Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, am me and TJ here, And what is
Speaker 1: it that you feel.
Speaker 2: Any sort of confined space?
Speaker 1: I get, I wasn't expecting that of an answer.
Speaker 2: Did you think I was going to say?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but what is that you fear?
Speaker 1: People give me a fear of loss, a fear of
Speaker 1: health issues, fear of all kinds of things you went
Speaker 1: immediately to, like a phobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, claustrophobia, I definitely have it. I think I'm a
Speaker 2: pretty generally daring person. But if you ask me what
Speaker 2: would be a nightmare scenario, it would be to be
Speaker 2: in a submarine. I just think this feeling of being
Speaker 2: trapped that is a very scary feeling for me. And
Speaker 2: sometimes even on planes, if I've had an anxious day,
Speaker 2: I kind of have to take a few deep breaths
Speaker 2: and not focus on the fact that I'm in a
Speaker 2: small tubular machine that I have no control over, how
Speaker 2: it's been kept up, and it's flying thirty thousand feet
Speaker 2: in the air.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, he's listening to us on the way
Speaker 1: to the airport. Okay, I fly a lot. It's just
Speaker 1: but I actually I'm struggling with fear. I have a
Speaker 1: fear of flying because I'm scared the plane is gonna
Speaker 1: go down. My fear has nothing to do with being
Speaker 1: in a confined space.
Speaker 2: So you know, I hate the window seat and the
Speaker 2: middle seat. And it's not because.
Speaker 3: That's because you go to the bathroom once.
Speaker 2: But I actually want to be able to know that
Speaker 2: I can get out quickly if I need to. I
Speaker 2: do have that slight and neurosis. It's funny, I've never
Speaker 2: fully explained that to you.
Speaker 1: I don't have. Okay, there is a two different ones.
Speaker 1: There's a claustrophobia that's the fear of small spaces, right, okay.
Speaker 1: But then there's a cli throw that's a different one
Speaker 1: called a clithrow phobia, I believe, which is actual fear
Speaker 1: of being trapped. Oh so, if you're claustrophobic, you see
Speaker 1: a small space, you see that elevator, and you go
Speaker 1: oh god, and you get anxiety. That's claustrophobia. The other
Speaker 1: is when I see the small space, I got no
Speaker 1: problem getting in that space. But if that buzzer goes
Speaker 1: off and I'm trapped in here, now it's a totally
Speaker 1: different situation.
Speaker 2: You just pulled that phobia out of thin air and
Speaker 2: It's fully describes me, and yet I've never heard it before.
Speaker 1: I got the google it again. I think it's I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all right, Clythrow, and he's giving me the thumbs up.
Speaker 3: Clythrow phobia phobia.
Speaker 1: So it's a different thing where you don't you're not
Speaker 1: scared of the space itself, but the idea of being
Speaker 1: trapped in that space is the problem. That could be
Speaker 1: a large room even, right, Yes, but it's the fear
Speaker 1: of not having a way of getting out.
Speaker 2: So yes, clythrow phobia. I'm afraid of not being able
Speaker 2: to get out.
Speaker 3: Okay, where does this So?
Speaker 1: I don't know if some of this stuff is just
Speaker 1: in us, or some people get phobias and fears.
Speaker 3: We all fear sharks because of Joss.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Yes, a movie can set you off cause
Speaker 1: a particular fear. I think we might be doing I
Speaker 1: wonder if we're doing this to Sabine. Yeah, my eleven year.
Speaker 1: Everybody at this point knows that you and I are
Speaker 1: huge fans of horror movies. But she has since Thursday,
Speaker 1: she let me know that you and I have She
Speaker 1: dinna say forced, but we have put her in a
Speaker 1: position that since Thursday and we're here sitting on Monday.
Speaker 1: She has watched five or six horror movies because of us.
Speaker 3: She's eleven.
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about that.
Speaker 3: Okay, but here's the thing. Three of them is when
Speaker 3: she was solely in your care.
Speaker 2: So that's why I said, I don't feel great about that.
Speaker 2: I didn't say we should be ashamed of ourselves. I said, wow,
Speaker 2: that's on me. I will say the ones that we
Speaker 2: watched were so excuse me, it a quiet place and
Speaker 2: a quiet place to this because she has been coming
Speaker 2: to the theater with us when we have some of
Speaker 2: these new fun blockbuster horror movies coming out, and I
Speaker 2: know that a quiet place. Three, the third installment is
Speaker 2: coming out. So I thought, oh, well, you were away
Speaker 2: and I was with me, and I thought, let's get
Speaker 2: her caught up.
Speaker 1: Okay, you were doing her a favor. Oh I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: That's my mistake.
Speaker 2: No. I I now that she's voiced that we will adjust.
Speaker 1: Okay, worry, but but a movie like Jaws makes us
Speaker 1: all fear sharks. But we love horror movies, yes, and
Speaker 1: there are so many as to think there are subgenres
Speaker 1: of horror movies, Like somebody say Hey, there's a new
Speaker 1: horror movie coming out. We'll go, Okay, what genre is
Speaker 1: it of horror movies? So there's comedy horror.
Speaker 2: Or which we've really recently gotten into. We love I'm
Speaker 2: really loving a comedy horror.
Speaker 3: But we got.
Speaker 1: Slashers, we got vampire movies, we have supernatural supernatural, you
Speaker 1: got demonic, you got possession, you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, we have all the random like yes, but then
Speaker 1: you get more specific. There are some that have to
Speaker 1: do with planes going down. Yes, there's some having to
Speaker 1: do with being buried alive aliens. Yes, they get very specific.
Speaker 1: And one genre we also like is elevator horror.
Speaker 2: Yes, we actually just saw one called Elevator.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: But my favorite elevator horror movie is you know it
Speaker 2: Devil Shyamalan. It is so good.
Speaker 3: It did not.
Speaker 1: Get as much love as I thought it should. If
Speaker 1: you have not seen Devil, check out Devil.
Speaker 2: Another one, and this is in the genre of being trapped,
Speaker 2: is being trapped in caves the Descent and The Descent
Speaker 2: too rarely is a sequel as good as the original,
Speaker 2: and I would argue that The Descent falls into that category. Wow,
Speaker 2: trapped in a cave system with sub human life forms
Speaker 2: that have evolved in these dark, wet spaces.
Speaker 3: And don't watch this while you're eating.
Speaker 2: Then, as you mentioned, there's trapped in homes and trapped
Speaker 2: in rooms.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, the whole Oh I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Strangers, That's what I'm thinking. Those two are some excellent ones.
Speaker 2: And when you're trapped in a room. All the Saw
Speaker 2: movies are basically that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh gore is another category of.
Speaker 2: You can have one, and that was like maybe a
Speaker 2: double genre with the Saw movies.
Speaker 1: But some of these, I will admit they make you
Speaker 1: scared of little things, like I almost fear kids sometimes.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't like the demand of kids. You say,
Speaker 2: if there is a creepy kid, I'm not watching, And
Speaker 2: that is, unfortunately, because I love watching creepy.
Speaker 1: It's something about creepy kids that dead turn me out
Speaker 1: because they look in a scent and there's just a
Speaker 1: desert orphan.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, the boy too.
Speaker 1: I've seen all these but and nol Sabine messages with me.
Speaker 1: She'll stand in the dark in the hallway and make.
Speaker 3: A like a oh yeah.
Speaker 2: My daughter used to go to sleep. She was so
Speaker 2: driven into just being prepared. She would go to sleep
Speaker 2: in her Catholic school uniform, and she was an early riser,
Speaker 2: and sometimes she would wake up early and come and
Speaker 2: stand at the foot of my bed in Catholic school
Speaker 2: uniform at the age of like eight, and I would
Speaker 2: wake up going.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, but she did that.
Speaker 2: And I get what you're saying. But I still like
Speaker 2: watching creepy kids.
Speaker 3: I still do, you know, I watch them.
Speaker 1: But so all these subgenres we speak of, now there
Speaker 1: is one other. It's almost a sub sub genre.
Speaker 3: It has very specific Yes, it has to.
Speaker 1: Do with being trapped. It has to do some some
Speaker 1: could say fear of heights. Yes, you could throw that in.
Speaker 1: There are Survival Cold, Yes, if you get trapped in
Speaker 1: a on a gondola or a ski lift.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a couple of these movies that are out there.
Speaker 2: Like Yes, I have always been a fan of the
Speaker 2: twenty ten flick Frozen, not the Disney one, but the
Speaker 2: one where three people get trapped on a ski lift
Speaker 2: and it's sub freezing temperatures and there are wolves below.
Speaker 2: It doesn't end well for several of the people on.
Speaker 3: Them, and it's good.
Speaker 1: I want to clarify that. You also do like the
Speaker 1: Disney Frozen too. Okay, we're just talking about a different
Speaker 1: one now. But the way it came out, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't want it to be internalet from the other Frozen,
Speaker 2: like you know, they work actually together. If you're just
Speaker 2: it's too much, too much gore, too much fear, you
Speaker 2: just go to Frozen and it's great Disney version.
Speaker 1: But then there's another that had those folks on a
Speaker 1: ski lift, essentially sitting outside exposed. Yes, there's another movie
Speaker 1: called Break Now. This one folks are trapped in a gondola.
Speaker 1: They are together. The thing I think it breaks down
Speaker 1: but freezing temperatures, but they it becomes a fight for survival,
Speaker 1: not just the elements but each other, right right, Which.
Speaker 2: Is kind of like what the elevator movies have been
Speaker 2: like too, because it's not just the fact that you're
Speaker 2: in an elevator, but who are you on the elevator with? So,
Speaker 2: who are you in this gondola with? And so, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fear and so it's not meant to be a
Speaker 2: horror comedy. But because it was originally a Russian flick,
Speaker 2: if you watch it here in the United States, it's
Speaker 2: dubbed over in English, which kind of makes it funny.
Speaker 2: So I found myself laughing and being on the edge
Speaker 2: of my seat at the same time. So I found
Speaker 2: it unintentionally being a comedic horror film.
Speaker 1: But you're a skier, a longtime skier. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had an issue on a gondola ski lift?
Speaker 2: Getting off the ski lift many times, or get off
Speaker 2: fallen on my face?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying, do you have an accident that's
Speaker 1: not your false?
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: I have not. But I'm telling you, anyone who is
Speaker 2: a skier, I can't imagine not having had that thought
Speaker 2: run through them. What would I do if it suddenly stopped?
Speaker 2: There are glitches, and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: someone like me would have fallen getting off of the
Speaker 2: skey lift, and so the whole thing has to shut
Speaker 2: down and they have to kind of reset it. And
Speaker 2: that happens a lot.
Speaker 3: When you've seen you've seen that happen.
Speaker 2: I've been on the sky lift where all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it stops and then you kind of are twisting
Speaker 2: in the wind and dangling. And sometimes it stops at
Speaker 2: really high points, like if you're out west in Colorado
Speaker 2: or somewhere where they have really high mountains. It is
Speaker 2: you start thinking the worst. And I've been on there
Speaker 2: with my kids and I've had actually both of my
Speaker 2: girls being a little nervous, like, Mom, are we going
Speaker 2: to start back up?
Speaker 1: But that's understood. Answer, that's a part of you will
Speaker 1: understand that sometimes this.
Speaker 2: Happens part regularly, okay, so regularly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you knew you didn't necessarily think you were
Speaker 1: in trouble. I mean, your mind might go climes.
Speaker 2: It takes longer than you think it should, and it is.
Speaker 2: It is frightening, but thankfully for me, it's always started
Speaker 2: right back up.
Speaker 3: All right. What would you do?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: You know what you would do? Usually you have your
Speaker 1: phone with you. I thought about it, you make a
Speaker 1: phone call. But other than that, you just have to
Speaker 1: hang tight and wait.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hope that your hand warmers that you have
Speaker 2: in your gloves or something might last longer. But most
Speaker 2: of the time, when it stops at a high enough point,
Speaker 2: you don't have a what would you do scenario? There's
Speaker 2: nothing to do, Like, you can't do anything. You are
Speaker 2: at the mercy of the workers who are operating the
Speaker 2: gondola or the ski lift, or the people on the mountain,
Speaker 2: knowing that you're unaccounted for. But short of that, like
Speaker 2: you actually don't have options. You are stuck without, like
Speaker 2: you're on a lake without a paddle, well without a paddle.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that never ever happens to you, because I would
Speaker 1: be just devastated waiting for word, because I would not
Speaker 1: be up there with you.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day, not after today, though maybe not after
Speaker 2: our next guest.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we say that because it sounds like an
Speaker 1: absolute nightmare that it turns out somebody actually lived it
Speaker 1: very recently, a nightmare or something that you see in
Speaker 1: a movie. But it absoluutely did just happen to a
Speaker 1: woman out in California. Yeah, Lake Tahoe actually got stuck
Speaker 1: in a gondola alone overnight.
Speaker 2: We have Monica Lasso. She is joining us and she
Speaker 2: is okay, but she survived. I believe it was fifteen
Speaker 2: hours in a gondola where the temperatures dripped dipped to
Speaker 2: the mid twenties. She had no cell phone, and she
Speaker 2: has lived to tell us all about it. Monica, thank
Speaker 2: you for being with us. How are you today?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 3: Amy and hid Monica?
Speaker 1: Why did you not have a cell phone with you?
Speaker 6: Micosas quel Yea.
Speaker 7: She says she didn't have her cell phone because she
Speaker 7: put her stuff in She was with a group of
Speaker 7: people and she put all her stuff and backpack with
Speaker 7: her friends, and so friends had her cell phone.
Speaker 1: How did you know the gondola wasn't broken and that
Speaker 1: it was actually uh, you had been forgotten up there.
Speaker 6: I realized I am attacked in the night when I
Speaker 6: lost my boys, boys from screaming so much and getting
Speaker 6: not wrestled.
Speaker 2: What was your biggest fear, Monica? Did you think that
Speaker 2: no one would ever find you? Were you afraid that
Speaker 2: some harm could come to you.
Speaker 7: That one of her fingers or her feet were gonna freeze?
Speaker 2: Oh well, Monica, give us a sense of when you
Speaker 2: got stuck and it stopped moving, you were dangling. How
Speaker 2: high up were you?
Speaker 4: Metros prol a.
Speaker 8: Very way in.
Speaker 4: Maes the Mili metro.
Speaker 5: So she said the gondola itself was about six meters high,
Speaker 5: but that the actual mountain was thousands of feet above
Speaker 5: sea level.
Speaker 1: And Monaga, you weren't up so high that you couldn't
Speaker 1: see people on the ground. You could see people down
Speaker 1: there moving around. Did you see a lot of people?
Speaker 8: Yes, I saw a lot, a lot of truck worker.
Speaker 4: N a round eight around.
Speaker 2: Me, and you were and you what were you doing
Speaker 2: to try and get their attention?
Speaker 8: Scream, scream a lot just that I could do, I
Speaker 8: could eat.
Speaker 1: You said you saw. It still drives It's fascinating to
Speaker 1: think there were eight people at least that were that
Speaker 1: close to you and they couldn't hear you. At what
Speaker 1: point or at any point do you think you started
Speaker 1: to panic?
Speaker 9: No, I didn't feel panic, but just frustraight. I start
Speaker 9: to feel frustraight, and.
Speaker 8: I give up.
Speaker 4: I come now, just I need to keep myself.
Speaker 8: Alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it was so frustrating that
Speaker 2: people were right there, they didn't know you were in
Speaker 2: the gondola. You couldn't get them to hear you. So
Speaker 2: I understand why you'd be frustrated. But were you nervous?
Speaker 2: And just the fact that it was getting dark, You
Speaker 2: didn't have a cell phone, you didn't have a light,
Speaker 2: and it was getting cold.
Speaker 8: When the night come.
Speaker 6: I tried to still stay calm and as I want
Speaker 6: to survive and I see my friend and family again.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about trying to escape from the gondola?
Speaker 1: Open a door, open a window and jump.
Speaker 4: Actually no, actually not really.
Speaker 6: I I when I opened the window to a screen,
Speaker 6: they call enter to the gondola, and I didn't want
Speaker 6: to want exupposed to myself to the call anymore.
Speaker 8: And I was so high that I was sure to
Speaker 8: break a bone.
Speaker 2: Did you sleep at all during those fifteen hours?
Speaker 4: And nothing? They called us and let me rest.
Speaker 6: I still try try because I my body, my body
Speaker 6: heart a lot, maybe only for a minute, but my
Speaker 6: body woke me up with.
Speaker 1: Its trembling, trembling because you were cold? So how did
Speaker 1: you go about staying warm?
Speaker 4: Miss deer Commiss Manos, yes, fellow.
Speaker 5: She would rub her hands and fit together literally the
Speaker 5: whole night to try to stay warm.
Speaker 2: Wow, because I got really really cold, and I know
Speaker 2: that you didn't. We said what you didn't have? But
Speaker 2: you did have a watch? What did having that watch
Speaker 2: on your wrist mean to you?
Speaker 4: See?
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Speaker 5: She said that the watch helped her realize and remember
Speaker 5: that this is only going to last so long and
Speaker 5: and it will end, and so keeping track of time
Speaker 5: helped her kind of get through it and know that
Speaker 5: it would be over at some point.
Speaker 1: And Monica, was it a comfort knowing that it would
Speaker 1: be over in the morning. You were you were essentially
Speaker 1: just waiting for them to get to work in the morning.
Speaker 8: Thea Savia that you are.
Speaker 5: Betro She says that yes, she knew that when you know,
Speaker 5: daylight started to break, that there would be movement, there
Speaker 5: would be workers. But in the back of her mind
Speaker 5: she also doubted and said, wait a minute, what if
Speaker 5: it's a holiday, what if people are off today? And that,
Speaker 5: thank god, wasn't the end result. But she did have
Speaker 5: a fear.
Speaker 2: That's completely understandable. That would definitely have been a fear
Speaker 2: of mine too. I have to ask you, Monica, fifteen
Speaker 2: hours you had to have to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 2: what did you do? How badly did you have to be?
Speaker 2: Tell us how you handle that? In a gondola.
Speaker 6: Sola maia.
Speaker 5: Ilse, she says that she just waited, She held it.
Speaker 5: She did not want to be, you know, sitting in
Speaker 5: urine the whole night. She said, if it had been
Speaker 5: more than fifteen hours, it would have been a different story.
Speaker 1: But then when you finally got out, is the first
Speaker 1: thing you did was run.
Speaker 3: To the bathroom.
Speaker 2: No, the.
Speaker 4: Policy ya the par America Come Again.
Speaker 8: Is a show.
Speaker 4: Important.
Speaker 5: She says that she actually had to do police interviews
Speaker 5: and paramedics checked her out, so she kind of forgot
Speaker 5: about it and wasn't able to use the restauran until
Speaker 5: all after all that happened.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is impressive. I know that you knew in
Speaker 2: the back of your head that you were going to
Speaker 2: be okay eventually the gondola was going to start working
Speaker 2: in the morning. But what about your friends and your boyfriend,
Speaker 2: who had no idea where you were, if you were
Speaker 2: alive or dead. What were they going through?
Speaker 8: Okay, they were scared and saw the wars.
Speaker 6: They notified the police that I was missing and made
Speaker 6: up post about disappearance on Facebook.
Speaker 8: They were really.
Speaker 4: Very bad emotionally, they're.
Speaker 8: So free a lot.
Speaker 3: What was it like to reunite with your friends and
Speaker 3: your boyfriend?
Speaker 4: Hi, wait, I leave your fame, we need to.
Speaker 5: She said that it was a huge relief, a big
Speaker 5: bundle of emotions and happiness just to be reunited.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of happiness because Monica, is it fair to say your boyfriend,
Speaker 2: your friends feared that you might be dead, that you
Speaker 2: might not be alive.
Speaker 8: Yes, you.
Speaker 4: Pen on your bill and you onla.
Speaker 5: She says that between the hours of six am and
Speaker 5: seven am, when the whole night had gone by, her
Speaker 5: boyfriend and her friends felt like she was dead. They
Speaker 5: thought she was dead. They were like, the way she
Speaker 5: could have survived all night on her own. And so
Speaker 5: when that call came in earlier, I mean a little
Speaker 5: later in the morning, they were like shocked.
Speaker 1: And Monica, what did you have with you? We know
Speaker 1: the watch, but did you have any food, any water,
Speaker 1: any snack anything with you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Naa ana.
Speaker 5: She had no food, no water, and the last time
Speaker 5: she had had anything was around one pm that day.
Speaker 2: Wow, no food, no water, no cell phone. Monica, are
Speaker 2: you going to bring your cell phone with you now
Speaker 2: everywhere you go?
Speaker 4: Super important?
Speaker 5: Son is a technology, she said, absolutely, She will definitely
Speaker 5: take it everywhere. It's a technology that could really save
Speaker 5: your life, and she's gonna take it everywhere she goes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Monica, you will now take it everywhere you go?
Speaker 1: Does that include on your next skiing trip? When which
Speaker 1: is coming up?
Speaker 5: When a person, she says that she's normally not the
Speaker 5: type of person who would let an experience like this
Speaker 5: affect her life, can stop her from living, But she says,
Speaker 5: for now, she can't really picture herself going back up there,
Speaker 5: so she needs some time.
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. Monica, I want to
Speaker 2: ask you, when you look back now at those fifteen hours,
Speaker 2: what did you learn about yourself when you were up
Speaker 2: there alone and scared?
Speaker 4: The personal loco coke sache came important moment.
Speaker 8: And gay yeah.
Speaker 4: Persona man took it and some were TOAs pa, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's okay. Important.
Speaker 5: She says that she learned how important it is to
Speaker 5: take some time for yourself and connect with yourself and
Speaker 5: connect with nature, and that's something that she had not
Speaker 5: been giving herself for a long time, and so this
Speaker 5: was like an interesting way to do that, like, you know,
Speaker 5: not knowing that she needed that time for herself. And
Speaker 5: she also learned that she's much stronger than she thought
Speaker 5: she was.
Speaker 1: Monica, strangely, would you now say this was a blessing?
Speaker 4: Yes for them porque.
Speaker 5: But fami, she says in a way, she giggles and says,
Speaker 5: in a way, it was kind of like a blessing
Speaker 5: because she did learn about herself that she was stronger
Speaker 5: than she thought. But in another sense, it was a
Speaker 5: very difficult experience. It was painful. She even felt like
Speaker 5: it was a punishment of sorts.
Speaker 2: Well, Monica, you have been through quite an ordeal. We're
Speaker 2: just happy you're you're in good spirits and you're in
Speaker 2: good health, and I know your friends are just so
Speaker 2: relieved to have you back in their lives. So thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us and share your harrowing experience with us.
Speaker 2: But we appreciate it and you thank you so much.