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Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, Hey, we're back. We're black Crown Ambition Ambition, Ambition, Ambition, Ambition,

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Speaker 1: were real quick. I'm super excited because this episode is

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Speaker 1: sponsored by Doves Haircare Crown Collections. Hey, manager, how are

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Speaker 1: you girl?

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Speaker 2: I am ironically having a bad hair day, but I

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Speaker 2: am so excited. I know, but I was upstairs, well

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Speaker 2: you know how you're like. I don't know if you know,

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Speaker 2: but I was like standing in the mirror with the scissors,

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Speaker 2: like do I trim the bangs or do I just

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Speaker 2: walk away? I chose non violence today. But yeah, so

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Speaker 2: excited to have this show sponsored by not just Duve,

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Speaker 2: but Dove's Haircare Crown Collection, which is all about the curly,

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Speaker 2: the coily, the kinky.

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Speaker 1: The way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're gonna definitely get into, i don't know,

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Speaker 2: like an in depth, like sister girl conversation about our hair,

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Speaker 2: because you can't separate. I feel like black women and

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Speaker 2: their hair in their careers, money, business, personal life. It's

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Speaker 2: just it infuses everything. So I'm gonna get a little

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Speaker 2: candid with y'all. But I haven't seen you in a while.

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Speaker 2: We had like the best beautiful brown ambition. We'll call

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Speaker 2: it a summit a self care summit. Yes, a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and then my life fell apart, like

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Speaker 2: the day after, but I feel like you saw me

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Speaker 2: on a high and then the next day just yeah,

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Speaker 2: everything kind of went downhill. But that was so nice.

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Speaker 2: I just wasn't acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just so what happened was like Mandy and

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Speaker 1: I were like, you know, I told you this is

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Speaker 1: my year of connectedness, well just in general my life

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Speaker 1: of connectedness, but this year I'm really leaning into it.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna come to wood Chester.

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Speaker 1: Maddy was like, it's actually.

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Speaker 2: Stop calling it Worchester. Are you talking that purpose at

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Speaker 2: this point?

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Speaker 1: No know that time I did, I just say, and

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Speaker 1: Mandy corrected it said like it's west Chester. Ill, So

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, I've never been here. Yes, you always crazy.

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Speaker 1: You said a whole baby where I've never met, I know,

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Speaker 1: and like a whole house. I mean, it's just a

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Speaker 1: lot has happened not I haven't seen Mandy since then,

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Speaker 1: but I have not come to where she is. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, and then she texted

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Speaker 1: me was like, let's make it. I was like, how

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Speaker 1: about Saturday? She was like how about Friday, and I

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Speaker 1: was just going to come to the house and Mandy

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Speaker 1: was like, let's actually go to a spot. I was like, girl,

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Speaker 1: say less, so went since what one? I met her

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Speaker 1: at her beautiful home. It's so crazy because Mandy's home

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Speaker 1: and my home. The decor could be cousins, right, because

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Speaker 1: it's like similar colors. Back I was like, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: can't live hea, it's so key. Her house is beautiful

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Speaker 1: and so literally like similar wall color, similar tower color.

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Speaker 1: It's just super comfy, super cozy. And so we met

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Speaker 1: up and then we went to I guess it used

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Speaker 1: a they've kind of like reframed, right, like a Chancy.

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Speaker 2: Hotel downtown is what it is. And they have a

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Speaker 2: Larry Night and I got a little because my cousin

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Speaker 2: does work there, so we him King Olmes. That's count

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Speaker 2: you know. I'm not gonna we can be transparent about that.

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Speaker 2: But I started to go there because I sneak in

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Speaker 2: and I can use the pool because this has been

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Speaker 2: a tough pregnancy and I haven't been able to walk

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Speaker 2: as much as I used to, so anyway, and then

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you do massages too, and it's

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Speaker 2: really nice. So that's my little home away from home now.

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Speaker 2: And it felt really special because I'm like, come, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Remember people's names, but I remember I said, Linda gird

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Speaker 1: we go together. What size were you were, Linda? But

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Speaker 1: Linda massides me down, hoodie. I was like, wait a

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Speaker 1: minute now it was so I got a pool together.

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Speaker 1: I know, no, it was like warmish, but that was

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Speaker 1: just so nice to just like way through the pool,

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Speaker 1: me and Manny just talking. It was just awesome. And

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Speaker 1: then we went to pick up the baby, the big baby.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had our fancy lunch ladies. Yeah, so that's right,

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Speaker 2: very delic We had lunch in a nicely beautiful Mediterranean

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Speaker 2: place in the middle of the day on a Friday. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I just feel it feels better to me when I

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Speaker 2: But I love going to an empty restaurant in between,

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Speaker 2: it was lovely. And then you finally got to meet

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Speaker 1: I know. We went to pick him up from daycare?

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Speaker 1: Is it daycare or school? Now? Is a season? We

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Speaker 1: At first, I could tell he was like, who this lady?

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Speaker 1: It took him a little while to warm up, but

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Speaker 1: what do you tell you something about me and my bestie? Yo?

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, when you say a little while,

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Speaker 1: and then just out of the blue, he was like,

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Speaker 2: My mama never seen him do that with someone he

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Speaker 2: just met. Honestly, I think that kids feed off of

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Speaker 2: I was so cute, and instantly I was like, a trick.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how it is? Mom's by trick Tiffany

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Speaker 2: into babysitting. I was like, so he's cool. You guys

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Speaker 2: right by. And I came back and y'all were in

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Speaker 2: the exact same snuggling position. Yes, we have left.

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Speaker 2: You can't ever tell my mother in law that because

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Speaker 1: Oh but it was. He was just like, so we're

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Speaker 1: friends now, actually best friends, and Molly's a friend too.

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Speaker 1: Molly was like, girl, what about me?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah you saw my Listen Molly. Molly

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Speaker 2: surprises everyone with her her girth? Is that the right word?

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Speaker 2: She photographs her face is like little, but it hides

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Speaker 2: the body. The body, YadA, YadA, yadda.

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Speaker 1: Legs and hips and body. Molly's giving a body, but

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Speaker 2: But yeah, she's a natural girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah she's she's a duels.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part was was like, and this was like

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Speaker 1: I said, this is the only thing I planned today

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Speaker 1: face lit up, like and I'm like, that's how I

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Speaker 1: want to go. But that's where I want life to go,

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Speaker 1: right that, like you connect with friends in a way

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Speaker 2: And so so it was awesome time you can I

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Speaker 2: walk around Target for a two hours. You're like, I

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Speaker 2: got enough sisters who do that to me?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't want I love it. Oh love.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Well we got to make that. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to put pressure on it, but we gotta make it. Wait,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna well, I know for sure, I'm gonna see

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Speaker 1: Where we are to see babe. Mandy blessed me with

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Speaker 2: it's in Jersey. I had been trying to get tickets

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Speaker 2: the the City thing. But my bestie Baron, who you

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Speaker 2: we agreed, the budget is fifteen hundred. I want to

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Speaker 2: cause I went to Formation the Formation tour, and I

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Speaker 2: Plus I ain't been nowhere in three years. I haven't

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Speaker 2: so long, so I deserve okay. Yeah, And so Baron

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Speaker 2: got four tickets and he said, okay, so you can

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Speaker 2: I was like, who the hell am I gonna get

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Speaker 1: You know me? I was like mmmm yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: it because both of us are typically very very very frugal,

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Speaker 1: like we're we're like legendary like b and Nady are

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Speaker 1: legendarily frugal. But what she was like, it's fourteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: I said, done, done. But that's what I love, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we're going to bring it back to

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Speaker 1: like Brian ambition and personal finance, that's what I love

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Speaker 1: about this journe is because you know, I don't spend

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Speaker 1: money on things that really don't enhance my life. So

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Speaker 1: when it comes to something like this, I have it

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Speaker 1: wearing my my my target sweatshirt and swetpants and I'm like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at us. But then when it was like fourteen tickets,

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Speaker 1: I was like, girls a less, yeah, pair of shoes.

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Speaker 2: Some people drop that on a pair of shoes, like no,

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Speaker 2: But for I just know this is going to be

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Speaker 2: so fun. Baron's got to pick out who's Poo's bringing.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, the vibe has to be right.

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Speaker 2: I need approvals. I had to get you pre approved

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Speaker 2: by Baron because like b like like Beehive, I renaissance

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Speaker 2: vibes only like we need it has to be lit

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Speaker 1: palm freshman year right before college. My freshman year in college,

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00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 1: and you know, like it just my hair was like, girl,

432
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: what are you doing? At one point, I was like,

433
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be one of those monks that only has

434
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,120
Speaker 1: like a little piece of ponenty out in the middle

435
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: because it was eating up all of my sides the back.

436
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: I went to this It was this West Indian woman.

437
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: She was making a lowist I'll never forget. And I

438
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 1: used to go to her to get my perm and

439
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 1: I was like, and she was the one that told me,

440
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: She's like, honestly, tiffany texture here is so opposed to

441
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 1: the straight texture of the permit you're trying to achieve

442
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: that you would either have to get perms so frequently

443
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: that it's dangerous, or you know, like when your hair

444
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 1: grows in, which is like this tight curl and the

445
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: permit is this really straight where they're meeting. It's breaking

446
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: no matter what we're doing. So she was like, girl, honestly,

447
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: and this is before the natural movement, and I remember thinking,

448
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? I took scissors. I

449
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking, and I just cut off all of like

450
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: it was just breakage everywhere. I would comb it and

451
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: here it would just be on my shoulders. Hair was

452
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: always everywhere, and it was devastating, Like I felt like

453
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: I was going bald, and I was just like, so

454
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: I just cut it. And I started this kind of

455
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 1: like teeny weeny afro that everybody was horrified by. I mean,

456
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 1: black women would stop me in the street and say,

457
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: why would I do this to myself because it's not

458
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: like now, nobody was natural, you know, like maybe with

459
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: braids or whatever, but like a fro. And so I

460
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: rocked a fro for years when I was I rocked

461
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: a fro like I want to say, the last maybe

462
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: like year in college and then beyond. That's why I

463
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: met Jerreal. He used to love my little fro. He's like,

464
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen nobody with a frow you look.

465
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: And so I love my fro. Although the fro because

466
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 1: every hairstyle requires different products. So with braids sometimes it's itchy,

467
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: so you have like these itchy hair spray things, and

468
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: then you want to like, you know, you keep your

469
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: like they would have you grease your scalp, you know,

470
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: like the parts right, and then with a fro, like

471
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: for my hair, it's so thirsty. So I was putting

472
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 1: so much product in it just for it to not

473
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: be super dry because with afro texture here, you cannot

474
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: typically comb it just dry out there like you will

475
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: just be yes, it's painful and you're going to see

476
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 1: hair all over the place. So it has to be

477
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 1: in a state of moisturization, like you have to have

478
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: just least washed it. Maybe it has conditioner in it.

479
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: But I used a lot of product when I had

480
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: a fro, and it was a lot of work. People

481
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: think that natural hair is not a lot of work.

482
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: That compared it to like per so much work and

483
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: so but I love that fro. I used to get

484
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: twisted outs. With it, I learned all these different things

485
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: to do. I would get like twist outs, I would

486
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: get braid outs, I would get all these fun things.

487
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: And then I want to say, maybe like four or

488
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: five years into having a FRO, I really contemplated getting locks,

489
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I was just like, I think, I

490
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: want to not I want the freedom of like the

491
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: braids without the takedown and put in of the braids,

492
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: you know. And I considered, I did a lot of

493
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: research on like what kind of locks to get. And

494
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: one of the things I always hated about a parm

495
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: is the dryer time. Oh my gosh, the drier time.

496
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: If you get a PARM, I.

497
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: Can't even always wonder like, why can't you just use

498
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 2: a blow dryer, because.

499
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: Regular locks are like you twist them, like you use

500
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: whatever palmade or whatever jel or whatever, and you twist

501
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: them and you sit on the dryer for hours. I said,

502
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: not me. And something called sister locks was just starting

503
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: to gain popularity. And it's basically this inter this ancient

504
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: interlocking system that was born in Africa, where you don't

505
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 1: twist them. It's almost like backward braiding. You take the

506
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: end of the lock and then you loop it through

507
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 1: like the gap in your root, and you pull it

508
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: through and so when doing that a number of times,

509
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: it actually begins to braid the root, and so you

510
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: never have to sit under the dryer. And they were

511
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: really expensive back that I don't know or like if

512
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: they're super expensive now, but to start them you anywhere

513
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: from like two three hundred dollars to like five six

514
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to start them. And so I started my

515
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: sister locked journey I want to say my mid twenties,

516
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: maybe I was twenty five, twenty six something like that,

517
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: and I have had them ever since. Like now have

518
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: you had to see me?

519
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: Now?

520
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: What'd you say? Mid back? My hair's kind of mid back,

521
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: but it was longer before and I cut them to

522
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: my chin and now they're back again. So I've had

523
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: them like what twenty years now, maybe not twenty, maybe

524
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: like fifteen, But either way, I love them, Like you know,

525
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: I consider cutting them all off one day like the

526
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: other day, but not the other day. But I just

527
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: the other day, but I meaning like maybe a few

528
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: years ago with the scissors, just because I was like, oh,

529
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: may we do something different, But honestly, I really I

530
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: love them because I'm kind of a tombois so I'm

531
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: not someone who is going to do my hair a ton,

532
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: so it's like it's done. And what I love about

533
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: them is locks, especially anything past ten years, you get

534
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: what they call mature locks. So in the beginning, your

535
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: locks are like just like basically like a braided fro,

536
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: and then they start to bud, which when they get

537
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: like these like they look like these fat, chunky caterpillars.

538
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: You ever see people with that? And then the bud

539
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: there's an awkward stage or teenage stage to locks, where

540
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: like the top part is tighter, but then there are

541
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: bud's at the bottom and people typically don't like that stage.

542
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: You stay there for a few years and then they

543
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: start to fully almost look like a braid all throughout.

544
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: So I am fully mature locked. It's over ten years

545
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: and as a result of them being so tightly compacted

546
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: in these necks, I when I tell you, Landy, I

547
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: don't put anything in my hair. I wash my hair

548
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: like with shampoo. I use like a little bit of

549
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: like really conditioner and that's it. Like day to day,

550
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't put anything because there's no space for them.

551
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: It will just like kind of sit on top and I, yeah,

552
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: this is the easiest and like my favorite style. Yeah,

553
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean I likely will ride off into the sunset

554
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: with this style. But I'm in a space now where

555
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I love my hair. I

556
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's beautiful, and I think it's strong,

557
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: and it reminds me of my great grandmother that I

558
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: met one time in Nigeria, which I wish I took

559
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: a picture because I remember staring at her curl pattern

560
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: and thinking it looked exactly like mine. And so, yeah,

561
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: I love my hair.

562
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: Now, well, I love it too.

563
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: It's just you.

564
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it really becomes and it's so versatile and beautiful.

565
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I when you mentioned Brandy, I was like

566
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: my hair icons when I was little were the sister

567
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: sister twins Tia and to Mayow because I was like, wait,

568
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: they have curly hair until the later years when they

569
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: got them they all had relaxers, and then I wanted

570
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: the relaxer even more when Ta and Sa Mary got

571
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: it done when they straightened their curls. But that was

572
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: my first inkling that maybe there could be a different

573
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: life for me. But no one would ever, let me

574
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: get to that point, because as soon as it grew out,

575
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: it was a mess. It was nappy, it was we

576
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: had it had to be. It was a problem that

577
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: needed to be taken care of. Right. I wonder for

578
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: you because this is called like the Dove Crown Collection.

579
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Crown Act. Actually, I'm Dove

580
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: co sponsored the Crown Act, which is not federal law yet,

581
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: but it is in some several states, which basically says

582
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: in the workplace because black women like we have. I mean,

583
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: there's so many examples of people who have been and

584
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: even it's written into dress codes and like schools and

585
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: even some workplaces where braids locks are not considered appropriate

586
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: for the workplace or for you know, in a school setting,

587
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: and it's anyway. So I'm I'm so happy now that

588
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: there's actual and it needs to be like written into

589
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: the law. You cannot discriminate against us for our hair.

590
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: And I know for me, as my career shifted from

591
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: writer Mandy like I was behind the scenes writing the

592
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: minute I got on camera, like when I was at

593
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: Yahoo Finance in my early twenties, that that's when my

594
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: confidence would just be like knocked every time I sat

595
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: down in the hair and makeup room because and it

596
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: would come from stylists of all different backgrounds, but they

597
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: didn't really want to touch my hair. It was like

598
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: can you And when I when I started to transition,

599
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: which was around that time I was maybe twenty twenty six,

600
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six, it was, well, the curls don't

601
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: look good on camera. It's fuzzy. It's like, can you

602
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: get them smooth? Could they be the perfect ringlets? You know?

603
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: Like cause I feel like in pop culture, if there

604
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: were natural curlies, they'd be like they would be natural,

605
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: but they'd be all like they would have used a

606
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: curling iron or a mini curl or something to get

607
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: the perfect coils, and I don't have that. Look at this,

608
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: there's like a million different textures.

609
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: They are the perfect coil.

610
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Some of the gurlies want to be European and have

611
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: my mom's blonde straight hairs, and some of the girlies

612
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: are like, we are from the western coast of Africa

613
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: and we are proud of it. Like there's just a

614
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: million different textures. But I'm so glad I stuck with

615
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: it because it was a falling in love process. For me,

616
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: it started at my temples. I could see, well, really

617
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: what it started was I became too broke for New

618
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: York City relaxer prices. Okay, they were like hundreds of

619
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 2: dollars to get, you know, a relaxer from a good salon,

620
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: and I just was like, I don't want to pay

621
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: for that. So I would go longer and longer in between,

622
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: and then I could start to see at my temple

623
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: the curls, and I just stopped. I just stopped getting relaxers.

624
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: And then thank God for YouTube cause you mentioned like

625
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: doing the research about locks. I was researching like and

626
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: I learned about protective styles band two knots. I could

627
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: get a natural curl, you know, from learning how to

628
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: do band two knots. And just so for all the

629
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: YouTubers out there who do hair content, I'm like, thank

630
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: you for providing the guidance that those of us who

631
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: don't have family or loved ones who understand our hair

632
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: culture or styles like that was really my education. And

633
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: I rocked a little baby fro because for me, I

634
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: transitioned and I would do the same. I would cut

635
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: like where the because eventually it breaks. You have the

636
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: curly hair and then you have the relaxed parts, and

637
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: I would just cut more and more, and finally I

638
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: ended up trimming it all. I think I had like

639
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: three or four inches of curls at that point and

640
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: that was it. I just it just was like, Oh,

641
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: this is what it's supposed to be, and there's no

642
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: looking back ever since. It just feels like part of me.

643
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: And of course I think back to those years at

644
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: Yahoo and I didn't I hadn't yet found my own

645
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: confidence in it. I definitely would have stuck up for

646
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: myself more and not have been using flat and irons.

647
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with flat irons and all that,

648
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: but you know, for a lot longer. But I don't

649
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: have to worry about it anymore. So, Yeah, it's.

650
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Funny because I had celebrity style is like I don't know.

651
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I always come with my hair done because

652
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're not gonna do is play me? Yeah. Same,

653
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: But every once in a while they'll be like when

654
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I went to the Jennifer Hudson's show out to their

655
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: style was there, I want to say, he's Latino and

656
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: at first he was like, I'm gonna do your hair.

657
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I was like it's okay, it's done, and he was like, no, no,

658
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: but he did this beautiful braid that was so I

659
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: was really impressed and he actually had some So sometimes

660
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the really kinky, curly girls, they have to decide if

661
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: they're going to like lay their edges down with Jael.

662
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Like if you are watching on YouTube what you want

663
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: to be, you can see that I typically don't lay

664
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: my edges down with y'all. I'm my girl, this is

665
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: this is my edge, get into it. But sometimes for

666
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: like TV or whatever, I will give it a little smoother, slicker,

667
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, more quote unquote professional, just because you know

668
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: that's what the people be asking for. But he so

669
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: he actually put me onto like a new jeil that

670
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I had not, so I was really surprised that not

671
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: only did he know about like my hair, but also

672
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: products that worked, because oftentimes, because my hair is so

673
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: tightly curled that most jails are like my hair laughs

674
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: at are like, girl, we've bested better than you. But yeah,

675
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: so you know, we put this gel in it. It was great.

676
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: But I just yeah, like, now where I am now

677
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: is that like I come with this assumption that you

678
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: don't know how to do my hair, and that's fine.

679
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: I will come my hair done. We just pray that

680
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: the makeup artist knows how to do my browskin at

681
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: this point thankfully. If I'm being candid, one of the

682
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: reasons why I also like sister locks is because traditional

683
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: locks are typically bigger and thicker, and they're usually when

684
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: people say locks are unprofessional, that's what they mean. So

685
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: if I'm being candid, sister locks was like a safer

686
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: lock option, you know, meaning that like it's like it's

687
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: more palatable yes to like to the you know, to

688
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: to you know to in the professional space. Yeah, you know.

689
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: So I've never felt that my hair was you know, unprofessional,

690
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: but because I chose these kind of like with this

691
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: underlying like, ugh, let me get these skinnier locks, so

692
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like, oh she got locks, you don't.

693
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: We had black power, even though I am Black power.

694
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: But even like being on the cover of my book,

695
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 1: it good with money, you know, like to be like

696
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: this sister Lot girl. You should have seen when they

697
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: did the cover. So Tanta Bell, who's an amazing photographer,

698
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: she did like all of me and Mandy's pictures from

699
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition. She's done all my head shots. So Tanda

700
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: took the picture and at first when the cover came back,

701
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, because that's not the background of the book

702
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: is green, but I think like the actual background of

703
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: the picture was like brown or white or whatever. So

704
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: they had to cut me out, you know, like you know,

705
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: like cut me out so they could put me on

706
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: this green background. You should have seen how they cut

707
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: my hair out. It was just like it looked like,

708
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, just the smooth circles have a bun on

709
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: my blace. Yeah, So Tanetta came in was like, no,

710
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: absolutely not. She made them zoom in and cut around

711
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: my small little So that's why, like the book looked

712
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: so great because they kept the texture of what my

713
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: hair actually looks like. But that's what I mean about

714
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: taking the extra step, because when you it looked, the

715
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: book looked didn't look as good because the initial care

716
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: was not taken to ensure that the way my hair

717
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: is actually shaped shows up, you know. And I'm just

718
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: so grateful to that Assistan. Hey girl, you know, like

719
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: stepped in and was like, no, we're not doing that.

720
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Like I took this beautiful picture and part of the

721
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: beauty is Tiffany's kinky curly, beautiful hair. We're going to

722
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: honor that on the book cover. And so yeah, professionally,

723
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I do think about it, but you know, I'm

724
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: at a point now where I'm like, girl, take it

725
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: or leave it, and you know, but I'm grateful that

726
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: many times the places that I've been invited, people know

727
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: something about my hair, or at least I know how

728
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: to do it enough myself. Well, I just come like

729
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I know how to do enough myself, where like I

730
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: come ready because you know, you just never know, and

731
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to take the risk.

732
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: When was the first time someone tried to touch your hair?

733
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: Do you remember?

734
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: I remember in high school, like probably middle school, but

735
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember in high school that like someone came

736
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: up behind me, you know. It was I had gotten

737
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: braids over the weekend, and one of the girls, and

738
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm melanated, was like, oh my god, your hair grew

739
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: so fast. And I was like, at your your own

740
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: age or fourteen, I'm just gonna use it, like just

741
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: a little common sense. And I was like, I didn't

742
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: know what to say because I honest say, I was

743
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: embarrassed because back then it was like you have fake hair.

744
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: You know, and I just something to be ashamed of.

745
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just said yeah, because no one was

746
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: wearing extensions then, you know, like as far as like

747
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: you know, as far as I knew, like I knew,

748
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: like all the black girls knew, like oh you get

749
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: your you know, you get your braids or whatever. But

750
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: like now like everyone black, white, Asian, everyone gets like

751
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: hair extensions, but it wasn't as common. And so I

752
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: remember like people always wanted to touch my braids, and

753
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have kind of like the language to tell

754
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: people no. I would just be kind of like the

755
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: petting zoo animal, like okay, And so like I'm all

756
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: for curiosity because I too sometimes curious about somebody's hair,

757
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: but to reach out and touch someone without their consent,

758
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: whether it's their fuzzy sweater or their hair, is absolutely

759
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: a no no. And you know, when you would think

760
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: that people would have enough common sense to know you

761
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: don't touch anyone for whatever reason without their consent, like

762
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, you just just don't. And so it's crazy

763
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: now because I have my niece a Milliam and just

764
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: saw them yesterday. So I called Roman and a million

765
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: the crazy. So I want to go visit the crazies

766
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: yesterday and Amelia had the little band two knots which

767
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: were like indicative of she must have just got her

768
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: hair washed yesterday, you know, and I was like, oh me, me,

769
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: you got your hair wash. You could tell she was like.

770
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: My life cause she won't stay on tee.

771
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I know she could tell that. She was just like

772
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: she's just so she's all natural. My sister Carol, who

773
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: those are her kids, they're all natural. And we tried

774
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: with braids with Amelia. She just can't sit like she's

775
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: still so little. She's only five, so like getting like

776
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: a whole intricate braided style. She's kind of well what

777
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: black folks call tenderheaded, and so like Carol does like

778
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: more like afro puffs for her, so it's like not

779
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: as much time sitting down. And so you know, I'm

780
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: curious to see like what Amelia's like hair journey will

781
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: be because her texture. I was looking at it and

782
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it looks just like

783
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: my great grandmother's looks just like mine, like tightly curled.

784
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, you know, And I just was like, so, yeah,

785
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: she's an afropuff girl.

786
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: For now though, But now Mimi and all the other

787
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: little girls. You got a whole aisle almost at the

788
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: grocery store now of options for yourself. Like Rio, I

789
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: use Shay moisture in his hair, and like Canto conditioner

790
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: he's got really he's got loose curls. But I am

791
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: like hyper vigilant of how I talk about my hair

792
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: and his hair because I want him to love it.

793
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: And I finally got him now, he says, and he

794
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: loves playing in my hair. And I remember when I

795
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: was little it used to hurt me because my little

796
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: brother loved my mom's and my sister's hair. My sister's

797
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: full white, my mom is full white, but my brother

798
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: and I are both biracial. And he would just love

799
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: the silky strands of my sisters and my mom's hair,

800
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: and he would play, and then I would kind of feel,

801
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, I would be like, no one wants to play.

802
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: You can't run your comb your fingers through this, like

803
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: not even like you know, you would need some heavy

804
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: duty equipment to do that. But Rio loves playing with

805
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: my hair. He says, Mommy, you'll have flu fee. And

806
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: I said, your hair is because I call it flufy,

807
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: And he's like my hair flufee too, and he kind

808
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: of like pats his little poof Yeah, I just want

809
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: him to. I'm happy for kids today because they there.

810
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: I hope anyway that they can grow up loving it

811
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: and really embracing the uniqueness of it. And no one's

812
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: going to try to Although people do try to touch

813
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Rio's hair, I mean, I don't necessarily blame them because

814
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: it's so freaking cute. No one tried to touch my

815
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: hair until I started going natural, and then in the

816
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: workplace it would happen, usually in the bathroom. Can I

817
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: just I'm just this is so cool, Like this is great,

818
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: and like I feel like as I was transitioning, that

819
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: was something I had to get used to. Was now

820
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: my hair. People comments on it even more, but I

821
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: get so much love. It's healing to me from being

822
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: and I might get a little emotional, but like it's

823
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: healing from me from being. Like in middle school, dreading,

824
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: like picking alternative routes. If I saw, you know, black

825
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: girls walking down the hall, the same the ones who

826
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: would bully me, cause I mean and black girls, like

827
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: I have some of my best friends in school, I

828
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: was usually you know, I gravitated toward well I gratificated

829
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: Toortum in band class like all the sax players. They

830
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: were like dope, Like all my friends were black. But

831
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: I would still get picked on in the hallway. But

832
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: now women stop me and they'll be like, I love

833
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: your hair at TJ Max or at Target or whatever.

834
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: And I try to do the same, because you know,

835
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: I think we're all healing, We're at some I feel

836
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: like every black woman you see, every woman with textured hair,

837
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: you see, black, brown, whatever, there's a healing little girl

838
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: inside them who's learned to love their curls. And it's

839
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: because of products like Dove, of course, that make it

840
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: possible that we can actually take good care of our

841
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: hair and embrace it. Finally.

842
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I love too is that, like I

843
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: use Dob products and not just for my hair, but

844
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: for my body too, because there's there's options for sensitivity.

845
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Because I am really I've got super sensitive skin. I

846
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: just can't put just anything, any product in my hair.

847
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm very product light when it comes to my

848
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, hair, because it's locked now. And so I

849
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: love the option to be able to use products that

850
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: because when you're putting products in your hair, it's not

851
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: just your hair. It rolls down into your face and

852
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: your body and your back. So I'm like hyper vigilant

853
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: about like I just can't use just anything. And so yeah,

854
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: we're super happy that they've decided to create a space

855
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: for us to talk about our hair and our journey.

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Speaker 1: So we will say that we both agree that like

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Speaker 1: we're in a space with our hair. Were like girl,

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Speaker 1: ten out of ten I would recommend yes.

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Speaker 2: And hey, if y'all have ever, yeah, ten out of ten.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not an easy life, this life, this

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Speaker 2: natural hair, this maintenance is not the easiest. But I

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Speaker 2: have my go to style. This is my version of

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Speaker 2: sister locks. Now it is like a pony and a

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Speaker 2: big bang and just all like to do is trim

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Speaker 2: it like a hedge. I haven't had a proper haircut,

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Speaker 2: as you can probably tell in a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm really proud, and I feel like for anyone out there,

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Speaker 2: I mean I do know it still happens, like even

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Speaker 2: especially if you have a public facing, like you're in

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Speaker 2: front of people, the comments will come through. And like

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Speaker 2: if there's anyone who wants to share if you've had

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Speaker 2: experiences like that and how you've handled it, because even

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Speaker 2: though it's written in law now that you can't be

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Speaker 2: discriminated against because of your hair and how you wear it,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's it's also you know, illegal to

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Speaker 2: pay women less than men for the same work. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: hear me have the wage gap, So it's still happening,

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Speaker 2: and I want to live in that place of reality.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like if you've ever had that issue,

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Speaker 2: or even when you're interviewing, it's like, how do I

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Speaker 2: wear my hair for an interview? Should I straighten it?

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Speaker 2: You know? Should I tame it? You know for the

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Speaker 2: first interview, for the first impression, that still happens. And

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Speaker 2: I totally get why you have that, why you have

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Speaker 2: to like go back and forth like that, And it's

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Speaker 2: just like this mental burden that like other people just

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Speaker 2: don't understand.

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Speaker 1: You know. We'd love to hear you guys though, well,

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Speaker 1: like when have you fallen? When did you fall in

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Speaker 1: love with your hair? If you have, and yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can tweet us dm us. We'd love some beautiful

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Speaker 1: heartwarming or we have a heartwarming hair story so we

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Speaker 1: can share because I think, you know, maybe this is

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Speaker 1: a great episode. You got a little girly, a little

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Speaker 1: curly girly for sit next to you and listen, or

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Speaker 1: curly boy yeah, curly boyly. I forgot that's true. Oh thanks, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I think that's our brown boost too, Like right.

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Speaker 2: Love your hair, yeah, loving your hair and letting that

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Speaker 2: and just falling in love with it, that relationship that

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Speaker 2: you have. I'm really happy that I've gotten to a

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Speaker 2: place now in my thirties where Okay, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: no more hating it, just embrace it. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I do hate it because a detangling process is special.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeay hair, yay. Thank you to for sponsoring

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Speaker 2: this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will see you guys, and next week well

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Speaker 1: we'll see you hopefully on Friday for b AQA. You've

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Speaker 1: got questions, We've got answers until next week slash Friday.

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Speaker 1: Bye y'all, Bye ba.

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Speaker 2: Fam, Hey ba fam. We could not do this show

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Speaker 2: without your support or the support of our.

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Speaker 1: Team behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: The Brown Ambission podcast is produced by Cumulus Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: It's edited by the wonderful Emani Crosby and produced by

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Speaker 2: Tanya Bustos. Dennistimplinsky is our in house tech curu and

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Speaker 2: I am Bandy Wichard Santos, your co host, and I

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Speaker 2: will see y'all next week.