WEBVTT - Hurricane Conspiracy Theories

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone media, welcome to it could happen here. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful sunny day in Atlanta, Georgia, which means

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're all lying about the weather. They said

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<v Speaker 1>this hurricane was going to come, and I'm fine, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe them. It's all fake. Joined with me today

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<v Speaker 1>is Mia Wong. I'm Garrison Davis. Welcome, di could happen here?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome And it's hey, look it's it's cloudy in Portland.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly they were telling the truth. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in your reality, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that the Republicans have hijacked the weather

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<v Speaker 1>control matrix and are aiming it at Portland, Oregon to

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<v Speaker 1>wipe it off the map, to give Oregon to give

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<v Speaker 1>Oragon's vote to Donald Trump in the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one of my foundational early political memories was

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<v Speaker 2>discovering that, like the mid twenty tens era mayor of

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<v Speaker 2>Ankara thought that NATO had an earthquake machine that they

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<v Speaker 2>were setting off off the coast of Turkey in order

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<v Speaker 2>to cause you namies during hurricane season, so that because

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<v Speaker 2>so deep, NATO could destroy the Turkish economy, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we thought that was very funny. And now

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<v Speaker 2>every every single like major politician did America believe some

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<v Speaker 2>shit like that now?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Oh, everyone has something, not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has the same thing, but everyone has something crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>they believe. And that's what we're talking about here today. So,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, it is. It has gotten bad, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>As Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton brought widespread devastation to

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<v Speaker 1>the southeastern United States, politicians, TV anchors, and influencers have

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to weaponize the tragedy and the disaster relief

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<v Speaker 1>effort for their own partisan electoral gain, particularly via the

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<v Speaker 1>use of disinformation. Now, while the government's response to Hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>Helene can certainly be criticized, bad faith attacks originating from

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<v Speaker 1>the far right have spread wildly online and have been

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<v Speaker 1>boosted by Trump and Fox News. Many of these focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, with some

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<v Speaker 1>of them connecting to like decades old conspiracy theories about

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<v Speaker 1>the agency. Yeah, so this episode, we're gonna go over

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<v Speaker 1>some of the conspiracy theories and misinformation circulating about these hurricanes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily to like debunk them, because like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know who's listening to this, but I think it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>more helpful to place them into the larger tapestry of

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy thinking leading into the election and discuss how modern

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation has presented a whole new problem that simple fact

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<v Speaker 1>checks aren't equipped to handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Garrison, you you are, you are very confident about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I personally know leftists who I have been friends

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<v Speaker 2>with who believe the weather weapons shit.

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<v Speaker 4>So you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I do believe that fact checks aren't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the main solution here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they're not gonna They're not gonna help that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, Look, there are believers everywhere for the

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<v Speaker 2>eyes to see.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what I'm saying here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's start by talking about Donald Trump and FEMA.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, So some of the misinformation spreading about FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>right now includes the claim that the age is only

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<v Speaker 1>providing seven hundred and fifty dollars in aid to individuals

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<v Speaker 1>affected by Hurricane Helene, when actually the seven hundred fift

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<v Speaker 1>dollars payments are just the initial really funds to help

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<v Speaker 1>with immediate needs. There's also been claims that FEMA only

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<v Speaker 1>issues loans and any relief money received has to be

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<v Speaker 1>paid back. This isn't true. Only in rare cases when

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<v Speaker 1>someone receives duplicate funds from FEMA and insurance does money

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<v Speaker 1>have to be returned to FEMA. There's also been claims

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<v Speaker 1>that if victims fail to pay back FEMA, they will

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<v Speaker 1>then seize your property. This is also false. More on

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<v Speaker 1>this later now. A TikTok video with over a million

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<v Speaker 1>views claimed that FEMA is raiding people's homes to seize supplies.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't true. FEMA doesn't raid people's healths. On a

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<v Speaker 1>more racist note, it's claimed that FEMA has run out

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<v Speaker 1>of money for hurricane victims because Kamala spent billions of

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<v Speaker 1>FEMA dollars on housing for illegal immigrants. At a campaign rally,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump said, and I'm not going to do the

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<v Speaker 1>voice the Harris Biden administration says they don't have money

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<v Speaker 1>because they spend it all on illegal immigrants. They stole

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<v Speaker 1>the FEMA money, just like they stole it from a bank,

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<v Speaker 1>so that they could give it to their illegal immigrants unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>This lie was also shared by Sean Hannity on Fox News,

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<v Speaker 1>and even when confronted with facts that discredit this claim,

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<v Speaker 1>commentators on Fox still insist that even though it's not

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<v Speaker 1>technically true, it still feels true.

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<v Speaker 5>It may not be actually true that FEMA resources that

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<v Speaker 5>could have been available in North Carolina have been given

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<v Speaker 5>to migrants, but there's no question about the broader orientation

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<v Speaker 5>of FEMA under the Biden Harris administration, which has been

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<v Speaker 5>to channel huge amounts of money to communities and to

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<v Speaker 5>non governmental organizations to help with the massive influx of

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<v Speaker 5>migrants that they themselves have created.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a fun one too, because like there

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<v Speaker 2>is FEMA underfunding, but the reason they're FEMA underfunding is

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<v Speaker 2>it Republicans keep voting not to give it more money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, which, oh boys, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean again, Like this is a big part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican strategy, just making life worse for everybody so that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's more angry, so that people will vote Republican. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is the strategy they want, because as long as

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<v Speaker 1>they're as long as their base is doing badly and

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<v Speaker 1>in like upset and angry, they will find some way

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<v Speaker 1>to blame it on the opposition and then vote in Republican.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been the conservative governmental strategy for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do all the terrible stuff and then blame the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that you did on immigrants, which yeah, good times,

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<v Speaker 2>love this country great, still happening.

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<v Speaker 1>A famously reliable strategy. Trump's also lied about the governor

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<v Speaker 1>of Georgia not being able to get in contact with

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<v Speaker 1>President Biden to coordinate disaster relief efforts, when in fact

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<v Speaker 1>they had spoken the day prior. Trump also claims that

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government and the North Carolina Democratic governor have

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<v Speaker 1>been quote going out of their way to not help

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<v Speaker 1>people in Republican areas unquote. This is also completely false

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<v Speaker 1>that there were more isolated areas in North Carolina that

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<v Speaker 1>were harder to reach, but people are trying to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, some of the hardest reach areas were

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<v Speaker 1>actually immigrant communities who were too scared to like actually

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<v Speaker 1>ask for federal help out of fear they would be deported.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, yes, there actually is people really struggling to

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<v Speaker 1>get a relief, but it's not by and large your

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<v Speaker 1>Trump voters. Like again, certainly the relief efforts managed by

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<v Speaker 1>the government have had their fair share of problems. People

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<v Speaker 1>are not getting all the help they need, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a conspiracy by the Democratic governor to deprive

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans of hurricane relief, Like, that's not true. Now, Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>falsehoods about the hurricane and the disaster response in service

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<v Speaker 1>of his reelection campaign have signaled that it's aok for

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans to spread all manner of hurricane conspiracy theories targeting

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government. Oh boy, and this is where we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into the newest conspiracy theories sweeping the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>That the government controls the weather, all of the weather,

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<v Speaker 1>especially hurricanes. Now this is not a new conspiracy theory. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sick of the weather weapon shit. But the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we have sitting in congressmen including Martie Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Green from Georgia, who is riding this thing like a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking horse, is a little bit wild. She has been

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<v Speaker 1>posting NonStop the past week about how quote unquote they

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<v Speaker 1>control the weather. I wonder what they means. She has

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<v Speaker 1>been attributing the weather modification to a few different agencies,

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<v Speaker 1>including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure of sure, no one's doing this, Like.

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<v Speaker 6>Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>She has posted memes that that prove that they're controlling

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<v Speaker 1>the weather because they list a whole bunch of weather

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<v Speaker 1>modification patents Now, the funny thing is is that most

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<v Speaker 1>of these patents are like over one hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 1>if any of them are expired. Yeah, these patents contain

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<v Speaker 1>plans to drop water from balloons to produce rain. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the weather modification she's talking about. She included a patent

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<v Speaker 1>that includes like a way to use like airplane exhaust

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<v Speaker 1>to blow away poison gas from like trenches.

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<v Speaker 4>That's chemtrails, Garrison, it's chemtrails.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absurd. All of these things are like are like

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<v Speaker 1>ancient patents, and like weather modification is a real thing technically,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have been trying to alter the weather. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the pointed to like real technologies is cloud seating.

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<v Speaker 1>Cloud seating is a small scale technology to alter cloud's precipitation,

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<v Speaker 1>usually to increase the cloud's ability to produce localized rain

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<v Speaker 1>by adding ice or condensation nuclei into the forming clouds.

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<v Speaker 1>This helps areas suffering from drought and low rainfall. Cloud

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<v Speaker 1>seating has been jumped upon by Republican conspiracy theorists as

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<v Speaker 1>proof that the government is actually engaging in a massive

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<v Speaker 1>weather control operation, including to produce hurricanes. Now, hurricanes are

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<v Speaker 1>famously quite large, and it is impossible to determine the

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<v Speaker 1>path or cause one to happen. This just simply isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean the largest scale like attempts to

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate weather that humanity has ever done, like on purpose,

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't global warming, was for two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics in Beijing, and it took It took the entire industrial,

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<v Speaker 2>technological and scientific capacity of a nation of one billion

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<v Speaker 2>people and putting like an unfathomable amount of resources and

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<v Speaker 2>planning and like logistical capability at specifically not making it

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<v Speaker 2>ran in Beijing for like a fairly small amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time and lowering the air pollution levels. They barely managed

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<v Speaker 2>to pull that off. So they they sort of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of made the weather better in one city for like

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks, and that took a level of resource coordination

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<v Speaker 2>like fucking unfathomable, like most human history like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's very challenging to alter the weather. It

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<v Speaker 1>requires it requires a lot of resources.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work very well, like to like shut down

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<v Speaker 2>factories across like half the country like it was fiasco.

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<v Speaker 1>And like these people aren't actually like talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're talking about conspiratorial efforts from the federal government's illuminati

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<v Speaker 1>to to like to like target hurricanes yea like on

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<v Speaker 1>certain red states to alter the election. Like that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's really what they're talking about. Conspiracy theorists and the

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<v Speaker 1>right have pointed it to HARP University of Alaska Fairbrenks program,

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<v Speaker 1>not the HARP that uses high frequency equipment to study

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<v Speaker 1>the upper atmosphere. According to Reuters, no atmospheric monitoring equipment

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<v Speaker 1>do not alter the weather. Conspiracy theorists have also targeted

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<v Speaker 1>Doppler radios and next rad basically like radar control systems

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<v Speaker 1>and radio control systems, as being used to change weather

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<v Speaker 1>patterns and cause hurricanes. This this, this isn't true. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't change the weather with a radio or with radar. Again, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not we're not debunking this because this is so no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so ludicrous. But these are the conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>that they're invoking. And like and like HARP, conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>do go back quite a while. I've seen a few

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<v Speaker 1>other things talking about like direct energy weapons and lasers

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<v Speaker 1>from space or lasers from the ground pointed out the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere which caused hurricanes to form this also isn't real.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot cause the hurricane deform. It's it's too big.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing about this stuff is like these are

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<v Speaker 2>all old conspiracies, right, but it's like these are things

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<v Speaker 2>that used to be Like like you would you would

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<v Speaker 2>walk into a room full of guys who believe that

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven was staged with holograms and that MKA

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<v Speaker 2>Altra successfully produced mind control that was originally developed by

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea, and those people would laugh the like harp

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<v Speaker 2>idiots out of the room. Yeah, it was a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>seen by other conspiracy theorists as like too obviously bullshit, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what isn't bullshit?

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<v Speaker 4>Meya? Is it the products of services that support this podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>It sure is?

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<v Speaker 4>The MyPillow guy, you try to sell gold, now here.

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<v Speaker 1>We go get your gold. All right, we are back.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, these conspiracy theories have existed for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about some degree of the government's ability to

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<v Speaker 1>influence natural disasters and like big weather events. People have

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<v Speaker 1>tried to blame forest fires on lasers. Specifically the Maui

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<v Speaker 1>fires from a few years ago, they said were actually

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<v Speaker 1>caused by direct energy weapons to get people to flee

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<v Speaker 1>their land so that it could be seized by the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government. All this kind of stuff. Now, like some

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<v Speaker 1>of them also point to like geoengineering, right, they say

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<v Speaker 1>that although geoengineering is said to conduct climate change, it

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<v Speaker 1>actually causes climate change. Geoengineering, there's technically a few forms,

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<v Speaker 1>but the one that we're talking about basically like injects

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<v Speaker 1>aricized chemicals into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight. Obviously reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>some lights, not going to make a hurricane worse, but whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>this has gotten really bad. This has taken over a

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<v Speaker 1>significant portion of the online right to the point that

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<v Speaker 1>even people like Dysantis are having to come out and say, hey, guys, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this this, this isn't real. In a press conference, Dysantis

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that there are in fact weather conspiracies quote on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh yeah, by one by one, friend.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of have some people who think the government

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<v Speaker 1>can do this and others think it's because of fossil

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<v Speaker 1>fuels unquote.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my fucking guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Asisis communication director later reiterated the claim, saying, quote the

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<v Speaker 1>government controls the other crowd, and the global warming and

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<v Speaker 1>climate change alarmists are two sides of the same coin.

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<v Speaker 1>Unscientific agenda, motivated and unhelpful. Following a storm, weather is weather,

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<v Speaker 1>unquote Jesus Christ. So even in their refutation of the

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<v Speaker 1>weather controlling conspiracies, they cannot help but dip into some

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<v Speaker 1>climate denial conspiracies. We love to see it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think like hurricanes and natural disasters are uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>susceptible to misinformation. During times of crisis, people try to

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<v Speaker 1>search for information to relieve stress, and they often don't

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<v Speaker 1>take the extra time to verify said information. Whenever a

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<v Speaker 1>new natural disaster strikes, old footage and videos circulate, being

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<v Speaker 1>passed off as current events. Conversations and arguments about climate

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<v Speaker 1>change and climate denial also spark during natural disasters, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a surge of climate change conspiracy theories. While this

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing new, the way people are getting information is

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<v Speaker 1>changing with the increased use of AI, chatbots, personal assistance,

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<v Speaker 1>and image generation. There was this TikTok trend ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Milton where you ask in Amazon Alexa what the

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<v Speaker 1>result of the hurricane was going to be before it

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<v Speaker 1>hit landfall. I'm going to play this video that has

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<v Speaker 1>over two million views on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 7>Alexa how many labs were lost? During Hurricane Milton. Overall,

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<v Speaker 7>extreme Hurricane Milton caused twenty one point three billion dollars

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<v Speaker 7>in damages and caused two hundred and sixty two fatalities

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<v Speaker 7>October eighth, twenty twenty four, twelve to fifteen pm Central Time.

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<v Speaker 1>Very scary now. This other video has over seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand views on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 6>Alexa, what kind of hurricane is Hurricane Milton?

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<v Speaker 7>From fandom dot com. Hurricane Milton was an extremely powerful

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<v Speaker 7>Category five hurricane that caused widespread damage across its path

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<v Speaker 7>in October twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 8>They've already predicted the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Under why so that would may have given you a

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<v Speaker 1>hint about what's going on here. Obviously, Alexa doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>the future, nor has the government pre programmed data about

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<v Speaker 1>its secret weather control program into your echo di Alexa

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<v Speaker 1>just pulls from information it finds online, in this case

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<v Speaker 1>fandom dot com Hypothetical Hurricanes wiki Are You Fucking? Which

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<v Speaker 1>is a wiki which is a wiki based comprehensive database

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<v Speaker 1>of hypothetical tropical cyclone articles that anyone could edit. Unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I said I said as a I said

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<v Speaker 1>as a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of years ago that we were about two

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<v Speaker 2>years out from the QAnon people discovering the plot of

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<v Speaker 2>metal gear solid and believing it was real. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're so close to that now we are two months

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<v Speaker 2>out from them from from an AI telling them the

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<v Speaker 2>plot of metal gear solid and then believing the patriots

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<v Speaker 2>secretly control the government.

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<v Speaker 1>They're quoting from a fandom wiki on fake hurricanes that

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<v Speaker 1>people make for fun and can be manipulated in the

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<v Speaker 1>lead up to a hurricane, specifically to cause this type

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<v Speaker 1>of reaction. Again, like as a bit right, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>absurd now to go even further into this AI singularity

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<v Speaker 1>hell hole.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>A Twitter user tried to debunk that first video I played,

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<v Speaker 1>predicting the death toll. In the replies, this other user wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a Hurricane Milton in the year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Please before you post, at least try to fact check

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<v Speaker 1>with grok unquote. They include a grock AI screenshot that reads,

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<v Speaker 1>quote the name Milton has been used for one hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic Basin. Hurricane Milton occurred in two thousand. However,

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<v Speaker 1>for the twenty twenty four hurricane season, there was another

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Milton, thinking it the second time this name has

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<v Speaker 1>been used for an Atlantic hurricane unquote. So in argument

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<v Speaker 1>then ensued about which AI is correct. Quote. Grock and

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT disagree on the existence of a prior hurricane Milton.

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<v Speaker 1>Groc says, prior to the twenty twenty four hurricane season,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no hurricanes named Milton in the Atlantic. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked chat GPT Hurricane Milton, which occurred in the

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<v Speaker 1>year nineteen ninety caused a significant damage, particularly in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>made landfall. I asked chat GPT a second time. Was

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<v Speaker 1>there a Milton hurricane in two thousand? CHATJBT said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a Hurricane Milton in two thousand. It formed

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<v Speaker 1>in the Eastern Pacific in late December. You know. Another

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<v Speaker 1>person replied, saying, Groc states a two thousand hurricane named

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<v Speaker 1>Milton struck struck Nicaragua in two thousand, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>show up on the National Weather Services hurricane tracking charts

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<v Speaker 1>for two thousand unquote. Very curious. It's insane. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are using chat GPT and Grock AI as

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<v Speaker 1>search engines, and when they hallucinate fake data, they're alleging

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of conspiracy theory to suppress data on a

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<v Speaker 1>previous hurricane Milton, I mean, and it's also just worse,

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<v Speaker 1>like having like this person condescend being like, please before

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<v Speaker 1>you post, try to fact check with grok. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck are you talking about? Groc is a

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<v Speaker 1>comedy AI chat bot that's going to generate you, like

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<v Speaker 1>a nonsense response. It's not a fact checking tool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even a search engine. They're just hallucinating data that

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<v Speaker 1>people are then passing off as real information.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I kind of feel for these people in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that, like, if you live through the twenty tens,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that you were able to do, and that

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<v Speaker 2>you were trained to do, was if you had a question,

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<v Speaker 2>you would type it into Google and sometimes it would

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<v Speaker 2>give you the right answer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But now it's like a machine has been created that

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<v Speaker 2>answers to question what if Google never gave you the

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<v Speaker 2>correct answer? And all of these people have been trained

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<v Speaker 2>that they can put this into the Internet and it

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<v Speaker 2>will give them the correct answer, except now we have

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<v Speaker 2>a machine that destroys the entire Amazon every single second

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<v Speaker 2>in order to generate the wrong answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and like specifically because of how these like aisystems

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<v Speaker 1>have been politicized with like Elon Musk and stuff like.

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans view it as like a political imperative to use

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<v Speaker 1>them over the Democrat leaning like search engines, and people

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<v Speaker 1>aren't just turning to AI and loop search engine. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also using TikTok now using x as their own search

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<v Speaker 1>engine to get reliable information from users instead of actually

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<v Speaker 1>like verified information online which you can find with a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of searching. So all this is creating a

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<v Speaker 1>quite volatile scenario where misinformation is spreading at a faster

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<v Speaker 1>pace and it really ever has before now, just like

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<v Speaker 1>in the Springfield pet eating hoax. People on the right

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<v Speaker 1>are also spreading AI images as evidence of how the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden Harris government failed their disaster relief response after Hurricane Helene.

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<v Speaker 1>The most circulated image is of a crying little girl

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a life vest holding a wet puppy. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>she is sitting in a boat surrounded by floodwater. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is pure boomer.

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<v Speaker 2>Bait, right like, yeah, you will never regret liking this post.

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<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stone traced this AI image to a Trump web

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<v Speaker 1>forum called patriots dot Win Oh God, and like users

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<v Speaker 1>there quickly saw that it was ai, but that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stop its spread online. The image got on Twitter and

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<v Speaker 1>was spread around after being posted by Utah Senator Mike Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>who has a dark mega profile picture. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>quote from Rolling Stone. Quote. Laura Lumer called the image sad, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>tweeting from a post by Buzz Patterson, columnist for the

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<v Speaker 1>conservative blog Red State, who wrote of the picture, our

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<v Speaker 1>government has failed us again. Amy Kamier, RNC, national committeewoman

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<v Speaker 1>for the Georgia GOP and the co founder of Women

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump, tweeted on Thursday that the image has been

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<v Speaker 1>quote seared into my mind unquote. Informed that she was

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<v Speaker 1>not looking at an authentic photo. Kermer doubled down, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where this photo came from, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. There are people going through much worse

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<v Speaker 1>than what is shown in this pic. So I'm leaving

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<v Speaker 1>it up because it's emblematic of the trauma and the

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<v Speaker 1>pain people are living through right now. Unquote. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get like at this point, people know they're

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<v Speaker 1>spreading fake information, but they're doing it anyway because it

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<v Speaker 1>helps them, Like they are willing participants in the complete

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<v Speaker 1>removal of reality from their constituent's brains. A mega Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>account posted this AI photo with the girl in the

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<v Speaker 1>puppy and wrote, quote, Kamala doesn't have enough money for

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<v Speaker 1>this child. I can't hate this administration enough. Unquote Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. So do you know what I can't hate enough?

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<v Speaker 4>Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>No. Do you know what I love dearly with my

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<v Speaker 1>full my full life force?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it products and services?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the products and services that supportant this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to them. We will be right back afterwards. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we returned to conclude our Hurricane miss and fo rundown.

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<v Speaker 1>So why is this stuff catching on? Like, like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening that's causing this to be so much worse than usual?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Why is this spreading right now? To

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<v Speaker 1>answer that question, I'm first going to read a tweet

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<v Speaker 1>from Candice Taylor, a Georgia candidate for governor back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Quote, the weather can and is being manipulated.

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<v Speaker 1>Wake up. Stop being ignorant or plain stupid. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing as coincidence. The most important election in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of America is thirty days away. Pray Georgia voting

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<v Speaker 1>has been compromised, and I don't know if we will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get all of our early voting days in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now a hurricane is coming straight for Florida. These two

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<v Speaker 1>states are necessary for a Trump victory. No coincidence, So

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<v Speaker 1>of course this is all a conspiracy to send hurricanes

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<v Speaker 1>specifically at red states to compromise Trump's ability to win

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<v Speaker 1>the election. A woman at a Trump rally explained that

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<v Speaker 1>the government is using cloud seating to make the hurricanes worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and that this was pre planned because Amazon Alexas already

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<v Speaker 1>knew the information about the hurricanes ahead of time. Her

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<v Speaker 1>reasoning was that the hurricane damaged land could be seized

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<v Speaker 1>for lithium mining by Mala Harris's husband, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>weather was controlled to rig the election against Trump. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this little tidbit about Kablo's husband, that's a nice little

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<v Speaker 1>anti semitic jab in there. Of course, the Jews are

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<v Speaker 1>controlling the weather to do lithia mining. Why not. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to play a short clip from this interview,

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<v Speaker 1>not the whole thing, because it's way too long and

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<v Speaker 1>she rambles about cloud seating for longer than I want

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<v Speaker 1>to include, but I will include this one short clip.

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<v Speaker 9>You're implying that the government made a hurricane stronger to

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<v Speaker 9>hurt its own country, the United States of America. Correct,

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<v Speaker 9>And what would be the gain of that?

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<v Speaker 1>When if you if you like.

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<v Speaker 10>There's been people out there, if they have an alexa,

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know. If you've heard that and they've asked

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<v Speaker 10>what caused Milton right, you can go on there now.

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<v Speaker 10>It's already predicted the number of jas and the amount

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<v Speaker 10>of it's already predicted. It you on a Google, it

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<v Speaker 10>won't do that. If you ask it about Halleen, it'll

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<v Speaker 10>tell you the government actively used seed clouding. This is

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<v Speaker 10>before Helene even happened.

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<v Speaker 9>Why would a country want to have a hurricane be

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<v Speaker 9>strong and hit its own country.

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<v Speaker 10>Because they want to control certain places. And if you're

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<v Speaker 10>looking at where the hurricanes going, it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>red states. If you're looking at the counties in North

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<v Speaker 10>Carolina that were hit, there are all of them. Twenty

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<v Speaker 10>six out of twenty eight, eight of those counties were

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<v Speaker 10>for Trump. They're doing whatever they can because they can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Rig the elign even control the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, very compelling stuff coming out of the Trump rallies.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus Christ, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to quote from a Media Matters article on hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation and conspiracy theories. Quote. A video with over sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand views has on screen text that reads were

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<v Speaker 1>at the point of Revolution. It features a user speculating

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<v Speaker 1>for over six minutes that Hurricane Helene was somehow part

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<v Speaker 1>of a plan to suppress white Republican votes. Quote. You

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to speculate that this is something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the fact that these are largely white rule

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<v Speaker 1>Appalachian areas that have been affected. They're looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>like this, this election is three weeks from now. We've

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<v Speaker 1>just wiped out the complete and total infrastructure for all

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<v Speaker 1>these towns and cities. That's great because guess which way

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<v Speaker 1>these towns leaned. They leaned red. These were largely Republican

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<v Speaker 1>leading towns. As far as they're concerned, they could all

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<v Speaker 1>die and they don't care because that's just one less

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<v Speaker 1>vote for Trump. Unquote. Yes, Asheville, North Carolina famously famously

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican town, famously the conservative paradise of Asheville. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these conspiracies also link up to very

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<v Speaker 1>old like FEMA conspiracies. Right, There's been conspiracies about FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>since like the nineteen eighties, they've been heavily tied in

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<v Speaker 1>with the militia movement. The formation of the Oathkeepers was

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<v Speaker 1>in response to FEMA concentration camp conspiracy theories, basically that

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<v Speaker 1>they'll use natural disasters and FEMA to like round up

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<v Speaker 1>patriots to do some kind of new world order, or

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<v Speaker 1>that they're gonna use FEMA to seize your land, so

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<v Speaker 1>then you're gonna be put in a FEMA concentration camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Very old conspiracies. Now these have kind of fed into

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<v Speaker 1>the current conspiracy matrix regarding the hurricanes. I'm gonna quote

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<v Speaker 1>from this one guy on Twitter called the health Ranger.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not the health Ranger.

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<v Speaker 1>No, do you know do you know who the health

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<v Speaker 1>Ranger is?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The health Ranger is is a frequent Alex Jones guest. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like an anti vax guy. And he's a whole He's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole thing in in this whole conspiracy universe.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate him so much he does. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is what he says about the current hurricanes. Quote No,

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<v Speaker 1>in cunning intel all caps, FEMA is waiving ungodly amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of money at private security firms right now, begging for

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<v Speaker 1>security contractors to station at Florida to prevent Floridians from

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<v Speaker 1>returning to their homes and businesses after the storm hits.

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<v Speaker 1>The evacuation orders are to push people out of Florida

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<v Speaker 1>and keep them out. Reportedly, Delta Force personnel advising FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>at the top devising denial of area enforcement plans which

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<v Speaker 1>will be enforced at gunpoint if required. I'm told FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>is practically panicked to get enough armed personnel on site,

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<v Speaker 1>anticipating a tremendous amount of resistance from displaced people who

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<v Speaker 1>want to return home to salvage whatever they can. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the next step up the escalation ladder as the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government wages war against the American people, as we

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<v Speaker 1>saw FEMA carrying out in North Carolina, actively hindering rescue

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<v Speaker 1>efforts to maximize starvation and death to the people. Do

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<v Speaker 1>not escalate. Hold your ground peacefully and firmly. This looks

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like a J six style trap to provoke

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<v Speaker 1>an insurrection and declare martial law to cancel the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't play into their hands. Unquote. This unhinged diatribe got

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<v Speaker 1>over ten thousand likes and was spread wildly around Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days ago, the Institute for Strategic Dialogue posted

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<v Speaker 1>in an article documenting this current conspiracy ecosystem, and they

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<v Speaker 1>included one TikTok video that stated, quote to my North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina families, please, I know it's hard, but please do

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<v Speaker 1>not take that seven hundred and fifty dollars. It's alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't pay it back, they will seize

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<v Speaker 1>your property. In response to this, FEMA clearly stated that

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<v Speaker 1>FEMA cannot seize your property or land. Applying for disaster

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<v Speaker 1>assistance does not grant FEMA or the federal government authority

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<v Speaker 1>or ownership over your property or land. So now we

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<v Speaker 1>have these conspiracy theorists which are being boosted by Republican officials,

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<v Speaker 1>basically encouraging people to resist help from FEMA, to not

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<v Speaker 1>evacuate and like all of this puts themselves and others

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<v Speaker 1>in great danger. Right, you might say, well, if conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theorists don't want help from FEMA, like what's the harm?

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<v Speaker 1>Right these people have like kids, Like these these people

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<v Speaker 1>have families. It's not just them that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be affected. If they're refusing to evacuate their family from

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<v Speaker 1>the path of a hurricane and like their kids die,

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<v Speaker 1>that's super fucked up. If they're refusing like help from

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<v Speaker 1>FEMA to feed themselves in their family, that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good sign of the current state of this country. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's bad. Ron DeSantis's pres secretary had to come

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<v Speaker 1>out against the unhinged ramble from health ranger on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>She quote tweeted his post saying spreading lives like this

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<v Speaker 1>could have serious consequences. If people in evacuation zones see

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<v Speaker 1>this and decide not to evacuate despite warnings from state

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<v Speaker 1>and local emergency management, they are unnecessarily putting their own

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<v Speaker 1>lives and the lives the first responders at grave risk.

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<v Speaker 2>Unquote wow the wow, Well the fucking Rhondas sandus Is

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<v Speaker 2>press person. The leopards are finally eating your face if

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<v Speaker 2>you joined the lepredating face party.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could possibly have predicted this? The rawn decentis team

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<v Speaker 1>has been replaced by the lizard people. I swear.

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Like things got so bad that in DeSantis' like emergency declaration,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to specifically put in language that stated that

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement will help ensure that people can return to

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<v Speaker 1>their property after the evacuation has ended. Like goofy, goofy,

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<v Speaker 1>shit God and just like in general, all these FEMA

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracies are preventing people in need from requesting a badly

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<v Speaker 1>needed help from the agency. I'm going to include this

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<v Speaker 1>one clip from this guy who was interviewed on MSNBC

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how his family has been refusing help in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>My father in law lives just outside of Asheville, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was badly damaged by Hurricane Helene. And he

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<v Speaker 3>has refused all FEMA help because he's a hardcore Trumper

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<v Speaker 3>and he believes, he literally believes that he accepts anything

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<v Speaker 3>from FEMA, they're going to take his house. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand how so many people are under the spell of

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<v Speaker 3>this freaking con man. I don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, it's absolutely heartbreaking about your father in law. I'm

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<v Speaker 11>so sorry to hear it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's you know, and it's hard. It's hard, just it's

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<v Speaker 6>hard to even imagine it. I mean, he lost almost

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<v Speaker 6>everything and he's refusing all help from the federal government

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<v Speaker 6>and complaining to us that he doesn't have food, that

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<v Speaker 6>he doesn't have the stuff he needs, and yet he

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<v Speaker 6>won't accept the help. What the hell are we supposed

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<v Speaker 6>to do. We're not in a position to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to fly across the country and help him. There's people

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<v Speaker 6>begging us to get him to accept help, and he

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<v Speaker 6>won't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>And I guarantee you I'm not the only one. I

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<v Speaker 6>guarantee you I'm not the only one.

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<v Speaker 11>I wish there was something I could say as to

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<v Speaker 11>you know, I don't know, is there. Does he have

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<v Speaker 11>access to any electronics where you could send him some

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<v Speaker 11>information debunking this and that he might be We've.

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<v Speaker 6>Done all of that. We've done all of that. We've

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<v Speaker 6>sent him, We've sent him all the THEMA bulletins, we've

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<v Speaker 6>sent him all the stuff from the fact checkers. He

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't believe it. He thinks it's all. He just believes

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<v Speaker 6>Trump literally again, he just it's a cult. He's a

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<v Speaker 6>cult member. I'm sorry to say it. He's a he's

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<v Speaker 6>a cult member, and he's my father in law.

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<v Speaker 4>And it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty bad. That's devastating, and I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>very resonant to a lot of people right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>how this whole like conspiracy missymphi eqos system that's been

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<v Speaker 1>getting worse slowly over the course of the eight years,

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<v Speaker 1>has just like ruined families and puts people in like

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<v Speaker 1>constant active danger. Now, these conspiracies have also led to

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<v Speaker 1>threats against FEMA workers and meteorologists for both being a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the conspiracy and for controlling the weather. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read a quote from the Institute for

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<v Speaker 1>Strategic Dialogue. Quote. Falsehoods around hurricane response have spawned credible

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<v Speaker 1>threats and incitement to violence directed at the federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>This includes calls to send a militias to face down

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<v Speaker 1>FEMA for the perceived denial of aid, and that individuals

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<v Speaker 1>should quote unquote shoot FEMA officials and the agency's emergency responders.

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<v Speaker 1>Unverified claims, but attacks on FEMA representatives have been used

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<v Speaker 1>to glorify and encourage violence unquote. Media Matters archived a

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok video threatening FEMA employees which received over two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand views, saying, quote deer, FEDS and FEMA, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to deny people access to help in the affected area,

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<v Speaker 1>be advised we're still under the War on Terror Emergency Declaration.

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<v Speaker 1>If you violate your constitutional oath to protect and assist,

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<v Speaker 1>the charge will be treason. Punishment can mean being unalived

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<v Speaker 1>immediately by the citizens you are withholding aid from unquote

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok. They're threatening to un alive governmentations. Another mineo

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<v Speaker 1>states quote public notice we the United States of America

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<v Speaker 1>had declared FEMA personnel engaged in obstructing local rescue efforts

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<v Speaker 1>in the area impacted by Hurricane Helene to be enemies

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<v Speaker 1>of the state. A FEMA personnel offer any further obstruction

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<v Speaker 1>or failed to immediately assist to their best ability, they

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<v Speaker 1>can be arrested or shot or hung.

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<v Speaker 4>On site unquote Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, a lot of these conspiracy theories are also heavily

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic, talking about like the religion of local officials,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think, like the mayor of Asheville, and just

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<v Speaker 1>in general, combining these weather control conspiracy theories with FEMA

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories, saying that like the Jews are somehow controlling

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, and like that's just a recurring aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of these conspiracies that I feel like it is it

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<v Speaker 1>is worth mentioning, especially because like the right is like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to weaponize claims anti Semitism to attack the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>on Israel right now, which is absurd because the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are extremely pro Israil but still their constituents are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be spreading all these like very unhinged any Smitic

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories about Jews controlling weather and using FEMA to

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<v Speaker 1>hurt Christians in the Appalachians, all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's not just threats against FEMA officials. Death threats

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<v Speaker 1>have also been targeted against meteorologists, as Rolling Stone documented

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<v Speaker 1>in an article last week. Quote I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>for forty six years, and it's never been like this,

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<v Speaker 1>says Alabama meteorologist James span. He says he's been inundated

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<v Speaker 1>with misinformation and threatening messages like stop lying about the

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<v Speaker 1>government controlling the weather or else unquote.

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<v Speaker 4>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>A Washington, D C. Based meteorologist named Matthew Capussi said,

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<v Speaker 1>quote for me to post a hurricane forecast and for

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<v Speaker 1>people to accuse me of creating the hurricane by working

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<v Speaker 1>for some secret Illuminati entity is disappointing and distressing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's resulting in a decrease in public trust unquote. So

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<v Speaker 1>like again, like, why is this all had happening? A

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<v Speaker 1>part of it is because the election is upcoming and

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>people are trying to find reasons to think why Trump

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<v Speaker 1>might lose, and they're saying that the hurricanes are actually

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<v Speaker 1>a plot by the illuminati to make Trump lose the

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<v Speaker 1>election via having these storms controlled by Jews and Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>to target Republican areas. But like, what has changed in

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<v Speaker 1>the actual ecosystem to allow this to feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>so much worse than what it usually has been? And

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<v Speaker 1>I've kind of decided that everyone is now Alex Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>Like everyone has become their own little mini Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Platforms have changed in the past eight years to create

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<v Speaker 1>massive social and financial incentives to go viral, So now

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone is just doing what Alex Jones did, right, Like

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones learned that he could make a profit saying

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of crazy shit on air, and now other

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.479
<v Speaker 1>people have also learned this lesson. This is a part

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of I think, what's going on now? How does everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has the capacity to go viral by saying whatever crazy

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>shit they can during a moment of crisis. A few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago, there was a really good article in the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic by Charles Rozel titled I'm running out of ways

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how bad this is. This is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be linked in the sources below. I recommend you give

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<v Speaker 1>it a read, but I'm going to read a paragraphic

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<v Speaker 1>from it here. Quote. This is more than just a

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 1>misinformation crisis. To watch as real information is overwhelmed by

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<v Speaker 1>crank theories and public servants battle death threats is to

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<v Speaker 1>confront two alarming facts. First that a durable ecosystem exists

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<v Speaker 1>to ensconce citizens in an alternate reality, and second that

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<v Speaker 1>the people consuming and amplifying those lies are not helpless dupes,

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<v Speaker 1>but willing participants. This reality fracturing is the result of

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<v Speaker 1>an information ecosystem that is dominated by platforms that offer

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<v Speaker 1>financial and intentional incentives to lie and enrage, and to

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<v Speaker 1>turn every tragedy and every large event into a shameless

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>content creation opportunity. This collides with a swath of people

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<v Speaker 1>who would rather live in an alternate reality built on

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<v Speaker 1>distrust and grievance then change their fundamental beliefs about the world. Unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Mia, we've been talking about this misinformation problem

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat, and I know you had some comments

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to you wanted to share.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a Oh god, where did I first hear?

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<v Speaker 2>This might even a philosophy episode. There's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical stuff about how ignorance works and about how it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just like ignorance, isn't just the state of not

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<v Speaker 2>knowing something. You have to actively create it, right, You

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<v Speaker 2>have to you have to go out of your way

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<v Speaker 2>not to seek the information that would that would sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like you know, cause you to have to know,

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<v Speaker 2>or cause you to change your worldview, or cause you

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<v Speaker 2>to like have to confront what your beliefs are. So

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<v Speaker 2>people actively sort of construct this this reality around themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have to do anything that ever sort of

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<v Speaker 2>challenges their own views. And this is something that you

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<v Speaker 2>can see, I mean, you see it happening all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place. And this is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>where sale It's like gets right. That is important is

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<v Speaker 2>that like people are active participants in the construction of

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<v Speaker 2>their own universes. And now there's there's a financial incentive,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a social incentive, and there's also a cognitive incentive,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that like having to deal with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you might be wrong bustling fucking sucks, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>is hard, and sometimes you just don't want to know totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and this is something that like myself,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert and you have been talking about increasingly the past

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<v Speaker 1>few years. It feels like misinformation is an outdated model

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<v Speaker 1>to understand our current predicament, right, Like misinformation is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer meant to like actually change minds or persuade people.

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just a mechanism to construct and reinforce false realities,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the in the In the recent Meme of

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<v Speaker 1>Politics episode, I talked about how AI images of trans

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<v Speaker 1>athletes or of immigrants stealing pets like these aren't meant

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<v Speaker 1>to convince anyone of their authenticity, but they exist in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu of evidence to help people maintain their reality tunnel.

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<v Speaker 1>An information researcher at the University of Washington named Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Cawfield wrote an article earlier this year about how a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of Mega people started to deny the authenticity

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<v Speaker 1>of those videos of Kamala Harris's rally in that Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>hangar showing like a massive, massive, huge crowd with Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one or Air Force two landing and her getting off,

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<v Speaker 1>with these meg people saying that this was, like ais

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<v Speaker 1>is fake, There was no way the crowd would be

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<v Speaker 1>this big, and they invented a whole bunch of reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for why that this photo must be fake and this

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't fake. This was a real photo. This was

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<v Speaker 1>easily verified. There's like video evidence from multiple sources showing

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a real thing that happened. But Cowfield wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the primary use of misinformation is not to change the

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs of other people at all. Instead, the vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of misinformation is offered as a service for people to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain their beliefs in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I don't believe in giving these people a

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<v Speaker 1>degree of passivity, right like. This is an active choice

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<v Speaker 1>that they are doubling down and reinforcing and creating their

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<v Speaker 1>own reality tunnels to live in. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>other aspect of this, this is something that Robert was

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<v Speaker 1>talking with me last night, is like the people also

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<v Speaker 1>propagating this, the people creating the environments to make this happen,

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<v Speaker 1>are also willing participants, right like this, This is a

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<v Speaker 1>big reason why Musk bought Twitter, is so that it

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<v Speaker 1>purposely could turn into the current conspiracy like shit show

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<v Speaker 1>that it currently is. Facebook used to be where conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theorists gathered to post their weird boomer opinions, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's Twitter alongside just actual, useful, verifiable information, and now

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<v Speaker 1>because these two platforms have kind of combined, how we

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<v Speaker 1>have so much conspiracy content on Twitter. It also just

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<v Speaker 1>damages the use of Twitter as a platform to look

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<v Speaker 1>for real information. And I think you can see the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing with TikTok, with its very loose content moderation

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<v Speaker 1>policy regarding like factual information and the fact that people

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<v Speaker 1>use TikTok as its own search engine, creating its own

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystem of misinformation, fully isolated away from the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. And this project to like wear down collective

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<v Speaker 1>reality is a long term project by the right. You

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<v Speaker 1>could look at the John Birch Society and other anti

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<v Speaker 1>communist groups from the fifties who used to deliberately put

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<v Speaker 1>out fake articles about communists infiltrating Fox News, and a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of conservative mass media like talk Radio was

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<v Speaker 1>created at least in part as a reaction to Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>being forced of office, and a lot of the same

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<v Speaker 1>people funding right wing media are also pushing for charter

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<v Speaker 1>schools and attempts to destroy public education. Like it's all

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<v Speaker 1>an intentional effort to make people's media literacy go completely

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<v Speaker 1>down the toilet and propagate entire false versions of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>In service of a few rich people, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>our current situation is right now. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this way to stop it. As you heard in

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<v Speaker 1>that clip from MSNBC, like fact checks don't work anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not like the point of any of this.

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>It's not meant to actually persuade people. It's only meant

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<v Speaker 1>to reinforce what they already want to believe. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do in a world post fact checking? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, and we're gonna have to find out. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, do you do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>closing thoughts?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, one of the few things I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen that's gotten someone out of something like this is

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<v Speaker 2>just sometimes it doesn't always work like this, but every

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<v Speaker 2>once in a while, you could have an experience that

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<v Speaker 2>is so cognitively shattering to everything that you'd believed that

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<v Speaker 2>it just implodes.

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<v Speaker 1>So me, you're advocating to dose your Republican family members

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<v Speaker 1>with LSD? Is that what I'm hearing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, No, what I'm advocating is that the people who

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<v Speaker 2>think that China is a socialist state be sent to

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<v Speaker 2>China and have to interact with members of the Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>Communist Party, because I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Seen this work.

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<v Speaker 2>It does work, it can I've seen it happen. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't talk to these people for more than five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you know, a sort of more serious note,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is something that you know, you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to fight emotions on a sort of intellectual level, and

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<v Speaker 2>so like, if you want to deal with this, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to kind of be working on

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of like emotional actfective register. And that sucks

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<v Speaker 2>because it's you know, it's effectively the abandonments of politics

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<v Speaker 2>as politics. It's arguably just a complete retreat into fascism.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you take the sort of understanding

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<v Speaker 2>as one of the elements of it, as fascism is

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<v Speaker 2>reducing all politics to aesthetics.

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<v Speaker 9>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've hit this point where there's no centralizing viewpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>like central reality tunnel that most people are in. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's largely partially because of these people trying to destroy it,

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<v Speaker 2>and partially because the people who were running the mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>media blew themselves up by lying about I Rock and

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<v Speaker 2>then by spending thirty years insisting that like neoliberalism was

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest economic system ever and then two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eight happening, and so, like you know, we're in this

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<v Speaker 2>position where the people who had built the guardrails blew

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<v Speaker 2>it up in order to make money and push your

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<v Speaker 2>political jenas, and now a bunch of other people who

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<v Speaker 2>want to just destroy everything inside those rails are just

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<v Speaker 2>like detonating bombs inside of all of our like psychological concies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think the guy who was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>his stepdad in Asheville is correct. It is a cult,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to treat it like you would treat

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<v Speaker 1>a cult. You can't fact check them out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to treat them like your friend just joined scientology.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people might just choose to completely cut the person

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<v Speaker 1>off because they find it too dangerous, and that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think there should be others that remain as

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<v Speaker 1>a lifeline to the person. Right if they ever one

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<v Speaker 1>day realize, oh no, I'm in a cult and I

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<v Speaker 1>need help, there needs to be a way for them

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<v Speaker 1>to get out. Yeah, there needs to be a lifeline

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<v Speaker 1>for them to escape. And this is the only way

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that like quote unquote, cult deprogramming has worked. You can

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<v Speaker 1>point to like people who've gotten out of the QAnon

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory, like this is the only tactic that actually works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's reliant on the courtesy of others, right, It's reliant

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to put yourself in a degree of

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>danger by maintaining contact with this person that is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dangerous because they are in this like very volatile cult.

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<v Speaker 1>There needs to be some lifeline for them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's really the only way that I know of

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<v Speaker 1>right now that shows a degree of success in getting

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<v Speaker 1>people out of this like fucked up conspiracy matrix. And

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks, and it's not easy, and most people promoting

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<v Speaker 1>like cult deprogramming are hacks with pseudoscience. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out like this is just a very emotional problem and

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<v Speaker 1>it requires unfortunately emotional solutions that a simple Reuter's fact

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<v Speaker 1>check will not suffice. So anyway, that is my rundown

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<v Speaker 1>on what's currently going on with the hurricane misinformation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really bad. Yep, it could happen here.

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