WEBVTT - Thunder Dominate Game 2, Knicks Coaching Search Begins 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.600 On this episode of the Heat Check. Game two is 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.520 in the books. And if you didn't have any confidence 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.520 in okay, see after game one? Which what are you smoking? 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.720 We have a full blown series on our hands, is 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.280 it though? Is it? Or it? Did Indiana get themselves 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.360 one win and one win only? And it's just about 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.959 to be a smacking from then on. The Pacers and 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.400 Thunder are throwing haymakers and I'm here to break it down. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.720 We also have a ton of tea from around the 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.040 league we haven't had much time for, so put on 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.120 put in your Lipton Cup because we have lots to 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:40.840 talk about. Wyatt. You're listening to the Hottest, the Hottest. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.960 It'd be a podcast out here. I said what I said, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.599 it's the heat Check Check Check, which just up critter two. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:56.600 Finals are two games, and let me say the narratives. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.760 The narratives, baby, they are all over the place. Game 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.720 one we add people ready to build a statue outside 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.480 of Game Bridge for Tyrese Halliburton most clutch player of 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:13.200 all time, myself included myself included Pacers, Steel won game 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.080 on the road, and it's like, ooh, could Indy be 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:22.440 the twenty sixteen Cleveland Cavaliers. After Game two, OKAC put 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.200 them to night night, full on beat down. It was 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.160 a sixteen point win, but it felt like so much more, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.320 so much more after two games. A lot of people 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.160 don't have a clue on how this series is gonna 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:41.600 shake out. I feel personally like, Okasey's just too much 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.720 for them boys, I really do. Let's talk it through 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.000 Kenny Carraway and I jumped on Casey from DLO and 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.680 Casey thirteen twenty. ESPN jumped on on the horn. Right 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.440 after Game one. We were riding high on the Pacers bandwagon. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.520 I've been riding high pretty much all year. So I 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.760 texted my friend congratulations. Remember I told you I texted 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.760 them the congratulations when they made the finals, and they 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.120 said four more. I don't know if they were watching 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.200 a lot of okay see before when they said that, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.400 because then after they got Game one, I say, congratulations, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.600 this is the most magical run of basketball I've ever 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.720 seen in my goddamn life. And the response was gonna 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.680 be tough to beat these guys. Three more times. I say, Oh, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.920 they know they're in trouble. They know. Then Game two happened. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.280 The train hit the wall, the offense went to a stall. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.120 Tyrese Halliburton went into the fourth quarter with just four 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:41.000 points on nine shots. We cannot have Halliburton taking less 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.400 than double digit shots in a beatdown. We need him 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.000 to force the issue. That's what the good fucking ISO 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.120 baller point guards do, right, Like, that's what even Steph 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.440 who comes off the ball, that's what he does. He 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.760 knows it's it's time. Okay, it's time. It's it's dame time. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.280 We need more of Tyrese Haliburton say I'm gonna put 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.360 this team on my back. The Pacers were already in 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.040 a deep poll because only two teams have ever gone 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.320 up two oh starting on the road in the finals, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.760 so this is never gonna probably be the game that 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.200 they won. And you could tell though that the Thunder 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.880 they made a lot of adjustments. They weren't just resting 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.840 on their laurels of what they did in Game one. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.760 They had so much respect for Indy Dagno kept the 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.200 starters in until almost the buzzer. They were up nineteen 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.480 points to start the fourth quarter, twenty midway through eighteen 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.880 two minutes to go, and it was like, we don't 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:42.320 got this. We're not taking chances with these fuckers who 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:47.840 continuously come back down twenty. Meanwhile, Rick Carlisle shockingly pulled 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.560 the ripcord for four minutes left. I was like, wow, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.560 you've been down twenty with this point at this point before. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.040 What do you What do you see? I don't see. Well, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.520 he was seeing an offense that looked very stagnant. He 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.960 was seeing that the Thunder had these boys on the ropes. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.760 He would seeing that these the Thunder role players could 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.600 not be stopped. We got some Johnny Furfey minutes, not 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:14.240 Johnny Murphy. Johnny Furfey, Okay, a guy who is a 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.760 rookie and barely played and is now guarding the reigning MVP. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.839 That's who we saw. Okay, So he was a little 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.680 shook it. Carlisle said after the game. Sometimes you have 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.920 to make tough decisions. That was an easy one, meaning 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.039 I knew these guys didn't have it. I knew these 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:37.400 guys didn't have it, And honestly, I think the Pacers 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.440 new listen, if we could steal game one, that's pretty 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.120 much the game we're stealing, because once they see what 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.880 we do, they're gonna make adjustments as well. They said, 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.200 let's just not punt game two. We'll compete and then 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.920 if we don't got it, we don't got it. Let's 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.720 put our guys on ice and wait for our time 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.520 in Indy and then put the pressure on. And also 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.880 Aliburton was visibly limping after game two, which is not 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.760 good considering that he got into a little bit of 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:11.960 injury issue last season going into the Eastern Conference Finals 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:16.000 against Boston Carlile always playing chesne. And then on the 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.000 other side, we got to talk about Mark Dagnoll. The 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.400 dude is just this is a great example of a 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.640 guy coming out of nowhere because we didn't know who 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:30.080 he was like at all. He came there the most 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.400 and they were in the middle of the rebuild, so 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.040 we kind of weren't like really paying attention to what 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.720 they were doing, right, But he was the most under 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.080 the radar coach, just slowly surely building this team up 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.520 into this monster that they are now. And he made 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.960 a very smart adjustment. He did the two big thing. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.680 He did it. We didn't know if he would, We 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.839 didn't know if it was successful, We didn't know if 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.560 it was a good idea. Isaiah Hartenstein and Chet Holmgren 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.039 on the foot at the same time, what would it be. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.119 Maybe they're better going No, they took away Indianapolis's game 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.640 plan of going down low and pretty much completely. And 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.919 I don't know if it just raddled them or what, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.080 but I was yelling at my TV, dump it down inside, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.920 come on, just get it, get it to them inside, 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.520 especially when it was just one big The Pacers got 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.800 just one post touch to Siakam. All night. They blitzed 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.479 Taliburton a lot. He didn't look comfortable, which we knew 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.520 was going to occur because it happened against Anthony Edwards 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.760 and it happened against John Moran. John Morant was injured 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.080 and taken out of the series. Derrennie Smith and Nemhard 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:42.640 to beat him for three They looked just absolutely befuddled. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.600 They knew that they were taking horrible shots, and they 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.760 were like, these are the best shots we're gonna get 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.919 right now. This contested two guys draping around me, but 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.480 somehow no one's open. That's what we got. A lot 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.080 of can tested jumpers from deep from Miles Turner and 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.479 Aaron Nesmith and Andrew Nemhard just getting snuffed all the 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.040 way around. One time I saw a possession where they 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.120 missed five I think four or five consecutive nasty jumpers 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.960 got their own rebound, and I'm like, these guys know 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.119 they are cooked. They are cooked, and it worked. It worked. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.680 Haliburton had five points on seven shots through three quarters, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.640 drop twelve, and the fourth the game was over. The 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.000 game was over at that point. How about you, Halliburton, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.720 see that these other guys are making shots and listen. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.600 I like Halliburton, but the criticism is fair. When your 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.360 guys are passing it to are ice cold, don't just 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.800 wait for them to maybe magically get warm, for you 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.120 to start over, for you to just take over the game. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.960 We need you to take over the game. We need 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.360 you to not get into like the last two minutes 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.400 before you start to be aggressive. I know that Halliburton 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.960 doesn't need thirty to win this game. I know I 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.560 know other guys they can go off. But when the 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.960 guys that you're passing the ball to are eighteen for 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.480 forty three, I'm thirty three percent from deep. I don't 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.520 don't know what you do with that. Obi Topphin was 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.960 one for eight. Fuck you, Obi Toppin. I had Obi 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.120 Toppin to have two threes after five threes the game 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.600 before that hurts. Credit to Okac's defense. They made things 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.880 just insanely miserable for Indiana. You could tell these guys 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.520 wanted no part of it. It looked like there was 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 an extra guy out there. Caruso Cruse is like a 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.320 little pest. By the way, Alex Caruso off the bench. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.559 The we call them the Janitor aka the god who 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.559 was a key part of the Lakers and what they 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.600 did winning the title. The man was everywhere. How is 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:57.920 he moving so much? He's just always fouling, making your 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.559 life hell, and somehow there never call it because again 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:06.800 he's always fouling. And then offensively, Okayse, he just provided 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:13.440 huge changes. Mark Dagno again coming through with adjustments. So yeah, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.800 you had lou Dorton, Case and Wallace who weren't doing much. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.160 They combined for seven points. But guess what, Alex Caruso 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.360 got more minutes, came off the bench, gave him twenty 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.640 points with four threes. We got to see a little 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.160 Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins. Huh, yeah we did. I 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.000 had to explain this to my friend, like who are 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.840 those guys? Yeah, exactly who are those guys. That's Aaron 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.400 Wiggins eighteen points five for eight from Deep. He looked 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:43.240 like exactly the spark from Deep that Okase he needed, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.440 which is like, let's be honest. You're gonna get some 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.719 threes from Shay, right, You're gonna get one or two 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.880 sometimes five from Dort. You're gonna get a couple threes 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.360 from Jalen Williams. But we can't count on that. We 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.559 can't count on that at all. You're gonna get a 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.600 couple from Chet. We can't count on that. We've seen 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.600 these guys go completely cold. Guess who you can count on? 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.280 Aaron Wiggins. Aaron Wiggins is a sniper. He is, That's 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.760 what his job is. Aaron Wiggins had forty this year. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.640 Aaron Wiggins is no slouch. Whenever Aaron Wiggins gets out 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.679 of Okay, see, he's gonna have a real role. He's 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.160 gonna be a starter. Then you add in the thirty 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.960 four from Shay much more efficient thirty four, and you've 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.640 got a recipe for a disaster for Indy, just to 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.000 blow out Shay looked like he could not miss I 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.400 don't I don't know which how many shots he did 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.160 miss I didn't look it up, but it felt like 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.040 none defensively, Like I said, okaysee was just locked in 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:46.480 fifteen forced turnovers, fourteen combined blocks and steals. Shay had 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.280 four swipes alone. Then and then when you saw Chet 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.600 who had a horrible game, one have back to back 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.120 buckets to close the first quarter and they were contested. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.880 One of one came off of like a scramble that 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.640 probably should have gone Indiana's way. Ball goes to chat 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.760 and tested three splash. I was like, oh, okay, it's curtains. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.960 It's curtains. When Wiggins hits that step back in the 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.640 second quarter to push the lead to eleven, it's curtains. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.360 It's curtains. There these books, pack them up, go back 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.680 to Indy. It felt like the air well then they 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.800 air didn't leave the building for okay see, because that's 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.440 where they were. It felt like it got very tense, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:31.400 very loud, very hard to think. And we've seen Indie clawback. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.520 That's what they do, right, that's what they do. We 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.560 know we'd make some sort of a run and they 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.199 cut of did. But every time they made a run, okay, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.480 so he made a bigger run. It was it was 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.480 a wrap by halftime, they cut it to like eleven 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.840 or something, and then it was like back up to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.000 nineteen and thirty seconds. So now we head to Indy 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.800 for Game three on Wednesday night. Who needs it more? 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.480 Who needs it? I mean Indy needs it more. Let's 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.120 be real. I'm not worried about okay See at all. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.600 And I was feeling like Indiana was disrespected and they 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.720 are disrespected. But okay See is fucking so good. They 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.200 run guys out. You've not seen what are they doing 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.120 out there? Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe getting minutes and 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.920 giving you twenty points? Come on, if you do that, listen. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.840 We know that Okay, He's not a great road team, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.160 and maybe they'll get blown out in Game three and 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:32.000 maybe the narrative will shift again. But this is just 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.960 a team until they're dad. I'm gonna believe in, especially 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.040 considering that it feels like those on the Indiana staff 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.960 feel the same way. I fully expect Carlisle to have 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.959 the Pacers ready to punch back. The Game three is 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.920 a vast fascinating one. What is Dagna gonna do? Is 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.120 he going back to the two big lineup? Is he 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.840 gonna go ultra small and play Jalen with Williams at 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.000 the five. Is there a new wrinkle that we haven't 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:01.320 anticipated yet? Is Polkashevsky coming back from the dead? What 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:06.280 Poku is is my man? Is my man? Nicola tapicch 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.199 back from injury? Is he gonna make an appearance? Are 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.840 we gonna see what's his name? Kid that went to 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.320 Mesich come back from the euro League? What are we doing? 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.760 What are we doing? The chess match is fascinating. I 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.800 know that people say that this is the least watch 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.560 final since nineteen eighty eight. These are two elite teams 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.920 and two elite coaches. And if you're not watching, that's 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.679 on you. That is on you cannot wait for Game three? 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.240 All right, let's get into it. The t the news 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.439 around the league. Lots going on right now. Let's start 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.400 with the Nicks. So as we all know, the Knicks. Shockingly, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.040 even though this has kind of been like simmering for 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.240 years now, truly years, is when is TIB's gonna get 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.560 fired if they don't do this, Tips is getting fired. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.160 If they don't do that, Tips is getting fired. This 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.839 We've been talking about this for a long time. Back 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.680 to my WFA N days. But they did it. It happened. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:05.040 The team came down on Tibbs's neck. We got James 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.880 Dolan out here like Joffrey with the steak showing us 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.240 Tibbs's head out there in the sand, and we don't 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.520 really know why. We don't really know what happened. There's 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.480 a lot of rumors flying. Some say that players were 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.480 throwing TIBs under the bus and I can't play with 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.640 this guy anymore aka Karl Anthony Towns. Let's be honest, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.120 he's already been coached by TIBs once before. Some people 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.720 are putting the blame on Kittie Cat. Some people are 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.840 blaming Leon Rose. Other people are saying, now that the 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.960 sphere is done, James Dolan has his head back on 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.520 towards close to the you know, just centered and on 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.960 the knicks. He's got the laser being pointed at the knicks. 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.480 And then he never liked TIBs and he's just waiting 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.440 for an excuse to push him out, which is like 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.280 a hell of a time to push him out. Honestly, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.840 there were other times where they probably had more of 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.160 a reason, like when they missed the playoffs or when 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.160 they lost to the heat. There were other times we 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.400 don't know the story. We probably aren't gonna know. I 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.120 guess I bet you what though, If I see World 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:12.080 Why West in Vegas, I'm asking, I'm asking him what 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.960 the fuck happened with Tips? If I see TIBs that 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.440 summer league, I'm asking, what happened? Baby? Don't you think 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.600 it's a little fucked up? How they did you? Which 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.600 thinks a little fucked up? How you guys did Tips? Anyway, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.040 none of them talked to the press. That's the only 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.720 time you're gonna hear from Tips. Will probably join like 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.480 some staff. He's getting paid a lot of money though, 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.080 I think twenty something million dollars on his extension. What 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.640 we do know, though, is this, the Knicks have a target. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:46.880 They have a target. Who is it? Whispers? Who is it? 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.960 He's already coaching another damn it's Jason Kidd And apparently 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.360 the interest is mutual, according to Mark Stein, So okay, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.720 this is puzzling to me for a variety of reasons. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.320 From Kid's side, I kind of get it. The MAVs 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:10.200 fucking terrible. They just did all these things behind your back. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.160 They didn't include you. They left you out there to 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.440 the wolves to explain something you had nothing to do with, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.560 and you keep saying I didn't know. I really didn't. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.720 I didn't sign off on this. I love Luca. Don't 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.080 talk to me about this. Talk to those fools. Okay. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.440 Imagine like the guy that's the one coaching the team, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.040 or how about this if you're a chef. I always 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.320 make this comparison. You're a chef, right, And then the 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.920 owner of the restaurant decides, we're taking garlic and onions off. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.160 We're just not wordering them anymore. They're gone. We're getting 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.360 rid of them as an ingredient. They're gone. So just 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.760 we're not gonna ask you, Hey, how impactful is this 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.320 for you? We're no more, no more steak, no more play. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.480 They're done. It's done. Just come in the next day 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.200 and just act like everything's normal. And it's like, hey, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.360 why is it steak on them any anymore? It's like this, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.000 fuck f I know, like these fools, I don't know. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.480 How do you not get looped in on the deal? 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.840 Your star sharp player getting moved traded away. We saw 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.240 a kid sitting next to Nico with Nico being like 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.240 defense with championships defense with championships. He's like, this guy's 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.600 an idiot. This guy is so dumb, and they're looking 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.600 at kid and kids kind of shaking his head. He's 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.680 got the backwards hat on. Remember he had the backwards 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.719 at I'm like, listen, I'm not about business right now, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.920 because these guys aren't about business, so I kind of 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:40.280 see it. Also, though, on the other hand, Kid's probably 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:45.160 safe in Dallas. They've got Cooper Flag coming in. He's 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.879 a rookie. Kyrie's coming off of injury, AD's coming off 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.040 of injury. There's a little runway for him to be like, hey, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.439 it's not really all peaches and cream yet, give me 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.800 a little time. Right They don't succeed right away. Plus 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.119 management and owners thought Luca was responsible for all of 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.600 the downfall of this team. So you're okay, you're safe, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:10.800 no state tax, better weather. I you know, it's tough. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.639 But on the other hand, what I really don't understand 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.919 is why did the Knicks want Jason kidd ties to 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.119 New York. I mean, he's a point guard coach, But listen, 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.879 if you want to look at success with a point guard, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.760 nobody has more success with the point guard that people 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.720 discarded than Tips. Jalen Brus was the second round pick 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.240 and the Knicks swooped him from the MAVs that same team, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.560 and the MAVs they wan't pay him. And then Tis 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:44.720 turned turned Leaks into like Filet Mignot, Okay, what are 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.000 we doing? He turned him into an All NBA player, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.480 one of the best guards in the league, clutch player 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.760 of the year. What more can kid do with this 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.800 point guard? And you're not You just fired a coach 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.840 for not getting over the hump aka, not going to 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.439 the finals or winning a championship. So looking at a 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.639 guy who caught lightning in a bottle against what like 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.840 the OKC thunder who weren't really ready yet, and a 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.439 depleted a team that had just come off of a 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.000 seven game series they shouldn't have won against the Denver 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.399 Nuggets when they were down twenty in the fourth quarter, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.959 and then you get cooked and by Boston when you 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.480 get there. Come on, sir, I don't murder, murder. I 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.880 don't believe you. I don't know that you're capable. Plus, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.880 what did you do in Milwaukee? What did you do Milwaukee? 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.800 You got fired? It was a disaster. Nobody's looking at 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.280 the Knicks and being like, you know who they need 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.800 to beat Okace or Denver or Boston again when they're 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:44.760 fully healthy. Its Jason Kidd. They just beat the one 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.520 team that everyone thought they could not beat with Tom Thibodeaux. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.479 I don't know, man, it feels stupid, it does. It 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.520 feels the more you think about it, the dumber it sounds. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:02.760 Cause it's like the downsides and if you think, oh, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.760 like this is the best Tips is ever gonna do, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.679 and like they collapsed. They melted in the sun in 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.480 game one. They probably should have won. The other little 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.560 cute game they lost against the Pacers. I think it 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.679 was game three or four. What what are we doing? 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.040 And the only way you're getting kid is by trading 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:24.800 for him? And you don't have any picks because you 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:30.040 traded a million of them for Michel Bridges. Baby, baby, 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:31.800 what is you doing? And you might as well try 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.199 to go after email Udoka then if you're willing to 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.879 do that, and Dallas isn't letting kid walk. The last 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.359 time a coach got traded, it was Doc Rivers and 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.600 the Clippers gave up a first rounder to Boston. The 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:49.119 pick ended up being RJ. Hunter, but that's still like, regardless, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.919 you're gonna give up assets for Jason Kid, don't do it. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.199 Don't do it unless Jason Kidd had some sort of 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.800 like bat phone to Giannis, which I don't think will 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.760 work anyway. With Brunson, I don't see the vision. I 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.400 really just do not see the vision at all. Anyway, 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.320 let's talk about let's talk about Boston. Let's pivot moving on. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.520 We got a big development here, and the development is 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.680 the Drew Holiday is apparently on the trade block. Yeah, 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.560 the guy who pushed two teams to titles, the guy 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.600 who's the final piece, is now on the trade block again. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.640 First Milwaukee, now Boston. The Celtics are ready to move him. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:31.840 So on one on one level, that's like baffling to me. 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.680 Because you need a guard who can defend on the perimeter. 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.200 It's very important. You need a guy who can score 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.119 seventeen on a random night in the playoffs. It's like 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.760 Drew's kind of getting older, he is, and next year, 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.560 next year is kind of a punted year. So then 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.720 you say, all right, so Drew's what thirty one? At 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:58.399 that point, Drew is see oh, no, thirty six. At 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.040 that time, he's thirty four now, so maybe thirty six 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:03.280 at that time. I don't know why I thought he 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.679 was thirty one. He's just aging like fine wine, thirty 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.000 six at that time. That you can then get back 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.600 to contention and Tatum, we don't know how the process 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.280 of healing is gonna go. The surgery that he had 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.040 was quite novel like. It's not the most normal surgery 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.080 in terms of the timing. So I get it. Mark 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.399 Stein says, they're asking for a first round pick and 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.600 matching salary. See, this is where you lost me. I 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.520 think you might have to give up bassets for Drew 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.040 Holliday given his age and the fact that everyone in 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.879 the league knows you're shedding salary. Everybody in the league 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.480 knows you are in a bund because you have a 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.480 new owner and you guys don't have a real contention 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.840 shot next year, and because of that, you're getting rid 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.159 of anyone that doesn't fit the timeline. And he's got 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:50.800 three years left on his deal on one hundred and 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.560 four million dollars left, so yikes, and a player option 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.280 at the end wherever he goes, he's locked in through 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:01.080 age thirty eight. So I don't know, baby, I don't know, baby, 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.040 people are giving your first round bit for that, you 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.880 might need to take on some bad salaries that expire 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.679 earlier than him and just eat it, Just fucking eat it. 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.280