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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X? All right, everybody? Uh,

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Speaker 1: first thing, I was gonna start off talking about how

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Speaker 1: disappointed I am at Chester's job, of the how bad

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Speaker 1: like they're they're they go together, but they're cock eyed.

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Speaker 1: And then and then he allowed. But what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: else was there? Seth that was really out of place? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Soda pop, multiple cases of SODA's. I'm like coach right now.

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Speaker 1: And then in Mexico, we'll sometimes get to thinking I

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Speaker 1: in that. Instead, we're gonna talk about part two, so

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Speaker 1: like it doesn't really matter to you folks, but the

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Speaker 1: more episode. We've got more episodes up on Netflix starting

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Speaker 1: uh February seventeen. February seventeen, four days after I turned

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Speaker 1: a whopping can you believe it? I can been alive

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Speaker 1: that long? Yeah, and you're still tearing up the mountains.

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Speaker 1: I'm like an inspiration for old people. Yeah, you're you're

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Speaker 1: doing good. I think. Uh. Five new episodes up on

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Speaker 1: throwaway episodes Good Ones coming up. Um. I'm pointing this

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Speaker 1: out because I like this person's name Sondra. How do

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Speaker 1: still do it anyway. I was mostly interested in her name.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, there's this artist. Check this out.

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Speaker 1: There's this artist. She's not you. You wouldn't freaking believe here.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about someone who's good at making art. Well,

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Speaker 1: my favorite you know, my favorite artist is Seth girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: So don't don't be thinking that that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: But this Seth Plugger. What's her instagram? Yea, because I

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Speaker 1: It's like it's I'm being metaphorical for sure. Okay now

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Speaker 1: this okay? Plug her ka underscore Ray John's. Yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: emerging as um emerging as the greatest wildlife artist of

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Speaker 1: all time. Meanwhile, hot on her heels. There's an artist

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Speaker 1: her on her Her instagram is Jamie Wild Art. Jamie

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Speaker 1: it looks a lot like a photo, but like, I

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Speaker 1: on there? Oh, sony, because Krane made those duck feet

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Speaker 1: You know, states all have prohibitions on bartering and trading

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Speaker 1: um wildlife meaning is technically illegal for you to say

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Speaker 1: he was interested in. You know, people don't know if

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00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: people know this honey bees are not native here. And

425
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: this guy was interested in um check has checked in.

426
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: His name is Bradbury. William was interested in that the

427
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: honey bees were always like ahead of civil ahead of civilization,

428
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: that they that that honeybees colonized land ahead of Europeans.

429
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: But he comes out to do this deal, to do

430
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: this big uh gather up all this vegetation and he

431
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: wants to publish on you know, vegetation of the American West,

432
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: John Bradbury, John Bradbury. He's got like an assistant with him.

433
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: At some point he wraps up his project and sends

434
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: the assistant home with all these trunks full of all

435
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: of his samples, and he's got a fig or two

436
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: he wants to get taken care of, and gets way

437
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: laid by the new managed earthquake when the river flows backwards.

438
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Gets delayed by that and over this like changes his

439
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: route home and tries to go down through Louisiana. The

440
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: War of eighteen twelve starts up, and the guys like

441
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't get back to it. He's like two years

442
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: late getting back. Now, if you're like two days later,

443
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you get all stressed out. The guy that gets home

444
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: two years late. His assistant meanwhile steals his ship and

445
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: and and publishes the piece she thought he was dead.

446
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, we should get him on the podcast,

447
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: look him up, get him on the podcast. But did

448
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: you can get one of those those mediums, one of

449
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: those people that communicate. Did he contest it? Like, was

450
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: he able to get it back? Is under his name

451
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: or yeah? Something like that one on? But that my uh,

452
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: that's why I was asking Spencer to dig in, but

453
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: he forgot about It's really you would just tell me

454
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: that flat out that you just she also chose not

455
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: out to the research. I'm not gonna be rick and

456
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: try to get in a hole here. You manage an

457
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: earthquake river the Wilco has a song or no what

458
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Wilco used to be before they're Wilco Uncle Tupelo. They

459
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: had a song about that earthquake go on. So what

460
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about this murder is just what

461
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: has been said from the district attorney or what was

462
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: said on the Back to the Lodge podcast. Now, the

463
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: host of the Back to the Lodge podcast is a

464
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: friend of the witness to the murders, So I would

465
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: um lend some ability to what he had to say.

466
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: He's he's a secondhand person and uh, I would say,

467
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: one of the best sources within the first three days

468
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: of this happening. Um, you're gonna ask me to clarify

469
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things or add more details and probably

470
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: not gonna have them. Well, I would just like to UM,

471
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna lean away from my microphone after I

472
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: say this. I would like you to cover the ways

473
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: in which people, um sought to assign a narrative to

474
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: this that would uh support certain criticisms of hunting on

475
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: this lake. Okay, leaning back, So Monday morning, Yeah, in

476
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: the date just because this is now, it's like February

477
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: fift but it happened with January. Oh, what we'll do

478
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: man later, we'll uh, I leaned back forward. UM, you

479
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: can just put your updates. We'll put like updates or something. Sure,

480
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: we we've been updating the story on our website, so

481
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: as like even more information becomes available, you'll find stuff there.

482
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Certainly the story of change. By the time this episode drops.

483
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: This happened Monday morning, January. All that was really known

484
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: was that a seven year old suspect was sought for

485
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: killing a twenty six year old and a twenty five

486
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: year old duck hunter. Early speculation on Facebook and forums

487
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: was that there was a dispute. There were local reporters

488
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: even reporting that there was a dispute. Some said it

489
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: was over a blind. This lake is said to have

490
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: six hundred duck hunting blinds, a mix of private and public.

491
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: Some of them you can earn by like being in

492
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: a draw system, um. Some of them are like staked

493
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: out for the season from what I've understood some some

494
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: people said it was a dispute over a blind. Other

495
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: people said that it was an argument over sky busting

496
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: or shooting at swinging birds. The blinds tend to get

497
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: piled up on this lake in a way that if

498
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: ducks are decoying to one blind, somebody in another blind

499
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: could have the opportunity to shoot at those birds before

500
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: they make it to the hunter that's actually calling them.

501
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: So that was also in the early speculation Monday night

502
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: that was sort of like the accepted story that this

503
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: seventy year old man left his blind, came over to

504
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: the blind of the year old and year old and

505
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: shot him for sky busting birds or shooting at swinging ducks.

506
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: To his decoys and this UM. It was like it

507
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: had sort of become a story of the culture of

508
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Real foot Leg. When you saw this talked about on Facebook,

509
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: people were like, why am I not surprised? Like, of

510
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: course it was Real foot Leg. I knew right away

511
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: when I heard this story there's gonna be a real

512
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: foot Leg. There's so many problems there with bullying and

513
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: intimidation UM and conflicts between non residents and residents and

514
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: guides and d I y ar is um that this

515
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: is just a product that has been boiling up for decades.

516
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: So that was like the early story of what had happened.

517
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: We've since learned that it seems as though that's not

518
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: the reality of of what took place. So what I'll

519
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: what I'll tell you now is like what we've learned,

520
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: like I said, from the District Attorney and the podcast

521
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: UM where the host had sort of second and information

522
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: year old Zach Grooms, twenty year old Chance Black, and

523
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: fifty eight year old Jeff Crabtree got to their duck

524
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: mind about six am. On Real Foot Lake. At nine

525
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: or ten am, a boat approaches the blind. The person

526
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: in the boat is the suspect seventy year old David Vowel.

527
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: He asked if he can join the three hunters and

528
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: they said yes. Boal then loads his gun and shoots

529
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Grooms at point blank range in the chest. What has

530
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: been said on the podcast is that Um, the other

531
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: hunters thought that they just witnessed a tragic accident. They

532
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: rush over to Grooms and as they're like trying to

533
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: help Grooms, Vowel then shoots Black in the side, killing

534
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: him as well. So the seven year old has now

535
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: shot the twenty six year old and the year old

536
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: within minutes of arriving at their blind asking me if

537
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: he can hunt with them. So now we have the

538
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: seventy year old left and the fifty eight year old

539
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Crabtree left. Crabtree wrestles the gun away from Vowel,

540
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: strikes him with the butt of the gun, knocks Vowel

541
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: into the lake, and throws the shotgun into the water.

542
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: The water at their blind was about waist deep. Investigators

543
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: later recovered the gun and said a third shell was

544
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: in the gun, but it was jammed. Um. So some

545
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: have suspected that Vowel was also going to try to

546
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: shoot crab Tree. Now in Tennessee or it is probably

547
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: a federal law. I guess right, you could have to

548
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: have a UG and you're gone. You can only have

549
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: three shells. So that was his third shell. Um. Nobody

550
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: has officially said that, right, vow was going to shoot Crabtree,

551
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: but that's some early speculation that this third shell was

552
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: jammed in the recovered show, did he have a if

553
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: you had a semi auto, it just would have cycled

554
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: on its own. I don't know. No, not a lot

555
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: of details right now on that palm. Yeah, So Vowel,

556
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: the shooter has been knocked into the water. There's two

557
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: men that are laying there with close range shots from

558
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: a shotgun. Crabtree loads them into the boat and drives

559
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: away from the scene. As he's driving away, he looks

560
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: back and he sees Vowel getting out of the water

561
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: and walking towards the bank of the lake. And that's

562
00:34:46,760 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: the last time that Vowel is seen. So at this

563
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: point you have Grooms and Black that are dead. Crab

564
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: Tree is alive, and Vowel is missing and has been

565
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: charged with two counts of murder. They have not yet

566
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: found him. Why was it that? Why was it that?

567
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: When you know, whenever something like this happens, Like you

568
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: just get flooded with text messages and lengths and whatnot. Um,

569
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: what was all the stuff that he's like on the

570
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: bottom of the the suspect is like on the bottom

571
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: of the lake somewhere, or you know that he's probably

572
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: not alive. Like what is that coming from? The weather

573
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: has been bad in that area, Um. Like I said earlier,

574
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Real Foot Lake is largely a submerged or a flooded forest. UM.

575
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff below the surface that

576
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: makes it dangerous for boating. The lake has rised um

577
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: since Monday because of storms. There's been wind and rain. UM.

578
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: And his his boat was found two dred yards away

579
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: from the scene, but Vowel has not been found. So

580
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Vowel left the scene on foot and because of the rain,

581
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: the cold temperatures, the rising water, they suspect that if

582
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: he's still in the area, that he's not alive. And

583
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: that is a quote that the d A had. He

584
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: had said there's no good way out of there. This

585
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: from the District Attorney. It's a huge wilderness area. We're

586
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: convinced someone assisted him in leaving the area or he's

587
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: still in the area. If he's still in the area,

588
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: he's more than likely not alive now. Like I said,

589
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: within the first twenty four hours, UM, most folks had

590
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: assumed that this was an argument that happened over the

591
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: blind or over swinging ducks or whatever. And the language

592
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: that the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation of Investigators investigation had

593
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: used was that Vowel um has not been caught and

594
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: he is armed and dangerous, which sort of like fuel

595
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: that UM this that this was like an argument that

596
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: happened on the podcast. A friend of Crabtree said, there

597
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: was no confrontation, there was no fighting over a duck,

598
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: there was no fighting over a blind. What did take

599
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: place was heartbreaking, and that is that a gentleman Vowel

600
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: who was going through something very very difficult and challenging,

601
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: was not able to process what they were going through

602
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: and that resulted in the tragedy on Monday. Now, the

603
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: district Attorney has also been quoted saying, one of the

604
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: first things we look for is a motive. Here. We

605
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: don't have a motive. We don't see a motive. Mental

606
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: illness may prompt a shooting or a crime. Perhaps that's

607
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: what we have here, or there may be some motive

608
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: that we just don't understand. Those were quotes that came

609
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: out um yesterday morning, but then last night, um sort

610
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: of like the information that everyone was waiting for to

611
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: be confirmed. The d A said in an interview that Vowel,

612
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: the seven year old shooter, has early onset de matia.

613
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I take it they've been probably interviewing family

614
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: and friends of Vowel. Yes, yep, and and Val had

615
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: no criminal record prior to this. UM. I had read

616
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: a quote from a friend somewhere that it said something

617
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: like he wouldn't go as far to say a cuss word. Um.

618
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Not not that that doesn't make somebody cable of murder,

619
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: but it's sort of adds to the this being a

620
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: mental illness thing and and fueled by the dementia. That

621
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: the d A is now confirmed. So the d A

622
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: has provided like a lot of information. One of the

623
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: reporters working on this story said that he's the most

624
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: transparent DA that you could possibly ask for, and has

625
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: been really good about communicating with people. But the d

626
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: A also said that it's his job to not cloud

627
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: the judgment for a potential future jury, So with that,

628
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: there's probably some information or details being withheld yet that

629
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: that we don't know. Obviously, law enforcement has has more

630
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: information at this point. Man, crazy heartbreaking. Yeah, from Spencer's

631
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: crime desk. Yeah, So this is all the information we

632
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: have right now. Um, We're gonna keep updating the media

633
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: dot com as things become available. Who knows, by the

634
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: end of the day, they could have a body, they

635
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: could have him in jail. We could know more about

636
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: his mental state now. And another important detail on this

637
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: is a lot of people have asked why didn't crab

638
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Tree shoot Vowel. Um, there were plenty of guns around,

639
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: he obviously had like that opportunity to do it. And Um.

640
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: The host of the podcast who had talked to Crabtree

641
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: again said that the gentleman that survived this didn't even

642
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: have the heart to shoot the guy self defense. He

643
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: even tried to help the third party that has wanted,

644
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: which is Vowel. He even tried to get him to shore,

645
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: which sort of further confirms that there was just some

646
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: sort of some state of confusion by Vowel when this happened.

647
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. An interesting thing about how it was

648
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: handled in the how it was handled in the media

649
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: would be that because there was no there's no no

650
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: actual connection to these problems that people talk about at

651
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: Real foot Leg, these like overcrowding, competition, all the tension there.

652
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: They would like the articles would be like, oh, there's

653
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: double homicide at Real foot Lake and then didn't have

654
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: this sort of tone where like, oh, you know, by

655
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: the way, a lot of disputes on Real foot Leg

656
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: about blinds and who historically had a blind and now

657
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: that the public land hunters are there and they're hunting,

658
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: just to know a little something to keep in mind.

659
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: That was how it was presented. Yeah, making the connection,

660
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: but but the glue isn't there. Hey, this is Spencer

661
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: new Heart And since we recorded this podcast, there have

662
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: been new developments on the Real foot Lake double homicide.

663
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: On January, the Tennessee Bereau of Investigation announced that they

664
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: recovered the body of David Vowel in Real Foot Lake.

665
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: According to the Tennessee River Valley News, Vowels discovered by

666
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: a hunting guide in an area locals referred to as

667
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: Grassy Island, a spot not too far from where the

668
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: incident took place. Although autopsy results won't be back for

669
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: a few weeks. Nick Barriss of news Channel five heard

670
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: from sources that Vowel died of an apparent drowning. High

671
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: lake levels from heavy rain caused authorities to temporarily halt

672
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: the search, and District attorney Tommy Thomas said the water

673
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: temperature was thirty nine degrees. This is a developing case

674
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: that we're gonna continue to update you on. Head over

675
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com for more on this story.

676
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: I gotta follow up for how excited are you to

677
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: go uh fishing with me on Monday? And why is

678
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: it that your wife will not go? Um? And I

679
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: told you that we would wind her and dine her,

680
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: and you still said she will not go. I'm excited

681
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: to go. My wife just is not interested in in

682
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing in general. To take offense when I

683
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: said we'd wine her and diner um, and I'm I'm

684
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: cool with that. My wife has zero percent interests in

685
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: participating in ice fishing. Ice fishing off to call her,

686
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: talk to her about what it's like to be out

687
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: in the cold and dark huh at night fishing and

688
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: how she might enjoy it. And you didn't even want

689
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: me to give her a ring? No, No, I am

690
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm real satisfying. What you don't understand here is it's

691
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: very cold and dark. I'm real satisfied by her lack

692
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: of interests in participating because I would rather be zero

693
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: percent than like, dude. I am not saying to trust me,

694
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: trust me. I am not saying that she ought to

695
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: be should pretend to be. I just was looking for

696
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: a little clarification. I have tons of friends where their

697
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: spouses or boyfriends or girlfriends or fiance's have like that

698
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: third year, that forty interest in participating in stuff, but

699
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: then they get cold, they get tired, they don't want

700
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: to wake up in time, and it just like makes

701
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: the experience worse for everybody. My wife was that way

702
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: at one point. If we've been together for over a

703
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: decade at this point, that at zero percent. It's been

704
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: that way for the last five years, and we're both

705
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: very happy with that. Arrangements. Speaking rocks at risk of

706
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: fostering of jealous fractious work environment here, I'll point out

707
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: that my wife got a nice set of earrings from

708
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Spencer's wife out of rocks he picked. They picked so

709
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the Karan and so it did to the field A

710
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: pair Doug get ear rings over there, buddy, I don't

711
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: but I uh, I understand, um and and sympathize with

712
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: Spencer might sympathize the wrong word. But my wife is

713
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: not interested in hunting at all either. I mean, she's

714
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: an artist. She's just like, this is what I do,

715
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: that's what you do. And um, other than the eating

716
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: of it, you know, it's it's really not a thing.

717
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: It can be a little hard sometimes because the amount

718
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: of time that I want to spend at it, and

719
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you're gonna go and do that. I'm

720
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: gonna go and do something else. But um, I guess

721
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: we get enough together in this time. So but Doug's

722
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: wife will garden circles around you, that's for sure. Doug

723
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: didn't get ear rings, but I did send him some

724
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: other rocks the other day. Oh yeah, man, And and uh,

725
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: garnering all kinds of favor with me, Spencer is and

726
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and almost to the point where I'm forgiving him for

727
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: some of his transgressions about Wisconsin. But but yeah, and

728
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: they're probably displayed. I guess. I actually I posted a

729
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: picture about about him, a couple of garnets and some

730
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: petrified wood, and um, it's really interesting going to your

731
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: mailbox and actually I guess they came ups. But you

732
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: pick up this thing and Tricia's like, what is in here?

733
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: I said, what's a bagger rocks? She didn't believe me

734
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: until I opened it up, but there it was banggar rocks.

735
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: You guys going rock picking on not yeah, Doug, not

736
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: rock dogs, Like did we talk about this before we did?

737
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Doug heard rock picking. He got excited cause he thought

738
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: they were going out into fields picking rocks to make

739
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: a farmer's life easier. And he's like, that's awful. Nice

740
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: to them dogs Like Doug, you know, doesn't enjoy rock picking,

741
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: but no recognize it as something it needs to happen,

742
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: and there's there's a great value in it. And actually, uh,

743
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: the flint rock that we haven't here in in the

744
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Driftless area um in particular in our township, my father

745
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: always referred to as Westford diamonds. So so I'm looking

746
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: forward to Spenser coming and picking some Westford diamonds someday.

747
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: But rock hounding. You guys are going rock hounding on

748
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: Monday before we fish. And then she's going on home.

749
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: She's gonna go home, and I'm gonna get ice fishing

750
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: and uh, like I said, are you guys going after

751
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: bourbon again? Oh, we can't talk about that top secret. Sorry. Alright,

752
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: SOE hit this deal. This has been sitting and this

753
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: has been sitting in our art to do list for

754
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: long ast time. Are you equipped? Because I'll see your

755
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: name there. Um, there's this fella from Louisiana that rode in. Um.

756
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: He's a archery hunter. Um he was. He had this,

757
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: I would say, a hit list bucket. He had had

758
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: his eye on for quite some time and had a

759
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: bunch of trail camp pictures of it and tried killing

760
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: it with no success. And then one day it showed

761
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: up on his neighbor's trail camera with it's antler flopping

762
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: to one side. Mm hmm um. His neighbor showed him

763
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: the pictures and he he didn't think that it was

764
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: the same buck that he was after until a couple

765
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: of days later showed up on his trail camera and

766
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: then he realized, you know, that's the same buck that

767
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: he's been after, and it must have been hit by

768
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: a car or something, and it broke a chunk of like,

769
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: didn't break his antler off, it broke the skull below

770
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: the pedicle. Um, so he had just had like a

771
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: flopping nailer. And so the guy like it actually had

772
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: like movement, like when it walked, it flopped. If you

773
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: look at the pictures of yeah, if you look at

774
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: i'm a saw, Yeah, it looks it's a nice buck.

775
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: It's a damn nice buck. I'm sure, yeah, I'm I'm

776
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: sure it would flop when he would walk. It looks flop.

777
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: He's probably painful. So he Oh my god, can you

778
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: imagine man, having your skull cracked? This happened, this very

779
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: story happened to me in Yanny. But go on, Um,

780
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: so he like he he made it like he he

781
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: really wanted to kill this buck to just basically put

782
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: it out of its misery. Um, which I don't know

783
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: if the thing would live or not. Man, they can

784
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: survive so much. I've seen elk man, I've seen l

785
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: killed up from broken skulls. I killed a wild hog

786
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: one time that had broken his lower jaw clean and

787
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: it had fused back together. Really I shouldn't say clean.

788
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: It was so broken and fused up and whatnot that

789
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said broke it clean, look

790
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: like a broke like I mean like broke the jaw. Yeah,

791
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: you know why, I think I thought it was broken

792
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: broken clean, because it healed at an angle like a

793
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: hockey stick. And I was like, there's no way that

794
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: would have happened if it had been Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Um,

795
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: why are you looking incredulous when I say that? I'm no,

796
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. I trust you. You were there for the pig.

797
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember. So he made a liar. So this

798
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: this guy made it is like personal mission to try

799
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: and kill this buck, put it out of its misery,

800
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: try to get it because it's a huge buck. Well yeah,

801
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure that too, but since it's suffering, he like

802
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: really wanted to get it now. Um, he says, fast

803
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: forward several days, he got his opportunity, made a fifty

804
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: yard shot and watched it expire. Um, so he has

805
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: this nice buck with a floppy handler. He wanted to

806
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: get it mounted. Um. So he got it mounted and

807
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: he had When he had it mounted, he had it

808
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: put back normal, like like you know, the buck was

809
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: the whole time that he was getting pictures of it

810
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: and had all this history with it. Stupid, stupid, stupid,

811
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: And he wants our opinion on that because he's getting

812
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of flak from He's getting a lot of

813
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: flak from friends and colleagues and just he says, even

814
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: random strangers just as a knock at the door, Like, Dad,

815
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: someone's here. I don't know who it is. Um, yeah,

816
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: apparently people are giving them ship that people are getting

817
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: because he didn't mount the bucks. Here are you? I

818
00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: got the grocery store. Somebody's like the guy, I recognize you. Yeah. Um.

819
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's catching a lot of flak from for

820
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: mounting this buck how it was before he broke his skull.

821
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: He his argument is that he was putting it back

822
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: into its state of glory. Listen, man, that was a

823
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: huge mistake. I would put that buck mount out in

824
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: the road in hopes that someone hits it and knocks

825
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: it back to how it's supposed to be really yes,

826
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: or I just hit it real hard with a bat.

827
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: Why is that supposed to be that way again? Because listen,

828
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I've never got well, no I have. I've gotten some

829
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: rugs and things. I've never gotten a shoulder mount of

830
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: something made up but ever no, but okay, how about this,

831
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: how about you get a buck. I've never got a

832
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: shoulder mount what would it take for you to get

833
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: shoulder mount well, when my I would like to get

834
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: my eight fathers. He has a fawn, a dear fawn.

835
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: He had a wild pigs, but that my brother took.

836
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: He has a a little ship and buck mounted. He's

837
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: got a bare shoulder mount mounted. He's got a pig

838
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: shoulder mount mounted. I want all those mountains, but I

839
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: don't want one. I don't like that. I think that

840
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't think they look cool. And you would never

841
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: ever say you killed the state record white. I'd do

842
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: what I would always do. I'd get the skull cleaned

843
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: up and put it on my skull shelf. I just thought, like,

844
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: I don't think they look cool personally, I don't think

845
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to like make it be back to

846
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: how it looked. Well in this case, he should. I'm

847
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: not like like like I'm comfortable with its deadness, right,

848
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with his deadness. Do you know the painter

849
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: um Tell's her name as painting skulls and bones and

850
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: whatnot Southwest Santa Fe. You think she ran around painting

851
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: uh dear looking all normal uh schools. So here's the thing.

852
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: If I wasn't gona get one, And I said to

853
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: the text and hers, oh yeah, if you don't mind,

854
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: you just make them look a little bigger. Like the

855
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: point is, it's how you got it. If you are

856
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: going to do it, it's how it was when you

857
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: got it. That's what you're memorializing. When you get a

858
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: fish stuffed and they don't even use the fish. When

859
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: you get a fish stuff, you don't change it to

860
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: have it be like, you know, like, oh yeah, if

861
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: you don't mind adding a few pounds on there, Like

862
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: I feel like he must have been a lot bigger

863
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: when he was spawning, when she was spawning last spring,

864
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: So let's make her look fat. What was her glory?

865
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: What would you do in this situation out of stuff

866
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: that thing so fast, with that antler cocked over to

867
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: the side. You know, you wouldn't have stuffed it. You

868
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: would have just don't always do, and boiled the skull,

869
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: and you would I like one would have like a

870
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: four inch chunk of skull attached to it, and it

871
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: would be quite Everybody would ask you have a story

872
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: to tell a lot? Yeah, I know. In fact, I

873
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: have a different way to look at it. We go ahead,

874
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: Spencer in twenty I shot a buck in late December

875
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: with my muzzleloader that dropped in his tracks. He didn't

876
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: move an inch from where he was standing when my

877
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: bullet hit him. What month December? He dropped to the ground,

878
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: and when I got up to him, one antler had

879
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: popped off, and he wasn't how you got him, Well,

880
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if he died before the antler popped

881
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: off or not. There there was a tight window there

882
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: where I can't assess what exactly happened. So what would

883
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: you mount it with the antler back on him? Yes,

884
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: because that's how it was when I shot at it. Oh,

885
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: all right, so it was when I shot at him. Oh,

886
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: also a remy one time he shot elk and the

887
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: fell over nailer fell off because it slid down the mountain,

888
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: busted at antler. We're with him for that one, I

889
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: do remember. Yeah, I'd be like, in my mind, you

890
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: can screw that back on because it wasn't. That's how

891
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: you got him was with his antlers. Now, what if

892
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: you shot a deer saying like October with your bow

893
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: and he runs off. You made a bad shot in

894
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: the guts, he runs off. You know that's reasonable. You

895
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: never find him until until February you find him. But

896
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: by this time squirrels have chewed up his antlers. They're

897
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: now bleached white. He doesn't look like he was when

898
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: you shot at him. Are you going to restore him? No?

899
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: But you know what the you know how I said,

900
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I want to get my old man's buck. So my

901
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: old man he this buck was like not a big buck,

902
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: but it was big for at the time, because you

903
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: don't see like you never saw bucks had lived past

904
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: their first year. So what we thought was an enormous

905
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: buck wasn't. It was just I can't remember it was.

906
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: It's like a white tail. He got it stuffed. Here's

907
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: the dirty secret. There was a dirty secret. He told

908
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: anybody about it. So the old man is sitting there

909
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: in what we call the pine plantation on the Zlot farm,

910
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: and the old man sticks a deer right below him. Okay,

911
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: so there's no exit. The arrows comes into like into

912
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: his back and no exit. Wound right in the lungs.

913
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: It runs into the corn and he's like dead deer. Okay.

914
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: In our tracking of that, we could never find a

915
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: drop of blood. Were now looking back on it, I

916
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: think that we basically were like sitting like sitting on

917
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: that deer, sitting around that deer. But we just in

918
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: the corn somehow didn't find it, even though we like

919
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: circle all around it because the farmer then went to

920
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: harvest that corn field and found the deer. Uh, my

921
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: old man questionable or not. My old man took the

922
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: head off that deer, went out, got the head off

923
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: that deer and got a cap from someone and stuff

924
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: the deer. And that's your city. Is in my mom's

925
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: living room at the minute. I'm sitting here talking to him.

926
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: She puts a Christmas bowl around its neck at Christmas.

927
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: It's sitting there right now. So he did reconstruct the buck.

928
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: He didn't recover that buck. But we know that we

929
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: should have ended like we just missed it in the corn.

930
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense we missed it. I later went,

931
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 1: I was with my brother. We later went and looked

932
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: at that buck, the headless buck, and I looked at there.

933
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: I can see a possums tail wiggling around in there,

934
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: and there's a hole in about four inches across. And

935
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: I put my hand here and hauled that possum out

936
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: by the tail and took a photo of it. In

937
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: that buck and like over time all the details went

938
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: away and it became like the old man's buck was it?

939
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But that like it became like,

940
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: oh there was a dad's big buck. It's like kind

941
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: of yeah, that's a whole another rabbit hole. I don't know,

942
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: if we have time, I have a way to look

943
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: at it. So he gets his buck mounted because he

944
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: wants to remember it how it was before it got

945
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: messed up. So you have a dog, right, and you

946
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: spend lots of time with this dog, but for some

947
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: reason the last month of its life it ends up

948
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: getting sick and then dies. Do you want to remember

949
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: that dog for the life you had with it before

950
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: it got sick or the last month of its life

951
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: when it was sick seth bringing the heat? I like it.

952
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: Here's the deal man dog shaking his head on the

953
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: big screen. So so the dog analogy is it doesn't

954
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: work because this is the wild animal and uh, had

955
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: that deer or not had its horn busted, that guy

956
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: may not have gotten it. So that I agree with

957
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: Steve on that, Yeah he shot him. Yeah, I mean

958
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: if had had its wits about it, he may not

959
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: have gotten it. I mean, the only it sounds like

960
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: the reason he got it is because it didn't have

961
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: its wits about it. Yeah. You know, I shot a

962
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: one idea one time, and everybody thought that I got

963
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: it because they had one eye. But I pointed out

964
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: that it's good I was in my face, in my direction. Yeah.

965
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Um so my taxidermist or the guy who does taxidermy

966
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: around here is a friend of mine. When people ask

967
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: him to fix an antler, he won't do it. He's

968
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: like that he's got that screw. He said, Now, I

969
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: won't do it. That's not the way you killed the deer.

970
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: And then, of course the other thing is when you

971
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: do get a deer stuffed, the only part of it,

972
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hide, but the the is the

973
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: skull cap. So the ones I kind of feel like

974
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: you do, Steve, I'll probably never get another one another

975
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: shoulder a mount because they just don't look like the

976
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: deer that was killed. Yeah, but the standard, the standard

977
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: looks awesome, man. Well yeah, but it doesn't look like

978
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: a deer that was running around. But it's a great

979
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: piece of taxing. It's just an average buck for around here.

980
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: Um anyway, Uh but uh, but he was big. I mean,

981
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: his face and everything was bigger. I mean, when they

982
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: do those measurements and they cut stuff off every deer

983
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: that I've seen stuffed and that I was able to

984
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: compare it to in life, they just don't look they

985
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: don't look as good, they don't look as big to

986
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: me at least. Here's the one way. Think what you

987
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: should have said, Seth, Well, you should have said this.

988
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: If I was doing what you're doing, I would have

989
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: done this. I would have said, let's say you're married

990
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: and you love your spouse like and you're married fifty years,

991
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: most beautiful um spouse you ever late eyes. I'm trying

992
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: to make this so it's everybody can appreciate it. I'm

993
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: just saying, spouse, most beautiful spouse you ever laid eyes on,

994
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: loved her your whole life, him her, them, spouse, spouse

995
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: and then they develop a heinous uh facial problem that

996
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: kills him. Uh. They very much wanted to have an

997
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: open casket. This is what you should say. They very

998
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: much want to have it. Always had said when I die,

999
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: I would like you to have an open casket funeral. Yeah,

1000
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: the mortician comes to you and says, Seth, how are

1001
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: we going to roll here. I could fix it right

1002
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: back to her glory, him to his glory, or I

1003
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: can leave it the way it is. That's what you

1004
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: should have said, yep, not making some dog and then

1005
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: you would say, then you would say fix it, implying

1006
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: that this deer had said that he would want to

1007
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: be mounted right, had said to his buddies, he said, listen,

1008
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: everyone knows sometimes you don't make it through the run.

1009
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: Should I fall? I was doing general? Should I fall

1010
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: during general firearm? Let it be known. I don't want

1011
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: them when I said this happened to me in Yanni.

1012
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: This is embarrassing for me. We're hunting deer one time

1013
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: and I see a buck coming and it's in the

1014
01:02:54,560 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: brush that deep I'll never come out before I go on,

1015
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 1: brushed very much obscured my vision. I see a deer

1016
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: coming that has such huge antlers that there's actually antlers

1017
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: coming out of its chin, like so much antler that

1018
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: there's antler blow. It's jaw. I believe, I said, here

1019
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: comes a buck of a lifetime. Yes, But it was

1020
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: in fact a forky that had got hit by a

1021
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 1: car and one of its antlers had become dislodged. Yeah,

1022
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: I just saw like times. Yeah, if there's a time

1023
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: by its chin, there must be ten. Imagine how many

1024
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: must be on top of its head. Hard to see

1025
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: in that rude But I'm telling you, oh, I don't

1026
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: have much to say about this. Uh this here talking

1027
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: point and story other than I feel like it's a

1028
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: little trivial and you know, we should all be so

1029
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: lucky that we can, you know, have fun talk about this.

1030
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: But like Bradley, I think you should do whatever you

1031
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: want to do with that damn button and all those

1032
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: people is tell him to f off. Don't worry about

1033
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: straight desk, right, I want to worry about the random strange. Uh. Yes,

1034
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: Spencer primed me up for this especial when I had

1035
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: a little chit chat the other day. W D. Yeah,

1036
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are Um. I heard

1037
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: from Karin. I heard from Krin that you wanted us

1038
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: to not beat this one to death. You didn't even

1039
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: need to hear from Karan because you were also on

1040
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: the email. What I said is that through data on

1041
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: our website, there's a bit of exhaustion from our readership

1042
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: about c w D. It's hard to get them interested.

1043
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: So I said, there's probably a little bit of the

1044
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: same sentiment among podcast listeners. That's what the email said. Well,

1045
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like you're sure, uh not filling Dug's bucket.

1046
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: Du During, It's very very important that we do continue

1047
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: to talk about it, even if it has been beaten.

1048
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: But what Spencer prime me on that, I had no

1049
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: idea that was going on, which is the exciting part.

1050
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you should say this to the end, Duck. But

1051
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: I heard that Spencer it was basically calling out Wisconsin

1052
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: deer hunters, and you were none too happy about what

1053
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: he had to say about you, guys. Oh, I'm I'm

1054
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, if Spencer's got evidence that somehow the

1055
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsin deer culture is all about trophies and entering him

1056
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: into a record book, great, But um on the previous

1057
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: podcast he talked about that within uh uh and was saying, well,

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsin calls itself the big buck capital of the world

1059
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: and or other people call it that, Field and Stream

1060
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: or whoever calls it that, and uh, you know, it's

1061
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: because we have more Boone and Crockett, Pope and Young

1062
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: Books bucks registered than any other state. And uh and

1063
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: he said, oh, it's because people in Wisconsin are braggadocious

1064
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: and they want to be in the record book. And

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I know, well right, and being

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin and being willing to take a look in

1067
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: the mirror, you know, Um, I thought, well, you know,

1068
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: Spencer has probably got some real good information on this.

1069
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: So I asked him about that, and he goes, oh,

1070
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: I never I've never hunted in Wisconsin. I only sent

1071
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: us spent an afternoon at a wedding in the state,

1072
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: So but what do you But I talked to the

1073
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: bride's uncle who's a deer hunter. So anyway, I just

1074
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess, um, I don't know how

1075
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: else you decide who you know, where the big buck

1076
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: capital is if it's not by the number of bucks

1077
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, like that lion in Caddy Chick,

1078
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: how do you measure yourself against other golfers by height? Um?

1079
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: The same thing? How I mean, how do you how

1080
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: do you? How do you do that? And I mean

1081
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: it's it's there's a lot. I mean I love to

1082
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: have Spencer come out and and uh, you know, show

1083
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: him around and uh and I hope he does that

1084
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: and I can kind of show him why the driftless

1085
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: area is home to send so many big giant bucks.

1086
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: I I can see, do you, Doug? And I I

1087
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: will now refer to Wisconsin as the big Buck State.

1088
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: But I felt justified in our conversations because, um, after

1089
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: that podcast dropped, you were instagram messaging me, you were

1090
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: emailing me, telling me random strangers and uh, dog wanted

1091
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: that title, and UM, I felt as though it showed

1092
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: that there is that culture in that mindset there and

1093
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: taking pride in the record book sort of thing in Wisconsin. Okay,

1094
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: but that's not we're here to talk about. We leave

1095
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: it at that. A guy wrote in, uh, kind of

1096
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: laying in about kind of laying in about what hell

1097
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: is his name? Just give us first? I remember guy

1098
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: from southeast Minnesota. I don't remember his name practically, neighbors

1099
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: were Doug because Dugs from southwest Wisconsin. And that's an

1100
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: that's an important point where he is and where we

1101
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: are very similar in topography. You know, Dear heard all

1102
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: of that. So he he lays in, like, let me

1103
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: tell you about c w D. Yeah, And I knew

1104
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: in reading it. I was like, I just feel like

1105
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff he's telling me, he's not accurate.

1106
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't have the time to get into it,

1107
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: but I felt it was like interesting enough that I

1108
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: wanted to. I was like, Doug, you'd take a look

1109
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: at the email. You read the email, and then Doug

1110
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to explain what he's saying, because I feel

1111
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: like this is probably like a commonly held thing if

1112
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: you somehow don't know what we're talking about. We're talking

1113
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: about the deer and elk, the servid, the dear family

1114
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,919
Speaker 1: version of like mad cow disease um which is spreading

1115
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: every year into more and more dear herds across the country.

1116
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: It's got people pretty worked up for two reasons. One

1117
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: because it could wind up potentially we don't know yet,

1118
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: being real problematic for dear populations. Um that they won't

1119
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: live long, you won't grow huge box anymore because they're

1120
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: all dying. Or that someone would want up getting sick

1121
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: for dear meat, which that from dear meat, which has

1122
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: not happened, but it definitely like keeps you up at

1123
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: night thinking about it. No one wants to be the

1124
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: first person. No evidence that has happened yet. Thousands, tens

1125
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: of thousands of people have eaten c w D infect

1126
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: the dear meat, but it's still like, I don't know,

1127
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: it just makes you nervous. So with that dog talk

1128
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: about with this guy take it. This is like Joe

1129
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: blow America out there saying like, here's why CWD is

1130
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: so full of ship and and and what does this

1131
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: sort of take on it? Uh. The first thing I

1132
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: want to respond to is I understand the fatigue. Believe

1133
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: me if I'd rather not UM talk about this either.

1134
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: But I can guarantee you one thing about chronic wasting disease.

1135
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: If you ignore it, it is not going to go away. UM,

1136
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: It's only gonna get worse. And we'll talk about that

1137
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: in a minute. So this guy had a few different comments.

1138
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: One of them was that there's no evidence that human

1139
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: humans have contract c w D from eating meat. Well,

1140
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: that's true. I don't think I've ever said anything else

1141
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: that there is no evidence at this point that it's

1142
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: that spread. So fair enough. But his reasoning was that's

1143
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: why they let you take the meat home, but they

1144
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: don't want you to take the spine and head home.

1145
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: And Uh. The problem with that thought process is that

1146
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: the reason for those UM transportation movement restrictions are to

1147
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: protect the herd, not to protect people. This is a

1148
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: wildlife agency is doing this, not a uh public health agency.

1149
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: The only thing that public health has ever said about

1150
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: it was we recommend you know, c C, C d

1151
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: C and World Health Organization. We recommend against UM and

1152
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: recommend you getting tested and you don't need it if

1153
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: it's positive. The carcass movement is all about protecting the

1154
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: herd in um where you're going to. So that's why

1155
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: they want to properly dispose of the head in the

1156
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: spine where of course the concentrated as well. They know

1157
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna wind up dumping at that. You're gonna want

1158
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: taking those bones and it's not going into your freezer,

1159
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 1: right You're gonna you're gonna don't met the boat launch.

1160
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly popular if people are doing that kind

1161
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: of stuff, right um. His second comment was meat doesn't

1162
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 1: carry disease, and he said, see above, you know the

1163
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: thing about that, let you take the meat. So what

1164
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: this dude, just what this dude was responding to you

1165
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: on this is I was saying like that, I'm full

1166
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: of questions about c w D, Like I'm not. I'm

1167
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: not sitting around and act like I know something that

1168
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't know anything that nobody, nobody else knows, right,

1169
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: I know what I read, um, and I read conflicting things,

1170
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: and I try to sort it out in my head.

1171
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: But I said, when I meet a guy who's like

1172
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: telling me, hey, it's no big deal, don't worry about it,

1173
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: I said, I would like to defeat. Make that guy

1174
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: a burger out of a bunch of c w D

1175
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: infected deer and put some brain and spinal column stuff

1176
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: in there and whatnot, and then if he eats the burger,

1177
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: then I believe that he doesn't think it's a big deal.

1178
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: If he questions eating the burger, then I know that

1179
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: he's like me, and he's a little worried about this

1180
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: whole thing. The guy that wrote in that I sent

1181
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: the dog pointed out, Um, that's why we don't eat

1182
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: the brain and we don't eat the spine because the

1183
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: meat is safe but isn't. Doesn't the ship like it's

1184
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: concentrated in the brain and spine, but it's found in

1185
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: the muscle. Right, That's exactly right. And so he's off

1186
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: on that. He's wrong on that, and there's a there's

1187
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: a study that shows that, and I guess, you know, logically,

1188
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: you can think about it too. Another PreO diseases me

1189
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: had cold is he BSc and people got that right.

1190
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: There was a jumped from cattle to um. They jumped

1191
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: from cattle to humans. UM, and that came from eating

1192
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: the meat. So it's in the meat and it's been

1193
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: proving this in the meat. So UM. I forwarded the

1194
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: study to to Korean and she can put that up

1195
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: or you know, I answered this guy directly if he wants.

1196
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: But there's you know, there's studies that shows exactly um,

1197
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: that that show exactly the opposite. And UM, the one

1198
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: that um that's still happening is the macaque monkeys. And

1199
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna go, oh, the one that was disproven, well,

1200
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't disproven. Actually two of the monkeys in

1201
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: Canada were fed only meat from c w D positive

1202
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: white tailed deer from Wisconsin. UM, that's an ongoing study

1203
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: hasn't been published yet. So UM, I would you know,

1204
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist, and I would suggest that you know,

1205
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: scientists talk about that more. And there have been some

1206
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: conflicting studies. So did the monkeys, like it was reported

1207
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: that they got the monkeys got c w D from

1208
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: beating dear meat, little chunks of deer steak. But in

1209
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: fact that's what they have. What happened, Yes, it is.

1210
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: There were five months that got it. Two of them

1211
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: had it injected into their brains, two of them were

1212
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: fed spinal common and or one of them was fed

1213
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: was injected in the spine and all that two of

1214
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 1: them were fed meat only. And who got what? Monkey

1215
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: got it? Those are the five that got it out

1216
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: of the all the monkeys and the monkey did get

1217
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: it meat and the meat. Yeah, I thought that was disgraduated. Yeah, no,

1218
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: and that I mean, the reason I'm hesitated, I hesitate

1219
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: to talk too much about it is because it's an

1220
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: ongoing study. They there's nothing that other than the Montana

1221
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: there was. It wasn't Montana. I'm sorry, I don't remember

1222
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: who that was. But there was a conflicting or another

1223
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: study said, wow, we did the same thing and no

1224
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: monkeys got it. So that's not that unusual, at least

1225
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: in my sort of logical way and in animal husbands

1226
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. You know, my cattle, cattle,

1227
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: animals all together. Not everybody gets the same disease, and

1228
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody necessarily gets COVID. Not you don't

1229
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: no matter what that is, right, So but now you

1230
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: can look into that and um, that study is ongoing

1231
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: and that will that will come up. So that being said,

1232
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: it has not been proven to transfer to humans. UM

1233
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: my only comment about like, um clean, Seth, we're both

1234
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: talking about that, and I've been there with Clay. I mean, hell,

1235
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: the last time you hunt deer hunted out here, we didn't. Uh,

1236
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't think we tested those No, no, we did.

1237
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: We did test them. And I waited to my results

1238
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: before I ate my dear, because I felt that if

1239
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: we ate the deer and then got the results, um

1240
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: my wife be like homett so you thought I saw

1241
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: it was like you saw that it was appropriate to

1242
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: send it for test, But then why do we like

1243
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: if if it if you cared enough to send it

1244
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: for testing, why do we not wait for the test

1245
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: results before we ate it? Like if it doesn't matter,

1246
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: why did you send it for testing? And I didn't

1247
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: feel like explaining all that, so I just waited. Yeah, No,

1248
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: and I think that I think that's a good policy.

1249
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: I respect anyone who is their their choice. Like Seth

1250
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: said he would, I'll eat that burger. Um, I will

1251
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: tell you this. I had a very different experience when

1252
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually dealt with it, and Spencer has had

1253
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: that situation too. Like there it is. Um when I

1254
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: found out that I had a positive deer, it was

1255
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: very It was a very different mindset than talking about

1256
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: it in theory. Clay said that he hadn't had any

1257
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: deer tested yet, and they've been in an area and

1258
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: of course the same thing. I've been in a cw

1259
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: D area. It was quite a bit solved. But there's

1260
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: a chance that I've already that I've already eaten CWD positive.

1261
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: But why would you continue that when you have the

1262
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to have it tested and at least make an

1263
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: informed decision. Part of this guy's point was I don't

1264
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: want to waste the deer. And my response to that is,

1265
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: you didn't waste it. You took that deer off the landscape,

1266
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 1: and you took that infectious animal who's spreading casting prions

1267
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: about and spreading it the other deer. You took it

1268
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: off the landscape. So you did a good thing there.

1269
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: And um uh, the other part is you saved that

1270
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: deer from a miserable death. I've been I've seen him now.

1271
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: I've seen not well, we've had pictures on the farm,

1272
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen a live one that's on its

1273
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: way out on the farm. But I have seen him

1274
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: in other places. It's a miserable death. So you saved

1275
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: that animal from that. Um you know, you look at

1276
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: a picture. I don't want to go down the road

1277
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: of I mean, if if somebody wants to eat it,

1278
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: that is there, um uh their choice, and I respect that.

1279
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: I would say, though, let's not make that choice for

1280
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: other people. So if you're in hunting in a c

1281
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: w D area, get the deer tested. If you decide

1282
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: to eat it, go ahead and eat it yourself, but

1283
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: don't serve that unknowingly to someone else. And I had

1284
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: really questions um uh serving it to uh two kids too,

1285
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: So um that's that. Um what else did he have

1286
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: to say? Oh, dogship doesn't carry the disease. Well that's

1287
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: false also, and I uh said too, and I wanted to.

1288
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a mingus U Yanni's dog holds

1289
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: a special place in my heart because he's named for

1290
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: and everything. You know. Oh yeah, I've never met the dog, um,

1291
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, because he's named for Charles Mingus anyway. Um,

1292
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: and why would you? I mean, it does happen. Right,

1293
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: there's two there's two studies, one of the coyote and

1294
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: and one of I think it was crows or something.

1295
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: And the point is is what goes in the front

1296
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: end comes out the back end later. We've all heard

1297
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: that before, right. So if you don't have c W

1298
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: D like around your place, and I've been over to

1299
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: Yanni's place, Um, and you feed that dog CW depositive

1300
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: meat and now it's going out and taking a crap

1301
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: and unless you're going out and picking it all up,

1302
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: and they never do. They never get all. The smart

1303
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: guy teaches his dog to go out far enough. But

1304
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: um and uh. And so now you have it there. Yes,

1305
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: it's in very low concentrate sations is going through the

1306
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: meat and all of that sort of thing. But because

1307
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: it is an exponentially growing disease, that's exactly the kind

1308
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: of thing where you can have some control of your environment.

1309
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: And why wouldn't you. Um, So I applaud Jani for

1310
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: that NFL it was just wrong when when it came

1311
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: to that as well. Um. Then he talked about, um,

1312
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: the low prevalence in Minnesota and why are we spending

1313
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: all this time and effort on it um and money.

1314
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: And the short answer on that is perhaps the reason

1315
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: you have a slow or low prevalence and a slow

1316
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: spread is because these management uh these management policies have

1317
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: been in place. In fact, I would submit that's exactly

1318
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: why they have a low prevalence, because Minnesota's got a

1319
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: pretty damn good c w D response plan. And if

1320
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: you want to see something in comparison um, one of

1321
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: the other things I sent Karin and I'll post it

1322
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: on my social media later too, is a time lapse

1323
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: of the change in spreading prevalence in Wisconsin over the

1324
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: last twenty years. And there are I have some markers

1325
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily on that, but I'll write it into it.

1326
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: Of where we gave up Wisconsin's program didn't when they say,

1327
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: well they didn't see it didn't work in Wisconsin is

1328
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: because we stopped and all we're doing is putting you know,

1329
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: carcasses and a dumpster and we're not really even trying

1330
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: to control population or control disease or anything. We failed.

1331
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that you want to learn

1332
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: about uh c w D and what not to do,

1333
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: take a look at Wisconsin, Southeast southeast Minnesota has got

1334
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity to control it. What I'm what I'm fighting

1335
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: for in my area is to have a healthy deer

1336
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: and have a healthy deer management. We're a positive of

1337
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: deer tested in this county now. Uh, we have their

1338
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: thirty thou deer in the county. UM you know about

1339
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: about got tested of the sixty five hundred that UM

1340
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: we're killed this past season, and those were positive by

1341
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 1: my by my place, I'm on the northern edge of

1342
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 1: all of this, we're down at like four or five percent.

1343
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: I get one a year or two a year, UM.

1344
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: And I you know, I don't want to give too

1345
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: much credence to what we're trying, what I'm doing, but

1346
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: we're killing a whole lot of deer and they keep

1347
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: making them, right, I mean, dear, keep making them um

1348
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: there and so ah, I would submit that the control

1349
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: measures in Minnesota has been doing is what's exactly exactly

1350
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: what is controlling UM the disease they're not And and

1351
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: I can see he's got that exponential growth. He did

1352
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: a nice job on the math UM and so take

1353
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: a look at that UM. But it's an exponentially growing

1354
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: disease both within the animal and on the landscape. And um,

1355
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: I know, folks are I'm sorry, folks, you know that

1356
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: you're tired of hearing about it. But if you don't

1357
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: have it, you don't want it. And if you do

1358
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: have it, you want as little of it as pot possible.

1359
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 1: I have that little, as little as possible. And so

1360
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: Spence Spencer new heart. He kissed my ass man. Care

1361
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: what he says. Listen. My take on CV, my take

1362
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: on c w D is is what I learned from

1363
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: Doug durn Articulated by Doug durn is, pay for science

1364
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: and time pay for science by yeah, sorry, I was

1365
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it the other way around. I was gonna

1366
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: pay for science. Bye time, bye time, pay for science.

1367
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: I think that there's this thing that in the c

1368
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: w D to deny your community. It's like it's wishful

1369
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like wishful thinking on their part

1370
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: or they're ahead of themselves to be like it doesn't matter. Look,

1371
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: the other direction doesn't matter. Nothing to see here. I'm like,

1372
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I really don't know. But if

1373
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: there's the potential for a problem, and if it's a disease,

1374
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: that's spreading around. And if you love deer, and you

1375
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: love deer hunting, and you love eating deer, why would

1376
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: you not want as much information as you can get

1377
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: your hands on. It would be wonderful if in five years,

1378
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: ten years, someone is able to say, oh, look, weirdly,

1379
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: it winds up for all these reasons that seemed perfectly plausible,

1380
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: it winds up not having population level impacts, Like something

1381
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: happens within the herd dynamic and we don't see catastrophic

1382
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: collapse of deer herds and turns out, um, this this

1383
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: preon is somehow magically shaped where unlike similar diseases that

1384
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: afflict cheap and unlike similar diseases that afflict cattle, um,

1385
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: we know for a fact now that it can't touch humans.

1386
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: I would be like awesome, because that's what I wanted

1387
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: to hear all along. I'm not like rooting, I'm not

1388
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: like cheering on c w D. I hope it's bad.

1389
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: I hope it kills people. It's like, that's not what

1390
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: I hope. I just want to find out, man, I

1391
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 1: don't want to like look the other direction, which is

1392
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: what which is what seems to be what they want

1393
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: you to what what the deniers want you to do

1394
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: is like not even look. Okay, right, well you're bad

1395
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: for looking. Actually. Um. In defense of my friend from

1396
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,839
Speaker 1: southeast Minnesota, he's like, you know, I'm not a denier.

1397
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: I know it's a problem, but it was a sort

1398
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: of relative um was his point. And and and I

1399
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: think that what I see and feel and and hear

1400
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: from people is that the denier the deny rs are

1401
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: few and far between. Now it's now a question of well,

1402
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: how bad is it or how bad can it be?

1403
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: And um, I kind of my friend Mitch Baker has

1404
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: said a few times that I'd rather we did as

1405
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: much as we couldn't find out we did more than

1406
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: we had to, then find out we didn't do enough

1407
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: and have a disaster on our hands. And again, if

1408
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: you look at that, um, And I'll just give you

1409
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: some anecdotes. Um, a friend of mine who's got a

1410
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: property about four miles south of ours killed, they killed

1411
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: a nuven buck on his place. It tested positive. If

1412
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have killed that buck, it's never gonna be

1413
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: a big giant buck. It would have been dead at

1414
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: two and a half years. Right. His neighbor had four

1415
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 1: out of five bucks test positive. I routinely get messages

1416
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: from people who are saying six out of eight. UM.

1417
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: The hot zone south of US, about twenty five miles

1418
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: is over fifty in bucks, over thirty in does and rising. Um.

1419
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: We still have plenty of deer because we I mean

1420
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: you guys have been here. We grow deer like crazy.

1421
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: You know, one point four one point five does fawns

1422
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: per dough. We can keep producing. We have sixty deer

1423
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: per square a mile. UM, So we're not gonna run

1424
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: out of deer. We're just gonna have more and more

1425
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: of them. And we already have that that are diseased. UM.

1426
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: And I think I sent you another note from one

1427
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: of the members of our sea deck. He killed three

1428
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: deer in his yard this past year. That we're just

1429
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: standing there and that we're emaciated and went through all

1430
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: that is a horrific disease. UM. You know, animal rights

1431
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 1: people should be concerned about it. UM. Using my example

1432
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: of the of the number buck getting it, and he's

1433
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: never going to be a big giant buck. If you

1434
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: want big giant bucks. We need to control this disease.

1435
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: If I can keep disease in my area at five

1436
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: to even ten percent at this point, I'll consider that

1437
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 1: a victory. Um. And you might find this an interesting

1438
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: detail because you know, you guys know the farm up

1439
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: there on the big Ridge where you killed that giant

1440
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: turkey at that time, with with dirt myth down there

1441
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: and bottom, all five of our positives have come in

1442
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a kind of a line right there in that little

1443
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: bit of acreage because dirt myth have been down there

1444
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: could but there happens to be a big population of

1445
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: dear you know that that kind of stay up on

1446
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: near there, and that's sort of on the fringe of it.

1447
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,799
Speaker 1: So you know, the scientists that I've talked to about

1448
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: it have said, well, you know, don't read too much

1449
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: into that, but anecdotally it's it's really, uh, a little

1450
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: unsettling and kind of internet thing, you know. But that said, Um,

1451
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: we had, you know, it was a little weird deer

1452
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: hunting this year because of covid um and um, but

1453
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: my brother and his nephew came hunting for the first

1454
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: time in a couple of years, which was great. Um.

1455
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: We just did things a little bit differently in terms

1456
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: of gathering in the house and you know, and all

1457
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: of those sort of things. Um, and uh, you know

1458
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: we killed um like I said, uh, sixty three sixty

1459
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe a sixty six hundred deer in the county. It

1460
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: was we're backed up like this year. Um, even with

1461
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,440
Speaker 1: that positivity rate, you know that deer hunting in Wisconsin

1462
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: has a good future. We just need to do more,

1463
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, we need to continue to do more about this.

1464
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: And I'm inviting as we're sitting here, I mean inviting

1465
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: Spencer to come out and learn all about it. We

1466
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: got a letter. We got a letter one time complaining

1467
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: about Doug. It was some dude and Doug's area complaining

1468
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: about Doug bringing down all the property values by talking

1469
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: about c w D too much. The powerful casing over

1470
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: your real estate lobby was like land ever since Doug

1471
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 1: buys it up? Man, Yeah, thanks, thanks a lot for

1472
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: the report, Doug. You'll be a hundred fifty bucks. It's

1473
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: in the mail, I mean truly is in the mail.

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01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: And then you set cash. Is that correct? Oh yeah,

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01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: yeah I did send cash. So, oh you have somebody

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01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: out there written around in your mail. But I'm a

1477
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: little bit afraid of man. Yeah, he's gonna be like, yeah,

1478
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: I gotta run. You're white and i'd be there in

1479
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: the next day or so. Yeah, I'll just tell Katie

1480
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 1: that Doug during sent me a letter for some reason

1481
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:48,839
Speaker 1: Steve's house. Don't open it, thank you, dog. It's interesting

1482
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: to me how we treat uh, we talked about CWD

1483
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: and treat it as I think as a society and

1484
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: look at very similar to how we look at climate change.

1485
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: You have that same sort of like deny or people

1486
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: that are like don't even look, yeah, don't even look,

1487
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: you know. But and I'm in the same way you

1488
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: described as kind of where I've settled on climate change.

1489
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like I'd rather do too much

1490
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and find out we did too much than you know

1491
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: eighty years down the line. Go oh remember all that

1492
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: not looking? Oh yeah, you you're you get criticized if

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01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: a biologist talks about changing animal patterns, uh, which you

1494
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 1: know you can demonstrate with great clarity and precision. It's

1495
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: like bad that they brought it up. I think you're

1496
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,759
Speaker 1: criticized for bringing it up. Your favorite like a favorite

1497
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: talking point amongst CWD deniers is like Wisconsin's management of

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01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: it and how they didn't get rid of it um

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01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: or maybe not even slow it down. But there was

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01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: a CWD expert um that told me years ago. He's like,

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01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is not a good example because the c w

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01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: D whore left the barn many years ago. Not only

1503
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: is that horse out of the barn, but that horse

1504
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: already died, like it was just too late to get

1505
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 1: in and make a huge difference. But other states, New York, Illinois, Missouri,

1506
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: they have a chance, um to like make that difference

1507
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: where Wisconsin didn't go out. You to to the c

1508
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: W to the denier's credibility, to their credit. Here. Uh,

1509
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: it's been around all those years, right, and Doug still

1510
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: has a big, huge, giant bucks running around in his place.

1511
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe a picture of a buck he sent

1512
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: me from the wet spot. Yeah. Well, you know, just

1513
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: an average deer around here. You know, when the big

1514
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: couple of the world, but a little buck man juice

1515
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: down there and see what turns up. No, and and

1516
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: and that's important. I appreciate that. Actually this is the

1517
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: deer hunting is really good around here. I mean, there's

1518
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: a reason people come to Richland County. And he's trying

1519
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: to drive you see her, trying to drive the values.

1520
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: He's trying to restore property values now. But I've acquired

1521
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: all that landed on building the back up and you

1522
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: know it's a matter of fact. Um. But uh. And

1523
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: the way to to uh, I mean, just keep doing it,

1524
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: keep enjoying it. And you know, this is an an

1525
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: interesting point. It's very different than what you guys are

1526
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: dealing with. What you guys deal with out there, But

1527
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: pent of our county is considered deer habitat mhm um

1528
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: and that's about um fifty uh square miles so but

1529
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 1: of that is privately owned. So if we're gonna do anything,

1530
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: really we need to either incentivize or force private landowners

1531
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: to do something about it. I'm kind of working on

1532
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the incentivized end of it, you know. And and um,

1533
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, I try to share my place with as

1534
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 1: many people as I can. Um. And you're right, and

1535
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: we still have big giant bucks. You know, there's there's

1536
01:32:55,160 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: some beautiful deer around. Um. Interestingly, also, most of deer

1537
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: that we've had positive The oldest one was a three

1538
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 1: year old doll. The other ones have been year and

1539
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: a half and two years, two and a half year

1540
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: old bucks, and a year and a half old dough.

1541
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: So you know our older bucks. I mean you remember, Yanni,

1542
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: the last time you were here with with all the

1543
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: all your buddies, all the Levians from from Tooma, all

1544
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: those deer man truck full of deer, including that one

1545
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: big giant buck, that the one eyed bucket, that another

1546
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: honest shot um, and none of those dear tested positive um.

1547
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: And you know there's those deer around. But that's by

1548
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: controlling the disease, we can continue to have that kind

1549
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: of hunting. That's the other end of it. So I mean,

1550
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do all this stuff. You know, Steve,

1551
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: you and I've talked about oak management, and I'm trying

1552
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: to manage jokes. I want deer around, but I don't

1553
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: want too many. And it's the you know, these things

1554
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: are the same, the same, The reasoning is exactly the same.

1555
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to balance everything in an ecosystem. Um.

1556
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: So you know, if I could have have an inanimate

1557
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: object on the podcast, I would have the wet spot

1558
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 1: on the podcast. It's a magic place, like why are

1559
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: you always wet? Why are you a mud puddle? And

1560
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: why you always go look at you? And I have

1561
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: stilled that thing up. I have actually filled that up

1562
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: with clay and run it over and you know, packed

1563
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 1: it up because I don't want a bunch of waters. Yeah,

1564
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: he's like a leopard. Don't change his spots. That's what

1565
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: he'd say if I asked him. What you might try

1566
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: now is instead of fighting, you know the wet spot,

1567
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: maybe just make your road go around the way. Watch,

1568
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: just move your road over ten ft and a pond

1569
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: in the road. Now, now you're gonna force me to

1570
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: go up there and take a picture, because that's exactly

1571
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: what I've done. What's what's the fifercent of your county?

1572
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: That's not dear habit? Is it like concrete and water

1573
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: or what? Um? Yeah, the highways in Richland Center our

1574
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: county seat. We have thirty deer in this uh county

1575
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: by the estimates in the population. The human population is

1576
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 1: about seventeen thousand. So man, uh Yanni. We didn't get

1577
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: our new dog expert. We didn't get to your you'll

1578
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll retain. Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit.

1579
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 1: We'll tease it. We're gonna talk a little bit about

1580
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 1: um blood trailing. Well, it's like a growing thing. I mean,

1581
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: it's been growing It's been around for a long time,

1582
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: but it just be gets more and more prevalent. Is

1583
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: like every group of hunters. My prediction is in in

1584
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: some number of years, every group of hunters, someone in

1585
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: that group it's gonna want to have a recovery dog.

1586
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I was just thinking how when I first

1587
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 1: heard about it, nobody that I didn't even know anybody

1588
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: that had maybe even like use the recovery dog to

1589
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: find a wounded deer. It was just like, you know

1590
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 1: this thing that you kind of heard about. But now

1591
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 1: I would almost bet someone in this room has used

1592
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: recovery dog to find a deer. Anybody I've been, I've

1593
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: seen one not recover one. Yeah, we attempted in Michigan. Um,

1594
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, like I know people now they're like, oh yeah,

1595
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: well yeah, and he's got all kinds of stats we're

1596
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: going to get at. But uh, I gotta I gotta scoop,

1597
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I gotta scoot al right, buddy, thanks a lot um

1598
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it, Seth. It's a good job. I want to get, man,

1599
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I want to get Do you think it'd be too distracting?

1600
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Like when someone like when Seth talking about what he

1601
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: was talking about, Remember how I said, I wanted one

1602
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: of those dials that they use when they're testing things

1603
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: on people. Yeah, like how the the how their their

1604
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: interests dial? Yeah, if we had if when like if

1605
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Seth was talking about something, if we had one that

1606
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: that was like a low like but then as he talks,

1607
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: if I get more interests, I turned it up and

1608
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: then it pretty soon like do you do that would

1609
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 1: detract from the listening experience. Unfortunately, yes, it could be

1610
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: that the better job he does, you turn it down

1611
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: so like so when he starts out, when he starts,

1612
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: but as he starts kicking ass it quiet and he

1613
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: starts getting pumped up in senive to kick as exactly.

1614
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: But you know, he did a good He did a

1615
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: good job on that, especially like the part when he

1616
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: tried to turn it into a dog thing. Uh huh.

1617
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: Doug was right to compreciate that it was good. Okay,

1618
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't hear that, Seth. What did you

1619
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: say about dog? Just good? That was philm talking about

1620
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: dog a great looking Just like when somebody says Doug

1621
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: is right, I usually asked him. He's like what what what? Alright,

1622
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman, Doug durn far away and a far

1623
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 1: away disease land. Hey have me on for something that

1624
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 1: isn't c w D. Sometime I might do that dog anytime. Dog,

1625
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: we have dog on to talk about how to properly

1626
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: get your cheese curd squeaky again if you've left them

1627
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: out so long that they're not squeaky anymore, that'll be

1628
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: dog on curd. Stay tuned