Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, Hey, we're back. We're black Crown Ambition Ambition, Ambition, Ambition, Ambition,
Speaker 1: were real quick. I'm super excited because this episode is
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Speaker 1: you girl?
Speaker 2: I am ironically having a bad hair day, but I
Speaker 2: am so excited. I know, but I was upstairs, well
Speaker 2: you know how you're like. I don't know if you know,
Speaker 2: but I was like standing in the mirror with the scissors,
Speaker 2: like do I trim the bangs or do I just
Speaker 2: walk away? I chose non violence today. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: excited to have this show sponsored by not just Duve,
Speaker 2: but Dove's Haircare Crown Collection, which is all about the curly,
Speaker 2: the coily, the kinky.
Speaker 1: The way.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we're gonna definitely get into, i don't know,
Speaker 2: like an in depth, like sister girl conversation about our hair,
Speaker 2: because you can't separate. I feel like black women and
Speaker 2: their hair in their careers, money, business, personal life. It's
Speaker 2: just it infuses everything. So I'm gonna get a little
Speaker 2: candid with y'all. But I haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 2: We had like the best beautiful brown ambition. We'll call
Speaker 2: it a summit a self care summit. Yes, a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and then my life fell apart, like
Speaker 2: the day after, but I feel like you saw me
Speaker 2: on a high and then the next day just yeah,
Speaker 2: everything kind of went downhill. But that was so nice.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just so what happened was like Mandy and
Speaker 1: I were like, you know, I told you this is
Speaker 1: my year of connectedness, well just in general my life
Speaker 1: of connectedness, but this year I'm really leaning into it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna come to wood Chester.
Speaker 1: Maddy was like, it's actually.
Speaker 2: Stop calling it Worchester. Are you talking that purpose at
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 1: No know that time I did, I just say, and
Speaker 1: Mandy corrected it said like it's west Chester. Ill, So
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I've never been here. Yes, you always crazy.
Speaker 1: You said a whole baby where I've never met, I know,
Speaker 1: and like a whole house. I mean, it's just a
Speaker 1: lot has happened not I haven't seen Mandy since then,
Speaker 1: but I have not come to where she is. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, and then she texted
Speaker 1: me was like, let's make it. I was like, how
Speaker 1: about Saturday? She was like how about Friday, and I
Speaker 1: was just going to come to the house and Mandy
Speaker 1: was like, let's actually go to a spot. I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: say less, so went since what one? I met her
Speaker 1: at her beautiful home. It's so crazy because Mandy's home
Speaker 1: and my home. The decor could be cousins, right, because
Speaker 1: it's like similar colors. Back I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: can't live hea, it's so key. Her house is beautiful
Speaker 1: and so literally like similar wall color, similar tower color.
Speaker 1: It's just super comfy, super cozy. And so we met
Speaker 1: up and then we went to I guess it used
Speaker 1: to be a rich Carlton or it is still like
Speaker 1: a they've kind of like reframed, right, like a Chancy.
Speaker 2: Hotel downtown is what it is. And they have a
Speaker 2: Larry Night and I got a little because my cousin
Speaker 2: does work there, so we him King Olmes. That's count
Speaker 2: you know. I'm not gonna we can be transparent about that.
Speaker 2: But I started to go there because I sneak in
Speaker 2: and I can use the pool because this has been
Speaker 2: a tough pregnancy and I haven't been able to walk
Speaker 2: as much as I used to, so anyway, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you do massages too, and it's
Speaker 2: really nice. So that's my little home away from home now.
Speaker 2: And it felt really special because I'm like, come, I don't.
Speaker 1: Remember people's names, but I remember I said, Linda gird
Speaker 1: we go together. What size were you were, Linda? But
Speaker 1: Linda massides me down, hoodie. I was like, wait a
Speaker 1: minute now it was so I got a pool together.
Speaker 1: I know, no, it was like warmish, but that was
Speaker 1: just so nice to just like way through the pool,
Speaker 1: me and Manny just talking. It was just awesome. And
Speaker 1: then we went to pick up the baby, the big baby.
Speaker 2: Well, we had our fancy lunch ladies. Yeah, so that's right,
Speaker 2: very delic We had lunch in a nicely beautiful Mediterranean
Speaker 2: place in the middle of the day on a Friday. Yes,
Speaker 2: I just feel it feels better to me when I
Speaker 2: do those types of things during the work week, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is because you can when you have
Speaker 2: your own you know, you can manage your own schedule.
Speaker 2: But I love going to an empty restaurant in between,
Speaker 2: you know, like when there's on any people there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was lovely. And then you finally got to meet
Speaker 2: my baby.
Speaker 1: I know. We went to pick him up from daycare?
Speaker 1: Is it daycare or school? Now? Is a season? We
Speaker 1: call it? Well, he calls it cool and okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well he can win wait to cool to pick him up.
Speaker 1: At first, I could tell he was like, who this lady?
Speaker 1: It took him a little while to warm up, but
Speaker 1: what do you tell you something about me and my bestie? Yo?
Speaker 1: Just so you know, when you say a little while,
Speaker 1: you mean like thirty seconds. Right now. We got to
Speaker 1: the house and I could tell he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this lady's in my house. Her name is Tiffy obviously,
Speaker 1: and then just out of the blue, he was like,
Speaker 1: I've decided I like her. He climbed over the cap
Speaker 1: and just wrapped his arms on my neck. Was like,
Speaker 1: I live with her now.
Speaker 2: My mama never seen him do that with someone he
Speaker 2: just met. Honestly, I think that kids feed off of
Speaker 2: our energy. And he's like, Mama clearly loves this lady,
Speaker 2: so I love her like we are related now. So
Speaker 2: I was so cute, and instantly I was like, a trick.
Speaker 2: Do you know how it is? Mom's by trick Tiffany
Speaker 2: into babysitting. I was like, so he's cool. You guys
Speaker 2: are snuggling. I'm gonna go get husband and I'll be
Speaker 2: right by. And I came back and y'all were in
Speaker 2: the exact same snuggling position. Yes, we have left.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 2: You can't ever tell my mother in law that because
Speaker 2: she would be so jealous.
Speaker 1: Oh but it was. He was just like, so we're
Speaker 1: friends now, actually best friends, and Molly's a friend too.
Speaker 1: Molly was like, girl, what about me?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah you saw my Listen Molly. Molly
Speaker 2: surprises everyone with her her girth? Is that the right word?
Speaker 1: She think?
Speaker 2: She photographs her face is like little, but it hides
Speaker 2: the body. The body, YadA, YadA, yadda.
Speaker 1: Legs and hips and body. Molly's giving a body, but
Speaker 1: beautiful body. Okay, because we love all bodies here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's a natural girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's she's a duels.
Speaker 2: So special that really, I was like, so cause it's
Speaker 2: different when you It really meant something to me that
Speaker 2: you got to see, like how I live. I'm not
Speaker 2: that you know, but just like where I live in
Speaker 2: my home and stuff. It made sense and I was like,
Speaker 2: of course you should be here, and I wish you
Speaker 2: lived next door. You know.
Speaker 1: My favorite part was was like, and this was like
Speaker 1: I was telling us to doctor Greens. I had like
Speaker 1: therapy on Saturday, and I was like, oh, I went
Speaker 1: to visit. Mandy was so great. I said, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite parts is that I pulled up and you
Speaker 1: were like, you know, you asked me something to the
Speaker 1: effect of like you know, what time do you have
Speaker 1: to leave? Or like do you have a timeframe? And
Speaker 1: I said, this is the only thing I planned today
Speaker 1: and it felt so good to say it, and your
Speaker 1: face lit up, like and I'm like, that's how I
Speaker 1: want to go. But that's where I want life to go,
Speaker 1: right that, like you connect with friends in a way
Speaker 1: that's like, no, you are important to me. And as
Speaker 1: a result, like this is it? Like I didn't have
Speaker 1: anything else, It was just this. So I was going
Speaker 1: to stay as long or short as Mandy would have me.
Speaker 2: And so so it was awesome time you can I
Speaker 2: spend the night would end up leaving to be like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the store. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: walk around Target for a two hours. You're like, I
Speaker 2: got enough sisters who do that to me?
Speaker 1: No, I don't want I love it. Oh love.
Speaker 2: Wait, Well we got to make that. I don't want
Speaker 2: to put pressure on it, but we gotta make it. Wait,
Speaker 2: we're gonna well, I know for sure, I'm gonna see
Speaker 2: you this summer because where are we going?
Speaker 1: Where we are to see babe. Mandy blessed me with
Speaker 1: be all tickets. I mean, I gotta paid for them.
Speaker 1: But the fact that I even have access to be
Speaker 1: on tickets yes, many was like awesome. Cash, Hey girl,
Speaker 1: got some tickets. They're awesome. I want to go.
Speaker 2: I'm like, is he is this cracksy smoking Yes, well
Speaker 2: it's in Jersey. I had been trying to get tickets
Speaker 2: to her show in Atlanta, but it did not I
Speaker 2: didn't get any codes. I signed up for the Beehive,
Speaker 2: the the City thing. But my bestie Baron, who you
Speaker 2: met at my wedding, he got a code and it
Speaker 2: was so funny because he got he wasn't expecting he
Speaker 2: got it at work. He happened to have forgotten the
Speaker 2: city credit cards.
Speaker 1: So he called me.
Speaker 2: He's like, Mandy, I got the code, go get your
Speaker 2: city card. I'm gonna put it on your card. And
Speaker 2: like we were fighting over what seats to get because
Speaker 2: barn was being a little cheapy cheap, and I said, Baron,
Speaker 2: we agreed, the budget is fifteen hundred. I want to
Speaker 2: drop a washer dryer on this show because I don't
Speaker 2: cause I went to Formation the Formation tour, and I
Speaker 2: tried to get good seats, but I did, I got
Speaker 2: the nosebleeds, and I was like, I owe this to myself.
Speaker 2: Plus I ain't been nowhere in three years. I haven't
Speaker 2: even seen a show like the theater, like it's been
Speaker 2: so long, so I deserve okay. Yeah, And so Baron
Speaker 2: got four tickets and he said, okay, so you can
Speaker 2: bring a date and I can bring a date. And
Speaker 2: I was like, who the hell am I gonna get
Speaker 2: pay that much money for?
Speaker 1: You know me? I was like mmmm yeah, I love
Speaker 1: it because both of us are typically very very very frugal,
Speaker 1: like we're we're like legendary like b and Nady are
Speaker 1: legendarily frugal. But what she was like, it's fourteen hundred.
Speaker 1: I said, done, done. But that's what I love, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're going to bring it back to
Speaker 1: like Brian ambition and personal finance, that's what I love
Speaker 1: about this journe is because you know, I don't spend
Speaker 1: money on things that really don't enhance my life. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to something like this, I have it
Speaker 1: readily available and I'm like, you know, right now I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my my my target sweatshirt and swetpants and I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at us. But then when it was like fourteen tickets,
Speaker 1: I was like, girls a less, yeah, pair of shoes.
Speaker 2: Some people drop that on a pair of shoes, like no,
Speaker 2: But for I just know this is going to be
Speaker 2: so fun. Baron's got to pick out who's Poo's bringing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, the vibe has to be right.
Speaker 2: I need approvals. I had to get you pre approved
Speaker 2: by Baron because like b like like Beehive, I renaissance
Speaker 2: vibes only like we need it has to be lit
Speaker 2: like but I'm so excited and that's something to look
Speaker 2: forward to this summer too. So I'll be two months postpartum.
Speaker 2: Should I bring the baby and like ask her to
Speaker 2: maybe we'll be close enough that like some of her
Speaker 2: sweat and baptop.
Speaker 1: Or I'll just like lift the baby up. We gotta
Speaker 1: figureut how we go do our hair?
Speaker 2: Speaking of hair, Oh my gosh, yeah, well my hair
Speaker 2: is yeah, should we should we should we segue into
Speaker 2: the hair convo?
Speaker 1: Because should we take a break real quick first?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's do that. That's what professionals would do.
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and be right back when more
Speaker 2: Brown Ambition again sponsored by Doves Crown Hair Care Collections.
Speaker 2: So excited we're gonna come back and have a juicy
Speaker 2: convo about our locks, our luscious locks.
Speaker 1: And we're back in fabulous. So yeah, speaking of hair,
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, Oh, I'm gonna wear my hair.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that. But you know it's crazy
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I feel like, as a black woman,
Speaker 1: that's what we're always thinking, Like, how we gonna wear
Speaker 1: our hair?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's the hair gonna wear us today?
Speaker 1: Yes? Exactly, because sometimes the hair just be decided for us.
Speaker 1: What about you, Mandy? Like so like I would like,
Speaker 1: I'm curious because our hair is so well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's similar but different, Like lots of curls like mine
Speaker 1: are extra tightly coirl. Like the girls would say, I
Speaker 1: have four c do you know what You're like? What
Speaker 1: your curl pattern? What would they say?
Speaker 2: I have all of them? It is like a hodge.
Speaker 2: I have so many different curl patterns. My hair is
Speaker 2: so confused, and it took me a long time because
Speaker 2: I let's talk about like from baby, like from early
Speaker 2: childhood to now, like what the journey has been because
Speaker 2: I part of me feeling as comfortable as I do
Speaker 2: now and my skin and my career and myself has
Speaker 2: coincided with me finally embracing and letting my hair do
Speaker 2: its thing. But yeah, the curl patterns, like I have
Speaker 2: tried to diagnose and there's just there's a million different
Speaker 2: you know, curl patterns in there, and it really obviously
Speaker 2: I'm multiracial. My mom is white, she's super dup white European,
Speaker 2: European and English. I got the twenty three and me
Speaker 2: I know exactly my percentages. And then my dad is
Speaker 2: black and the black black black, Yes he is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I am like a lot of like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think like a lot of mixed kids, especially mixed
Speaker 2: kids raised by a mom who doesn't have textured hair.
Speaker 2: My earliest hair memories, I don't even know what my
Speaker 2: texture was because I got my first relaxer maybe four
Speaker 2: or five years old. I do see there are some
Speaker 2: pictures in my archive of me with like really cute
Speaker 2: my mom would like put it in pick like these
Speaker 2: poofy ponytails and stuff cute curly hair. But then it
Speaker 2: just stopped and then I had these like long straight
Speaker 2: you know, pin straight. And I asked her, I was like,
Speaker 2: who suggested that? And she said, I thought it was
Speaker 2: my aunt's like on my dad's side, but apparently she
Speaker 2: was walking through the mall and women would like comment
Speaker 2: on my hair. Black women would comment on my hair
Speaker 2: and be like you need to take that baby and
Speaker 2: get her perm and you know, a relaxer and so yeah,
Speaker 2: it started out with that. I don't remember my first
Speaker 2: relaxer experience, but when I tell you, I remember the
Speaker 2: ones after that, like from burning my scalp and in
Speaker 2: my mom doing the just for me kids at home.
Speaker 2: Was there ever a time when you were getting like,
Speaker 2: what was your hair growing up? When you were like
Speaker 2: young young and you had all these sisters too, alse
Speaker 2: hold the understand hair?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, well yes, because so my hair is like
Speaker 1: really really little, like the tightly curls that you can
Speaker 1: get like you know, afro texture hair, like if I
Speaker 1: didn't have like locks, now my hair you know, be
Speaker 1: like Michael Jack the afro like you know, it grows
Speaker 1: out not down. And so I've been natural like almost
Speaker 1: my whole life. I want to say I had a
Speaker 1: part maybe two years out of my life. So literally
Speaker 1: I'm forty three, so for forty one years I have
Speaker 1: worn my hair naturally, just different natural styles like braidsen things.
Speaker 1: But when I was really little, like my mom, like
Speaker 1: she wasn't like this super braider. Some of my earliest
Speaker 1: memories are like of like other black women braiding my hair.
Speaker 1: Like I remember there's this little girl, well now I
Speaker 1: call her little girl, but she probably was a teenager
Speaker 1: that would come and like braid my like my my,
Speaker 1: my mom would we would visit one of my cousins,
Speaker 1: like and I think they lived in Irvington or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she must have been like fourteen, and we kind
Speaker 1: of would just line up and get our hair braided
Speaker 1: by this young girl. We were little, I remember I
Speaker 1: did used to especially for Easter Sunday and things. We
Speaker 1: would get our hair pressed. That's on some of my
Speaker 1: earliest memories, which is the worst because hooch like that
Speaker 1: grease you know, like you know, hold your ear down,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's too much grease, so we would literally
Speaker 1: burn your scalp. And then I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: maybe I just was really stubborn about getting my hair done.
Speaker 1: But around like fourth or fifth grade, my mom gave
Speaker 1: me a Jerry curl. Jesus be a fence. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even in then. Like I look back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would you give me a Jerry curl? No, none
Speaker 1: of my sisters had it. Just Tiffany, I almost like,
Speaker 1: did you have hand.
Speaker 2: Done created Jerry curl? How do you create that? Is
Speaker 2: it product or is it like a So.
Speaker 1: It's basically like a curly it's a relaxer basically that
Speaker 1: you put like that instead of like straight. You put
Speaker 1: like rods in it so it'll be curly, but you
Speaker 1: have to keep it moist, so you're you're literally walking
Speaker 1: around with a wethead. Twenty Oh my god, we gotta
Speaker 1: see pictures, girl, Yes you do. I have a picture
Speaker 1: of me in sixth grade where like this Easter Sunday
Speaker 1: outfit and my first my first foray into public school.
Speaker 1: I did not know they did not dress up for
Speaker 1: public school, but I learned that day, and so I
Speaker 1: have a purple headband in this purple Easter Sunday outfit
Speaker 1: and my jeriker on full display. So I just remember,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I was such a tomboy, but
Speaker 1: I hated the notion of like getting my hair done.
Speaker 1: You know. It just seemed like the world was telling me,
Speaker 1: something's wrong with your hair, you have to do something
Speaker 1: with it. And I just remember being like I wish
Speaker 1: it was like I remember distinctly being like in like
Speaker 1: second grade, that I loved the Brady bunch and I
Speaker 1: always saw myself as jam because she was the second
Speaker 1: girl and I was the second girl. So I would
Speaker 1: put on turtleneck like so imagine a turtle, like the
Speaker 1: neck part goes here, but I would put it like
Speaker 1: almost like a headband, the neck part on my head
Speaker 1: and then let the rest fall, and we would walk
Speaker 1: around the house and be like, that's our hair. Like
Speaker 1: I must have been like a first and second grade
Speaker 1: and literally I just would have it swinging and say,
Speaker 1: I wish my hair swung like this, because something must
Speaker 1: be wrong with mine because it doesn't do this. And
Speaker 1: so my first memories of my hair were that it
Speaker 1: was like a nuisance and that something was wrong with
Speaker 1: it because it didn't look like Dan Brady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can so relate to that. I mean
Speaker 2: my mom sitting there trying. I remember crying, thinking and
Speaker 2: my is my mom going to live with me for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life? Am I ever going to
Speaker 2: be able to detangle my own hair? Because detangled like
Speaker 2: the pain of get you know her washing my hair
Speaker 2: in the sink and then doing the relaxer in the
Speaker 2: you know her fighting with the like the pink like
Speaker 2: should we do the pink grease? Was it called the pink?
Speaker 2: What's the pink moisturizer? Literally the pink bottle? And like
Speaker 2: the or the or the blue there was like some
Speaker 2: kind of blue gel I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yes, blue magic.
Speaker 2: And then and then I like rebelled in my teenage
Speaker 2: years just wanted to like at least be able to
Speaker 2: do my own hair, but then of course I couldn't.
Speaker 2: So there are some there are some tragic, tragic yearbook
Speaker 2: photos of me and for me, like it was I
Speaker 2: went to I think we both went to like I
Speaker 2: don't know, majority white schools.
Speaker 1: I did, right, I.
Speaker 2: Went to like several different high schools somewhere more like
Speaker 2: less diverse than others, but certainly like really white middle school.
Speaker 2: And then later my senior year really like non diverse,
Speaker 2: and I would get picked on so bad, especially by
Speaker 2: other black girls, for my hair, like you need and
Speaker 2: we were like struggling financially. Relaxers cost money. We all
Speaker 2: know that, right, Like fifty dollars to get a you know,
Speaker 2: and if you weren't able to keep touch ups, it'd
Speaker 2: be more expensive. They want like eighty dollars. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I would get I would get picked on, and I
Speaker 2: never loved my hair. I always felt like it was
Speaker 2: something to hold me back. I couldn't get it wet.
Speaker 2: Everyone had pool parties and I'd be worried about getting
Speaker 2: it wet. And my mom, Like my mom loved me,
Speaker 2: but I could tell she didn't love my hair. And
Speaker 2: that had an impact. And we've talked about it since,
Speaker 2: but it really and I feel like more women go
Speaker 2: through that too, like to feel that your mom or
Speaker 2: you're the women in your life or whoever you're with,
Speaker 2: like look at your hair as a burden. It does
Speaker 2: not make you love anything. You know, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't make you feel good about it.
Speaker 1: I will say I was at least fortunate to grow
Speaker 1: up in a house like everybody's hair was like my hair,
Speaker 1: So I didn't feel although I went to white Westfield
Speaker 1: High School and it was largely white, like nine to
Speaker 1: nine point nine to nine percent, you know. In the
Speaker 1: house there were four other little girls who had hair
Speaker 1: like mine and my mom although she had like a
Speaker 1: perm and she used to wear wigs. Sorry, Mom, I
Speaker 1: know it's like, don't play tell peop about these weeks.
Speaker 1: But like still like everything right now, you know, but
Speaker 1: like under it all, like her hair was like much.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel weird. I one thing I did I
Speaker 1: will remember is that like I, you know, after the
Speaker 1: Jerry Coro grew up, I was like mm hm, and
Speaker 1: I just started to get braids because braids started to
Speaker 1: be really popular, so we would get braids. And I
Speaker 1: played sports, and so that was like because I played
Speaker 1: like sports, like I used to run track, I played tennis.
Speaker 1: It was just easier, especially when Brandy came out when
Speaker 1: I was around fifteen. Brandy and I are the same age,
Speaker 1: so she came out she was about fourteen fifteen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. She really popularized natural
Speaker 1: hair via braids until all of us had braids. I
Speaker 1: remember microbraides, which took forever to do and put in,
Speaker 1: but it gave me this sense of like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't have to do my hair daily, but they can
Speaker 1: still look really nice. And I really like I loved
Speaker 1: that period of like of braids other than like you know,
Speaker 1: the because it was very low maintenance, other than the
Speaker 1: taking it out and putting it in. And then for
Speaker 1: some reason, I it was like because I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: play sports in college, and so I decided my I
Speaker 1: think I wanted to be like grown and sophisticated. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought it would look like. I got a
Speaker 1: palm freshman year right before college. My freshman year in college,
Speaker 1: and you know, like it just my hair was like, girl,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? At one point, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be one of those monks that only has
Speaker 1: like a little piece of ponenty out in the middle
Speaker 1: because it was eating up all of my sides the back.
Speaker 1: I went to this It was this West Indian woman.
Speaker 1: She was making a lowist I'll never forget. And I
Speaker 1: used to go to her to get my perm and
Speaker 1: I was like, and she was the one that told me,
Speaker 1: She's like, honestly, tiffany texture here is so opposed to
Speaker 1: the straight texture of the permit you're trying to achieve
Speaker 1: that you would either have to get perms so frequently
Speaker 1: that it's dangerous, or you know, like when your hair
Speaker 1: grows in, which is like this tight curl and the
Speaker 1: permit is this really straight where they're meeting. It's breaking
Speaker 1: no matter what we're doing. So she was like, girl, honestly,
Speaker 1: and this is before the natural movement, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? I took scissors. I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking, and I just cut off all of like
Speaker 1: it was just breakage everywhere. I would comb it and
Speaker 1: here it would just be on my shoulders. Hair was
Speaker 1: always everywhere, and it was devastating, Like I felt like
Speaker 1: I was going bald, and I was just like, so
Speaker 1: I just cut it. And I started this kind of
Speaker 1: like teeny weeny afro that everybody was horrified by. I mean,
Speaker 1: black women would stop me in the street and say,
Speaker 1: why would I do this to myself because it's not
Speaker 1: like now, nobody was natural, you know, like maybe with
Speaker 1: braids or whatever, but like a fro. And so I
Speaker 1: rocked a fro for years when I was I rocked
Speaker 1: a fro like I want to say, the last maybe
Speaker 1: like year in college and then beyond. That's why I
Speaker 1: met Jerreal. He used to love my little fro. He's like,
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen nobody with a frow you look.
Speaker 1: And so I love my fro. Although the fro because
Speaker 1: every hairstyle requires different products. So with braids sometimes it's itchy,
Speaker 1: so you have like these itchy hair spray things, and
Speaker 1: then you want to like, you know, you keep your
Speaker 1: like they would have you grease your scalp, you know,
Speaker 1: like the parts right, and then with a fro, like
Speaker 1: for my hair, it's so thirsty. So I was putting
Speaker 1: so much product in it just for it to not
Speaker 1: be super dry because with afro texture here, you cannot
Speaker 1: typically comb it just dry out there like you will
Speaker 1: just be yes, it's painful and you're going to see
Speaker 1: hair all over the place. So it has to be
Speaker 1: in a state of moisturization, like you have to have
Speaker 1: just least washed it. Maybe it has conditioner in it.
Speaker 1: But I used a lot of product when I had
Speaker 1: a fro, and it was a lot of work. People
Speaker 1: think that natural hair is not a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That compared it to like per so much work and
Speaker 1: so but I love that fro. I used to get
Speaker 1: twisted outs. With it, I learned all these different things
Speaker 1: to do. I would get like twist outs, I would
Speaker 1: get braid outs, I would get all these fun things.
Speaker 1: And then I want to say, maybe like four or
Speaker 1: five years into having a FRO, I really contemplated getting locks,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was just like, I think, I
Speaker 1: want to not I want the freedom of like the
Speaker 1: braids without the takedown and put in of the braids,
Speaker 1: you know. And I considered, I did a lot of
Speaker 1: research on like what kind of locks to get. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I always hated about a parm
Speaker 1: is the dryer time. Oh my gosh, the drier time.
Speaker 1: If you get a PARM, I.
Speaker 2: Can't even always wonder like, why can't you just use
Speaker 2: a blow dryer, because.
Speaker 1: Regular locks are like you twist them, like you use
Speaker 1: whatever palmade or whatever jel or whatever, and you twist
Speaker 1: them and you sit on the dryer for hours. I said,
Speaker 1: not me. And something called sister locks was just starting
Speaker 1: to gain popularity. And it's basically this inter this ancient
Speaker 1: interlocking system that was born in Africa, where you don't
Speaker 1: twist them. It's almost like backward braiding. You take the
Speaker 1: end of the lock and then you loop it through
Speaker 1: like the gap in your root, and you pull it
Speaker 1: through and so when doing that a number of times,
Speaker 1: it actually begins to braid the root, and so you
Speaker 1: never have to sit under the dryer. And they were
Speaker 1: really expensive back that I don't know or like if
Speaker 1: they're super expensive now, but to start them you anywhere
Speaker 1: from like two three hundred dollars to like five six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to start them. And so I started my
Speaker 1: sister locked journey I want to say my mid twenties,
Speaker 1: maybe I was twenty five, twenty six something like that,
Speaker 1: and I have had them ever since. Like now have
Speaker 1: you had to see me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: What'd you say? Mid back? My hair's kind of mid back,
Speaker 1: but it was longer before and I cut them to
Speaker 1: my chin and now they're back again. So I've had
Speaker 1: them like what twenty years now, maybe not twenty, maybe
Speaker 1: like fifteen, But either way, I love them, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I consider cutting them all off one day like the
Speaker 1: other day, but not the other day. But I just
Speaker 1: the other day, but I meaning like maybe a few
Speaker 1: years ago with the scissors, just because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: may we do something different, But honestly, I really I
Speaker 1: love them because I'm kind of a tombois so I'm
Speaker 1: not someone who is going to do my hair a ton,
Speaker 1: so it's like it's done. And what I love about
Speaker 1: them is locks, especially anything past ten years, you get
Speaker 1: what they call mature locks. So in the beginning, your
Speaker 1: locks are like just like basically like a braided fro,
Speaker 1: and then they start to bud, which when they get
Speaker 1: like these like they look like these fat, chunky caterpillars.
Speaker 1: You ever see people with that? And then the bud
Speaker 1: there's an awkward stage or teenage stage to locks, where
Speaker 1: like the top part is tighter, but then there are
Speaker 1: bud's at the bottom and people typically don't like that stage.
Speaker 1: You stay there for a few years and then they
Speaker 1: start to fully almost look like a braid all throughout.
Speaker 1: So I am fully mature locked. It's over ten years
Speaker 1: and as a result of them being so tightly compacted
Speaker 1: in these necks, I when I tell you, Landy, I
Speaker 1: don't put anything in my hair. I wash my hair
Speaker 1: like with shampoo. I use like a little bit of
Speaker 1: like really conditioner and that's it. Like day to day,
Speaker 1: I don't put anything because there's no space for them.
Speaker 1: It will just like kind of sit on top and I, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the easiest and like my favorite style. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I likely will ride off into the sunset
Speaker 1: with this style. But I'm in a space now where
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I love my hair. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's beautiful, and I think it's strong,
Speaker 1: and it reminds me of my great grandmother that I
Speaker 1: met one time in Nigeria, which I wish I took
Speaker 1: a picture because I remember staring at her curl pattern
Speaker 1: and thinking it looked exactly like mine. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love my hair.
Speaker 2: Now, well, I love it too.
Speaker 1: It's just you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really becomes and it's so versatile and beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I when you mentioned Brandy, I was like
Speaker 2: my hair icons when I was little were the sister
Speaker 2: sister twins Tia and to Mayow because I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: they have curly hair until the later years when they
Speaker 2: got them they all had relaxers, and then I wanted
Speaker 2: the relaxer even more when Ta and Sa Mary got
Speaker 2: it done when they straightened their curls. But that was
Speaker 2: my first inkling that maybe there could be a different
Speaker 2: life for me. But no one would ever, let me
Speaker 2: get to that point, because as soon as it grew out,
Speaker 2: it was a mess. It was nappy, it was we
Speaker 2: had it had to be. It was a problem that
Speaker 2: needed to be taken care of. Right. I wonder for
Speaker 2: you because this is called like the Dove Crown Collection.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Crown Act. Actually, I'm Dove
Speaker 2: co sponsored the Crown Act, which is not federal law yet,
Speaker 2: but it is in some several states, which basically says
Speaker 2: in the workplace because black women like we have. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many examples of people who have been and
Speaker 2: even it's written into dress codes and like schools and
Speaker 2: even some workplaces where braids locks are not considered appropriate
Speaker 2: for the workplace or for you know, in a school setting,
Speaker 2: and it's anyway. So I'm I'm so happy now that
Speaker 2: there's actual and it needs to be like written into
Speaker 2: the law. You cannot discriminate against us for our hair.
Speaker 2: And I know for me, as my career shifted from
Speaker 2: writer Mandy like I was behind the scenes writing the
Speaker 2: minute I got on camera, like when I was at
Speaker 2: Yahoo Finance in my early twenties, that that's when my
Speaker 2: confidence would just be like knocked every time I sat
Speaker 2: down in the hair and makeup room because and it
Speaker 2: would come from stylists of all different backgrounds, but they
Speaker 2: didn't really want to touch my hair. It was like
Speaker 2: can you And when I when I started to transition,
Speaker 2: which was around that time I was maybe twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six, it was, well, the curls don't
Speaker 2: look good on camera. It's fuzzy. It's like, can you
Speaker 2: get them smooth? Could they be the perfect ringlets? You know?
Speaker 2: Like cause I feel like in pop culture, if there
Speaker 2: were natural curlies, they'd be like they would be natural,
Speaker 2: but they'd be all like they would have used a
Speaker 2: curling iron or a mini curl or something to get
Speaker 2: the perfect coils, and I don't have that. Look at this,
Speaker 2: there's like a million different textures.
Speaker 1: They are the perfect coil.
Speaker 2: Some of the gurlies want to be European and have
Speaker 2: my mom's blonde straight hairs, and some of the girlies
Speaker 2: are like, we are from the western coast of Africa
Speaker 2: and we are proud of it. Like there's just a
Speaker 2: million different textures. But I'm so glad I stuck with
Speaker 2: it because it was a falling in love process. For me,
Speaker 2: it started at my temples. I could see, well, really
Speaker 2: what it started was I became too broke for New
Speaker 2: York City relaxer prices. Okay, they were like hundreds of
Speaker 2: dollars to get, you know, a relaxer from a good salon,
Speaker 2: and I just was like, I don't want to pay
Speaker 2: for that. So I would go longer and longer in between,
Speaker 2: and then I could start to see at my temple
Speaker 2: the curls, and I just stopped. I just stopped getting relaxers.
Speaker 2: And then thank God for YouTube cause you mentioned like
Speaker 2: doing the research about locks. I was researching like and
Speaker 2: I learned about protective styles band two knots. I could
Speaker 2: get a natural curl, you know, from learning how to
Speaker 2: do band two knots. And just so for all the
Speaker 2: YouTubers out there who do hair content, I'm like, thank
Speaker 2: you for providing the guidance that those of us who
Speaker 2: don't have family or loved ones who understand our hair
Speaker 2: culture or styles like that was really my education. And
Speaker 2: I rocked a little baby fro because for me, I
Speaker 2: transitioned and I would do the same. I would cut
Speaker 2: like where the because eventually it breaks. You have the
Speaker 2: curly hair and then you have the relaxed parts, and
Speaker 2: I would just cut more and more, and finally I
Speaker 2: ended up trimming it all. I think I had like
Speaker 2: three or four inches of curls at that point and
Speaker 2: that was it. I just it just was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is what it's supposed to be, and there's no
Speaker 2: looking back ever since. It just feels like part of me.
Speaker 2: And of course I think back to those years at
Speaker 2: Yahoo and I didn't I hadn't yet found my own
Speaker 2: confidence in it. I definitely would have stuck up for
Speaker 2: myself more and not have been using flat and irons.
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with flat irons and all that,
Speaker 2: but you know, for a lot longer. But I don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about it anymore. So, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Funny because I had celebrity style is like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I always come with my hair done because
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're not gonna do is play me? Yeah. Same,
Speaker 1: But every once in a while they'll be like when
Speaker 1: I went to the Jennifer Hudson's show out to their
Speaker 1: style was there, I want to say, he's Latino and
Speaker 1: at first he was like, I'm gonna do your hair.
Speaker 1: I was like it's okay, it's done, and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: but he did this beautiful braid that was so I
Speaker 1: was really impressed and he actually had some So sometimes
Speaker 1: the really kinky, curly girls, they have to decide if
Speaker 1: they're going to like lay their edges down with Jael.
Speaker 1: Like if you are watching on YouTube what you want
Speaker 1: to be, you can see that I typically don't lay
Speaker 1: my edges down with y'all. I'm my girl, this is
Speaker 1: this is my edge, get into it. But sometimes for
Speaker 1: like TV or whatever, I will give it a little smoother, slicker,
Speaker 1: you know, more quote unquote professional, just because you know
Speaker 1: that's what the people be asking for. But he so
Speaker 1: he actually put me onto like a new jeil that
Speaker 1: I had not, so I was really surprised that not
Speaker 1: only did he know about like my hair, but also
Speaker 1: products that worked, because oftentimes, because my hair is so
Speaker 1: tightly curled that most jails are like my hair laughs
Speaker 1: at are like, girl, we've bested better than you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, we put this gel in it. It was great.
Speaker 1: But I just yeah, like, now where I am now
Speaker 1: is that like I come with this assumption that you
Speaker 1: don't know how to do my hair, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: I will come my hair done. We just pray that
Speaker 1: the makeup artist knows how to do my browskin at
Speaker 1: this point thankfully. If I'm being candid, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I also like sister locks is because traditional
Speaker 1: locks are typically bigger and thicker, and they're usually when
Speaker 1: people say locks are unprofessional, that's what they mean. So
Speaker 1: if I'm being candid, sister locks was like a safer
Speaker 1: lock option, you know, meaning that like it's like it's
Speaker 1: more palatable yes to like to the you know, to
Speaker 1: to you know to in the professional space. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So I've never felt that my hair was you know, unprofessional,
Speaker 1: but because I chose these kind of like with this
Speaker 1: underlying like, ugh, let me get these skinnier locks, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like, oh she got locks, you don't.
Speaker 1: We had black power, even though I am Black power.
Speaker 1: But even like being on the cover of my book,
Speaker 1: it good with money, you know, like to be like
Speaker 1: this sister Lot girl. You should have seen when they
Speaker 1: did the cover. So Tanta Bell, who's an amazing photographer,
Speaker 1: she did like all of me and Mandy's pictures from
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition. She's done all my head shots. So Tanda
Speaker 1: took the picture and at first when the cover came back,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's not the background of the book
Speaker 1: is green, but I think like the actual background of
Speaker 1: the picture was like brown or white or whatever. So
Speaker 1: they had to cut me out, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: like cut me out so they could put me on
Speaker 1: this green background. You should have seen how they cut
Speaker 1: my hair out. It was just like it looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, just the smooth circles have a bun on
Speaker 1: my blace. Yeah, So Tanetta came in was like, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. She made them zoom in and cut around
Speaker 1: my small little So that's why, like the book looked
Speaker 1: so great because they kept the texture of what my
Speaker 1: hair actually looks like. But that's what I mean about
Speaker 1: taking the extra step, because when you it looked, the
Speaker 1: book looked didn't look as good because the initial care
Speaker 1: was not taken to ensure that the way my hair
Speaker 1: is actually shaped shows up, you know. And I'm just
Speaker 1: so grateful to that Assistan. Hey girl, you know, like
Speaker 1: stepped in and was like, no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1: Like I took this beautiful picture and part of the
Speaker 1: beauty is Tiffany's kinky curly, beautiful hair. We're going to
Speaker 1: honor that on the book cover. And so yeah, professionally,
Speaker 1: sometimes I do think about it, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: at a point now where I'm like, girl, take it
Speaker 1: or leave it, and you know, but I'm grateful that
Speaker 1: many times the places that I've been invited, people know
Speaker 1: something about my hair, or at least I know how
Speaker 1: to do it enough myself. Well, I just come like
Speaker 1: I know how to do enough myself, where like I
Speaker 1: come ready because you know, you just never know, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to take the risk.
Speaker 2: When was the first time someone tried to touch your hair?
Speaker 2: Do you remember?
Speaker 1: I remember in high school, like probably middle school, but
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember in high school that like someone came
Speaker 1: up behind me, you know. It was I had gotten
Speaker 1: braids over the weekend, and one of the girls, and
Speaker 1: I'm melanated, was like, oh my god, your hair grew
Speaker 1: so fast. And I was like, at your your own
Speaker 1: age or fourteen, I'm just gonna use it, like just
Speaker 1: a little common sense. And I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to say because I honest say, I was
Speaker 1: embarrassed because back then it was like you have fake hair.
Speaker 2: You know, and I just something to be ashamed of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just said yeah, because no one was
Speaker 1: wearing extensions then, you know, like as far as like
Speaker 1: you know, as far as I knew, like I knew,
Speaker 1: like all the black girls knew, like oh you get
Speaker 1: your you know, you get your braids or whatever. But
Speaker 1: like now like everyone black, white, Asian, everyone gets like
Speaker 1: hair extensions, but it wasn't as common. And so I
Speaker 1: remember like people always wanted to touch my braids, and
Speaker 1: I didn't have kind of like the language to tell
Speaker 1: people no. I would just be kind of like the
Speaker 1: petting zoo animal, like okay, And so like I'm all
Speaker 1: for curiosity because I too sometimes curious about somebody's hair,
Speaker 1: but to reach out and touch someone without their consent,
Speaker 1: whether it's their fuzzy sweater or their hair, is absolutely
Speaker 1: a no no. And you know, when you would think
Speaker 1: that people would have enough common sense to know you
Speaker 1: don't touch anyone for whatever reason without their consent, like
Speaker 1: you know, you just just don't. And so it's crazy
Speaker 1: now because I have my niece a Milliam and just
Speaker 1: saw them yesterday. So I called Roman and a million
Speaker 1: the crazy. So I want to go visit the crazies
Speaker 1: yesterday and Amelia had the little band two knots which
Speaker 1: were like indicative of she must have just got her
Speaker 1: hair washed yesterday, you know, and I was like, oh me, me,
Speaker 1: you got your hair wash. You could tell she was like.
Speaker 2: My life cause she won't stay on tee.
Speaker 1: I know she could tell that. She was just like
Speaker 1: she's just so she's all natural. My sister Carol, who
Speaker 1: those are her kids, they're all natural. And we tried
Speaker 1: with braids with Amelia. She just can't sit like she's
Speaker 1: still so little. She's only five, so like getting like
Speaker 1: a whole intricate braided style. She's kind of well what
Speaker 1: black folks call tenderheaded, and so like Carol does like
Speaker 1: more like afro puffs for her, so it's like not
Speaker 1: as much time sitting down. And so you know, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see like what Amelia's like hair journey will
Speaker 1: be because her texture. I was looking at it and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it looks just like
Speaker 1: my great grandmother's looks just like mine, like tightly curled.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, you know, And I just was like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's an afropuff girl.
Speaker 2: For now though, But now Mimi and all the other
Speaker 2: little girls. You got a whole aisle almost at the
Speaker 2: grocery store now of options for yourself. Like Rio, I
Speaker 2: use Shay moisture in his hair, and like Canto conditioner
Speaker 2: he's got really he's got loose curls. But I am
Speaker 2: like hyper vigilant of how I talk about my hair
Speaker 2: and his hair because I want him to love it.
Speaker 2: And I finally got him now, he says, and he
Speaker 2: loves playing in my hair. And I remember when I
Speaker 2: was little it used to hurt me because my little
Speaker 2: brother loved my mom's and my sister's hair. My sister's
Speaker 2: full white, my mom is full white, but my brother
Speaker 2: and I are both biracial. And he would just love
Speaker 2: the silky strands of my sisters and my mom's hair,
Speaker 2: and he would play, and then I would kind of feel,
Speaker 2: you know, I would be like, no one wants to play.
Speaker 2: You can't run your comb your fingers through this, like
Speaker 2: not even like you know, you would need some heavy
Speaker 2: duty equipment to do that. But Rio loves playing with
Speaker 2: my hair. He says, Mommy, you'll have flu fee. And
Speaker 2: I said, your hair is because I call it flufy,
Speaker 2: And he's like my hair flufee too, and he kind
Speaker 2: of like pats his little poof Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: him to. I'm happy for kids today because they there.
Speaker 2: I hope anyway that they can grow up loving it
Speaker 2: and really embracing the uniqueness of it. And no one's
Speaker 2: going to try to Although people do try to touch
Speaker 2: Rio's hair, I mean, I don't necessarily blame them because
Speaker 2: it's so freaking cute. No one tried to touch my
Speaker 2: hair until I started going natural, and then in the
Speaker 2: workplace it would happen, usually in the bathroom. Can I
Speaker 2: just I'm just this is so cool, Like this is great,
Speaker 2: and like I feel like as I was transitioning, that
Speaker 2: was something I had to get used to. Was now
Speaker 2: my hair. People comments on it even more, but I
Speaker 2: get so much love. It's healing to me from being
Speaker 2: and I might get a little emotional, but like it's
Speaker 2: healing from me from being. Like in middle school, dreading,
Speaker 2: like picking alternative routes. If I saw, you know, black
Speaker 2: girls walking down the hall, the same the ones who
Speaker 2: would bully me, cause I mean and black girls, like
Speaker 2: I have some of my best friends in school, I
Speaker 2: was usually you know, I gravitated toward well I gratificated
Speaker 2: Toortum in band class like all the sax players. They
Speaker 2: were like dope, Like all my friends were black. But
Speaker 2: I would still get picked on in the hallway. But
Speaker 2: now women stop me and they'll be like, I love
Speaker 2: your hair at TJ Max or at Target or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I try to do the same, because you know,
Speaker 2: I think we're all healing, We're at some I feel
Speaker 2: like every black woman you see, every woman with textured hair,
Speaker 2: you see, black, brown, whatever, there's a healing little girl
Speaker 2: inside them who's learned to love their curls. And it's
Speaker 2: because of products like Dove, of course, that make it
Speaker 2: possible that we can actually take good care of our
Speaker 2: hair and embrace it. Finally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I love too is that, like I
Speaker 1: use Dob products and not just for my hair, but
Speaker 1: for my body too, because there's there's options for sensitivity.
Speaker 1: Because I am really I've got super sensitive skin. I
Speaker 1: just can't put just anything, any product in my hair.
Speaker 1: Like I'm very product light when it comes to my
Speaker 1: you know, hair, because it's locked now. And so I
Speaker 1: love the option to be able to use products that
Speaker 1: because when you're putting products in your hair, it's not
Speaker 1: just your hair. It rolls down into your face and
Speaker 1: your body and your back. So I'm like hyper vigilant
Speaker 1: about like I just can't use just anything. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're super happy that they've decided to create a space
Speaker 1: for us to talk about our hair and our journey.
Speaker 1: So we will say that we both agree that like
Speaker 1: we're in a space with our hair. Were like girl,
Speaker 1: ten out of ten I would recommend yes.
Speaker 2: And hey, if y'all have ever, yeah, ten out of ten.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not an easy life, this life, this
Speaker 2: natural hair, this maintenance is not the easiest. But I
Speaker 2: have my go to style. This is my version of
Speaker 2: sister locks. Now it is like a pony and a
Speaker 2: big bang and just all like to do is trim
Speaker 2: it like a hedge. I haven't had a proper haircut,
Speaker 2: as you can probably tell in a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really proud, and I feel like for anyone out there,
Speaker 2: I mean I do know it still happens, like even
Speaker 2: especially if you have a public facing, like you're in
Speaker 2: front of people, the comments will come through. And like
Speaker 2: if there's anyone who wants to share if you've had
Speaker 2: experiences like that and how you've handled it, because even
Speaker 2: though it's written in law now that you can't be
Speaker 2: discriminated against because of your hair and how you wear it,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's it's also you know, illegal to
Speaker 2: pay women less than men for the same work. But yeah,
Speaker 2: hear me have the wage gap, So it's still happening,
Speaker 2: and I want to live in that place of reality.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like if you've ever had that issue,
Speaker 2: or even when you're interviewing, it's like, how do I
Speaker 2: wear my hair for an interview? Should I straighten it?
Speaker 2: You know? Should I tame it? You know for the
Speaker 2: first interview, for the first impression, that still happens. And
Speaker 2: I totally get why you have that, why you have
Speaker 2: to like go back and forth like that, And it's
Speaker 2: just like this mental burden that like other people just
Speaker 2: don't understand.
Speaker 1: You know. We'd love to hear you guys though, well,
Speaker 1: like when have you fallen? When did you fall in
Speaker 1: love with your hair? If you have, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you can tweet us dm us. We'd love some beautiful
Speaker 1: heartwarming or we have a heartwarming hair story so we
Speaker 1: can share because I think, you know, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a great episode. You got a little girly, a little
Speaker 1: curly girly for sit next to you and listen, or
Speaker 1: curly boy yeah, curly boyly. I forgot that's true. Oh thanks, y'all.
Speaker 1: I think that's our brown boost too, Like right.
Speaker 2: Love your hair, yeah, loving your hair and letting that
Speaker 2: and just falling in love with it, that relationship that
Speaker 2: you have. I'm really happy that I've gotten to a
Speaker 2: place now in my thirties where Okay, I feel like,
Speaker 2: no more hating it, just embrace it. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do hate it because a detangling process is special.
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