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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh my stars, does it

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Speaker 1: never end with this woman, fraudster and a Delvi now

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Speaker 1: selling her home art. Not only is she selling her art,

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Speaker 1: it's actually on display to sell on Netflix's Owning Manhattan?

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Speaker 1: Does this woman ever stop one angle after the next.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. What is Owning Manhattan. It's the latest

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Speaker 1: addition to Netflix's empire of reality shows, and it is

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Speaker 1: set in the world of lux real estate. It follows

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Speaker 1: And now, how does Anna delviy fit into this? Because

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Speaker 1: the infamous con artist Anna Delvi aka Anna Serucan, if

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Speaker 1: you'll recall, she posed as a wealthy heiress to make

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Speaker 1: defrauded banks, hotels, so called friends for over a quarter

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Speaker 1: In the Netflix special, a speaker says, who's this artist?

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Speaker 1: And we learn it's Anna Delvi's art. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: Anna Delvey aka Annasorkin never misses a chance to trade

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Speaker 1: on her notoriety. What happened art aside? Take a listen

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Speaker 2: She claims she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth

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Speaker 2: Annasorkin went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,

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Speaker 3: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.

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Speaker 2: Known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Deborah Roberts.

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Speaker 1: You ask her who she really is? Did she tell

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Speaker 6: You might believe that annasoricon is a very gifted, clever,

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Speaker 1: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a

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Speaker 7: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the

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Speaker 7: Always at the right place with the right people, living

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Speaker 1: But with no apparent cause for her fame. With me,

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Speaker 1: know right now with Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author

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Speaker 1: of Red Flags and host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ.

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Speaker 1: Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a special guest joining US

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Speaker 1: certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI. Don't mess

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Speaker 1: investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator jke Texas dot com.

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Speaker 1: But first, I want to go to a woman I've

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Speaker 1: At any cost, Rebecca, who is this woman?

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Speaker 8: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia.

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Speaker 8: They moved to Germany, and I believe her father was

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Speaker 1: To New York. Now, her coming to New York was

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Speaker 9: Anna Sorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to

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Speaker 10: Black dress definitely a no no. A hyper sexualize her.

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Speaker 9: Hurts her Sorakin is so obsessed with her clothes. She

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Speaker 11: Anna, who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed

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Speaker 11: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty

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Speaker 11: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred

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Speaker 1: I don't know very many people except maybe Alois that

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Speaker 12: She might be a eloise poser, I guess, But you

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Speaker 12: got lots of money. So I think people in her

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Speaker 8: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a

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Speaker 1: The time, the New York You know, it was really

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Speaker 1: interesting that she created this illusion that super rich and

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Speaker 1: Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examiner, former FBI agent

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years, for beat's sake. When you commandeer a

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Speaker 13: And frankly, you know, she probably could have been stopped

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Speaker 1: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that

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Speaker 1: Stealing it go ahead.

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Speaker 14: Why do I say that, because we've covered so many

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Speaker 1: Jim ellis joining us former fed with the FBI. Have

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Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, I mean in her heart and astoric is

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Speaker 13: And I've seen this through my career, both as an

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Speaker 1: How do you untangle a case.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her personality. She goes to trial, she

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Speaker 1: Did you get a thrill from him?

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Speaker 3: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,

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Speaker 1: Donald rockwell, we really need a shrink. How can she

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Speaker 12: When we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't

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Speaker 5: a great potential and that would be successful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like it has much to do with

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Speaker 5: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself

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Speaker 5: and not what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. I guess like people just see

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Speaker 5: like I'm challenged and I was focused, and I work

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Speaker 5: hard and I could make them a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard and what every time I see

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Speaker 1: a foo or a post of her. She's on a

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Speaker 1: luxury trip, or she's shopping at what well.

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Speaker 8: I think I think a lot of her victims wanted

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Speaker 8: to believe in her success because it meant their success too.

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Speaker 8: You know, she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this

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Speaker 8: annadelby Foundation in Manhattan for twenty two million. And you

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Speaker 8: know one of the persons, one of the people she

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Speaker 8: do with, the architect, well for him, you know, he

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Speaker 8: he wanted to be involved in that big project, so

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Speaker 8: he wanted to sort of believe the lie because it

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Speaker 8: would ultimately help him. So I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: it was people wanting to kind of believe it was

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Speaker 8: true because there was an advantage to them.

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Speaker 1: These are just some of the things. And I want

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Speaker 1: to go to you on Jim Ellis that we have

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Speaker 1: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,

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Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one

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Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing

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Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you

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Speaker 1: know how you flow to check, You deposit a check,

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Speaker 1: you would draw the funds and then you try to

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Speaker 1: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,

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Speaker 1: and then another You basically play rop a dope on banks.

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Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include

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Speaker 1: the money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,

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Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money, Jim.

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Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely, it's a lot of money. And you mentioned

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Speaker 13: earlier you weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She

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Speaker 13: worked hard in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing

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Speaker 13: all those bogus checks and coming up with stories that

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Speaker 13: were plausible but yet not too specific. The life of

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Speaker 13: the con is hard work, and they do it for

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Speaker 13: the for the power, they do it for the money,

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Speaker 13: They do it for the same. I think she solved

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Speaker 13: the banks as her potential savior. You know, you think

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Speaker 13: of of like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was

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Speaker 13: she a genius or was she a scam artist? You know,

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Speaker 13: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony

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Speaker 13: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two

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Speaker 13: million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So why explain that to us some mere mortals? What

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Speaker 1: do you mean produce phony documents and convince big banks

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Speaker 1: to learn her a lots of money.

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Speaker 13: Sure it happened, you know, she apparently was really adept

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Speaker 13: in Adobe photoshop. I mean, she was taking documents and

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Speaker 13: altering them to convince the bankers that she had Swiss

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Speaker 13: bank accounts, that she had trust documents, and she had

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Speaker 13: lawyers and CPAs or accountants over in Europe. And it

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Speaker 13: was going, at least to a certain extent, probably till

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Speaker 13: it hit the underwriting department, the people in the back

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Speaker 13: of the office who make sure everything's all the boxes

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Speaker 13: are checked. It was it was painting a picture of her,

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Speaker 13: of exactly who she was claiming to be. And I

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Speaker 13: think if she she probably she possibly could have felt

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Speaker 13: that if she was able to land that loan. In

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Speaker 13: her mind, she probably was going to pay all those

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Speaker 13: people back that she had scamped.

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Speaker 1: In her mind.

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Speaker 13: It's in her mind, and she may have we don't know.

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Speaker 13: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her

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Speaker 13: next victim, and when that, when it comes time to

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Speaker 13: pay them back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in

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Speaker 13: the end, and This wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.

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Speaker 13: But you know, some of that money she scammed through

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Speaker 13: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and

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Speaker 13: the loan she got from City National Bank, she used

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Speaker 13: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels

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Speaker 13: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and

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Speaker 13: maintain that illusion.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she

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Speaker 1: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she

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Speaker 1: could get them to allow her to stay there for

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Speaker 1: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to kayta check?

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Speaker 13: Well, t kya check. And it's a lot harder nowadays

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Speaker 13: than they used to be because the float, which is

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Speaker 13: the time that the check is deposited in the one

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Speaker 13: bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's so

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Speaker 13: much shorter. But you basically take a check and you

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Speaker 13: present it to a bank that you know is worthless,

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Speaker 13: or it may appear it has funds, but by the

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Speaker 13: time that check is presented for payment to the originating bank,

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Speaker 13: there aren't any funds available.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Anna Delvisorcan who was placed

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Speaker 1: on house arrests. What she was released from jail for

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Speaker 1: a nearly three hundred thousand dollars heist that we know

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Speaker 1: of making a name in the headlines again. This time

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Speaker 1: her provocative art appears on a Netflix special. But you know,

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Speaker 1: cable TV lets you see what they want you to see,

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Speaker 1: and that is not who Anna Sorcan really is. Who

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Speaker 1: is she? Take a listen to our friends at GMA,

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Speaker 1: Good Morning America.

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Speaker 17: New York City jury finding socialite and Asauric, a so

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Speaker 17: called SOHO grifter, guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,

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Speaker 17: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services to.

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Speaker 11: Jurors obviously believed our point of view and followed our

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Speaker 11: logic and acquitted her for the top charges.

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Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of

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Speaker 1: the other charges.

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Speaker 17: Sorgan was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,

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Speaker 17: attempting to steal more than one million dollars from City

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Speaker 17: National Bank.

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Speaker 1: Jay Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from Foxy's Digital, explaining the

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Speaker 1: split verdict. What was she convicted on and on what

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Speaker 1: was she acquitted?

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Speaker 8: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty

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Speaker 8: million dollars loan, which was one of the top charges

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Speaker 8: that was the attempted grand larceny and she was acquitted

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Speaker 8: of stealing the number kind of varied that around seventy

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Speaker 8: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she

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Speaker 8: invited her best friend at the time, Richard Deloschan, to Morocco,

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Speaker 8: where they stayed in the seven thousand and night riod

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Speaker 8: outside a marakesh and at the end of the trip

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Speaker 8: she stuck her with the bill.

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Speaker 14: She persuaded her to put the.

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Speaker 8: Entire ship on her credit card and she would pay

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Speaker 8: her back. So those were the two main counts she

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Speaker 8: was acquitted on and then she was convicted in She

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Speaker 8: was convicted in the chartered plane incident.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, let me let that side. Canra Becca Eisenberg

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Speaker 1: the chartered plane incident? What was that?

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Speaker 8: So it was called Blade is the company, and she

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Speaker 8: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to

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Speaker 8: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,

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Speaker 8: I'll pay you later, and they thought she paid them

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Speaker 8: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five

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Speaker 8: thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: It was a chartered flight, a chartered flight incident. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so she ends up going to not jail, but to Rikers.

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Speaker 1: Is anybody on the panel familiar with Rikers? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just by reputation. Yeah, you don't want to go there

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Speaker 1: unless you have to take a Listen to Anna Sorokan

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Speaker 1: speaking to our friend Deborah Roberts at ABC.

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Speaker 4: Dorekan says she's paid for her mistakes her time behind bars,

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Speaker 4: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Rikers Island jailed,

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Speaker 4: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,

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Speaker 4: one of the most frightening jails in the country.

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Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Were you terrified in.

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Speaker 5: A way that was therapeutic? I mean it's a therapeutic

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Speaker 5: I for example, use the time, like to read a

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Speaker 5: lot and to write.

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Speaker 4: You've heard that, you've said that it's the prison's kind

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Speaker 4: of a waste of time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them

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Speaker 5: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.

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Speaker 5: So how is this supposed to help someone who already

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Speaker 5: had to resort to life of crime?

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Speaker 1: And that tells me right there that Anna delviy aka

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Speaker 1: Anna Sorokan learned nothing from our time behind bars. Wendy

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Speaker 1: Patrick nothing.

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Speaker 14: It also tells us that she is admitting that she

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Speaker 14: resorted to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she

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Speaker 14: said before the trial and even in some interviews after

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Speaker 14: the trial. She knew because she wasn't working, as you

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Speaker 14: pointed out several times, there was no way she was

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Speaker 14: going to be able to repay these loans. But sitting

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Speaker 14: through the trial, sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic you

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Speaker 14: have to wonder whether she received special treatment. We don't

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Speaker 14: know one way or the other, but it is very

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Speaker 14: interesting that her attitude apparently hasn't changed.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed

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Speaker 1: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves

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Speaker 1: special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenberg, I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped

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Speaker 1: off from Rachel Delight Williams. Was this is Jerry's thinking?

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Speaker 15: Well.

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Speaker 8: I spoke to a couple of jurors after the verdict

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Speaker 8: and they kind of felt that in the end, Rachel

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Speaker 8: came out ahead, even though it was this like really

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Speaker 8: stressful situation for her where she had put the payment

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Speaker 8: for this trip on her work visa card and just

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Speaker 8: you know, it was a sum of money that was

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Speaker 8: greater than what she earned as a salary. But eventually,

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Speaker 8: you know, she did, she did end up with I

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Speaker 8: think her book advance was three hundred thousand dollars. I

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Speaker 8: don't know what she got paid from HBO. So I

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Speaker 8: think that they just didn't feel that bad for her.

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Speaker 1: But why because why do they not feel bad for

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Speaker 1: Rachel Williams.

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Speaker 8: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say,

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Speaker 8: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's

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Speaker 8: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's

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Speaker 8: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't

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Speaker 8: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,

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Speaker 8: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them

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Speaker 8: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was kind.

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Speaker 1: Of their reasoning. Take a listen to what happens immediately

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Speaker 1: when she walks out from behind bars are cut fourteen

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Speaker 1: inside edition.

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Speaker 4: If you walked out of prison a free woman, HI

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Speaker 4: on a What was the first thing you did that brought.

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Speaker 14: Me my phone?

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Speaker 1: So I got on social media.

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Speaker 6: She came out of prison and immediately set down to

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Speaker 6: do this interview with us and immediately went on social

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Speaker 6: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing she does is on social media.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Doctor Rockwell, the same thing and.

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Speaker 12: Tells you, Doctor Gray, that she didn't feel all bad

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Speaker 12: about one thing through this entire event, that there's a

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Speaker 12: lack of conscience, and that she was loving the spotlight

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Speaker 12: and she couldn't wait to get back into it. As

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Speaker 12: I say, it's an addiction. It makes the horror flash

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Speaker 12: in your mind. You have endorsements, your brain comes alive

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Speaker 12: with your own image, and you love it. You salivate

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Speaker 12: over it. And that's what happened to Panna Sorkin.

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Speaker 1: Jim ellis Certified Fraught Examiner, are now with his own

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Speaker 1: firm JKE Texas dot Com. Jim shopaholics or people that

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Speaker 1: get a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna

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Speaker 1: Sorokan aka n Anna Delvy got a thrill of some

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Speaker 1: sort of this fake life she was leading. Do you

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Speaker 1: think someone like her can turn over a new leaf

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Speaker 1: or is this just who she is?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's a good question. I mean I always hope.

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Speaker 1: I did say what you hope, Jim ellis you investigated

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Speaker 1: so many con guys, what do you think they don't stop?

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Speaker 13: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back

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Speaker 13: on social media. And I agree with doctor Rockwell that

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Speaker 13: it was for the endorphent rush of getting that hit,

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Speaker 13: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But

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Speaker 13: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding

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Speaker 13: her stature so that she can now see where she

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Speaker 13: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in

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Speaker 13: the right mind would want to work with somebody that

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Speaker 13: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 13: of dollars from the people she was closest to.

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Speaker 1: Well, as predicted, Annasaurican aka and Adelve has appeared again.

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Speaker 1: She won't go away. Has she ever considered going home?

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to deport this woman? After being

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Speaker 1: placed on house arrest and throwing one high profile party

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Speaker 1: after the next in her apartment and again that's under

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Speaker 1: house arrest, she is now pursuing her art. Anne has

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Speaker 1: landed on a Netflix series, but regardless of Netflix, she

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Speaker 1: will be best known for her storing role in court.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, you haven't heard the last of Anna Delvey

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime stories. Signing off goodbye friend,