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Speaker 2: He's Chris Webber, Hall of Famer, five time All Star,
Speaker 2: former number one overall pick by the Magic back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. See Webb joining us who came up
Speaker 2: with the idea for the black Socks with Michigan.
Speaker 3: Do you remember I Do I do? Ray Jackson?
Speaker 4: I had to interview him from my book Shameless Plug,
Speaker 4: but I had forgotten. So we were playing in Texas,
Speaker 4: were playing against Rice University, and you know then when
Speaker 4: you play with your teammates, whenever you have a teammate
Speaker 4: that's from somewhere, when you go to their home, you
Speaker 4: want to show out. And so we knew we were
Speaker 4: going to want to play well for Ray and Jimmy
Speaker 4: and Ray though he wanted to transfer and Ray had
Speaker 4: been talking about transferring to me for the whole summer.
Speaker 4: For the whole year. He felt that he was kind
Speaker 4: of left out that he was escapego the coach. He
Speaker 4: was kind of tired of coach staying on him for
Speaker 4: a long time. So he and his friends decided to
Speaker 4: go to the mall. He bought a few different colored
Speaker 4: pair of socks and he was gonna wear them in protest.
Speaker 4: But he comes to the room, and you know how
Speaker 4: it is with your friends. He comes to the room,
Speaker 4: I'm sleep. He comes back at Jawana's like, what is this?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna wear those black socks. And Jayalen's like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's go to the mall. So Jayleen and Jimmy they
Speaker 4: ran to the mall, bought me a pair of black socks,
Speaker 4: and so raised frustration and protests turned into brothers saying,
Speaker 4: man's shut up, we love you.
Speaker 3: We're all gonna wear the black socks. And that's a whole.
Speaker 4: Nother story because we get in trouble for wearing the
Speaker 4: black socks, for not including the rest of our teammates.
Speaker 4: So we have the black socks on, We're excited. We
Speaker 4: have our sweatpants on. We usually don't warm up with
Speaker 4: our sweatpants and warm ups, you know, usually take them
Speaker 4: off in the shorts. We kept them on, and we
Speaker 4: all get in the starter circle and coaches looking like
Speaker 4: what the hell, you know, because it was pretty obvious then.
Speaker 4: And then after the game coach was fine, we win it.
Speaker 4: But after the game we called it to the side
Speaker 4: and said, come on, man, you know I was old.
Speaker 4: I'm the oldest of five kids, and he was like,
Speaker 4: would you do that with with you know, family members.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, we don't do that here. Everybody else
Speaker 4: to wear black sox. So he didn't understand how excited
Speaker 4: we were that. Really, what he was telling us is, yeah,
Speaker 4: y'all can wear them, but everyone can wear them.
Speaker 3: But Ray Jackson was the Ray Jackson was the start
Speaker 3: of that. He picked those socks.
Speaker 2: What about the baggy shorts. I know Jordan wore baggy shorts,
Speaker 2: but you guys went baggier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it was Illinois and UNLB have really
Speaker 4: nice shorts Syracuse. You know, all the guys like Derek
Speaker 4: Coleman or Anderson Hunt. They would bring us their shorts
Speaker 4: in the summer and give us a pair of shorts.
Speaker 4: That was like gifting the guy a car to wear
Speaker 4: some official, you know shorts.
Speaker 3: Back then, there was no fanatics and you know, no
Speaker 3: pramatic fess.
Speaker 4: You could just get them things like that, and so
Speaker 4: really what it was a funny story. The day we
Speaker 4: get to get our uniforms, we're all super excited. You know,
Speaker 4: that's a moment when you get to look at your uniform,
Speaker 4: put it on but thanks to Chip Armor and Eric
Speaker 4: Riley and all of the old heads, because they wanted
Speaker 4: just regular shorts and we were searching for that extra
Speaker 4: two inches in the cross in the scene, so we
Speaker 4: were able to trade with upper classmen. We didn't get
Speaker 4: it yet. And then coach eventually he and coach Dutcher
Speaker 4: of San Diego State now Heim Coach Dutcher eventually ordered
Speaker 4: us some longer shorts. So we were just complaining the
Speaker 4: whole time about you know, our shorts, you know the term.
Speaker 4: Then we didn't want Stockton's and we didn't want to
Speaker 4: get catch a yeaston section that practice for a teammate
Speaker 4: and too tight draws on. So you know, Coach he
Speaker 4: was cool. We had some tough practices for it. That's
Speaker 4: how we got to earn black socks and everything. He
Speaker 4: had to have tough practices, but we earned it.
Speaker 2: And Alls well, we were talking about the great nicknames.
Speaker 2: She had, fab five Fi, Slama Jam and was great,
Speaker 2: Hoya Paranoia. Don't know if there's a running Rebels, don't
Speaker 2: know if there are any other team nickname the kind
Speaker 2: of belongs to that group.
Speaker 4: Man, that's good. I wish I had a time to
Speaker 4: think about that. One, because that's gonna be on my mind.
Speaker 4: I really loved the Running Rebels. I mean to me
Speaker 4: it said at all. Even they're Moniker with kind of
Speaker 4: the Yosemite Sam type character. You know, I'm in I
Speaker 4: think them and Oklahoma got to carry a gun around
Speaker 4: there at those times. But yeah, I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I've always said the greatest personal nickname to me is
Speaker 4: the great one, and then you can.
Speaker 3: Go from there. But for the teams, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it have to be made Running Rebels back there?
Speaker 2: Were you aware of Georgetown with you ing?
Speaker 5: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: Yes? Back home?
Speaker 4: Man, I'm a Jew, I'm a big sports fan, so yeah,
Speaker 4: and you gotta remember this well was really smart. And
Speaker 4: then talking to Sonny but Carol for my book, he
Speaker 4: was a really good guy. But they snuck into our
Speaker 4: minds early. So when you talk about Georgetown, yes, do
Speaker 4: I love John Thompson.
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Do I love Zoe and all the big fellow they
Speaker 4: had Ewing and man Tumble, Yes, But what really started
Speaker 4: my love for them was the blue and Great Nikes.
Speaker 4: It was the blue and gray Starter jacket. And I
Speaker 4: don't think then really people remember what an influenced Starter
Speaker 4: had in our kind of in our life because you
Speaker 4: kind of got to be a pro before you were
Speaker 4: a pro and wear what you wanted to wear. So yeah,
Speaker 4: for me, it was a really good time of fashion
Speaker 4: and where we won. But it all started with which
Speaker 4: you could wear on the street. And that's why I
Speaker 4: really loved Georgetown because of how cool they were even
Speaker 4: before I got to see them on the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I was meaning is growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: because ewing and hoy you know, Hoya Paranoia was in
Speaker 2: the eighties. And I'm just curious if you were old
Speaker 2: enough to get gear, if you wanted to get gear
Speaker 2: from Georgetown or there was some other school, because I
Speaker 2: think you looked at Duke, didn't you. If you didn't
Speaker 2: go to Michigan, it was either Michigan State or Duke.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And so Patrick you and it is a
Speaker 4: little older than me, and I didn't get Georgetown gear,
Speaker 4: but you would always see all the cool guys in
Speaker 4: the neighborhood wearing it. I remember his interview with my father,
Speaker 4: you know, telling me where Patrick Geary was from. And
Speaker 4: I remember my mother telling me how smart you had
Speaker 4: to be to go at Georgetown. So I really remember
Speaker 4: those conversations more so than watching Pat play, but coach
Speaker 4: Carrill rest in Peace, who was a close close mentor
Speaker 4: of mine. When I got into pros, I heard so
Speaker 4: many great stories about that Princeton Georgetown game, but those
Speaker 4: were much later, So no, I didn't really get to
Speaker 4: see that because I was going to Duke. I was
Speaker 4: going to Michigan State to be like Steve Smith going
Speaker 4: to Duke to play with Grant Hill or you know,
Speaker 4: luckily went to Michigan to play with Juwan jay Le
Speaker 4: Rain Jim.
Speaker 2: Toughest guy you ever faced in college.
Speaker 4: Christian Ladner is the best, one of the best college
Speaker 4: players of all time. I think of great college players,
Speaker 4: I think a Kareem Walton. Of course, there are a
Speaker 4: lot of others that are mixed in that have one
Speaker 4: or two great years, but it was by far, by
Speaker 4: far Christian Layner for me, because sorry Christian Layner and
Speaker 4: Big Dalton Robinson, because those two, Glenn Robinson, those two
Speaker 4: were the first big guys that could put it on
Speaker 4: the floor, that could dribble, that could pump fake, that
Speaker 4: could get you in foul trouble, that played outside the game.
Speaker 4: You know, when you look at the evolution of the game,
Speaker 4: we grew up when big guys weren't supposed to handle it,
Speaker 4: and so Layton being able to shoot three of these
Speaker 4: late there being able to just do all the stuff
Speaker 4: that he did from a freshman all the way to
Speaker 4: a senior.
Speaker 3: I would definitely say in my time, I think he
Speaker 3: was the toughest for me to play play against.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have a conversation with him about that
Speaker 2: rivalry and games you guys played against each other?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, but it's it's overdue, it's long overdue.
Speaker 4: We should have a beer over it, because I think
Speaker 4: I told you this before. My best one of my
Speaker 4: best college visits if I had, you know, eight or
Speaker 4: nine of them, was definitely at Duke and uh and
Speaker 4: later there was my host, so I was very familiar
Speaker 4: with him when we played.
Speaker 3: That's why we talked so much junk to each other. Uh.
Speaker 4: And you know he knew my admiration. But the more
Speaker 4: admiration I have for you to more to try to
Speaker 4: kill you anyway. And I think that's the same with him.
Speaker 4: But now we haven't talked about it, but you know,
Speaker 4: it'd be fun, fun, fun to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It would be it'd be a fun podcast where it's
Speaker 2: just you two talking about that time. Because you had
Speaker 2: Duke the establishment, you guys, you know, freshmen and uh
Speaker 2: going toe to toe with them. Well, you probably had
Speaker 2: people who liked you because they hate hated Duke so much.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 4: And also I had people that were mad at me
Speaker 4: because I didn't hate Duke. I mean, I hate them
Speaker 4: because I wanted to beat him. But all of the
Speaker 4: other talk and this that I didn't get into it
Speaker 4: because I hated them enough just from basketball and I
Speaker 4: went to visit there, and I wanted to be part
Speaker 4: of you know, of that team. But you know, Coach
Speaker 4: K is such a special guy. And you know, when
Speaker 4: I think about and again keep saying to the book,
Speaker 4: by Guy's grace, when I think about Coach K coming
Speaker 4: to my house and recruiting me, he was an enemy territory. Actually,
Speaker 4: my friends were screaming one O three seventy three, one
Speaker 4: O three seventy three. That was the score that they
Speaker 4: lost against UNLV, And people are outside chanting as while
Speaker 4: he's walking in my house and all he does is
Speaker 4: turn around on the court and the justice ring, and
Speaker 4: everybody's like, So when I saw Coach K's toughness, you
Speaker 4: know in the hood and how he was and you know,
Speaker 4: respectful comparis and all that.
Speaker 3: He's always been one of my favorite coaches in the
Speaker 3: game as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, your boys are outside. Coach K's
Speaker 2: walking into your house and they're mocking him of getting
Speaker 2: blown out by thirty by UNLV.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dan, I actually got to send this to you because
Speaker 4: I interviewed my guys on the porch that he walked
Speaker 4: in and they were saying it because my father was like,
Speaker 4: don't tell anybody, you know, Coach K's coming, and so
Speaker 4: the whole neighborhood, dude, And so he gets out of
Speaker 4: the car and they are just booming. But when he
Speaker 4: walked back out, people are like, yeah, coach, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, good job. So he earned our respect. But yeah,
Speaker 4: coach Coach K was tough. It's not just it's not
Speaker 4: just an act. You know, he's a he's a good
Speaker 4: guy and toughs at heart, and so he's always had
Speaker 4: my respect. He is all remind me a lot of
Speaker 4: each other too, and I consider Coach is a very
Speaker 4: close friend.
Speaker 2: Chris Weber, the Hall of Famer member of the Fab Five,
Speaker 2: more concerned about transfer portal or ni l in the
Speaker 2: future for the sport.
Speaker 4: Can you separate them? Can there be onee out the other?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm you know, I'm very happy that you know,
Speaker 4: anytime you're in the beginning of any new system, it's
Speaker 4: going to be terrible and he's gonna have to figure
Speaker 4: it out. So I can't wait until the playing field
Speaker 4: levels and we figure it out. But I think coaches
Speaker 4: are getting a taste of their medicine. You want to
Speaker 4: leave your guys and coach and leave, well, some guys
Speaker 4: are going to leave you mentally late in the season
Speaker 4: when you decide that. But also I hope that players
Speaker 4: start to understand that the same love and passion should
Speaker 4: be there. But even more than ever, you made a
Speaker 4: commitment now, and I've talked to a lot of young players,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I talked to a lot of
Speaker 4: young players, and we are working through understanding that you're
Speaker 4: getting paid for this commitment now.
Speaker 3: So you have no excuse.
Speaker 4: But you still need to come with the same energy
Speaker 4: and innocence of passion that you would have played with.
Speaker 3: And how do you figure that out? I think some
Speaker 3: guys are figuring out.
Speaker 4: I also think some players are looking mid season saying, well,
Speaker 4: I'm averaging eight, I can go average ten here next
Speaker 4: year in a crazy, unsubstantiated situation, and then they go
Speaker 4: into the transfer portaland no one picks them up. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's a difficult time right now.
Speaker 4: And I think everyone from coaches, players are all kind
Speaker 4: of getting used to seeing like how is this.
Speaker 3: Gonna gonna level out?
Speaker 4: But that needs to be more discussion and hopefully more
Speaker 4: leveling of the playing field so everyone can get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering about that that if you get money
Speaker 2: when you're in college, does that help you when you
Speaker 2: go to the pros and get money because a lot
Speaker 2: of times you go into the pros and you go
Speaker 2: crazy because you haven't had this kind of money and
Speaker 2: you buy stupid things. Did you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Every every every everybody, everybody, Yeah yeah, yeah, everybody's done that.
Speaker 4: And I thought it was sports until I talked to
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends in VC and others and
Speaker 4: I found out it's all people that do that. But
Speaker 4: I definitely, uh, you know, it was one of those guys.
Speaker 4: But you're going to do that, I think too.
Speaker 2: With guys.
Speaker 4: Let's take a guy like a big fella from Kansas fixer.
Speaker 4: He was, he was at Michigan, and I say this,
Speaker 4: it was he's a really good guy and he plays
Speaker 4: with passion. He's so hard. He wanted to stay at
Speaker 4: Michigan and he's going, I'm not playing pro now. I
Speaker 4: think he's a pro. So I'm not having that conversation.
Speaker 3: He's a pro. He's a posy pro.
Speaker 4: But that was the conversation, and the conversation asked to me,
Speaker 4: who was someone had never been in that position?
Speaker 3: What would you do?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Because my thing was, you can stay here for legacy.
Speaker 4: You being in Michigan four years and having records and numbers.
Speaker 4: Do you know what that's light when you get older
Speaker 4: to be able to come back to Michigan and say.
Speaker 3: That you're a part of it. This is a wonderful university.
Speaker 3: And I think that.
Speaker 4: I think that that factor has been taking out of
Speaker 4: the decision making because guys are saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: I might not make the pose, I might not have
Speaker 4: the luxury of getting a paycheck and buying something stupid.
Speaker 4: I need to make as much as I can now
Speaker 4: prepare for a professional career overseas or in coaching. So
Speaker 4: I think guys are battling with the lot of different
Speaker 4: decisions that really are they're struggling with that they don't
Speaker 4: want to have. I was talking with Deon Sanders for
Speaker 4: a show I'm doing, and he was telling me that
Speaker 4: the parents were more of a problem with the portal
Speaker 4: and with NIL than the students because the students haven't
Speaker 4: lived life enough to kind of uh be that greedy
Speaker 4: yet or order order to uh just not put team first.
Speaker 4: And so again, I think it's a lot of different situations.
Speaker 4: You know, guys are getting taxed off the ni L
Speaker 4: and didn't know they were getting taxed, and parents for you,
Speaker 4: So it's it's just so much going on that that
Speaker 4: that hopefully again the dust your cells.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing that you spent money on early?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've.
Speaker 4: You know, I was smart to begin it because I
Speaker 4: wanted to get my parents everything so and I had
Speaker 4: a big family. But for me, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: the day you know I got drafted, it was have
Speaker 4: a chapter in my book called gators for everybody. So
Speaker 4: gators are you know, are a shoe? Now I looked
Speaker 4: at this so damn stupid, but gators are a shoe?
Speaker 4: And back then it was big block gators and you
Speaker 4: know from guys in the hood, the preachers, anybody had gators.
Speaker 4: And so what did I do. I went and bought
Speaker 4: gators for everyone in my neighborhood. I mean, even if
Speaker 4: they didn't have a suit. Hey, why don't you had
Speaker 4: some gators?
Speaker 5: And take this?
Speaker 4: So you know, oh man, I took friends to restaurants.
Speaker 4: You know that we had never been to. So I
Speaker 4: got a little across the street from your bookie rest
Speaker 4: of Peace. Uh, just stupid stuff. You go to restaurants,
Speaker 4: you pork and coch and hot sauce, and you say
Speaker 4: that guy here, I gave you five thousand dollars if
Speaker 4: you eat it, and you're happy because you were gonna
Speaker 4: give them something anyway.
Speaker 3: But you know your friends, you have to bust them up.
Speaker 4: And so you know, I've done a lot more worse things,
Speaker 4: I'm sure, and in other areas of life. But I
Speaker 4: remember when I first got it was a Oh one
Speaker 4: of the one of the most fun things I did
Speaker 4: the probably was stupid. I went to a music I
Speaker 4: had a truck of white suburban when they first came out,
Speaker 4: and I asked him to give me the loudest sounds
Speaker 4: in the world, and the guy laughed, and I immediately
Speaker 4: walked out and went down the street and asked the
Speaker 4: guy for the loud of sounds in the world. He
Speaker 4: was like, I could do that, and so I took
Speaker 4: out every seat besides the front two seats I had
Speaker 4: sixteen twelve, fourteen age.
Speaker 3: I'm crazy, and I used to just love driving down.
Speaker 4: The street making alarms go off or breaking my window
Speaker 4: in the back, and so I think that's pretty stupid to,
Speaker 4: you know, put you know, fifty thousand dollars forty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars worth of sounds in your truck and only one
Speaker 4: person could fit in and you can't even put your
Speaker 4: lugga jambler.
Speaker 3: It was a good time. So it was a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's your dad who worked factory for all
Speaker 2: of those years. Did he ever say what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, But the story timeline keep going,
Speaker 4: I know, show I don't want to keep going with them.
Speaker 2: Why do you bought him a Cadillac? Right?
Speaker 3: But that was the best thing.
Speaker 4: I told him Magic was coming to the house, and
Speaker 4: I went to the UH and he loves magic. I
Speaker 4: went to the our dealership Cadillac, and people started cheering
Speaker 4: when I went in because they knew my father had worked.
Speaker 3: For GM for you know, many many years, and I
Speaker 3: bought him Cadillac.
Speaker 4: I had to cut the grass meticulously now and you
Speaker 4: never got to play football on my grass or anything.
Speaker 4: I drive the car on the grass stand it. My
Speaker 4: father comes out at six and it's about seven in
Speaker 4: the morning, and that was one of the more special
Speaker 4: moments of my life. Getting yelled at while throwing the
Speaker 4: keys to my father while he was driving off telling.
Speaker 3: Me to make sure I take care of the grass
Speaker 3: was a pretty cool moment.
Speaker 2: Always great. Thank you for storytelling time, Chris. We appreciate
Speaker 2: your time as always.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Dan, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: He is Chris Webber. He is a Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: and number one overall picked by the Magic back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. A lot of fun. I always appreciate
Speaker 2: conversations with him. Mark, we'll take a break. More of
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Speaker 2: college minor leagues coming up to the Pirates.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean the biggest thing I learned from getting
Speaker 8: to the big leagues is that the game is a
Speaker 8: lot more similar than I thought in terms of the
Speaker 8: actual the baseball, you know play. Everything that's added on
Speaker 8: makes it a lot harder. So traveling cross country, we
Speaker 8: had a couple of cross country flights last year. Our
Speaker 8: travel within the division's pretty good, you know, our hour
Speaker 8: long or less than an hour long flights for the
Speaker 8: most part within our division. But still, I mean, you
Speaker 8: got the media in the in the locker room every day.
Speaker 8: The food is different. It's it's better, but there's more
Speaker 8: of it, so it's easy to you know, overindulge, just
Speaker 8: a lot of a lot of little stuff like that
Speaker 8: that makes it, uh just makes it makes it different
Speaker 8: and probably makes it a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: What's the strangest thing you've thought of while you were
Speaker 2: on the mound?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 8: Probably like doing math problems or something like that. I
Speaker 8: don't know if you've ever seen I think it was
Speaker 8: Major League or Major League two. The catcher is is,
Speaker 8: you know, learning to get over the yips, and he
Speaker 8: like memorizes a PLAYBOYD magazine or something like that, and
Speaker 8: I do that with math problems rather than you know,
Speaker 8: PLAYBOYD magazines.
Speaker 2: But how does that help you?
Speaker 8: I mean, because it's it's very so it's very easy
Speaker 8: to like focus too hard and try to execute a pitch,
Speaker 8: you know, and then you just completely sail it or
Speaker 8: like pull a slider or sail a heat or something
Speaker 8: like that. So like having your mind not you know,
Speaker 8: solely focused on on that pitch. It like a little
Speaker 8: bit of distraction is sometimes a good thing.
Speaker 2: Give me the guy that you keep an eye on
Speaker 2: in the on deck circle that you know he's coming
Speaker 2: to the plate.
Speaker 8: It's probably one per team. Usually it's like the three
Speaker 8: hitter or something like that. Maybe it's to a team,
Speaker 8: it's because we kind of like bucket hitters a little
Speaker 8: bit to where we can pitch them similarly to get
Speaker 8: them out. But there's always like one guy in the
Speaker 8: lineup that's like, hey, this guy doesn't beat us. So
Speaker 8: I mean it's the one Soto's the day, look, Elid Cruise,
Speaker 8: Cody Boudrew, those types of guys. They I mean, you
Speaker 8: know they're coming out.
Speaker 2: What do you do when you disagree with your catcher?
Speaker 8: Just shake? I'll wear a pitch com too, and and
Speaker 8: I'll punch it in sometimes, but yeah, just shake there.
Speaker 8: There are no hard feelings there, but.
Speaker 2: You have final say yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean if I my experience is generally, if I
Speaker 8: throw a pitch that I don't wholly believe in, it
Speaker 8: doesn't end well. So I have to, you know, throw
Speaker 8: out pitches that I believe in out there with you know,
Speaker 8: full conviction, and that it generally ends ends pretty well.
Speaker 2: But when you give up a big hit or a
Speaker 2: home run in college, it's one thing, But when you
Speaker 2: have thousands and thousands of people and you know it's
Speaker 2: going to end up on Sports Center, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you process that differently? If you can? Then when you
Speaker 2: were in college and you gave up a home.
Speaker 8: Run, yeah, honestly, And I think this is probably more
Speaker 8: of a change for me. But I think I took it, like,
Speaker 8: took it harder, took it, took it more personally when
Speaker 8: I was in college than I do now. And I
Speaker 8: think there are probably a couple of reasons for that.
Speaker 8: I've I think I've matured, grown up a little bit,
Speaker 8: but also, uh, we get to do it more often now.
Speaker 8: In college, it's like, you know, the SEC is the
Speaker 8: biggest thing in the world and nothing else matters, Like
Speaker 8: that's that's the that's what they feed you, right, So
Speaker 8: when I give up a home run at Ole Miss
Speaker 8: and the beers flying everywhere, like it feels like the
Speaker 8: end of the world a little bit more than it
Speaker 8: does now. When I give up a home run in
Speaker 8: you know, Dodger Stadium or something like that, it's just
Speaker 8: And I think I think part of that's because it's
Speaker 8: it's so routine now, but I think a lot of
Speaker 8: it's because I've just like grown up to.
Speaker 2: Talking to Paul's schemes and he's one of three MLB
Speaker 2: The show twenty five cover athletes. You've got Gunner Henderson
Speaker 2: and Ellie Dela Cruz tell us about the honor. How
Speaker 2: did you find out?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't remember exactly when I found out, because
Speaker 8: there's just something that I think, you know, we were
Speaker 8: in the talks for for I don't know, probably the
Speaker 8: last summer, last September around there kind of blends together
Speaker 8: when we're in season. But it was cool when I,
Speaker 8: you know, found out that it's you know, no kidding happening.
Speaker 8: I mean, definitely some satisfaction there is. It's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 8: I've you know, grown up seeing you know, the cover
Speaker 8: athletes of the show and and seeing the game. It's
Speaker 8: been a huge part of a lot of people's childhood.
Speaker 8: I think, as like the game that they want to
Speaker 8: play when they when they get to play video games.
Speaker 8: So gamer, I'm not. I'm not really a gamer at all.
Speaker 8: So yeah, So the only time I would play the
Speaker 8: show because I never had a PlayStation or Xbox or anything. Uh,
Speaker 8: And the only time I would play the show when
Speaker 8: I like went to you know, my my buddy's house
Speaker 8: or something like that and they had it. But I've
Speaker 8: always been terrible at it. And if I'm the kind
Speaker 8: of person like if I'm not good at something, I
Speaker 8: just won't. I'll just stop doing it. Yeah, I'm the
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take my ball and go home type of guy.
Speaker 2: How territorial are you when it comes to the SEC,
Speaker 2: whether it's football fourteen schools are in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 2: the baseball with the SEC? Are you annoying to be
Speaker 2: around when it's conversations about the SEC?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 8: Because I'm a I'm a baseball guy first football, I
Speaker 8: could kind of care less about. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 8: true believer that because I'm an SEC guy. But I'm
Speaker 8: a Mountain West guy too, and I'm a true believer
Speaker 8: that the Mountain West just breeds winners. So I'm probably
Speaker 8: more territory about the Mountain West because it's not a
Speaker 8: you know, people don't people don't know about the Mountain West.
Speaker 8: But that's where that's where champions are made. I believe that.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you're in Pittsburgh. They love their football there.
Speaker 2: Do you go to you care about? Do you go
Speaker 2: to games?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: But I mean because I look at college baseball and
Speaker 8: call and uh and pro baseball is two different sports.
Speaker 8: I I I never played football. I don't understand what's
Speaker 8: going on out there. I know that you're supposed to
Speaker 8: move the ball down the field. But I viewed college
Speaker 8: football and pro football is two different sports too. So
Speaker 8: I've gone to a Steelers game. It was it was
Speaker 8: really cool. I want to go back. I'm a Steelers fan,
Speaker 8: you know, now bleed black and gold. So but yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't, I don't. They're fun to the games are
Speaker 8: fun to go to.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be okay with the automatic strike zone?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Hey, it's not in there this year, so I'm
Speaker 8: I'm happy with that. I haven't. I haven't challenged anything
Speaker 8: this spring. It's not going to be in there this
Speaker 8: year when it comes it comes. I I like the
Speaker 8: human aspect of the game because I think that, you know,
Speaker 8: there are games where the umpire zone is big and
Speaker 8: there are games where the umpire zone as small. Obviously catchers,
Speaker 8: you bring in the automatic strike zone, then it completely
Speaker 8: devalues framing, which you know, effectively eliminates the catching position.
Speaker 8: So I have mixed feelings toward it. I do like
Speaker 8: the human aspect of the game, but there's definitely something
Speaker 8: to be said about, you know, being objective with the
Speaker 8: strike zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're at the plate and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden there's a you know, a star pitcher and
Speaker 2: he gets a call. You're okay with that and it's
Speaker 2: not a strike, but because of who he is, Justin
Speaker 2: Berlander is going to get that call.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I prefer it that way. I don't
Speaker 8: have to hit anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hit?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: Maybe BP occasionally, but I don't want to face Justin Berlander.
Speaker 8: I don't want to face anything. These other guys they're
Speaker 8: too they're too uh, they're too good.
Speaker 2: If you were building the perfect picture, so you gave
Speaker 2: me fastball, slider, curveball, change up. Who's using your fastball?
Speaker 8: Yeah, i'd like to think all four of those are
Speaker 8: you know mine, but uh, let's just part the taste. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, because you can't use my fastball with like
Speaker 8: because I would say, like my fastball and Clayton Kershaw's
Speaker 8: curveball or something like that, but like we're the exact
Speaker 8: opposite pitchers. Basically, I'd like to thank my fastball, Kershaw's
Speaker 8: curveball for sure, just to straight up and down curveball,
Speaker 8: change up, Scooball those are two lefties, slider man, there
Speaker 8: are so many good ones. I think a nice like
Speaker 8: for for me, like a downer, a downer slider like
Speaker 8: a de Gram, like a shorter downer slider, because that's
Speaker 8: something I don't have. But there's I mean, strider's slider.
Speaker 8: There's so many, so many ways, so many different ways
Speaker 8: to have a good slider, though so specifically a slider.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that these guys can hit this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: they talked about hitting a baseball is the hardest thing
Speaker 2: to do, and they're guys that are hitting one hundred
Speaker 2: miles an hour and it's like, so what.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 8: I'll let them do it. That's why I'm not going
Speaker 8: to try to try to get back in the box.
Speaker 3: UH.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Opening Day, Congratulations on MLB the show, that's the
Speaker 2: UH cover with Elie Dela Cruz, Gunner Henderson, and and
Speaker 2: this is honoring the twentieth anniversary of that great to
Speaker 2: talk to you again, Paul. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, Paul Skeins.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2: Steve lap is joining us on loan from CBS Sports
Speaker 2: studio analyst and college basketball analyst. Former college hoo coach
Speaker 2: at Manhattan, Villanova and UMass. You've done a great job
Speaker 2: and I've been meaning to reach out to you the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. Every time I hear you in
Speaker 2: the tournament and I always go, we should get Steve
Speaker 2: lapis On. I love the energy that you have. It's
Speaker 2: great to see you again, coach. How you doing you, Dan,
Speaker 2: It's been a long time. I think I go back
Speaker 2: to when was the first time I met you Villanova.
Speaker 5: Probably Villanova, maybe even Villanova's.
Speaker 9: An assistant coach as I was from eighty five to
Speaker 9: eighty eight, so probably back then.
Speaker 2: So you came up with the game planned to beat
Speaker 2: Georgetown in the NCAA finals.
Speaker 9: You know what.
Speaker 5: That was my first year Dan, as an assistant coach.
Speaker 9: I came from high school the year before, and people
Speaker 9: asked me about that all the time.
Speaker 5: I said, boy, what did you do? I said, well,
Speaker 5: I was getting the coffee, the sneakers. I was doing
Speaker 5: all those things in my first year.
Speaker 2: And I always maintain when people talk about that as
Speaker 2: one of the great upsets of all time, and I said,
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I think NC State beating
Speaker 2: Houston was a bigger upset Villanova. You had played Georgetown,
Speaker 2: and I think he lost by six or eight points,
Speaker 2: So you knew what you you know, you knew the battle,
Speaker 2: you knew the Big East, you knew Georgetown, and therefore
Speaker 2: I don't view it as that big of an upset,
Speaker 2: even though you guys had to play pretty much the
Speaker 2: perfect game. How do you view it? Dan?
Speaker 5: I tell people that all the time.
Speaker 9: I know, you know it's great for us that we
Speaker 9: were part of his greatest upset ever.
Speaker 5: But you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 9: We played them twice that year, lost by four, lost
Speaker 9: by six. The year before that, when I wasn't there,
Speaker 9: they beat Georgetown. Villanova Eddie picked me as a sophomore,
Speaker 9: had twenty two points and twenty rebounds against Patrick Ewing
Speaker 9: in a game that was an epic.
Speaker 5: So we knew we did.
Speaker 9: We didn't feel it like getting ready for the game.
Speaker 9: I mean, we knew we had to play well. There's
Speaker 9: no question that was an unbelievable team. And let's understand this.
Speaker 9: We shot seventy nine percent. We won by two, so
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? That tells you how good
Speaker 9: they were, but I can't agree with you more. You know,
Speaker 9: when you play somebody twice a year, we had seen
Speaker 9: Patrick Ewing nine times before that. They would have intimidated
Speaker 9: anybody else they played. And I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 9: we were happy we weren't playing Saint John's. It was
Speaker 9: a worst matchup for us because we were a matchup
Speaker 9: zone team and Chris Mullen was obviously one of the
Speaker 9: best shooters in the world. Georgetown wasn't a good shooting team.
Speaker 9: We liked that matchup better than Saint John's.
Speaker 2: You know, you start to look at the all time
Speaker 2: greats in college basketball. I don't know if Christian Latner
Speaker 2: is the last of the old time greats because they're
Speaker 2: not staying three or four years. It's usually if you're
Speaker 2: really good. I mean, Cooper Flag could be one of
Speaker 2: the great players of all time, but he's just going
Speaker 2: to be a footnote of a one and done at
Speaker 2: Duke and maybe they win a national title.
Speaker 5: You know, there's no doubt this is a new age.
Speaker 9: You know, we're not going to see the Bill Waltons
Speaker 9: and the Leuel Senders, and you know, the even you know,
Speaker 9: Christian Latner, who was a good pro but wasn't like
Speaker 9: obviously Bill Walton or Leuel Sender, yeah, or even Pat
Speaker 9: Patrick Ewing was one.
Speaker 5: Of the greatest college players that ever was. So, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just.
Speaker 9: A different age now, and even now it's even gotten
Speaker 9: crazier with this nil and transfer portal.
Speaker 5: Even schools themselves forget about the general public.
Speaker 9: It's hard for schools themselves to honor guys that are
Speaker 9: only their school for one year and then they're gone.
Speaker 2: I wondered about this. I brought it up with Dan Dakich,
Speaker 2: and I said, in Indiana never reached out to Steve
Speaker 2: Alford to coach there, because you know, Clyde Drexler was
Speaker 2: at Houston, Mullen was at Saint John's, Patrick Ewing at Georgetown.
Speaker 2: You can't hire somebody unless you know you can fire them.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I was always curious why Steve Alford
Speaker 2: never got the opportunity to coach Indiana.
Speaker 9: You know, that's that's a great point because here's a
Speaker 9: guy who's won seven hundred games in his career.
Speaker 5: He's been a tremendous coach his whole life. From a
Speaker 5: young age.
Speaker 9: He obviously was one of the greatest players in the
Speaker 9: history of the school, you know, win the championship in
Speaker 9: eighty seven, and yeah, it's just a surprising thing. What now.
Speaker 9: I think probably part of it has to do with
Speaker 9: the fact that they did coach at Iowa. That may
Speaker 9: have you know, he's got that job when he was younger,
Speaker 9: and maybe that hurt him a little bit that he
Speaker 9: coached another Big ten school. But he's a tremendous coach
Speaker 9: and you know, would have been a great one at
Speaker 9: at Indiana, no question.
Speaker 2: All right, you called games in Providence, so you had
Speaker 2: Arkansas over Camp since he had Saint John's over Omaha,
Speaker 2: and that sets up Pattino Caliperi. Where did that relationship
Speaker 2: goes sideways between those two?
Speaker 9: You know, I think it went sideways like a long
Speaker 9: time ago, to be honest, I think it's actually a
Speaker 9: little better now.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: I think part of it was when John Caliperry got
Speaker 9: the UMass job. Rick Patino's a UMass graduate and he
Speaker 9: had some input into you know, who was going to
Speaker 9: coach at the school, and it got out that Rick
Speaker 9: Pattino was not in Caliberry's corner. For Caliberry to get
Speaker 9: the job, he wanted somebody else to get So I
Speaker 9: think that's kind of where starting.
Speaker 5: We all knew each other.
Speaker 9: We all met each other at the five Star basketball
Speaker 9: camp back in nineteen eighty, so, you know, he go,
Speaker 9: we go back a long way, and those two guys
Speaker 9: go back a long way, and I think that's where
Speaker 9: and then the rivalry just grew because you know, John,
Speaker 9: they're both big personalities, as we know, and they both
Speaker 9: you know, feel like they're great basketball coaches, which they
Speaker 9: are are, and you know, I think the rivalry just
Speaker 9: grew from there.
Speaker 5: But I think it started with the UMass job.
Speaker 2: And I forget who we had on but they they
Speaker 2: said Jim Beheim, and Beheim said, you can put Patino
Speaker 2: there with Mike Skryzchewsky like he's he's on that level.
Speaker 2: Nobody's where Wooden is, you know, for obvious reasons. But
Speaker 2: he said, as far as modern day basketball coaches, greatest
Speaker 2: of all time, he would put Patino right there with
Speaker 2: coach k What about you?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Dan, no question. I mean, think about it. Besides
Speaker 5: the fact he's.
Speaker 9: Got the eight hundred and seventy five whatever wins, think
Speaker 9: about all the years he spent in the NBA, so
Speaker 9: he would have a lot.
Speaker 5: More wins in college. He's got two titles.
Speaker 9: You know, I always tell people me personally, like people
Speaker 9: ask me all the time, if you had the one
Speaker 9: game you got to win one game, who would you
Speaker 9: want to coach? I said, there's two people, Bob Knight
Speaker 9: and Rick Patino if I gotta win one game.
Speaker 2: Well that's how he praised there.
Speaker 3: He'll not.
Speaker 5: K you know here, Coach k was a great coach.
Speaker 9: I look at those guys different see Coach k he
Speaker 9: was maybe the greatest leader of all time. That was
Speaker 9: his things leadership. Not that he wasn't next to no guy.
Speaker 9: Knight and uh Patino. Those guys were tinkerers. They were
Speaker 9: excell No, not that I'm not in Please, I don't
Speaker 9: want anybody to take this like, oh what are you
Speaker 9: talking about?
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 9: Mike chefs all time, the best, one of the best.
Speaker 9: But those two guys were like they would tinker for
Speaker 9: game plans. Mikeae Shewski's philosophy was this is what we
Speaker 9: do and we will do it better than what you
Speaker 9: do and we're gonna win. These guys they would change things.
Speaker 9: They would change this guy and report they tweaked this,
Speaker 9: tweak that, and that's why. I mean one game, those
Speaker 9: guys will game plan to make it hard.
Speaker 5: For you to win.
Speaker 2: Steve Lapis CBS Sports college basketball analyst. He has McNee
Speaker 2: State and Purdue and Arkansas and Saint John Waite. Are
Speaker 2: you working in Are you the early game here?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: No, tomorrow, My game is.
Speaker 2: Oh tomorrow. I was gonna say, oh, yeah, okay. I
Speaker 2: was like, boy, I'm uh holding you back here?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I had before yesterday.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have any problem with will Wade coaching
Speaker 2: in the tournament knowing that he's going to take another job. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean, let's face it, it's it's not a great situation,
Speaker 9: you know, for the kids, school or anybody.
Speaker 5: I will say this about will Wade, though, he was
Speaker 5: very honest. I was shocked.
Speaker 9: You know, you know how it is, Dane. You've been
Speaker 9: doing this role so long. People say, well, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I don't want to talk about that now or whatever.
Speaker 9: He was very open, he said. We asked him, he
Speaker 9: said at the practice day before. He said, yeah, I'm
Speaker 9: talking to NC State. He says, but I told my
Speaker 9: players that, and my players I'm going to help them
Speaker 9: get to the next level. If guys want to transfer,
Speaker 9: we talked very openly about this, so I don't like it,
Speaker 9: but I give the guy credit that he hasn't hit
Speaker 9: from it. They were honest, they didn't lie, and you know,
Speaker 9: you gotta there's something to be said for that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with the transparency. I just find it
Speaker 2: a little weird that he's helping the university, but he
Speaker 2: might hurt the university because maybe he takes some of
Speaker 2: these players with him de n C State, maybe part
Speaker 2: of the coaching staff as well. So yes, you're helping,
Speaker 2: but then he could be hurting here in a week
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 9: There's no definite, there's no there's no doubt that if
Speaker 9: we were gonna put a scale which which way is
Speaker 9: worse than the other, there's no doubt that the fact
Speaker 9: that this came out and that.
Speaker 5: He's going, he's worse for the school and everybody involved.
Speaker 9: The only thing I'm saying is it's a bad situation
Speaker 9: and he didn't lie about it.
Speaker 5: That's all I can say.
Speaker 2: What's it like to get fired?
Speaker 5: You know, it's uh, it's it's it's it's a it's
Speaker 5: it's an interesting question. Obviously, his stings, as we know.
Speaker 9: But the thing that gets you more than anything else,
Speaker 9: is that you spend your whole life doing this thing
Speaker 9: that you think you're pretty good at and it's kind
Speaker 9: of been your dream and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 9: you know it could be over, and so you spend
Speaker 9: all your life from when you're a kid, you know,
Speaker 9: I know, for me, from when I was a kid,
Speaker 9: it's all I wanted to do was coach, coach, coach.
Speaker 5: I grew up in New York City and I coached
Speaker 5: in high school JV.
Speaker 9: I came up the ranks, and then you know, when
Speaker 9: that happens, it's a jolt because this is what you
Speaker 9: want to do, and now you don't even know.
Speaker 5: If you're gonna be able to keep doing it.
Speaker 9: And it's not like, you know, if you're an accountant
Speaker 9: and you get let go of an accountant, you'll probably
Speaker 9: find another accountant job. Unless you were scaling or something,
Speaker 9: you'll find another account job. This business is very small,
Speaker 9: and you know, I mean, unfortunately, college coaches don't get
Speaker 9: recycled the way they do in the NBA. So you know,
Speaker 9: I had to kind of remake myself, you know, by
Speaker 9: getting into TV, and it's worked out unbelievable.
Speaker 5: CBS has been great to meet. And the other thing
Speaker 5: about it, Dan, is you know, publicly.
Speaker 9: It's embarrassing, you know what I mean. You know, it's
Speaker 9: in the something happens to you like that's in the newspapers.
Speaker 9: It's you know, everybody knows, everybody knows it. It's not
Speaker 9: like you know, again, you work in an accounting firm
Speaker 9: or whatever, and so something that you can not say
Speaker 9: anything to anybody, nobody will know. Everybody knows. And let's
Speaker 9: face it, and I don't think so. I think I
Speaker 9: got cut short at you masks big time. I think
Speaker 9: we were on the on.
Speaker 3: The right road.
Speaker 5: But you know what happens is you know, that's my story.
Speaker 9: The story on the outside is this guy wasn't good
Speaker 9: enough and that's sucks.
Speaker 2: What do you see with Cooper Flag If I said, uh,
Speaker 2: maybe question marks with him of what he's going to
Speaker 2: take to the NBA about his game?
Speaker 9: Question marks? Boy, it's really hard to find him. You know,
Speaker 9: you wonder because he's so skilled. You know, we're talking
Speaker 9: about a guy who lead his team in every category.
Speaker 9: So I mean, here's a six nine, six ten kid
Speaker 9: who not only shoots, rebounds, assists, steals blots.
Speaker 5: I mean he does it all now?
Speaker 9: College basketball is different today than it was, you know,
Speaker 9: twenty years ago. There's no doubt about it. But you know,
Speaker 9: I would say, how's he going to hold up physically?
Speaker 9: If I had to pick something, That's probably where I
Speaker 9: would go, is how's he going to hold up physically?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you had conversations or you've talked
Speaker 2: to coaches who've had these conversations when a kid thinks
Speaker 2: he's ready. I remember talking to Jim Beayheim about this,
Speaker 2: and he had a player who wanted to go, and
Speaker 2: he said, don't go. And the player went and didn't succeed,
Speaker 2: But he said, you know, I'm I'm assessing your talent.
Speaker 2: Do I want you to go if you're ready to go? Yes?
Speaker 2: But I think the player may have thought that Jim
Speaker 2: was being selfish by saying, no, you're not ready to go.
Speaker 2: But it turns out, you know, the kid wasn't ready
Speaker 2: to go. It's a tough conversation to have, I would say,
Speaker 2: because it's a kid. And then you have parents who
Speaker 2: are involved in this. So do you have any background
Speaker 2: stories on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean I had I had two kids.
Speaker 9: I had, you know, Tim Thomas and Kerry Kittles and
Speaker 9: and Tim was one of the first guys to leave
Speaker 9: after year. He left in nineteen ninety seven. He stayed
Speaker 9: one year. He left, and I didn't think he was ready.
Speaker 9: And I and I'll tell you what I told him.
Speaker 9: I said, Tim, here's the thing I think you need
Speaker 9: because that team that he was on his freshman year,
Speaker 9: we had three seniors who were really good players, who
Speaker 9: had been there for four years and won a lot
Speaker 9: of games, and so he was obviously a big part
Speaker 9: of the scouting report, but he was.
Speaker 5: A deep part of the scouting report.
Speaker 9: And I said, I think you need a year where
Speaker 9: this thing is going to focus on you. You are
Speaker 9: the We had these other three singers that were all
Speaker 9: good players, so it was hard for you to just
Speaker 9: get all of the attention in the scouting report or whatever.
Speaker 9: I said, I think you need a year of being
Speaker 9: the man here. It's on you. You got to get
Speaker 9: this done for us to win. It's not like last year.
Speaker 9: We can go into the background and we could still win.
Speaker 9: Here it's about you now. The difference for Tim was
Speaker 9: his mom was older. She was cleaning houses, you know,
Speaker 9: you know, so you know, from a financial standpoint, he
Speaker 9: had to go.
Speaker 5: He wasn't ready from a basketball stand, but he had
Speaker 5: a good career. Don't get me long. He made a
Speaker 5: lot of money.
Speaker 9: I don't know if Tim ever really became I thought
Speaker 9: he could be an NBA All Star.
Speaker 5: He wasn't.
Speaker 9: He was a really good player, and I'm not saying
Speaker 9: that's why he wasn't. But you know, it's funny, Dan,
Speaker 9: he came back to me like two years later.
Speaker 5: As the boy coach.
Speaker 9: I wish I would have stayed because not so much
Speaker 9: for the not so much for the basketball even, but
Speaker 9: just to be a college kid.
Speaker 5: For another year. It's not the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 2: All right, give me the team that could make it
Speaker 2: to the Final four where we'll look back and say,
Speaker 2: I'll be damn. Steve Lapis knew what he was talking about.
Speaker 5: Maryland. You know, Maryland is a team and it's kind
Speaker 5: of under the rate.
Speaker 9: I mean, I could easily give you, you know, Houston, Auburn,
Speaker 9: But a team that you got.
Speaker 5: To keep your eye on is Maryland.
Speaker 9: Maryland's starting five is as good as any starting five
Speaker 9: in the country. They have no bench, So now could
Speaker 9: that get them in the end. Yeah, they get into
Speaker 9: some foul, trouble, whatever. You know, this thing, this tournament.
Speaker 9: One game, you're out, but you take you keep an
Speaker 9: eye on Maryland in.
Speaker 5: Terms of what they do.
Speaker 9: Now you watch the loose today because you know what,
Speaker 9: in my house, we used to have a pool every year, me,
Speaker 9: my wife and my two kids.
Speaker 5: I was last every year of the four of us.
Speaker 5: So that tells you where this thing is at.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like Maryland, but I don't like what's going on
Speaker 2: with the coach and the athletic director there. It feels
Speaker 2: like both are out the door. And now you're gonna
Speaker 2: face Grand Cannon. And I know you're ten and a
Speaker 2: half point favorites, but I just if you're not focused, man,
Speaker 2: it just it'll bite you right in the ass. That
Speaker 2: that would be my big concern with Maryland.
Speaker 5: Well you know that that was.
Speaker 9: My concern about McNee yesterday and I said it.
Speaker 5: They couldn't played any better. So you know you're right.
Speaker 5: And I said the same thing yesterday. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it again because the McNees they burned me.
Speaker 2: Yes. Uh, keep the passion, keep the enthusiasm and thanks
Speaker 2: for joining us, Steve.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Davey.
Speaker 5: It's an honor to be on with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Bud. Steve Lapis, CBS Sports college
Speaker 2: basketball Analyst,