WEBVTT - Man Period 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.120 Find down with Janet Kramler and Michael Coffman and I'm 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:06.359 her radio podcast. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.080 We're missing some gold because because Jana is making fun 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.200 of our producer Mark. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.840 In fun of him, you know, we're all recording from 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.759 our homes. And I just have like really grown to 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.440 love mark ceiling fan. And I think it's a guy thing, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.240 like I think it's a it's a parent and and 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.680 and guy thing, like guys love ceiling fans. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:28.840 Do you think it's I don't know if it's a 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.800 guy thing. I know, Mark, to your defense, it wasn't 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.680 until Jana and I got together that she was like, whoa, 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.800 whoa woa ceiling fans. I was like, yeah, of course 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.000 ceiling fans. And she's like, people don't do that. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.920 What do you mean people don't do that? But you 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.120 don't see ceiling fans in houses now. Really they're more 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:49.280 in like your parents' house. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.000 No, I mean, you've definitely conditioned me where now I'm 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.600 judging Mcjudgerson, I'm like, ugh, how dare you ceiling fan? 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.160 Like I get it for like outside and stuff. You know, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.160 I love a good sealing fan outside on the screen 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.280 and porch, But I get it like I think that. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.840 I think what some fans are kind of cool like 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.600 and if you have really tall ceilings like those living 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.119 room fans from you know, those are kind of cool. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:16.160 But I don't know. Sorry Easton, what do you think 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.160 about ceiling fans? 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.600 I hate them. I hate them more than anything. We 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.319 took them out as soon as we moved into this 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.200 beautiful home. It was the biggest blemish on this work 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.720 of art that's our our first home we bought together. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.800 We ripped those things out with prejudice, took them out. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.640 And why do you not like them so much? I 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.560 would like to this. I feel like, by the way, 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.720 this podcast is like a Seinfeld episode. We just talked 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.920 about the most random things. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.320 And ceiling fans. Uh. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.760 You know, for being called a ceiling fan, I'm not 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:52.200 a fan of them. It's they're Here's what I don't 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.120 like about them. Here's my beef with the ceiling fan. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.680 I never know when they're on or off. They're always 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.600 going at a weird speed. I never know if I've 0:01:58.600 --> 0:01:59.760 turned the monitoring. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:01.840 Uh. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.960 And I feel like, yes, they do circulate air light 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.440 like fine, but I feel like our A C does 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.440 just as good of a job. It doesn't look as bad. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.560 We can get much cuter lights. Uh, there's I mean, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.520 this was a ceiling fan at one point. Now it's 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.400 you can't tell them the webcam, but it's a giant 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.320 glowing orb. Now it's I don't know. I just feel 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:22.840 like it limits you in the light department. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.720 I would have to agree, and Mark, you know what, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.440 I'm sorry if you're if you're the odd man out here, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.600 but I'm sure there's a lot of people on here 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.079 that are on your side, are on team fan. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.880 There's two chains. One is for the light and one 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.440 is for the fan. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.280 And I have never in my life guessed correctly right never, 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.240 I will agree with that. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.440 It's so oh for one, it's so true. Mark, that 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.079 is the most accurate thing ever, because it's like you're like, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.280 just right. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.160 All right, it's the one closest to the door next time, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:57.040 damn it. Well, welcome to another episode of Wine Down 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.400 with Jenna Kramer and Michael Cousin. That's how we start. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.519 I love You're welcome. It's just cute. Yeah, no, I 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.280 I anyways, fans, what else were we talking about when 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.000 we started. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.840 This reading some of our book? Oh? 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.480 Yeah, yeah, I think we should Oh Costco. What happened? 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.639 It's just Jana. I just got home, literally walked in 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.720 the door five minutes ago from Costco, and Jane asked 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.320 me how it was, and that's kind of out of breath. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.080 I'm just like Costco is overwhelming. It's just I feel 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.560 like my head's on a swivel the whole time. Nothing's 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.560 in the same place. The things that Jana asked me 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.880 to get are like the smallest things that are possibly 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.480 in Costco, like vitamin C gummies. You know, if I 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.440 go to Public's or Whole Foods, I know exactly where 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:40.440 they are. Go to Costco. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.640 Why do we have because I kind of fought you 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.480 on the membership because I don't think we need the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.080 membership because we only get two things from Costco these 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.360 Annie's cheddar. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.640 Puffs that which they didn't have, So what. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:56.040 Are you serious? 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.200 I looked high, low, left, right, up, down, I mean 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:02.119 I looked everywhere. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.160 That's the thing with Costco. It's a needle in a haystack. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.600 But they may have stopped selling needles, yes. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.640 One see, that's so frustrating. That's the only reason I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.800 really wanted you to go there and then to get 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.440 the chicken nuggets, the chicken nuggets that we like from there, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.960 But like, why are we paying that much money for 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:18.520 two things? 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.200 That much money? It's like one hundred and twenty dollars 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:20.920 a year. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.599 To me, that's see. So Michael and I have this thing, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.560 but that's still money that we're not using. Like it 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.600 just bothers me. I don't like it. This is where 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.400 I go, you know, I'm just. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.520 I did get like a twenty pound brisket that I'm 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.839 going to cook because I made that one last weekend. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.800 It was amazing. And what else did I get? 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:44.520 Oh? 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.920 Remember when we first went to Costco and I was 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.000 complaining even on your Instagram about chicken bakes. Yes, and 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.760 I was like, this is like really the only reason 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.280 I wanted to become a member was to get a 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.840 chicken bake that you get at the little food place 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.400 after you check out. Well, to my surprise, I'm standing 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.279 in line. I look up. There it is. It's on 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:06.680 the menu. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.600 It's back wow, gripping. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.919 So this a three ninety nine piece of heaven. I 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.800 go to the Kiosk, I order one, but the groceries 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.680 in the car I'm ready to take a big old 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.320 bite out of thing. Take a big old bite. It 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.159 tasted like it's been marinating in the ocean water for 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.320 sixty days. Salt. This like. I couldn't get home fast 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.920 enough to get something to drink because I had nothing 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.440 in the car. I was like, this is not what 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.240 I remembered when I was ten and going to Costco 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:34.800 with my parents. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:35.480 Did you eat it? 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.120 I ate half of it, and I was like, I 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:37.920 can't even do this. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.279 Oh that's so nasty. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:45.919 Yeah, so interesting. Anyways, that was my morning. Huh huh. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.120 But I did want to start this episode off with 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.760 a more sentimental note until we got got into it. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:59.279 Shots fired, shooting at Mark and talking about Costco. Sentimental, yeah, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.920 or just I think it's a good setup for stuff 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.279 that we may read about our book. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.919 Okay, Okay, Like you said you wanted to bring something 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.320 up that was like sentimental. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:19.360 I think yeah, amidst laughter, No, I think it's you know, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.640 sometimes we get away from some relational stuff on here, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.760 besides emails or dms that we bring up. But I 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.839 think it's important, you know, because our whole thing is 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.120 talking about stuff we deal with and being open and everything. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.359 And I was just driving around town today and you know, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.159 there's some physical triggers around town where it's just like 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.479 emotional for me, where it's man, I remember staying in 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:51.000 this hotel when shit went down, and you know, thinking 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.520 my life was over and our marriage was over, and 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.800 our family was over, and you know, and then thinking 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.960 about all the negative things that I've done to her, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:05.359 you and to hurt this family. And I think my 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.400 point is, you know, I try to do a good job. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:15.600 I need to do better at acknowledging these things. Doesn't 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.560 have to be on a super regular basis, but at 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.080 least bring them to your attention, to let you know 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.360 that I am thinking of them, that I'm not just 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.880 moved on past them and everything's fine and there's no 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.400 worry in the world and it's just normal, you know. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:36.200 But I am sorry for creating, you know, that environment 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.200 and these feelings that we have around whether it's physical 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.320 triggers or just emotional triggers or whatever it is. Because 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.600 I know it's hard to you know, to be married 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.960 to me. I know it's hard to be married to 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:54.280 someone who's caused you hurt and pain, no matter what 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.240 the situation for anybody, And so I just think my 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.480 suggestion suggestion to couples or people in coupleship listening to 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.080 this is just lean into your partner about things that 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.720 you might have done to harm them or harm your relationship, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.000 even if it's not as obviously not as deep as 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.800 our wounds, but something service level where a fight you 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.960 had recently and just even if you feel like it's 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.480 been resolved, go back and just own your part again 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:31.880 or something, you know, just because that just anytime I 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.040 do that to you, you just you affirm me how 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.680 much that means to you that because then you don't 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.520 feel I I can't speak for you, but usually what 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.720 you tell me is then you don't feel alone and 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.800 like the feelings that you feel and stuff. So no, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.760 I just felt myself like getting emotional when I was 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:52.000 driving home. Of just fortunately it wasn't much shame, it 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.920 was just pain. It was just like, damn, like sucks 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.840 that I cause this, you know, sucks that we have 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.319 to feel as sucks that we have to some of 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.439 the issues that we deal with. But you know, so 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:05.720 I just want to come home and tell you that 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.000 and just ingratitude that I'm thankful that we're doing what 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:09.440 we're doing. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.960 Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it, and it does help, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.720 you know, because sometimes contrary to what maybe some people 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.120 may say, like I don't bring it up every day 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.080 how I feel it, you know, and sometimes I don't 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.160 talk about it for weeks, and I think when knowing that, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.599 like you also recognize a pain, it's nice to know that, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.199 like I'm not alone in certain pains some days. So 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.439 that's a nice So I really appreciate that. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:36.840 For sure. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.199 We never talked about it, but I'm curious if you 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.920 would share on here. Did you ever figure out your 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:44.520 man period? 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:46.040 Oh? 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.280 So that to like make like fun of it. But 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.959 like the other day, Michael was like, I think I'm 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:54.880 on my man period. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.120 So I have a name for it, Oh okay, which 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:06.280 my therapist called it menopause. No, uh, it's my my comma, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.000 my comma. You guys have periods. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.640 Interesting because it was just so like, you know, because 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.880 I could tell it you were in a little you 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.320 were just quieter that day, and you know, you were 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.439 kind of teary eyed when you were telling me like, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.360 I don't know, but I just feel like I'm on 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.280 my period. But I like it. You're You're on your comma. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.160 So what is a comma? 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.400 It's the male version of the period. Just sometimes you 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.640 just have those days it just emotionally hits you. You 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.360 don't know why. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.160 So there wasn't anything under it, not that. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.920 You can put your finger on. It was you know, uh, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.120 issues that are there always. But I think it was 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:58.200 just just one of those days. I just as sad 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.680 as it sounds, it was just one of those days. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:08.199 It was hard being me describe because of like my 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:14.199 pain and shame, guilt of things that I've done, of 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.079 things I haven't done, of just where it's just like 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.800 most of your like you took it on. You wore that, Yeah, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.480 Like I wore it like instead of just powering through 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.520 like I usually do, or it not affected me, or 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.240 it being a fleeting thought or whatever. You know me, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:36.520 I'm naturally an optimistic, positive person. So it was just 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.920 I don't know, it was just one of those days 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:39.640 I just couldn't. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.800 You tried it out in it and you let it 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:43.640 hang on you. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.160 Yeah, you wore it. Yeah. So I mean everyone has 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.000 can have those days and where it's just I'm sure 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.200 to some people it makes a lot of sense. How 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.319 I say, it's just hard being me, Like you know, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.560 to some people it might not make sense, like if 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.560 they say that to themselves. But some can sit there 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.920 and be like, yeah, it is hard being me today 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:11.160 for whatever reason, because of stresses, because of responsibilities, because. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.720 Of depression, anxiety. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:17.360 Depression anxiety, clinical issues, addiction, whatever it is. It's just 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.440 something that we're all allowed to have. That we're all 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.880 allowed to have that day. Now you don't want to 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.959 stay in it because then there's more issues around that. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.520 How long is your man comma? 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.839 It was just that day, that day, Yeah, I'm good. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.600 Now it is interesting too, And I feel like almost 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.040 the timing of your comma was, you know, the night 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.839 before we had like a conspiracy theory party where I 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.599 wouldn't say party, but like just a get together with 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.079 friends and we you know, just kind of had talked 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.640 about things and it started to just I mean, I know, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.720 some of the conversations we were having about anti vaxxers, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.719 verse vaccinations, and you know, and just other things that 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.240 like you've always thought and then someone's being like, well 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.480 here's this and having that debate and then you just 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.439 kind of like go to bed and you're like, has 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.480 everything I've learned the last thirty six years of my 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.760 life a lie you know, and just trying to differentiate 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.520 between that. I figured I make up that that could 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.240 cause like the heaviness as well. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.240 The next day, well for sure, especially when we touched 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.720 on topics like you know, the Epstein Island and Pizzagate 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.040 and the Wayfair stuff, and it's just I mean, you 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.200 saw me getting animated where it's just and again, all 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.719 of this was just We're just having healthy conversation with 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.679 like three other couples and it was just we're all 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.360 close friends, so no one's taking it personal or debating. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.640 We're just sharing our our beliefs or thoughts or whatever. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.719 It was just it was interesting. But when it comes 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.360 to the kids stuff, it just I it just it 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.439 just gets me. Yeah, you know what I mean, it 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.160 just it absolutely destroys me internally, and it's like I'm 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:01.920 naive where I want to believe that there's humanity is 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.920 better than that overall, but the fact that there's so 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.319 many people involved with all that, it just makes me. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:09.120 It made me sick. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.320 Well, moving on, let's get on to some other topics, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.600 but let's first take a break. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.360 Hey, Mark, do we have any emails? 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.120 We do have emails. One actually mentions me by a name, which. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.040 Is very nice. Definitely do that one all right. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.600 It's from anonymous. She says, I'm pregnant and do soon 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.960 with my second child. This pregnancy has been a struggle 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.960 with so much, with so much anxiety surrounding the pandemic. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.480 We haven't seen our own parents, who all live pretty 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.440 close by. I thought about the time I was ready 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.800 to give birth, it we'd be in better shape, but 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.880 it seems to have gotten worse for us here in Florida. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.840 One of my concerns is having or possibly not having 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.680 visitors when we come home from the hospital. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.720 I don't know how much my parents. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.760 Are siblings would take it if we decided to keep 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.160 my family away for a certain amount of time. Do 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.360 I give a specific time frame, play it by ear 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.200 as to when we feel comfortable, allow them to come 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.120 over with masks sound, or just allow them to come. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:11.000 Over and hope for the best. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.840 I don't know if my reaction to want some time 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.920 is a bit over the top or more of a 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.960 normal reaction during a pandemic. I'd love to get some input, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.240 and I'm curious to know what Mark has to say. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.880 Did she say this is their second child? Yes, and 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:31.240 they live away from them, yeah, but not terribly. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.680 Far away from them. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:34.640 I mean, Mark, I would like to know what you think. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.760 I think there's a way to do this. I think 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:38.280 it would be. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.280 Here's the problem is, there's a major spectrum of how 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.680 people tackle the pandemic. And it's not just the people 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.840 who say it's all a hoax versus the people who 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:49.680 never leave their house. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.400 There's everything in between as well. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.840 And if you are farther towards the careful side, you're 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.800 going to be made fun of by the people that 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.160 are closer towards the other side. No matter where each 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.080 of you fall on the spectrum, it seems like people 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.600 roll their eyes even if you're wearing a mask. Everywhere 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.360 you go, the person with a face shield, you roll 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:07.760 their eyes with them, you know what I'm saying. Like 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.800 you judge everyone else on the spectrum. So if you 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.440 say to your parents or your husband's parents, you cannot 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.800 come over and see the newborn, I'm not comfortable. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:17.680 They're not going to be happy with that. But I 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.040 think there is a safe way to do it. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.680 I think if you do it in your yard, if 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.000 you do it outside and there are masks, I think 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.240 it will be fine. I do think that that's the 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.440 new world we live in, that we can go to restaurants, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:29.920 but it has to be outsided in masks. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.760 My daughters can go to dance class, but it. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.920 Has to be outside and in masks. That's the world now, 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.040 and I think that I don't think that's dangerous. I 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.360 think you're gonna be okay. And yeah, they might not 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.400 be thrilled about it, but it's better than not seeing 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:42.320 their new grandchild. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:50.560 Honey. I agree, Yeah, I mean, I agree, it's it's 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.280 a spectrum. I mean, the thing is is ultimately comes 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.040 down to her and her husband what they feel most 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.520 comfortable with. Like, I would never want someone to fault 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.959 us for being like that. But at the same time, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.919 when it's your family and you're not in a different 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.960 state and you still see them from time to time, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.920 they're still in your circle of people you see on 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.040 a regular basis. Now, you don't want the brand new 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.760 friends you just meant to come over and see them. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.399 But if it's the people you see on a more 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.119 regular basis, I don't see the issue. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.159 I agree, all right, I got something good from our 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.880 book that I want to read. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.719 Yeah, what you got? Where's it at? 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.080 So? I'm going to only read some of it because 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.159 I want you guys to finish it. I'll stop and 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.720 then i'll show you where to pick up. Okay, page 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:50.000 thirty three. Okay, So again I'm only giving. And there's 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.960 something so juicy that we have not told anybody. After 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.040 this part, I'm going to read you the beforehand to 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.200 get you hooked, and then you're going to go on 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.080 Amazon or on Mike dot com you can get the book. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.800 Here we go. I remember when I heard your side 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.760 of the street in therapy. I quickly replied, oh, my 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.760 side of the street is shiny and clean, thank you. Next, 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.680 it's easy as hell to point the finger at the 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.000 other person, and I did it for years with Mike. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.639 I would always think, well, he's the one who looked up, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.240 so why do I need to look on my side 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.639 of the street when I've done nothing wrong. It's a 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.960 very narrow minded response, I know. And even though yes, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.560 I technically did nothing wrong to cause his affairs, how 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.000 I handled our repair is now part of my side 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.159 of the street. You can play the blame game and 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.000 point fingers for only so long. But this realization was 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.560 slightly annoying for me at first. And took some time, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.720 but I knew the marriage wouldn't work out if I 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.680 didn't put the pointer finger away and start cleaning my 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:47.520 side of the street. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:49.000 So how did I do that? 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.280 What does that look like look like in action? And 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.120 how did it make me feel? How did it help us? Well? 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:54.359 For me? 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.399 This happened while I was doing Dancing with the Stars, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.200 which began only a few weeks after we separated. Mike 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.040 was in rehab and I was in an all out 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.760 war with my emotions. Most days I would push Mike 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.520 out of my brain and try to live in the 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.320 world as if he didn't exist. Other days I was 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.399 too weak to push and I missed him, and I 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.159 hoped he would be in the audience watching me perform, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.359 rooting for me, regardless of how I was feeling. Whenever 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.640 he would call me from rehab, I would lash out 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.480 at him, tell him I didn't want anything to do 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.720 with him. I would hang up and realize that I 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.399 had no idea what direction my life was headed in 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.360 or what I should do. The only times that gave 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.920 me calm was when I looked at our baby girl. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.560 I knew that, regardless of the outcome, I wanted the 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.560 best for her. One night We've never shared this. One night, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.760 immediately after I'd finished doing the jive on the show, 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.959 my manager Catherine sat me down and said, Mike filed 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:54.000