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Speaker 1: Hey y'all, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Mandy B. And Baby, we are getting into
Speaker 1: all the things up first, of course, as per you,
Speaker 1: we're starting with some ignorant shit and John had quite
Speaker 1: the ignorant thought this week, and you know it. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good, and this
Speaker 1: is America. We're talking a stand your ground case where
Speaker 1: the NAACP is questioning a judge and his decisions. Then
Speaker 1: right or wrong? Are you able to curse in yo
Speaker 1: Uber because technically you the customer and ain't the customer
Speaker 1: always right? Or when you're in somebody's space, should you
Speaker 1: abide by their rules? We're getting into what's right and
Speaker 1: what's wrong. And then we're getting into the LGBTQ plus
Speaker 1: Virgin Voyage cruise that was denied entry into Turkey and
Speaker 1: Egypt because of the country's moral standards. Now we're gonna
Speaker 1: lean into the conversation of well, why do you want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where you ain't welcome? Then in celebrities
Speaker 1: say the darness things we are talking about, right message,
Speaker 1: wrong messenger. Tristan Thompson gives advice to Clay Thompson. We're
Speaker 1: talking about a white man who says that he doesn't
Speaker 1: want a black woman that looks like Lorilla and sexy red.
Speaker 1: And then Stephen, a Smith's daughter, says that she will
Speaker 1: love him from a distance, but baby, he can't come
Speaker 1: live with her. When you get old, What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on what your parents gonna do when they get old,
Speaker 1: Can they come and live with you? We might get
Speaker 1: a little toxic today. And I'm really excited because we
Speaker 1: are joined by the OG crew. Everybody's here. Let's start
Speaker 1: with my superb producers.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 1: We got journalism Jason up in Jersey joining us. Wow,
Speaker 1: you just be working. You just don't be available. You
Speaker 1: don't be bringing charges. You be leaving us mid show
Speaker 1: with a dead laptops.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to get right. You shall got my
Speaker 4: mic arm now here. I'm trying to get the studio right.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you look real legit now. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: I like I'm trying to match your vibe over there.
Speaker 3: I got lights coming.
Speaker 4: I'm be doing things soon, not the lights.
Speaker 1: No, I'm excited. We're uh trying to plan a trip.
Speaker 1: We're literally in conversations with Black Effect to get the
Speaker 1: whole team up to New York and you know, get
Speaker 1: all of us in the same room.
Speaker 3: We gotta have a group shot.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what, Now we make the trip
Speaker 1: to New York, we're gonna do the nineteen forty two.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do they too. Jason, what you'll be drinking.
Speaker 1: I do forty two.
Speaker 3: I know you would do forty two.
Speaker 1: But what do you drinking? What you what? You you
Speaker 1: be on whiskey because we didn't drink.
Speaker 4: I'm big whiskey. You are to walk, Give me a
Speaker 4: Johnny Walker and get out my way. I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: You're such a grown man, Johnny.
Speaker 3: Walker crypto.
Speaker 1: Y'all that other boys comes from none other than the
Speaker 1: O G. Pot legend. A king of the building from
Speaker 1: New York. Just landing off a flight, straight off fight
Speaker 1: with It's Chris White.
Speaker 3: T after cancel flight after you.
Speaker 1: You be dealing with, You be dealing with the airline.
Speaker 3: You know what it is? The weather.
Speaker 2: The weather is very moody right now, and you could
Speaker 2: guarantee if it's if it's flashed on warning and you
Speaker 2: got a flight to catch in New York on the
Speaker 2: East Coast, it's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You know what else I noticed too, Atlanta will be
Speaker 1: quick to ground and not let flights go out like Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know, because it's such a big fucking airport.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be that much issues. It's
Speaker 1: always something with Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing too, is what I'm now learning
Speaker 2: having these experiences is that the planes are not coming
Speaker 2: in or they're delayed from.
Speaker 3: Their origin because of the weather.
Speaker 2: So once the once they figure out two or three times,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much.
Speaker 3: You know, that's their window. That's it. Then you gotta
Speaker 3: rebook if you can rebook.
Speaker 2: In my case, I think I was supposed to come
Speaker 2: back Saturday, and there was no flights with the Green,
Speaker 2: the Green and.
Speaker 3: White until until Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Oh ship.
Speaker 3: So what I did was, oh, I didn't tell you
Speaker 3: all this part. No, oh Jay.
Speaker 2: I was in Philly. I had to go to Philly.
Speaker 2: I had to leave from Philly. I had to drive
Speaker 2: the Philly.
Speaker 1: All the way to Philly to catch a flight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to, Holy Ship, I had to.
Speaker 2: But there was nothing going out unless you wanted to
Speaker 2: pay fifteen hundred dollars a day.
Speaker 1: But probably rich Man, we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't have the points like men remix nah, but seriously,
Speaker 2: that was my only option. I was like, this is
Speaker 2: I was gonna go on. There's a new airline that
Speaker 2: leads out of the small Mark, the small airports Avello.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bellow A V e l O.
Speaker 3: I was gonna do.
Speaker 2: That, but I would have had to go to Connecticut
Speaker 2: that comes to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But I ain't gonna just that.
Speaker 1: We got ANBA anything. I am flying no new airline
Speaker 1: that thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all operate a little on the got your home,
Speaker 3: I know, but a king.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you didn't take a vellow. I just looked
Speaker 4: it up. They started as Casino Express Airlines.
Speaker 3: See you. Yeah, my brother made a good decision. Yeah
Speaker 3: that's not no, that's.
Speaker 1: Like that sounds like some mobsters just throw yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: waste management and they probably was able to cop them
Speaker 1: Spirit flight. Yeah for the fifteen thousand they were Trump
Speaker 1: was trying to bomb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no ship. That sounds yeah, that sounds like.
Speaker 1: I had a dude ask yeaheah.
Speaker 3: Pal give it to the moon and yn they get
Speaker 3: on that ship getting give it to the movie. Hey,
Speaker 3: y'all him.
Speaker 1: We got the King of adline none other than Jason
Speaker 1: joh Lee.
Speaker 3: Pod blessing all the yet niggas, what up?
Speaker 1: What up? What up?
Speaker 3: Up?
Speaker 4: Not you?
Speaker 1: I mean we what is the fit today? Because you
Speaker 1: got the mickey out? Yeah, like you want a Disney World.
Speaker 5: The fifty Day is is playful. I don't say I
Speaker 5: feel youthful in my spirit. I love that, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: What's that happening?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my big Spanish it today too.
Speaker 1: Jason, you right to have before I did, because I know,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 4: I could my eyes stopped working after a certain time
Speaker 4: of the day.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see it. But ya ya yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: big big tomorrow energy. Well let's let's tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Let's get into uh you and your ignorant thoughts, and
Speaker 1: let's let's have a little combo.
Speaker 3: Oh so yeah. So the other day I was this
Speaker 3: is a random thought.
Speaker 5: This wasn't even really sparked by anything in particular, but
Speaker 5: I was thinking about, you know, like we got this
Speaker 5: election coming up in November, the mid terms, we do
Speaker 5: twenty eight, We got a new presidential election, and we
Speaker 5: know it seems like nobody knows what's going to happen
Speaker 5: in this presidential election, right, Like we're pretty sure jd
Speaker 5: Vance is going to run for the other side, but
Speaker 5: like who else might pop out the woodwork, We don't know.
Speaker 5: We talked a little bit a few weeks ago about
Speaker 5: Kamala looks like she might be trying to dip her
Speaker 5: toe back into this thing, but like there's gonna be
Speaker 5: some unexpected things that pop up, candidates whatnot. So I
Speaker 5: was thinking like who could be the next president and
Speaker 5: not just who could be the next president, but like
Speaker 5: what minority group could become has the best chance of
Speaker 5: becoming like next Already? I feel like this is some
Speaker 5: shit that would end up on Calci or on prize pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, that.
Speaker 5: Could be six to seven you said group. Yeah, so like,
Speaker 5: is the next president going to be like a straight
Speaker 5: black woman? Is the next president going to be somebody
Speaker 5: in the LGBTQ community? Is could the next president be
Speaker 5: somebody Muslim, somebody Latino? Like what what underrepresented group could
Speaker 5: be like the dark horse to become the next president.
Speaker 4: President or the next Democrat nominee?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, that's that is a more specific question that
Speaker 5: limits the amount of people because it was like, is
Speaker 5: THEREAMI like cut his way and boot lick his way
Speaker 5: to becoming like the time Republicans on the Republican side, Right,
Speaker 5: but yeah, if if you're talking about Democrat versus Republican, yeah, Jay,
Speaker 5: I think that limits narrows the field a little bit.
Speaker 1: Ignorant. I'm gonna go ahead and just say it. A
Speaker 1: straight black woman's at the bottom of the total that's
Speaker 1: gonna be. I think I think.
Speaker 3: Hold on the last, Okay, damn, I think what.
Speaker 1: Else has the least Muslim?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I was last.
Speaker 1: I think that the country is still so ignorant to
Speaker 1: Muslim We are all still it still almost seems still
Speaker 1: very fresh from not eleven.
Speaker 2: Even here was to justify their racing ignorant take is
Speaker 2: that every day that well, not only that.
Speaker 1: I am hoping he sues the dog ship out of there.
Speaker 1: But did y'all see the recent Muslim guy whose phone
Speaker 1: just went off into the prayer, but it's one of
Speaker 1: his alarms and the flight attendant alerted. They detoured and
Speaker 1: did an emergency stop in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: If you can't actually in Atlanta, they.
Speaker 1: Did an emergency stop in Atlanta. I think they were
Speaker 1: heading to Florida. Could you look this up to see
Speaker 1: what airline it was? I hold this man sued the
Speaker 1: dog ship out of this airline. Literally it was just
Speaker 1: his phone that came off, but it was just a prayer.
Speaker 4: Southwest airlines there, we got all.
Speaker 3: Southwest airlines.
Speaker 4: Could you read what happened in this case, Jason Yes,
Speaker 4: Southwest Airlines flight traveling from Tennessee to Florida was diverted
Speaker 4: and made an emergency landing in Atlanta after a passenger's
Speaker 4: phone along arm trigger the device played the the Islamic
Speaker 4: called a prayer, which caused concern confusion among crew members.
Speaker 3: And that is the next level.
Speaker 1: And I want to say racist, but it's just ignorance ship.
Speaker 3: But I will say I will say this though.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear Tennessee to Florida, right, so let's we
Speaker 2: know the demographic of that plane.
Speaker 1: The fighters alerted and diverted the plane to an emergency landing.
Speaker 4: He l even better if if it brings you comfort.
Speaker 4: They just described it as a misunderstanding, and they didn't.
Speaker 3: I am the suit of dogs ship matilt misunderstanding?
Speaker 2: Well, why couldn't they process what that was in real
Speaker 2: time rather than having to stop the whole plane and inconvenience.
Speaker 1: Old these people ignorance?
Speaker 3: Because what you could google this ship? Oh ship, that's
Speaker 3: they're about to do the like. But but what does
Speaker 3: like if you the flight attendant and you hear Arabic prayer, like,
Speaker 3: what does that mean? Like the hot is coming? Like,
Speaker 3: what do you say because you heard Arabic words mean?
Speaker 3: Did they say what type the person? The fight attendant was?
Speaker 1: Of course white?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel I feel like it has to be.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna lie. Black people are also
Speaker 1: ignorant too, muscle.
Speaker 3: But I don't think we would. I don't think you
Speaker 3: start the point.
Speaker 5: I think I think it was black attendants. I feel
Speaker 5: like they were amongst themselves, like hey, they.
Speaker 3: Say, hey, hey, sir, can you turn that down? It'll
Speaker 3: be one of those right, we'll make it about the
Speaker 3: noise and not the prayer. Correct, So you know what, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie now talking about this Muslim is below?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: I think Muslim, how long did a long play?
Speaker 3: Two checkings? Maybe he was probably sleep And that's what
Speaker 3: the whole way.
Speaker 1: Mostly I said, Muslim is below a black woman, and
Speaker 1: then okay, tricky, here we go. I actually think I
Speaker 1: actually think that the next the the next president could
Speaker 1: be I would want to say half though I think Latino.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think they.
Speaker 1: I think if we had a president running that was
Speaker 1: maybe not even Puerto Rican because the white still don't
Speaker 1: even know that's a part of the US.
Speaker 3: But a half like like Puerto Rican. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say like a like a.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be port It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican because you can be You could be
Speaker 1: American born and be Latino from another country, right, true,
Speaker 1: like because it's just about being born in that's done
Speaker 1: camp run.
Speaker 5: Right, which is also probably why they're going so hard
Speaker 5: with birth right citizenship because.
Speaker 3: They don't they don't. They probably don't. They're trying to
Speaker 3: eliminate options.
Speaker 1: That's what it's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking of connection to the country. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: Well did I did skip the lgbt Q plus, But
Speaker 1: I will go out on a lemon, say we don't
Speaker 1: already have to gay president. He was just on the
Speaker 1: down load. Like I believe that a few of these niggas,
Speaker 1: if you even the little curls they.
Speaker 3: Was wearing back in the day, it was just it
Speaker 3: was well they say Eisenhower was like playing that game.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to.
Speaker 1: Here we go, come out and what they said about
Speaker 1: Alaho tell the people.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I thought there was I don't want to thing. Yes,
Speaker 3: there was rumors.
Speaker 1: But Amy, Dad, what you gonna do?
Speaker 4: We just questioned, do you think Trump has tendencies?
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy Trump is if if Trump was
Speaker 1: in the closet, I would one hundred percent believe he
Speaker 1: was a bottom because only because do y'all see on
Speaker 1: South Park? And maybe this is me just really believing
Speaker 1: he got that little strip dick like they show in
Speaker 1: South Park. I'm like, where is that going?
Speaker 3: I think Trump like pumpum. I don't think he's I
Speaker 3: don't I think he's like.
Speaker 2: Because if you look at like Trump his early day,
Speaker 2: like seventies and eighties, how he was very high profile
Speaker 2: celebrity in linelight.
Speaker 3: He loved women. He just be around women a lot.
Speaker 3: You never had no.
Speaker 4: But the people, the people who talk about women too much.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the red flag and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: gorgeous women, Like I love women, women, women, women.
Speaker 5: Well that's the thing about Eisenhower, right, what I was
Speaker 5: gonna say, he looked it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was trying to make sure I had this
Speaker 3: right because I didn't want to say it the wrong way.
Speaker 5: So Eisenhower, when he was in office, he purged LGBT
Speaker 5: people from federal jobs. They called it the lavender Scare,
Speaker 5: where it was like anybody who he thought was gay,
Speaker 5: rumored to be gay, thought was living in a quote
Speaker 5: unquote alternative lifestyle.
Speaker 3: He wanted all of those people purged.
Speaker 5: And it was an actual law that he signed in
Speaker 5: like the fifties, I believe about getting gay lesbian people
Speaker 5: out of the federal government. So to me, that speaks
Speaker 5: to the same thing Jay's talking about, Like, you hate
Speaker 5: gay people too much.
Speaker 3: Then you probably, like I, trying to compensate for something.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to have interactions with other people, identify,
Speaker 2: identify who might see him, and be like, eliminate.
Speaker 3: My, you know, in that community, and then he could
Speaker 3: have free ranks, right, he could do his things.
Speaker 5: So it was never confirmed, but that was always the
Speaker 5: thing that people kind of talked about.
Speaker 3: What it was, like, why are you going so hard?
Speaker 1: I do want to say there was another president with speculations,
Speaker 1: President James Buchanan. You never married and had a very
Speaker 1: close friendship with William Rufus King who also never married.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, so.
Speaker 1: You know what of the minority groups, great, great ignorant
Speaker 1: conversation too. I would say a Latino gonna take office.
Speaker 3: Off about this A Latin woman? No, so that was
Speaker 3: gonna be my next question though, think a Latin.
Speaker 2: Women because of what we've seen in terms of galviny
Speaker 2: galvanizing communities, galvanizing an agenda.
Speaker 3: What we the sample size that we have now, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I would think this is gonna be a lot of.
Speaker 5: People think AOC is gonna put her name in, So
Speaker 5: we'll see how had the spirit and the energy to
Speaker 5: go forward.
Speaker 3: To do that thing.
Speaker 5: That would be my next question is which of these
Speaker 5: could cross over? Like could we have a gay Muslim president?
Speaker 5: Could we have all due respect?
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 4: Do this.
Speaker 3: You only get.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, like like those cross streams and Muslim
Speaker 2: and gay, Yeah, there might be, but I thought that
Speaker 2: goes Christianity too, but it's gay Christians like they don't
Speaker 2: care about what the Bible says and they live their
Speaker 2: life because I've never seen I.
Speaker 1: Mean, you're not going to see a gay Muslim.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's probably they have to be out there,
Speaker 5: just the numbers that don't have to be I just
Speaker 5: never you know, I thought.
Speaker 1: There was do you be at the monsques?
Speaker 3: Not at the monque? But I've been around like, you know,
Speaker 3: you ever been a avenue Bedford?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in their bedrooms? You don't know
Speaker 1: what they do behind closed door?
Speaker 5: Like hold on there now that we're talking about that,
Speaker 5: are there any publicly out Muslim gay celebrities what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I'm really.
Speaker 3: Thinking about it now, Like damn, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they're I don't know if I could name it.
Speaker 5: Maybe over there, maybe overseas, there's people who have, you
Speaker 5: know whatever, But in America, in American society, I don't.
Speaker 5: I can't think of anybody who's openly gay and Muslim.
Speaker 1: I mean in America.
Speaker 4: A dude from a queer eye for what the guy
Speaker 4: Tom France or whatever is he is a Muslim, He's Muslim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just it says, yes, there are many
Speaker 2: gay Muslims navigated the intersection of faith and sexuality can
Speaker 2: be complext droughe to traditional interpretations. Numerous individuals to identify
Speaker 2: as both progressive organizations and welcoming communities. Exists to support
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus Muslims through social and family acceptance.
Speaker 3: Those social and family except.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna just ignorant.
Speaker 3: Ha.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're supposed to be sort of hope, but we're
Speaker 2: not saying it did. Letting us informing us that this exists. Okay,
Speaker 2: shout out.
Speaker 1: To the you know, so, then let's let's put a
Speaker 1: bow tie on this conversation with for the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight presidential election. Do we have a minority bucket candidate
Speaker 1: or is it still too early for that? I mean,
Speaker 1: clearly maybe Kamala.
Speaker 3: We do, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not Kamala or AOC. It's just gonna be
Speaker 4: white men running the table. It's definitely how I'm putting
Speaker 4: it on white men.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, because the.
Speaker 5: Way it's lining up, it sounds like it would be Kamala, AOC,
Speaker 5: Gavin Newsome and maybe jos Shapiro Jo Shapiro.
Speaker 3: Here like that, and that would probably that sounds like
Speaker 3: the most likely for that.
Speaker 1: ALC would be running for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5: I don't know if she's ready for that yet. I don't,
Speaker 5: but there's been speculation about what is she going to do.
Speaker 4: Over the time more time in Congress than Obama did
Speaker 4: when he ran.
Speaker 3: That's true, her profile is probably higher than his.
Speaker 2: She does have a higher problem than him at the time,
Speaker 2: so at the time, but we can't play tip for
Speaker 2: tat here either.
Speaker 3: It's like this is the stakes is high right now.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, it's like you
Speaker 2: got to put your biases aside and say, yo, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be locked up in cages.
Speaker 3: That's simple.
Speaker 5: Well, the question will become it's really not about the Democrats.
Speaker 5: The question would be is how many cal we're asking this,
Speaker 5: how many Republicans can we could get on this train
Speaker 5: if that was the case.
Speaker 4: But John, do you really think it's Do you think
Speaker 4: it's that versus like just getting the Democrats excited to
Speaker 4: come out, because you know, sometimes it's like they lose
Speaker 4: because of like low terms. If you want to flip
Speaker 4: a Republican as much as you'll get a Democrat to
Speaker 4: just sit home because like I imagine a lot of
Speaker 4: Democrats would sit home because they would be tired of
Speaker 4: Kamala because they're saying she did it before extension of Biden.
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to vote.
Speaker 5: Well, the question, I guess I asked that because in
Speaker 5: the era of Maga is like we saw Republicans basically
Speaker 5: like hold their nose and vote for Trump, and we
Speaker 5: saw Republicans who said, I voted for him once, I
Speaker 5: can't do it no more.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm curious at the Republicans knowledge of DeSantis and
Speaker 1: what he stands for, because if DeSantis puts his hat
Speaker 1: in the in the race, I'm really coming from a
Speaker 1: Floridian voter and what he's done at, you know, in
Speaker 1: Florida over the past. I don't know he's been there.
Speaker 3: For a little while now, but definitely over the past.
Speaker 1: But I would be very curious to know if there
Speaker 1: would be any switch within the Republican voters as to
Speaker 1: wanting to get someone probably more evil and wicked than
Speaker 1: what we have right now in office. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if people are aware that DeSantis is probably worse
Speaker 1: than Trump, if anyone can imagine somebody worse than Trump
Speaker 1: on policy and hate for He passed the He's the
Speaker 1: one that removed the critical race theory out of the schools.
Speaker 1: He passed the you can't say gay bill. He's very anti.
Speaker 5: Everything was on Disneyland to not was it? I think
Speaker 5: it was de I and yeah it might have been
Speaker 5: even been LGBTQ stuff, But he.
Speaker 1: Was aligned with marijuana being lee a lot of ship
Speaker 1: that if he came in and start just I would
Speaker 1: want you all to do y'all research on DeSantis, because baby,
Speaker 1: that is the devil and.
Speaker 4: We do not want, we do not want to go
Speaker 4: on high heels.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he on the.
Speaker 3: The criss crossy with oh yeah crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Well Andrew, Okay, now before we get to
Speaker 1: this is America this week. Hello, gotta do a double
Speaker 1: down or take it back? And you know what, this
Speaker 1: past week has been quite interesting. I do have a
Speaker 1: clip to play if you have been living under a
Speaker 1: rock and didn't hear this clip recently went viral. So
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and play the clip that got everybody's
Speaker 1: paintings in a bunch over the last week. Agree everything
Speaker 1: that you have if you're a woman that is focused
Speaker 1: on making more, having your own career, bringing your own money,
Speaker 1: absolutely I think. Okay, so this is gonna be my
Speaker 1: hot take and no shade to either. And I know
Speaker 1: I think marriage is for broke bitches, and so I
Speaker 1: think a woman who wants to be married is leaning
Speaker 1: more into the patriarchy and wants to be essentially possibly
Speaker 1: taking care of how their man is the leader. All
Speaker 1: of the ideals for me of what marriage looks like
Speaker 1: is that. So I just saw my friends recently this weekend.
Speaker 1: She like, did you want to be married? And I
Speaker 1: literally said, yeah when I was poor as a woman
Speaker 1: who can now like provide for herself, also doesn't want
Speaker 1: motherhood and also sees a lot of these celebrity women
Speaker 1: now having to continue working because they have to pay Allalony.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have even podcasters now paying Alaloni shout
Speaker 1: out to Rachel lindsay like, there's all these people that
Speaker 1: once you make a certain amount of money, if if
Speaker 1: your man doesn't, you have to pay them out. And
Speaker 1: I just don't want to say that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be that. So I listened to this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is what everyone is so up in arms about.
Speaker 1: By the way, I want to clarify something. This episode
Speaker 1: released in August of twenty twenty five. So this is
Speaker 1: a conversation regarding my views on marriage, sitting with two
Speaker 1: people who at the time did not yet have an
Speaker 1: engagement ring, but was talking about how much they both
Speaker 1: wanted to be engaged to be married. So Cammy and Weezy,
Speaker 1: both at the time of this episode, were not married,
Speaker 1: and so in a conversation with two women that want
Speaker 1: to be married, and as a woman who does not
Speaker 1: seek marriage, this was my hot take, and of course,
Speaker 1: yes the delivery was awful. Okay, but maybe it's a podcast,
Speaker 1: I gotta make it a little spicy to be fair.
Speaker 1: I genuinely am someone that didn't grow up wanting or
Speaker 1: thinking about my white dress or what venue or the
Speaker 1: ring shape that I wanted, And even now today as
Speaker 1: a woman with my own I just don't seek getting
Speaker 1: into another business arrangement. I think I've shared this plenty
Speaker 1: of times before. I think I even shared this on
Speaker 1: this specific episode of Relationship with Kemmy Crawford. I have,
Speaker 1: in my opinion experienced kind of two divorces already, of
Speaker 1: course leaving thee where said person got perpetuity and I'm
Speaker 1: still somehow attached to him all these years later. And
Speaker 1: then of course with the end of see the thing
Speaker 1: is where lawyers were involved, assets for stolen assets had
Speaker 1: to be split court and all of that got involved,
Speaker 1: that got sued after. I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, as someone who doesn't lean heavily into the church,
Speaker 1: I also don't remember if the conversation between or on
Speaker 1: that particular podcast leaned into the church either so as
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't lean heavily into religious beliefs in terms
Speaker 1: of marriage, and as someone who doesn't seek to be
Speaker 1: a trad wife, as someone who is also consuming and
Speaker 1: talking to all these girls who apparently want their bills
Speaker 1: paid on date one to me marriage. As it pertains today,
Speaker 1: the divorce rate at fifty percent is heavily due to finances,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are currently dating with finances
Speaker 1: in mind. Straight out the gate. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: this was like such the hot take that it was.
Speaker 1: I listen to this today and believe the same sentiment.
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige, Kelly Clarkson, Madonna, Wendy Williams, like the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. We are now seeing that
Speaker 1: women don't have to be defined by the amount of
Speaker 1: kids that they have, by partners, their ability to even
Speaker 1: bear children, or a man claiming them because whoop do
Speaker 1: you do? We see how y'all be out here embarrassing men,
Speaker 1: and speaking of embarrassing men, the idea that the response
Speaker 1: to this is that I am unmarriageable. I want to
Speaker 1: lean into the fact that I'm not offended that a
Speaker 1: man called me unmarriageable, but what I am offended by
Speaker 1: is that someone who is unmarried, who got denied a
Speaker 1: proposal on national TV, and someone who is prone to
Speaker 1: self sabotage calls himself a terrible friend, is emotionally stunted,
Speaker 1: is problematic, is jealous, all of these terrible adjectives to
Speaker 1: describe himself, while also someone who has made bitches feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in a room, while also being alleged to have
Speaker 1: assaulted women and other things, has the nerve tous site
Speaker 1: here and say I'm unmarriageable, as if that is the
Speaker 1: eligible bachelor that we have to consider out here in
Speaker 1: these streets. I swear to God, if my option is
Speaker 1: to be wiped up or proposed to by a man
Speaker 1: of that caliber, Jesus saved me. That's the other thing,
Speaker 1: as women, whether it's our size, whether it's our weight,
Speaker 1: our looks, whatever, the fact that a man with that
Speaker 1: type of background, with that type of history can have
Speaker 1: the nerve to hop on a microphone and shade me
Speaker 1: for what he thinks I am and how I've lived
Speaker 1: my life well. It is available in Noel's Bard, which
Speaker 1: is a New York Times bestseller. Like you, Joe, I've
Speaker 1: gone through therapy and I've sat here and made the
Speaker 1: best of my life too. Okay, I'm glad that you're
Speaker 1: no longer struggling with drugs. I'm glad that you are
Speaker 1: a better person. I'm glad that you also are out
Speaker 1: here on the GLP ones taking care of your house,
Speaker 1: making yourself a better eligible bachelor because you're still technically
Speaker 1: an eligible bachelor too, regardless of how many years you've
Speaker 1: been in relations with whomever. My issue isn't that you
Speaker 1: said I was unmarriageable. I have an issue with you
Speaker 1: leading into the fact that it's because of my wildly popular,
Speaker 1: my legacy horrible decisions as to being the reason why listen,
Speaker 1: say what you want about horrible decisions, do it. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying is nothing about what I've created is going
Speaker 1: to make me less desirable than maybe I would be
Speaker 1: to anyone who already saw me as less desirable.
Speaker 6: That also being that, being.
Speaker 1: That being the disc listen. I am blessed to have
Speaker 1: worked on myself, both inside and out. I am blessed
Speaker 1: to have been loved and as a woman, I am
Speaker 1: blessed to experience choosing my partners because they respect me
Speaker 1: and make me happy, and not being dependent on a
Speaker 1: man and so I'm sorry if it really missed the
Speaker 1: mark in my delivery. I say all of that to say,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, I am so proud to be
Speaker 1: able to say I don't want to be a mom.
Speaker 1: I don't need to be chosen by a man to
Speaker 1: have my value dictated by society, and I want more
Speaker 1: women to strive to do that. Yes, in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd be able to travel to certain
Speaker 1: countries without a man booking my ticket. That's not the
Speaker 1: case now. I didn't know I'd be able to live
Speaker 1: the way I live unless a man were to do it,
Speaker 1: because unfortunately, that is kind of what I grew up around.
Speaker 1: That's what I saw women wanting that and not my
Speaker 1: case specifically. I mean, there's deep rooted into my thoughts
Speaker 1: and views on women staying with abusive men and in
Speaker 1: terrible homes because they didn't have any other choice. You
Speaker 1: could date it back, maybe to the seventies, before women
Speaker 1: could even get a bank account without living under a
Speaker 1: man's roof. You could go back to when men needed
Speaker 1: to give dowries to me, like when literal families were
Speaker 1: pushing women to marry men they ain't even want. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch Pride and Prejudice. What I said is nothing new,
Speaker 1: and I didn't deliver it correctly. If you want to
Speaker 1: be married, go be married. But I don't believe in
Speaker 1: getting married to a man for stability, for tried wife, bullshit,
Speaker 1: for a home over your head. I am pro ladies,
Speaker 1: get it yourself. And what I'm not is for the
Speaker 1: inceels hopping on the internet telling a woman where her
Speaker 1: value is based on XYZ elemental p. There are sex workers,
Speaker 1: porn stars, felons, there's all of these buckets of people
Speaker 1: that are viewed as undesirable by society, and they're getting
Speaker 1: married every day, They're finding love every day, and I
Speaker 1: want that for them. I say all of this to
Speaker 1: say I'm doubling the fuck down on everything that I said.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking it back. And you know what, at
Speaker 1: this point, in terms of aligning myself with a man,
Speaker 1: I can do bad by myself. And I say all
Speaker 1: of that to say, here we are, Here we are.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that this is done with. And the
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say, the last thing I'll say cross signals.
Speaker 1: I don't you know what, I ain't even gonna go
Speaker 1: there I ain't even go go there, but I'll say,
Speaker 1: what a bitch I ain't never been at her motherfucking
Speaker 1: life is a liar. And anybody who know me and
Speaker 1: it pulls ass hold, it don't cross me. Anyone who's
Speaker 1: worked with me, anyone who's been my friend, anyone who's
Speaker 1: been my phe knows I ain't gotta lie, Craig. I
Speaker 1: ain't never had to lie, Crag. I swell for God.
Speaker 1: So whatever I've said in the last week, I said
Speaker 1: it with my chest and meant it because ain't nobody
Speaker 1: got a lie. Doesn't matter how long you've known me,
Speaker 1: what body changes, you see me go through, what obstacles
Speaker 1: I'd have been through.
Speaker 7: Maybe.
Speaker 1: I ain't got a lie, Craig. And on that note,
Speaker 1: let's get to this is America. Let's get into this
Speaker 1: is America baby, which is at this point just embarrasson.
Speaker 1: Let's start with this Sandior ground case. John put us
Speaker 1: up to what's happening with this NAACP case, and I'm
Speaker 1: ready to talk about it because I love a little
Speaker 1: Standiar ground case.
Speaker 5: So back in twenty twenty five, there was a shooting
Speaker 5: where a teenage boy, young man whatever, allegedly pulled out
Speaker 5: a shotgun, aimed it at a couple of some black
Speaker 5: people that were outside, and much like the other case
Speaker 5: that we talked about, like black folks retaliated, they shot
Speaker 5: back at the barbecue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the white the marine around.
Speaker 5: There's a similar situation where this guy comes along with
Speaker 5: the gun. Black people feel threatened, they fired back at him.
Speaker 5: They end up shooting him, killing him. Okay, two black
Speaker 5: men are two I guess they were teenager at the time.
Speaker 5: Jamarian Byrd and Travis Roberts Junior were eventually arrested. This
Speaker 5: is months after the incident, so they happened. Months went by,
Speaker 5: everything was whatever. Then they were arrested and got charged
Speaker 5: with first.
Speaker 1: Degree murder by the way, only because you didn't say,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to state that this took place
Speaker 1: in Florida.
Speaker 5: This did take place in Jackville, Florida, where you know
Speaker 5: this is at that point. Florida is like the hotbed
Speaker 5: of standing year ground. These cases that happened.
Speaker 2: With Trayvon Martin and all these other places like this
Speaker 2: is always the case in Florida.
Speaker 1: It was the conversation even with the uh the woman
Speaker 1: for the Netflix.
Speaker 3: Shooter Lawrence, same thing. The the best neighbor. Yeah, something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: The case, right, So these two brothers were charged with
Speaker 5: first degree murder, which already sounds crazy because first degree
Speaker 5: murder is usually about premeditation. They were defending themselves in
Speaker 5: real time, So how did they premeditate that somebody was
Speaker 5: going to come put a gun on them and they
Speaker 5: were gonna have to shoot back. So I don't understand
Speaker 5: that whole thing, but the judge in the case essentially
Speaker 5: said that you shot back too much, that they fired around,
Speaker 5: that the guy started to run away because he was
Speaker 5: getting shot at and they kept shooting. He was still
Speaker 5: holding his gun, so they probably thought, well, this guy
Speaker 5: is still a threat. He just tried to shoot at us.
Speaker 5: They kept shooting until they got it. And the judge
Speaker 5: is basically saying that when he turned around and ran off,
Speaker 5: the incident was over and you were supposed to stop shooting.
Speaker 5: And this is the thing that happened, that he was retreating.
Speaker 5: He was retreating and so and this happens a lot
Speaker 5: in cases where you're in the heat of the moment,
Speaker 5: someone's trying to kill you and you shoot because you
Speaker 5: feel under threat.
Speaker 1: While he's explaining this, can you pull up the case
Speaker 1: that's still ongoing with the the convenience store who they
Speaker 1: came out and shot the guy that they thought.
Speaker 3: So Richild there Richild case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you look that up because that's the I
Speaker 1: know him running away, right is what's happened.
Speaker 3: What's happening is right? Yes, they say that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy who rich Child shot was leaving the inding.
Speaker 5: Richild shot him in the back and rich Child with
Speaker 5: no weapon, and rich Child got acquitted. He got quitted
Speaker 5: because of.
Speaker 3: Standing his ground. He was allegedly being attacked.
Speaker 1: So the na A CP got involved in this because
Speaker 1: they felt like the judges charges are just.
Speaker 3: Too harsh, yes, and that they're misapplying.
Speaker 5: They're picking and choosing how they apply stand your grounds,
Speaker 5: and it's like in this case you slide, and the
Speaker 5: other case with these black boys, you're not letting it slide.
Speaker 5: You're saying they were supposed to stop. And like there
Speaker 5: was a case actually here with the very famous Atlantan
Speaker 5: Shakazulu had a case a few years ago, and I
Speaker 5: when that case happened, I was watching the video and
Speaker 5: I was scared for him because I'm like it wayed
Speaker 5: like it was gonna go back the way it happened
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, these guys tried to jump you.
Speaker 3: You were on the ground.
Speaker 5: Security guard came and broke up the situation, and you
Speaker 5: got off the ground and shot And it was like,
Speaker 5: I was worried that of this exact thing.
Speaker 3: Now the incident is over, security guard has come down
Speaker 3: and stopped the confrontation. You shot the kid. Anyway, how
Speaker 3: is the court going to look at that?
Speaker 5: And apparently they're too you know that was in Georgia,
Speaker 5: but apparently the court doesn't have a unified way of
Speaker 5: how to look at these cases because in some cases
Speaker 5: they'll say, oh, no, this is perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: In some cases they'll say, no, you did too much.
Speaker 3: You were supposed to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you. As someone who
Speaker 1: is like anti civilians with gun ownership, we've talked about
Speaker 1: this a lot. I think that's where it gets tricky
Speaker 1: for me because as a human being, you know how
Speaker 1: like when you go to the hospital, a doctor really
Speaker 1: can't tell you. You can't tell your pain tolerance, the
Speaker 1: pain level. It's one of those things. That's why tell
Speaker 1: me your pain rt it from what It's the same
Speaker 1: conversation we had with the Carmelo Anthony case, where how
Speaker 1: can you tell someone their life wasn't in danger in
Speaker 1: the moment or what they felt like in terms of
Speaker 1: defending their because some people could be more pussy than others.
Speaker 1: I really could have thought I was going to lose
Speaker 1: and risk my life and that my life was in danger,
Speaker 1: so I had to a gun. And unfortunately, when you
Speaker 1: look at all of the details, the people, the prosecution,
Speaker 1: the judge, the jury may not or US podcasters may
Speaker 1: not feel like you actually had to use a gun
Speaker 1: or had to use a deadly force.
Speaker 4: In this incident.
Speaker 1: And so this is tricky because at least with this one,
Speaker 1: the other person did still have a weapon. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there's so many cases where in the convenience storecase, the
Speaker 1: boy didn't even have a gun on him, right, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know where do y'all stand with this?
Speaker 5: Well, and digging into it, the the the burden of
Speaker 5: proof in this case is on the prosecution. Prosecution has
Speaker 5: to prove that it was intentional and that this person
Speaker 5: was was was not acting in self defense and the
Speaker 5: whole thing. So it gets dicey because now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: here are the facts of the case, quote unquote, and
Speaker 5: they have to make a case as to why the
Speaker 5: defense has to make a case as to why they
Speaker 5: did have to use the least man.
Speaker 3: They argue the other side.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm arguing, I don't watch enough movies. The motherfuckers
Speaker 1: could still shoot what they bet they can't like if
Speaker 1: there's a if there's a gun, if you still are
Speaker 1: holding onto a weapon, you accidentally are.
Speaker 2: Still and that's what the police would say, We're going
Speaker 2: to stop turning around and then put and put it back.
Speaker 5: And when the police say, I feared for my life
Speaker 5: A lot of times. You see it all the time
Speaker 5: in these videos. You see the dash can video or
Speaker 5: the body can video. The person is running away and
Speaker 5: they're saying, oh, he's holding a gun, holding a gun,
Speaker 5: so I had to shoot him because who knows what
Speaker 5: he was going to do next. Here, when they shot
Speaker 5: Richard Brooks in the wind, he's parking lives for the
Speaker 5: same thing.
Speaker 3: He was running away.
Speaker 5: Police said, oh, he was holding something, so I had
Speaker 5: to shoot him. And so I was felt like my
Speaker 5: life was in danger because he was still holding a weapon.
Speaker 2: How much case study is going to be involved now,
Speaker 2: because usually these cases they have some kind of president
Speaker 2: precedent and reference points where they can go in well
Speaker 2: for the defense.
Speaker 3: Particularly so it's Florida too, I just say, but it's Florida.
Speaker 2: Those people in Florida don't give no ships about this, right,
Speaker 2: So of course they're going to go this was a.
Speaker 1: White man that got shot. Yes, it is a white
Speaker 1: man like because then then, unfortunately, especially with the state
Speaker 1: of Florida is in our country, I think it becomes
Speaker 1: a part of crime is a problem.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna I think the judge did that to
Speaker 3: try to bleed the money of.
Speaker 2: The defense now because it's what you said, a first
Speaker 2: degree murder, agree murder, which seems like an old child
Speaker 2: and did the n double a CP go ahead and
Speaker 2: get them attorneys for year.
Speaker 3: That's encouraging.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's the first thing I bleed them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, double A you get behind bars? Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 5: They are fighting for you know, fairness in this situation.
Speaker 5: We don't know how it's gonna turn out. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be watching that right now really closely.
Speaker 3: They their hands.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about fairness. Uh, Jason, can you pull up
Speaker 1: the clip for this next conversation because this is where,
Speaker 1: by the way, me and a king love talking about
Speaker 1: our experiences happened in these goddamn ubers.
Speaker 5: Okay I might be ignoran. I don't know if'na be
Speaker 5: the ignorant one. Okay, I might be the ignorant.
Speaker 1: We have four people, you will have to be the tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: We want to know who's right and wrong. Here could
Speaker 1: you play this this video? Please?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Here we go, fucking man like this ship is nicle
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 8: Don't cuss.
Speaker 1: They told me to stop talking on the phone, so
Speaker 1: we can't even like. I am so silly and tired
Speaker 1: of fucking men. Now I'm about to keep pushing to
Speaker 1: make sure he's like, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: We didn't do a black women.
Speaker 9: You're supposed to protect us.
Speaker 8: You're exactly, so you're supposed to protect black women.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: You get in, you start cussing, and I said, ladies,
Speaker 2: please language please women, and we're you can turn.
Speaker 1: Out cancel the grown women? Can you after you canceled
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to pay. You're not not getting
Speaker 1: into it. Oh yeah, hold on, you're not even.
Speaker 3: In a tesla.
Speaker 1: He's driving the wrong car. No problem. So these women
Speaker 1: took to social media to share about their experience in
Speaker 1: this uper Clearly, y'all heard what happened. The Uber driver
Speaker 1: respectfully asked them not to curse in their car, and
Speaker 1: they turned it into misogyny and patriarchy. Baby, But want
Speaker 1: to know y'all thoughts on this clearly not how they responded.
Speaker 1: We know the girls here are wrong. None.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here we got fuck that nigga and his car.
Speaker 3: Drive the car. Nigga, I pay you to drive the car.
Speaker 3: Drive the car.
Speaker 5: Just tell me where I gotta go. Like, I get it,
Speaker 5: it's your personal vehicle. But you signed up to be
Speaker 5: an Uber driver.
Speaker 3: Just drive the car. What I'm talking about, Me and
Speaker 3: a conversation were in the backseat saying whatever we're.
Speaker 5: Saying to each other, that's our business. All you got
Speaker 5: to do is get us to our destination and get
Speaker 5: your money.
Speaker 3: Who the fuck is you?
Speaker 1: Do you say that when you walk to the front
Speaker 1: door of an establishment and they present you a dress code,
Speaker 1: they tell you you can't wear something because this is
Speaker 1: their establishment. We are not.
Speaker 4: I think this is more like I would compare this
Speaker 4: more to like you renting your own hotel room and
Speaker 4: you could do whatever the fuck you want to do,
Speaker 4: And that's not what this.
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I disagree with if you're like
Speaker 1: maybe because none of us are ubers when people come
Speaker 1: into our vehicles. I remember when I had a car.
Speaker 1: If my friends got into my car, even though I'm driving, baby,
Speaker 1: you can't eating my ship. You're not gonna smoke cigarettes
Speaker 1: in my car. This is my car and you're driving
Speaker 1: around in.
Speaker 4: It, right, because you're preventing But in that case, you're
Speaker 4: trying to prevent damage to your car.
Speaker 1: Correct, But also okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: In your instance, you're you're trying to prevent damage. He's
Speaker 4: trying to police behavior.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I'm not with you, yeah, yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 3: if you like, if you if you're.
Speaker 5: A super hype and you don't want to be around
Speaker 5: vulgar language or whatever, put in your air pods and
Speaker 5: listen to Kirk Franklins.
Speaker 3: We get the fuck out the car, but don't talk
Speaker 3: to me about what I'm saying back. You can say
Speaker 3: whatever the fun. I'm not cursing at you now.
Speaker 5: If I was abusing the driver again, by all means, okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't curse at me, don't you know whatever. But
Speaker 5: I'm talking to my friend in the backseat, and I
Speaker 5: said fuck and you're like a language please, who are
Speaker 5: you nigga?
Speaker 2: Like sound like they say way more thing then.
Speaker 1: Talk about sucking dick and eating ass. But if my
Speaker 1: you know, I dont no. But if my Uber driver
Speaker 1: was like, hey, respectfully, can you not have that conversation
Speaker 1: in my car, I don't think I'm gonna over it,
Speaker 1: like understood. I hold the conversation till I get.
Speaker 3: Out my only see look.
Speaker 1: At y'all, y'all don't want I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Uber drivers and you don't want
Speaker 3: to respect them, I don't think that. I don't. It's
Speaker 3: not his space.
Speaker 4: They're literally renting.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, service is a car ride, but you're
Speaker 1: still in somebody when you go and eat it somebody's restaurant,
Speaker 1: it's their restaurant.
Speaker 4: Yes, a restaurant is a public space. That's like a bus.
Speaker 4: That's like comparing a bus to a private car. To me,
Speaker 4: it's different like the exchanges. They've rented out the space.
Speaker 4: They could say whatever they want as long as they're
Speaker 4: not damaging his vehicle. The confines of that car is
Speaker 4: their space for the ride. If they want to curse,
Speaker 4: if they want to take a phone call. If they
Speaker 4: just want to be quiet, it's all them.
Speaker 3: But see, the thing is right, so one I'm giving
Speaker 3: them one star.
Speaker 1: Because for these bitches bumbell, I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving them No, I'm not giving them bum
Speaker 2: bail because at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 2: what's that question here?
Speaker 3: What decency? Yes, that's it. Nobody the ober driver.
Speaker 2: No ober driver is supposed to police anything, right, They're
Speaker 2: just supposed to get you to your destination safely.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: However, it's still which is not in the print or
Speaker 2: the term of condition.
Speaker 3: This is just a moral value. Why you got to
Speaker 3: do all of that? Calling Aaron kemp.
Speaker 2: Care curse in public all the time you go anywhere
Speaker 2: at the Hawks game.
Speaker 3: Whatever the elders I have, would you vehement for all
Speaker 3: kinds of sons of bitches in front of an elder.
Speaker 5: If I'm looking at an old woman, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: say anything. You would say, oh my bad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Let me carry myself because of decency. If we're in public,
Speaker 5: I'm just talking and anyone who's around me hearing me talk,
Speaker 5: can hear the words I say?
Speaker 3: Get away?
Speaker 1: We take when we take ubers. We asked them to
Speaker 1: turn down the radio. I ask scuber drivers, hey, can
Speaker 1: you get off the phone?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, because I'm the boss now. But there's an
Speaker 3: exchange of because you want decency. So this to me,
Speaker 3: and I know those girls on right cursive go ahead?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 3: They don't they're talking. They don't know how to express
Speaker 3: motherfucking bitchy.
Speaker 4: That behavior was if you're if you're if you're in
Speaker 4: an uber and you say can you turn that down?
Speaker 4: And they say no, this is my car, my space.
Speaker 4: Are you gonna Are you gonna knock them on their stars?
Speaker 1: No, I'm knocking their stars down.
Speaker 3: Most likely they won't do that though, No, Mandy.
Speaker 4: So for you, when you get in an uber, who
Speaker 4: ultimately who's in charge? Because you said earlier the customer
Speaker 4: is right, So if you're in the uber, who's in
Speaker 4: charge you or the driver?
Speaker 1: I think there's an equal balance of an exchange.
Speaker 7: No you.
Speaker 3: Even it changed these nuts. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this the same way. I'll be
Speaker 1: tricky on who the hell is out here owning guns.
Speaker 1: What I'm not gonna do is get snippy with someone
Speaker 1: who has my life in their hands. When someone is
Speaker 1: behind goddamn will to be very clear, they run ship,
Speaker 1: they could speed up, they could fucking crash this bitch.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And honestly, the way I'll be talking to these super drivers,
Speaker 1: their lives be hard. Man went through the lives being hard.
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here trying to have any sort of
Speaker 1: turmoil or chaos with someone who has my life in
Speaker 1: their hands. Are we kidding me?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Hello, Well, if their life is so hard, they should
Speaker 5: do themselves a favorite and make it easy and shut
Speaker 5: the fuck up and drive the car.
Speaker 3: Well, way is not hard. No more to do his drive,
Speaker 3: but you got to do nothing else. Just drive the
Speaker 3: car and shut the fuck up and everything can be okay.
Speaker 3: He'd be saying the Uber driver was being respectful. He wasn't.
Speaker 2: He wasn't full, and they had they took note of it,
Speaker 2: not trying to do all that lie.
Speaker 3: Decency.
Speaker 2: I know he shouldn't plea It shouldn't have got to
Speaker 2: that point. They should have been the I'm assuming the
Speaker 2: adults right though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what if he started, we don't even by the way,
Speaker 4: we don't know how he started. He could have said, ladies,
Speaker 4: watch your tone. He could have used all the triggering
Speaker 4: language of ladies or watch that he could have said, ladies,
Speaker 4: let's be respectful of yourself.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I do believe they didn't do that because you heard
Speaker 2: you're supposed to protect us a black woman.
Speaker 3: You heard that, right? Yeah, he sounds like Israel nigga.
Speaker 1: The girl.
Speaker 3: The girl said that, the girl, but he's he sounds
Speaker 3: like one of the niggas that be like now, black queens,
Speaker 3: y'all are supposed to be. Y'all was supposed to be classy,
Speaker 3: young ladies. You're not acting like a class class her
Speaker 3: whole big shut up?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: So wait a second, everybody get it one story.
Speaker 1: Let's both he.
Speaker 3: Who is right here?
Speaker 1: Is it the passenger or the driver?
Speaker 2: King?
Speaker 1: I think the who's right here?
Speaker 3: Who's right?
Speaker 1: Who's right? Who's in the right?
Speaker 3: They're both in the right.
Speaker 1: Who's in the wrong.
Speaker 3: That's what I see what you did? We girls are wrong,
Speaker 3: the girl. Girls are wrong for not being Who's wrong?
Speaker 3: The driver? Uh?
Speaker 1: Jason, who's wrong? The driver? I say, the girls are wrong?
Speaker 1: D We're coming to you, damn the driver was? I
Speaker 1: need to know what the discord, y'all?
Speaker 2: I think they tell you why This is triggering for
Speaker 2: them because they all did that ships.
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna take triggering because it didn't happen to me.
Speaker 3: There was a case. This was last year, I think
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, of course where there was it was this time.
Speaker 5: It was two black women talking about So. The woman
Speaker 5: got picked up from the airport. She had long days,
Speaker 5: fucked up whatever. She had her window cracked or something
Speaker 5: like that. Oh no, no, she wanted the air on.
Speaker 3: That's what it was.
Speaker 5: The driver had the window cracked. It's fucking July in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: It's hot as ship. The passenger asked the driver, Hey,
Speaker 5: can you roll the window up? No me, No, like
Speaker 5: it's hot in here. I just want to get some air. No,
Speaker 5: because something about I don't know if she was trying
Speaker 5: to prevent a smell or air out.
Speaker 3: Of car, whatever it was, she said no.
Speaker 5: So they get into a beef and the driver stops
Speaker 5: the car like on the exit, like on a highway,
Speaker 5: pulls over.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, this is over, get out of my car.
Speaker 2: And people in the comment section with saying exactly what
Speaker 2: you're saying, include to some of my homegirls, It's.
Speaker 3: Like that's their car. They can do. You can't tell
Speaker 3: nobody how to run their car. No, you're an uber driver.
Speaker 3: It is your car. But you're an Uber drive.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna put me out on the side of
Speaker 5: the highway because I'm asking you to do something that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a car to uber drive, cause nigga,
Speaker 1: you're getting out my ship. I'm ending this ride right
Speaker 1: the fuck now. But you ship the same way. If
Speaker 1: I feel disrespected in my house, I'm gonna kick you out.
Speaker 1: If I feel disrespected and what is mine? You do
Speaker 1: not get to disrespect people, and they ship and so
Speaker 1: the same way when it comes to like, like, bro,
Speaker 1: what I be seeing right now and on on, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: my algorithm is all over the goddamn But there's like
Speaker 1: right now, these y ns fucked up this airbnb like tragic,
Speaker 1: and people are like, well that you better have insurance
Speaker 1: because you're right yourse, Like there's the.
Speaker 3: Wast a whole.
Speaker 1: There's a way that we as people over decency. Decency
Speaker 1: is so important that you don't get to be indecent
Speaker 1: when you're in the private also space of someone else.
Speaker 1: So I think back to Jason's uh state this, these
Speaker 1: aren't public spaces with rules, These are private spaces. And
Speaker 1: what do private companies and private schools all get to
Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck they want to do. So, nigga,
Speaker 1: get the fuck out my car. If you don't have
Speaker 1: the decency to respect me in my ship, you here
Speaker 1: your luggage, You get the fuck out. You got me
Speaker 1: fucked up.
Speaker 4: This clip, y'all talking about the Santists and y'all talking
Speaker 4: about jd Vance and put it together.
Speaker 2: Would fully Agreegan, would fully agree this topic.
Speaker 1: We're going to the next one.
Speaker 2: I ain't taking jobbers. You don't put me in a way.
Speaker 1: Problem.
Speaker 5: We don't have a fucking robot having us around run
Speaker 5: off the road about the ship.
Speaker 1: All right, So this one we do have a clip, Jason,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk. Oh, this is gonna be fun too,
Speaker 1: because this leads into moral standards and people wanted to
Speaker 1: go with they are not welcome.
Speaker 3: Welcome out. That's how I fliped. Now, that's how flip.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we did these back to back. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You can play the clip for this one. The Turkish
Speaker 1: government band travelers from jocking because of quote moral standards.
Speaker 3: At least a thousand Americans are on board, including passengers
Speaker 3: from South Florida.
Speaker 8: Thomas Barker is from Miami. The ten day trip was
Speaker 8: a gift to him from his husband, And so.
Speaker 10: There are thousands of men who come to the ship
Speaker 10: to celebrate UH and to feel free to be who
Speaker 10: we are without any fear of homophobia, or to be
Speaker 10: able to be ourselves in that public space.
Speaker 8: But that freedom of expression was challenged when the ship
Speaker 8: tried docking in Turkey. The government unexpectedly denied the ship
Speaker 8: entry because of what they call moral standards. Authorities posted
Speaker 8: this online translated in English, it says, a cruise ship
Speaker 8: chartered by a group known for behavior that does not
Speaker 8: align with the values and moral standards of our society
Speaker 8: and that had generated significant concern among various segments of
Speaker 8: the public, has been canceled. It is absolutely out of
Speaker 8: the question that this group will come to our province
Speaker 8: for such an event.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what's.
Speaker 10: Really disappointing is that we spend a lot of our
Speaker 10: times is gay people really trying to find safe spaces,
Speaker 10: and going on this cruise spaces about as safe as
Speaker 10: it's supposed to get, right, And we were excited to
Speaker 10: go to new places and potentially experience that safe space
Speaker 10: in places like Turkey and in Egypt, where it is
Speaker 10: obviously very difficult to be a gay person in those countries.
Speaker 8: The cruise who has been rerouted to Egypt, but at
Speaker 8: the last minute the port was also canceled without any explanation.
Speaker 10: We thought that it would be a great opportunity for
Speaker 10: those people in those countries, also experiences in the rest
Speaker 10: of the world where people can be free and be celebrated.
Speaker 3: For who they are.
Speaker 8: In a statement, Atlantis Events said in part, they hope
Speaker 8: this is an isolated incident and to return in the future.
Speaker 8: They also hope Egypt and Turkey will welcome all guests
Speaker 8: without conditions, all prejudiced.
Speaker 10: I think it's definitely sort of taking a bit of
Speaker 10: a magic away if you can, if I can explain
Speaker 10: it in that way, because it started off with such
Speaker 10: a high and everyone being so excited to be together
Speaker 10: and see people.
Speaker 3: Nope, so look, I love it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Look, I haven't been to Saudi Arabia. I would love to,
Speaker 2: but I know that there's certain things you cannot do.
Speaker 2: It's not acceptable. So weed, for instance, you can't get
Speaker 2: caught with weed out there. You can yeah, a year minimum, right,
Speaker 2: they know they try to move the gold they try
Speaker 2: to move. Well, yes, so they try to move the
Speaker 2: gold post and try to do reform in real time.
Speaker 2: My question is how did they know. Did they have
Speaker 2: a manifest and said, okay, what.
Speaker 1: Does the LGBT cube boy like the right was getting so.
Speaker 2: So they thought that they was going to do some
Speaker 2: activism with a whole country that's been doing this shit
Speaker 2: for forever since the inception of the decade, since the
Speaker 2: inception of with the other country.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, especially with the World
Speaker 1: Cup ending. So the last World Cup took place in
Speaker 1: cutter and there was a whole conversation about this because
Speaker 1: they were refusing people to wear rainbow flag in lgbt
Speaker 1: Qia because of course.
Speaker 3: Pride is not sat.
Speaker 1: And this is the ignorance of Americans to believe that
Speaker 1: they can just go into these other countries and be
Speaker 1: full American in these countries that don't allow. It's the
Speaker 1: same conversation we had about Brittany Grehner. Baby, you can't
Speaker 1: just be having bape pins brought into other countries when
Speaker 1: there's rules against fucking bapes or THHC. Or the same
Speaker 1: way our sexuality is kind of even, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of dictated here. It's ten twenty thirty times more.
Speaker 1: In these other countries, you cannot be openly gay. When
Speaker 1: I went to uh I went to to cutter maybe
Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago with one of my partners, and
Speaker 1: he literally had to pay the front desk because we
Speaker 1: were not married. We couldn't stay in the same room together.
Speaker 1: When we went out to the clubs, we couldn't dance
Speaker 1: on each other. There was a respect that we had
Speaker 1: to adhere to in another country, because that's how the fuck.
Speaker 3: No, it's not respect. Your niggas ain't want to go
Speaker 3: to jail how long.
Speaker 2: It's not respect respect, But respect is not under the
Speaker 2: threat of fucking persecution, death or imprisonment.
Speaker 3: That's not respect. That's just a nigga.
Speaker 5: I don't want to die here, so I'm gonna keep
Speaker 5: my hands.
Speaker 1: But at the same time too, hearing him talk, Bro,
Speaker 1: if you know that Turkey and Egypt are both anti
Speaker 1: gay essentially, right, you do it? Why the fuck do
Speaker 1: you want to go parade yourself not gonna welcome you.
Speaker 5: Hold on, they didn't do anything the cruise. They don't
Speaker 5: dictate where the cruise go.
Speaker 3: They get on the cruise knowing where the cruise is
Speaker 3: going sure, but the cruise ship knows that too.
Speaker 5: So if the cruise ship knows, hey, we're gonna have
Speaker 5: this cruise, we're gonna invite folks on there, We're gonna
Speaker 5: go to these places.
Speaker 3: Hey, why did you take them there?
Speaker 5: If it was gonna be a big deal B To me,
Speaker 5: it suggests that this cruise ship has probably been there
Speaker 5: before and done the same thing before. Now all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, it's a problem. See, these are just gay
Speaker 5: people all within these countries. And so what is Turkey
Speaker 5: in Egypt saying, oh, because we can tell that.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can tell this is a
Speaker 3: gay cruise, but we can tell.
Speaker 1: This, so probably like that. I do want to add
Speaker 1: that this particular cruise has successfully docked LGBTQ cruises in
Speaker 1: Istanbul thirteen times. Yeah, twenty five years.
Speaker 3: That's what I figured. Okay, just like with our country.
Speaker 1: Though, you know what happens. New people get in fucking seats,
Speaker 1: New people get in control, New people come in and
Speaker 1: say what's gonna happen and what ain't gona happen. Look
Speaker 1: at all the things that we had to deal with
Speaker 1: with FIFA coming like coming into America, this year, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, But the difference is nobody here thought that
Speaker 5: that shit made any sense. Nobody here thought, oh, we're
Speaker 5: at war were Iran? So ye had Iranian shit fly
Speaker 5: to Mexico and then fly back to Seattle every game.
Speaker 5: Nobody here was like, oh, these people aren't allowed in
Speaker 5: here because we have this beef, and of course we
Speaker 5: can't because we're American, and that's what we say. No,
Speaker 5: we said, everyone said that's some fuck shit. Why y'all
Speaker 5: fucking with these people? And that's what I'm saying about here.
Speaker 1: Everyone, well, very clear. Everyone did not say.
Speaker 5: People with good sense, people will get in politics, said
Speaker 5: that this is fucked up, while y'all doing these people
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing here. I get that these.
Speaker 5: Countries don't fuck with homosexuality or anything like that, but
Speaker 5: this idea that they're picking and choosing, Oh this this
Speaker 5: ship is pink.
Speaker 3: We must be some gay people on that ship. We're
Speaker 3: not gonna let me do this guy.
Speaker 1: This makes me think of like a black person going
Speaker 1: to Argentina and then coming back complaining that he was
Speaker 1: treated with racism or that he was discriminated against. Hebe
Speaker 1: you took your ass to Argentina.
Speaker 3: And like, I'm kind of black though.
Speaker 5: If I go to a bar in America in the
Speaker 5: wrong red neck ass town and I walk in there
Speaker 5: and there and everybody's looking at me, like what are
Speaker 5: you doing here?
Speaker 3: Boy, I'm gonna order more drinks.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm gonna see that was gonna Now it's
Speaker 2: going to be a party at olck in a sundowntown
Speaker 2: Nigga you walking around, I know, but a but but
Speaker 2: I order you know, white right there, right there, this
Speaker 2: is I'm ordering. I'm ordering South. He wouldn't do something.
Speaker 3: Now we're ordering ordering.
Speaker 5: We're ordering michelob light for everybody in this bitch. Now, now,
Speaker 5: let me let me ask you. Let me ask you
Speaker 5: not running me out.
Speaker 1: Of enough, Jason, as the resident Latina here, I don't
Speaker 1: do femino and mascolino.
Speaker 3: And masculino as.
Speaker 4: You do.
Speaker 1: You and your community had these conversations about where you're
Speaker 1: accepted or not accepted, Like, are these conversations to that
Speaker 1: that you have with your peers?
Speaker 4: Well, last time I hit the group text, I was
Speaker 4: talking to them about this conversation. No, I mean, I
Speaker 4: think to Job's point, like he's saying it kind of correctly,
Speaker 4: like you have a sense of where you're welcome and
Speaker 4: not welcome, and some people like to challenge that, right
Speaker 4: and so you might get your uber driver saying, sir,
Speaker 4: stop using that language.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's that case.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up the point about like they've
Speaker 4: successfully done this before in the past, but the seats
Speaker 4: have changed, because that's really the thing that's been initiating
Speaker 4: this is the seats have changed. So it's like the
Speaker 4: community can kind of feel a certain way. But I
Speaker 4: actually feel like it's a theme throughout this episode, like
Speaker 4: with the Muslim in the air line, with the standard ground.
Speaker 4: With this, there's there's other there's other people who are
Speaker 4: dictating towards us, our behavior and what's acceptable, and they're
Speaker 4: deciding subjectively what's okay for us or not.
Speaker 5: But the thing I guess I have a question about
Speaker 5: is even with the seats thing, right, like, it ain't
Speaker 5: like Egypt or Turkey has ever been run by the
Speaker 5: fucking Democratic Socialists of America.
Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes there's hardliners, right Like, sometimes there's
Speaker 4: like more traditionalists, like Muslim hardliners who they'll follow it
Speaker 4: to the t by the Quran. And then sometimes there's
Speaker 4: other people who it's less like based on religion and
Speaker 4: more based on like power. Right, so like right now
Speaker 4: there's just a group of people on power who are
Speaker 4: like hardline religious sect and what they say is like,
Speaker 4: this is how the book goes, and it's that it's.
Speaker 5: Giving that they have a closeted Eisenhower running the show
Speaker 5: over there, and they've decided they've decided to have a
Speaker 5: lavender scare in Turkey in Egypt because now all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, well they don't want to be outed for
Speaker 5: their bullshit.
Speaker 2: Okay, they're probably aligned with that ideology, the mega megaology,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So, oh yeah, Magga is definitely global. I think people
Speaker 5: should start to understand that too. Like this idea what's
Speaker 5: going on here is not limited to America. There's lots
Speaker 5: of other world leaders who feel.
Speaker 4: Exactly Turky is a part of that. It's like Turkey, Italy, Yeah, Italy,
Speaker 4: like the populace, right, the populace who are.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's there's certain countries within the African continent.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can look it up. I
Speaker 1: think you Ganda, is one of them. But there's certain
Speaker 1: countries that also will kill you if you are gay.
Speaker 1: You cannot be open about it. There's like you will
Speaker 1: be imprisoned. I think, if I'm not mistaken, Ghana was
Speaker 1: one of those as well. Ended up looking into that.
Speaker 1: When we were in Ghana, like, bitch, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we could be dancing on each other out here, girl,
Speaker 1: we ain't fing to go to jail because they might
Speaker 1: think were bumping coucies.
Speaker 4: So like the Cameroon, I.
Speaker 5: Think Lgeria might even be on that as well, where
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you know what, it's going to be
Speaker 5: a problem out here.
Speaker 1: And so to me, yes, I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: we've luckily been a part of a country that only
Speaker 1: also by certain states, allow.
Speaker 3: You to be did right.
Speaker 1: It's not even a federally mid rated acceptance here in
Speaker 1: this country. So you know, the same way some states
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get abortions, some not. Some
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get married as a gay person,
Speaker 1: You're not. When you travel abroad, you can't think that
Speaker 1: all of your beliefs in the way that you exist
Speaker 1: is going to be accepted. It's just literally the American
Speaker 1: ignorant way of fucking thinking.
Speaker 3: Why do you get I guess what it is for me.
Speaker 5: I'm never going like, if there's a situation like that
Speaker 5: where there is like, Okay, this is how they get down,
Speaker 5: this is how we get down.
Speaker 3: I'm never going to.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm not wanting to really capitulate to the wrong
Speaker 5: side of it. I don't care if that's your morals,
Speaker 5: in your standards, I don't care.
Speaker 3: If you're wrong, you're wrong.
Speaker 5: And so that's what probably makes me ignorant because I'm
Speaker 5: trying to fuck up your shit. Yes, oh I I'm
Speaker 5: trying to make a scene of your bullshit standard, of
Speaker 5: your bullshit rules.
Speaker 3: Like I'm that guy.
Speaker 1: Now fuck that. Take me back to twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when I was a solid two twenty. The
Speaker 1: meatpacking district, the white clubs, the upscale places in New
Speaker 1: York did not welcome me. I was charged at the door.
Speaker 1: Same for LA. There's certain places that as a black
Speaker 1: woman of a certain size, I was not welcome into spaces.
Speaker 1: I got treated poorly at the door. When I tell you,
Speaker 1: as soon as I did not feel welcomed, y'all will
Speaker 1: never get my fucking money, y'all will never see me again.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I have never been a person
Speaker 1: who felt the need to go to spaces or feel
Speaker 1: like I had to be in spaces where I was
Speaker 1: not welcomed. And as someone black and someone thick and big, listen,
Speaker 1: as a woman, certain places it becomes hard to get
Speaker 1: into if you don't look a certain way. And when
Speaker 1: I tell you, once I realized that place didn't want
Speaker 1: me in there, I don't want to be in here.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know I go ahead and touch
Speaker 1: your gun, wave it around and bottom shots in the
Speaker 1: Sundowntown Listen, listen. Well, let's get into for celebrities say
Speaker 1: the darnest things. We're gonna lean into possible right message,
Speaker 1: wrong messinger. Now we'll start off with Tristan Thompson, who
Speaker 1: gave the advice to Clay to just be quiet, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people felt like he was the wrong
Speaker 1: messenger for this advice in terms of Clay actually coming
Speaker 1: out and finally responding to the cheating allegations from megde Sallion.
Speaker 1: He's also someone who has not stayed quiet. We just
Speaker 1: talked about him not too long ago, sitting with Chloe
Speaker 1: Kardashian and explaining, you know, his bullshit. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask, y'all, and I wanted to have fun with this.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if there are any celebrities that
Speaker 1: could say something that sounded right, but because of who
Speaker 1: they are and where they've leaned into, we just don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it from them, even if they're right.
Speaker 1: So like, for example, say Kim Kardashian talking about climate change, Babe,
Speaker 1: we saw you cry over that diamond that fell into
Speaker 1: the ocean. We know that you take private jets. We
Speaker 1: know what those fuel admissions doing to the universe. I
Speaker 1: would also say I never want to hear the baby
Speaker 1: talk about gay rights or have him even if he
Speaker 1: learned against it, right.
Speaker 3: Y'all, I was gonna say it, depending on maybe he
Speaker 3: people that do the work.
Speaker 1: I need to know what the work was. I never
Speaker 1: want to hear Jess Hilarious talk about trans rights or Muslims,
Speaker 1: because baby, what what a can you of? Your cutdown?
Speaker 4: Reille?
Speaker 3: Oh Okay.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is when people, when people speak out
Speaker 1: so much against or their behaviors go against something, they're
Speaker 1: the last person I want to hear in a campaign
Speaker 1: or messaging, even if their celebrity does bring more eyes
Speaker 1: to a certain cause.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that perfect and you can evolve and
Speaker 3: grow and learn.
Speaker 2: Trisian Thompson probably learned from his ways and he wants
Speaker 2: to give advice, you know, to someone in his peerdom.
Speaker 3: He's like, yo, bro.
Speaker 1: But that's why I said, I need to see the work.
Speaker 1: I need to know what the work was to know
Speaker 1: that you are not still in your ignorance.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean this is when we talked about this
Speaker 5: a little bit last week with Antoinette about communication.
Speaker 3: Right. Communication works two ways. It's what you say and
Speaker 3: what they understand.
Speaker 5: What is heard right when you're speaking to somebody, and
Speaker 5: the idea is that you want to communicate yourself clearly
Speaker 5: enough that they take you seriously or in this case,
Speaker 5: if you're a celebrity or some public figure, you need
Speaker 5: to not be perfect, but you need to maintain some
Speaker 5: level of credibility, dignity or otherwise about what it is
Speaker 5: that you're saying.
Speaker 3: Mind you, this came about seriously.
Speaker 1: This came about as a topic as well because me
Speaker 1: talking about the misinformation that's spread online in regards to
Speaker 1: the history of the KKK niggas literally was in the comments.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I'm by racial acting like I couldn't talk
Speaker 1: about the history of the KKK.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wrong messenger.
Speaker 1: Because of your African American studies you're one in college.
Speaker 1: But you know what that is.
Speaker 3: That's more so because they know that you what will
Speaker 3: respond and you're halfway you know, I'm saying that's what.
Speaker 1: I can't talk about history because I'm half like, so.
Speaker 3: That's what That's just that's the Internet, you know how,
Speaker 3: they just like the.
Speaker 4: Is there any credible message you would take from somebody
Speaker 4: like Safari or like ray J?
Speaker 3: They have experience, you know what, they.
Speaker 1: Have real you you know what? He's the thing and
Speaker 1: I did no, no, no, you know what's crazy on
Speaker 1: the Bonus episode and it was really it was all
Speaker 1: the way end. So I don't know if people heard it,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely and I do think that ray J could.
Speaker 1: He could, he could be a spokesperson for Gilead and
Speaker 1: getting tested and at least sharing results because on the
Speaker 1: in a conversation that he was having he was openly
Speaker 1: talking about STDs and yes, he said he liked the
Speaker 1: ones you could get rid of. He was the tattoos
Speaker 1: the ones that don't go nowhere. But I do think
Speaker 1: that there is benefit in a black man openly talking
Speaker 1: about STDs, openly acknowledging that he knows what he has.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of black men that don't even do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: We had the final balls, so that already what that
Speaker 3: that said, he had the biggest one.
Speaker 1: Who you're talking about, Magic Johnson? Oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but he specifically asked about Safari and ray Jar because that's.
Speaker 4: Like the premise of like Scared straight right, Like it's
Speaker 4: people who went through it who are able to explain
Speaker 4: it and hold that.
Speaker 3: So hopefully you're gonna have to go through that.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's anything Safari could tell me. I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: how to wind his hips. I don't know what is far.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything that I care. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he has I don't know if he's smart.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Safari outside of the fact
Speaker 1: that he was Nicki Minaja's backup dancer and that he
Speaker 1: manipulated and chased Eric Amenna just to leave her with
Speaker 1: two kids and being single mama a single mother, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know much of what he's done or given
Speaker 1: the culture or what he has to say about much.
Speaker 4: Of anything, honestly, So for right message, wrong messenger? What
Speaker 4: makes it the wrong messenger? Is it like they're they're
Speaker 4: like you said Safari, like I don't know if he's
Speaker 4: not that smart or because I presumably if they want
Speaker 4: through the experience, they're a good messenger.
Speaker 3: That's what you would think.
Speaker 2: I think it's because it's the patterns that they've they've
Speaker 2: displayed over the years.
Speaker 3: It's not favorable. So it's like I'm listening to you for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like Safari coming out and discussing how to
Speaker 1: love a woman, but seeing his behavior, I just don't
Speaker 1: know if that's what would make you the wrong messenger.
Speaker 1: Like and that's the thing. A lot of people get
Speaker 1: on these microphones and have opinions about things, but their
Speaker 1: behavior goes as like, oh, you're just giving us a
Speaker 1: word salad. Oh you're just telling us what we think
Speaker 1: you know or what you think people want to hear.
Speaker 1: But you don't live life this way, which is why
Speaker 1: I come on here and I talk from this is
Speaker 1: why my opinions are not favored in society because they
Speaker 1: come from my lived experience, and people may disagree with them,
Speaker 1: but at least I'm coming from a place of what
Speaker 1: I believe, and when I'm wrong, we hop on this
Speaker 1: mic and we correct ourselves. I think I'm an ever
Speaker 1: evolving person. I think that people choose to continue in
Speaker 1: their ignorance, but out of their mouth they want to
Speaker 1: be right.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, You got to have some credibility factor.
Speaker 5: What there's opposing forces at play too, right, Like, cynicism
Speaker 5: in society is like an all time high. Nobody believes
Speaker 5: anything that they see in a public sector, everyone is lying,
Speaker 5: Everyone has an ulterior motive. Or he just said that
Speaker 5: because he's paid all you work for Rock Nation, that's
Speaker 5: why you said that. Like, it's always a thing that
Speaker 5: someone will come up with as to why the person
Speaker 5: saying whatever they're saying is not being in good faith.
Speaker 1: Now here we go. I got a clip, I got
Speaker 1: a clip, Could you play the white Man? And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what radio show or podcast this is, but
Speaker 1: he goes into just play the clip.
Speaker 9: But see, like my taste in black women's a little
Speaker 9: bit more refined than the average black women. You find nowadays,
Speaker 9: Like I like the Lauren Hale type of black women,
Speaker 9: you know, the Pam Greer or the Tisha Campbell kind
Speaker 9: of black women. Why is it every time I walk
Speaker 9: through a mall or I walked into a convenience store,
Speaker 9: all the women there look like glow Rilla or sexy red.
Speaker 9: It's like those women just look like science experiments from
Speaker 9: the CIA meant to destroy Black community.
Speaker 3: So like you're saying that a man, do you think
Speaker 3: like glow? Really?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Now, if you got me a girl that.
Speaker 9: Looked like Patrece Russian, then all day, every day, let's
Speaker 9: get a Kraken. But I'm not gonna curse my children
Speaker 9: with a mother that goes skam phonem.
Speaker 3: Ain't no way, just ain't no way.
Speaker 9: These two is the disgusting hair colored hair they have nowadays.
Speaker 9: Whatever happened to afros and looking like you're guarded from
Speaker 9: Stephen Universe? Now they all got like red hair with
Speaker 9: green highlights. Like look at Kanye West daughter. It's like, baby, girl,
Speaker 9: you do not need aquamarine hair to make yourself look beautiful.
Speaker 9: You're beautiful the way you already were born. I don't
Speaker 9: need I don't need no girl, to look like, oh
Speaker 9: my gosh, bro.
Speaker 3: That there's a lot going on.
Speaker 7: So this.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a message. It's a it's a not bad message,
Speaker 1: but possibly wrong messages.
Speaker 2: It's intellectual Plotlust's an intellectual plot.
Speaker 3: Lush The first about to rast I see the hand.
Speaker 5: The first thing is like he's doing this thing where
Speaker 5: it's like it's wildly racist, is it? Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: wildly racist. But he's also trying to he's also trying
Speaker 5: to find a soft space that he can land to
Speaker 5: express his preference. I guess, and naming t Campbell and
Speaker 5: Buttes Russian is like a very specific type of black
Speaker 5: woman that I'm like, I'm surprised you even know.
Speaker 1: But I honestands that black is not a monolith. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I'm not gonna hold you. I say
Speaker 1: it all the time because I women. I don't like
Speaker 1: the lace Wiggs, I don't like the super So to me,
Speaker 1: this is if a black man or to say this
Speaker 1: on any of these black pods, no one would say.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's true at all.
Speaker 1: You you don't think a black man could say that
Speaker 1: he doesn't want I think that's type. But he wants
Speaker 1: a refined, natural type.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that it's worse that a white man
Speaker 3: said it.
Speaker 5: That's I think that's what you always can never just
Speaker 5: leave that part out, like it's a white man talking
Speaker 5: like that, so that's always gonna get your Spidey senses up,
Speaker 5: like hold on, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Like maybe he dates black women, that's why he's so
Speaker 3: so let me get to that. Though. The version of
Speaker 3: that clip that I saw wasn't that clip. It was
Speaker 3: a clip from O. G. Big Matt OG Big Matt.
Speaker 5: Yes, of course, and yeah, and og Big Matt is
Speaker 5: loved on Instagram because most of the time he is
Speaker 5: on the right side of the politic that people feel
Speaker 5: is appropriate for the time being.
Speaker 1: O G.
Speaker 5: Big Matt is also married to a white woman, and
Speaker 5: his response to this was, oh, well, I'm not mad
Speaker 5: at this guy because what he's saying has some merit
Speaker 5: because he mentioned people like Tisha Campbell and Patrets Russian.
Speaker 5: But he also went on to og Big Matt also
Speaker 5: replied by saying, just talking about like the greatness of
Speaker 5: black women in general.
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that everyone has their preferences,
Speaker 3: everyone has likes and dislikes. But when you start talking
Speaker 3: about like a science experiment and cursing my family and
Speaker 3: the CIA, and these look like like you've gone too far.
Speaker 3: You're not talking about you going out of your way.
Speaker 3: These narratives the narrative that exists before.
Speaker 5: He said that for us us, but those astic narratives.
Speaker 1: They're not and I disagree. It's the same way as
Speaker 1: the black community. We are like we and when I
Speaker 1: say we, people who do like to see us more refined.
Speaker 1: We cringe at a zoos network, We cringe at the
Speaker 1: stereotypes being being pushed to the media.
Speaker 3: Those are respectability politics.
Speaker 1: But let's but let's talk about it too. There's still
Speaker 1: a lot of people that question why Sexy Ray got
Speaker 1: the push and platform that she did. But a rhap
Speaker 1: city doesn't black excellence. But we're trying, and so to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at anywhere. You said a black man
Speaker 1: couldn't have even said that. I disagree.
Speaker 3: They said, all the time he sounds like all.
Speaker 1: The time, me all the time.
Speaker 3: I said, all the time, exactly how he talks.
Speaker 1: I don't want a nigga with but dazzlement at all.
Speaker 3: Patricia Rushland, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: Myron Gaines doesn't like black women because he thinks black
Speaker 5: women are sexy red whatever that means to him and
Speaker 5: Glorilla whatever.
Speaker 1: That means acknowledging that that's not the case here. So
Speaker 1: like for me and for me as a black woman,
Speaker 1: I want an educated, wealth came, clean cut black man.
Speaker 1: I don't want a hook booker.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry book for context of who this guy is before,
Speaker 4: because you guys are saying some good points. But so
Speaker 4: his name is Fawcett, he's fought streamer, and he has
Speaker 4: he has a lot a lot of large play streaming
Speaker 4: on kick and and kick is where you get like that.
Speaker 4: Aiden Ross is yeah about to say, you know what,
Speaker 4: maggot Jason Folks so that that's kind of the sandbox
Speaker 4: that he plays.
Speaker 3: Who's saying this.
Speaker 1: I'm still not mad, And I think I think anyone
Speaker 1: should be able to say that there with no no
Speaker 1: race is a monolith.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So to me, him coming out and saying that he
Speaker 1: prefers that he still loves black women but he wants
Speaker 1: his black woman to look a certain way is no
Speaker 1: different than me as a black woman saying that even
Speaker 1: in me only dating black men, there's a certain black
Speaker 1: man I don't very different.
Speaker 5: He's a white man also, he's not just saying the
Speaker 5: white women the black women that I like. There was
Speaker 5: no reason to even bring Blowrilla or Sexy Red or
Speaker 5: Northwest into none of that fear.
Speaker 3: He could just say what I dated black. The question
Speaker 3: that someone perpetly sent him was, would you date a
Speaker 3: black women? Sure?
Speaker 5: I love black women like Tisha Campbell and Patrese Russian
Speaker 5: And go about your business here, taking your opportunity to
Speaker 5: kick somebody's back in just because you think that that
Speaker 5: shit is ghetto and ugly and niggery. That see, That's
Speaker 5: pretty much what he said, everything except calling them niggers
Speaker 5: science experiments created by the CIA.
Speaker 1: I mean that I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna hold you. When I watched Zeus, I wouldn't fuck
Speaker 1: any of them bitches.
Speaker 3: Sure yuck.
Speaker 1: So if we are seeing if I could see him
Speaker 1: and say that we as people are anti the behaviors
Speaker 1: and the way would they portray themselves even on TV.
Speaker 1: I'm saying me as a person, I would not fuck
Speaker 1: or be with a person who dresses or looks or
Speaker 1: behaves in that manner. I don't think it's wrong for anybody,
Speaker 1: especially if he's saying he loves them, he dates them,
Speaker 1: I like black women. He's not being racist about it.
Speaker 1: He's saying, but this is the type that I like.
Speaker 1: I think if we are a place that allows preferences
Speaker 1: and types and the way that y'all do, what is
Speaker 1: the problem with expressing that.
Speaker 4: Out louds The messengers the problem here?
Speaker 1: We got the messages the problem.
Speaker 5: It's a white man. Part of it can never be
Speaker 5: stripped away from the conversation. You saying that, it's not
Speaker 5: the same thing as him saying, I'm only bringing that
Speaker 5: up also a black man. I don't think you're saying
Speaker 5: a black man, because no, I think black men have
Speaker 5: gotten cooked for saying that same type of ship for
Speaker 5: years and years and years.
Speaker 3: I don't think that is new.
Speaker 5: I don't think him getting cooked is specific to him
Speaker 5: being a white Yeah, he's the wrong message.
Speaker 1: So a man is the wrong message, because am I
Speaker 1: gonna get cooked for saying I wouldn't with someone that's.
Speaker 3: They might well find out when a clip.
Speaker 4: You're saying, you're saying, you're saying your preferences. He's not
Speaker 4: setting it up as his preferences.
Speaker 5: I think that is better than this right here, And
Speaker 5: the preference is proofessed of like, Oh, I'm not racist.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying what I like. I'm not misogynist. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying what I like. That's exactly how Dusty red
Speaker 5: Pill managed to your niggas.
Speaker 3: Talk about it. If that's exactly how you had a choice.
Speaker 1: Next week he came about to give me a problematic
Speaker 1: ass you have.
Speaker 3: To say, you have to pick one. Okay, this is
Speaker 3: that thrill, Sexy Red? Which one you let touch it? Oh?
Speaker 5: None?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Not? I said one of them, touch them touch it?
Speaker 1: You. I let them touch me.
Speaker 3: Gloriohole's touch touches.
Speaker 1: They got glorioleside. They got to be in a whole
Speaker 1: ski man. I don't like. I don't want to see them.
Speaker 1: I put my puss it through a hole.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Glory, I don't know Glory got that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sexually and mind you got to
Speaker 1: interview Sexy Red. I think she's dope and cool. You
Speaker 1: set that up for us. Yes, yes, what I want
Speaker 1: to be intimate with either one of them? Absolutely not,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. Like to be fair, I even find
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram to be disgusting now, because that's who's got
Speaker 1: a lot going on. I don't even like him choosing
Speaker 1: her as his partner makes me be like, E yuck.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I judge niggas about who they fuck, and Brendan Ingram
Speaker 1: is e yuk to me.
Speaker 3: Now, no, that's fair.
Speaker 5: I just think there's a huge difference. Like I can
Speaker 5: say what I like without saying what I hate. Like
Speaker 5: it's real, it's real simple to do. I don't have
Speaker 5: to kick nobody's back in. I don't have to talk
Speaker 5: about nobody's gender or nobody how they look or whatever
Speaker 5: they do.
Speaker 3: I could just be like, what do you what do
Speaker 3: you like? Do you like vanilla ice cream? Do you
Speaker 3: like cookies and cream? Do you like mink chocolate chip? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't have to uh what they call it? Yuck,
Speaker 3: you're young. I heard that.
Speaker 1: But even your this or that, let's move it to
Speaker 1: if I was talking about and that that this or
Speaker 1: that is comparable to me, and you asking me boosy
Speaker 1: or Charleston white like that's what like? And so I
Speaker 1: think that we should be able to identify that there
Speaker 1: are differences even in preferences, and we should be able
Speaker 1: to say it. And I don't hear how much you
Speaker 1: don't like your niggle.
Speaker 4: Preferences is fine, hierarchies is not.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's get into the last topic here
Speaker 1: we go. Let's play this clip, and this is where
Speaker 1: we'll talk about to uh if y'all felt anything was wrong,
Speaker 1: if if also the messenger was wrong here because it's
Speaker 1: the child to the parent, and I saw this one
Speaker 1: last topic of the pod. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: This was there.
Speaker 4: My own house.
Speaker 3: You really are on drugs. You need to find me.
Speaker 1: My AMEX card.
Speaker 3: You need to find me more clothes.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There's so much to build.
Speaker 1: Like how you said you're still going up. We can
Speaker 1: go up together.
Speaker 3: This doesn't have to be a you thing.
Speaker 1: It can be a wee thing.
Speaker 2: And then when I'm older and I have no nursing
Speaker 2: home and I need you to take care you can't
Speaker 2: do that, nurse, You're not going to do that.
Speaker 3: Two words, she's hilarious. So you put your dad in
Speaker 3: the nursing home.
Speaker 1: What else would I do? Take care of you myself?
Speaker 1: Go all, put me in your home and have twenty
Speaker 1: four hour nursing assistant in my house with my kids.
Speaker 3: She's effectively in my.
Speaker 1: Car and my husband and my pool, my guest trip.
Speaker 3: The one that made it all possible.
Speaker 1: She's from a distance guy.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to see him public. I
Speaker 3: don't want to see him debating, no other sports figure out.
Speaker 3: I just want him and his daughter on the screen
Speaker 3: on and just thephew with their nephew. Every once in
Speaker 3: a while a lot of.
Speaker 1: People said the exact opposite of you and was like,
Speaker 1: this is cringe. Don't want to see it. How dare
Speaker 1: she say that to her father?
Speaker 2: I love I don't believe she's serious. I do believe
Speaker 2: she's performing. I do believe she's from the line of
Speaker 2: stephen A. Smith, and she doing it. She understands, con
Speaker 2: she understands, she understands.
Speaker 3: The tone of voice suggested to me that she knows
Speaker 3: exactly what.
Speaker 5: The way she's getting so queer and why she said
Speaker 5: nursing home, like like, that's not that's what she's not
Speaker 5: going to do.
Speaker 3: That's performance. I love it.
Speaker 1: So do y'all find a problem with someone saying to
Speaker 1: their parents, I'll put you in a nursing home.
Speaker 3: You can't stay with it. I don't believe she generally.
Speaker 1: In general, because are y'alling kidding me? Nursing home.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't I want to anyone in my space.
Speaker 3: But it's not that type you don't want to care
Speaker 3: for them. It was just different things. That's being in
Speaker 3: this space because you're not going to be them being
Speaker 3: in a space.
Speaker 2: They confined to it. That's the reason why they're going
Speaker 2: to be in your place. So it's just a matter
Speaker 2: of at that point you have to care for them.
Speaker 2: That's the part you probably don't.
Speaker 3: Want to do.
Speaker 1: Because he did say the twenty four hour nurse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's rich. I'm pretty sure they'll have it set up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: have ANX.
Speaker 1: But this is it's crazy because whenever I have the
Speaker 1: conversation about not wanting children, right the first thing immediately
Speaker 1: is like, well, who's going to take care of you
Speaker 1: when you're old? And when we talk about you saying well,
Speaker 1: they have a big house, they have all this space.
Speaker 1: The majority of people are struggling right now, can't afford
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour nurse, don't have extra bedrooms. No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the majority of America. So this idea
Speaker 1: that anyone has to now bring in their parents and
Speaker 1: care for them, it's not realistic. It's not a realistic ask, it's.
Speaker 3: Not a feasibley's not equipped for that everyone.
Speaker 1: And so this is maybe not for Steven A. Smith,
Speaker 1: but this is a common response, and I saw so
Speaker 1: many people upset that this was the response. And maybe
Speaker 1: because of the wealth, but for most of America, I
Speaker 1: believe a nursing home is what's the most.
Speaker 2: Every parent knows their kid, they know if their kid
Speaker 2: is going to be willing to do something like that,
Speaker 2: and hopefully they would set it up where that wouldn't
Speaker 2: even be a conversation because you don't want miscare from
Speaker 2: your own offspring, right right, But if you know the hand,
Speaker 2: that's where you tend to lean towards, and if the
Speaker 2: hand is not you know, there to be cared, then yeah,
Speaker 2: you might have to go to the nursing home.
Speaker 5: I mean, my mom has always said, like even when
Speaker 5: she was in her like forties, she was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: when it's time to move out of like the house,
Speaker 5: and we always have like, yeah, send me to a
Speaker 5: senior citizens joint and let us talk about My mom
Speaker 5: will always say that and he always she said that
Speaker 5: for years she said that.
Speaker 3: So she's not tripping off of it. But guess what
Speaker 3: when it was time. I think I think we take care.
Speaker 4: Of my sentiment.
Speaker 1: Right you said?
Speaker 4: What they think them in is like, you know, you
Speaker 4: take care of your kids, and you don't want your
Speaker 4: kids to take care of you, right.
Speaker 3: Understood.
Speaker 1: I would like that to be just an okay sentiment
Speaker 1: to have because like it does become a burden and
Speaker 1: it becomes like, why would you want my life to
Speaker 1: become difficult in your old age when we all know
Speaker 1: we're gonna get old, Like there should be conversation. And
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy, now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: I've had the conversation with my mom with what she
Speaker 1: wants to do in her passing. She wants to be
Speaker 1: cremated and put into the ocean. But I don't think,
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, we've had the conversation
Speaker 1: about old age because my mom is babe, she gonna
Speaker 1: be trucking if you ask me, she's gonna be working
Speaker 1: till she in a step. Oh I'm gonna be I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hire somebody. I don't want none of my I
Speaker 1: don't want any of my family, first of all my sisters.
Speaker 1: Oh no, none of my sisters. I don't want my
Speaker 1: mama to do it.
Speaker 3: Give everybody fits to me, I'm not gonna lie in
Speaker 3: my old age.
Speaker 1: I would like to hopefully be in a position to
Speaker 1: higher care. But I mean, my mom is a nurse,
Speaker 1: but she gonna be older than me or not here anymore.
Speaker 3: And none of my.
Speaker 1: Sisters are nurses. I can't think that any of my
Speaker 1: sisters would know what the fuck to do with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, all play too right.
Speaker 5: We're talking about like old is one thing, infirmed is
Speaker 5: something different. So like you can just you can be
Speaker 5: ninety five years old and still be able to wipe
Speaker 5: your own ass and it just is what it is. Well,
Speaker 5: you could be seventy two and be in bad shape
Speaker 5: and need constant care and everybody a isn't equipped for that,
Speaker 5: willing to do that, And that's just like you said,
Speaker 5: it's not I.
Speaker 3: Don't think that's realistic for most Americans.
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's that's the thing too, right, Like
Speaker 1: like I know that dementia runs in my family. If
Speaker 1: it becomes difficult like that, like I have like BPD, bipolar,
Speaker 1: people with like neurological you know, issues that I choose
Speaker 1: not to deal with if I am faith with dementia.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that burden on anybody. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's a level of awareness that I think,
Speaker 1: even in old age we should have to wear. As
Speaker 1: old parents, we shouldn't want to be a burden onto
Speaker 1: our children. We shouldn't want them to have to deal
Speaker 1: with the emotional label or emotional abuse of what's to
Speaker 1: come once you start, you know, declining. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not mad at her saying this because
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you Stephen A. Smith at his healthiest.
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine putting up with that nigga in old age.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, think home for you.
Speaker 3: A nigga like Stephen A.
Speaker 5: Smith is probably gonna hire like five only fans girls
Speaker 5: and like taking care of them and shit like that.
Speaker 3: Nigga's not gonna have no regular nurse. That nigga's not
Speaker 3: gonna have no old lady.
Speaker 5: He's gonna be perfectly happy whatever situation that he figures out.
Speaker 5: That had nothing to do with my daughter having to
Speaker 5: come and change my depends every she wants.
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel though, that that narrative is
Speaker 1: a healthy one for us overall? Like that as children,
Speaker 1: we are supposed to be take care of our parents
Speaker 1: in old age and for parents and vice versa. Do
Speaker 1: you think it's fair that to have children just to
Speaker 1: take care of you when you get old on the
Speaker 1: conversation the expectation because the conversation is what we're happening now.
Speaker 1: But to me, I think it's almost put as an
Speaker 1: expectation and you're looked at as a bad person like
Speaker 1: people are like nursing home. Like there's also society's input
Speaker 1: or opinion that you're not a good child if you
Speaker 1: choose not to take care of your parents in old
Speaker 1: age and then also as parents is people CARTI said,
Speaker 1: I like having these kids because I need people to
Speaker 1: take care of me when I get old. That's also
Speaker 1: to me an expectation that you're putting on people that
Speaker 1: I don't think is realistical. But they got to have
Speaker 1: those conversations with the I agree, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: realizing I didn't.
Speaker 2: Have to have it. I'm just gone through that. And
Speaker 2: it was like my mom always said, I don't want
Speaker 2: y'all to but me. I'm like, but I would never
Speaker 2: not do it, you know what I mean? Because I
Speaker 2: know that it wouldn't it's that's my mom, right. It's
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm thankful that I was able to
Speaker 2: participate in that. It's just a matter of having a conversation.
Speaker 2: And to your point, it's not wrong to not want
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. Either if you don't
Speaker 2: have the bandwidth or you're not you don't think you
Speaker 2: can tolerate that, that is absolutely fine, But conversations are necessary.
Speaker 2: I hope that people are commenting and watching this, do
Speaker 2: the fake outrage shit. I hope y'all are having a
Speaker 2: conversation with your parents, probably have kids, just to what
Speaker 2: your expectations is talking.
Speaker 5: But also I think some of it is cultural, not
Speaker 5: like Black culture, but like for culture, immigrant families and
Speaker 5: things like that. Sometimes the idea is like, no, we
Speaker 5: all live together, like the family is the family.
Speaker 3: There is no like you're over there, I'm over there.
Speaker 5: If you have an elder who is infirmed, if you
Speaker 5: have a cousin who is down bad, whatever the case is,
Speaker 5: like we all stay in this same house or in
Speaker 5: this same neighborhood. You're already the city, You're already there.
Speaker 5: The community is already established for us to be able
Speaker 5: to help each other.
Speaker 2: And sometimes for if you don't grow up inside of
Speaker 2: that kind of culture, with that kind of idealism.
Speaker 3: You're just like like the daughter, like, all right, nurse
Speaker 3: a home for you.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go about my life in my pool, in
Speaker 5: my house with my husband and my kids, and you
Speaker 5: be over there and we'll come holl at you on Thursdays.
Speaker 3: I think I act like I'm here.
Speaker 1: I will say, in terms of the need for conversation,
Speaker 1: you said the conversation needs to be had with your parents,
Speaker 1: I will say also, this is a conversation to be
Speaker 1: had in romantic partnerships, yes, because if you're going to
Speaker 1: be cohabitating, like you don't know if your spouse is
Speaker 1: aligned with moving in their parents in old age, and
Speaker 1: now that becomes a burden that you have to take
Speaker 1: on as well. So this is a conversation that also
Speaker 1: needs to be had in romantic partnerships.
Speaker 5: And honestly, and I hear this conversation more about men
Speaker 5: in getting married that I even do about kids. I
Speaker 5: know a lot of women who are like, look at
Speaker 5: these old niggas with nobody, and they think they still
Speaker 5: in the club.
Speaker 2: They think it's cute. But when you get old, who
Speaker 2: you're not going to have a wife to help you out.
Speaker 2: You're not going to have a partner to help you out.
Speaker 2: You're just going to die alone and be like Kevin Samuels.
Speaker 1: I just hate that rhetoric because again, and this is
Speaker 1: I think what men need to do better at is friendships.
Speaker 1: Like when people talk about dying old or dying with
Speaker 1: nobody there, maybe I got a community around me. I
Speaker 1: have no fear in saying that I don't want to
Speaker 1: be married, saying that I don't want children, and that
Speaker 1: I fear dying alone. I have really good friends in
Speaker 1: my system now and cut a lot of these bitches
Speaker 1: off because I realize they're not good. But the ones
Speaker 1: that are still in my life I have that are strong.
Speaker 1: I have very good male friends in my life. I
Speaker 1: have show that I still think would always show up
Speaker 1: for me. And so to me, this idea that only
Speaker 1: your romantic partners are your children or who's gonna watch
Speaker 1: you after age. We all create communities and villages around us,
Speaker 1: and I think that that needs to be pressed as
Speaker 1: what's more important not just that your kids or your
Speaker 1: husband gonna be the only ones. When you build community
Speaker 1: and you live life as a good person and a
Speaker 1: giving person and a caring person. You're never going to
Speaker 1: be alone.
Speaker 3: No, I'm with you one thousand percent.
Speaker 5: And I think that's an important point to make because
Speaker 5: you're right, Like you talk about your family and then
Speaker 5: the family that you choose, yep, and like who you
Speaker 5: surround yourself with, Who do you trust?
Speaker 3: Who do you know will show up for you? Who
Speaker 3: do you know actually loves you, cares for you and
Speaker 3: wants to do those things for you?
Speaker 5: And people are wrapped up in that romance of like
Speaker 5: my husband, my wife, if that's the only thing you'll
Speaker 5: ever have once you get married, And.
Speaker 3: That's just not true.
Speaker 1: It's just not true.
Speaker 3: It could be an uber driver, it could be a driver.
Speaker 5: The most wants you to be decent. We're putting decent
Speaker 5: right along with great these sense decen the same place.
Speaker 1: Saying bout nowhere child, now any old Jason, I love
Speaker 1: having We gotta talk. We're gonna talk because baby, the way,
Speaker 1: our calendar just well, you know, the summertime tricky. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of travels coming up. Things is happening,
Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces, but we are trying to
Speaker 1: get up there at the end of the month.
Speaker 3: I'm so this whole episode with this goddamn AirPod some real.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that would you because I kept getting
Speaker 1: the air pod notification on my iPad.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe see he had one?
Speaker 1: Did you? Were you getting the notification to bro? It
Speaker 1: kept on my screen?
Speaker 3: You on his head. They're gonna be like, think at
Speaker 3: this nigga bluetooth talking ship. As long as you have
Speaker 3: the Atlanta ship they be doing over the big head.
Speaker 3: I thought we was past that part in life, and
Speaker 3: nigga starts. Niggas bringing that ship back.
Speaker 5: Niggas have headphone, I see with your microphone. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: truck be having everybody the gamer or the gamer headphones.
Speaker 5: Niggas be buying groceries and Kroger with the headset one
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 3: Niggas would do that.
Speaker 1: You well, y'all, this was a really this was a
Speaker 1: fun episode. This was ignorant.
Speaker 6: This was ignorant, Jason, we push the limit.
Speaker 3: We push the limit here.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, if you want to watch a full episode
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Speaker 1: And I'm excited next week I'll come back and let
Speaker 1: y'all know about my time in Saint Martin and Saint
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Speaker 3: I'll be this week.
Speaker 1: So if y'all want to see all of the bikini content,
Speaker 1: bag head on the instagram.
Speaker 2: What you are?
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Mandy Ship Yo, listen, you walk
Speaker 3: with lighting like your pictures.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, outside it's outside, or I get
Speaker 1: lucky I be with Yomi, you know yo yah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to the homie Yomi. Were waiting on your
Speaker 1: your lovely return. Until then, enjoy the fall off the world.
Speaker 1: Hello col world, Uh Jason, are you going? I think
Speaker 1: it's next this week or no, it's next week this weekend.
Speaker 4: I got check it out. I'm stuck in like Summer
Speaker 4: jams on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a lot of go. Let's go.
Speaker 7: Who's the headliner for Summer jam This three stages French Montana,
Speaker 7: Young Miami, uh forty one Ice Spice Zeeddi will Oh Wow,
Speaker 7: thirty eight special.
Speaker 4: Say It every Morning.
Speaker 3: That's I was going to say, this sounds like, sounds
Speaker 3: a straight voice. Cobain is gonna be there, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: official welcome party.
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 1: That actually sounds very New York. That is a very
Speaker 1: New York lineup.
Speaker 3: I like you.
Speaker 1: It's very intentional, very intentional.
Speaker 2: And I saw that you're going to do like a
Speaker 2: doing a different style where it's three stages and then
Speaker 2: he's gonna cap with a with a party, a big
Speaker 2: old stadium party arena.
Speaker 4: I got some insight. I don't know about it ready.
Speaker 2: I ready, I saw it on the fly the bill,
Speaker 2: so I'm and I'm using theater to mind, Like, yo,
Speaker 2: that'd be pretty dope.
Speaker 1: Jason's like, I don't know, I just gotta work.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not putting on the event. Well, guys, thank you' all.
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