1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs, two Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Ben and that makes this stuff they don't want you 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: to know. And you, guys, oh man, you're in for 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: a treat. This is something we usually don't get to cover. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: It's a mega conspiracy, that's right. It is a conspiracy that, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: if true, involves multiple conspiracies functioning in concert. This is 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: a supersize conspiracy theory. And we do have to say theory, Matt, 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: because at this point, while a few of these things 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: are have been proven right, a few things have been 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: proven true. This is so big that the connections between 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: these events are the part that is that remains theoretical. 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: The connections are the key and and a lot of 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: times with conspiracy theories, that's the missing piece, connective tissue 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: between two or more events. So let's dive right in. First, 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: off to the to our listener Alex on Twitter, who 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: asked us what we were covering earlier this week. Alex, 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: I did tell you that it was an octopus. I 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: did say it was bigger than a giant octopus, but 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: I did not mean the animal. This, in fact, is 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: a group that, if it exists, is called the Octopus. Matt, 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: could you just just lay the gist of the conspiracy 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: theory down for us? Okay, here you go, guys, this 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: is juicy. So the Octopus is a group of interconnected, 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: powerful networks that cooperate together to further their mutual interests 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: and and they've been doing so for a long long 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: time now. This group was allegedly discovered by this journalist. 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: His name was Danny Cassaliro. And if you've watched our 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: video already, uh, the the Tentacles of the Octopus, you 32 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: you saw that we kind of mentioned his name, and uh, 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: this is one of the places where we're gonna go 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: deep into Danny Cassleiro's life. So this guy discovered it 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: and he was beginning an investigation essentially, And what Danny 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Cassileiro was looking into was this ongoing legal dispute between 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and an I T group, a 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: company named in Slow Incorporated. And he he called this 39 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: group the Octopus due to his belief that this there's 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: this organization involved in multiple criminal activities. Again kind of 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: a head that has its tentacles in all these different places. 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: And his investigation it gained him national recognition because he 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: died supposedly as a result. Uh yeah, Now, this is 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: one of those episodes, ladies and gentlemen where if you 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: are not driving fuel free to make a drinking game. 46 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: How many times we mentioned the words alleged or allegedly 47 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: because again we have to be careful with this. Uh. 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Danny Casilero to his friends, Joseph Daniel Casilero full name 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: uh did die in August of nine one. The official 50 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: cause of his death was listed as a suicide, and 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: his body was examined not once but twice by different 52 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: medical professionals, and both times they reached the same conclusion. Now, yeah, well, 53 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: let me just give some context. He he was found 54 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: in a bathtub with his wrists slit up to twelve times. Yeah, 55 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: in the Sheraton Hotel of Martinsburg, West Virginia, exactly. And 56 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: he had told his family and friends that if he 57 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: were to die, it would look like an accident, and 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be an accident. That's according to his brother, right, 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: And um uh, there was a suicide note, right, there 60 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: was a suicide. Note. And let's let's go back here 61 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: first and say that when Castolero started investigating the dispute 62 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: between the Department of Justice in this group in slaw, 63 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: he was just investigating whether or not there were Shenanigan's 64 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: uh going on in these court cases, right, which had 65 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: already turned pretty nasty by the time he shows up 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: on the scene. What he believed, he discovered, this octopus 67 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: that he alleged existed, came about as a result of 68 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: his investigations, and that's when things began to get more 69 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and more tense. That's when he became, you could say, 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: more paranoid. That's when he became more concerned that his 71 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: investigation might put him or his sources in some sort 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: of danger. He had been he had been receiving phone 73 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: calls that were menacing in nature and from anonymous sources, 74 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: and that was corroborated by I think his housekeeper. Absolutely. Uh. 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: His housekeeper corroborated these stories, and U went on record 76 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: saying that she had been the accidental recipient of a 77 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: few of these phone calls. Uh. I believe the the 78 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: anecdote that suck with me the most is where she 79 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: testifies that she received a threatening phone call. When she 80 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: picked up the phone, someone just threatened to throw her 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: and Castolero to the sharks. Now, I don't want to 82 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: make light of it, but this is one of the 83 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: reasons that I am so thankful for caller I D 84 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: and don't answer unfamiliar numbers, you know. And this was 85 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: a time. Uh this is a way to segue into technology, 86 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: because this was a time when the Internet was not 87 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: as wide known, as widely spread as it was today. 88 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: This was a time where people didn't have the pervasive 89 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: access to social media or the abilities that we have 90 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: today to track people. Yeah, it's a it's a strange 91 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: thing to think about, just the time before calor I 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: D something as simple as color I D. Just knowing 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: who you're picking up a phone and connecting to. Uh 94 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 1: it oh man, It just it makes you realize how 95 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: how pervasive, massive amounts of information exists on the people 96 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: you're communicating with at any moment in time. How the 97 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the anonymous nature of that communication is kind of going 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: away right Uh Now, in the case of Castilero, that's 99 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: something we wanted to pin on your radar, folks, So 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: remember that it is going to be a big part 101 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: of this episode in just a few minutes. Uh. For Castilero, 102 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: when the official cause of death was listed as a suicide, 103 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: several of his friends, family members and confidence you mentioned 104 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: his brother already, I mentioned his housekeeper didn't buy the 105 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: official story. They believe that Castelero was murdered because he 106 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: was on the verge of exposing the stuff. They don't 107 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: want you to know, that's right. So so first things first, Ben, Yeah, Um, unfortunately, 108 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: because of cumstances in their lives, people do commit suicide. 109 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: And uh, it's a it's a tough thing to grapple 110 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: with at any time. Um. You know, again, there's so 111 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: many circumstantial things that can happen in stress. We don't 112 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: have to go into all that right now, but we 113 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: do know that it happens, And there was a suicide 114 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: note found with Danny, So it is possible that maybe 115 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: he did take his own life, um, due to the stress. 116 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Anything else I'm saying here is conjecture. But well, I 117 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: think I think the point we're at right now is 118 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: we're asking, Okay, after this this grand mega conspiracy, the 119 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: gist of this, could it be true? We have outlined 120 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You raise a very important and 121 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: unfortunate point, which is that people do take their own lives. 122 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: We've already mentioned that he was found with the ten 123 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: to twelve slash wounds on his wrist in the bathtub 124 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: of room five seventeen. I believe that the sheridan that 125 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: he had also been harassed and threatened as his progress 126 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: on the end slaw case, uh, cont innued to go 127 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: a little bit deeper each time, a little bit further 128 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. It's also true that Time magazine 129 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: had commissioned him to cover this case. And now we 130 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: have to ask why was he in Martinsburg, West Virginia. 131 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: To begin with, here is the major point of contention. 132 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: He was there because he was making contact with the 133 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: source that he really believed would give him the last 134 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: little bit of connective tissue, the evidence that he needed 135 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: to reach what he called the head of the octopus, 136 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: the main part of the organization. And UH, that's why 137 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: people believe that he did not take his own life. 138 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: Right now, if we look at this octopus thing, this idea, 139 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: if it it does exist, then what we're looking at 140 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: is the concept of some sort of super mafia for 141 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: lack of a better term. Sure. Uh, the before we 142 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: go too far into the super mafia aspect or whatever, 143 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: let's look at some of the big players that Castelelero 144 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: and other conspiracy theorists after him have been naming as 145 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: members or tentacles of the octopus, the possible suspects, right yeah, 146 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: not the usual, but the possible. Uh yeah. So the 147 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: first one is the Department of Justice. Uh so, so 148 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: they used and improved this this piece of software called 149 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: Promise and it was that was this is the thing 150 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: that was made by Insula Incorporated, and they used it 151 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: to become basically full on people tracking and and uh 152 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: surveillance machines or they they wanted to be a people tracker, right, Yeah, 153 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: they took they took the idea of the Promise software, 154 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: which was means of managing legal cases electronically, and enhanced 155 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: this source code so that it wouldn't just be a 156 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: case management system, but it would be a people management system. 157 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: And after they enhanced it, which violated the terms of 158 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: their license. Uh, they also cooperated with other governments um 159 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: to sell the software. But I wanna, I want to 160 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: save some of the Promised stuff. Just need to know 161 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: that there that they're one of the biggest players. At 162 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: least they're one of the first touchstones that Constellero believed 163 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: he found. Now, of course, uh, this being a story 164 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: about spies, we can't go too far without running into 165 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: an intelligence agency, right, and so it should be no 166 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: surprise that another member of this alleged octopus would be 167 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: the CIA, which was allegedly working with Iran private weapon 168 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: manufacturers and a bank called b c c I to 169 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: uh funnel drug trade and weapons sales money from Iran 170 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: and other sources into money for Nicaraguan contras um, which, 171 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: of course a lot of our listeners will recognize as 172 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: the Iran contra scandal. Yes, and you do a great 173 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: job of outlining that, Ben, I have to say in 174 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: the video the Tentacles video. If you haven't watched it, 175 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: please again watch that video. Oh yeah, our Wednesday video. Yep, 176 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: um the well, thank you, Matt. I appreciate I I was. 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: I was proud of that video. You did a great job. 178 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: So man, I'm blessing over here. And so we did 179 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: mention the banks as well, the b c c I, 180 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: which was again allegedly UH working with the CIA and 181 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: related organizations to store and launder money. One point there, 182 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: when we say allegedly working with the CIA, in this case, 183 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: it's a little bit nuanced because we do know that 184 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: b c c I and the CIA were working together. 185 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: The question is whether they were working together to do 186 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: something illegal. You know what I mean. It's not it's 187 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: not abnormal for government agency to work with a private 188 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: organization like a bank. Absolutely, and the any you know, 189 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: you've always heard follow the money. So we've already gotten 190 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: to the bank. Who else could we possibly have on 191 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: this list? Ben? Oh, well, I'm I'm scooting to the 192 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: edge of my seat, Matt. Who is it? I's Iran. 193 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: So we've mentioned that Iran is buying weapons, and they're 194 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: also supplying cash for the contras in Nicaragua, and uh, 195 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: even though maybe they didn't even know about it. Maybe 196 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: maybe Iran didn't know where the cash was good. Maybe um, 197 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: maybe they did. But uh, they're also working with factions 198 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: of the Reagan administration to manufacture a little thing called 199 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: the October Surprise, which remains um alleged to say, oh 200 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: my gosh, if people are playing the drinking game, now 201 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: have some water. Please have a couple of SIPs of water. 202 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: For the next few alleged alleged mentioned, So the October 203 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: surprise real quick sidebar is this conspiracy theory that during 204 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: the time that Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter were both 205 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: contesting the office of the presidency in the United States, 206 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: that there were hostages held by Iran and that somehow 207 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: somebody told them, told the hostage takers to hold those 208 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: hostages until um, they would be released, you know, when 209 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: Reagan was elected or something like that. Yeah, and there 210 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: there's some there's some pros and cons. It is definitely 211 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to think about. But again it is 212 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: important to say that that was never conclusively proven. The 213 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: timing did happen to work out that way, however, agreed, 214 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: it's not proven. Well, yeah, and how much of that 215 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: is confirmation bias or so much you want to see 216 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: and and how much of that other people would argue 217 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: was somehow suppressed because again, in an age before such 218 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: pervasive technology existed, you know, uh, it may have been 219 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: easier to do something with that amount of subterfuge. But 220 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: those are some of the big players. And here's the thing. 221 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: Castelero believed that these were all related. All um, if 222 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: you will, all all tips above the water of a 223 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: massive iceberg. That was all one thing and to to 224 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: really figure out more of this. Now it's time for 225 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: us to look at Promise. We've mentioned what happened in 226 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: the early nineteen eighties, and this is in our our 227 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: video series on this in the early nineteen eighties. Uh, 228 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: this I t group in Slaw, which I still think 229 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: is a terrible name. It just yeah, it doesn't ring. 230 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: It sounds like they're Cole slawad is the Slaw part? Yeah? 231 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Maybe we're just hungry? Are we guilty of podcasting hunger? 232 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I think I think PR has just gotten so much 233 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: more pervasive and people have gotten better at PR. Now 234 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: you don't name your company something like that, and maybe 235 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: it has a personal reason. Um yeah, that's perhaps it's 236 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: a clever acronym. That's uh really, I guess not the 237 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: not the most relevant point to assure today. But despite 238 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: our opinion about what they name their company, one thing 239 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: is for sure, objectively speaking, they were fantastic at this 240 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: case management software. This idea of promise um is is 241 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: something that changes the game. If we can cast our 242 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: memories back to the nineteen eighties, or for you younger listeners, 243 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: cast your imagination back there. Uh, the deal that the 244 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Department of Justice made within slaw was to install this 245 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: revolutionary people managing case management software in forty two U S. 246 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Attorney's offices across the United States. And when you make 247 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: these kind of agreements for software, when you're essentially doing 248 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: is buying a license. So right, so the Department of 249 00:15:53,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: Justice gets a license for these forty two locations of promise. However, 250 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: as as we mentioned earlier, apparently in the Department of Justice, 251 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: according to inslaw and a couple of court cases, uh, 252 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice stole this program, enhance the code 253 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: to make a bigger, better promise and sold it to 254 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: foreign governments. In slaw did take them to court. Inslaw 255 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't just say, uh, you know, uncle Sam wasn't truthful 256 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: in his dealings with us. They also said that Uncle 257 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Sam was attempting to bankrupt the company in order to 258 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: silence them and stop the litigation. And there's more to that. 259 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: I just want to also reiterate that another thing that 260 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: they did that d o J with this software is 261 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: right a back door so that the people they were 262 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: selling this software too, they could have access to the 263 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: information that was being used on other ends. So let's say, 264 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: let's say of I don't know them, SAD purchase this software. 265 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: It gets installed. Now I in the U S and 266 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the d O J. I can read everything that you're 267 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: putting in through this software because I know how to 268 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: access it. Right or or as was specifically alleged, it 269 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: was Middle Eastern countries. They said that the United States 270 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: was selling this to Syria or Jordan's with the backdoor 271 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: to monitor the activities of the government. If this is 272 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: or was true, it's a very hefty and serious allegation. Um, 273 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: still drinking water, you have more and uh, the this 274 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: is what happened. So it's very interesting a bankruptcy judge 275 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: of all people sides with inslaw and gives him a 276 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: heap of money too. Yeah, it says that the Department 277 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: of Justice must pay the president events Law Bill Hamilton's 278 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: six point eight million dollars in damages. Yeah. It's pretty serious. 279 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: But but that wasn't the end, right. Uh, Well, it 280 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: was the end of that judge's career because when his 281 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: reappointment came up, he was not reappointed. Uh, and he 282 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: believes that this was in some way retribution for his ruling. Uh. 283 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: There was another judge appointed to fill that seat, who 284 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: was one of the lawyers arguing in the ins Law 285 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: versus d O G d O J. Case. By the way, 286 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: if you guys want to in in the interim before 287 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: our episode drops later in this week. Uh, if you 288 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: want to find out more about this Insulaw case, there's 289 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: a YouTube video from an Australian broadcasting company that back 290 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: in the day did an entire series called The Insula Affair. 291 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: And you may or may not find a link to 292 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: it somewhere hidden in our video from Wednesday. Yeah, you 293 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: might have to go frame by frame, but it's there, right, 294 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: It's somewhere in there. And speaking of massive conspiracies, we 295 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: do always have a couple of interesting little easter eggs 296 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: in our videos. So if you think you've seen the 297 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: whole thing from watching it once, might bear another look 298 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: or five or five. Yes, And uh, now that we're 299 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: adding our own massive conspiracy on top of this. Uh. 300 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: If we get back to this concept here, um, this 301 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: this idea that somehow these things could all be connected, 302 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: then we realize that these allegations require an extraordinary amount 303 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: of proof. Um. First off, we know that we know 304 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: that Congress did not dismiss these Uh, these allegations or 305 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: these claims that were congressional investigations into the matter, and 306 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: the Standing Subcommittee or the Permanent subcommittee tasked with looking 307 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: at this in the Senate found that, how did they 308 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: put it, we cannot say there is any evidence of wrongdoing. Yes, 309 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: they could not say that there was no wrongdoing, and 310 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: they could not say that there was wrongdoing. It's it's 311 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: not it's not up there with you know, neither confirm 312 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: nor deny. But but they said when Congress looked at it, 313 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: that the facts just weren't there for further legal action. 314 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: Not every member of Congress was happy with this, of course, 315 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: and people who believed that there was something rotten and 316 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: Denmark or rotten in Washington to point of phrase, Uh, 317 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: for those people, this was further confirmation that there was 318 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: something amiss. However, at this point, we do know that, um, 319 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: we we do know that Danny Castolero's piece that was 320 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: going to be published, uh, never saw prints. And we 321 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: do know that there there are some fairly divided groups 322 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: about this, right, which is something you and I run 323 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: into a lot on shows. Uh. There are people who 324 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: say that this is pervasive and it's massive, and the 325 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: lack of hard evidence indicates that there's someone out there 326 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: suppressing truth. And then we have the other side and 327 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: that it's still happening, and yeah, they're still in charge. 328 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: There's these people are still doing it. Yeah. But then 329 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: there are other people who just say, come on, guys, 330 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: this is this is this is crazy talk. We can't 331 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: we can't even look into these kind of things. Because 332 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: if we truly believe that these people can be this 333 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: organized and you know, this secretive about something this huge, 334 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: then guys, what the heck are we doing here? And 335 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: that's always the question, isn't it when it comes to 336 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: the idea of a massive conspiracy. Uh, most people are 337 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: terrible at keeping a secret, a meaningless secret. You know, 338 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: like you you watched a television show that you were 339 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: supposed to watch with your friends by yourself. Can you 340 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: keep it quiet till Thursday? Yeah? Right? And I mean 341 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: that's anecdotal, and I'm not trying to belittle this, but 342 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: what I am saying is for this to be true, 343 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: there would have to be a lot of other things 344 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: in play. And for people who do believe that there's 345 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, they point to um numerous mysterious deaths that 346 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: maybe mafia hits. It is it is known, Uh, it 347 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: has come to light before that various factions of domestic 348 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: agencies have worked in some way or another with a 349 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: criminal element, right like the old Fast and Furious scandal 350 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: um or the idea of people who would be CIA 351 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: assets or informants working with criminal organizations. That's why, that's 352 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: why we're very careful to say facets, because we we 353 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: can't say that an entire group of people does something 354 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: because a couple do. Yeah. But but we also know 355 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: that organizations like the CIA, and specifically the CIA, they 356 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: have their hands and a lot of things. We recently 357 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: just learned that well, something that we probably all kind 358 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: of assumed, but that in Ukraine, the the forces in 359 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine are being i I want to use the word managed, 360 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: but that's not the correct advised. That would be the 361 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: correct word by the CIA as well as the FBI 362 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: because of an anti terrorism angle. Well, I'm sure that 363 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: there are other forces in Ukraine being advised by the 364 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: kgbly excuse me, oh, they don't exist anymore. Sorry, So 365 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: as we see this is this is just a kind 366 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: of a quick look to explore in some more detail 367 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: the ideas of the octopus. And it's strange to think 368 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: that this story was big for a time. Yeah, and 369 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: now I think it's safe to say that most people, 370 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: um are not aware of this historical conspiracy theory. I 371 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: would say a lot of people are aware of some 372 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: of some of the tentacles, right, Yeah, And the big 373 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: question is if they were all connected. We know that 374 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: the octopus, whether it is real or not, has never 375 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: been proven to exist, but some allegations did become fact. 376 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: Aron Contra became a real scandal, and uh. Then congressional 377 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: investigations into the Department of Justice and Inslaw returned with 378 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: findings that Congress itself did not agree with and in 379 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: and for a long time, litigation dragged on between Inslaw 380 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: and the Department of Justice, and the October Surprise became 381 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: a big thing. Well I guess it kind of rocking 382 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: it up into a big thing, but it was still 383 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: never proven, right, yeah, it's still alleged. Uh. And then 384 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: you know, and let's pause here just for a second, 385 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: because I have to ask you, how much of this 386 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: would you say? Uh, thanks, Lisa. October Surprise. On contrary, 387 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: these things that pop up around election time or to 388 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: take down a president. How many of these things are 389 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: genuine and how many are manufactured political crises? This always 390 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, I've been watching House of Cards and thinking, John, Yeah, 391 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: well yeah, okay, so is strictly in my opinion. I 392 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: would say that powerful people will use means to get 393 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: what they want or need. Um, yeah, they'll use all 394 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: kinds of different means. But I don't necessarily think, I 395 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: don't know, putting lives in danger in that way, specifically 396 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: for the October surprise. I have to remain skeptical just 397 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: to just to not go hide in a whole somewhere. Well, 398 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: if we did, okay, just come with me. We did 399 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: a cost benefit analysis. Let's say you're pressure right, you're 400 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: going to be president. Would you want to take the 401 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: risk of something going wrong? Because if something goes even 402 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: just a little bit wrong, your can't Your career is 403 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: going to be messed up, I suppose, And if I 404 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: have the means and the assets to manage the situation, 405 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: and I guess I would. All right, So before we 406 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: go to some feedback from our listeners who have written 407 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: in to us from around the world, and thank you guys, 408 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: I gotta ask Matt Tell me if you don't want 409 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: to go on record saying this, if the octopus will 410 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: get us. Do you think this is a conspiracy theory 411 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: or a conspiracy fact And do you think Danny Castilero 412 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: took his own life or do you think he was murdered? 413 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I'll answer these two, all right, Okay, it's fair. Well, 414 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: I would have to say, I know the feeling, and 415 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: I've seen it so many It's cropped up for so 416 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: many of the people that we've talked about who have died, 417 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: who have committed suicide, at least according to the official record, UM, 418 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: who go on record to their friends and family and 419 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: say that I will never commit suicide, and then they do, 420 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: at least according to the record, And that just that 421 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: alone makes me suspicious. UM, I would have to say, 422 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: I personally don't think he committed suicide. Okay, all right, 423 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: I see, I see what you're saying. UM. With whether 424 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: or not this is a conspiracy theory or if there 425 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: is a large factual basis behind it. What I've been 426 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: looking for and what I think you and I have 427 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: both been looking for as we as we look through 428 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: this case, as we researched and dug into various things. 429 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Um is some more connective tissue. I really enjoy that 430 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: phrase you use, because it is completely possible that various 431 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: things can happen drug activity, weapons trades, being manufacturer on 432 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: Indian reservation, and and proxy companies and stuff like that. 433 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: It's completely possible that those happened without being related. And 434 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: as for whether Danny Castelero was murdered that night or 435 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: whether he committed suicide, I'm gonna have to say that 436 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: the unless there's more information that I don't have, the 437 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: notion that he committed suicide does seem abnormal to me. 438 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: It's it's um. Skepticism goes both ways, you know what 439 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean. And this is not to say that people 440 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: don't uh don't do things like this without for warning, 441 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: you know. And um, of course we remain open minded. 442 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: If there's more to the story, perhaps there were some 443 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: warning signs that Castelero showed beforehand, you know, the red 444 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: flags or yellow flags of someone having suicidal ideation. But 445 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: with the knowledge we have, with what we've checked, um 446 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: it it does seem suspicious. But again again we go 447 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: back his the body was examined not once but twice, 448 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: and both times it was how his body was however, 449 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: embalmed before of the family was even made aware that 450 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: he was dead, which is interesting. At least that's according 451 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: to his brother Um from that Australian broadcast. Here's the 452 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: one last thing I would want to add Ben, for 453 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: someone to if someone killed Danny Castle Arrow, I would 454 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: say that it doesn't It doesn't mean that the octopus 455 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: in total has to be real. All it means is 456 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: that one of the things, one of the tentacles, had 457 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: to be real and dangerous enough for him to be 458 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: investigating that he would warrant someone taking his life. So 459 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: just the fact, even if he truly did not commit suicide, 460 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily prove that the octopus exists. Right, Yeah, 461 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: that's a really good point, man. And speaking of really 462 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: good points, we would like you guys to make a few. 463 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think about this whole octopus 464 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: mega conspiracy. Is it all bunk? Is it all true? 465 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: Is there a spectrum and this and this story falls 466 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: somewhere in between. What do you think, if anything could 467 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: finally determine the truth of this story or is it 468 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: even possible to Is this just a story? Um? Of course, 469 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: you can read numerous articles. Wired has some great stuff 470 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: on that Time magazine as well about people who believe 471 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: that they are cracking down on this case or tracking it, 472 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: and um, we're just very interested to hear what you 473 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: have to say about it. And that's right. Find us 474 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: on Facebook we are conspiracy Stuff. 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And just to prove that, just to prove 484 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: to you how much we enjoy listener mail, Matt, you 485 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: wanna check out a tweet, Let's do it, okay, Matt. 486 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Today's tweet comes to us from our friends Zombie combat Diver, 487 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: who says, Hey, conspiracy stuff. Uh, looking at all the 488 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: zombie lore, why aren't there zombie animals? Well, I'm gonna 489 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: feel this one if you don't mind, Ben, Yeah, take it. Away. Well, 490 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: first of all, hello, Eric, Uh oh is that okay? 491 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys met each other? I r L. 492 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah? He may or may not work 493 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: in our building. And he drives the coolest vehicle that 494 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Definitely a living person, 495 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: though not a zombie. Not a zombie. Good good to know. Well, 496 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: I would have to say there have been at least 497 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: lore of animal zombies. All you have to do is 498 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: check out Resident Evil, any of that franchise that shows 499 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: you that many there's a virus that infects all living beings, 500 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: including spiders and snakes, everything in between. Although there isn't much, 501 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: There isn't much old folklore of zombie animals. I guess 502 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: I think maybe it has something to do with to 503 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: be a zombie. It has something to do with losing consciousness, 504 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: losing humanity. Yeah. Well, uh that's a great point, Matt, 505 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: and I think I can dovetail onto this a little bit. 506 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: The most apparent example I can think of would be 507 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: the undead animals in pet Cemetery the novel, not the film, 508 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: which is fine, which is fine. Um, they don't explain 509 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: why they spell it that way in the novel either, 510 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: but you are right, there does seem to be kind 511 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: of a dearth of folklore. Maybe for something to be 512 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: an undead thing has to have a humanity, uh to lose. 513 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: But to add another interesting addition here, Um, it is 514 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: true that there are numerous animals that can enter a 515 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: deathlike state and then be resurrected. You know, they're frogs 516 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: that will just tough out a drought in the dry 517 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: mud of a river bed. Um. There are other animals 518 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: that can be put And now I'm not talking about 519 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: a bear hibernating or something, because it still has life 520 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: signs that you can monitor. But it is um, it 521 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: is possible that people thought it was a normal thing 522 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: for some animals just to die and come back when 523 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the water returns. But it is possible that people in 524 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: the past may have seen some of these animals and 525 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: just thought it was normal for them to quote unquote 526 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: die and then return to life. Um. And that is 527 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: if our show we have a whole bunch of tweets 528 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: that we would like to answer on air with some 529 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: excellent questions, I think a little special then yeah, I 530 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: think it might be time that for a listener question special, 531 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: which will will come up with a way better sounding type. Yeah, 532 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: one more thing, just in case you are not intoxicated. 533 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: Alleged alleged uh and alleged yes, yes, yes, allegedly that 534 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: was our plan all along, right that yes, man, when 535 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: we came in here, we allegedly had a plan. 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