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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Lexus code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the beginning

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Speaker 3: of February. It's actually the day after Valentine's Day, so

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Speaker 3: hope everything worked out for all those who celebrate. We

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Speaker 3: are going to hear some amazing correspondence from our friends

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Speaker 3: around the world. Before we do any of that, however,

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Speaker 3: we have a special announcement from an anonymous listener who

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Speaker 3: reached out to us. As you know, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 3: we like to release classic episodes every week. We recently

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Speaker 3: released a classic episode on asymmetrical warfare called the ghost

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Speaker 3: Net from twenty eighteen, and in that episode we played

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Speaker 3: a bit of a prank on our fellow conspiracy realist.

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Speaker 3: We had not heard anything about this prank for years

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Speaker 3: and years and years until quite recently. As a matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, last night before we recorded this episode, we

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Speaker 4: I don know, man, I think I think you pretty

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Speaker 4: Okay, should we just read it?

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Speaker 3: Why don't you open it up?

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Speaker 2: Right, here's a dramatic reenactment of the email. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: In the last episode, your jokes about Google's assistant caused

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Speaker 2: another episode. I'm freaking furious. Fuck you guys, freking idiots.

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Speaker 2: I can't convey the absolute insane level of outried hatred.

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Speaker 2: I have for you fting morons right now, few me,

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Speaker 3: And then four minutes later we receive another missive from

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Speaker 3: your lives. Uttered nincompoops, nimrods, buffoons, knuckle draggers. I hope

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Speaker 3: you all's day tomorrow is as as ours will be. Facts.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's flowery talk. Oh wow, I really.

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Speaker 2: Hope we bleeped all those those a lot of bleeps.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness, points for creativity on the swears. First

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Speaker 3: Best Valentine's Day card ever.

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Speaker 4: this is all it takes.

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Speaker 5: Good day, good day, and good day to you, sir,

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Speaker 5: oh most certainly, I hope you're having a good day

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Speaker 4: It's like speed dating.

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Speaker 2: Just I see the connections there. The what did they

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Speaker 2: It's best known for creating America's Army, the official video

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Speaker 2: You can find a great article in Popular Mechanics that

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Speaker 4: one with zero swears. Zero swears in this one from

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Speaker 4: Scurvy Earl, which is a really great nickname. And I

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Speaker 4: know we say all the nicknames are great, but they

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Speaker 4: I do believe we have. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 4: Might make the giggle stick stop working, but we got

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Speaker 4: cialis for that too. Or say you've been feeling super

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Speaker 4: This is actually very close to home for me, Scurvy Earl,

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Speaker 4: Bad news. You got hypothyroidism. Not sure why, but there's

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Speaker 4: But I'm being hyperbolic, he says, But you get it.

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Speaker 4: I think the cause of this issue is multi dimensional.

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Speaker 4: Hospitals aren't allowing doctors the time to sit with a

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Speaker 4: You go to an appointment and the doctor talks with

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Speaker 4: I think that the schools of medicine don't teach the

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Speaker 4: to keep the population medicated instead of cured. Why cure

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Speaker 4: someone when you could have a lifelong consumer of your products. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: big fan of the show, Cuba, great work, guys, Midwest

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Speaker 4: sends its best, Scurvy Earl, oh Man, Bang Bang Bang

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Speaker 4: bang bag. This is stuff we've talked about over the years,

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Speaker 4: The idea like do cures exists that they're keeping from us.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's like a bit, you know, on the extreme

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird because in a lot of other countries

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Speaker 2: that one billion dollar profit the scurvy Earl, and we

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Speaker 2: some point, Earl, that profit would not exist, right, You

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Speaker 2: that's how we function correct me if I'm wrong, there

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Speaker 4: And we pay plenty. Let me tell you in terms

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Speaker 2: And the response is, well, do you want ray guns

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Speaker 2: or do you want to take care of that problem

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Speaker 2: you're having with your thyroid? You know, I'm just joking.

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Speaker 3: That's like, yeah, there's a scurvy earl. You're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 3: This is something that we have, we have clocked for years,

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Speaker 3: from a from a budgetary standpoint, it makes sense that

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Speaker 3: We do have to say we've heard from some people

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Speaker 2: Is it? Project twenty twenty five the one that's just

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Speaker 3: a symptom like that excellent what was it, lexapro sialis,

434
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: and then that thing that treats a symptom creates a

435
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 3: side effect that has to be treated with something else

436
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: that creates.

437
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: A side effect for every ill and even a pill

438
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: for the pills.

439
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: Ills and ill with every pill. You know what I mean.

440
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: It is I think a known problem, and it's weird

441
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: because we get into this kind of black box situation,

442
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Speaker 3: Like obviously we don't want to think of people working

443
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: in these industries as sort of like ghoulish monsters planning

444
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: to keep folks sick and addictive. But you could say

445
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: it's part of the larger move we see throughout the

446
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: West to rob people of the right to ownership society

447
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: and make everyone an unending subscriberber.

448
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it all it's all competition, right guys. I mean, ultimately,

449
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: that's what it comes down to. Each one of those

450
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: consultants we're talking about, this shows up. They're competing against

451
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: the other consultants from the other drug companies, right and

452
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: all the healthcare organizations are competing against the other ones

453
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Speaker 2: to get more business.

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Speaker 4: And that's why it you know, I mean it should

455
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Speaker 4: be public. Let me see whatever. Look, we're not here

456
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 4: to propose a new system exactly, but it does feel like,

457
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 4: you know, and whatever big government being what it is,

458
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: you know, it can be its own problem. But it

459
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: does feel like when you have that marketplace mentality. Well

460
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: you're talking about, Matt, the competition, you know, the rivalries,

461
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 4: all of that stuff, and the very accurately depicted in

462
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: the email lobbying esque kind of pharma reps, it's not

463
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Speaker 4: in the best interest of the consumer. But then people

464
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: that are proposing to the system say, no, this is

465
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Speaker 4: exactly what makes it in the best interest of the consumer,

466
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: because this competition yields better quality stuff. But I just

467
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 4: don't buy that, man, I just don't.

468
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: But to Men's point, they're each individual person, as you're saying,

469
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: we're not aligning anybody individually. Each individual person is just

470
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: competing in their own lane, right, So they're not doing

471
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: anything wrong, especially in their own eyes. They're just they're

472
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: doing the thing they're supposed to do, and they're doing

473
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Speaker 2: it as best as they can.

474
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 4: So are the Nazis. I'm being a jerk, but I'm

475
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: just saying, following orders, you know, you're part of the system. Look,

476
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: I'm not saying health caver reviders are like Nazis. I'm

477
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: just saying it's like a it's a slippery slope, you know,

478
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 4: if you're saying, I was just doing what I was told.

479
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: But it's impossible to be a part of the system

480
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: if you don't play by those rules. So I don't know.

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00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: I read this old Turkish proverb recently that I had

482
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: never encountered before, and it said the forest is dwindling

483
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: because the trees keep getting chopped down, and they keep

484
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: voting for the axe because the axe has a wooden handle.

485
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I think it's one of them.

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00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah.

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Speaker 7: That's good, be right, But It is true though, that

488
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 7: when we're talking about these systemic problems, we're talking about

489
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 7: things that don't necessarily have an easy instant fix, and

490
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 7: that's what people want.

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00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: We want an easy instant fix, and we have to

492
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: look at the stakes that people look. Every time I

493
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: hear a politician of any stripe touting the benefits of

494
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: things that seem clearly against the interest of the public,

495
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: one of my first questions is who's funding them? Right,

496
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: who pay for that campaign, what fundraisers are they going to?

497
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: And quite often we have to admit, in the US,

498
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 3: privatized healthcare has a lot of pull. They invest a

499
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: lot of the money they take from the premiums and

500
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: the various like employer dependent deals, they take a lot

501
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: of that profit and they put it right back into

502
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: DC and they've had excellent results with that. The problem

503
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: is those excellent results for those companies do not seem

504
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: to bear or do not seem to translate into excellent

505
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: results for the American public using those healthcare plans.

506
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Speaker 4: Also, when we see the results of things like what

507
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: happened with Purdue Pharma, you know, and we know that

508
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: they were put how hard they were pushing, and how

509
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: hard those reps were pushing, and how susceptible the healthcare

510
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: system and the providers were to being pushed in that way.

511
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: That makes us extra suspicious of this kind of stuff continuing.

512
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, that's it.

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00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: I yield my time, get THEMN booster shots, boys steal

514
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: my coffee.

515
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: And went every quarter. Hey, you can subscribe for Booster plus.

516
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: Booster Max. It is weird because we do in the

517
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: United States, We really do have this like leveled system

518
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: for health care. It depends on what you can afford initially, right,

519
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: and then what can you afford over time? And then

520
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: you have to decide, now, what can I afford? What

521
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 2: do I think I can afford? How healthy do I

522
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be in the next year? How healthy

523
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: is my family gonna be? It should be okay, I

524
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: think I can exist on this level this year. But

525
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: you're literally gambling and that something comes up and then

526
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: you're trapped in debt for the rest of your life.

527
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: But not only are you trapped, all of the people

528
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: that come after you and your family lion are trapped

529
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: in that medical debt because it don't go away unless

530
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: you do a really cool thing like did you hear

531
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: about New York's awesome move they made. There's a nonprofit

532
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: that was working with the City of New York and

533
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: they erased the medical debt of tens of thousands of people.

534
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: It was incredible.

535
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm wondering. I've been counseled by when my mother passed away,

536
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: by some folks who are smarter than me, saying that

537
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: they couldn't come after me for her medical debt because

538
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: of the way we out with her estates and whatever. Again,

539
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: this is above my pay grade. But yeah, I hope

540
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: I don't need to rethink that, because she definitely passed

541
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: away with you know, some some medical debt.

542
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be culpable for that.

543
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: No, But it depends. That's the scary thing. I think.

544
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: It depends what state are you in, how good of

545
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: an estate planner slash you know, whoever's dealing with finances

546
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: at the end of someone's life, how much information was collected,

547
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: and how much was preemptively set aside right for when

548
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: that occurs, if you're caught unawares in a situation like that,

549
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: especially if someone gets very sick right and then is

550
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: very sick and needs to be hospitalized for a long time.

551
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: It can be a horrible situation for an entire family. Man,

552
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm obviously emotionally right going through that with someone who's sick,

553
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: but then the bills that can come afterwards, it can

554
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: destroy an individual or a family.

555
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Absolutely, am I supposed to like reach out to

556
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: my mom's debtors, Like.

557
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm overstating. I'm overstating on purpose, like.

558
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: A hyperbolically in my head about.

559
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: This, because they, depending on the situation, they can pull

560
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: that and then if you don't have a good attorney

561
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: or somebody who's on your side that is really good

562
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: with money, then you can get raked.

563
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: Basically, what they try to do is they try they

564
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: use intimidation.

565
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 4: And it goes down. Well, if you just give us this,

566
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: we'll leave you alone.

567
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Exactly.

568
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: It has already been sold sold to a party, so

569
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: they're on commission. They're sleep so gross, so gross, you guys.

570
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: It's like mafioso tactics. It's bad.

571
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: You're safe, man.

572
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: Yes, this is all I think on Mike, because this

573
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: is this is our country. This sucks. It's like that

574
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: we have to worry about this stuff, you know. Not

575
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: not to mention the treatment aspect that is subpar in

576
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 4: the first place, then you have to deal with all

577
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: of this crazy amount of rapacious debt.

578
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from everybody who has been in

579
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: these similar situations, because this is definitely predatory.

580
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: Right.

581
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: We've outlined several circumstances in which this is which encounter

582
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: provable predatory conspiracies. Right, it's so easy to lose ourselves

583
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: in the noise of like political affiliation or these ideologies

584
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: of you know, what is or is not correct behavior,

585
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: But the reality of it is that the system is broken.

586
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: I likewise yield my time.

587
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it to say.

588
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm on the edge of being emotional about this stuff

589
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: now that we've gone the full gamut with it.

590
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: Oh, we've got a nice one we can end on.

591
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: I think that's probably a good idea. Why don't we

592
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: take a quick break and then we'll come back with

593
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: a nice one.

594
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: And we have returned. First, we're going to hear from

595
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: JBB thirteen fifty one, just a quick note, an excellent

596
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: response to our conversation about the cozy relationship cartels have

597
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: with us hardware. Don't worry, guys, this is not the

598
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: nice one yet. This is just an important announcement. Our

599
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: pal JBB, who is the creator of a podcast called

600
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: Federal Bites, noticed something that I realized we didn't point

601
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 3: out the ATFS operation Fast and Furious, also known as

602
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: the gun Walking scandal. We had talked about this in

603
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: previous episodes, but we didn't mention the conspiracy that JBB

604
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: points out, which is even today there are long running

605
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: questions over whether the DEA and the Sonola drug cartel

606
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: made a secret conspiratorial deal to run hardware. Because one

607
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: of our big questions, of course, was yes, it is

608
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: technically possible to have a huge network of people right

609
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: going through gray market buying, buying heavy and convenient to

610
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 3: purchase hardware, knowing there's a certain rate of attrition and

611
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: counting on a certain percentage of those folks to get

612
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: away and move the hardware. But that's so many moving parts,

613
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: it just seems somewhat implausible, Right, It'd.

614
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 4: Be more likely there'd be a direct conduit, right.

615
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that would be the easier way to

616
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: do it. If we asked chat GPT, chat GPT with

617
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: us to make friends with the DEA, Right.

618
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: The red button who cares.

619
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: Right escally in an unpredictable way, never let them see

620
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: you coming. So we just wanted to say shout out

621
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: to JBB on that we have talked about fast Furious

622
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: in the past, but we definitely want to draw attention

623
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: to that in the conversation whenever you're hearing this news,

624
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: because it is a piece that needs to be there.

625
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: So thank you JBB. Here's the fun one, A bit

626
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: of a conversation. Dear Ben, Nol and Matt. Hello, my

627
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: name is Emma and I'm a twenty three year old

628
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: new nurse and recent college graduate. Congratulations, Emma, nurses are

629
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: the good nurses are some of the good guys, as

630
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 3: we say, so, thank you for helping save the world.

631
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: Emma says, I'm a huge fan of the podcast. I'm

632
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: extremely passionate about politics. I love learning. I have begun

633
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: to try to spark my own change by writing to

634
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: my congress folks when I feel particularly moved on a

635
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: subject such as the mental health field. While I wish

636
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: I had a cool conspiracy to inform you all of

637
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: I come with questions how did you all come to

638
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: be as informed as you are? The more I listen,

639
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: I realize how big the world truly is. And there's

640
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: so many things I don't know. I aspire to make

641
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: systemic change in the healthcare world someday using my own

642
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: experiences as a nurse and hopefully someday as a doctor.

643
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: Don't worry, Emma, You're going to get there. I am

644
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: truly inspired by the research you do for your show

645
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: and wish to continue on and expanding my own worldview,

646
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: be those conspiracies or whatnot. I understand you all are

647
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: busy and just appreciate you taking the time to read

648
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: my email. Thank you so much for the wonderful content

649
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: you provide. We'll call you nurse Emma. So one thing.

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Speaker 3: First off, thank you so much for the kind note.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident, at least in my reply here. How

652
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Speaker 3: did you all come to be as informed as you are?

653
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: I am one of the least informed people I have

654
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: ever met. There's so much stuff I have no idea.

655
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Speaker 4: About, Like, well, I got to know what you don't know?

656
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Speaker 4: But I mean it's his repetition, is what does it?

657
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Speaker 3: Just as Emma heard the conversation we have where all

658
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: three of us tried with middling success to understand how

659
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 3: magnets work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, you're.

661
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Speaker 4: Making self deprecating then, and I do appreciate it, but

662
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: I would argue that you're much more informed than you

663
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: give yourself.

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Speaker 2: What for listen to this week's Strange News episode and

665
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: hear me attempt to describe the large Hadron collider in

666
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: particle physics. Good luck understanding any of that, because I

667
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: don't understand it. But the cool thing, Emma. Honestly, just

668
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: to be serious about this, we have been tremendously lucky

669
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: for over ten years, and for Ben and I much

670
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: longer than that. We have been tasked with learning things

671
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: to then take that information. And I was going to say,

672
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: regurgitate it, speak speak what we have learned into a

673
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: camera or microphone. Right, That's been our job to take

674
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: in information and say it back, particularly in a way

675
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: that is more easily understandable than very complicated maybe jargon

676
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: that would exist within a specific set of knowledge. Right,

677
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 2: we are.

678
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Speaker 4: Professional novices, exactly.

679
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Speaker 3: I think that it reminds me too of one of

680
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: the one of the things that always stayed with me is,

681
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Speaker 3: you know, the mark of great understanding of something, and

682
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 3: many human areas have said this. The mark of great

683
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: understanding of something is to be able to explain it

684
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Speaker 3: in an understandable way, in a simple, uncomplicated way. And

685
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: so a lot of what we have done is I

686
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: think most important thing we could say. In any field

687
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: of study, any industry, any personal interest, the main differentiator

688
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: between the great learners and the dabblers is that you

689
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: must be passionately, unendingly curious. Yes, you should be incredibly

690
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: excited when you don't know something, and the world is

691
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 3: both understandable and worth understanding. Stole our life from our.

692
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Speaker 4: Exactly, So flick with it.

693
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: It's so slick with it.

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Speaker 4: And the moment you think you know everything is the

695
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: moment you're kind of of no use to anybody because

696
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: you don't. It's not possible, and uh, you're probably going

697
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 4: to come off as insufferable, and you just you're doing

698
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: you're shooting yourself in the foot by closing yourself off

699
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: to new experiences and new perspectives, you know. So I

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00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: just I think we always talk about two about being

701
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: self aware, and again, like I was saying a minute ago,

702
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: knowing what you know and knowing what you don't know

703
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: and what you have left to learn, and just being

704
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: a lifetime learner and just always being open to new

705
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: perspectives and new experiences, and we're very lucky we get

706
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: to do this. We're grateful that. We're grateful to you

707
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 4: for listening and for first of all, speaking so kindly

708
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: and highly about what we do. And it means the

709
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: world to hear that.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was a nice book end given.

711
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: YEA give an emotion a little different way.

712
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, we're just a bunch of curious little cat

713
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: boys and we're just out here batting away.

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Speaker 4: You know, I know that come out. I'm like a

715
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: dog with a ball.

716
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Speaker 3: This is the this is the fun horrible joker.

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: That's great. This this is.

718
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Speaker 3: The funniest thing to ema or one of the most

719
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: fun things I should say. Uh, when we hang out

720
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: with our cohort, you can ask anybody what's one weird

721
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: unusual fact you heard this week, and it'll be any

722
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: number of things. And the four of us doc holiday

723
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: and all that. Myself, we all come from pretty different

724
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: backgrounds and so we have a we have different worldviews,

725
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: we have different areas of expertise, and we I think

726
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: it's safe to say, I don't know how often it

727
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: happens for you guys, I think it's safe to say

728
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: we often lean on each other and say like, hey,

729
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: what do you think about this? Or what is this thing?

730
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: And we do that with everybody. I don't know if

731
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: you can do that with everybody you meet, if you

732
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: can without falling into platitudes, If you can treat everyone

733
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: you meet as a teacher, then you're gonna find they

734
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: have something to teach you. And then that is the

735
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: best way to be informed, especially if you disagree with

736
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: some of those people.

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Speaker 4: And the three of us each have our own kind

738
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: of flavor that we bring to the conversation and the

739
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 4: our own particular little realms of curiosity. There's a lot

740
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: of overlap, sure, but I mean, I think the reason

741
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: that it's fun that we have all three of us

742
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: on the show is that we're able to kind of

743
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: have this holistic representation and maybe a lot of questions

744
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: that folks in the audience have because we're asking the

745
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: same questions you are.

746
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: You know.

747
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: There you go, And I think it's appropriate to have

748
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: to have us end on this email. Emma, I'm keeping

749
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: my time here pretty short tonight because you are a

750
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: healthcare professional, right and the pandemic has proved to us

751
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: something that was obvious to healthcare professionals well before the

752
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: rest of the world caught on, which is that it's

753
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: often a thankless job, right and unfortunately the good guy

754
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 3: jobs are often thankless jobs. So with that, I want

755
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: you to know everybody working in the medical field in

756
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: any capacity, we are grateful that you are here, and

757
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: we know you have war stories. Dudes, tell us tell

758
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: us the stuff inside the medical industry that they don't

759
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: want you to know. I got to tell you. One

760
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: of the biggest hospitals in Atlanta, Georgia is Grady. Grady

761
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Speaker 3: Hospital has a bit of a reputation. It's one of

762
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Speaker 3: the top burn wards in the country.

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Speaker 4: Is Shady Grady. Nobody calls it that. I think I

764
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: maybe made that up. Maybe someone's called also used.

765
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Speaker 3: To be home to one of the most surreal McDonald's

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Speaker 3: that I've ever visited, and I've been to a lot

767
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Speaker 3: of McDonald's.

768
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Speaker 4: But also, can we point out that it's weird that

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Speaker 4: in the United States there are McDonald's and hospitals that's

770
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: a little weird.

771
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Speaker 3: Like next to it. But it's like I was in there.

772
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Speaker 4: Are the Children's hospital in fact, and there was a

773
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: McDonald's for the longest and maybe it's still there, but

774
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: it's a little you know.

775
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was in line behind people, probably should

776
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Speaker 3: have still been in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: So having these.

778
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Speaker 3: Friends in Grady, I got to tell you one thing

779
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: you will find, Emma, as your continue to pursue the

780
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: field of medicine, your sense of humor is going to change.

781
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil it too much, but get ready,

782
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 3: your sense of humor is going to take a turn.

783
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 3: And speaking of taking a turn, we're going to turn

784
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Speaker 3: the page on tonight's program. We will be back next

785
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: evening with even more stuff they don't want you to know.

786
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Speaker 3: Thank you to Emma, Thank you to Scrivy Earl, thank

787
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: you to Rob, thank you to JBB, and of course

788
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: thank you to Anonymous. We hope that you join the

789
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Speaker 3: show with us in the future. We try to be

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Speaker 3: easy to find.

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Speaker 4: Online, correct Wendo. You can find us at the handle

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793
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: there's tons of great video content coming at you every

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Speaker 4: single week. You can find it to the handle Conspiracy

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Speaker 4: Stuff Show. However, on Instagram and Dick doc.

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Speaker 2: We do a quick spin on the words of our

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Speaker 2: initial emailer. Here in this episode, we cannot convey the

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Speaker 2: absolute insane levels of outright love we have for you,

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Speaker 2: of your lives. Wow, that was really nice.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,680
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