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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, am me and TJ here, And what is

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Speaker 2: Any sort of confined space?

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Speaker 1: I get, I wasn't expecting that of an answer.

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Speaker 2: Did you think I was going to say?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but but what is that you fear?

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Speaker 1: People give me a fear of loss, a fear of

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Speaker 1: immediately to, like a phobia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, claustrophobia, I definitely have it. I think I'm a

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Speaker 2: pretty generally daring person. But if you ask me what

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Speaker 2: would be a nightmare scenario, it would be to be

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Speaker 2: in a submarine. I just think this feeling of being

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Speaker 2: sometimes even on planes, if I've had an anxious day,

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Speaker 2: I kind of have to take a few deep breaths

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Speaker 2: and not focus on the fact that I'm in a

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Speaker 2: small tubular machine that I have no control over, how

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Speaker 2: it's been kept up, and it's flying thirty thousand feet

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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, he's listening to us on the way

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Speaker 1: to the airport. Okay, I fly a lot. It's just

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Speaker 1: but I actually I'm struggling with fear. I have a

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Speaker 1: go down. My fear has nothing to do with being

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Speaker 2: So you know, I hate the window seat and the

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Speaker 3: That's because you go to the bathroom once.

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Speaker 2: But I actually want to be able to know that

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Speaker 2: do have that slight and neurosis. It's funny, I've never

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Speaker 2: fully explained that to you.

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Speaker 1: I don't have. Okay, there is a two different ones.

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Speaker 1: There's a claustrophobia that's the fear of small spaces, right, okay.

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Speaker 1: But then there's a cli throw that's a different one

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Speaker 1: called a clithrow phobia, I believe, which is actual fear

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Speaker 1: of being trapped. Oh so, if you're claustrophobic, you see

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Speaker 2: You just pulled that phobia out of thin air and

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Speaker 2: It's fully describes me, and yet I've never heard it before.

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Speaker 1: I got the google it again. I think it's I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: all right, Clythrow, and he's giving me the thumbs up.

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Speaker 3: Clythrow phobia phobia.

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Speaker 1: So it's a different thing where you don't you're not

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Speaker 1: a large room even, right, Yes, but it's the fear

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Speaker 2: So yes, clythrow phobia. I'm afraid of not being able

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Speaker 3: Okay, where does this So?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if some of this stuff is just

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Speaker 3: We all fear sharks because of Joss.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, Yes, a movie can set you off cause

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Speaker 1: Everybody at this point knows that you and I are

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Speaker 1: huge fans of horror movies. But she has since Thursday,

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Speaker 1: dinna say forced, but we have put her in a

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Speaker 1: She has watched five or six horror movies because of us.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but here's the thing. Three of them is when

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Speaker 3: she was solely in your care.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I said, I don't feel great about that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say we should be ashamed of ourselves. I said, wow,

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Speaker 1: Okay, you were doing her a favor. Oh I didn't understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, worry, but but a movie like Jaws makes us

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Speaker 3: But we got.

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Speaker 1: Slashers, we got vampire movies, we have supernatural supernatural, you

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have all the random like yes, but then

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Speaker 1: And one genre we also like is elevator horror.

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Speaker 2: But my favorite elevator horror movie is you know it

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Speaker 1: you have not seen Devil, check out Devil.

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Speaker 2: Another one, and this is in the genre of being trapped,

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Speaker 2: is being trapped in caves the Descent and The Descent

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Speaker 2: and I would argue that The Descent falls into that category. Wow,

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Speaker 3: And don't watch this while you're eating.

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Speaker 2: Then, as you mentioned, there's trapped in homes and trapped

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, the whole Oh I forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: Strangers, That's what I'm thinking. Those two are some excellent ones.

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Speaker 2: And when you're trapped in a room. All the Saw

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh gore is another category of.

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Speaker 2: You can have one, and that was like maybe a

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Speaker 1: But some of these, I will admit they make you

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Speaker 2: Oh you don't like the demand of kids. You say,

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Speaker 1: It's something about creepy kids that dead turn me out

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, the boy too.

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Speaker 1: I've seen all these but and nol Sabine messages with me.

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Speaker 3: A like a oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: My daughter used to go to sleep. She was so

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, but she did that.

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Speaker 2: And I get what you're saying. But I still like

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Speaker 3: I still do, you know, I watch them.

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Speaker 1: But so all these subgenres we speak of, now there

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Speaker 3: It has very specific Yes, it has to.

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Speaker 1: Do with being trapped. It has to do some some

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Speaker 1: could say fear of heights. Yes, you could throw that in.

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Speaker 1: There are Survival Cold, Yes, if you get trapped in

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Speaker 2: twenty ten flick Frozen, not the Disney one, but the

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Speaker 2: and it's sub freezing temperatures and there are wolves below.

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Speaker 1: I want to clarify that. You also do like the

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Speaker 1: Disney Frozen too. Okay, we're just talking about a different

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Speaker 2: just go to Frozen and it's great Disney version.

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Speaker 1: But then there's another that had those folks on a

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Speaker 3: When you've seen you've seen that happen.

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Speaker 2: I've been on the sky lift where all of a

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Speaker 1: You know what you would do? Usually you have your

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we say that because it sounds like an

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Speaker 2: We have Monica Lasso. She is joining us and she

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Amy and hid Monica?

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Speaker 1: Why did you not have a cell phone with you?

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Speaker 7: She says she didn't have her cell phone because she

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Speaker 1: How did you know the gondola wasn't broken and that

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Speaker 6: I realized I am attacked in the night when I

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Speaker 2: What was your biggest fear, Monica? Did you think that

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Speaker 7: That one of her fingers or her feet were gonna freeze?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, Monica, give us a sense of when you

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Speaker 4: Metros prol a.

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Speaker 8: Very way in.

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Speaker 5: So she said the gondola itself was about six meters high,

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Speaker 1: And Monaga, you weren't up so high that you couldn't

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Speaker 8: Yes, I saw a lot, a lot of truck worker.

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Speaker 4: N a round eight around.

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Speaker 2: Me, and you were and you what were you doing

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Speaker 8: Scream, scream a lot just that I could do, I

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Speaker 1: You said you saw. It still drives It's fascinating to

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Speaker 8: I give up.

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Speaker 4: I come now, just I need to keep myself.

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Speaker 8: Alive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it was so frustrating that

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Speaker 2: I understand why you'd be frustrated. But were you nervous?

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Speaker 2: And just the fact that it was getting dark, You

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Speaker 8: When the night come.

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Speaker 6: I tried to still stay calm and as I want

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think about trying to escape from the gondola?

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Speaker 1: Open a door, open a window and jump.

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Speaker 4: Actually no, actually not really.

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Speaker 6: I I when I opened the window to a screen,

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Speaker 8: And I was so high that I was sure to

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Speaker 2: Did you sleep at all during those fifteen hours?

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Speaker 4: And nothing? They called us and let me rest.

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Speaker 6: I still try try because I my body, my body

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Speaker 1: Its trembling, trembling because you were cold? So how did

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Speaker 4: Miss deer Commiss Manos, yes, fellow.

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Speaker 5: She would rub her hands and fit together literally the

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Speaker 2: that you didn't. We said what you didn't have? But

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Speaker 2: you did have a watch? What did having that watch

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Speaker 4: See?

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Speaker 5: She said that the watch helped her realize and remember

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Speaker 1: And Monica, was it a comfort knowing that it would

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Speaker 8: Thea Savia that you are.

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Speaker 5: Betro She says that yes, she knew that when you know,

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Speaker 5: daylight started to break, that there would be movement, there

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Speaker 5: she also doubted and said, wait a minute, what if

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Speaker 5: it's a holiday, what if people are off today? And that,

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Speaker 5: thank god, wasn't the end result. But she did have

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Speaker 2: That's completely understandable. That would definitely have been a fear

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Speaker 2: of mine too. I have to ask you, Monica, fifteen

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Speaker 2: what did you do? How badly did you have to be?

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Speaker 2: Tell us how you handle that? In a gondola.

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Speaker 6: Sola maia.

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Speaker 5: Ilse, she says that she just waited, She held it.

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Speaker 5: She did not want to be, you know, sitting in

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Speaker 1: But then when you finally got out, is the first

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Speaker 3: To the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: No, the.

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Speaker 4: Policy ya the par America Come Again.

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Speaker 8: Is a show.

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Speaker 4: Important.

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Speaker 5: She says that she actually had to do police interviews

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is impressive. I know that you knew in

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Speaker 8: Okay, they were scared and saw the wars.

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Speaker 6: They notified the police that I was missing and made

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Speaker 8: They were really.

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Speaker 4: Very bad emotionally, they're.

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Speaker 3: What was it like to reunite with your friends and

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Speaker 4: Hi, wait, I leave your fame, we need to.

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Speaker 5: She said that it was a huge relief, a big

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of happiness because Monica, is it fair to say your boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: your friends feared that you might be dead, that you

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Speaker 8: Yes, you.

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Speaker 4: Pen on your bill and you onla.

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Speaker 5: She says that between the hours of six am and

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Speaker 1: And Monica, what did you have with you? We know

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Naa ana.

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Speaker 5: She had no food, no water, and the last time

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Speaker 2: Wow, no food, no water, no cell phone. Monica, are

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Speaker 4: Super important?

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Speaker 5: Son is a technology, she said, absolutely, She will definitely

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Speaker 5: take it everywhere. It's a technology that could really save

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Monica, you will now take it everywhere you go?

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Speaker 5: When a person, she says that she's normally not the

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. Monica, I want to

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Speaker 2: ask you, when you look back now at those fifteen hours,

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Speaker 2: what did you learn about yourself when you were up

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Speaker 4: The personal loco coke sache came important moment.

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Speaker 8: And gay yeah.

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Speaker 4: Persona man took it and some were TOAs pa, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's okay. Important.

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Speaker 5: She says that she learned how important it is to

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Speaker 5: connect with nature, and that's something that she had not

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Speaker 5: she also learned that she's much stronger than she thought

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Speaker 1: Monica, strangely, would you now say this was a blessing?

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Speaker 4: Yes for them porque.

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Speaker 5: But fami, she says in a way, she giggles and says,

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Speaker 5: in a way, it was kind of like a blessing

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Speaker 2: Well, Monica, you have been through quite an ordeal. We're

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Speaker 2: you for joining us and share your harrowing experience with us.

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Speaker 2: But we appreciate it and you thank you so much.