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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, guess who I.

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Speaker 1: To rewatch with me our producer technician extraordinaire Easton.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Kristin, it's so great to be back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: I'm such a big fan.

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Speaker 1: I know you're the sweetest, sweetest fan. He knows so much,

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Speaker 1: you guys, he knows more than I know. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like when I don't remember things, he remembers things,

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Speaker 1: which is so helpful.

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Speaker 2: And this is fun because.

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Speaker 1: This is our first episode of the fourth season, which,

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Speaker 1: as you've heard me say, I think of as an

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Speaker 1: extended version of the third season. Like if you ask

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Speaker 1: me about the fourth season, I just draw a total blank.

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Speaker 1: But of course when I watched the episodes like these

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Speaker 1: are some of the best episodes, I thought they were

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Speaker 1: all in episode season three, but no, we are now

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Speaker 1: in season four and we come out with.

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Speaker 3: A bang bang, And.

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Speaker 1: These are where both the four oh one and four

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Speaker 1: oh two are both written and directed by Michael Patrick King,

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Speaker 1: which is how he likes to roll and how he

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Speaker 1: then ended up doing our films. And just like that

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Speaker 1: we are this is the first time I believe that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing him writing and directing both. So writing directing

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Speaker 1: Basically, you know your prep, your post, all of the casting.

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Speaker 2: You know you're in it.

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Speaker 1: But that's how he loves to be, right, and he

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Speaker 1: wrote such beautiful episodes and they're so different, and apparently

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Speaker 1: we aired them together, which is also really smart of

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Speaker 1: HBO because they are kind of different, like the Agony

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Speaker 1: in the Ecstasy. The first one is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more introspective, Harry's turning thirty five, she's thinking about soulmates.

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Speaker 1: And then the next one is the real Me with

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Speaker 1: have that fashion show in the middle of it. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And this one, I mean I didn't remember half of

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Speaker 2: I was really into watching it and it was really

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Speaker 1: I did not remember that poor Carrie goes to her

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that part is so Harvey you carry,

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Speaker 1: She really takes it well. But what I remember, I'll

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Speaker 1: That I Charlotte go to Carrie's apartment when we haven't

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of construction work on Fifth Avenue right.

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this episode, The Agony in the Ecstasy.

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Speaker 1: Did you tell me that you just rewatched this, like separately,

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Speaker 3: And and I I mean, and we'll get to it.

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Speaker 3: But it's just one of those episodes that so there's

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Speaker 1: It's a good payoff. It's a good payoff that you

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Speaker 2: So many things going on. Yes, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing is, as an actor, you could

440
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 1: have made that easier, but Sarah Jessica will never make

441
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: it easier.

442
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 2: She'll ask for more props.

443
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: Like she's so skilled at it and she knows that

444
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: the way to do it well is to make it hard.

445
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: And she can also always match her actions, which is impressive, right,

446
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: But that watching I was like, the bag is open,

447
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 1: the skirt is up, the heels are are they sinking

448
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: into the street? Like I was so concerned on so

449
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: many levels. And then I was like, leave the cake,

450
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: Leave the cake. I'd forgotten all of this, And I

451
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: think that should be a meme. I don't know if

452
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: it is, but I think that should be a meme

453
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: of like, your day's going horribly wrong. Right, your day

454
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: has gone really horribly wrong, and your birthday cake that

455
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: you have alone as you're walking down the street is

456
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: now in the newly paved fifth Avenue.

457
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Speaker 3: Before she gives the uh, or before she's told she

458
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 3: has to pay for the cake, when she's sitting in

459
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 3: the restaurant, she thinks everyone's late. She doesn't, she doesn't

460
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 3: been there that long, thinks everyone's late, and then they

461
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 3: bring another cake out for somebody else. That part got

462
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: me because it's a very big cake and they're bringing

463
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: to a table of two people.

464
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: Tell that, but there's like ten people bringing the cake,

465
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: so it's like a surprise.

466
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 2: But where are all those people gonna sit meat?

467
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was confused, but it was I think this

468
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 1: might have happened to Michael Patrick. I feel like there's

469
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: an actual story that relates to this that they used.

470
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: And we'll have to ask him when he comes back.

471
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I do think there's a real story, which

472
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: is just, of course, so sad, so sad to think about.

473
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: I know, birthdays are so funny because you really, like,

474
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, you get built up in such ways. I mean,

475
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm ancient, right, so I don't really care about my birthday,

476
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: but my kids really really care.

477
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: But we were supposed to have a call and I

478
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: was picking up my own birthday cake, and it did

479
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: make me laugh. I didn't remember this episode, but I was.

480
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: I guess I'm driving to pick up my own birthday

481
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 1: cake so that my kids will be disappointed. I know,

482
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of silly, but whatever whatever makes it kids happy,

483
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: it's good, right, Okay, So she's I also love that

484
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: the little thing she wears on her head, and then

485
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: you know that she's getting really despondent when she takes

486
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: that little velvet.

487
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: Whatever the heck you would call that off her head.

488
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: Which also, I feel like it's been a while since

489
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: Carrie's wearing a hat. Yes, Like I don't know how

490
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: why they gave up on the hats, but I love

491
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: to see a hat come back, because you know what

492
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: makes her happy, right, And then she takes it off

493
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: and she's just playing with the velvet thing. You know,

494
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: she's just like, oh, I'm so despondent, I can't even

495
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: wear my hat, which is sad. So then she gets

496
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: home and there's fourteen messages, and then we hear everyone's

497
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: different version of where they are and why they didn't

498
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: make it. And for Stannie, is it some you know,

499
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant.

500
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: Or something.

501
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 1: Really funny, really really funny. I hadn't remembered any of that,

502
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: but I did remember that. Then Charlotte, I have a key,

503
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: and I let myself and she's in the shower and

504
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: her best carriage like majorly dramatically down her face. I

505
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: was like, wow, so impressive and very sweetly, thank goodness,

506
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: I come and convince her to come to the coffee shop.

507
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: Thank God. Right, this is the.

508
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Kind of friend we all need, Yes, definitely, And we

509
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: get down there, and this is when I say, maybe

510
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: we can be each other's soulmates, and then we could

511
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: let men be these great nice guys to have fun with.

512
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Good calls Charlotte, Thank goodness, A very deep insight on

513
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: Charlotte's part.

514
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, one of the iconic section of the entire

515
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: show Sex and the City. That is one of those

516
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: I know.

517
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I thought we were on

518
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 1: this stoop when I said it.

519
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what I.

520
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Thought, Like I get the different important things mixed up sometimes,

521
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, And I hadn't remembered that it was in

522
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: this context. But leading up to it, I was wondering, wait,

523
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: am I about to say it? I wasn't sure. But

524
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: like Samantha is even upset, like everyone's upset because Carrie's upset,

525
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: and because Carrie admits that it feels really bad not

526
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: to have a guy who thinks she's special on her birthday,

527
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: which is just kind of baneful, but I want to

528
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: be like it's oh.

529
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 2: It's okay, Carrie.

530
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: So then we have this amazing, you know, kind of

531
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: bonding situation at the coffee shop and she's walking home

532
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: in a different cape. I believe we have two capes

533
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: in this episode. It's pretty exciting, pretty exciting times.

534
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: We're walking home and.

535
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: She looks pretty happy, which I was really happy about, right,

536
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: Like she's to the place of like, yes, the day

537
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: took twist and turns or whatever, but I'm happy, which

538
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: is so great. And that's when she sees Big Scar

539
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: and BIG's driver Raoul smoking.

540
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: His cigarette and it is adorable. And I had forgotten

541
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: the balloons come out. Yeah, it was really charming. And

542
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: then at the end of the show, I think we

543
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: do a photo shoot with Ellen von Arnworth where we

544
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: had Sarah walking across the bridge. Maybe it was for

545
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: the last season. She's walking the Brooklyn Bridge with balloons.

546
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: And I took pictures of it myself, like personal pictures,

547
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: and I sent her one in a frame one time. Yeah, yeah,

548
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: and I think they're red and I had not remembered

549
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: that there was a reason why or whatever, you know,

550
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: And it's a very very charming scene. And you know

551
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: how I have mixed feelings about Big but he was

552
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: at his most charming and kind of like adorably like

553
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: on the one hand, suite that he brought champagne and

554
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: he brought balloons and he would kind of know what

555
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: she would need, right. And on the other hand, she

556
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: doesn't know how old he is because apparently he hasn't

557
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: told her, which is interesting.

558
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 3: There was I was looking online and some people are

559
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: saying that like he he references it or in an

560
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: earlier episoit like she does know. Oh, I guess he

561
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: references it earlier. I don't know, but someone tell us, yeah, yeah,

562
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's interesting.

563
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, remember how we don't know his whole name

564
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: either till the end, but then you don't know if

565
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: she knew. We just don't say it, right, Like there's

566
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: mysteries about it, right, which I think is good.

567
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: I like that because this is TV.

568
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think about when I

569
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: watch it back is like, you know, in the year

570
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, like what was on regular television sitcoms?

571
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: You know, not that there's anything wrong with them, they're

572
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: hard to do, right, but like friends, was on, you know, Seinfeld,

573
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I think was done by this point.

574
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say like.

575
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: Gilmour Girls had just started, Yes.

576
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Like everybody loves Raymond, like things like that were on, right,

577
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: So this was very very very different, you know, very

578
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: very different, and I think important, Like like on television,

579
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: they wanted you to explain things, and I think what

580
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: was nice is that our writers had the nerve, you know,

581
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: the strength to be like, we're not going to explain that,

582
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: and we're not going to explain these people's parents, and

583
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: we're not going to show where they came from. We're

584
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: not going to talk about it. We're not going to

585
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: tell you how old Big is, and you know, so

586
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: many different things.

587
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: Yes, right, and that's why that's one of many reasons

588
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: I love this show, and like and Sopranos is the

589
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: same thing they give. They treat the audience with respect

590
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: and like the audience are intelligent people that can think

591
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: about what's happening.

592
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: And you don't need to be like I just spoon feeding.

593
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: The ham fisted exposition just kills me in movies and

594
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: television drives me crazy. I agree, and and this is

595
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: just so nice to I.

596
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: Agree, But I do think too.

597
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: If you think about it, I think, like, yes, streaming

598
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: has upended our business but also allowed so many more

599
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: shows like that to exist, you know, yes, because people

600
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: are going to find their show that they like, right,

601
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: So like you can, like I haven't. Pluribus seemed really

602
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: upsetting to me, so I didn't continue watching it. But

603
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: like they just throw you right in. Yeah, there's no explanation.

604
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: You're just like, Okay, we're in a lab. There's a pandemic.

605
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening, right, Like, I mean, yeah,

606
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I like that. That's that's bold and brave. It was

607
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: too anxiety provoking for me to get through, but that

608
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: that's me. That's on me, not on them, right, you

609
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But I think that that actress

610
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: is great. But I love to look back, and I'm

611
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: reminded of the times so much when I'm looking at it,

612
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: because New York looks so different and so charming and

613
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: small in a weird way.

614
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Right.

615
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: And also I technically know how many years ago it

616
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: was because obviously I'm alive then.

617
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: And I'm alive now, right. But on the other hand,

618
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: it's timeless.

619
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's timeless I think because we didn't do

620
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: all those things, you know, because we didn't overly explain.

621
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: We didn't like there's still things like that she doesn't

622
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: have a cell phone. There's things that tell tell us

623
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: that it was the year two thousand and one, but

624
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: not overly. So yes, yeah, absolutely, it's interesting. It's interesting

625
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: to look at Yeah, yeah, okay, so we're we're what

626
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: were your thoughts about Carrie here when she's talking about soulmates?

627
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: You that you are happily married and have found your soulmate.

628
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: Which do you think about this conversation.

629
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: I'm in the camp that there are there you can

630
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: have multiple soulmates. I don't think everyone just has a wine.

631
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: Me too, because I always think it's funny to think, like,

632
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: isn't that crazy that there's one person who's meant for

633
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: you and they went to your college, you know, like.

634
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Crazy?

635
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But but I do believe in you know, when

636
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: I got married, we had a friend of ours read

637
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: that I'm trying to remember the name of it. There's

638
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: like a Greek story about the gods split the man

639
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: was too powerful and they splut him into two like that,

640
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: and then they spend the eternity looking for your other half.

641
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: I like the idea of a soulmate. I do think

642
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: you can have more than one. And I think that

643
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: when you I think it's abundantly clear to one, when

644
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: you meet that person that unlocks that part of you.

645
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's that's how I feel any my own

646
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: experience that.

647
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: M gosh, that's interesting to think about. That's well put.

648
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: I think that's really nice, and I think that's really

649
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: incredible that you feel that way.

650
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky though.

651
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: You're very lucky for sure. I mean.

652
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I know when I was younger. When

653
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: I was younger, though, I was kind of cynical about relationships,

654
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: which I know is weird because I play Charlotte, right,

655
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: But like I was like, I'm never getting married, I'm

656
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: never doing this, I'm never doing that because I don't know.

657
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: I just felt like there was so much pressure on everybody,

658
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't want to do that, right.

659
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't like the idea that you would be

660
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: with someone because you felt like you should. I felt

661
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: like you should want to be with that person and

662
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that person should want to be with you, not because

663
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: like you're going to fit into some traditional convention, you know.

664
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: But I do think I don't know if I really

665
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: believed in soulmates. I'm not sure that I did.

666
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Like, like, I don't know that I've ever said like

667
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: I met X person and they unlocked, But I don't

668
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: know that I've ever felt that way, which is interesting.

669
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I've definitely felt passionately, passionately in love. But I mean,

670
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much on life, you know what I'm saying,

671
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm an open, open, open person. But then you

672
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: can find that person that gets you yes in a

673
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: really unique way, which is powerful, very much like when

674
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: they understand you. But that doesn't really mean it's going

675
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: to work out, you know, which is always my thing

676
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: that I come back to.

677
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: But I'm really happy for you that it's working out.

678
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy for everyone else that is working out for

679
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: And the only thing I want to say is that

680
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: I hope that it like I do feel. And this

681
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: is now from you know, being older, like my friends

682
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: who are in relationships that I admire long term you know,

683
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: marriages and whatnot. It takes work, yeah, you know, like

684
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: it might have been so magical and amazing and easy

685
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: in the beginning, but like at a certain point that's

686
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: not going to be how it is exactly right, and

687
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: then like do you love that person and care about

688
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: your relationship enough that you're going to work on it?

689
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: And that has to be true for both people.

690
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: And this might be kind of out there, but Donna

691
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: Hue Phil Donna Hue and his wife wrote a book

692
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: about Marlo Thomas Thomas who was mentioned in this episode

693
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: Wheels within Wheels. They wrote a book about their long

694
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: marriage and they bring up the there's like a stat

695
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: that I don't even know if this is true or not,

696
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: but that all of your cells in your body regenerate

697
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: after seven years. I think you're biologically a completely different person, right, So,

698
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: like they were saying, like every seven years we do

699
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: like a major check in with each other, like change

700
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: have we grown?

701
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

702
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: I think about that all the time.

703
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: That's impressive.

704
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's amazing. That's very amazing. And I think

705
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: that those kinds of things are the things that we

706
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: should be holding up in culture to say like, oh, look,

707
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: this is what it takes.

708
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Like.

709
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: You can't just coast exactly, you know, you have to

710
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: think about like what am I doing here?

711
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: Have I grown? Have I not grown? Could I grow more?

712
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Should I ask? My partner, what they think, you know,

713
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: like different things.

714
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: That and that's for men and women everybody, right, Yep,

715
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting to think about anyways.

716
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Enough about that, but I do think I.

717
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Do think that people really do torture themselves over this

718
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: idea of soulmates. Absolutely, and it can be a harmful

719
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: ideal that you're somehow trying to live up to or whatever.

720
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know, you know, like that something's going

721
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: to be like hing, you know, that's your soul mad

722
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: you know what?

723
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I know.

724
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: I always think about people that meet someone and they're

725
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: everything is perfect, but then there's like one like like

726
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: there's one glaring issue or something and they're like, oh,

727
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: this is is this personal macelemated? If they were, they

728
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't have this part of them.

729
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: But see this issue with this is what's ever going

730
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: to be perfect?

731
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: Perfect? Right? See, Like that's where I get hung up.

732
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: Because in me and but this is my whole problem

733
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: is like I think I can work with anything, right,

734
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's okay, I can deal like that crazy thing.

735
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I can do with that crazy thing because the vibe

736
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: is so good. No, that's a terrible idea. Yes, a

737
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: terrible idea. This is why I'm single. Well, it's one

738
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: of the reasons i'm single. I have like so much

739
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: room for everybody's stuff. It's bad bad don't have too

740
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: much room. Yes, I mean, that's one thing I like

741
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: about Charlotte.

742
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: And I did just see something that the day on

743
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: Instagram because everyone's always well not everyone, but like people

744
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: on my feed because obviously I do. This podcast someone

745
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: was talking about how Charlotte knew what she wanted and

746
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: she held onto her standards, but she wasn't afraid to try, right,

747
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: so she dated so many people, yes, and was like,

748
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: you know, she'd get upset like, oh, this one wants

749
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: me to do this and I don't know if I should.

750
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: And then this one wants to do this, I don't

751
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: know if I should, and you know, there was all that,

752
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: but then also pretty quick she'd be like, yeah, no,

753
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.

754
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like pretty quickly without being

755
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: particularly crushed, Like I don't think that. Charlotte was like

756
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: it's me, Yeah, it's me, I'm the problem.

757
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: She wasn't really doing that, which I think is impressive,

758
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: very much sir right, But I didn't really I don't

759
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: know that I realized that at the time. Like the

760
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: strength of her you know, it's good, it's good. I

761
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: like it looking back, it's very interesting. And then also

762
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, like we'll get to the tray

763
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: of it all, but you know the fact that she's intact,

764
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: she's gotten the thing, she's gotten married, it's not going great.

765
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: And is she going to torture herself? No, it's kind

766
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: of amazing. You think she'd be home just sobbing.

767
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: Yes. No, she is very open to being separated and

768
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: potentially says when.

769
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: We go back to the city, we should take time

770
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: off because he's just playing that tennis and he won't

771
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: talk to her. You know, it's interesting.

772
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: No, Charlotte's super fascinating. I think all of the characters

773
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: are super fascinating.

774
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: That's the other thing I think when I look back,

775
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: especially on like really meaty episodes like these two that

776
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: we start the fourth season with, all the characters are fascinating. Yes,

777
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's really good writing.

778
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: It's incredible. They're so multi dimensional. There's so many different

779
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: parts of them that everyone can relate to.

780
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: And somehow, somehow we let it breathe, like like we

781
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: don't have enough time, like when you think about everything

782
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: that happens in each episode and they're not that long,

783
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: but there's breath in it.

784
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: There's like time for you to kind of be with them.

785
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I don't know how we did it. It's

786
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: hard to do.

787
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: But okay, let's move on from Carrie to poor Charlotte.

788
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Poor Charlotte, Oh my gosh.

789
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: She's at that party.

790
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Man, she talks that woman's ear off because the person says,

791
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: where's your husband?

792
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: It would make me laugh in a way though.

793
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: It was I love that moment. It is, yes, it's

794
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: like it I feel bad for Charlotte, but it's so

795
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: it's so funny and it's like delivered so well, thank you,

796
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: and I just I love the two women don't talk.

797
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: Don't talk to her, I know. And then poor Charlotte.

798
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because like I would be like really

799
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: devastated if I heard someone say that.

800
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 2: Charlotte's just kind of like oh, and then she.

801
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: You could see the wheels turning and then she's like, oh,

802
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I need to go to trays and I've got my

803
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: list right and I'm wearing this dress that I remember

804
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: there being.

805
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: That was what I was gonna say earlier.

806
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I spit it out because I

807
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: go to the party, then I go to Tray's, then

808
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: we end up having this like weird you know, makeout

809
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: session in the hallway, right, And there's a lot of

810
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: stress about what that dress would be and it ends

811
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: up I think it's blue marine as the brand is

812
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: like this little polka dot, you know, polka dot.

813
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: It's very Charlotte. It's navy. But there's a lot of

814
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: stress like was it dressy enough for the party? Was it?

815
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Like it was a lot of one of those outfits.

816
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: And because I wear it like the whole episode almost,

817
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, till the the end Carrie's birthday, and I

818
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: think I have it hanging in my closet, which because

819
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: it's very wearable, you know, though in reality, I can't

820
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: really wear polka dots because they're so Charlotte, like unless

821
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I want to be unless i'm you know, like at

822
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: a workie kind of a thing.

823
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you got a Starbucks like that, it's

825
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: like Charlotte's here.

826
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you would not. I would not.

827
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: And they're also kind of fancy, right, so it's not

828
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: my Starbucks where but I do think I have that

829
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: one hanging because I did really like it. But when

830
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: I go to Trey's and I'm banging on the door,

831
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I didn't remember what happened. I was really hoping we

832
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: were going to have some good sex.

833
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, no, so sad.

834
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: So I think back to Kyle said like, oh, I

835
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: you know, when they pitched me the character, it's like, oh,

836
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: he's a doctor, like you know, he tells that story

837
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: and then oh, and then you find out he's in

838
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: potent or whatever, like the high than the low. And

839
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this moment because you're banging on

840
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: the door. He comes down the hall. He's got his

841
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: robe up and he looks great, like yeah, he's got

842
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: absolute ye. I'm like, oh my god, Kyle, He's like yeah.

843
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: And then and then it ends with him prematurely.

844
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: Sad, so incredibly sad.

845
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: Right, Charlotte may get you a hanky, I.

846
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Know, I know.

847
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: And then and then I just look at him like

848
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: and there's some voiceover about how he always has good man.

849
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: It's really tragic, it is, And if I were Charlotte,

850
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I would be way more upset.

851
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: But it's good that she's not right.

852
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: It's good that she's just like, well I tried it

853
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: and it didn't work, or maybe I should still try it.

854
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: But also it's so cute that she's got her list,

855
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like she's trying trying.

856
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: We can't talk about my list if you have a boner.

857
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: I think that was a Yes, that's definitely definitely what

858
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: she said. It's like high school, but that's okay, you

859
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's funny in a way,

860
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: like the innocence, but then also they just don't have

861
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: the skills.

862
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and he doesn't really want to talk.

863
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: And she's trying to say, like, but you know, is

864
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: it because we're not married and because I'm unattainable and

865
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: he's just.

866
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, you know, he's like he is

867
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: a little frustrating. Yes, we're going to talk about.

868
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: The Fryer now, which I think we're still trying to

869
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: find Cossus Mandelora.

870
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I really hope we find him. I love him. He's incredible.

871
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: I really one hundred percent thought that Samantha was going

872
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: to seduce friar fuck as she calls him, but I apparently.

873
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: Know No, he maintains his vows, which is impressive.

874
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: Okay, and I really like this change, like to see

875
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: Samantha really going after it. You don't even saying like

876
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: shifting or game depending on that. He hasn't really like

877
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: succeeded yet, you know, he hasn't bitten yet, right, And

878
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: she changes it up and she goes and she takes

879
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: the canned goods, and I mean he's just so beautiful,

880
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, to look at that, you totally get. And

881
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: I think the unobtainable thing is also part of it

882
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: for her, right, and he's got his you know, beautiful

883
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: brown friar.

884
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: Outfit on her robe. I guess right.

885
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: It's all very very likable, and it's so interesting that

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't compromise at all.

887
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: I liked it very much.

888
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of like a Mandela effect for me.

889
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: I really could have if you hook me up to

890
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: a light attector. I watched this episode a year ago,

891
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: I would have been like, oh, yeah, they have sex,

892
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: like definitely.

893
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I know, because I just don't think we're ever used

894
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: to Samantha not succeeding, you know what I mean, it

895
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't really happen. And also like Costas is just

896
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: so sexy also that you that's part of it. I

897
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: think is that you kind of it's like tangible, and

898
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: I think that's her, that's Samantha's feeling, you know. Also,

899
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: so she thinks she's going to succeed and that's why

900
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: she goes to a master base for two and a

901
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: half hours or whatever she says hysterical, But yeah, she doesn't,

902
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: which is really nuts. And I did have part of

903
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: me where I was wondering, like did we ever have

904
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: an alternate ending?

905
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: Like was this always the way? I'm not sure.

906
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to ask Michael Patrick and or a

907
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: Costas mandalor so Costas if you can hear us, please

908
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: please come on. He's out in the world working somewhere.

909
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. We're trying to find him because he's great.

910
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: And wait, were you telling me? So? What is his

911
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: other thing?

912
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: I knew him already, but I can't remember how. But

913
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: I knew him already before he was on the show,

914
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: but I can't remember why or how.

915
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: He's in two of the Saw movies, if not three.

916
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: He's at least wait, he's not the killer.

917
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: Well what, I've never seen a Saw movie.

918
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: He is a detective in Saw four or five, and

919
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: I believe six is a detective. He is a detective,

920
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: but the detective gets seduced by the power this killer has. Yes,

921
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry if I'm spoiling Saw four for you better.

922
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: Wow, she's in multiple multiple he didn't know this. This

923
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: is interesting.

924
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: Because the the jig Saw killer in Saw hunts down

925
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: people that don't appreciate the life they've been given, and

926
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: then he puts them in these traps and like, how

927
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: how far will you go to live? Like, you know,

928
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: you have to dig a there's a lock around you

929
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: and the key is behind your eyeball.

930
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: And that's horrible.

931
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: Also, Costas plays a detective who sees it as a

932
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: way to like extract justice on people that the system has, like, oh,

933
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: this person killed a child and gone away with it. Okay, yeah,

934
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get it.

935
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: I get it.

936
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gruesome.

937
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: It's so interesting.

938
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: But I remember so vividly watching Saw and going that's friar.

939
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we need to talk to Costas, like

940
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: what was it like to play friar fuck and then

941
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: have people talk to you?

942
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, because that is a really different role on

943
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: our show, so different, very different.

944
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: He can be such a tough, brooding guy in the

945
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 3: saw movies and then he's this like sexy cool man

946
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 3: of God in uh Insex and the City.

947
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean he was on something.

948
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: I because when during the nineties when I was trying

949
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: to work, I came across so many people, right, like

950
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: so so so many people, and I definitely knew Castus

951
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: and I just can't remember he.

952
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: Was on picket Fences and this was a great show.

953
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: But I wasn't on pick Up then, So I just

954
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't know where I met him, but I met

955
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: him somehow. I knew him so nice, super nice guy.

956
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: So I'm happy that he's out there working somewhere. I

957
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: need an update. Costas, please come on and give us

958
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: an update. Yeah, it is pretty funny when Samantha goes

959
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: and talks to us about how she masturbated for two

960
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: and a half hours or whatever, and then everyone has

961
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: to discuss who they masturbate to. And the Russell Crowe moment.

962
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: What did you think of that?

963
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: I wrote? I was taking notes last night. I wrote

964
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: down Russell Crowe. Lol, that's what I wrote. Do I

965
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: love these moments where you're like, oh, yeah, he was

966
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: like one of the They also say George Clooney as

967
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: that comes up of course, you know, Russell crow is like,

968
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: oh he's I know, was this had Gladiator come out?

969
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: I think it's Gladiatord time. We should check when did

970
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: the Gladiator the first Gladiator?

971
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Just those two thousand maybe.

972
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, because yeah, this is two thousand and one,

973
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: it would have makes sense. We used to see a

974
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: lot of Russell Crowe too, in the awards and whatnot.

975
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: One time I was on a talk show when he

976
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: was there. It might have been kne He was very

977
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: nice to us. His ex wife loved the show, so

978
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: he was always very complimentary. And there's other stories, but

979
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: I really shouldn't tell you, but very nice, very very nice,

980
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: very nice, very nice, very interesting man.

981
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: Very interesting man, very interesting.

982
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Hannah doesn't have anything to say, Wendy, Gladiator come

983
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: out two thousand?

984
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: You were right, very good, very good. Easton Christ knows

985
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: everything you dot.

986
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: I do remember that there was some discussion about who

987
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: we should say. Really yeah, I think there was another

988
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: time where we had to say somebody, and there was

989
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: a discussion also to make sure that we were all

990
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: cool and we were kind of all putting in our

991
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: two cents or whatever.

992
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: You know.

993
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting though, because Charlotte doesn't say anything about

994
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Russell Crow.

995
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: No, she has one person in mind. I know, I really,

996
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: I just want to play it really quick. I love

997
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: the sweater you're wearing at that scene thought lunch.

998
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: It's like a.

999
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: Pink Oh, it's bright.

1000
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck was it? Yeah? You're so funny.

1001
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: I told you I wore a sweater for you today

1002
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: because I knew I was trying to do, because I

1003
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: do think of you. When I picked my sweaters, I

1004
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: was wondering to myself, what the heck am I wearing?

1005
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: It is the most thickest, like pink chunk of school

1006
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: or whatever crashed me or I.

1007
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: Don't know what it is. I don't own it.

1008
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering because usually Pat would put me in

1009
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: like super tight things, you know.

1010
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: But I think that was a coffee shop.

1011
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes if you have a coffee shop and you

1012
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: don't have a scene before it or write after it,

1013
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: that's the only time you'll wear it. So it's more

1014
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: about the pop of color in the mix, because you

1015
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: have to think about how everyone's outfits go together, which

1016
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: is a whole situation obviously, and other people might have

1017
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: scenes before or after, right, So if I was only

1018
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: at the coffee shop, then it would only matter that

1019
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: I had a bright color on. But to me, you

1020
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: know what I was thinking when I saw At first,

1021
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: I was seeing what the heck am I wearing? Then

1022
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: I was like, that's very very chunky. Then I thought

1023
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: to myself, this is confusing because is that pink a

1024
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: pink that a winter would wear. Because there's a lot

1025
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: of debate in my own head and also on Instagram

1026
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: about whether I'm a winter or.

1027
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: Like an autumn, I want to say, I'm.

1028
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: Very confused, very confused, And when I get dressed to

1029
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: come on the podcast, I'm like, I don't know what colorwhere?

1030
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I used to think I was a winter.

1031
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: Like my whole life, I thought I was a winter

1032
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: and I could wear solid white. But then they're telling me, no, no,

1033
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: don't wear solid white. So then I'm supposed to wear

1034
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: not solid white. But I don't think it looks great.

1035
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: What do you think these are the present estions?

1036
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: It's so I'm really I mean, the whole winter, autumn,

1037
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: summer thing, it's it's it is challenging. Is I think

1038
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: this pink looks great on you?

1039
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: Okay?

1040
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: The sweater you have on also looks great on you.

1041
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm not washed out, No, no, not at all.

1042
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

1043
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: I think if you've been wearing like like I'm wearing

1044
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: a white right and it looks.

1045
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: Good, you might be a winter or maybe an autumn.

1046
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1047
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: There are people that do these analysis, that's their job. Yes, yeah,

1048
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: we should get you to one of those people.

1049
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: Well, they have done a thing on me. This is

1050
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: why I'm confused.

1051
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Right, they have done a little video. I saved it

1052
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: so that I could reference it.

1053
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Pat Field?

1054
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that Pat and Molly ascribe to this, okay.

1055
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: And I talked to my stylis, Samantha McMillan also, and

1056
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: she said that she thinks it's interesting, but that sometimes

1057
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: they're wrong, which I also do agree with, because sometimes

1058
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: they'll do people like from an award show, and they'll

1059
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: have what they wore and then they'll color it a

1060
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: different color that they think would be better for them,

1061
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, see, isn't that better, and you're like, no,

1062
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: it's not better?

1063
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: Like no, right, Like they don't generally like black.

1064
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: Only winters should wear black, And I really think I'm

1065
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: a winter And if you are going to tell me

1066
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: that I cannot wear black, I may ignore you. You

1067
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like you can't take her black

1068
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: from us, like it's just wrong, you know, like it's upsetting.

1069
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: But when we get into the other colors, I am open, right, So,

1070
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: like sometimes with the podcast, I try different colors, but

1071
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: because we have our beautiful lights on us and everything,

1072
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it's the best way to tell.

1073
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: I've been trying some fall colors lately because this one

1074
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: woman did like, oh, Kristen Davis, and they said, Kristin

1075
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: Davis can pull off a lot of colors and she

1076
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: can dip into winter. I don't know what she said,

1077
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: but she basically said that I should not wear silver,

1078
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: and I should not wear black, and I should not

1079
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: wear white.

1080
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: I was just like, what silver.

1081
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: I guess I get black looks so good on you though,

1082
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: thank you about so much, especially thinking back to there's

1083
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: so many great Charlotte black dress moments.

1084
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but this is the other thing

1085
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: that I will say and then we can get off

1086
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: this topic because I'm not sure if people care about

1087
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: this or not, but it does. It does.

1088
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: My problem is that once it gets in your head.

1089
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: Then when you look at things, you're like, oh, no,

1090
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: is this my color or not? Like it's stressful, right, yes,

1091
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: whereas you would just normally just pick what you felt

1092
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: like wearing, you know, and I do have many colors,

1093
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: Like in terms of the sweaters to wear into the podcast,

1094
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: I've got many a sweater because I'm always cold, right,

1095
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: So it's really like a conundrum. But basically, some of

1096
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: those black dresses that I have are very open net, right,

1097
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: so it's not right up by my face. And I

1098
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: might be tan because we usually film all summer, and

1099
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: even though obviously you're supposed to wear your sunscreen and

1100
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: not get tan, I would eventually get tan. And I

1101
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: don't know that that's the best way to judge right now.

1102
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: To me, I love black and I'm always gonna wear black.

1103
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't really care who tells me not to write.

1104
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: My bigger question is like white off white, I don't know, right,

1105
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: And then like the other like dusty colors or no,

1106
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: or the bright pink like you're saying you like this

1107
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: bright pink, right, It's interesting.

1108
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. But I also I'm just so curious

1109
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: if anyone wants to.

1110
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: Tell me if this makes it into our podcast, Do

1111
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: you guys believe in the color seasons?

1112
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1113
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Please let me know because I'm super curious. All right,

1114
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: let's talk about Miranda.

1115
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: All Miranda is just adorable, just adorable.

1116
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: She kind of doesn't have like a pressing pressing storyline here,

1117
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: but yet I really loved it because she's at the

1118
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: party where we're all single, and she starts telling jokes,

1119
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: not that unlike what Charlotte does, though I guess Charlotte's

1120
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: not even trying to be funny, She's just rambling, right,

1121
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: But Miranda tries to tell jokes and Carrie's like oh,

1122
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: And then they go out on the street and Carrie's like,

1123
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: what was that? And she says, well, I'm just trying

1124
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: to avoid the pity party. And then Carrie calls her Shecky,

1125
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: which I don't know if people know that this like

1126
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: a Shecky Green was like a vaudeville comedian, right, probably

1127
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: a reference people aren't gonna get.

1128
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: But she calls her shecky, which is adorable.

1129
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: And then later on Miranda runs into this other lady

1130
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: on the street who you know, also just so blatantly

1131
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: like are you dating anyone, And I mean it seems

1132
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: funny when you see it in the show, but people

1133
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: are like this, Yeah, I mean it's kind of unfair

1134
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: in a way.

1135
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1136
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: It's also like when people go like, well, what do

1137
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: you do? You know, like like the other day I

1138
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: took Jemma somewhere. She's fourteen years old, but she doesn't

1139
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: she looks older, right, and some stranger was like, you know, what.

1140
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: Do you want to study in college? And she was

1141
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: like and then she's like marine biology, which.

1142
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: Was so cute, but you know that pressure of like

1143
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: having to explain yourself on the spot and like these

1144
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: kind of big questions.

1145
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1146
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always was because that's the way I seen

1147
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: in TV a lot, like oh, you've seen anybody, and like,

1148
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: I've never once asked someone that, because I feel like

1149
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: it's very.

1150
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: I agree personal, I agree.

1151
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: Something this is embarrassing because something I learned I should

1152
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: not be doing because it went poorly for me. Was

1153
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 3: I was hanging out with a friend I hadn't seen

1154
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: in a long time, and he had brought his girlfriend.

1155
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: They've been dating for about I think a year, right,

1156
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: We're hanging out. There's the three of us, and then

1157
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 3: I go, so, do I hear wedding bells? I thought

1158
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: it would be a fun cute thing, and it was

1159
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: so funny. It was so poorly and it does matter

1160
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: or she I could tell immediately this is a topic

1161
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 3: of contention between them, and he was like not quite. Yeah,

1162
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: it's kind of awful getting, you know, just figuring. And

1163
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, And I told my wife

1164
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: fat and she's like, you should not say that.

1165
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: No, no, no. It's also just like, don't ask people where

1166
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: they're having children.

1167
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

1168
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: This is what happens in the show, which I thought

1169
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: was so great.

1170
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: So the woman who asked Miranda, will are you dating anyone?

1171
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: Miranda says, what about you and Joe or whatever his

1172
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: name is. You've been married for what? And she goes, oh,

1173
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: five years. I'm sure you're gonna excuse me, I'm sure

1174
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask me where the children are. And then

1175
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Miranda has this moment of like, oh, everyone's got their thing,

1176
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna laugh because I'm going to be kind,

1177
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: which is so nice because everyone's got their insecurities about

1178
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: what your expectations are and they're just trying to get

1179
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: in front of that and like do a song and

1180
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: dance if that's what they've got to do, you know

1181
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because it's just a lot of pressure

1182
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: to have to explain yourself all the time.

1183
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: Yes, it is. Uh the part where Carrie when she

1184
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: and Carry on the street and Carry's like, so what

1185
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: was that about? I thought that was weird you to

1186
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 3: react that way. Oh really, because I during that moment

1187
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: when Miranda's telling you that she was so funny, right,

1188
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: and so charming, and I was like, oh my god,

1189
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: I want to be in this conversation.

1190
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: I want to be at the steally and we do

1191
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: all kind of do that a fair amount. I did

1192
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: think that as well.

1193
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: But I also did think about the fact that Miranda

1194
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: is sometimes just like painfully honest, right, Like she doesn't

1195
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: always care about other people's feelings. And that's what I

1196
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: thought was different in a way, because like if you

1197
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: think about how Miranda is with just the friends is

1198
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: different than how Miranda is with like strangers, right or

1199
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: not that the people at the party were strangers, but

1200
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: like they're not the girls, right, So like she's one

1201
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: way with us where she just tells her things, or

1202
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: like when when we're all talking about the soulmates, and

1203
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: she's just sitting there, you know, like you just have

1204
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: to look at her face. You don't even have to

1205
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: hear her say anything. You know what she's going to say.

1206
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: She's just like, ah, yeah, and she because she's freely

1207
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: just going to say her truth.

1208
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Right, So I think that's what it partly is. But

1209
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: I do know what you're saying, and that like Carrie

1210
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: does clock it in kind of a big way. But

1211
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: I think that's really Miranda's only storyline. So that's why

1212
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, That makes.

1213
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: Sense sense, right, right, right? Because I did kind of

1214
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: go like, what's going on here?

1215
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: But I also I think the important thing, and of

1216
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: course this is because of my own singleness.

1217
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: Right.

1218
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: It's so amazing what we're saying about being single and

1219
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: the expectations that you're not going to be single and

1220
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: the pressure that everyone everywhere puts on everyone because of

1221
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: society's expectations. Right, And this is a million, hundred years ago,

1222
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: and I do think I don't know for.

1223
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Sure, if every was here, we'd ask her. I do

1224
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: think that there's less pressure now, Like someone was telling me, Oh,

1225
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: Mary Beth, remember when Mary Beth came on, She was

1226
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: like I keep telling everyone about how I want a boyfriend,

1227
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: and they keep telling me I'm crazy, and I was like,

1228
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: good for them, and she's like, no, but I want

1229
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: a boyfriend.

1230
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: Like for the young people now, at least some of them,

1231
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: the expectation is that you won't be doing that, right,

1232
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: that you're going to be out and with your friends

1233
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: and having fun and pursuing whatever you're pursuing in your

1234
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: job or whatever, I guess, which is also interesting. Then

1235
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: there's a whole like being embarrassed to have a boyfriend

1236
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: thing that went on this past past year, which was

1237
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: super fascinating because if a woman was on at least

1238
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: on social media, like it was definitely a social media

1239
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: centered conversation, right, like if you were showcasing the boyfriend,

1240
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: that that was kind of almost like a lesser than position,

1241
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like giving away your power,

1242
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: I guess, which super super interesting, very much so. But

1243
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: I do feel in my own life and of course

1244
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: this could just be because I'm so used to this

1245
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: for like ever, right, I do feel like the assumption

1246
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: is why, like why are they single?

1247
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: Like what is going on that they would be single? Right?

1248
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Like there's a weird question mark over your head if

1249
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: you're single, which is so stressful.

1250
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. Help me either, No, I

1251
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: don't like it.

1252
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 3: I did like this moment with this other person who

1253
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: starts talking about the inscreens about not having children because

1254
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: my wife, like, we have decided we're not going to

1255
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: have children, my wife and I.

1256
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: And do you tell people this, like if you're at

1257
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: a dinner party or something, do you talk about it

1258
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: if they ask us?

1259
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we don't hide it. But then it also

1260
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: is it's it's awkward because you know.

1261
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: People try to convince you otherwise they.

1262
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: Do, they do, and keep saying like, oh, you would

1263
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: change your mind after it happens, right, and you know,

1264
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: and then it.

1265
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: Goes that doesn't make sense.

1266
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: No, that's not the way we should be going about this.

1267
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: No, you should have your total freedom not to be

1268
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: having children.

1269
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it's very very respectable what I'm saying, Like

1270
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: like more people in some ways should be choosing this.

1271
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of where I'm at. And

1272
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: it's hard to because I also don't drink. And I

1273
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: kind of rendo this too when I talk about that,

1274
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: Like if people ask you about that and you say oh,

1275
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have kids or I'm not I don't drink.

1276
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: Then they sometimes they interpret that as like, oh, well,

1277
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: you're not going to like me because I have children

1278
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: or I drink.

1279
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: They might that's true, and so it's it's it's.

1280
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: A really awkward thing sometimes, but everyone's living their own life.

1281
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, this is what's so interesting too

1282
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: about people, right, like like that you know, if you

1283
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: choose something slightly different, right, like just slightly different, Like

1284
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: it's not that like there's a lot of people who

1285
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: don't drink. So you realize this as you go through

1286
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: life not drinking, right, but it's not the norm norm

1287
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: you know. So like if you're in an event or whatever,

1288
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: like most people are there drinking. You know, that's just

1289
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: how it is. That's what they do. That's what they

1290
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: like to do. More power to them, right, that's just.

1291
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: Not me and that's not you.

1292
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: But then that's so one thing is kind of interesting, right,

1293
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: Like they might go like, oh, that's interesting, Like you

1294
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: can tell on their face how they are going to feel.

1295
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: But then if they hear too, they're just like, oh,

1296
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: what do you know what I mean? Like, oh, now

1297
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: for me, I go, that's super doubly interesting. Let's hear

1298
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: about this, or maybe let's just think that's an interesting guy,

1299
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: because then like do you have to explain yourself because

1300
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: that's also awkward, right, like having to go into it,

1301
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

1302
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Awkward? Like you shouldn't have to do that.

1303
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: But then also I think that's really interesting and I

1304
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: think it's interesting also that people wouldn't automatically think, well,

1305
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that's an interesting.

1306
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Person, do mean? Right?

1307
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: Right?

1308
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: It is.

1309
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I think that social norms are fascinating, and I think

1310
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: that they change very slowly, right, So like we might

1311
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: hope that they're changing, or think maybe because of social

1312
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: media that they're changing, but they really just change really

1313
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: really slow.

1314
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: But like you remember when we were.

1315
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Talking to Jenny Biggs and she was saying when she

1316
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: wrote the episode about Miranda buying her apartment, that that

1317
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: was based on Jenny's story, and I was saying, look,

1318
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: I've gone through this myself, where like you're just having

1319
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: to check boxes. Like even with my kids who are

1320
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: in school, you know, I'm a single parent, right, All

1321
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: the school forums have two parents and they get very

1322
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: upset if both people don't sign because they don't want

1323
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: a divorced couple, for instance, to somehow leave out the

1324
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: other divorced person, right, but you have to like jump

1325
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: through hoops if you're a single parent to be like no, no,

1326
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: I am the only responsible person. Like it's it's just

1327
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: so not the default, right, Anything that's not the default

1328
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: is like it's a whole drama. And they don't ever

1329
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: think about you because you're the norm not the norm, right,

1330
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: You're the exception to the norm. But it's very interesting

1331
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: and somewhat you know, annoying. But then like with Jenny

1332
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: talking about the single women buying houses, now that's the

1333
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: single biggest group of house buyers, single women.

1334
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: So that's twenty five years. But yeah, yep, right, in

1335
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: took twenty five years, but yay.

1336
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: And then also I think the marriage you know, like

1337
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: when we did that Time magazine cover, which would have

1338
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: been like two thousand and one or two or something

1339
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: like that, maybe three or four, I don't know, but

1340
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: early two thousands, who needs a husband?

1341
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: That was shocking, right, That's why they put it on

1342
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: the cover.

1343
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: Right, But now you know the rates of first of all,

1344
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 1: divorced women who don't remarry, which I love so much,

1345
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: super interesting but then also just people waiting to get married,

1346
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, women not marrying, Like there's many many options

1347
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: now that are much more prevalently happening, which is great

1348
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: because everyone should get to choose exactly.

1349
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: You should take the pressure off.

1350
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: We've come a long way. We sell a lot of Yes,

1351
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: more tracking us, but yes, I'm yeah, when you think

1352
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: about in the twenty five years, how we look at

1353
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: those things, it's it's incredible.

1354
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: I know, it is incredible. It is interesting because sometimes

1355
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: you feel like if you're in one of those moments,

1356
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: like we're having to fill out the forms, or when

1357
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: someone's like, what do you mean you don' when I

1358
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: have children, like people really do have their own like

1359
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: it's there. It says more about them than it is

1360
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: about you, right, But like they get panicked confronted, you

1361
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, with something different, right, and it

1362
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: says like in their mind you can see like what

1363
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: does this say about my choices?

1364
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: Right?

1365
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: But when you're in those moments, you do feel like

1366
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: nothing's ever changing. You're like, oh my god, it's exhausted.

1367
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: But I do think things are changing slowly, right. Yeah,

1368
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: it is interesting though, but I love, I love That's

1369
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: what I love. I love when it's rare that all

1370
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: characters in the show are single, and I do love it.

1371
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: I mean, it.

1372
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Makes sense that it doesn't last forever because also that

1373
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: would be weird also, right, and you do want people

1374
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: to try things out. But I love that we start

1375
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: this season with everyone, you know, pretty much single. I mean,

1376
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: Charlotte's still not totally unhooked from Trey, and obviously Carrie

1377
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: emotionally is not unhooked from Big. But Miranda seems to

1378
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: not even.

1379
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: Be remotely thinking about Steve, which is interesting because we

1380
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 2: know it's going to happen, and of course Samantha's free

1381
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: because that's how showays is. But I liked it.

1382
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: I liked it, and it made me think, like this,

1383
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: this is why the show is so unique, you know,

1384
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: and that it can talk about this stuff like we

1385
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: were like when Carrie says to mind and we were

1386
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: the only people in there who were single.

1387
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

1388
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: I just want to shout out Yule Vasquez. He plays

1389
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: the agent that Samantha is talking to at the party. Yeah,

1390
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: and he's like just kind of being like typical, like

1391
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: you know, like nineties like agent. Yeah. So he and

1392
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 3: Sara Jessica were in a show together.

1393
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: I know he looked familiar.

1394
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: He was called Divorce.

1395
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he was a divorce.

1396
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: Yes he was. Oh my god, I recognized him from Seinfeld?

1397
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: No way, Yes, who.

1398
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: Does he play on Seinfeld?

1399
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: He he shows up like in three or four episodes.

1400
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: But there's there's these two characters that are there are

1401
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: these very fabulous game men, but they're they're they're described

1402
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: as street tufts, like they're like kind of like they

1403
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 3: there's a part where Kramer is supposed to be watching

1404
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: Elaine's armoir on the street and they.

1405
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: All remember this.

1406
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they also they do the Aids walk

1407
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: and Kramer won't wear the ribbon. Oh my god, those guys.

1408
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: That's really funny.

1409
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: I knew he looks so familiar, but I couldn't. I

1410
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: couldn't think of who he was. That's really interesting. Great eyebrows, Yeah,

1411
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: definitely definitely. I also thought like, has he been on

1412
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: the show before? That was what went through my He

1413
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: looks so familiar. That's interesting. Also, I was like, oh

1414
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so scared like that, that kind of

1415
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: aggressive agent. I'm just like, oh lord, oh lord, no, Lord, no,

1416
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: I also thought he was going to be like a

1417
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: finance bro, but no, he was an agent.

1418
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: He was a TV agent. I fucking love it that guy, right,

1419
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: that was funny. That was really funny.

1420
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes when we have our little party scenes, there

1421
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: are people that I'm like, I know that person.

1422
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: I know that person. I don't know how I know them,

1423
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: you know.

1424
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a great showcase for the character actors to

1425
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 3: come on.

1426
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: Definitely, and also sometimes there are people that we just

1427
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: know from the peripheral world of New York, which is fun.

1428
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: All right.

1429
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: The agony in the I feel like there's things we missed.

1430
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: But wait, do we did fully discuss the end scene,

1431
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: so basically remind me how it ends with Big. So

1432
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: he's there, he's likable, he's come to deliver her birthday

1433
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: balloons in champagne. They have a very sweet time, but

1434
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: then she just gets out of the car.

1435
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: Right, yes, And that is something I love about this

1436
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: is that he doesn't have He's not like, come on, carry,

1437
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 3: let's go out, let's go out dancing or something.

1438
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: No.

1439
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 3: No, he is just coming by to celebrate her birthday,

1440
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: give her champagne, give her balloons, and then be gone.

1441
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 3: He wants to celebrate her, which is nice, no expectations

1442
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: for her. Yeah, and I just think after the night

1443
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: she's had, yes, such a great little moment.

1444
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: And as we haven't seen him in a while, right,

1445
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: Like I can't remember when we last saw him. It

1446
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: was a while, Yeah, is it when they fell in

1447
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: the in the in the in the pond in the park.

1448
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: Think I think so too. Oh that's good, that's very good.

1449
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: That's very good because yeah, he's going to move to London, yeah,

1450
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: right at that time. But I also love when he

1451
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: asked her in the car, did you have a good day,

1452
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: and she says, yes, that was so great. So I

1453
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: was like, see, that's maturity. No one ever talks about

1454
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: Carrie's maturity. But look, there's a mature moment. You know,

1455
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: she had a great day because she went through all

1456
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: the different things and then she ended up with her friends,

1457
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: and then she was content walking down the street and

1458
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: then here he was a surprise, just like it should be,

1459
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, like just to cherry on top. It was

1460
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: interesting though, because in the sound you know, voiceover, doesn't

1461
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: she say something about like calling back to Charlotte saying

1462
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: then they can just be nice guys that we have

1463
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: fun with yeah, And I'm like, well, that's not a

1464
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: good description of bit but okay, I mean he was

1465
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: nice in that car scene, but you know what I mean,

1466
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: that's not I wouldn't think of him in that category.

1467
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: But that's okay, that's okay, that's me nitpicking. But I

1468
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: did think, like, just as a beginning of a season,

1469
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: how incredible, like Michael Patrick King, Oh my god, it's.

1470
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: A grand slam right out of the Gates train season.

1471
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: And I tried to figure out if this is when

1472
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: he wins his first individual Emmy, but I don't think

1473
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: it is. But I do think I need to figure

1474
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: out better because we win our Emmy for the show.

1475
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: In September of two thousand and one because it was

1476
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: the Emmys that we called the semi Emmys because they

1477
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: didn't happen on time because we had declared war in Iraq.

1478
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: Oh and we felt like that would be weird to

1479
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: have the award show and then when we had it,

1480
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: only Kim and I are there to get it. So

1481
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: it's just Kim and I holding the Emmy together, no one,

1482
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: no one else is there because we lived we were

1483
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: I think she was living in la I think she

1484
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: was living in La so both both she and I

1485
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: are there. I don't know if Michael Patrick's there. He's

1486
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: not in the pictures with us for some reason, which

1487
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: would imply he wasn't there. But if we wanted to,

1488
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: that would mean we did win for season three, which

1489
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: aired in two thousand, because there's all a little delay,

1490
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like you qualify the season before, right,

1491
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: but amazing that this is the season that we come

1492
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: on with you know in the season that we're gonna win.

1493
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: And I also think in my mind that's why season

1494
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: three and season four are mashed together, because I also

1495
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: think we made so many and I think that this

1496
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: is when, like the show in general, it was almost

1497
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: a year round job, right because we had the Golden

1498
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: Globes and the winner, we had the this, we had

1499
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: the that, there was this event, there was that event.

1500
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it really wasn't, but in my mind

1501
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: and I think I I think I might have. Maybe

1502
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: this is when I went to Canada and worked with

1503
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: Rob Low. I can't remember, but like you would do

1504
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: things in between, right, but I can't remember what it

1505
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: would it would have been, like you were trying to

1506
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: get little jobs in between that you would you know,

1507
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: could do make extra money or whatever and you know,

1508
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: hopefully have some fun. But then you just had like

1509
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Golden Globes are like there were just

1510
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: big things that you were just living the whole year.

1511
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on something going on.

1512
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was so much fun and so great, so

1513
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: so so great. But I think that's why, like the

1514
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: whole like the season three, season four in my mind

1515
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: are one.

1516
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, there's not really a break but a glory,

1517
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: a glorious season, a very long and glorious season, but

1518
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: quite amazing to look back and realize that this is

1519
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 2: Michael Patrick really coming into to his own in terms

1520
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 2: of like directing, writing both of them. It's pretty major.

1521
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: And he's so incredibly talented that he can do that

1522
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: and do it well.

1523
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just he's one of the brilliant minds

1524
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,520
Speaker 3: of television.

1525
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: It's I know it, I know, I know, I know,

1526
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: I know. I can't wait for the comeback. It's going

1527
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: to be super interesting. Also, we got to get him back.

1528
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: On the pod.

1529
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: We got to get him back over here. We have

1530
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: many questions. We're going to write them down and try

1531
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 1: to remember them all, all right, thank you Easton.

1532
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna ask you for your Charlotte because

1533
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: we've asked you.

1534
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh yes, you should just come up with a surprise

1535
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: answer for us one time.

1536
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

1537
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: Ah, you're adorable. Thank you for being with us. You

1538
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: always have such good insight.

1539
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

1540
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: I'm glad. Yeah, yeah, yeay. Thank you everybody for joining us.

1541
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: And are you a Charlotte?