaker 1>a deer that was running around. But it's a great

1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.880
<v Speaker 1>piece of taxing. It's just an average buck for around here.

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<v Speaker 1>Um anyway, Uh but uh, but he was big. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>his face and everything was bigger. I mean, when they

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<v Speaker 1>do those measurements and they cut stuff off every deer

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen stuffed and that I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to in life, they just don't look they

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<v Speaker 1>don't look as good, they don't look as big to

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<v Speaker 1>me at least. Here's the one way. Think what you

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<v Speaker 1>should have said, Seth, Well, you should have said this.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was doing what you're doing, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>done this. I would have said, let's say you're married

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<v Speaker 1>and you love your spouse like and you're married fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>most beautiful um spouse you ever late eyes. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make this so it's everybody can appreciate it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, spouse, most beautiful spouse you ever laid eyes on,

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<v Speaker 1>loved her your whole life, him her, them, spouse, spouse

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<v Speaker 1>and then they develop a heinous uh facial problem that

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<v Speaker 1>kills him. Uh. They very much wanted to have an

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<v Speaker 1>open casket. This is what you should say. They very

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<v Speaker 1>much want to have it. Always had said when I die,

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<v Speaker 1>I would like you to have an open casket funeral. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the mortician comes to you and says, Seth, how are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to roll here. I could fix it right

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<v Speaker 1>back to her glory, him to his glory, or I

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<v Speaker 1>can leave it the way it is. That's what you

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<v Speaker 1>should have said, yep, not making some dog and then

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<v Speaker 1>you would say, then you would say fix it, implying

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<v Speaker 1>that this deer had said that he would want to

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<v Speaker 1>be mounted right, had said to his buddies, he said, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knows sometimes you don't make it through the run.

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<v Speaker 1>Should I fall? I was doing general? Should I fall

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<v Speaker 1>during general firearm? Let it be known. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them when I said this happened to me in Yanni.

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<v Speaker 1>This is embarrassing for me. We're hunting deer one time

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<v Speaker 1>and I see a buck coming and it's in the

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<v Speaker 1>brush that deep I'll never come out before I go on,

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<v Speaker 1>brushed very much obscured my vision. I see a deer

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<v Speaker 1>coming that has such huge antlers that there's actually antlers

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of its chin, like so much antler that

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<v Speaker 1>there's antler blow. It's jaw. I believe, I said, here

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<v Speaker 1>comes a buck of a lifetime. Yes, But it was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact a forky that had got hit by a

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<v Speaker 1>car and one of its antlers had become dislodged. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw like times. Yeah, if there's a time

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<v Speaker 1>by its chin, there must be ten. Imagine how many

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<v Speaker 1>must be on top of its head. Hard to see

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<v Speaker 1>in that rude But I'm telling you, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have much to say about this. Uh this here talking

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<v Speaker 1>point and story other than I feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little trivial and you know, we should all be so

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<v Speaker 1>lucky that we can, you know, have fun talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>But like Bradley, I think you should do whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do with that damn button and all those

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<v Speaker 1>people is tell him to f off. Don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>straight desk, right, I want to worry about the random strange. Uh. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer primed me up for this especial when I had

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<v Speaker 1>a little chit chat the other day. W D. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people are Um. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>from Karin. I heard from Krin that you wanted us

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<v Speaker 1>to not beat this one to death. You didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>need to hear from Karan because you were also on

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<v Speaker 1>the email. What I said is that through data on

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<v Speaker 1>our website, there's a bit of exhaustion from our readership

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<v Speaker 1>about c w D. It's hard to get them interested.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, there's probably a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>same sentiment among podcast listeners. That's what the email said. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, like you're sure, uh not filling Dug's bucket.

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<v Speaker 1>Du During, It's very very important that we do continue

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it, even if it has been beaten.

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<v Speaker 1>But what Spencer prime me on that, I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea that was going on, which is the exciting part.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should say this to the end, Duck. But

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that Spencer it was basically calling out Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>deer hunters, and you were none too happy about what

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<v Speaker 1>he had to say about you, guys. Oh, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I mean, if Spencer's got evidence that somehow the

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin deer culture is all about trophies and entering him

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<v Speaker 1>into a record book, great, But um on the previous

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<v Speaker 1>podcast he talked about that within uh uh and was saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin calls itself the big buck capital of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and or other people call it that, Field and Stream

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<v Speaker 1>or whoever calls it that, and uh, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>because we have more Boone and Crockett, Pope and Young

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<v Speaker 1>Books bucks registered than any other state. And uh and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, oh, it's because people in Wisconsin are braggadocious

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<v Speaker 1>and they want to be in the record book. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I know, well right, and being

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<v Speaker 1>from Wisconsin and being willing to take a look in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror, you know, Um, I thought, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer has probably got some real good information on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked him about that, and he goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I never I've never hunted in Wisconsin. I only sent

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<v Speaker 1>us spent an afternoon at a wedding in the state,

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<v Speaker 1>So but what do you But I talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>bride's uncle who's a deer hunter. So anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I guess, um, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>else you decide who you know, where the big buck

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<v Speaker 1>capital is if it's not by the number of bucks

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, like that lion in Caddy Chick,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you measure yourself against other golfers by height? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing? How I mean, how do you how

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<v Speaker 1>do you? How do you do that? And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's there's a lot. I mean I love to

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<v Speaker 1>have Spencer come out and and uh, you know, show

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<v Speaker 1>him around and uh and I hope he does that

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<v Speaker 1>and I can kind of show him why the driftless

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<v Speaker 1>area is home to send so many big giant bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I I can see, do you, Doug? And I I

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<v Speaker 1>will now refer to Wisconsin as the big Buck State.

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<v Speaker 1>But I felt justified in our conversations because, um, after

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<v Speaker 1>that podcast dropped, you were instagram messaging me, you were

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<v Speaker 1>emailing me, telling me random strangers and uh, dog wanted

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<v Speaker 1>that title, and UM, I felt as though it showed

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<v Speaker 1>that there is that culture in that mindset there and

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<v Speaker 1>taking pride in the record book sort of thing in Wisconsin. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not we're here to talk about. We leave

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<v Speaker 1>it at that. A guy wrote in, uh, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>laying in about kind of laying in about what hell

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<v Speaker 1>is his name? Just give us first? I remember guy

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<v Speaker 1>from southeast Minnesota. I don't remember his name practically, neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>were Doug because Dugs from southwest Wisconsin. And that's an

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<v Speaker 1>that's an important point where he is and where we

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<v Speaker 1>are very similar in topography. You know, Dear heard all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So he he lays in, like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about c w D. Yeah, And I knew

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<v Speaker 1>in reading it. I was like, I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this stuff he's telling me, he's not accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't have the time to get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I felt it was like interesting enough that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. I was like, Doug, you'd take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the email. You read the email, and then Doug

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to explain what he's saying, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is probably like a commonly held thing if

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<v Speaker 1>you somehow don't know what we're talking about. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the deer and elk, the servid, the dear family

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<v Speaker 1>version of like mad cow disease um which is spreading

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<v Speaker 1>every year into more and more dear herds across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got people pretty worked up for two reasons. One

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<v Speaker 1>because it could wind up potentially we don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>being real problematic for dear populations. Um that they won't

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<v Speaker 1>live long, you won't grow huge box anymore because they're

1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:05.559
<v Speaker 1>all dying. Or that someone would want up getting sick

1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:07.720
<v Speaker 1>for dear meat, which that from dear meat, which has

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<v Speaker 1>not happened, but it definitely like keeps you up at

1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:12.640
<v Speaker 1>night thinking about it. No one wants to be the

1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:16.720
<v Speaker 1>first person. No evidence that has happened yet. Thousands, tens

1:10:16.760 --> 1:10:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people have eaten c w D infect

1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the dear meat, but it's still like, I don't know,

1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:25.160
<v Speaker 1>it just makes you nervous. So with that dog talk

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<v Speaker 1>about with this guy take it. This is like Joe

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<v Speaker 1>blow America out there saying like, here's why CWD is

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<v Speaker 1>so full of ship and and and what does this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of take on it? Uh. The first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>want to respond to is I understand the fatigue. Believe

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<v Speaker 1>me if I'd rather not UM talk about this either.

1:10:44.760 --> 1:10:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But I can guarantee you one thing about chronic wasting disease.

1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:50.040
<v Speaker 1>If you ignore it, it is not going to go away. UM,

1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It's only gonna get worse. And we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. So this guy had a few different comments.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them was that there's no evidence that human

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<v Speaker 1>humans have contract c w D from eating meat. Well,

1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.120
<v Speaker 1>that's true. I don't think I've ever said anything else

1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:07.559
<v Speaker 1>that there is no evidence at this point that it's

1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that spread. So fair enough. But his reasoning was that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they let you take the meat home, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you to take the spine and head home.

1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:23.439
<v Speaker 1>And Uh. The problem with that thought process is that

1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the reason for those UM transportation movement restrictions are to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the herd, not to protect people. This is a

1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:37.960
<v Speaker 1>wildlife agency is doing this, not a uh public health agency.

1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:39.840
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that public health has ever said about

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<v Speaker 1>it was we recommend you know, c C, C d

1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:46.800
<v Speaker 1>C and World Health Organization. We recommend against UM and

1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:48.640
<v Speaker 1>recommend you getting tested and you don't need it if

1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:53.040
<v Speaker 1>it's positive. The carcass movement is all about protecting the

1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:57.920
<v Speaker 1>herd in um where you're going to. So that's why

1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.439
<v Speaker 1>they want to properly dispose of the head in the

1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:07.280
<v Speaker 1>spine where of course the concentrated as well. They know

1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna wind up dumping at that. You're gonna want

1:12:10.040 --> 1:12:12.040
<v Speaker 1>taking those bones and it's not going into your freezer,

1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:15.719
<v Speaker 1>right You're gonna you're gonna don't met the boat launch.

1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:20.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, exactly popular if people are doing that kind

1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:24.280
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, right um. His second comment was meat doesn't

1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:27.560
<v Speaker 1>carry disease, and he said, see above, you know the

1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.439
<v Speaker 1>thing about that, let you take the meat. So what

1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:33.640
<v Speaker 1>this dude, just what this dude was responding to you

1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:37.280
<v Speaker 1>on this is I was saying like that, I'm full

1:12:37.320 --> 1:12:39.360
<v Speaker 1>of questions about c w D, Like I'm not. I'm

1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:41.600
<v Speaker 1>not sitting around and act like I know something that

1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything that nobody, nobody else knows, right,

1:12:44.360 --> 1:12:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I know what I read, um, and I read conflicting things,

1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:48.599
<v Speaker 1>and I try to sort it out in my head.

1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:50.800
<v Speaker 1>But I said, when I meet a guy who's like

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<v Speaker 1>telling me, hey, it's no big deal, don't worry about it,

1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I would like to defeat. Make that guy

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<v Speaker 1>a burger out of a bunch of c w D

1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:06.240
<v Speaker 1>infected deer and put some brain and spinal column stuff

1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in there and whatnot, and then if he eats the burger,

1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:11.800
<v Speaker 1>then I believe that he doesn't think it's a big deal.

1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:15.960
<v Speaker 1>If he questions eating the burger, then I know that

1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:18.080
<v Speaker 1>he's like me, and he's a little worried about this

1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.479
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. The guy that wrote in that I sent

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<v Speaker 1>the dog pointed out, Um, that's why we don't eat

1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the brain and we don't eat the spine because the

1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:29.519
<v Speaker 1>meat is safe but isn't. Doesn't the ship like it's

1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:32.600
<v Speaker 1>concentrated in the brain and spine, but it's found in

1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the muscle. Right, That's exactly right. And so he's off

1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.479
<v Speaker 1>on that. He's wrong on that, and there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a study that shows that, and I guess, you know, logically,

1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you can think about it too. Another PreO diseases me

1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:47.400
<v Speaker 1>had cold is he BSc and people got that right.

1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:51.760
<v Speaker 1>There was a jumped from cattle to um. They jumped

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<v Speaker 1>from cattle to humans. UM, and that came from eating

1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the meat. So it's in the meat and it's been

1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.680
<v Speaker 1>proving this in the meat. So UM. I forwarded the

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<v Speaker 1>study to to Korean and she can put that up

1:14:03.680 --> 1:14:05.920
<v Speaker 1>or you know, I answered this guy directly if he wants.

1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:10.920
<v Speaker 1>But there's you know, there's studies that shows exactly um,

1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that that show exactly the opposite. And UM, the one

1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that um that's still happening is the macaque monkeys. And

1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.599
<v Speaker 1>everybody's gonna go, oh, the one that was disproven, well,

1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it wasn't disproven. Actually two of the monkeys in

1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Canada were fed only meat from c w D positive

1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:32.599
<v Speaker 1>white tailed deer from Wisconsin. UM, that's an ongoing study

1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:36.080
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been published yet. So UM, I would you know,

1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a scientist, and I would suggest that you know,

1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:41.760
<v Speaker 1>scientists talk about that more. And there have been some

1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:49.800
<v Speaker 1>conflicting studies. So did the monkeys, like it was reported

1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:52.519
<v Speaker 1>that they got the monkeys got c w D from

1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:55.519
<v Speaker 1>beating dear meat, little chunks of deer steak. But in

1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:59.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that's what they have. What happened, Yes, it is.

1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:01.360
<v Speaker 1>There were five months that got it. Two of them

1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:04.000
<v Speaker 1>had it injected into their brains, two of them were

1:15:04.040 --> 1:15:07.040
<v Speaker 1>fed spinal common and or one of them was fed

1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:09.560
<v Speaker 1>was injected in the spine and all that two of

1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.679
<v Speaker 1>them were fed meat only. And who got what? Monkey

1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.080
<v Speaker 1>got it? Those are the five that got it out

1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:17.519
<v Speaker 1>of the all the monkeys and the monkey did get

1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it meat and the meat. Yeah, I thought that was disgraduated. Yeah, no,

1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and that I mean, the reason I'm hesitated, I hesitate

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<v Speaker 1>to talk too much about it is because it's an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing study. They there's nothing that other than the Montana

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<v Speaker 1>there was. It wasn't Montana. I'm sorry, I don't remember

1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:39.880
<v Speaker 1>who that was. But there was a conflicting or another

1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:41.640
<v Speaker 1>study said, wow, we did the same thing and no

1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:46.720
<v Speaker 1>monkeys got it. So that's not that unusual, at least

1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:50.639
<v Speaker 1>in my sort of logical way and in animal husbands

1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:54.840
<v Speaker 1>way of thinking about it. You know, my cattle, cattle,

1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:57.519
<v Speaker 1>animals all together. Not everybody gets the same disease, and

1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, not everybody necessarily gets COVID. Not you don't

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what that is, right, So but now you

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<v Speaker 1>can look into that and um, that study is ongoing

1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:10.519
<v Speaker 1>and that will that will come up. So that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>it has not been proven to transfer to humans. UM

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<v Speaker 1>my only comment about like, um clean, Seth, we're both

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that, and I've been there with Clay. I mean, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>the last time you hunt deer hunted out here, we didn't. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we tested those No, no, we did.

1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.759
<v Speaker 1>We did test them. And I waited to my results

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<v Speaker 1>before I ate my dear, because I felt that if

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<v Speaker 1>we ate the deer and then got the results, um

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<v Speaker 1>my wife be like homett so you thought I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you saw that it was appropriate to

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<v Speaker 1>send it for test, But then why do we like

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<v Speaker 1>if if it if you cared enough to send it

1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:53.200
<v Speaker 1>for testing, why do we not wait for the test

1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:54.960
<v Speaker 1>results before we ate it? Like if it doesn't matter,

1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:57.320
<v Speaker 1>why did you send it for testing? And I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like explaining all that, so I just waited. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that I think that's a good policy.

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<v Speaker 1>I respect anyone who is their their choice. Like Seth

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<v Speaker 1>said he would, I'll eat that burger. Um, I will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this. I had a very different experience when

1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't actually dealt with it, and Spencer has had

1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:20.519
<v Speaker 1>that situation too. Like there it is. Um when I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that I had a positive deer, it was

1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:26.280
<v Speaker 1>very It was a very different mindset than talking about

1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.360
<v Speaker 1>it in theory. Clay said that he hadn't had any

1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.240
<v Speaker 1>deer tested yet, and they've been in an area and

1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of course the same thing. I've been in a cw

1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:35.240
<v Speaker 1>D area. It was quite a bit solved. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a chance that I've already that I've already eaten CWD positive.

1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:42.479
<v Speaker 1>But why would you continue that when you have the

1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:44.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to have it tested and at least make an

1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:49.720
<v Speaker 1>informed decision. Part of this guy's point was I don't

1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>want to waste the deer. And my response to that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't waste it. You took that deer off the landscape,

1:17:57.439 --> 1:18:00.919
<v Speaker 1>and you took that infectious animal who's spreading casting prions

1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:02.680
<v Speaker 1>about and spreading it the other deer. You took it

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<v Speaker 1>off the landscape. So you did a good thing there.

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<v Speaker 1>And um uh, the other part is you saved that

1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:12.760
<v Speaker 1>deer from a miserable death. I've been I've seen him now.

1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I've seen not well, we've had pictures on the farm,

1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:17.160
<v Speaker 1>but I haven't seen a live one that's on its

1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:18.680
<v Speaker 1>way out on the farm. But I have seen him

1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in other places. It's a miserable death. So you saved

1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that animal from that. Um you know, you look at

1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a picture. I don't want to go down the road

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<v Speaker 1>of I mean, if if somebody wants to eat it,

1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:32.439
<v Speaker 1>that is there, um uh their choice, and I respect that.

1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say, though, let's not make that choice for

1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:38.360
<v Speaker 1>other people. So if you're in hunting in a c

1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:41.479
<v Speaker 1>w D area, get the deer tested. If you decide

1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:43.360
<v Speaker 1>to eat it, go ahead and eat it yourself, but

1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:46.000
<v Speaker 1>don't serve that unknowingly to someone else. And I had

1:18:46.040 --> 1:18:50.439
<v Speaker 1>really questions um uh serving it to uh two kids too,

1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:55.519
<v Speaker 1>So um that's that. Um what else did he have

1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to say? Oh, dogship doesn't carry the disease. Well that's

1:18:58.080 --> 1:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>false also, and I uh said too, and I wanted to.

1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got a mingus U Yanni's dog holds

1:19:05.560 --> 1:19:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a special place in my heart because he's named for

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. You know. Oh yeah, I've never met the dog, um,

1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:15.920
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, because he's named for Charles Mingus anyway. Um,

1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and why would you? I mean, it does happen. Right,

1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:22.519
<v Speaker 1>there's two there's two studies, one of the coyote and

1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and one of I think it was crows or something.

1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:28.200
<v Speaker 1>And the point is is what goes in the front

1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:29.960
<v Speaker 1>end comes out the back end later. We've all heard

1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:33.439
<v Speaker 1>that before, right. So if you don't have c W

1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:35.680
<v Speaker 1>D like around your place, and I've been over to

1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Yanni's place, Um, and you feed that dog CW depositive

1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:40.840
<v Speaker 1>meat and now it's going out and taking a crap

1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:42.599
<v Speaker 1>and unless you're going out and picking it all up,

1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and they never do. They never get all. The smart

1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:54.439
<v Speaker 1>guy teaches his dog to go out far enough. But

1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:58.559
<v Speaker 1>um and uh. And so now you have it there. Yes,

1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it's in very low concentrate sations is going through the

1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:03.240
<v Speaker 1>meat and all of that sort of thing. But because

1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it is an exponentially growing disease, that's exactly the kind

1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:12.360
<v Speaker 1>of thing where you can have some control of your environment.

1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And why wouldn't you. Um, So I applaud Jani for

1:20:16.479 --> 1:20:18.880
<v Speaker 1>that NFL it was just wrong when when it came

1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to that as well. Um. Then he talked about, um,

1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the low prevalence in Minnesota and why are we spending

1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:29.479
<v Speaker 1>all this time and effort on it um and money.

1:20:30.400 --> 1:20:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And the short answer on that is perhaps the reason

1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:37.360
<v Speaker 1>you have a slow or low prevalence and a slow

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:42.800
<v Speaker 1>spread is because these management uh these management policies have

1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:45.120
<v Speaker 1>been in place. In fact, I would submit that's exactly

1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:47.519
<v Speaker 1>why they have a low prevalence, because Minnesota's got a

1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:51.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty damn good c w D response plan. And if

1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:54.479
<v Speaker 1>you want to see something in comparison um, one of

1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the other things I sent Karin and I'll post it

1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:00.679
<v Speaker 1>on my social media later too, is a time lapse

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<v Speaker 1>of the change in spreading prevalence in Wisconsin over the

1:21:04.400 --> 1:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>last twenty years. And there are I have some markers

1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:12.439
<v Speaker 1>that's not necessarily on that, but I'll write it into it.

1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Of where we gave up Wisconsin's program didn't when they say,

1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:19.640
<v Speaker 1>well they didn't see it didn't work in Wisconsin is

1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:25.120
<v Speaker 1>because we stopped and all we're doing is putting you know,

1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>carcasses and a dumpster and we're not really even trying

1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to control population or control disease or anything. We failed.

1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would say that you want to learn

1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:36.920
<v Speaker 1>about uh c w D and what not to do,

1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:40.120
<v Speaker 1>take a look at Wisconsin, Southeast southeast Minnesota has got

1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to control it. What I'm what I'm fighting

1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:45.639
<v Speaker 1>for in my area is to have a healthy deer

1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and have a healthy deer management. We're a positive of

1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:53.040
<v Speaker 1>deer tested in this county now. Uh, we have their

1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:56.519
<v Speaker 1>thirty thou deer in the county. UM you know about

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<v Speaker 1>about got tested of the sixty five hundred that UM

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<v Speaker 1>we're killed this past season, and those were positive by

1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:08.560
<v Speaker 1>my by my place, I'm on the northern edge of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, we're down at like four or five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I get one a year or two a year, UM.

1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:16.160
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I don't want to give too

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<v Speaker 1>much credence to what we're trying, what I'm doing, but

1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:22.240
<v Speaker 1>we're killing a whole lot of deer and they keep

1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:25.080
<v Speaker 1>making them, right, I mean, dear, keep making them um

1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:30.719
<v Speaker 1>there and so ah, I would submit that the control

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<v Speaker 1>measures in Minnesota has been doing is what's exactly exactly

1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>what is controlling UM the disease they're not And and

1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I can see he's got that exponential growth. He did

1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a nice job on the math UM and so take

1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a look at that UM. But it's an exponentially growing

1:22:46.960 --> 1:22:51.120
<v Speaker 1>disease both within the animal and on the landscape. And um,

1:22:51.280 --> 1:22:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, folks are I'm sorry, folks, you know that

1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you're tired of hearing about it. But if you don't

1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>have it, you don't want it. And if you do

1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.360
<v Speaker 1>have it, you want as little of it as pot possible.

1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I have that little, as little as possible. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Spence Spencer new heart. He kissed my ass man. Care

1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>what he says. Listen. My take on CV, my take

1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:13.920
<v Speaker 1>on c w D is is what I learned from

1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Doug durn Articulated by Doug durn is, pay for science

1:23:21.360 --> 1:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and time pay for science by yeah, sorry, I was

1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it the other way around. I was gonna

1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:27.320
<v Speaker 1>pay for science. Bye time, bye time, pay for science.

1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I think that there's this thing that in the c

1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:33.280
<v Speaker 1>w D to deny your community. It's like it's wishful

1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's like wishful thinking on their part

1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:37.680
<v Speaker 1>or they're ahead of themselves to be like it doesn't matter. Look,

1:23:37.760 --> 1:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the other direction doesn't matter. Nothing to see here. I'm like,

1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:44.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like I really don't know. But if

1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>there's the potential for a problem, and if it's a disease,

1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that's spreading around. And if you love deer, and you

1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>love deer hunting, and you love eating deer, why would

1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you not want as much information as you can get

1:23:56.280 --> 1:24:01.080
<v Speaker 1>your hands on. It would be wonderful if in five years,

1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:05.400
<v Speaker 1>ten years, someone is able to say, oh, look, weirdly,

1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it winds up for all these reasons that seemed perfectly plausible,

1:24:09.439 --> 1:24:13.479
<v Speaker 1>it winds up not having population level impacts, Like something

1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>happens within the herd dynamic and we don't see catastrophic

1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>collapse of deer herds and turns out, um, this this

1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>preon is somehow magically shaped where unlike similar diseases that

1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>afflict cheap and unlike similar diseases that afflict cattle, um,

1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:35.679
<v Speaker 1>we know for a fact now that it can't touch humans.

1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I would be like awesome, because that's what I wanted

1:24:38.400 --> 1:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>to hear all along. I'm not like rooting, I'm not

1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>like cheering on c w D. I hope it's bad.

1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope it kills people. It's like, that's not what

1:24:49.000 --> 1:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I hope. I just want to find out, man, I

1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to like look the other direction, which is

1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:56.559
<v Speaker 1>what which is what seems to be what they want

1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you to what what the deniers want you to do

1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>is like not even look. Okay, right, well you're bad

1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>for looking. Actually. Um. In defense of my friend from

1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:09.839
<v Speaker 1>southeast Minnesota, he's like, you know, I'm not a denier.

1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I know it's a problem, but it was a sort

1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of relative um was his point. And and and I

1:25:17.000 --> 1:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>think that what I see and feel and and hear

1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>from people is that the denier the deny rs are

1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>few and far between. Now it's now a question of well,

1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>how bad is it or how bad can it be?

1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And um, I kind of my friend Mitch Baker has

1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>said a few times that I'd rather we did as

1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:39.519
<v Speaker 1>much as we couldn't find out we did more than

1:25:39.600 --> 1:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>we had to, then find out we didn't do enough

1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and have a disaster on our hands. And again, if

1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you look at that, um, And I'll just give you

1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:51.720
<v Speaker 1>some anecdotes. Um, a friend of mine who's got a

1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>property about four miles south of ours killed, they killed

1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a nuven buck on his place. It tested positive. If

1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have killed that buck, it's never gonna be

1:25:59.920 --> 1:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a big giant buck. It would have been dead at

1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>two and a half years. Right. His neighbor had four

1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:09.679
<v Speaker 1>out of five bucks test positive. I routinely get messages

1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>from people who are saying six out of eight. UM.

1:26:13.320 --> 1:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>The hot zone south of US, about twenty five miles

1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>is over fifty in bucks, over thirty in does and rising. Um.

1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:25.519
<v Speaker 1>We still have plenty of deer because we I mean

1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys have been here. We grow deer like crazy.

1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, one point four one point five does fawns

1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:35.880
<v Speaker 1>per dough. We can keep producing. We have sixty deer

1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>per square a mile. UM, So we're not gonna run

1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>out of deer. We're just gonna have more and more

1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>of them. And we already have that that are diseased. UM.

1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:47.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think I sent you another note from one

1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of the members of our sea deck. He killed three

1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>deer in his yard this past year. That we're just

1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>standing there and that we're emaciated and went through all

1:26:56.400 --> 1:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that is a horrific disease. UM. You know, animal rights

1:27:01.080 --> 1:27:05.679
<v Speaker 1>people should be concerned about it. UM. Using my example

1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>of the of the number buck getting it, and he's

1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>never going to be a big giant buck. If you

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>want big giant bucks. We need to control this disease.

1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>If I can keep disease in my area at five

1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to even ten percent at this point, I'll consider that

1:27:18.479 --> 1:27:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a victory. Um. And you might find this an interesting

1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>detail because you know, you guys know the farm up

1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>there on the big Ridge where you killed that giant

1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>turkey at that time, with with dirt myth down there

1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:32.479
<v Speaker 1>and bottom, all five of our positives have come in

1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a line right there in that little

1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>bit of acreage because dirt myth have been down there

1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>could but there happens to be a big population of

1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>dear you know that that kind of stay up on

1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>near there, and that's sort of on the fringe of it.

1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:51.799
<v Speaker 1>So you know, the scientists that I've talked to about

1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:53.599
<v Speaker 1>it have said, well, you know, don't read too much

1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>into that, but anecdotally it's it's really, uh, a little

1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>unsettling and kind of internet thing, you know. But that said, Um,

1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>we had, you know, it was a little weird deer

1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>hunting this year because of covid um and um, but

1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:12.880
<v Speaker 1>my brother and his nephew came hunting for the first

1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>time in a couple of years, which was great. Um.

1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>We just did things a little bit differently in terms

1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>of gathering in the house and you know, and all

1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:23.360
<v Speaker 1>of those sort of things. Um, and uh, you know

1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we killed um like I said, uh, sixty three sixty

1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:28.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe a sixty six hundred deer in the county. It

1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:32.439
<v Speaker 1>was we're backed up like this year. Um, even with

1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that positivity rate, you know that deer hunting in Wisconsin

1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>has a good future. We just need to do more,

1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, we need to continue to do more about this.

1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:45.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'm inviting as we're sitting here, I mean inviting

1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Spencer to come out and learn all about it. We

1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:51.439
<v Speaker 1>got a letter. We got a letter one time complaining

1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>about Doug. It was some dude and Doug's area complaining

1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>about Doug bringing down all the property values by talking

1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>about c w D too much. The powerful casing over

1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>your real estate lobby was like land ever since Doug

1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>buys it up? Man, Yeah, thanks, thanks a lot for

1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the report, Doug. You'll be a hundred fifty bucks. It's

1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>in the mail, I mean truly is in the mail.

1:29:20.840 --> 1:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>And then you set cash. Is that correct? Oh yeah,

1:29:25.840 --> 1:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>yeah I did send cash. So, oh you have somebody

1:29:29.040 --> 1:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>out there written around in your mail. But I'm a

1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit afraid of man. Yeah, he's gonna be like, yeah,

1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I gotta run. You're white and i'd be there in

1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the next day or so. Yeah, I'll just tell Katie

1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:41.639
<v Speaker 1>that Doug during sent me a letter for some reason

1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Steve's house. Don't open it, thank you, dog. It's interesting

1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to me how we treat uh, we talked about CWD

1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and treat it as I think as a society and

1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>look at very similar to how we look at climate change.

1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>You have that same sort of like deny or people

1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that are like don't even look, yeah, don't even look,

1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:07.479
<v Speaker 1>you know. But and I'm in the same way you

1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>described as kind of where I've settled on climate change.

1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but like I'd rather do too much

1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and find out we did too much than you know

1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>eighty years down the line. Go oh remember all that

1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>not looking? Oh yeah, you you're you get criticized if

1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a biologist talks about changing animal patterns, uh, which you

1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:35.639
<v Speaker 1>know you can demonstrate with great clarity and precision. It's

1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like bad that they brought it up. I think you're

1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:41.759
<v Speaker 1>criticized for bringing it up. Your favorite like a favorite

1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>talking point amongst CWD deniers is like Wisconsin's management of

1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it and how they didn't get rid of it um

1:30:48.600 --> 1:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>or maybe not even slow it down. But there was

1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:55.519
<v Speaker 1>a CWD expert um that told me years ago. He's like,

1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin is not a good example because the c w

1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>D whore left the barn many years ago. Not only

1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:04.599
<v Speaker 1>is that horse out of the barn, but that horse

1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>already died, like it was just too late to get

1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:12.839
<v Speaker 1>in and make a huge difference. But other states, New York, Illinois, Missouri,

1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they have a chance, um to like make that difference

1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>where Wisconsin didn't go out. You to to the c

1:31:20.640 --> 1:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>W to the denier's credibility, to their credit. Here. Uh,

1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it's been around all those years, right, and Doug still

1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>has a big, huge, giant bucks running around in his place.

1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe a picture of a buck he sent

1:31:35.280 --> 1:31:38.439
<v Speaker 1>me from the wet spot. Yeah. Well, you know, just

1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:40.519
<v Speaker 1>an average deer around here. You know, when the big

1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>couple of the world, but a little buck man juice

1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>down there and see what turns up. No, and and

1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's important. I appreciate that. Actually this is the

1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>deer hunting is really good around here. I mean, there's

1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.559
<v Speaker 1>a reason people come to Richland County. And he's trying

1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>to drive you see her, trying to drive the values.

1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:04.599
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to restore property values now. But I've acquired

1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:06.519
<v Speaker 1>all that landed on building the back up and you

1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>know it's a matter of fact. Um. But uh. And

1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the way to to uh, I mean, just keep doing it,

1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>keep enjoying it. And you know, this is an an

1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting point. It's very different than what you guys are

1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>dealing with. What you guys deal with out there, But

1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:27.479
<v Speaker 1>pent of our county is considered deer habitat mhm um

1:32:27.680 --> 1:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's about um fifty uh square miles so but

1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:37.839
<v Speaker 1>of that is privately owned. So if we're gonna do anything,

1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>really we need to either incentivize or force private landowners

1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:45.479
<v Speaker 1>to do something about it. I'm kind of working on

1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the incentivized end of it, you know. And and um,

1:32:48.040 --> 1:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I try to share my place with as

1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>many people as I can. Um. And you're right, and

1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>we still have big giant bucks. You know, there's there's

1:32:55.160 --> 1:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>some beautiful deer around. Um. Interestingly, also, most of deer

1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>that we've had positive The oldest one was a three

1:33:03.760 --> 1:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>year old doll. The other ones have been year and

1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a half and two years, two and a half year

1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:09.519
<v Speaker 1>old bucks, and a year and a half old dough.

1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So you know our older bucks. I mean you remember, Yanni,

1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the last time you were here with with all the

1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>all your buddies, all the Levians from from Tooma, all

1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>those deer man truck full of deer, including that one

1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>big giant buck, that the one eyed bucket, that another

1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>honest shot um, and none of those dear tested positive um.

1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know there's those deer around. But that's by

1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>controlling the disease, we can continue to have that kind

1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of hunting. That's the other end of it. So I mean,

1:33:40.120 --> 1:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to do all this stuff. You know, Steve,

1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:45.599
<v Speaker 1>you and I've talked about oak management, and I'm trying

1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:47.639
<v Speaker 1>to manage jokes. I want deer around, but I don't

1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>want too many. And it's the you know, these things

1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>are the same, the same, The reasoning is exactly the same.

1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're trying to balance everything in an ecosystem. Um.

1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>So you know, if I could have have an inanimate

1:34:02.120 --> 1:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>object on the podcast, I would have the wet spot

1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. It's a magic place, like why are

1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you always wet? Why are you a mud puddle? And

1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:17.439
<v Speaker 1>why you always go look at you? And I have

1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>stilled that thing up. I have actually filled that up

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<v Speaker 1>with clay and run it over and you know, packed

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<v Speaker 1>it up because I don't want a bunch of waters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like a leopard. Don't change his spots. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>he'd say if I asked him. What you might try

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<v Speaker 1>now is instead of fighting, you know the wet spot,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just make your road go around the way. Watch,

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<v Speaker 1>just move your road over ten ft and a pond

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<v Speaker 1>in the road. Now, now you're gonna force me to

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<v Speaker 1>go up there and take a picture, because that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I've done. What's what's the fifercent of your county?

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<v Speaker 1>That's not dear habit? Is it like concrete and water

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<v Speaker 1>or what? Um? Yeah, the highways in Richland Center our

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<v Speaker 1>county seat. We have thirty deer in this uh county

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<v Speaker 1>by the estimates in the population. The human population is

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<v Speaker 1>about seventeen thousand. So man, uh Yanni. We didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>our new dog expert. We didn't get to your you'll

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<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll you'll retain. Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll tease it. We're gonna talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>um blood trailing. Well, it's like a growing thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been growing It's been around for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just be gets more and more prevalent. Is

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<v Speaker 1>like every group of hunters. My prediction is in in

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<v Speaker 1>some number of years, every group of hunters, someone in

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<v Speaker 1>that group it's gonna want to have a recovery dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I was just thinking how when I first

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<v Speaker 1>heard about it, nobody that I didn't even know anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that had maybe even like use the recovery dog to

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<v Speaker 1>find a wounded deer. It was just like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that you kind of heard about. But now

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<v Speaker 1>I would almost bet someone in this room has used

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<v Speaker 1>recovery dog to find a deer. Anybody I've been, I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen one not recover one. Yeah, we attempted in Michigan. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, like I know people now they're like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well yeah, and he's got all kinds of stats we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get at. But uh, I gotta I gotta scoop,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta scoot al right, buddy, thanks a lot um

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it, Seth. It's a good job. I want to get, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get Do you think it'd be too distracting?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when someone like when Seth talking about what he

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about, Remember how I said, I wanted one

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<v Speaker 1>of those dials that they use when they're testing things

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<v Speaker 1>on people. Yeah, like how the the how their their

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<v Speaker 1>interests dial? Yeah, if we had if when like if

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<v Speaker 1>Seth was talking about something, if we had one that

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<v Speaker 1>that was like a low like but then as he talks,

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<v Speaker 1>if I get more interests, I turned it up and

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<v Speaker 1>then it pretty soon like do you do that would

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<v Speaker 1>detract from the listening experience. Unfortunately, yes, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>that the better job he does, you turn it down

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<v Speaker 1>so like so when he starts out, when he starts,

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<v Speaker 1>but as he starts kicking ass it quiet and he

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting pumped up in senive to kick as exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, he did a good He did a

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<v Speaker 1>good job on that, especially like the part when he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to turn it into a dog thing. Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Doug was right to compreciate that it was good. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I didn't hear that, Seth. What did you

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<v Speaker 1>say about dog? Just good? That was philm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>dog a great looking Just like when somebody says Doug

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<v Speaker 1>is right, I usually asked him. He's like what what what? Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentleman, Doug durn far away and a far

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<v Speaker 1>away disease land. Hey have me on for something that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't c w D. Sometime I might do that dog anytime. Dog,

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<v Speaker 1>we have dog on to talk about how to properly

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<v Speaker 1>get your cheese curd squeaky again if you've left them

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<v Speaker 1>out so long that they're not squeaky anymore, that'll be

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<v Speaker 1>dog on curd. Stay tuned