WEBVTT - Uncharter Waters

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<v Speaker 1>On September twelfth, nineteen fifty three, Linda King visited George

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<v Speaker 1>White at his Bedford Street pad in New York. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the aspiring actress thought she was there as

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<v Speaker 1>a friend, a guest. What she didn't understand was that

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<v Speaker 1>White didn't have friends. He had subjects, people he drugged,

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<v Speaker 1>whose names he jotted down in his diary. The CIA

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<v Speaker 1>needed data on what LSD did too unsuspecting minds, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what George White provided. White and King made small talk.

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<v Speaker 1>He fixed her a standard drink, chin ice a floater

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<v Speaker 1>of acid. An hour passed. It wasn't long before King

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<v Speaker 1>found herself roaming the New York City streets, her mind

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<v Speaker 1>entering dimensions she never knew existed. White didn't chase her.

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<v Speaker 1>He never chased anyone. His experiments lack curiosity. He only

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<v Speaker 1>cared about the short term reaction. What a person did

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<v Speaker 1>in the hours, days, weeks, or even years following their

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<v Speaker 1>dosing didn't matter to him. When Linda King climbed to

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<v Speaker 1>the rooftop of her apartment building that night, wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>she should dive off the edge to quell her sudden

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of despair, White wasn't around he was home, fast asleep,

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<v Speaker 1>but someone was there to help. Her name was Albertine.

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<v Speaker 1>Her friends called her team or Teeny. She worked as

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<v Speaker 1>a buyer for retail stores in New York. She was

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<v Speaker 1>friends with King. Together, the two of them drove to

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<v Speaker 1>Lenox Hill Hospital. King in a state of hysteria, Albertine

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<v Speaker 1>soothing her, It's going to be okay, relax. George did something.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave me something. What did he give me? Get

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<v Speaker 1>you checked out? Okay? Come on, come on in At

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<v Speaker 1>Lennox Hill, Linda couldn't articulate what had happened, only that

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<v Speaker 1>she felt drugged. There was nothing to do but let

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<v Speaker 1>it pass. As the hours ticked by, King kept telling

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who would listen that a man named George White

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<v Speaker 1>had done this to her. They needed to remember the

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<v Speaker 1>name George White. Eighty one Bedford Street, George White. Alberteen

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<v Speaker 1>stood by passively. She wanted to help her friend, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was growing uncomfortable with Linda's chant of George White,

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<v Speaker 1>George White, Someone find George White. Alberteen knew exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>to find George White. That's because she was married to him.

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<v Speaker 1>For I Heart Radio, this is Operation Midnight Climax, and

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<v Speaker 1>I heart original podcast I'm your host Noel Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>this is chapter four Uncharted Waters, Part one. Love and Marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Albertin and George White were married in nineteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>just before White relocated to New York. It was White's

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<v Speaker 1>third marriage. He'd been married briefly. In nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 1>He divorced his first wife after just a year general incompatibility.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, he married his second wife, Ruth.

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<v Speaker 1>She left him while he was serving abroad. They weren't

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<v Speaker 1>a happy couple. For all of White's bravado, for all

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<v Speaker 1>the drug peddlers he pushed around, and all the gunfights

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<v Speaker 1>he got into, he wilted in front of Ruth. She

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<v Speaker 1>verbally abused him, insulting his weight, calling him a slob.

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<v Speaker 1>White would harbor a lifelong resentment over those slights. But

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<v Speaker 1>Albertine was different. She didn't see a callous narcotics cop.

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<v Speaker 1>She saw White as good at his job, effective, punctual.

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<v Speaker 1>She liked punctual. She liked that his picture made it

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<v Speaker 1>into the newspapers after big drug busts. She liked that

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<v Speaker 1>he was well read and well traveled, even if he

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<v Speaker 1>left dead bodies in his wake. And he had powerful friends,

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<v Speaker 1>like mayoral candidate Rudolph Halle, who once to promised to

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<v Speaker 1>make White commissioner of the New York Police Departments. For white,

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<v Speaker 1>Albertine represented a step up society's ladder. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>clothing buyer, She knew fashion. She always looked spectacular. White

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed taking her out and showing her off, watching men

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<v Speaker 1>as they admired her, and sometimes he didn't mind if

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<v Speaker 1>they did more than that. George and Albertin were swingers,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple who didn't mind if one or both got

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<v Speaker 1>into bed with a third or even fourth party. But

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't swinging in the Internet age, where partners swapping

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<v Speaker 1>on an app would hardly be newsworthy. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen fifties, when sex in America was still a

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<v Speaker 1>taboo subject. Alfred Kinsey had just caused a stir publishing

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<v Speaker 1>his research into American sex lives. The first issue of

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<v Speaker 1>Playboy was just around the corner, and while nudity was tolerated,

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<v Speaker 1>anything beyond that would have been a problem. Porn movies

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<v Speaker 1>were still known as stag films. If you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>watch people having sex, you'd have to know someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could hang up a bedsheet and set up a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five millimeter projector. White was in the right place at

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<v Speaker 1>the right time. If he'd been in Middle America, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be run out of town, But in Greenwich Village he

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<v Speaker 1>could be more open. It was the sort of scene

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<v Speaker 1>you could casually say you and your wife enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 1>company of others without fear. So White developed a third

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<v Speaker 1>identity want Apart from White the narcotics cop and Morgan Hall,

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA operative, he didn't give this one a name.

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<v Speaker 1>In a sense, it was White's real self, the one

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't have to hide anything, his occupation, his badge,

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<v Speaker 1>his stash of LSD. In White's Greenwich Village, he could

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<v Speaker 1>be anyone he it, and what he wanted was to

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<v Speaker 1>be more than a swinger. He wanted to be kinky.

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<v Speaker 1>One of White's first friends in the city was John

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Kutz. His fans knew him as John Willie, an

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<v Speaker 1>artist and fetish photographer. Willie specialized in depictions of women

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<v Speaker 1>trust up in corsets and heels, imprisoned for some imagined

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy scenario. Willie even published a magazine devoted to such

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<v Speaker 1>content called Bizarre. Like a lot of fringe adult publications

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<v Speaker 1>of the era, there wasn't actually any sex depicted. In

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre there wasn't even nudity. The authorities considered the material

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<v Speaker 1>depraved and morally corrosive. Willie took pains to avoid anything

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<v Speaker 1>that might raise the ire of people who could block

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<v Speaker 1>his magazine, but it was still dangerous business. Publishers of

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<v Speaker 1>similar material were routinely rated by authorities, their books and

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<v Speaker 1>magazines ceased and brought before congressional hearings. Reading these magazines,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone publishing them, wasn't anything you wanted to brag about.

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<v Speaker 1>But like minds tend to congregate. If you're John Willie,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you value having a friend who might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to steer some vice cops clear of your business. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're George White, you like the fact that John Willie

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<v Speaker 1>is connected to a scene you want to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of. It wasn't long before John Willie introduced George

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<v Speaker 1>White to a man he'd get along with. He lived

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<v Speaker 1>just a few blocks away. His name was Gil Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>Like White, he had an alter ego to several of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Mayo was one, Paul V. Russo was another. Kimberly

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<v Speaker 1>Kemp under pseudonyms. Fox wrote erotic novels with titles like

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<v Speaker 1>a Touch of Depravity and The Trouble with Redheads. Often

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<v Speaker 1>there were lesbian storylines. This was, for a time incredibly taboo,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that Fox didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>source material to call from. I would watch old movies

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<v Speaker 1>and imagine the man and woman as two women and

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<v Speaker 1>reimagine it as a lesbian scene. I'd pull a whole

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<v Speaker 1>scene from the Late Show and write it down and

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<v Speaker 1>then put it in a box. The night pool ideas

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<v Speaker 1>from the box. But that wasn't the only place Fox

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<v Speaker 1>got ideas. Fox and his wife Pat had what would

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<v Speaker 1>today be called an ethically non monogamous marriage. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>hopped in someone else's bed, either together or apart. Pat

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<v Speaker 1>could provide details of her encounters with other women. Fox

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<v Speaker 1>also got inspiration from friends like George White. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I like high heels a lot high old woman as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just something about it. Do you think you could

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<v Speaker 1>right a scene with two women wearing high heels. Books

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<v Speaker 1>of this type were often sold by bookstores run by

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia, another reason law enforcement was so interested in them.

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<v Speaker 1>But Gil's books and John Willie's magazines weren't the only

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<v Speaker 1>way White could indulge his fetishes. Albertein knew about his

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<v Speaker 1>fascination with high heels. She watched his White filled up

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<v Speaker 1>an entire closet with them for her use and his pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Gil, who had intimate knowledge of White's life

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<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors, one of White's favorite scenarios would be

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<v Speaker 1>to take a pair of knee high boots and carefully

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<v Speaker 1>lace them up for Albertein. Gil's wife, Pat also instructed

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<v Speaker 1>Alberteen on other fetishes, like spanking. When White wanted or

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<v Speaker 1>needed something more extreme, he might solicit the company of

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<v Speaker 1>a professional. Once White invited Gil and Pat to his

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<v Speaker 1>hotel room. When they walked in, they saw White stripped

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<v Speaker 1>down to his underwear. Tied to the bed. Near him

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<v Speaker 1>was a dominatrix, a whip being cracked across White's ample backside,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, she was wearing high heels. If White had

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<v Speaker 1>been in two loveless, relatively sexless marriages, he was making

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<v Speaker 1>up for lost time. Greenwich Village was a path to

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<v Speaker 1>indulging in anything he wanted. It was a playground. As

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<v Speaker 1>sexual escapades go. It was all relatively harmless. Gill and

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Fox regarded George and Albertine as like minds. All

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<v Speaker 1>of them were into kink. The two couples trusted one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Gill and Pat didn't know George was working for

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA, his extracurricular work wasn't disclosed to them, so

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<v Speaker 1>he thought nothing of it when White invited them over

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<v Speaker 1>for drinks. Gil had been around White long enough to

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<v Speaker 1>know he was an alcoholic. White favored gin, but wasn't picky.

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<v Speaker 1>He regularly started his drinking in the morning and continued

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<v Speaker 1>through the day. That detail matters. If there's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>you want out of someone conducting an illicit CIA experiment

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<v Speaker 1>with powerful haucinogenic drugs, it's probably sobriety, and that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>something White could offer. But just how bad was White's problem?

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<v Speaker 1>Bad enough that when he was on assignment with the

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<v Speaker 1>Narcotics Bureau to chase a trail of heroin to Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>he passed out drunk in front of a suspect while undercover.

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<v Speaker 1>The criminal went through his pockets and found his badge.

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<v Speaker 1>White barely escaped with his life years later, with LSD

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<v Speaker 1>in his possession, he was, in all likelihood drunk on

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<v Speaker 1>the night of November two when he welcomed the Foxes

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<v Speaker 1>to his apartment. We know the date because it's an

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<v Speaker 1>entry in White's diary. For him, it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>special occasion. He was about to take his LSD experimentation

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<v Speaker 1>into uncharted waters. Part two Dinner Parties. Gill and Pat

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<v Speaker 1>Fox arrived at White's apartment his real apartment, not as

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan Hall residents, and said hello to Kai Jerkinson. Kai

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<v Speaker 1>was a drama professor from Chapel Hill and another interesting

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<v Speaker 1>wrinkle in White's personality. His circle of friends included murderers, informants,

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<v Speaker 1>mayoral candidate, swingers, and apparently professors. All of them found

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<v Speaker 1>something alluring about White. For the criminals, fraternizing with a

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<v Speaker 1>cop felt empowering, like they were getting a peek at

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<v Speaker 1>the other side. For more respectable members of society it

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<v Speaker 1>was the opposite. White felt dangerous, unpredictable. They just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite understand the danger until it was too late. Welcome everyone, Pat,

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<v Speaker 1>you look like a million yil. How's the magnum opus coming? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>come on in and meet the Jerkinson's Tenas getting dinner ready,

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<v Speaker 1>The Foxes chatted with Kai and Joe Jurgensen while White

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<v Speaker 1>busied himself at the bar. One thing Gil had noticed

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<v Speaker 1>about White was that he liked mixing two pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>martinis at his parties. One was for himself, because again

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<v Speaker 1>he had some kind of vendetta against his liver. The

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<v Speaker 1>other was for guests. The two pictures served a different purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>though White wanted to keep the pictures separate so he

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<v Speaker 1>could add a little something extra to one of them

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<v Speaker 1>to liven up the proceedings. Drinks for everyone, come on

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<v Speaker 1>my own recipe. The Whites, Foxes, and Jorgenson's began to party, drinking, dancing,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about their Thanksgiving celebrations, talking about the holiday season

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<v Speaker 1>and about New York and their plans. Then the couples

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<v Speaker 1>piled into a car and began driving in the lower village.

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<v Speaker 1>Gil noticed it had started snowing, and he admired the

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<v Speaker 1>white flakes falling. After a few minutes, Gil stopped smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>The snow was beautiful, it was maybe the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>snow he'd ever seen, But there was something different about him.

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<v Speaker 1>It began to change colors. The snow was lit up,

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<v Speaker 1>switching from blue to green to yellow. Gil looked or

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<v Speaker 1>at his wife, Pat, who held an expression of pleasant disbelief.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he looked at Joe Jerkinson, who was holding her

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<v Speaker 1>arms out in front of herself like a ballet dancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe would later say she was admiring an ornate pair

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<v Speaker 1>of opera gloves that had materialized out of thin air. White,

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<v Speaker 1>having imbibed Martini after Martini, was looking at all of

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<v Speaker 1>it like the mad Hatter having a party. There was

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<v Speaker 1>Gil enjoying a winter snowstorm on a clear night, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pat quiet, Kay and Joe look nervous. They all decided

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a good idea to pile into a

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<v Speaker 1>lesbian bar, but Pat and Joe began freaking out and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go home. The night had come to an

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<v Speaker 1>ignoble conclusion. What could the c i A learn from this?

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<v Speaker 1>How to average couples responded to being dosed with LSD?

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<v Speaker 1>Did White even report the incident to Sydney Gottlieb or

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<v Speaker 1>did he keep it to himself knowing these people weren't

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<v Speaker 1>part of the profile gott Leap wanted. He was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be dosing criminals and outcasts, so he could have

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<v Speaker 1>plausible deniability if they ever reported him. Was he doing

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<v Speaker 1>it to win the Cold War? Or was George White

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<v Speaker 1>doing it just for fun. There were two important lessons

0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.960
<v Speaker 1>White learned that night about consequences for Kai and Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Jurgensen to educated, upper class professionals. They were livid they

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<v Speaker 1>knew why had dosed them, and Joe refused to forgive

0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.480
<v Speaker 1>White for what he deemed a harmless stunt. She felt

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<v Speaker 1>violated Her marriage toc I didn't last either. The two

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<v Speaker 1>divorced a few years later. The Foxes were another story.

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<v Speaker 1>They too were angry with White, who had betrayed their trust.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fox has also fancied themselves liberal thinkers on

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<v Speaker 1>the outskirts of society, Gil challenging conventions this erotic work,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pat an enthusiastic partner in their swinging lifestyle. In

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<v Speaker 1>another city, in another life, they might have gone to

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<v Speaker 1>the police. In Greenwich Village of the nineteen fifties, LSD

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<v Speaker 1>was around. It was part of the lifestyle. Unlike the Jurgenson's,

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the Foxes decided to stay in White's orbit. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they did more than that. The Foxes actually helped White

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<v Speaker 1>grow as pool of subjects, and this time the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>would be far more serious than technicolor snow Elliott and

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Smythe were married in September nineteen, Elliott was an

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<v Speaker 1>employee at the F. L. Smythe Machine Company, his family's business.

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<v Speaker 1>After Barbara gave birth to their daughter, Valerie, Elliott persuaded

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<v Speaker 1>his beautiful new bride to relocate to Greenwich Village. He

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<v Speaker 1>had heard the siren call of the neighborhood's contemporary are

0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>attitudes about socializing and sex. Elliott wanted to swing. Elliott

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.159
<v Speaker 1>had actually swung with the Foxes before. He and his

0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.960
<v Speaker 1>previous girlfriend once had a foursome with Gil and Pad,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to continue the dynamic with his new wife.

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<v Speaker 1>But with Valerie their daughter, swinging didn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the cards. Free time was harder to come by.

0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Gil introduced Elliott to White and the two struck up

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.400
<v Speaker 1>their own friendship. Well, they were friendly, but what really

0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>made an impression on Elliott was Albertine, a vivacious woman

0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 1>with poise and style. White noticed he always noticed when

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.000
<v Speaker 1>men admired his wife, and he made it clear that

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<v Speaker 1>they were open to just about anything. The first time

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott and Barbara went over to White's apartment, White showed

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<v Speaker 1>him the shoe closet, heels of every color, size and

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<v Speaker 1>variety from basic pumps to the elaborate lacea boots that

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Albertine and strutted around in for White's enjoyment. This was

0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.639
<v Speaker 1>White's toy chest. He only showed it to a select few,

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 1>but he liked Elliott and he really liked Barbara Swinger.

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<v Speaker 1>Math is always a little hard to define. There's what

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<v Speaker 1>a couple may want, and there's what each individual wants.

0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Elliott wanted Albertine in or out of high heels. Albertine

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 1>was attracted to Elliott. White was attracted to Barbara. But

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and here's where the Brakes get pumped, Barbara wasn't into White.

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.920
<v Speaker 1>It was always a dice roll how people perceived him.

0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Some found his bad boy menace appealing, others didn't, and

0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Barbara didn't. Ordinarily that would have been fine, with the

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<v Speaker 1>couple still socializing, still trading stories, maybe Elliott and Albertine

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 1>stealing some time together. But reject Shin was something White

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like. His first wife had rejected him, his second

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>wife had rejected him. The FBI George White's personality, approach

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and appearance is not up to FBI standards. Right, there

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 1>was a pattern before, he hadn't been able to respond

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<v Speaker 1>to it. But now things were different. On January eleven, NFTE,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few weeks after the Smythes visited, George and

0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Albertine invited Barbara over, just Barbara. Elliott was away on

0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a business trip, but that was okay. Barbara could come

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<v Speaker 1>by herself, but she brought a sidekick, her baby, Valerie,

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<v Speaker 1>who was just twenty months old. There was someone else

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<v Speaker 1>in the apartment too, a friend named Clarice Stein, who

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<v Speaker 1>worked with Albertine. While she liked Albertine, she had apprehensions

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.639
<v Speaker 1>about why gil Fox had never told Elliott or Barbara

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.200
<v Speaker 1>about White's hobby, the one that had put him in

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:12.440
<v Speaker 1>an LSD snowstorm. He should have in the apartment. Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>put Valerie down and started talking with Clarice and Albertine

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>about the apparel business. White tended bar mixing his standard

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>two pictures of Martinis, one for him, one for the guests.

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>They started drinking, Barbara keeping herself to one because of

0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the baby. It took about fifteen minutes before the laughing started.

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<v Speaker 1>Something was funny. Barbara, Clarice, and Albertine began laughing hysterically, uncontrollably,

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.240
<v Speaker 1>like nitrous oxide was being pumped into the room, their

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>drinks slashed over the rim of the glass from her bassinet.

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Valerie watches her mother seemed to be in good spirits.

0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 1>But remember what the chemist Albert Hoffman said about his

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<v Speaker 1>discovery about LSD and about the dangers it posed when

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<v Speaker 1>it was outside of a highly controlled environment. The danger

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<v Speaker 1>of a psychotic reaction is especially great if l s

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<v Speaker 1>D is given to someone without his or her knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>The conditions for the positive outcome of an l s

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<v Speaker 1>D experiment reside in the milieu of the experiment, the

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<v Speaker 1>person's present, their appearance, their traits. Barbara, you don't look

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>so good, you're feeling okay. The acoustic milieu is equally significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Even harmless noises can turn to torment. LSD tends to

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<v Speaker 1>intensify the actual psychic state. A feeling of happiness can

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:57.120
<v Speaker 1>be heightened to bliss, a depression can deepen to despair.

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 1>It's danger to take LSD in a disturbed, unhappy frame

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<v Speaker 1>of mind or in a state of fear. The probability

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>that the experiment will end in a psychic breakdown is

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>then quite high. Before Barbara Smith could say more, there

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>was a knock at the door. It was Francine Kramer,

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>one of Albertin's coworkers. She seemed to be an intrusion

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 1>of reality. Francine watched as both Barbara and Clarice gathered

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>their things, Barbara scooping up Valerie and went out into

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the night, Out into an uncontrolled environment, out to explore

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>a world bursting with their fears, the fear of being

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.719
<v Speaker 1>a new mother, the amplified feelings of despair that can

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 1>accompany the arrival of a living being. You're now responsible

0:24:54.400 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 1>for all of it. Naked Present, m Part three, Untouchable.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarice and Barbara went their separate ways. Clarisse arrived home and,

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<v Speaker 1>still in a state of terror, picked up her telephone

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and called White, demanding to know what he had done

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to her. Yeah, George, George, I'm so scared. What's happening, Clarice?

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what time it is? George? Should I see

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>a doctor? You should stop calling? Go to sleep, George, George.

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Clarisse called again and again she begged him to tell

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>her what he had given her so she could get

0:25:54.640 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 1>something to counteract it. Each time White hung up, he

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>had gotten whatever information he wanted out of his experiment.

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.120
<v Speaker 1>He had no interest in consoling her. In his diary,

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>he wrote just a four chilling words. Clarice got the

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>horrors Barbara had made at home with Valerie safely. She

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't call White. She didn't even tell Elliot what had happened.

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>He had no idea that night would change the course

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>of both of their lives. Barbara grew distant. She was

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 1>prone to increasing bouts of depression. If it had started

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>as something expected, the kind of bleak moods knew mothers

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes experience, it had blossomed into something far more serious. Elliott,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to tell you something, and I need you

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to promise to believe me. I think the mafia is

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 1>after me. The encroaching paranoia put a strain on their marriage.

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Barbara withdrew more and more, fearing her phones were tapped

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>by She agreed it was best to be admitted to

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Stony Lodge Hospital, where she was diagnosed as a chronic

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>paranoid with depression. She expressed fears Elliott was trying to

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 1>kill her. Her marriage didn't survive this day. She and

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Elliott soon divorced, with Valerie being placed with Elliott's parents.

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>A woman with a new child with a happy home

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>life was by nineteen sixty two receiving a lecture shock therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, LSD researchers reputable ones would reinforce the idea

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that people receiving doses unknowingly were at the greatest risk

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 1>for adverse reactions. They couldn't ease their minds by reassuring

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 1>themselves it was a drug induced episode and only temporary

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>traumatic flashbacks could persist for years, well beyond the initial

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>window of hallucinations. It would be a long long time

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>before Elliott found out what happened at George White's apartment

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that night in nine By that time, Barbara would be dead,

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>having spent the remaining two decades of her life and

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>institutions we know George White had little compassion for his subjects,

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like so many others. He left Barbara then for herself.

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 1>But what about Albertine? She had driven Linda King to

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Did she share white sampathy? Did you really

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>not care that her friends were being irreparably damaged by

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>his actions? In two thousand two, journalist Douglas Valentine interviewed Albertine.

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It was Valentine who first revealed the connection between gil

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Fox and George White in his two thousand two series

0:28:55.160 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>for CounterPunch dot Org. Albertine was Valentine wrote, a sweet woman,

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>measured in her responses, professing to have little knowledge of

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>White CIA activities. But when Valentine mentioned Barbara Smythe, she turned.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>She began swearing and yelling. Valentine wrote that Albertine quote

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>descended into a string of expletives that would have embarrassed

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>a sailor. Her tirade left his writer with the firm

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>impression that she was thoroughly capable of having been White's

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>accomplice in his dirty work. Albertin refused to discuss it further.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Like George White had done with Clarice Stein, she simply

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>hung up. She didn't want to hear anymore. In all

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>of these cases, each person who trusted George White had

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>a vastly different reaction to his dosing them. Barbara Smythe withdrew,

0:29:54.840 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>succumbing to the paranoia. Clarice Stein phoned White and essently

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>until she realized his approach was careless and calculating. She

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>eventually drifted back into the White social circle. She was,

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>after all, coworkers with Albertine. Perhaps it was easier to

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>let the whole experience go than to create problems at

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>her job. The Jurgensen's avoided him entirely, the appeal of

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>his dangerous side having grown too frightening. The Foxes accepted

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>it as a condition of their friendship with White. For

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<v Speaker 1>a man who enforced morality, it's puzzling to consider White's

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>own version of it and how callous he could be

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>even to friends, though we do know something about his

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>ethics thanks to this passage from his unpublished autobiography Morality.

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned, that's just a word that

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<v Speaker 1>describes a current fashion of conduct. The Navajo Indians regarded

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it as a moral for old people to be permitted

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to live longer than they were able to take care

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>of themselves. We are moral, so we let our old

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>stars rust brought away in dreary poorhouses or pensioners hubble

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>type hotels. Our immorality sees nothing really wrong with evictions,

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>civil murder, capital punishment, anti birth control, laws that spawned poverty,

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>loan sharks and hidden charge operators, police brutality, millionaire politicians,

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and the nuclear pomb. So why should I get bugged

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>about the possibility that I might be immoral in someone's

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>daffy book merely because once upon a time I permitted

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>a generation of Adams to terry in my Eden? Where

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>was Sidney Gottlieb? And all of this for an operation

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>that CIA director Alan Dulles considered to be paramount and

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>securing the future of the United States. Was anyone aware

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>of white statistic street, that he was extending his psychedelic

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>outreach to include young mothers, that he was consumed by

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>sex and alcohol. Sydney Gottlieb knew all about it, as

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>White continued to give him reports. The two grew closer

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>when White took up leather working as a hobby. He

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>made Gotleib a belt for his birthday, and he had

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>another gift for Gotlieb the next time. He was in

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>New York. On at least one occasion, with White passed

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>out drunk, got leave and Albertine went into the next room,

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>shut the door and enjoyed the freedom Greenwich Village could bring.

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>In Eden, there was Linda King, the actress who visited

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>White and wound up on the rooftop of an apartment

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>complex contemplating a step forward. Albertein drove her to the hospital,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>where she insisted to everyone that George White had done

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>this to her. She wasn't scared of White. She wanted

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>people to know what happened. A police officer from the

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>New York Police Department took her statement, so did a

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>representative from the department's mental health unit. You can imagine.

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>They raced over to George White's apartment, knocked on his door,

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>demanded answers. Toxicology reports would demonstrate Linda King had been

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>administered LSD if they dug deeper, Barbara Smythe, Clarice Stein Kai,

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and Joe Jorgensen, and countless others could corroborate King's story

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that George White was on a psychedelic rampage. That's what

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>could have and should have happened. But Lynda King didn't

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>take into account one thing that the authorities had already

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>been contacted by the CIA, and the message was simple,

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>if anyone should come in with a complaint about George White,

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it should be torn up and forgotten. He was on

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a state sanctioned mission. Whatever happened to Linda King wasn't

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>the business of the New York Police Department. Decades later,

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<v Speaker 1>a CIA official would try to find Linda King's records

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<v Speaker 1>at Lenox Hill Hospital, they didn't exist. George White was

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<v Speaker 1>something worse than dangerous. He was untouchable. The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that could come between White and the CIA's mission to

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<v Speaker 1>master mind Control was from the game finally went too far.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take a fall from a tenth story window

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<v Speaker 1>for George White's fantasy life to finally shatter and for

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<v Speaker 1>the Snake to no longer be in charge about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Midnight Climax is hosted by Noel Brown. This show

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<v Speaker 1>is written by Jake Rosin, editing, sound design and mixing

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<v Speaker 1>by Ernie Indradad and Natasha Jacobs. Original music by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 1>Research and fact checking by Austin Thompson and Marissa Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Show logo by Lucy Quintanilla. Special thanks to Spencer Gibson,

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<v Speaker 1>David Crumholtz, Vanessa Crumholtz, Ted Raymie, and Jason Thompson. Julian

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<v Speaker 1>Weller is our supervising producer. Our executive producers are Jason

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<v Speaker 1>English and Mangesh a Ticketter. See you next week.