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Speaker 1: Hey, what welcome And I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball,

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Speaker 1: all basketball, all the time. Although sometimes, as you know,

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Speaker 1: we devergd some right. We we want to just get

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Speaker 1: you great stories and if we can talk some hoop,

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Speaker 1: talk some hoop. My guest on this podcast, UM, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be blown away by the story. His name is

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Speaker 1: Chase Freedman, and Um, Chase uh is in his mid

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Speaker 1: twenties and two years ago a New Year's Eve, he

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Speaker 1: was paralyzed, they was he was told he never walk again.

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Speaker 1: He can run now. He'll tell you the whole story,

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Speaker 1: and you you just you do not want to miss it,

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Speaker 1: don't want to miss it at all. Um, let's get

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Speaker 1: to a couple of the stories of the week. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think that we're still kind of reeling from

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Speaker 1: the email Eudoka story. And I think it's interesting why

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Speaker 1: did Brad Stevens pass on hiring Damon Stodemeyer, who many

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Speaker 1: people thought was the number two assistant last year to

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Speaker 1: will Will Hardy was the number one assistant. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Damon Stoudemier was a star in the league. He's been

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Speaker 1: a head coach at the Universe Pacific. I think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that he was bypassed. Man. Maybe he turned down

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Speaker 1: the opportunity out of his loyalty to email. I'm not

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Speaker 1: not I'm not sure, but what happens with the Celtics

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Speaker 1: is fascinating, really is fascinating. Um. I also thought that

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Speaker 1: Russell Wills, Russell Whistle, Russell Westbrook and his well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play hard even if they don't want

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Speaker 1: me here. Just don't be a martyr. Don't be a

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Speaker 1: victim in this thing. You didn't have a good year.

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Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't blend well. The only reason you're

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Speaker 1: there is because you have this gargantuan contract. Just be

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Speaker 1: a good employee. Hey man, whatever Darvin needs, I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 1: That's it. The last part is people are freaking out

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Speaker 1: over Steve Nash's hey Ben, Ben Simmons doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. One if you're most people listen

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Speaker 1: to pot or basketball people, you're like, I kind of

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Speaker 1: Billy Donovan, of course, famously says the games play without

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Speaker 1: the basketball probably not as higher percentage nowadays is you

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Speaker 1: have dominant ball handlers. But the point is well taken.

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Speaker 1: There's so many things you can do to help your

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Speaker 1: team win that don't revolve around shooting jump shots. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't see it, if you don't get the

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Speaker 1: subtle nuance to it, it's you're gonna it's just gonna

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Speaker 1: be lost to you, absolutely lost to you. So I

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Speaker 1: think I see it. I think I get it what

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Speaker 1: Simmons just he plays defense and guard four or five positions. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: we can play him in the dunker, we can have

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Speaker 1: I do think though, that the and this is just

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Speaker 1: from personal experience, how to get him mass track because

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Speaker 1: most of you guys know his brother, Marco I think,

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Speaker 1: He needs to come out. Whereas most players, you take

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Speaker 1: Can you dominate a game without taking a shot? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: is my This is me catching up with Chase Freedman

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Speaker 1: your story. Okay, so when you had your accident, how

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to your tent and you go out one night,

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Speaker 1: what about your friends from your buddy who you went

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Speaker 1: then um, the therapist came in and they're like, Okay,

424
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: calm down, let's let's go finger by finger and see

425
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: what can move. And the very last finger, my thumb

426
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: moved like that, like less than a millimeter. And as

427
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: soon as I saw that, I was like, it moved.

428
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: That means it's gonna move more. That means the rest

429
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: of my fingers are going to move. And that's when

430
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: I like was stoked that I was going to be

431
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: able to do my first goal, which was to flip

432
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: everyone off. And I was like, I'm gonna do this.

433
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it. Every single time, whether

434
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: it's a millimeter movement. You got to take every win.

435
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: You have to realize even though it's just a little bit,

436
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: it's a win, and a little bit means more can come. Um. Okay,

437
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a personal question, like, you have

438
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: a catheter this whole time, At what point do you

439
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: were you able to feel there? So it actually I

440
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: think came a lot a lot earlier than most people. Um,

441
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: after about a month, like they left it in me,

442
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: but I was like, I feel like I'm pushing it

443
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: out on my own. Um, and they told me not to.

444
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: But I was like, can we just try taking it out?

445
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: And they said there was a test that they needed

446
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: to do on me. They can only test me in

447
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: two weeks. I said no, I wanted out now, and

448
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: came out. And I had the opposite issue where I

449
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: was I was peeing every five minutes now and after

450
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: like a week it would go from five minutes to

451
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: like ten minutes to an hour and eventually it was fine. Um,

452
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something, Switching out a catheter is the

453
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: most uncomfortable feeling in the world. Because I I by

454
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: that point, I had a bit of could you have

455
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: done this before? I had feeling I though we could. Yeah, yeah,

456
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned your first mental breakdown. What was the second

457
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: big breakdown? I really was just one or actually no,

458
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: uh second mental breakdown was actually no, I was wrong.

459
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: That was my second mental breakdown. My first mental breakdown

460
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: was so after all this happened, even though I was

461
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: initially super depressed and scared, I never cried. And then

462
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: after they told me I could recover a little bit

463
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: and took it as I'm gonna make a full recovery,

464
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: I was super positive, but I never like let everything

465
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: out until about a weekend. I was watching Fast and

466
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Furious seven, and most of the movie I'm laughing because

467
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the rock is like falling three stories and he just

468
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: gets up and he's fine, and I'm like, I tripped

469
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and here I am. But the end

470
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: of the movie there's a memorial for Paul Walker, and

471
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: I cried so hard I couldn't breathe. It was one

472
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: of those like I couldn't even breathe in and and for

473
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: the next couple of days, every time I thought about it,

474
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: I would start crying again. And it is very sad,

475
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: the Paul Walker thing. But I don't have any connection

476
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: to song though too that you know it's not the

477
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: song exactly exactly uth and whizz yeah, and uh, I

478
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: think it was just an outlet for me, you know,

479
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: and I just let everything out. So yeah, um, okay

480
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: the walking, how how far in did you get to

481
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: where you thought? I can? I can walk again, I

482
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: can this can happen. Yeah. So so the very first

483
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: week before had like any movement, UM, I told them,

484
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: because I was in Philly, UM that when I left

485
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: the hospital, I was gonna walk up the rocky steps.

486
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: And that's when they looked at each other and then

487
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: they looked at me and they're like, you know, focus

488
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: on you know, moving your leg first or standing up first.

489
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I'm I'm gonna walk

490
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: up the steps. So when I got to the the

491
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: REAP center and they asked me my goals, I said,

492
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: I want to walk up the steps. So from the day,

493
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: like day one, UM, I started practicing steps and even

494
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: though I couldn't move at that point, I would have

495
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: like one arm around one therapist one arm around the other,

496
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: and they'd move my legs for me up the steps.

497
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: And eventually we just kept working my quads, working my

498
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: hips and using help to get my legs moving. But

499
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: after practice and practice and practice, I started to get it. Um.

500
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: I think I took my first steps regular steps on

501
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: my own. Um. I think like halfway through February or

502
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: the end of February. So you were paralyzed in January

503
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: and you broke your neck, you had spine surgery, and

504
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: a month later you're and they told you you would

505
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: never walk again. And a month later, like a month

506
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: and a half. So what the first step step when

507
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: they're like holding you and you're like walking, or is

508
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: like a real first step at that point, by that

509
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: month and a half that was with a walker. It

510
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: was not a like a you know, normal step. It

511
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: was but step trying not to fall, step, trying not

512
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: to follow, using my arms to hold hold my weight

513
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: up as well. But a month and a half, what's

514
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: that feeling? Like? Absolutely incredible? You know. I feel like

515
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the reason I was able to do

516
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: it was I like proving people wrong and I was like,

517
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show everyone that that

518
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: I can do this. And uh, you know, I had

519
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: so much support from my friends and family all behind me,

520
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: and just proving to myself that I could do it

521
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: as well. It it. It was the greatest feeling ever.

522
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: And then how long do you walk up without a walker? UM?

523
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: I like I had the ability to do it soon after,

524
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: but I would always have a therapist there to make

525
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: sure I didn't fall. So I used a walker up

526
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: until about Up until April, I was using mostly a

527
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: wheelchair and I could get up in a walker. And

528
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: then I'd say in April, I switched from that to

529
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: a cane full time. And then I used a cane

530
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: until I'd say July, Um, July, July August, and then

531
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I switched to walking on my own. Did you did

532
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: you do with the Rocky steps? I did? So I

533
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: got out of the rehab hospital on around mid March,

534
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: and then the weekend after that, UM, friends and family

535
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: flew out from California and watched me go up the

536
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Rocky Steps. And at that point I had been viral

537
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: on TikTok uck, so hundreds of locals showed up to watch,

538
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and Sylvester Stallone saw the video and he called me

539
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: the real life Rocky and uh, yeah, yeah, that that happened.

540
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly how it went down, and that that

541
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: the Rocky Steps was was crazy because initially, like it

542
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: was me, my friends and family, and then I saw

543
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: like two or three people that were like looking at me,

544
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: and I could tell they were like locals had come.

545
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: But when I went up, Um, So there's this thing

546
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: called appropriate reception, and it's basically like if you close

547
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: your eyes and move your arm around, you still know

548
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: where your arm is, but I didn't know where my

549
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: legs were. When I, like I would move it, I

550
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: could feel the muscle working, but I didn't know if

551
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: it was going straight or straight to the right or

552
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: straight to the left unless I saw it. So I

553
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: started up these steps. I'm looking straight down. I'm super

554
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: in the zone. I go up the first flight, go

555
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: up the second flight, and I look up and there

556
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: are hundreds of people all they're just like cheering me on,

557
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy sh it, Like actually, there

558
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: was a pretty big turnout for this and very overwhelming,

559
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: but like I also felt the support of people. And

560
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: I went all the way up to the top and

561
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: getting to the top and putting my arms up in

562
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: the air, and there was like straight performers there before

563
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: and they turned their music off. They were playing the

564
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: rocky theme. They were playing I the Tiger. When I

565
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: went up, it was like, so, what do you think.

566
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: You're up there and you're doing the rocky thing their

567
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: plan at the Tiger, and you did it right, I mean, grant,

568
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: there's still work to be done, and yeah, you did it.

569
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: If you can think what what actual thoughts were taking place?

570
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: It like pure bliss, Like like I was so happy

571
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: that not only I did it for myself, but I

572
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: proved everyone wrong. My my friends and family flew out

573
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: there also proud of me I've made My parents were there. Yeah,

574
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: and uh it it was like, honestly one of the

575
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: greatest moments of my entire life. Um, if you were too,

576
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: and I'm sure, like I'm sure some of these, all

577
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: these questions have been asked, but they're just fascinating me. Um,

578
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: what's the secret to getting past those moments of doubt?

579
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Because a lot of us we have moments of doubt

580
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: that are not real moments of doubt, right, it's just

581
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: our own mind telling us. But you're fighting your body. Yeah,

582
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you're fighting you know, you're the doctors are telling you like,

583
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: these are real things. But again it beats you up

584
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: there are betting debt, What what is this what is

585
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: your secret? Not every secrets saying what's your secret. So

586
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: this is the way I saw it, because you know,

587
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: when you're early days, when you're paralyzed, you can't move.

588
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: All you do is think about stuff and watched The Office.

589
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of The Office. So the way

590
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: I saw it was the make it clear that the

591
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: first like six months is when the majority of the

592
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: recovery happens. They say of the recoveries in the first

593
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: six months, ten is in the next six months, and

594
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: then there's just slight changes from then on. I was like,

595
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: whether or not I like, I believe I'm going to

596
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: recover fully. But this, this is the most important six

597
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: months of my life. I need to push myself as

598
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: hard as I can because if I don't, I'll regret it,

599
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: regret it for the rest of my life. Even if

600
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't fully recover, I want to be as best

601
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: the best I can possibly be so I can spend

602
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: the rest of my life living as able bodied as possible.

603
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: So every day it was work as hard as I can.

604
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Every day it was funk with the nurses, crack a joke,

605
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: be grateful to be alive because the doctor did day

606
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: one tell me like, oh, if I was like a

607
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: couple of millimeters in another direction, I'd be dead. Just

608
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: find everything to stay positive, whether it's movies. I was

609
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: watching the Rocky movies, I was watching TV shows that

610
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: everything that inspired me. And one more thing I want

611
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: to mention is so so I told you after the

612
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: second day, I was super positive, and then about a

613
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: month in the doubts kind of started coming in and

614
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I even though I worked just as hard and rehab

615
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: my mentality wasn't there. And I literally stopped recovering for

616
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: a week. Then um Bert Kreisher, he's this comedian who

617
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: I work with, got me in touch with an army

618
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: vet named Scott Flansbom who had been paralyzed necked down

619
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: and told he would never walk again. I spoke with

620
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: this guy and he fired me up, just you can

621
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: do it. Like they told me, I never walk again.

622
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: But here I am and he was just firing me up.

623
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: I was ready to jump out out of my wheelchair

624
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: and run through a wall. I got the mentality back,

625
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: and then my body just started recovering again. So there's

626
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: a there's that it goes hand in hand, right. Yeah.

627
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Mine says that you can do it. If your mind

628
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: says you can't do it, it ain't happening. Exactly. Amazing,

629
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: that's that's that's amazing. It was weird because I'm like

630
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: a science guy. You do the work, this happens. I've

631
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: said I've never like shut down the mentality stuff, but

632
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: this proved it to me, just dead on that you

633
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: need to be there mentally for your body to respond

634
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, now you've watched every out this episode,

635
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure front and back. Pam's kind of a bit

636
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be honest. I mean, she's supposed

637
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: to be like America sweetheart, but there's a lot of

638
00:36:52,719 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: bad stuff there with Pam. She's uh, she's a little overrated. Um.

639
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: She she she's like shy and everyone loves her because

640
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: she's shy, but she's got she's got a little sas

641
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: to her that It is funny sometimes but sometimes you're like, really, yeah,

642
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you there. Okay, yeah, absolutely.

643
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: Did you watch the British version of the Office. I

644
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: did not, And so they put the TV on Comedy Central,

645
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: and I guess Comedy Central just runs The Office in

646
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: order from nine am to seven pm or at least

647
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: they did when I was in the hospital. Okay, I

648
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: would tell you should watch the British versions. Okay, I'll

649
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: check it out. Ricky Gervais basically, I mean he's ridiculous,

650
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: He's so good. Um, So, where are you now? Because

651
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: I've seen videos now of you hiking and running and

652
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: it's it's close, but you'd be honest, it's not completely

653
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: fluid yet. Where are you now in the in the process, so, um,

654
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I'd say I'm like flat around. Um, it's pretty much

655
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: unnoticeable unless you know it's there, like i've for the

656
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: last couple of months. Whenever I meet people, nobody realizes

657
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it until someone brings it up. Do you want to

658
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: go and bring it up? Or do you want people

659
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: to just treat you like you? I would rather people

660
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: not bring it up, because like that's the point, Like

661
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: I I'm not working this hard so I can talk

662
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: about it for the rest of my life. I'm working

663
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: this hard, so you just get back to my life

664
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: being normal. Um. But like on hills, it gets a

665
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: little tough. I'm going on hikes because of the uneven ground.

666
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: It's working the muscles in my legs that I'm not

667
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: used to um and going going up and downstairs. I'm

668
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: a little slower, but on flat ground, it's it's pretty

669
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: much unnoticeable. Mhm. Who's a person who's you weren't that

670
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: close to her as close to before? Who now you're

671
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: very close to maybe because of how they were with

672
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: you during this process. Not really any changes. I mean

673
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: everyone who's been really close with me and my family

674
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: and friends have stayed close. Did your family and friends

675
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: think you would walk in or do they think you're

676
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: crazy person? I think they all thought I was a

677
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: crazy person, but they were feeding into it, you know.

678
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: I think my grandparents believed because they're also crazy people.

679
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: And uh, but but my friends had well that that

680
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: is the reason why my third goal actually happened, which

681
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: is but the first week I was in the hospital,

682
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: my friends were all, you know, they're all degenerates, and

683
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: they text me saying, uh, Chase, get better when you

684
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: come back to California, I'll let you kick me in

685
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: the balls, so so recover so you can do that.

686
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, I bet, and uh, I recovered

687
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: way better than anyone expected. So I made a video

688
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: about how I'm training, and I got the therapist to

689
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: like we were kicking soccer balls and kicking matts and

690
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I when I got home, I I kicked him in

691
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: the nuts and it was glorious. It was glorious. He

692
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: was gonna wear a cup, but he forgot one and

693
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: he was like, whatever, let's do it. The first time

694
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: I kicked him, I accidentally missed him and hit him

695
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: in the thigh and he could have faked it. He

696
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: could have, but he was like, nope, you missed. Do

697
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: it again. And his name's Dan, Dan Cipher. Great guy,

698
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: great guy. And uh. It was weird because yeah, I'm

699
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: flipping pain into my friend, but you know, he was

700
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: in pain for like thirty seconds. And then he got

701
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: up and he says, like, Chase just kicked me in

702
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: the balls. And I feel so good because it was

703
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: it was this weird moment of I did it. Like

704
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: nobody believed I could kick him in the balls, but

705
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: here I am walking on two feet, no walker, no cane. Uh.

706
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: And it was hysterical, man, And it was in It

707
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: wasn't as crazy as the Rocky Steps in terms of

708
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: like feeling like I've achieved this insane goal, but but

709
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: it was a little lower than that. But I still

710
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: still a huge moment in my life. I'd say in

711
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: five years you'll be doing what. Well, Uh, there's been

712
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: some interest on a movie, so we'll see. Do you

713
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: want to start in your own movie? No? Who do

714
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: you want to have play you? Um? Well, my ex

715
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: who we broke up in November and then the injury

716
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: happened in January and then she didn't text or call

717
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: me until May. So she was obsessed with Timothy shallow

718
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: May so it would be nice if he played me

719
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: in a movie out of pettiness. When did she find

720
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: out about the injury? My mom called her on like

721
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: the second or third day, and she didn't contact you

722
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: to win may? Yeah. Uh, that's a that's a better

723
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: breakup right there. It's tough, tough. I liked I like

724
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: the f you and and who you wanna? Who you

725
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: want to and you can pick out who plays her

726
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: because she could be part of it and you could

727
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: that would be great. She's not even in its not

728
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: even in it. She's not in it. It's gonna be

729
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: a book, right, you write a book. You a book

730
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: and the movie. Uh if the movie uh starts moving forward,

731
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I'll work on a book too. I think you do

732
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: do both book to the book, just get a recorder

733
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: and and and and do it. Um. Do you want

734
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: to do the motivational speaker and tell the story or

735
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: do you want to get you said you want to

736
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: get back to your life? Do you want to get

737
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: back to working in movies and TV? Um? I mean

738
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: yes and no. I actually uh quit my job last month.

739
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: Um because for a couple of reasons. First of all,

740
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: I was at a point where I thought my recovery

741
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: was mostly done. Was limping a little bit, but um,

742
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: that was kind of it. And then I went to

743
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Coachella where I walked twenty thousand steps a day, seven

744
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: miles a day. Then the week after that, I walked

745
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: better than I've ever walked, and I was like, oh,

746
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I can still recover more than the week after that,

747
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I regressed and got worse, and I was like, I

748
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: can't be sitting at a desk from nine am seven pm.

749
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Apart from that, the job, even even though it was

750
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: my dream job, the job is your life. There's no

751
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: work life balance. You're getting calls at all hours. And

752
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: after everything I went through and realizing how much family

753
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: and friends are important to me, like I want to

754
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: spend more time with them and not be married to

755
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: my job. So I left, and I'm interviewing for tech

756
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: sales jobs right now and living where and I was

757
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: still living in l A. Okay, yeah, you talked about

758
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: how like the time to think, what's the most bizarre

759
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: thought you remember having? Doesn't have to be about not

760
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: wanted to wake up? Then when i'd be about recovery,

761
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: there's just weird ship that goes in your mind when

762
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: you're left. I think, any anything come to mind. I'm

763
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: not sure if this is the answer you're looking for.

764
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: But since I had COVID and couldn't see anyone and

765
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to people, Um, I made a

766
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Tinder account or I just posted photos of me in

767
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: the hospital, like put the neck brace and everything, and I, uh,

768
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: just to mess with people, and I my my about

769
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: my bio was recently paralyzed. My neck brace holds up

770
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: to a hundred fifty pounds. Come and take a seat,

771
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: em eman, Like did you get so many I got

772
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: so many matches. I had the best conversations. They'd be like,

773
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: what up. I'd be like, not me and my legs

774
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: don't work. They'd be like, you have beautiful eyes. I

775
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: don't like thanks the only working part of my body. Uh,

776
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: it's just messing with just having such a good time.

777
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: And the whole time I'm just like laying there using

778
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: voice command, so I'm saying all this out loud. O. Yeah.

779
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: I can't imagine if the nurse was sitting there having

780
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: to do the voicemaan thing for you right right. Sometimes

781
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: I would have sometimes I would have the nurses like

782
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: help me with it. They were so embarrassed it. It

783
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: was so funny and only Comedy Central. You didn't get,

784
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: did you West Sports at all? Yeah? Actually that was

785
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: during um the playoffs, and I remember I had my

786
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: buddy put in a parlay for me on Green Bay

787
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: beating the Rams at home and the Ravens, you know,

788
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: the Bills beating the Ravens, and so Green Bay one.

789
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: Then the Bills are up by one score. It's like

790
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: the end of close to the end of the fourth quarter.

791
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: The Ravens are slowly making it down and I'm like, ship,

792
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna score. It's gonna go into overtime. Lamar throws

793
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: it into the end zone, Bills catches it pick six yards.

794
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: I was screen being so loud all the nurses ran

795
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: in like, what's wrong, what's wrong? What's I was like,

796
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm rich, rich, great moment. I wish you win about

797
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: that much. I probably put like thirty bucks down. I

798
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: don't I don't bet that much. Random question. How much

799
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: did insurance cover of all this stuff? Luckily? Like the

800
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: entire thing, Um, I had to pay for like my

801
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: shower chair. Um, but the rehab center if I remember right,

802
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: Like it's actually like seven thousand dollars a day to

803
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: stay there. So luckily I had good insurance and they

804
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: covered the entire thing. It's amazing. Um, what's it like

805
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: when you see people that are still paralyzed? Because I

806
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: think part of your recovery was obviously your mentality and

807
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: your work ethic, but part of it's also like there's

808
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: just some injuries that people can't come back from for

809
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: somebody who has been in that position. Now you see

810
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: somebody who's in that position, what was it like for you?

811
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: It's so since of all this like on line presence

812
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: has been happening, Like I've had a lot of people

813
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: reach out to me for help and seeing like a

814
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: sixteen year old who just dove into shallow water and

815
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: it's it's so painful because I know what they're about

816
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: to go through, and as much as advice and help

817
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: I can give them, the likelihood of them recovering is

818
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: is really low. So what I try to do is

819
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: just tell them the mindset that I had, And because

820
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I I don't I'm not a doctor, I don't know

821
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: if they were going to recover or not. But I

822
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: tell them what I did, and it usually does help

823
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: them mentally. The way I explained to you, like, no

824
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: matter how much you are going to recover, you want

825
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: to push yourself as hard as you can these next

826
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: six months because you want to get yourself as good

827
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: as you can possibly get for the rest of your life.

828
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I try my best to help them,

829
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: but it is really difficult to do sometimes. Well have

830
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: you have you thought about do you need therapy for

831
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: because they're still like that would be like PTSD on

832
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: some level, right, Yeah. I actually had PTSD one time

833
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: during therapy when I was in the hospital, we practiced

834
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: getting up from the ground. So I lay on this

835
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: match and they're like trying to get up and it

836
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: was the exact same position I was in when I

837
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: initially fell, and I just started hyperventilating and it was

838
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: it was really scary and luckily that hasn't happened again.

839
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry, what was a question again? That's it?

840
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: That's it. Well have you thought about that? Do you

841
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: need therapy for? Oh? Right, I I went part of

842
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: the rehab was I saw a therapist At that point,

843
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: I didn't really need one because I was so locked

844
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: in mentally, and when I came back, I didn't need one.

845
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: But right now I think I might go see someone

846
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: because it's I'm in a weird place right now because

847
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Speaker 1: the mentally I was, I was in you know, when

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Speaker 1: you play sport, you get in the zone. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: was in the zone for like three months straight. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: Now like my life has gone back to normal and

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Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about the things I went through and

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Speaker 1: the stuff I still have to deal with today, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, and yeah, I might I might go

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Speaker 1: see someone soon. See. I think I think your story

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Speaker 1: or your message is the take to take every win. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's an amazing thought, right that you just you just

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Speaker 1: wiggled your thumb just that much, and that's like that's

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Speaker 1: the mentality we should all have, Like we all get

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Speaker 1: caught up in the big winds, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: little winds, and you're stacking up little winds up and

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Speaker 1: then the big wins happen. That's an amazing, mental, amazing

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Speaker 1: way of looking at obviously the only way you could

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Speaker 1: look at it. It's a basically way of translating to

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Speaker 1: the rest of life. It does, and specifically in my situation,

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Speaker 1: it was so important to do that because if you

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Speaker 1: only wait for big wins, it's it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: You need the little wind to fire you up, to

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Speaker 1: push it to the next one. You can't just say,

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Speaker 1: like there was someone in therapy that he would have

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Speaker 1: these little wins and we had the rest of us

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Speaker 1: had to like explain to him, like this is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. Every and everything was never good enough, and

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Speaker 1: his recovery was, you know, slower than most maybe because

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Speaker 1: of that case. I can't tell you how amazing your

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Speaker 1: stories to me, um just that like I remember this

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Speaker 1: is my my dad was a coach at Long Beach State,

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Speaker 1: and I remember distinctly like they played U. C. L

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Speaker 1: A and football. Long we State used to have a

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Speaker 1: football team to played U. C. L. A. And my

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Speaker 1: dad just kept become an assistant coach. We just moved

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Speaker 1: out to southern California. I was like six seven years old,

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Speaker 1: went to the Rose Bowl and the kid got paralyzed

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Speaker 1: and he's since died. There's like a school, there's elementary

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Speaker 1: school is named after him. Whatever. But like everybody remembers

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Speaker 1: that one moment or heck, we're watching tonight, you watched

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Speaker 1: to to go down, right, Yeah, that's not the moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was because I saw it. I saw his hands

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Speaker 1: and in the early days I when I would have

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Speaker 1: the muscle spasms in my hands, they would do the

890
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: same thing. So initially I was like, I hope he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a spinal cord injury. They said, he's you know,

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Speaker 1: moving like all these extremities now. So luckily it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's not as bad as what I had. But

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Speaker 1: that was a very scary image for me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I can I can only imagine. And you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody says they'll walk again, but you actually have and

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Speaker 1: the speed of your recovery was remarkable, and the use

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Speaker 1: of social media and the rocky steps and all that

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Speaker 1: stuff that you got a fan in me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you can't fan anybody listens to it. Um, look, man,

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Speaker 1: do you ever want to just talk sports, You're welcome

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Speaker 1: on the on the live radio show. We can do that, uh,

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00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: because I know sometimes you get in a bad place

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Speaker 1: you just want to talk about something other than what

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about. And so I do appreciate

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Speaker 1: you going back down this road for me. It really

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Speaker 1: really means a lot. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Chase.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome and we'll be in touch. Okay, great reminder.

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Speaker 1: You can check out the Doug Gottlieb Show UH podcast,

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00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: which is daily three to six Eastern twelve three Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Remember the last hour's pod only, so we take a

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Speaker 1: couple more chances, a little bit more fun. Language changes

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Speaker 1: a little bit as well. You can listen to the

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Speaker 1: Doug Otlip Show daily on Fox Sports Radio the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. I'm told at some point series sex

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Speaker 1: and we're coming back online there. I'll get you the

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Speaker 1: channel next time it's appropriate. But the meantime, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much to Chase Freeman for sharing his story. I hope

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Speaker 1: you took that nugget of just celebrate any little win

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Speaker 1: per day. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball,