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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and iHeart podcasts

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Speaker 2: and unbothered network production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 2: I did not have former President Barack Obama creating controversy

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Speaker 2: during election season. On my twenty twenty four bingo card

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Speaker 2: Obaba recently visited a Pittsburgh field office for presidential candidate

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, and he used that opportunity to address the

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Speaker 2: Black men who aren't supporting hers.

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Speaker 3: I understand, based on reports I'm getting from jam Haig's

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Speaker 3: and communities, is that we have not yet seen the

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Speaker 3: same kinds.

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Speaker 4: Of energy and turnout in all quarts of our NAVA

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Speaker 4: I also want to say that that seems to be

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me unpack this and add some important context.

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Speaker 2: According to a recent New York Times post, seventy percent

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Speaker 2: of Black men are expected to vote for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Is that percentage as high as black women? No, for

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Speaker 2: black women, it's eighty three percent. And that's been the

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Speaker 2: case the last two presidential elections, not just this one,

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Speaker 2: but the percentage of Black men voting for Harris is

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Speaker 2: damn sure higher than white men, the majority of whom

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Speaker 2: we'll be voting for Donald Trump, as was the case

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: But back to Obama and black men.

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Speaker 4: When you have a choice, that is this clearland we

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Speaker 4: want to have, you have somebody who who are black

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Speaker 4: those what's to college Richard.

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Speaker 5: I understand the.

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Speaker 4: Struggles and pain and joy and comes from those experiences.

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Speaker 4: He said to work harder and do more.

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Speaker 6: And overcome.

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Speaker 4: And achieves the second highest office of elector, and as

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Speaker 4: putting forward concrete proposals to correctly address the things that

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Speaker 4: are vital in our neighborhoods of our communities, from housing

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Speaker 4: to making sure that our mothers and our fathers and

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Speaker 4: our red parents can afford medicine, making sure that we

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Speaker 4: are dealing with prices that are too high, rest that

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Speaker 4: are too high, and are committed to is committed to

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Speaker 4: me making sure that he's maintained affordable care. So everybody's

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Speaker 4: got help you. I'm curious about things like education and

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Speaker 4: entrepreneurship in the labels, and.

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Speaker 5: That's on web site.

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Speaker 4: And on the other side, you have someone who has

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Speaker 4: consistently shown.

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Speaker 5: This regard not just formal communities, look for.

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Speaker 1: You as a person now.

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Speaker 2: While some black men applauded Obama's message, there were a

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Speaker 2: number of black men who saw Obama's lecture as.

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Speaker 1: A when keeping it real goes wrong moment.

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Speaker 2: Paul Butler, a columnist for The New York Times, wrote,

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama has re elected himself quote scolder in chief

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Speaker 2: of black men. Per Butler, this isn't the first time

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Speaker 2: Obama has come at black men kind of sideways. He

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Speaker 2: also referenced this commencement speech Obama gave to more House

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Speaker 2: graduates in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 7: We know that too many young men in our community

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Speaker 7: continue to make bad choices, and I have to say,

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Speaker 7: growing up, I made quite a few myself. Sometimes I

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Speaker 7: wrote off my own failings as just another example of the.

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Speaker 6: World trying to keep a black man doe.

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Speaker 7: I had a tendency sometimes to make excuses for me

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Speaker 7: not doing the right thing. But one of the things

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Speaker 7: that all of you have learned over the last four

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Speaker 7: years is there's no longer any room for excuses.

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Speaker 2: It is unfair to position black men as the villains

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Speaker 2: in Kamala Harris's presidential story, especially when we know the

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Speaker 2: real villains in this episode of Scooby Doo.

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Speaker 8: I don't have feeling. Hanger are flat, That's about it.

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Speaker 8: Maybe happy with no walk that shit, there's no feeling.

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Speaker 8: What are feelings for? Feelings are for women? Who are

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Speaker 8: you gonna do with your feelings? When you're providing protect

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Speaker 8: you Gon'll put them in your back pocket somewhere. That's

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Speaker 8: where I keep my going.

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Speaker 9: Do you think Donald Trump does a bad job of

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Speaker 9: speaking to learning men than perhaps the Democrats?

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Speaker 4: Thing?

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Speaker 10: I think that Donald Trump falseley does a better job

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Speaker 10: because he sends and makes you feel like you're part

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Speaker 6: He knows what's going on and the horse and minds

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Speaker 6: of the average guy out here. He knows how to

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Speaker 2: Over sixty percent of white men voted for Trump in

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Speaker 2: the last election. Even if you choose to believe this

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Speaker 2: narrative that black men are defecting to the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: in droves, it isn't exactly a new narrative.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we've seen this tired narrative.

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Speaker 6: Over and over and over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: And twenty twelve, the media swore that Mitt Rodney was

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Speaker 2: going to pull in more black men. Eighty seven percent

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Speaker 2: of black men voted for Barack Obama in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: They said the same thing with Trump ran against Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Eighty one percent of black men voted for Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, same deal. Eighty percent of black men

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Speaker 2: voted for Joe Biden. Fun fact, the second largest most

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Speaker 2: loyal Democratic voting block, behind black women, is a black

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Speaker 2: man that said, it is hard not to notice the

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Speaker 2: number of black men who have been more vocal about

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Speaker 2: supporting Trump, especially black male athletes.

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Speaker 11: I see a lot of people in the unders.

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Speaker 6: I'm not bringing them up.

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Speaker 11: Come on, Tommy, one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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Speaker 11: And man, I'll tell you what he was, something special,

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Speaker 11: And thank you Tommy.

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Speaker 5: And he looks great, does he?

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Speaker 1: If only Martin would have whooped his ass.

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Speaker 2: Besides Tommy, hearns, there is Le'Veon Bell, the former NFL

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Speaker 2: running back who unfortunately attended my alma mater at Michigan State. Now,

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Speaker 2: how you gonna be out here calling somebody else a

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Speaker 2: tramp when you got six baby mamas, You got more

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Speaker 2: baby mamas than you had NFL teams. Six baby mamas

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Speaker 2: play for five NFL teams. I'm sorry, y'all, that was

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Speaker 2: petty ma bad. And then there's former NFL wide receiver

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Speaker 2: Antonio Brown, who was with Le'Veon Bell at that same

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Speaker 2: Trump rally. Definitely the person you want speaking at a

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Speaker 6: I love you guys.

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Speaker 10: I make all you guys the crackers the other days today,

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Speaker 10: make some noise for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well that was awkward. Now let's get to the root

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Speaker 2: of this. Are black men beyond frustrated with the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 2: And if so, why time to play? Ask a black man,

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Speaker 2: and in this case it's respected journalists and political pundit

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Speaker 2: Roland Martin, host of the daily digital show Roland Martin

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Speaker 2: Unfiltered on the Black Star Network.

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Speaker 12: You're not dealing with the same black men in twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty four as you're dealing with in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 12: Perfect example, Trump cut the corporate tax rate. It was

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Speaker 5: Five hundred thousand. I can't deny that.

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Speaker 12: Twenty twenty two, I'm in Georgia for Warnock and I

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Speaker 6: I was somewhere and.

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Speaker 12: We went to this coffee shop and a sister owner,

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Speaker 12: I get abortion and reproductive rights, she said, but I

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Speaker 5: What I care about is keeping his coffee shopping business.

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Speaker 12: So I'm looking at herschel Walker and Warnot when it

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Speaker 12: comes to corporate taxes.

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Speaker 5: Now we all know herschel Walker was an absolute idiot.

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Speaker 13: But this sister was saying, I am making decisions based

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Speaker 13: that is a part of this conversation as well.

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Speaker 1: Here's the crazy part.

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Speaker 2: The frustration some black men feel about the political system

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Speaker 2: Trump's most loyal supporters. I came across this fascinating piece

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Speaker 2: in the Connecticut Mirror, a nonprofit journalism organization. It was

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Speaker 2: written by psychology professor James O'Neill, who addresses why he

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Speaker 2: believes white men are psychologically drawn to Trump. O'Neil wrote,

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Speaker 2: on a more unconscious level, these vulnerable men are envious

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Speaker 2: they had, especially the educated, liberal intellectuals, minorities and women

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Speaker 2: with power, status, money, and options in life they believe

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Speaker 2: Trump uses fear to activate their anger and shame by

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Speaker 2: telling them it will worsen unless something is done. Trump

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Speaker 2: tells them how to feel better about themselves and who

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Speaker 2: to blame for their problems. From a psychological perspective, Trump

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Speaker 2: tells them what they want to hear.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, black men don't have the privilege of white men,

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Speaker 2: but some of them are carrying some of the same frustrations.

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Speaker 2: Only ten percent of black men make at least one

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Speaker 1: This according to the.

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Speaker 2: Brookings Institute, Trump has found a huge pressure point that

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Speaker 2: resonates with some black men by constantly denouncing undocumented immigrants

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Speaker 1: While we all got some jokes off when Trump.

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Speaker 2: Said that rygrants we are stealing black jobs, the growing

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Speaker 2: resentment is there, and if it's anything that Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is really good at, its tapping into resentment. Here's an

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Speaker 2: excerpt from a recent letter to the editor from a

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Speaker 2: response to Obama's comments about black men not supporting Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: The fact is black men do not feel that voting

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump will improve their situation. We know he

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Speaker 2: employs racist dog whistles and remarks, but Miss Harris seems

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Speaker 2: to have forgotten that we have long come to expect

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Speaker 2: the same thoughts from white men.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, we.

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Speaker 2: Expect more from black women, and until this point in

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Speaker 2: her campaign, Miss Harris had failed to verbalize a policy

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Speaker 2: tailor to benefit black men. The second and most important

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Speaker 2: reason is President Joe Biden's failure to answer the outcries

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Speaker 2: of black men who work and struggle, only to be

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Speaker 2: told there is no assistance for them. However, our communities

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Speaker 2: found funding to provide housing, food, and healthcare for migrants.

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Speaker 2: The people responding to these images are not Trump voters.

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Speaker 2: They are votes the Biden administration squandered. It has long

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Speaker 2: been a saying among black men and non voting black

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Speaker 2: communities that Democrats show up only when they want your

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Speaker 2: vote now. Vice President Harris has since rolled out a

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Speaker 2: black mail agenda as part of her policy plan, which

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Speaker 2: some have rereaded warmly, and others have said that ain't enough,

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Speaker 2: why now and called it pandering, even though aren't politicians

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Speaker 2: supposed to pander to their constituents. The frustration felt by

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Speaker 2: the proper vehicle to express that frustration, because seeing black

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Speaker 2: male athletes turn to Trump is especially disappointing because it

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Speaker 2: seems like some of them have forgotten how Trump has

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Speaker 2: talked about them before.

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Speaker 1: He said this about Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 11: Your San Francisco quarterback. I'm sure nobody ever heard of it.

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Speaker 11: There was an article today I love to report the news,

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Speaker 5: You believe that.

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Speaker 1: Here's Trump on Lebron.

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Speaker 1: He's fired.

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Speaker 5: He's fired.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't said in the right times that we won't

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Speaker 15: This morning, the President responded, going to the White House

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Speaker 1: Can you blame them for not wanting to eat big Maxine?

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Speaker 1: Kick it with a bigot.

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Speaker 2: Besides the economy, police misconduct and lawlessness ranks among the

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Speaker 15: Why are African Americans still dying at the hands of

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Speaker 2: Despite how black men are disproportionately killed by police, he

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Speaker 11: That we're going to give immunity to police so they

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Speaker 2: He also believes black men like that he's a convicted felon,

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Speaker 11: With Wilson the Marsha and you know who embraced it

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Speaker 5: You see black people walking around with my monk shot.

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Speaker 9: What is the significant of African American man in this election?

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Speaker 6: I'll see them identifying with Trump? Why do they charges.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamelle Hill and I approved this message.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next on politics, I'm going to keep this

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Speaker 2: currently serving under Michigan Governor Gretchit Whitmer. Up next, Garland Gilchris,

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Speaker 2: the second lieutenant governor. I am so happy that you

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Speaker 2: were able to join me here today. Ons politics, one

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Speaker 2: of the many interesting things in your bio, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that stood out to me is that you

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Speaker 1: I am also a DAP step.

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Speaker 2: Fund So for people who are like, what the hell

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Speaker 2: is DAP set, it is a pre engineering program that

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Speaker 1: It was free then, but I think it's no longer free.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So just DAP set means Detroit Area or pre

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Speaker 6: I know that because it's like in graand I was

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to start by asking you a question

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I love this. So I played basketball

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I always played team sports. I never

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Speaker 2: Now you have a very unique, non traditional path into

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Speaker 6: against Houston. But then the second thing, though, was a

445
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Speaker 6: picture of a tiger, a Bengals tiger, And she asked

446
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Speaker 6: me if that tiger was at the Detroit Zoo, and

447
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Speaker 6: I told her that the tiger was in India, and

448
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 6: she just was like, wow, I've never seen anything in India.

449
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Speaker 6: And so it showed her that like the Internet can

450
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Speaker 6: connect you to places that are far away from me,

451
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Speaker 6: so I fell in love with technology. I went to

452
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Speaker 6: University of Michigan. I was a double engineering major. I'm

453
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Speaker 6: majored in computer engineering and computer science. Like I wrote software.

454
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Speaker 6: I went to Microsoft after college and built software systems.

455
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Speaker 6: I worked on SharePoint. I started and sold to technology

456
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Speaker 6: companies in my career, one about a job an internship

457
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 6: website in Detroit, and another one that was about making

458
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Speaker 6: donations to nonprofits via Twitter. So like, I'm an entrepreneur

459
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 6: in this, but I never thought about connecting my technology

460
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Speaker 6: skills to politics until Barack Obama ran for president in

461
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Speaker 6: two thousand and eight, and I volunteered on his campaign

462
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Speaker 6: when I was living out in Seattle, and one of

463
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Speaker 6: the campaign organizers actually, when he found out that my

464
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Speaker 6: job was writing software, he actually put me on the

465
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Speaker 6: software team for that campaign. And so, now for you

466
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Speaker 6: get all those text messages from from you know, political

467
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 6: campaigns ask you for money, Yeah, I was that we

468
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 6: were asking people work. I got a chance to contribute

469
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Speaker 6: to that tech and that was the first time that

470
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Speaker 6: had ever been used for political purposes. And so again

471
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Speaker 6: this is about technology opening up new experiences for people.

472
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Speaker 6: And so I was so inspired by that and by

473
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 6: President Obama that I actually, you know, look, here's the sequence, Smail.

474
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Speaker 6: I quit Microsoft on July third, I got married on

475
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Speaker 6: July eleventh, and I'm still married. We celebrated fifteen years

476
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Speaker 6: this summer, my wife, Hell and I.

477
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Speaker 1: I was saying, and Ellen was cool with you.

478
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Speaker 6: It works out. Jobs, good job. But then we moved

479
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Speaker 6: to Washington, d C. And I got trained as a

480
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 6: community organizer, inspired by President Obama. But I was able

481
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Speaker 6: to be a community organizer who understood how to use

482
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Speaker 6: technology to reach even more people, to take that organized

483
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Speaker 6: into a scale that you know, it wasn't possible in

484
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Speaker 6: previous generations. And I worked on issues all around the

485
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Speaker 6: country on economic justice, social justice, racial justice, immigration reform,

486
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Speaker 6: affordable housing, stopping voter suppression all over the country. And

487
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Speaker 6: so I was doing that work and living in DC.

488
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 6: My twins were born in DC. But I wanted to

489
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Speaker 6: come home, Jameel. I missed home. I felt bad about

490
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Speaker 6: leaving home. I started a whole organization call Detroit Diaspora

491
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Speaker 6: for people who were from Detroit but lived in other

492
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Speaker 6: places because there's a Detroit community in every city and

493
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 6: connecting people on that. But finally we went home ten

494
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 6: years ago, in twenty fourteen and actually went home to

495
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Speaker 6: get out of politics. I went home to I took

496
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Speaker 6: a job in city government, using my technology training and

497
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Speaker 6: experiences to help people rebuild trust in city government because

498
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 6: people had lost it. You know, we were coming off

499
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Speaker 6: of we were in the midst of the city's bankruptcy,

500
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Speaker 6: coming off of all the stuff with Mayor Kilpatrick. That

501
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 6: people had lost trust in city services. So I was

502
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Speaker 6: using my skills to help rebuild that. Not in a

503
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Speaker 6: political role, but I was like, I made something to

504
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 6: help people be able to report potholes and broken streetlights

505
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Speaker 6: called improve Detroit. I helped change the way we've managed

506
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Speaker 6: fire hys in the city because there were a lot

507
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Speaker 6: of broken fire hydrants in our city, which is really

508
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 6: dangerous in the city to have the busiest fire department

509
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Speaker 6: in the country, you know. So I was doing that

510
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Speaker 6: kind of work and it wasn't until the twenty sixteen

511
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Speaker 6: election when I personally had a bad voat experience that

512
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 6: people encouraged me to run to be the election administrator.

513
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Speaker 1: And that's how I So what was your voting experience?

514
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Speaker 6: I voted at a library called the Frederick Douglas Library

515
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 6: on Grand River and Trumbule in Detroit, and I went

516
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 6: there with my little babies. They were, you know, in

517
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen, they would have been in preschool at the time,

518
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 6: and the line was three hours long for a small precinct.

519
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Speaker 6: The voting tabulation, the vaalots tabulation machine broke. People didn't

520
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 6: know what to do. It's like, my kids relate to school.

521
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 6: My wife and I were late to work, and it

522
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 6: was just the system failed us, and I think it

523
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 6: failed a lot of people in Detroit that year. And

524
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Speaker 6: what happened in twenty sixteen, for folks that don't know,

525
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 6: is President four. President Trump won Michigan by ten than

526
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Speaker 6: seven hundred and forty one votes, a very very very

527
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Speaker 6: narrow margin. And I felt like, and people convinced me that,

528
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Speaker 6: you know what, a better run election than the city

529
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Speaker 6: Detroit probably could have led to more people voting in

530
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Speaker 6: Detroit and like eleven thousand more people, Like that's not

531
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Speaker 6: a high bar, and then the whole trajectory of our

532
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 6: country would have been different. So I ended up actually,

533
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 6: you know, leaving my job at the city where I

534
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 6: was working and stepping into this political realm and never

535
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: considered it before. And my wife was like no, I

536
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: think we can do this, And so she put me

537
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 6: on her back and carried me that year while I

538
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 6: worked every day to try to earn people's respect and

539
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 6: support the city Detroit for the Detroit City Clerk at

540
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 6: a position a few people understood, and I came really close,

541
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 6: came really really close, but unfortunately I lost in twenty seventeen.

542
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you didn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you didn't lose by a lot. You lost

544
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Speaker 2: by less than fifteen hundred votes, and.

545
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Speaker 6: You were lost by fourteen hundred and eighty six. Yes,

546
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Speaker 6: I remember nothing.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm sure probably, And he lost to somebody who you know,

548
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: wasn'n incumbent and you're a relative unknown running.

549
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: For Detroit City Clerk.

550
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: What did you learn about yourself and running for you know,

551
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: actually running for a political office and losing?

552
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 6: I learned a ton like First of all, the thing

553
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 6: that's so interesting about about the political realm is there

554
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 6: are a few other things in life where you put

555
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 6: yourself out there that much like you literally have to

556
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 6: put your they to go. I went to seventeen thousand

557
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 6: people's houses personally to go on their porch and to

558
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 6: talk to them about the election and about voting and

559
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 6: introduce myself and everything, and just then things that people

560
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: will tell you was just was just blew my mind.

561
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 6: So I learned how to be a better listener. I

562
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 6: learned that I had to be convinced that people actually

563
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: wanted to hear my story, and so I had to

564
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 6: learn how to how to communicate more effectively, which starts

565
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 6: with listening, but learn how to say, hey, you know

566
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 6: what people. I was worried that people would be scared

567
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 6: away by the fact that I was a software person,

568
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: but I had to learn and people are like, nah, no,

569
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: that's that's that's different. We want to hear what that

570
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 6: means and why is that relevance to what you're trying

571
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 6: to do, Like I had to learn how to tell

572
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 6: that story. I learned that if people feel like you

573
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 6: are trying to do something for the right reason, they

574
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 6: will help. And I think they felt that I was

575
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 6: earnest in my attempt to be a public servant, and

576
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 6: people stepped up jaml in ways that I am forever

577
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 6: indebted to. We had six hundred volunteers helping on that campaign.

578
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 6: We got donations from every state in the country to

579
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 6: help on that campaign. Like it was it was it

580
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 6: was a wash over me in a way that I

581
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: can't even articulate. And that's why when I lost the

582
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 6: next morning, I cried like a baby, like my wife

583
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 6: had to pick me up off the couch and I

584
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 6: apologized to her, like baby, like I put that, tried

585
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: all this and put and you know you had to

586
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 6: do all this extra work because I wasn't here for

587
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 6: the kids for eight months and all that stuff, and

588
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 6: I lost. I couldn't do it, like I'm sorry. I

589
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 6: apologized to my supporters and everything. But I learned that

590
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 6: that people that at bottom like we are unselfish people

591
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 6: like people want to be part of something that they

592
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 6: think is happening for the right reason. And and so

593
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 6: I was so just. It was a life changing experience

594
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 6: for me. Now after I lost, So I didn't think

595
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 6: I was going off again.

596
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: Did you feel like your political career was over?

597
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Speaker 6: Well, at least I thought it was going to be

598
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 6: on hold for a long time. So that was the

599
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 6: first time I'd ever run for office, and I thought, okay,

600
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 6: I learned a ton, I made a lot of friends,

601
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Speaker 6: That's how I met Gretchen Whitmer during it. But I

602
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 6: didn't think that I was going to turn around and

603
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 6: remem for office again until maybe some time later in life.

604
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Speaker 6: And so I'm not going to let me go back

605
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 6: to civilian life. Let me, you know, get a job

606
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 6: and and you know, do the thing, do our thing

607
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 6: with our family, and then maybe I'll revisit this. And

608
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 6: it was really just God's grace, good luck, great team,

609
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 6: and you know, Gretcha Whitmer willing to be creative that

610
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 6: led to her reaching out to me and asking me

611
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 6: to consider be our running mate that following year.

612
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: Now, how did it.

613
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: Make you feel, because obviously it was out of you

614
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: weren't out of the box choice, and I'm sure you

615
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: anticipated that there would be some resistance, and in fact,

616
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: the Republican party chair at the time said that you

617
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: were the least qualified candidate for the office of lieutenant

618
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: governor in the history of Michigan. So how did you

619
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: feel about that skepticism, given the fact that you didn't

620
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: have traditional political experience.

621
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Speaker 6: So on that specifically, So he literally apologized to me

622
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 6: like four months after the election. Yeah, hilarious. When he

623
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 6: came up to me. I didn't really know him anyway.

624
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 6: So I did expect people to have questions, and that's

625
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 6: fair you know, to have the question like, Okay, well

626
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 6: who is this guy who you picking who just lost

627
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 6: an election? Like that'll make sense, right, So I think

628
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 6: that's fair. But for me, again, what I learned in

629
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 6: my own race for that local election is that I

630
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 6: need to be exactly who I am and then not

631
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 6: apologize for that and to just give people said that

632
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 6: I'm gonna offer myself and then if that's not thing

633
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 6: that that voters want, then they have the right to

634
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 6: make that choice. And so how I was able to

635
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 6: handle skepticism, and it was like a lot of it

636
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 6: was either based on just a lack of familiarity or

637
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 6: someone being you know, purposely told something that was not

638
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: true about me. So I almost didn't hold that against

639
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 6: you know, like a lay person who had that opinion,

640
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: because that was through no fault of their own, because like,

641
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 6: why would they have heard of me if you were

642
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 6: if you were a person a voter in Saginaw, Michigan,

643
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 6: why would you have heard of me?

644
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: You know?

645
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 6: And so I just said, this is an opportunity for

646
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 6: me to go and meet people where they are and

647
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 6: listen to them and then have them have me experienced them.

648
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 6: And then as part of a conversation, have have have

649
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 6: them experienced me, And I think that's helped me be

650
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 6: able to build rapport with people all of the Michigan

651
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 6: because I go everywhere the Michigan's eighty three counties. I

652
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 6: have been to all eighty three counties multiple times, sit

653
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 6: with people, and I talk to people off the record.

654
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 6: I'm not talking to people with a bunch of TV

655
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 6: cameras behind me. Everything is like, I want to hear

656
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 6: what's important to you, you know, what's important in your

657
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 6: family and your future. And I think people I think

658
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 6: I earned people's you know, respect, whether that was you know,

659
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 6: Democrats or Republicans, because they were like, well, I think

660
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 6: I believe him that he actually cares about what I'm saying,

661
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Speaker 6: and so I have the skepticism by just being super earnest,

662
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Speaker 6: like okay, yeah, I hear that, but let's still talk.

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Speaker 6: And I think that was we were able to get

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Speaker 6: past that. As a result, there were a lot of

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Speaker 6: people who have had more traditional careers in public service,

666
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Speaker 6: who are very accomplished, very respected in the community.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think I think part of it was because I

669
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Speaker 6: think we compliment each other really well. I would let

670
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Speaker 6: we don't have anything in common except the things that matter,

671
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like man, woman, black, white, Detroit, Lancing.

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Speaker 6: She went to state, I went to Michigan. You know

673
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But but but she's an attorney, I'm

674
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Speaker 6: an engineer. She was a career elected official. I'd never

675
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Speaker 6: been elected. I think that balance made us a really

676
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Speaker 6: representative team of the state of Michigan, and frankly, Michigan

677
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Speaker 6: voters hadn't been offered a team that was that was

678
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Speaker 6: that representative before. And so I think I think part

679
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Speaker 6: of it is, like you know, we share, we share values,

680
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Speaker 6: we shared the values of people and community. But I

681
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Speaker 6: think the fact that we had so little in common

682
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Speaker 6: was a strength so that more people could see themselves

683
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Speaker 6: in our partnership and that our service would therefore be

684
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Speaker 6: more reflective of folks. So I think that was a

685
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Speaker 6: big piece of it. And I think, like you know,

686
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Speaker 6: I think she saw that as a as a newcomer,

687
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Speaker 6: but that I was willing, I had a good work

688
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Speaker 6: ethic and so was committed, and I think people sort

689
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Speaker 6: of vouched for that. Maybe if she would have asked

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Speaker 6: us to make all you Gil Chris, he was putting

691
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Speaker 6: in net work you know, like he that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: So I think those with those are some of the

693
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Speaker 6: components that went into that choice and I think have

694
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Speaker 6: served as well as a team since we've been in

695
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Speaker 6: office now going on six years.

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Speaker 2: Well, anybody who follows you, and or especially if they

697
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Speaker 2: follow you on social media, I mean, the one thing,

698
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Speaker 2: whether people agree with you politically or not, that they

699
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: can say is that you show up. And certainly, you know,

700
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Speaker 2: even though you know we've gotten a chance to know

701
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Speaker 2: each other, I mean, for you to show up and

702
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: my father and lost fish fry, it's just wild governor

703
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Speaker 2: to do. But it was, as you say, it was

704
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to talk to many members in the community.

705
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Speaker 2: They were there because the fish Fry draws a lot

706
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Speaker 2: of people. But in general, like you are literally everywhere

707
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Speaker 2: now as someone who is that close to the ground

708
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: and commonly hears what are the priorities for voters? You know,

709
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Speaker 2: we're recording this podcast, we're less than forty days.

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Speaker 1: From the national election.

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Speaker 2: For the presidential election, one of the focuses has been

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Speaker 2: on black men in particular. A lot of them, at

713
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Speaker 2: least through social media and sometimes in more public places,

714
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Speaker 2: have expressed a level of discontent with the Democratic Party

715
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Speaker 2: based off what you have seen, what you've heard from

716
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Speaker 2: voters on the ground, especially black men, What have been

717
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Speaker 2: the primary concerns you have heard from them.

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Speaker 6: On the ground. Yeah, Look, the thing that I hear

719
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Speaker 6: and whether it's in Michigan, I mean, I went to

720
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Speaker 6: Milwaukee for the campaign about a month ago and talked

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Speaker 6: to brothers in a lot of different settings in that city.

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Speaker 6: The thing I hear is it's like less about Democrats

723
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Speaker 6: than it is more about just in patience with the

724
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Speaker 6: pace of change. Like, look, man, I want more, I

725
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 6: need more. We need something because we feel like we

726
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 6: are trying, we are grinding, and I don't feel like

727
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Speaker 6: I'm getting enough. I don't feel like I'm making enough progress.

728
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Speaker 6: And whether that means that's that's professionally in terms of Look,

729
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Speaker 6: I'm trying to build my wealth and it's not coming

730
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Speaker 6: and I still feel blocked out of opportunity for any

731
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Speaker 6: number of reasons, you know, educationally, frustrating with frustrations with family,

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Speaker 6: with family and their support they can give for the family,

733
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Speaker 6: frustration with the criminal legal system, and I feel like

734
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Speaker 6: Democrats have been have done enough on that. I think

735
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Speaker 6: it's a frustration with the pace of change because I think,

736
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Speaker 6: you know, black men are pretty ambitious. We can't help

737
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Speaker 6: but be optimistic about the future because you never heard

738
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Speaker 6: of a you know, you know, black folks are not

739
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Speaker 6: nostalgic like the past was typically worse for us.

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Speaker 2: Because that's what we definitely don't want to return to

741
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Speaker 2: it again.

742
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Speaker 6: Don't make no sense to us because it's like my

743
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Speaker 6: Frandma does not want to go back to the forties.

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Speaker 6: Like she likes Alabama still because she's from there, but

745
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Speaker 6: she doesn't want to go back to the forties Alabama, Right.

746
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Speaker 6: So I think, I think what we have the operatortunity

747
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Speaker 6: to articulate and what Vice President Harrison Governor Walls are

748
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Speaker 6: doing is having the conversation about listen, I care about

749
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Speaker 6: what you want in your future, and let's talk about

750
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Speaker 6: how we get there and what do you need from that.

751
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Speaker 6: And I think what I hear from brothers is like,

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Speaker 6: I'll give you example. So I had a conversation with

753
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Speaker 6: a guy in a barbershop about a month ago, and

754
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 6: he said that this guy works on community violence interruption

755
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Speaker 6: in the community. Right, so he's talking about how do

756
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Speaker 6: we deal with gun violence in day to day gun

757
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Speaker 6: violence in the city. And he said, you know, look, man,

758
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Speaker 6: I'm kind of on the fence because I feel like

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Speaker 6: I've been doing the same thing for all these years

760
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Speaker 6: in terms of voting, and I haven't feel like I've

761
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Speaker 6: gotten a different level of support. And so in talking

762
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Speaker 6: with him through that, what I said was you had

763
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Speaker 6: a basic level brother, Like, look, if you've been doing

764
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Speaker 6: this work for fifteen years, you obviously have a very

765
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Speaker 6: clear vision of what you want our community to look like.

766
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Speaker 6: Like you know, what you wanted to feel like for

767
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Speaker 6: everyone in our community. Are boys to feel like they

768
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Speaker 6: are invested in and somebody cares about their future, that

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Speaker 6: somebody values and respects them, that they can be protected,

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Speaker 6: you know, protecting their community rather than unsafe in the community.

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Speaker 6: Like you have a vision for what that means. And

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Speaker 6: so I think you got to ask yourself who actually

773
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Speaker 6: might share that vision in terms of these choices in

774
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Speaker 6: the presidential canon on the campaign, because like, I don't

775
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Speaker 6: think Trump care about them kids. You ain't trying to

776
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Speaker 6: get killed. I don't think. I don't think he cares

777
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Speaker 6: about them. I just don't, Whereas like I think Vice

778
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Speaker 6: President Harris, I think she cares about them boys. The

779
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Speaker 6: ones you were with yesterday. I think she would talk

780
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Speaker 6: to them in a non condescending way, and if she

781
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 6: wouldn't offer them gym shoes, I think she would say like, hey,

782
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Speaker 6: look like you, what are you trying to get to? Oh,

783
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 6: you know, you got an idea. You want to go

784
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 6: back to school, you want to start a business, Like,

785
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 6: let's figure out how to do that. And I said

786
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Speaker 6: that this selection at bottom is about who's the person

787
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Speaker 6: that's going to help How will they play a role

788
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Speaker 6: in getting you closer to your goal or your vision

789
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 6: you want for our community. And I just think the

790
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 6: choice on that level just could not be more clear

791
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 6: in this election. But we have to go and listen

792
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 6: to people to suss that out. We have to go

793
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Speaker 6: be willing to go and engage with people to tell

794
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Speaker 6: that story. Say yeah, you know, you need to go

795
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Speaker 6: to a fish fry, you need to go to a

796
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Speaker 6: high school football game. You need to go and meet

797
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Speaker 6: people where they are to talk to them. And that's

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Speaker 6: really that's important to me and my service. And look,

799
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Speaker 6: I love people, so I will always get energy from

800
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Speaker 6: being around people. But the reason I love them is

801
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: because I learned something from them, you know, And that's

802
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Speaker 6: what we got to be willing to do.

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Speaker 2: I definitely want to pick up more along this line

804
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Speaker 2: and about what black men have at stake for in

805
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Speaker 2: this election, but we're going to take a quick break,

806
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Speaker 2: real quick, and out of the break, I'm going to

807
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Speaker 2: play a clip of because what you said reminded me

808
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Speaker 2: a lot of what Governor Wes Moore recently said about

809
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Speaker 2: black mail voters being frustrated with the pace of change

810
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Speaker 2: and how Trump is.

811
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Speaker 1: The vehicle for the frustration but not for the solution.

812
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Speaker 1: He dropped the bar.

813
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Speaker 2: So I'll play that on the other side of the break,

814
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Speaker 2: and we'll continue with this conversation more with Lieutenant Governor

815
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Speaker 2: Garland GILCHRISAACP.

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Speaker 16: Released a pull on Friday that showed while Black Americans

817
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Speaker 16: overwhelmingly identify as Democrats, over one quarter of black men

818
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Speaker 16: under fifty said they would support the Republican candidate in

819
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Speaker 16: this year's election. Why do you think that younger male

820
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Speaker 16: black voters are changing their association like this?

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Speaker 14: You know, I think there's a you know, especially for

822
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Speaker 14: younger black men, there is a frustration, but it's not

823
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Speaker 14: necessarily frustration with Vice President Harris and it's not even

824
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Speaker 14: necessary frustration with the Democratic Party. Frankly, it's a frustration

825
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Speaker 14: of the pace of progress in America. You know, I

826
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Speaker 14: think about my state. In my state, when I was inaugurated,

827
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Speaker 14: we had an eight to one racial wealth gap in

828
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Speaker 14: the state of Maryland. And that's not because one group

829
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Speaker 14: was working eight times harder. That's because of historical policies

830
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Speaker 14: and circumstances. When I'm the third African American ever elected

831
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Speaker 14: governor in the history of the United States, that's not

832
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Speaker 14: because I'm only the third African American ever qualified to

833
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Speaker 14: be a governor. And so I think the thing that

834
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Speaker 14: we continue to see, and frankly, I think that debate

835
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Speaker 14: was actually a perfect illustration where for many of us,

836
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Speaker 14: we grew up being told by our family members, you've

837
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Speaker 14: got to work ten times as hard in order to

838
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Speaker 14: get ahead, in order to get an opportunity. We saw

839
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Speaker 14: Donald Trump walk on that debate stage uniquely and historically

840
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Speaker 14: unprepared and because he thinks he can win on a whim.

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Speaker 6: And so I think the frustration that people feel is real.

842
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Speaker 14: But I think the thing that we're continuing to push

843
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Speaker 14: to a lot of voters, particularly African American voters, is

844
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Speaker 14: that Donald Trump is a vessel to the skepticism, but

845
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Speaker 14: what he is not is actually a vehicle for the solution.

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Speaker 2: Now, those comments from Wes Moore are very very striking,

847
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Speaker 2: and as I said before the break that you echoed

848
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Speaker 2: something similar. So the frustration though is that, I guess

849
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Speaker 2: you know this in the political process, it takes a

850
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Speaker 2: long time sometimes for things.

851
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Speaker 1: To take effect. There are things that Reagan did that

852
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: we're feeling the effects zone now, you know what I mean.

853
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Speaker 1: There are things that happened presidents ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you think about the pace and when

855
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Speaker 2: we really felt mass incarceration, like this is kind of

856
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: how it goes. So for you know, black men in particular.

857
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Speaker 2: You know, another frustration they seem to be having, or

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Speaker 2: at least that's expressed to the vehicle social media, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard the same thing on

860
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Speaker 2: the ground is that they kind of feel invisible to

861
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party even though you're in the leadership position,

862
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Speaker 2: Governor Wes Mori is like most of the haw km Jeffreys,

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Speaker 2: a significant portion of black male leadership is within the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. How do you think that criticism is fair

865
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Speaker 2: that they are invisible to this party?

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Speaker 6: So, first off, shout out to the governor more amazing leader,

867
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Speaker 6: friends and a mentor. So I appreciate that he and

868
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Speaker 6: I on the same page on trying to sort of

869
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Speaker 6: name one of the challenges we have to overcome. You know,

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Speaker 6: I hear that. I've heard this from men of different ages,

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Speaker 6: different walks of life, that they feel invisible, and I

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Speaker 6: understand it. You know, it is absolutely reasonable to want

873
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Speaker 6: to feel like politics is directly responsible to you and

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00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 6: directly response to your community. You know, voting is as

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Speaker 6: much of an individual active to the collective that you know,

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Speaker 6: you want to feel like people are trying to get

877
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Speaker 6: your vote specifically, not just your vote broadly. I think

878
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 6: that is totally fair, and so I think that our

879
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 6: responsibility as a as a team of Democrats, as a

880
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 6: party is to make sure that people feel that way.

881
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: I had an old union guy tell me several years

882
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 6: agoding and people like to people like to feel that

883
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: they get in campaign to, you know, and it's like,

884
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 6: that's real. And so our job through not only the

885
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 6: policies that we talked about and the substance of them,

886
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 6: but how we talk about them, where we talk about them,

887
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 6: who talks about them. I think it's our job to

888
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: go and bring that message to people, Like it's not

889
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 6: voters responsibility. I don't think this might be controversial. Not

890
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 6: a voter's responsibility to like necessarily go in and have

891
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 6: to dig up everything, Like it's kind of my responsibility

892
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: as a campaigner to go give you something or to

893
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 6: go bring it to you, like we're we're just a

894
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 6: two way street. And so I think and how I focused,

895
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 6: you know, our efforts in Michigan is on really challenging

896
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 6: the campaign and they responded to, let's go out here

897
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 6: and go to community, go into community and go to

898
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 6: places again where people may not be accustomed to having

899
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 6: political conversations and let them know that even if they're

900
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: not into politics, politics has happening to them every single day.

901
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 6: And so you know we're going to meet again. Like

902
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 6: since this is about sports, like sporting events, like especially

903
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 6: like these like community sport events, high school sporting events,

904
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 6: these baseball tournaments. You know my son plays soccer side like,

905
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 6: these are places where people have opinions about life. And

906
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 6: that's what politics is. How can we position people for

907
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 6: success and to be their best and to have access

908
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 6: to health and wealth and all those things. And so

909
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 6: I get why brothers say that, because they just want

910
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 6: to feel every day like somebody is trying to earn

911
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 6: their respect. And so my job is to model what

912
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: that looks like and what it feels like. And this

913
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 6: campaign is getting getting better and better than them. What

914
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 6: that looks like, what that feels like.

915
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: Well, you have great patience, because sometimes I do. And

916
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said fifty to fifty Street even though

917
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: you are putting the responsibility more on the politicians to

918
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: deliver the message.

919
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: And I get that and I understand that.

920
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: But sometimes people act like somebody has to show up

921
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: at their door, you know, like it's millions of people in.

922
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: The country, Like you mentioned there's ten million people in Michigan.

923
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: You can't not see ten million people's door. So what

924
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna do if they don't.

925
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: Come to your door?

926
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 6: It's true, And I mean like and like you know,

927
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 6: Michelle Obama said that, like don't ask somebody shouldnt have

928
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: to wait to ask you to do something, like just

929
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 6: do something. I get that. But the reason where that

930
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 6: comes from for me, though, Jamlle is like it's hard

931
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 6: hard to get somebody, Like being mad at somebody is

932
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 6: not a strategy to get them to do something. You

933
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. It's like, for as frustrating as

934
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 6: it may feel, man, why aren't you informed?

935
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: Man?

936
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 6: Why aren't you gage? Man? Don't you know that that's wrong?

937
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 6: Like I understand that frustration, But ultimately, if I want

938
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: you to be part of this process, I gotta come

939
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 6: get you. You know what I'm saying. Like it's like

940
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 6: there were kids on my AAU basketball team who weren't

941
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 6: going to go to practice unless my coach went and

942
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 6: picked them up. That kid was a great basketball player,

943
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 6: but he'd have been at the crib if coach did

944
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 6: not get in the van and go pick him up

945
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 6: and bring them a practice. I keep that same energy

946
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 6: in this process and saying that, you know what, We're

947
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 6: going to do everything we can in our power to

948
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 6: reach many people as possible. Now, the other piece of that, though,

949
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 6: is it's not necessarily a one to one thing. Like

950
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 6: there are brothers in the community who if we are

951
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: able to connect with them and that and when they

952
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 6: get bought in, then they will get everybody else, or

953
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 6: they will get a large number of people. It's always

954
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 6: worse like that. And so whether it is a leader

955
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 6: in a family in a community, in a neighborhood like whatever.

956
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 6: It may be, so part of the campaign. But you

957
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 6: can only do this if you know the community is

958
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 6: to understand, like who are those people and how can

959
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 6: you really talk with them on a real level, Ask

960
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 6: them what's important to them, you know what they need?

961
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 6: Resource them appropriately so that then they can go and

962
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 6: do the work, and to reach people who I can

963
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: never reach, because for as accessible as I feel like

964
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 6: I am, there are people who I'm not going to

965
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 6: be able to reach as effectively as somebody else for

966
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 6: any number of reasons. I don't know. To zoo. Look,

967
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: I'm a west side guy. He from the East side.

968
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 6: I don't trust him. He has a suit on, like whatever.

969
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 6: There could be all these reasons, he's too tall and

970
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 6: all these reasons, right, But there's somebody who that who

971
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 6: that person would listen to and respect.

972
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: But along those same lines, I guess to make it

973
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: plain because I do feel like we do need to

974
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: be reminded of the stakes. So you know, for black

975
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: men who are voters and even those who are undecided,

976
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: what would you say is at stake for them in

977
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: this election?

978
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 6: Our economic potential is really at stake in this election.

979
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 6: You know, we have seen the last few years a

980
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 6: huge acceleration in Black folks starting businesses. I'm a two

981
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 6: time recovering entrepreneur myself. I talked about the two businesses

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 6: that I started, you know, so you know years back,

983
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 6: I want black men's ideas to be invested in, and

984
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: I think and those ideas can result in businesses. They

985
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 6: can result on whatever your you know, personal ambition may be,

986
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 6: job wise, et cetera. Because ultimately this is about access

987
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 6: to our dream of health and wealth. And at a

988
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 6: time when we've seen health outcomes be so did there

989
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 6: be such a wide disparity between the health outcomes for

990
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 6: Black men and other men? When you've seen a time

991
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 6: with the disparities and economic outcomes for black men and

992
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 6: other men be at an all time hot like this

993
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 6: election is yet another opportunity for us to take a

994
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 6: step toward eliminating those separities by making sure that folks

995
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 6: can be invested in as entrepreneurs, as amazing teammates and employees,

996
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 6: as fathers, as partners, as community leaders, and as healthy men.

997
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 6: And I think that we have frankly, one team who's

998
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 6: insitted in that another team who isn't And so we

999
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 6: can get into the other sort of issue specifics there,

1000
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 6: whether it's the paths and home ownership which is the

1001
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 6: foundation of the wealth of the American dream, and the

1002
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars tash credit for that, the fifty

1003
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 6: thousand dollars attached credit for entrepreneurs that Vice President Kamala

1004
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 6: Harris is introduced, that is the result of conversations she's

1005
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 6: had during her years as Vice president that led to

1006
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 6: this policy proposal with black entrepreneurs and black men in

1007
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 6: particular entrepreneurs. So there's been things that have been the

1008
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 6: result of her relationship building in the community. But I

1009
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 6: think our health and our wealth is what at state

1010
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 6: and our pathway to both of those. And so if

1011
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 6: folks want to be get closer to that, if black

1012
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 6: men want to be healthier and wealthier going forward, chance

1013
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 6: to take an action now to get closer to that.

1014
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that voting for Kamala Harris means that

1015
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 6: you're going to be wealthy. I'm not saying that voting

1016
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 6: for Kamala Harris is going to overcome the fact that

1017
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 6: everybody on your mother's side of family got diabetes. I'm

1018
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 6: not saying that what I'm saying is that this is

1019
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 6: a person we can partner with to make sure that

1020
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 6: we can be healthier and wealthier as a person who

1021
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 6: is cynically talking to a few of us, and then

1022
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 6: we'll disengage and forget about us.

1023
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: Now there has only been I think Wes Moore is

1024
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: the third black governor that we've had.

1025
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, that was that was a straight up election.

1026
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: Yes, that's an important distinction.

1027
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: Are you aiming to be the fourth my governor that

1028
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: will be elected?

1029
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 6: I appreciate, I appreciate that. Look, it's been amazing being

1030
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 6: a lieutenant governor of Michigan, is serving everybody in the

1031
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 6: state of Michigan, and I'm excited about the notion of

1032
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 6: potentially carrying forward service at the state level. So I

1033
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 6: want to get through this election first before making any

1034
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 6: news on what that means.

1035
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: All right, now, we're going to end this pod.

1036
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: Another thing I like to ask guests is what I

1037
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: call the messy question, because you know, I like to

1038
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: create a little controversy, because what's the whole point of

1039
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: us doing this if I can't put lieutenant governor in

1040
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: a headline? So this is the messy question for today's

1041
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: pot which is which one is your favorite? American or

1042
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: La fete Coney Island and the d You got to

1043
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: pick one, don't say both.

1044
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm not going to I'm not a bad persons.

1045
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 6: My favorite. However, my children's favorite is American, so I

1046
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 6: do spend so you didn't raise them, so I spend

1047
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: time in American. The American liacers fan, but like my

1048
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 6: personal favorite, that's a real one.

1049
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: Now, for those who don't know what we're talking about,

1050
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm sorry New Yorkers, I'm sorry any other places. Detroit

1051
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: is the home of Coney Island, Okay, and I have

1052
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: two of the most famous Coney islands in Detroit, American

1053
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: and Lafayette. They're right next up to each other in

1054
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: downtown Detroit. They've been rivals for years, and I I'm

1055
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: just gonna say, real g's.

1056
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Go to Lafaytte.

1057
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 5: That's all I say.

1058
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: American, it's cool, but real geez, go to Lafayette.

1059
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor.

1060
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: I want to thank you so much for joining us,

1061
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully the next time I talk to you, we'll

1062
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: be looking at our first black woman president, first female

1063
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: president period. So hopefully that'll be our next conversation and

1064
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: Michigan has a lot to do that, but take care

1065
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: and we'll be paying attention to your political career going forward.

1066
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 6: I appreciate that mail. Thank you so much for using

1067
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: your platform and informed people.

1068
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1069
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: Time now for this week's You Are Slash listener question.

1070
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: Today's question comes from AJ from Elkins Park, pennsil Vena

1071
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 2: about San Francisco defensively and Nick Bosa.

1072
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 9: Aja Mal It's AJ from Elkins Park, Pennsylvania. Here's my

1073
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 9: question for its politics. How do you feel if a

1074
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 9: player decides to demonstrate his political stance and then half

1075
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 9: asked it in his own private presser by acting like

1076
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 9: he didn't do anything wrong. I'm all for one, If

1077
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 9: you're going to stand on it, just keep standing on it.

1078
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 9: Why would you flash your hat at the end of

1079
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 9: the game presser and then in your solo pressor act

1080
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 9: like nothing happened. What was the point of that? Do

1081
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 9: you think Nick Bosa is really about that life or

1082
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 9: he's just.

1083
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 17: Basically trying to be a new sense So, AJ, you

1084
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 17: basically said that Nick Bosa ain't really about that life,

1085
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 17: and I would agree because here's what he said when

1086
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 17: a member of the media asked him about flashing the

1087
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 17: Maga hat in the postgame press conference.

1088
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 18: Discussion, you had a hat on that was not gonna

1089
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 18: have your currently clary that most game. Why did you

1090
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 18: kick that opportunity to make what would appear to be

1091
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 18: a political statement.

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to talk too much about it, but

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Speaker 11: I think it's an important time.

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Speaker 2: As you all know, I'm not with the shut up

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Speaker 2: and dribble or in this case, shut up and tackle crowd.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going to be big, bold and brave

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Speaker 2: enough to flash that Maga hat on national TV, then

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Speaker 2: you need to be equally big, bad, and bold enough

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Speaker 2: to defend your political stance. Because regardless of what people

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Speaker 2: thought about Colin Kaepernick's decision to take a need during

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Speaker 2: the national anthem to stand against police brutality and racial oppression,

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Speaker 2: Colin stood on his I.

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Speaker 19: Mean ultimately is to bring awareness and make people realize

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Speaker 19: what's really going on in this country. There are a

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Speaker 19: lot of things that are going on that are unjust.

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Speaker 19: People aren't being held accountable for, and that's something that

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Speaker 19: needs to change. That's something that this country stands for. Freedom, liberty,

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Speaker 19: justice for all, and it's not happening for all.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you know The easiest way you could tell

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Speaker 2: someone lacks conviction is when they did what Nick Bosa did,

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Speaker 2: or when they know they're defending something that's really indefensible.

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Speaker 1: My other issue with this is the media.

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Speaker 2: See when Colin took his stands, they got straight to

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Speaker 2: the point. If you watch the rest of that clip

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Speaker 2: I just played, They asked him about whether his demonstration

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Speaker 2: was disrespectful to veterans. They asked him about the people

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Speaker 2: who would say his protest was inappropriate. He answered every

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Speaker 2: single question. Where was that energy with Bosa? Will anybody

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Speaker 2: ask him this week how people should feel about him

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Speaker 2: supporting Trump after we just witnessed that clan rally that

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Speaker 2: took place in New York City, Or if he's concerned

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Speaker 2: his political views will alienate his teammates, many of which

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Speaker 2: are black and a few are Latino, or even alienate

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Speaker 2: the fans and one of the most diverse cities in

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Speaker 2: the country. These are relevant questions. So I not only

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Speaker 2: need Bosa to own it, I also need the media

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Speaker 2: to own it too. Now, if you would like to

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