1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Mona, a deep dive into the Latin X 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: experience with mot Anita. We want to create a community 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: and has shared space with you while sharing knowledge and inspiration. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: This show is about celebrating our culture with guests who 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: exemplify the best of us. I'm Darrylene Gastillo Ethane Vito. 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Hey everyone. For today's episode, we have a special round 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: table discussion we recorded with the great people over at 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: the Plus podcast me our moderator, Christopher Henry Young, Tyler Hardwick, 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: and Dianne Stewart. It's a two part conversation and part 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: one is available on Spotify at the Plus cast. So 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: when you get done with today's episode, head over there 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and listen to it. Thanks memos. I was just gonna 13 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: touch on something that came to my mind. But um, 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: from my personal experience, I've always felt very not sure 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: where my place was because you know, I'd be going 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: in for West Side Story and I'd get into finals 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: for Maria or right, i would get going going for 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: you know these Latin roles that I'm like, that's me, 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: that's perfect. Hello, and being completely like overlooked and completely 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: like being frank and being like blunt, like I remember 21 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: one time a cast and director told me that they 22 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: just were not sure if they wanted to go with 23 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: a darker skinned Maria. And I I remember so many 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: times like going in for these things and people like 25 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: literally being like, oh, your last name is Gastillo, are 26 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: you Spanish? And it's like, I mean things that obviously 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: nowadays we can't get a way with, but ten years ago, 28 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, five years ago, people were still trying it. 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Five years ago, I mean, listen, people, people are still 30 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: trying it also. But it's something that that's something that 31 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: like has always I will never forget that feeling of 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: like me going in for roles that I'm like, these 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: speak to me, This speaks to my culture, it speaks 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: to where I come from, and completely because my skin 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: being darker, being a darker Latina, or having curly hair, 36 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: oh god, don't even get me started on the hair 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: deciding if FIVE straight in my hair or wear my 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: hair curly for an audition. I mean, oh, there's just 39 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: there's just so many things that I still do question 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: on myself sometimes and I have that trigger of like 41 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: oh do I straighten my hair? Do I wear my 42 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: hair curly? And I and I do I say, how 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: do I pronounce my name when I walk in the room. 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Like there's there's so much, there's so much that was 45 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: conditioned in the beginning of of of of my career 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: personally and my mindset and things that I've been like, 47 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm retraining my brain now to like be 48 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: okay with who I am naturally and authentically and the 49 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: roles that I go in for and the things that 50 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at and do I have a connection to 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: this and is this something that I can storytell from 52 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: my experience? Um that I just want on to run 53 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: on because there's just so much that in this industry. 54 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I think that for me personally, I've I've just never 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: felt where where do I belong? You know. It's like 56 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: my white friends are like, You're not really black, are you? 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: And then you know, my black friends are like alright, girl, 58 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: but you Spanish, Like let's be real, did it? And 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: then my Spanish friends, I'm like, uh, They're like what 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: you speak Spanish? Like this like juggle of Like I've 61 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: never really felt like I've belonged, you know, holy in places, 62 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: And probably it wasn't until Hamilton's for me personally, because 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: I felt like there were so many different shades and 64 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: so many people like different backgrounds, and we all have 65 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: this like we all have our personal story and our 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: and we're all accepting of each other in that way. 67 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: And I've never really experienced that until I did Hamilton's. 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I did not experience that when I did Lion King. 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: I have to say that that was actually one of 70 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the scariest moments of my career in my life, because 71 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I was surrounded by by people that I thought, I 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is where, yeah, my people here, 73 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: we are like, and then I I dealt with a 74 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: lot of um, a lot of bullying. I have to say, 75 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: I dealt with a lot of um. There was a 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: rumor that her last name is Castillo. Don't talk to her. 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: She's not even she's not even black. So, like, I 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: had a very different experience where I was, you know, 79 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: prior to Lion King. I mean, I was in rag 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: Time and I did these shows and I had and 81 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: I've always felt comfortable in a space with black people 82 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: because I consider myself I'm black, Like you know, I'm like, 83 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: hello there, I can be black and Latina. Okay, so 84 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: let's not let's not get that twisted but not just 85 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: you can be you are exactly thank you Christopher, I am, 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: but it's like even even too. So that was my 87 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: first time I was in a space where I felt secluded, 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: like I was like, damn, okay, my last name is Gastico, 89 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: but like I'm still black, Like oh well, I mean 90 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: I dealt with a lot of bullying um during Lion 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: King and unfortunately um and there was like a really 92 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: difficult moment for me to also like admit, you know 93 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, because I feel like it's also child. 94 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: This is a mixed, mixed, mixed conversation. It also depends 95 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: like your experience, personal experience, and like I always forget 96 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: that you're also from from Rochester, Deane where it's like 97 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: in the context of Rochester, if you have like any color, 98 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: at least for me, I was black. I was like 99 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: they were like, child, you are not white. That's what 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: we do know. Or even if I'm with my family 101 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 1: like they would like I just I'll never forget being 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: treated like like a wild animal being with my mom 103 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: like wow, like that's that's yours. Literally, that's what they 104 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: would say. And I always felt uncomfortable, but I never 105 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: obviously could understand it intellectually at that age. Um, so 106 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: all of those things and in they all track so 107 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: like just like identifying oneself. I always tell mixed people 108 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: like to be honest, I think a lot of people 109 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: are mixed. I don't even know their mixed, like obviously 110 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: like left us like are mixed, like there mixed slavery 111 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: literally like the Caribbean was the hub like hello, hello, 112 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: and you know, And that's part of the the importance 113 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: of conversations like fees and not not to mention even 114 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: as we speak about these really challenging things. One thing 115 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: that I find to be the most black thing is 116 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: is joy in hard times. In even in this conversation 117 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about such a dense things, but we have 118 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: this collective like community vibe that makes us giggle in 119 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: certain things, even in experiences where we're like chow. We 120 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: know that. And so I want to ask everybody, like, 121 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: give me what black joy is to you, specific to 122 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: your profession and theatrical space, because I know for me, 123 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: black joy, what it feels like, what it looks like, 124 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: what it is in a theatrical space is uninhibited expression 125 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: of myself. Fully, there's not a question that I have 126 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: to ask there's no no guilt to be laying on it. 127 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: It is me being able to if I'm asking, you know, 128 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: in a in a conversation with my director in the 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: in the way I want to express that I don't 130 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: understand is saying the math ain't math thing. I don't 131 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: have to code switch. I don't say, well, I don't 132 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: understand what we're trying to get. No, no, no, the 133 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: math ain't mathing. And that's the way I wanted to 134 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: express that I'm confused right now. That to me is joy. 135 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: It is uninhibited expression of myself, no questions. So like, 136 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: what is that for you all? Oh that's a good 137 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I was in so much 138 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: authenticity in Once on this Island, Like we all showed 139 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: up very ourselves, and it was definitely a situation where 140 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: like they had to navigate and figure it out. It 141 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: just wasn't gonna it wasn't it wasn't gonna it wasn't 142 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: gonna happen any other way. So I feel very blessed 143 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: and grateful for That's when I'm grateful, child, Like, that's 144 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: when I'm like, oh wow, this is this is beautiful 145 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: because then you have the opportunity of everyone creating better work, 146 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: being authentic, and I truly believe like we've all been 147 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: in situations where we we have not been authentic to ourselves, 148 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: or we've noticed people being like, yes, yes, I'll do 149 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: whatever you want, and the work is stale. It's two 150 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: dimensional because you're not even you're not even able to 151 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: weigh what you're trying to bring to the table, what 152 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: they're trying to bring to the You're not collaborating, you're 153 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: just being a puppet. And if you're being a puppet, 154 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: you're you're not it's just not good work, that's my opinion. 155 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: So we all definitely were able to bring our full 156 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: selves and I just felt like the building was so 157 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: much more honest, which was beautiful. Maybe that was in 158 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: part because the cast was small, but you know, I've 159 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: been a big cast where it's it's very formal and 160 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: and unfamiliar even after you work together for a while, 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and like that's fine. I I've learned to navigate that space. 162 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: I expect it. But it was a great experience to 163 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: show up and be like, you know, Chad, I'm not 164 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: in the mood. It's like okay, cool, cool, I feel 165 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: better see you out there. Like the downbeat is still 166 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: going to drop it. I'll see you out there. Yes, 167 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: that's why I do think there is something about what 168 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: you just said, Tyler, about like a smaller a small cast, 169 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: a small group. Because so my first show UM I 170 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: did in the city was off Broadway and it was 171 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: just it was just five of us and it was 172 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: all black cast and the people creating the show we're 173 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: black and you know, and so it was it was 174 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: a very different experience for me to feel like, oh, 175 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: we just get to wait, we just get to be 176 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: like we like we yeah, like like having that like, 177 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: oh wait, so I don't have to you know, I 178 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: don't have to coode switch. I don't have to you know, 179 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: be sitting here feeling like I'm like yes, Nasa, you know, 180 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: because that's something's how it feels, you know, and like 181 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: I think that's just like such an important thing to 182 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: be able to um, to be able to have those 183 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: moments and just feel free. And we had so much 184 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: to it, you know, obviously that we're still struggles. There 185 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: were still hard times. It were still people butt heads 186 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: between creative and cast and whatever. But we figure it 187 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: out and it felt like such a family and you know, 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: another moment, another moment of black joy that I used 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: to love so much. On tour with Beautiful, we would 190 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: have gospel something and yeah, and it's like and we 191 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: would just like play gospel music and it would just 192 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: turn into such a time during our half hour where 193 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: it was just like we could all you know, and 194 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: mind you that cast is about about half um nearly, 195 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: but it was just such a collective moment where I 196 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: do feel like the white people especially would allow us 197 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: to the space to be like, yes, we'all y'all live, 198 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, like y'all live, and also like we're gonna 199 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: live with you, but we're not gonna step on it. 200 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: We're going to you know, we're not gonna step on it, 201 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: but we're gonna be a part of it and uplift 202 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you in this moment that you'll have this like ritual 203 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: and it was such a beautiful time. Um. And I 204 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: just also want to say, Darrel, I hate that that 205 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: was the case for you, um with Lion King. And 206 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: I think that is the important thing to remember that 207 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: it's all a part of you know, the white supremacy 208 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: of it all is like part of it is painting 209 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: us against each other. And and I feel like that's 210 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: such a thing that like I found in auditioning where 211 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: it's like once upon a time, you know, not even 212 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: once upon a time now sometimes you know, you go 213 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: into a call and you're like, okay, me and the 214 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: black we all hear this one. You know, we're all 215 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: were buying for this one time, like you know, and 216 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: and it's a mess. But I think it's it's ridiculous 217 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: that that happens. And you know, that's the whole thing 218 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: that we all have to figure out within ourselves and 219 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: make sure that we aren't being a part of it. 220 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,479 Speaker 1: But as it all stems back from the white supremacy 221 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: of it all, we all have to show up with 222 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: like unfortunately, it feels like and it correct me if 223 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, we show up with a hat already on, 224 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: where other people show up as themselves are allowed to, 225 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: where like we're coming with a hat on, and then 226 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: we have to put another hat on to do the 227 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: audition and then another hat on. It's like it's it's 228 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: this identity crisis, yea, And really we just need to 229 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: sing the song and that's usually not an issue and 230 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: act and be there and do the thing. And it's 231 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: unfortunate that like the exterior is always what is you know, 232 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: at the forefront. I mean this weird place currently where 233 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: I and I say weird because I feel like we're always, 234 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: as Tyler said, when we walk in the room, like 235 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: we have a hat on. We like we're preparing ourselves 236 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: for something and and and let me let me sometimes 237 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm even like, let me drop my expectations a little 238 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: bit so I don't get too disappointed or like or 239 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't get affected greatly when something doesn't happen, you know, 240 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: in the way that I'm hoping something happens. But currently, 241 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, I've been in spaces UM doing shows after 242 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic UM, and I know we've talked about this, 243 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: like you know how these spaces and these theater spaces 244 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: and how you know everybody's pretending to be a family 245 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: or not doing the work. I've actually been in the 246 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: room where I'm seeing a lot of change and UM, 247 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping it's not a fad. Right, this is 248 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: where we're like, oh, we hope this actually sticks and stays. 249 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, I've I've been working on projects that 250 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I am surrounded by more of us. I'm surrounded by 251 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: more women I and I'm not sure if that's just 252 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: the lane that I'm on. And and I've also been 253 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, saying no to some some jobs that I 254 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: just don't think will fill my cup and saying yes 255 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: to some that I think will fill my cup. Um 256 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: And maybe some of my decision and choice making has 257 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: helped me being these kind of spaces. But I'm I'm 258 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: really I've I've done now three gigs where I really 259 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: am feeling seen, I'm feeling heard, I'm feeling um um 260 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: my my that my voice in the room matters more. 261 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Um and and that's just been my experience so far. 262 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting called in for Spanish rules like what like 263 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm and then I'm I'm booking them what like 264 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: this is so it's like I'm no longer in the 265 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: last rounds of like do we want to hire an 266 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Afro latina or go down at a lighter path Like 267 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: It's it's a very strange. It's almost like I'm looking 268 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: around myself and I'm like, oh, you guys, you guys 269 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: want me to come, Oh okay, And I'm trying to 270 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: like really like plant my feet in that and like 271 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: be comfortable in this space because this is how it 272 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: should be right. We should all be I mean, we 273 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: should all be seen and all be heard and and 274 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: a part of a process, you know. And I've been 275 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: really fortunate to be in rooms that are highlighting that 276 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: joy and and and having a voice with the within 277 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: within these rooms. It's been awesome as it should be. 278 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: And I mean, just to continue the conversation, we're gonna 279 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: because we're coming up on like the time for our conversation. 280 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: This time, I want to do a spotlight lightning round. 281 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask each person a specific question. I 282 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: want you to give me your answer um to this 283 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: specific question. Okay, so we're going to start with d 284 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: M and I want to ask you what's something you 285 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: want the want the theater as an industry to understand, 286 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: to understands I love the theater industry to understand that 287 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: black people are not a monolith. We're all so unique 288 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: and we have such different experiences and bring so many 289 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: different things to the table. And you know that doesn't 290 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't mean just because Darylyn and I 291 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: are the same shade, we should be in for exactly 292 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: only the same things. For you know, that kind of 293 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: thing because I feel like that stuff happens, and I yeah, 294 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: I want I want them to understand that we're all 295 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: we're all so complex and so different and it's and 296 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. But that has to be you know, and 297 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: not recognized, acknowledged and appreciate it absolutely, and so let's 298 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: continue on. Thank you for that to Tyler, And I 299 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: want to ask you what's one thing you wish for 300 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: theater audiences? The way this question hit me, I don't know. 301 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to see a more diverse 302 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: audience of cores um you know, longer attention spans work. 303 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like like my experience within an audience 304 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: is like annoyance. Like I'm just like, how can people 305 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: not like why are you loud? Why are you checking 306 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: your phone? But like that's like the technical things. I 307 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: don't know if that's all that's looking for, but absolutely, 308 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: because here's here's the reality in a world that already 309 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: prioritizes parts of identities that do not fit mine, when 310 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: you add on to it the fact that you well, 311 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: so you already don't have an attention to span and 312 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: then society supports you and not caring about my identities. 313 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: So now you're watching me up on stage, and that's 314 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: a hat on a hat of why you don't care. 315 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: So absolutely your answers the question, because not only do 316 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: I want you to care about theater as an art 317 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: form in the experience that you're having, I certainly want 318 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: you to care about me expressing my black experience so 319 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: that when you travel out in the world, you use 320 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: that as a foundation for how you do better, see better, 321 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: are better. So thank you for that, you know, thank you, 322 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: thank you. You inspired me as well as when we 323 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: are seeing things that like and also to dance point, 324 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: like if you don't like something, that's not a model 325 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: to like all the other possible work and variety of 326 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: work that's out there. You know what I mean. I 327 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: think we like to cast general comments and everything and 328 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: we don't really give a chance to things or like 329 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's not theater, that's not BroadWare, this 330 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: is this, and that is that. Like these categories that 331 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: we all we love our boxes and it's like, well 332 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of us like makes people can check a 333 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of different boxes. And I always refer people to 334 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: the Mixed People's Bill of Rights written by Maria pp Root. 335 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: Give that a read. I love that. Um. It's about 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: identity and the agency of identity and what we can 337 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: do whenever we want to do it. Absolutely, thank you 338 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: and darry Lynn. I want to ask you what were 339 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: some role models that you had theatrically specific to your identities? Um, 340 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: even even if there's something that just popped up last week, 341 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: like we're still in process as far as our journey, 342 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: so it might not be something from when you were younger, 343 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: or it might be something from last week. So who are, 344 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: if anyone, who are your role models? Here's here's the 345 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: thing with the question, Like it's so funny because it's like, yeah, 346 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: when I was younger, it's like Audrew McDonald mother of course, 347 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: right right, the one brown woman that we had, you know, 348 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: and and and that was the mecta that could that 349 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: could you know, do all of all things. Um, that 350 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: was kind of Audre in the beginning. Um, and and 351 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: also still is of course you know, I can't say 352 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I can't not still praise Audre or I'll get canceled. 353 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I mean Audre has like a big 354 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: is really big up there for me. But I think 355 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: right now currently the inspiration has been for me the 356 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: women that I've been around, and and that goes from 357 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: the and and um, the rooms that I've been in 358 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: when I when I got to work. I'm currently working 359 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: on a play called dream House. UM. It's a straight 360 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: play about two Latin X sisters. You know, they lose 361 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: their mother and now they have to sell their family home. UM, 362 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: and they go on this h G TV show to 363 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: sell the family home. And it goes into this crazy, um, 364 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: crazy world of what we're what we're seeing now with gentrification, 365 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: with pushing people out. UM, deals with racism, it deals 366 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: with colorism in the Latino community. It deals with so 367 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: many things, um that are just at the forefront. So 368 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: right now, a lot of my inspiration has been coming 369 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: from the people that I've been in the room with 370 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: who are creating works like this, UM. The women who 371 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: are leading directing Lorie Woolery from the public, UM who 372 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: directed this piece, Eleana Pipes, who's the effort Latina play 373 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: right UM. So the inspiration that that is hitting for 374 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: me is the current the people who are currently doing 375 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: the work. And to be in the room with people 376 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: like that right now is is inspiration is very inspirational 377 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: and and to be a part of that you know, 378 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: to be a part of that that read storytelling and 379 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: and building UM in the community has been really special. 380 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: That's incredible and and important. UM. I have a question 381 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: that I'm going to respond to, and then I have 382 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: our closing kind of topic UM that I'm going to 383 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: ask everyone. So the question that I'm gonna respond to 384 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: myself is the difference in experience from playing UM roles 385 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: that are and have been historically performed by white actors 386 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: versus roles that war created historically white h i e. 387 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: You know, Founding Fathers versus Fierro. And so for me, 388 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: that experience in my career goes back to the story 389 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: I told earlier of seeing Wicked with a black vio 390 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: after seeing the play bill, listening to the album and 391 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: believing that there was no way I was going to 392 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: play Fiaro. There was no way that it was possible 393 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: for me to ever UM play roles that simply were 394 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: cast originally as white actors. And then we get a 395 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: Hamilton's that not only turns and there are obviously other 396 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: shows who have done this, but this is Founding Fathers 397 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: who were white, Alexander Hamilton's who was from the Caribbean, 398 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: and then these white people played by people of color, 399 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: and it blew up the notion that that you can't 400 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: tell stories X Y Z way. And for me, as 401 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: a person who had been told historically in my career 402 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: things like I didn't sound black when I sang? What 403 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: is that mean? Hearing things or being told or being 404 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: asked If I go in to an audition as I 405 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: used to early in my career, singing if I can't 406 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: love her from Beauty and the Beast, they would ask 407 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: me if I knew something like um let it sing 408 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: from Violet. Those are the experiences to me that we're like, oh, 409 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: this is where you are supposed to be And I 410 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: was like, no, actually, like that's that's not my jam. 411 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: Those aren't the things that are calling to me. And 412 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: then I went through this experience when I realized that 413 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: not only do like Tyler said, we have we walk 414 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: into the room with a hat on already, and that 415 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: hat is built on research. Often like we have to 416 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: know the rumor walking into where I have heard consistently 417 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: throughout my career, people say things like, oh I found 418 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: out about this audition this morning. That would never happen 419 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: for me. And so when I think about playing roles 420 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: that were historically cast white versus roles that are humans 421 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: who were white historically. I think we're in a place 422 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: now where it's more important than ever to not make 423 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: assumptions about um ability based on who performed the role 424 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: most originally, because not only are we going to continue 425 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: to get stale feater because there's nothing interesting about that, 426 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: i e. The narrative in my experience of a show 427 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: like Wicked is about race, is about discrimination. Certain people 428 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: understand that intellectually more so in my opinion, then they 429 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: understand it and emotionally, just based on our society makeup 430 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: in in this time, why would you not higher an 431 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: actor who has the ability because that's obvious and has 432 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: the added bonus of a lived experience that they can 433 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: pull upon to make the depths of that portrayal so 434 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: much more interesting. And it's not just that Beauty and 435 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: the beast. There was this big, big notoriety around this 436 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: production that had a plus sized, dark skin black woman 437 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: as Bell. She's supposed to stick out? How am I 438 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna think that pretty? That that conventionally attractive thin woman 439 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: typically played by Bell is being shunned by her town 440 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: for what for what? So? I remember I'm already checked 441 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: out because I'm like the math a math in So 442 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: for me, I want to see more more portrayals that 443 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: allow talent to come first, so that doesn't seem like 444 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: a tokenism when people cast insert identity here in a 445 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: role that was not intended or initially done that way. 446 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: Those are my thoughts around that. Well, we'd be in 447 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: a lot better position if if if we were trying 448 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: to capture the essence of these people rather than checking 449 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: exterior boxes. Because I mean, in the most humble of ways, 450 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: I've lost many of job's with quite the confusing, with 451 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: quite the confusion, right, I think we probably all have. 452 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: I've had to put a lot of things on paper 453 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: and then like it's you know, because my mind works 454 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: in a in a mathematical way. To be funny, like 455 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: what you know, our our industry is so hard because 456 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: it's so subjective and it's not you can't put it 457 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: on paper. So I try to be as aware as 458 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: possible and go, Okay, how that song go? How were 459 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: you in them scenes? Like was there a level that 460 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: you you didn't be able to let you know? Like 461 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: you you try to make sense of all of it, 462 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes like it can feel like it's it's an 463 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: exterior box, like Okay, I just couldn't. I couldn't check 464 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: that box because I'm not that thing. And those are 465 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: the hardest moments to walk away from because everything in 466 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: our being wants to check the box or do what 467 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: we can to survive and then thrive, and unfortunately it 468 00:27:49,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: doesn't always pan out that way. Absolutely. Speaking of thriving, 469 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: as you ended that, like, I think in order to thrive, 470 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: we have to set up the next generation. And so 471 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: to close out the conversation, I want us all to 472 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of speak to um, you know, what advice would 473 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: you give to your younger self and what do you 474 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: think it's important for the next generation of black theater 475 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: makers to know into practice as they come into their career, 476 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: because it is one of my part of why I 477 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: do arts education work as as a passion with my 478 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: current career as a performer, is because I think we 479 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: are dead in the water if we do not set 480 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the next generation up for success with the knowledge that 481 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: we're working with and working towards now, we have to 482 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: give ourselves our best chance. And so when I when 483 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: I work with the next generation of artists, even those 484 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: who are in the beginning stages of what will be 485 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: a long career. The things that I try to help 486 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: them understand are where where my experience has suggested that 487 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: the lies sit in our career, i e. Their programs 488 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: out there who will demand of you, condition you, beat 489 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: you down, to build you back up right. And the 490 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: sad thing is from in my experience as a person specifically, 491 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: and let me just say this as a caveat. I 492 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: didn't go to school for theater because because of the 493 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: abuse I saw in the audition process, and so then 494 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: making my way into the industry without that version of 495 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: baggage next to colleagues who did have that experience, I 496 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: became keenly aware of the what I perceived as the 497 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: bullet that I dodged, especially because once I got into 498 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: the industry that that my ace in the hole was. 499 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: The uniqueness that was not beaten out of me was 500 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: that I didn't conform. I didn't have a book that 501 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: was like crafted between six white theater professionals in in 502 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Michigan or Utah or you know, Texas. I had a 503 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: book of songs that sounded good on my voice, and 504 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: I knew they sounded good because I performed mat karaoke 505 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: and people applauded. So it's like that was my beginnings, 506 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: but it wasn't built on someone demanding of me telling 507 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: me what I was supposed to do. And so when 508 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: I think of setting up the next generation, I try 509 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: to support and implore them to find the thing that 510 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: is unique about you and crafted to perfection. Find the 511 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: thing that is the most you and that you like 512 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: about you, because if you craft that thing that you 513 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: already liked to perfection, it's infectious in my experience. To 514 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't think we need to help. I 515 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 1: don't think we need to give the younger generation advice. 516 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: I think they're yelling at us to get our fit together. Right, 517 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: my bad. I made it this far. I made it 518 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: this far, you know, because you know what the social 519 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: media world and all these things have been able to 520 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: do is you can connect with so many people so quickly, 521 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: and I think people are more authentic because of that, 522 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: or you know, they just seem more. Um So, I 523 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: think the younger generations doing just fine. And I'm gonna 524 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: also build myself in the generation because I am also young. 525 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: But you know, I think they're trying to honestly, like 526 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: call up and be like, what do y'all not get Like, 527 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm confused? That's real. Yeah, I mean I think honestly, 528 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: what you're both said, what I both said, is it. 529 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think otherwise it's like to add to 530 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: that is just what I would tell myself we could 531 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: go back. I would tell myself to trust myself, um, 532 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: and my own intuition in the moments when I I 533 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: knew that, you know, someone's trying to put something on 534 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: me that isn't authentic to me. Um, like you said 535 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: about the book thing, really, Christopher, I think like that 536 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: is such an important thing where it's like, oh, you 537 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: know my my senior showcase, someone tried a professor trying 538 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: to get me to sing uh an Effie White song 539 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: that just it was like this for me, for my 540 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: for my voice, for who I am, for where I 541 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: see what Pally just I was like, that's just not me. 542 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: But um yeah, you see black Girl and you know 543 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: so you're like, oh yeah, well how about that. Um. 544 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: So I think trusting yourself and knowing, you know, trusting yourself, 545 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: pushing yourself, experience, exploring and experimenting, because why not you know, um, 546 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: you might surprise yourself, and yeah, I think, I think 547 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: that's that's all you can do and try to be 548 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: prepared and also don't let these people drive you crazy 549 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: with like the little nit picky like whoop whop. I 550 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: remember in college I had a we had a masterclass 551 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: with someone and my my head shot got thrown out 552 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: because it was it was eight and a half by 553 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: eleven and not if I attend, and they were like, 554 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: I would just I wouldn't even look at this one. 555 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: I would throw it right into the trash. And I 556 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: was like, well that, but the computer lab gave me. 557 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: The older I got and the more comfortable I got 558 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: in my skin, and again, as we all can say, 559 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: like this is a daily battle there. You know, I'm 560 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: obviously just as insecure as the rest of everybody, but 561 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: like the more and more I reach back and try 562 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: to give any knowledge that I can to people that 563 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: are younger than myself trying to do the thing, I'm like, 564 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: just chill. Like they like hype us up to be 565 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: like this, this, this, and then it's like and then 566 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: we start to like try to break to take off 567 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: that those layers to be like, oh, just be a 568 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: little bit more grounded and chill, and it's not that 569 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: deep because it's it's not. And back to like you 570 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: saying that we're not a monolith. Like I had a 571 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: song that they wanted me to sing to be Jackie Robinson, 572 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Like what am I doing singing Jackie Robinson? Like no, 573 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: and just just you're like that's somebody, it's for somebody, 574 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's like we're taught to like check 575 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: boxes like oh, that's for you. It's like, well, what 576 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: is my essence and what is the character's essence? And 577 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: like if you know, you don't always have to match 578 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: those things, but like what things can I bring? What 579 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: things do I have to substitute cultivate? You know what 580 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like that is the work that we 581 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: should be doing rather and that would also be a 582 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: human level opposed to being like, oh you're this it's 583 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: like no, Like I know my friend Darylyn is a 584 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: compassionate human being. I know these things I know take 585 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: away the exterior. I know this human being soul or 586 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: x y Z and those are the things that I 587 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: can connect with it, and those are the things that 588 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: I would want her to find. And this character, this 589 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: kid you know what I mean. And I would also 590 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: tell my younger self to look for the difference between 591 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: people who know what they want and are open to 592 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: artistic expression versus the people who are way for you 593 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: to inspire their vision. Because to me and my experience, 594 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: there are times when I walk into the room and 595 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: I I am a black gay man, and then I 596 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: walk into the room and I can be auditioning for anything, 597 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: and there are certain people who will absolutely not allow 598 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: me to check into my technique because they already see 599 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: black gay man in their opinion in front of them. 600 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, but you didn't. I didn't start my song, 601 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: I didn't do the scene, I didn't start the mom 602 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: I didn't dance a two steps. So please stop waiting 603 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: for me to walk in as the thing you haven't 604 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: decided you needed yet. Come in with your vision and 605 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: be open to how I interpret your vision, you know, 606 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: so that we can find the best art together. Yeah. 607 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: I have to agree with everything that everything that's being said, um, 608 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: and support all your words. Um. I think when I 609 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: when I teach and when I'm working with a younger generation, 610 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: I guess we've reached those at that age, right, guys, 611 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: we're like I don't know what Tyler and Tyler my 612 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: last name is young, so though I might be older, 613 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to ride that young last night, right, But 614 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: it is so interesting now like being in the place 615 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: where we are and then like seeing the younger you 616 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: know generation kunks. I feel Tyler like the younger generation 617 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: is fine. They are like they are coming in being 618 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: themselves and now we're opening our arms where I think 619 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: for us, like we weren't we didn't have that we 620 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: didn't have. I was told to not pronounce my last 621 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: name Castillo, and which is how you pronounced my last name? 622 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: I was told to pronounce it castillo. I don't know, 623 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: because it will, you know, help not confuse people, like 624 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like I'm trying to teach 625 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: myself how to just walk in the room and like 626 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: be myself, like to trust that. I have this motto 627 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: that I always like live. I have a tattooed on 628 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: my body and I have it all over my website 629 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: and everything. But always trust your voice. And that's something 630 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: that I always I always try to remind myself, and 631 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: that I try to remind if the younger generation if 632 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm in the room, and that's what needs to be said. 633 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: You know, I feel like just trusting your voice and 634 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: trusting your yourself. Um. And I wish I told my 635 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: younger self to trust myself more, um, to take up 636 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: more space when I could have, you know, or yeah, 637 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: even at two pm on a Sunday matinee. Uh yes, 638 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: trust it, trust it And that name thing is real 639 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: because people will say Timothy shallowmate to the cows come home, 640 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 1: but too much heavens. Yeah, thank you all for sharing 641 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: so much of yourselves, and thank you for that last part, 642 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: especially because again though I agree absolutely the younger generation, 643 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: they are so much more understanding of themselves and prepared 644 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: to come in with that than I think we were 645 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 1: able to be in our time. Um. But I also 646 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: believe they will be the most powerful with the knowledge 647 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: of the enemy they face and the enemy I'm referring 648 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: to as the industry at large, because while they might 649 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: come in armed with themselves, there is no book on 650 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: theater professionally, there's no book on on Broadway. And so 651 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean there are books, but not, in my opinion, 652 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: books that I've read that are true, um, because they 653 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: can't be there. The experiences are too expansive. So yeah, 654 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: as we like wrap up this conversation, Thank you again 655 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: everyone for being here today, for this incredible conversation in 656 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: honor of Black History Month, and to close us out, 657 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: give us final words. Everyone. Let's start with Dianna and 658 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: then what us go on around and give us final 659 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: thoughts on awards. Um, final words, I I mean, I 660 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: just want to say, this was so this was so nice. 661 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: And again it's like being in rooms like this and 662 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: you just feel comfortable and free to to be yourself. UM. 663 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: So thank you all for for this space and for 664 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: joining in and having this dialogue. And we all we 665 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: don't make it, you know, yes, yeah, I echo that 666 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: this has been a great space. And and as simple 667 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: as this is, I say keep going because it can 668 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: mean so much in many different moments. Absolutely, I mean 669 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: for me, UM, I think my final thought is just 670 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: be honest with yourself and with yourself to others, because 671 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: how can we be convincing as other people if we 672 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: are not convincing as ourselves. So if you walk into 673 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: a theatrical space and today you're like I hurt today, 674 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: be honest about that so you can be honest about 675 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: the person you're about to interpret. UM. Because that is 676 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: the beginning of the healing I think for our industry 677 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: and for for ourselves. And so yeah, Darylynn, go and 678 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: close us out. No, yeah, I think. Um, I'm really 679 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: happy that you know, we've we got to partner um 680 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: and do this because I think it's really important for 681 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: people to understand that we all don't have the same experiences. 682 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: We're all we all have different experiences, and um that 683 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: needs to be highlighted and shown. And UM, I want 684 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: us to just continue widening our lenses m hmm, not 685 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: only to walk and walk in and to take space 686 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: and make space for ourselves, but also to make sure 687 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: we're listening to each other. Um yeah, because I think 688 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 1: we can talk, but listening it takes a different skill set. 689 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic, Thank you everybody. Yeah. Mon Anita is a 690 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: production of Sonato and partnership with I Heart Radios Michael 691 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: Guapo Cast Network. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, 692 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 693 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.