1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, it's me Rosie O'Donnell. We are back for 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: episode two and I just want to thank you so much. 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: The outpouring of support, the amount of people who tuned in, 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: the people who commented, all just excellent. It really lifted 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: my soul and it made me so excited about this 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: journey we're on with this podcast. Onward, everybody, onward to 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: see what's next. I am so happy to present today's 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: conversation with you. It is one of my favorite people 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: on the planet, Rory Kennedy, who is an unbelievably wonderful filmmaker. 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: She does documentaries with her husband Mark Bailey, and they 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: are all worth watching. Her latest one, Volcano Rescue at Facare, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: is about a New Zealand lcanic explosion eruption that happened 13 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: while people were on the act of live volcano taking tours. 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: But the documentary is a beautiful weave of humanity, of patriotism, 15 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: of grace. It's full of grace everywhere you look. The 16 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: people who survived, the people who helped, the people who 17 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: went and rescued. When the rescue was called off, private 18 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: citizens got together and I don't want to ruin it. 19 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to like talk all over myself, which 20 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: I do. I know I do, and I'm very sorry, 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: but I'm overly enthusiastic. Sometimes I don't know people I'm 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: doing my best. But thank you for the support and 23 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the love, and I really hope that you enjoy this conversation. 24 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Rory Kennedy was born in nineteen sixty eight. She's the 25 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: eleventh and last child of Senator Robert Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy. 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: She was in utero when her father was tragically assassinated, 27 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: and she's got a lot of him in her. I 28 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: could tell you that for sure, she's got a lot 29 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: of him in her. And the voices are similar, and 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: the face is definitely the face of a Kennedy. And 31 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm an Irish Catholic girl born in nineteen sixty two. 32 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: The Kennedy's were huge in my family. I mean, my 33 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: mom had pictures of Kennedy in the house. The first 34 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: time I met Annie Kennedy member was about two weeks 35 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: after my show premiered, The Rosie o'donald Show in nineteen 36 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: ninety six, and I was finished with the show was 37 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: about eleven o'clock and my assistant Mary came in and said, 38 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy was just on the Today Show and he 39 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: and Ethel Kennedy want to come up and meet you 40 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: right now. They're in the elevator. My heart started pounding, 41 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: like no. I was like, wait a minute, Ted Kennedy, 42 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna meet Ted and Ethel Kennedy. I'm going to 43 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: and in they walked before I had time to compose myself, 44 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: and I sat down and I told him of my 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Irish heritage, and you know, I would have told him 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: if it was now about my twenty three and me 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: came back one Irish, just Irish, only Irish. You are Irish, Irish, 48 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Irish and if you are, boy, this family, my god. 49 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: We're all attached to them as a nation, and I 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: think Irish Americans hold them in such high regard, and 51 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: I definitely am one of those people. Rory is phenomenal 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: human being. I'm lucky to be her friend, and I'm 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: thrilled that she came and sat with me to talk 54 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: about this latest documentary she has made. Get ready because 55 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: here comes Rory Kennedy with her new documentary. Right after this, 56 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm here with Rory Kennedy and this is Rosie O'donald 57 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: Starr The Flintstones, and yeah I was. We're here to 58 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: talk about you, but mostly your amazing work in documentary film, 59 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: which I've loved and followed you like a rabid fan 60 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: since the Ghosts of Abu Grabe. What an amazing documentary 61 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: that is. Thank you, Rosie. And I have to say 62 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to you because you always had me 63 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: on your show and I make very As my brother 64 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Chris says, I make two kinds of films, depressing and 65 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: really depressing. Right, Well, you know that's what my kids 66 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: say to me, Oh mom, what are you watching? Oh great, 67 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: it's sad. I just wanted to say that you, more 68 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: than anybody else, always had me on your show and 69 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: you'd always bring me to whatever you were doing at 70 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: that time. So I'm grateful to you because to help 71 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: amplify these stories and get people to be aware of 72 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: themselves well like you. I'm a documentary freak, I know, 73 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: and I just thank years later. Yeah, like, yeah, it's 74 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: it's something that got me very young with I believe 75 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Grey Gardens was the first one that I was totally 76 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: riveted by and thought, how can this be real? One 77 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: of the all time best, all time best. Yeah, amazing 78 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: film and it holds up, yes, And I lived in 79 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Albert Maizelle's maid's apartment at the Dakota is a claim 80 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: to fame? Is it really? What? I was moving there 81 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: to do Broadway? And I went and met with him 82 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: and he interviewed me about what I wanted to do 83 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: and what I was going to do in my life, 84 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: and he was so sweet. And then I got to 85 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: know him and I would constantly pick his mind about it, 86 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, and he was up there now at the 87 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: and he was But what a beautiful, amazing man. And 88 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: that was a documentary where the filmmaker really imposed himself. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: Well they were part of the story in a big way. 90 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: And you know, he really forged veritee filmmaking. I was 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a huge fan of not only his work, but he 92 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: was just such a beautiful, decent human and just a 93 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: great cinematographer, a great filmmaker, just all around fantastic man. 94 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: How do you decide which documentaries to do? Because I 95 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: assume something like Abu Grabe, which at the time that 96 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: was the first real public consumption of the horrors that 97 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: we as a country did. Yeah, that was allowed to 98 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: sort of be on the TV. I remember I was 99 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: guest hosting on the View or something, Yes, and Sean 100 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: Hannity was on and he's like, we didn't torture anyone 101 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: in Abu Grabe. I'm like, why are we get it? 102 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: He's documentary? What's right? I want ye out? You know. 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: I had a huge fight with them, But how does 104 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: how there's so many stories, how do you decide which 105 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: one to do? And do you ever think I'm going 106 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: to get pushback on this? Well that one I did. 107 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: You know, we're your you and I. One of the 108 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: many things we have in common is our love for 109 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Sheila and Evans without a doubt. So I was working 110 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot with HBO at that time, and I was 111 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: looking at these images in the newspaper and the horrors 112 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: of these bodies and naked bodies piled up, and that 113 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: we had done this, and you know what, had had 114 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: this come to this world, this country? Like, how are 115 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: we in a position where this is something that we've endorsed. 116 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: So that was kind of an interesting film because I 117 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: really wanted to tell that story from the perspective of 118 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: the people who had committed those acts, including Lynda England. Yes, 119 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: and to understand their perspective of why they did it, 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: what those circumstances were, how they could make those choices, 121 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: and it's an, I think an interesting journey because I 122 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: think anybody starts out with so much judgment and how 123 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: could these people do this? Horrible people, And then as 124 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: you learn more and more you understand. You know, they 125 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: were mostly under twenty years old. They were thrown into 126 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: this prison with no training, They were not given any tools. 127 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: They were told you you were contributing to the war 128 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: on terror by preparing these people for us to do 129 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,359 Speaker 1: interrogations and do what you need to do. The policy 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: at Abu Grade was everybody was naked when they walked 131 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: in the door. They stripped them of their clothes and 132 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: then they were told keep them up all night and 133 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do. So in the morning 134 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: when our interrogation team comes in, they are vulnerable, and 135 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: so you know, there's no excusing the behavior. But as 136 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: you learn more and more, you understand how these people 137 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: made those choices and that ultimately it needs to trickle 138 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: up all the way to the tops, right to Rumsfeld 139 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: to Bush, to the people who authorize these choices, to 140 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: go down on the ground of course, none of those 141 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: people were ever held accountable ever at the tops. And 142 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: you know, the people who are in my film deservingly 143 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: spent time in prison, did what they needed to do, 144 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: they paid their price. But you know, why is it 145 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: the people on the front lines are the only ones 146 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: who are really held responsible And it's not for the 147 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: people who ordered the torture exactly. So I think those 148 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: that kind of messaging, and you know, I think what 149 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: we do and you do is it's about storytelling, and 150 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it's about bringing these characters and these people's lives into 151 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: the living rooms of you know, people who wouldn't be 152 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: exposed to them, and you end up hopefully understanding different 153 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: perspect active and having a greater sense of empathy and 154 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: compassion and a little bit more of an open heart maybe. 155 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: And look, it definitely opened my heart because I don't 156 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: think I ever told you this part, probably for fear 157 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: that I would scare you a little bit. I invited 158 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: Lindy England to my Miami house, Did I ever tell you? No? 159 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: So after your documentary and I was reading all about 160 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: her and how young she was and sexually abused by 161 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: that older guy who she thought she was in love with, 162 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: ended up getting pregnant with and she already had a 163 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: kid or maybe that was his kid, I'm not really sure. 164 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: When she came to visit me, she had a four 165 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: or five year old boy, right, and she was so broken. 166 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: There were so many other things that she needed help 167 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: with in her life that I can't imagine that fragile 168 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: a person being in charge and bullied and led and 169 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: told to do things that would ruin her life and 170 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: world like hold the League of the Man with the Collar. Yeah, right, 171 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know what I think. My heart open 172 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: to her and I wanted to help her, but of 173 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: course then what happens is how do you help her? Yeah, 174 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: how do you help her? You can't really And she 175 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: stayed with me for a few days, and uh, and 176 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: then I didn't hear from her afterwards. I tried to 177 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: keep in touch, but yeah, yeah, it's do you ever 178 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: do that? You get like Colors one or two, some 179 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: broken people in the world, and oh my god, you 180 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: know it's it is hard, and you know, I think 181 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: to realize you can't fix everything, but at the same time, 182 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: you can contribute to trying to make the world a 183 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: better place, and the choices that we make and the 184 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: work that we do, and and just the compassion that 185 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: we have and m and having a bit of an 186 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: open heart. Yes, all sorts of people. Well, it's also means, 187 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: you know, Trump supporting people like we have to understand 188 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: different perspectives, even for people who politically are at the 189 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: different end of the spectrum than I think. You know, 190 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: you and I are quite a ligne in these wishs, 191 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: but like those people are that are probably more challenging 192 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: to you and me than a lot of others. Yes, 193 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: it's so true. I don't you know, I don't understand 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: willful blindness, you know, for them to be saying at 195 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: this point or any point that it was not an insurrection, 196 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: it was a happy day of sightseeing. Right. It's like, 197 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, don't believe what your eyes saw, believe what 198 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson tells you. Yeah, but if you are listening 199 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: to Tucker Carlson and he's telling you things and you 200 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: trust him, then of course they're going to have that perspective. 201 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: And so how do we sort of change their source 202 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: of information and telecommunications act and have you know, news 203 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: sources that are more fair and balanced than they used 204 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: to be, Like we have to change kind of the 205 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: structure of the stru the system. Yeah, because if you're 206 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: being fed that information, you know, I'm reading scientists and 207 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: learning about what's happening with the climate. They're my source 208 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: of information. But if they were all wrong somehow, and 209 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I still believe that we're you know, is that my fault? Right? Right? 210 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think we just have to try 211 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: to meet people where they are and then work with 212 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: each other to evolve. Well, then, the latest documentary I 213 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: was so moved by, and it's called The Volcano the 214 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: Rescue at but it's spelled wh a, so it's confusing. 215 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: The wh turns into an F sound. Who knew that? 216 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: In New Zealand? Yeah? Yeah, I have a question about 217 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: why no one knew this happen. I know nothing about this, 218 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah until I saw your documentary. How's that possible in 219 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: our current news media bombardment? Yeah, well it was. It 220 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: was in December of twenty nineteen when this rupt happen. 221 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: But was it big news? Was it world news? Was it? Well? 222 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I think that there was a lot going on at 223 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: that time. I think there was a lot going on 224 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: with Trump in this country and the congressional hearings. I 225 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: think there was a lot going on with COVID and 226 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: a number of other kind of major international events that 227 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: were drawing our attention, and so while it was international news, 228 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I think it didn't. I mean the vast majority of 229 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: people who I spoke to when I was making the film, 230 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: we're not aware of it. I would say, one and 231 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe twenty knew about it. Did you know about it 232 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen? I didn't know about it? How did 233 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: you come to find out about it? So I've been 234 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: working with Imagine, Ron Roward and Brian Grazier's company making 235 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: documentaries in partnership with them, and I was approached by 236 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: both Imagine and Appian Way. Leonardo DiCaprio's company. Leah's company 237 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: had the rights to this story that had been written 238 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: find an author named Alex Perry in Outside magazine about 239 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: what happened in Pagari on this day in twenty nineteen, 240 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and it was he spent a good amount of time 241 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: there on the ground and it was a fascinating story. 242 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: And they asked me if I would be interested in 243 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: turning it into a documentary, and pretty immediately my partner 244 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: Mark and I felt like this was something that really 245 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: lent itself to a film, in part because nobody knew 246 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: about it and it felt like a story that was 247 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: deserving to be told. I was really I mean, just 248 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: so audiences understand. Basically, the story is that this was 249 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: a volcanic eruption that happened about forty five kilometers off 250 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: of the coast of New Zealand, the eastern coast of 251 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: the North Island of New Zealand. So it was in 252 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: a very remote location, and there were forty seven people 253 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: on the island, mostly tourists and gods like tours from 254 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: cruise ships and stuff right at the time of the eruption, 255 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: and so it was it was so far away that 256 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: for rescue teams to get there, either by helicopter or boat, 257 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: would take at least an hour. So what ended up 258 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: happening is that the people on the island had to 259 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: really lean into each other to survive. And that's part 260 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: of what this article described as how that these folks 261 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of looked towards one another to get through this 262 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: very traumatic experience. But that's the point where your knees 263 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: get weak when you watch it. Yeah, yeah, there's a 264 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: point where the one guy says, well, when they said 265 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: they called off the search. You know, we knew what 266 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: we had to do. We did it. You know, I 267 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: was like wow, you know, and everyone followed the kind 268 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: of swell of humanity that was coming to help them. 269 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: It was so so real. Yeah, well, I mean, I 270 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: think one of the ways we told the story is 271 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: it's very much told in real time as the events happen, 272 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: and we only tell it from the perspective of people 273 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: who were there, who were on the ground, so there's 274 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: no outside voice and you're really in the moment. And then, 275 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: of course, since it's twenty nineteen and it's tourists on 276 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: an island, everybody has their iPhones, so it's very well 277 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: documented and there's footage in our film that's never been 278 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: seen before coming off of people's hard drives and iPhone camera. 279 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: So we spent a lot of time reaching out to individuals. 280 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's not something that's covered on traditional news 281 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: footage archive because there was no news footage out there, 282 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of iPhone footage, and so most 283 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: of the footage that you're seeing in the film is 284 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: iPhone footage that happened. You know, that's documenting the minute 285 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: by minute account of what happened, and it's all covered 286 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: by this footage, and you know there the footage is 287 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: for k I mean, there's beautiful, yeah, right, So I 288 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: think that you feel like you're there in part and 289 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: because of the way we told the story and because 290 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to have this footage, so you're 291 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: really you know, not only like leading up to the 292 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: moment where they go to the island. They arrive at 293 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: the island, they go to the Creator's Edge and then 294 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: the thing erupts and it's documented and the aftermath is documented. 295 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: And you know, there's one moment that I think is 296 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: probably the most powerful in the film where there's footage 297 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: that we have that of an iPhone and right in 298 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: the moment of eruption and the person puts it in 299 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: their pocket and so the screen goes black, but you 300 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: hear the audio and it's you know, it's I mean 301 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: it's black screen for forty seconds or something, but it's 302 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: it's very powerful because you're I think, hearing the audio 303 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: and you're really feeling what people are going through even 304 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: though it's there's nothing on screen. There's nothing on screen. 305 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: So powerful though, when they were talking about how did 306 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: we get burned? Through our clothes, right like that, Like 307 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: when you think of fire when you I mean, you 308 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: never think of volcanic eruption. You know, so whenever you 309 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: see somebody who suffered severe burns or you always think 310 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: it's through a flame, but this was through the steam. Well, 311 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think most of us when we think 312 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: of volcanos, we think about the lava and that kind 313 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: of but this is a strat of volcano. So really 314 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: the eruption consists it's it's very violent, and it's very quick, 315 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: and it consists of steam and then debris. So it's 316 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: rocks and it's earth being shot out, you know, very 317 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: violent speeds. Um. There's a shot of a helicopter that 318 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: was on a helicopter stand that was turned over on 319 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: its side because of the power of these rocks and 320 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: the force. Um. But I think, you know, going back 321 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: to your point of people being burned under their clothes 322 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: but nothing showing on their clothes is because it's steam. 323 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: It's very very very hot, unimaginably a hot steam, and 324 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: so it, um, you know, it gets right under there. 325 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, one of one of the most remarkable people 326 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: in the film are many many remarkable people, but um, 327 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: it was Jesse who was right at the crater's edge, 328 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: and very few people survived the Yes, with his grandfather. Yes, 329 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: well he's with his grandfather now in the film, but 330 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: he was with his mom and with his mom and 331 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: dad and his sister. Yeah, none of whom survived tragically, 332 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: so horrible and to he it's to see him talking 333 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the film and then showing the 334 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: video of them like happily going on this excursion, you know, 335 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 1: it breaks your heart even more. Yeah, but you know 336 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: he had he had seventy three percent of his body 337 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: was burned. And they say that there's a direct correlation 338 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: between how much you're burned and how likely you are 339 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: to survive. So if you're you know, thirty percent burned, 340 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: you have a seventy percent chance of survival. Oh ok, 341 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: so if you're seventy percent burned, you have a thirty 342 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: percent chance of survival. So he was, he was seventy 343 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: three percent burned. So you know his that and they 344 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: said he would be in the hospital for well over 345 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: a year and he got out after two months. Yeah, 346 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: it was America, and you know he's he's I mean 347 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: I got to see him. We premiered the film back 348 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: in the town of Fakatani when the film came out 349 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: last year in December, and I sat with him, and 350 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, he is he's looking for his next adventure, 351 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's definitely he's not going to 352 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: put himself in overly risky situations, but he continues to 353 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: lean into life and want to make the most of it. 354 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: And now, from your knowledge of so many ducks that 355 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: you've done and speaking to all these kind of survivor 356 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: incredible resilient people, that is that a kind of a 357 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: result of being burned that you in other words, it's 358 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: a result of almost losing your life. Or that was 359 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: always him? He was him, He was always an adventurer. Yeah. 360 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: I think he also just more importantly has some some 361 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: reserves in him of resilience. And you know, I don't. 362 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows how this guy, you know, let alone, 363 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: wakes up every morning and puts one step in front 364 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: of the next, but beyond that is really wanting to 365 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: make the most of his life and is out there seeking, 366 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, just having the best life possible. Is there 367 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: any compensation for these people? Did they get to sue 368 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: the cruise line or the Little excursion people. I mean, 369 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: not that the excursion people would have any money from yere. Yeah, 370 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: it's complicated. As it turns out, there's been some compensation, 371 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: but a lot of these cruise lines, even though they 372 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: appear to be American companies, their accounts are offshore in 373 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: different countries where it is much harder to sue, right, 374 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: And you know they also when you get on the cruise, 375 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: all that paperwork you sign says we're not going to sue. Yeah, 376 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: and you know that you're taking on a certain amount 377 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: of risk and you're aware of it phone and so forth. 378 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: So it limits the ability and in some cases it's 379 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: been hard to even get the insurance you know that 380 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: they deserve. But um, so and and different countries because 381 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: it's really represents the story people from all over the world. 382 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: There were Americans there, South South Africans, um Australians and 383 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: people from New Zealand as well, so and Europe, you know, 384 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: so it sort of is impacted by where you come 385 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: from and what the insurance is. And and then New 386 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: Zealand has its own complicated insurance policies, right. Um Also 387 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a country where it kind of 388 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: lends itself to adventure tourism, but you're quite limited in 389 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: terms of if something goes wrong if you don't live 390 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, because you could you could tell by 391 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: the people of New Zealand who went to rescue any 392 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: survivors that would be there. They didn't think about that. 393 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: I can imagine if this happened like in America, people going, well, 394 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to get sued if I, you know, go 395 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: in like it was. It's like everyone's humanity came first, 396 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, saving the lives was the most important thing, 397 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: even at the risk of your own and that was 398 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: true heroic patriot. Yeah. In a way, it feels like 399 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: I've never been there or to Australia, but it feels 400 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: like a country of kind of simpler way of life, 401 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: a more true and more nature infused way of life. Yeah, 402 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: like not a litigious society. And I think the real 403 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: heroes of this film are those helicopter pilots, you know, 404 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: Mark and Tim and John, who all took it upon 405 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: themselves as you say they You know, the thing about 406 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: this island, when you're in the mainland, in the town 407 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: closes Sakatani, you see it like it's out there it's 408 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's in sight. I mean it's forty five kilometers, 409 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: but you can see it and it's sort of always 410 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: there looking at you and you're looking out it in 411 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: and so you that, you know, people could it was 412 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: beautiful day. People saw it when it erupt him, right, 413 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: and so they saw it and they just they were 414 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: they had helicopters and there and Mark Laws like, I'm 415 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: getting on my helicopter, I'm going out there. I appreciate 416 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: if there's somebody who's been a fixed wing who can communicate, 417 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: because there's no communication on the island. So to communicate 418 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: to the other authorities, you have to have a plane 419 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: circling above. Oh wow, So then that's a fixed wing 420 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: as an airplane. So because I got it, yeah, I 421 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: did that myself. Thank you. I just did a visual 422 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: flying wings with good good. I know you think visually, Rosie. 423 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to help you out anyway. So that's 424 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: circling above, right, And then Mark, who was on the 425 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: helicopter with Tim who was on another helicopter on the ground, 426 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: could communicate to John who's circling, and then John can 427 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: communicate to the authorities. So they had, you know, and 428 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't. I mean, you know, Mark, Mark, it's such 429 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: a New Zealand thing in my mind. But Mark was like, 430 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I didn't ask anybody to come. I just told everybody 431 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: I was going right, and if they chose to come, 432 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: they could choose to come, But I wasn't going to 433 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: ask anybody to go out there, right. How great people 434 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: did show up, yes, So then these three guys kind 435 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: of show up, and the more actually ultimately help. But 436 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, when they go to this island, and meanwhile 437 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: we find out that the authorities who are frankly in 438 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: a better position because they have the helicopters and the 439 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: medical professionals who can really help people on the ground. 440 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: Once you know, Mark Law is now on the island, 441 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: the thing's still erupting, you know, and it's still like 442 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: it's like not a conducive environment to be navigating, or 443 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: you can't really see, and there's so much steam and 444 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: it's really hot you can't really breathe, and you know, 445 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: it's a tough environment. And then he finds out and 446 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: he's sort of finding people and more people and more people, 447 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: and he's kind of getting them comfortable enough for the 448 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: authorities to come. And then they get the word that 449 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: the authorities have decided it's too dangerous and they're not 450 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: going to send Can you believe that? That's hard to believe. 451 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: It reminds me of your other documentary, The Last Days 452 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: of Vietnam Vietnam, Yes, it was. There was a similar 453 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: storytelling in both that there was Richard Armitage who said, 454 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: I will not leave these people in the water, and 455 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: he took all of these people who are trying to 456 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: escape onto his navy ship. That was a phenomenal dock 457 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: that you did. Thank you. I love a little your documentary. 458 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: I do. I do so this one since I watched it, 459 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: I've watched it a couple of times because I knew 460 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: I was going to talk to you, and I also 461 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: I have been interested in following people who say they 462 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: were there now, and I was like, well, why wasn't 463 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: that person in the dock? You went to people who 464 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: weren't interested, or you didn't feel there was enough time 465 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: for each story, or um. It was a combination. Again. 466 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't want to pressure anybody who didn't 467 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: want to tell their story to tell their stories. So 468 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: it was it was sort of a Mark Law approach, 469 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: like we're doing this, We would love to talk to 470 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: you if if you want to be included, but it's 471 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily you know, traumatic events that they've gone through, 472 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: and so I don't want to add to that, you know, 473 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: And I think for some people it can be I 474 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: don't want to say therapeutic, but I think that it 475 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: can be helpful or to tell their story to feel 476 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: like they're being heard. And then I do think, I mean, 477 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to project on to everybody what their 478 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: own experiences, but I do think that largely having talked 479 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: to many of the folks who were on the island 480 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: and went through this and shared their story with us, 481 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: that the response to the film and the fact that 482 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: so many people I have seen the film and that 483 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: it was you know it was it was number one 484 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: film on Netflix, World World, why not just documentary like 485 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: film during Christmas week? Right, like what right? That's when 486 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: I saw it. Yeah, it's like crazy, unexpected, and I 487 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: just and I think they there was so much love 488 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: for them and so much admiration sad hours express as 489 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: social media when nuts and everybody was you know, so 490 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: I think to be heard, to know that your story, 491 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: like people understand your story on some level not so 492 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: it's you know, I think it's been positive. And then 493 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of them, many of them 494 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: also say, like it's nice that if somebody asked me 495 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: about my story, I can say, go watch the film, right, Like, 496 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: they don't have to actually tell their story to everybody, 497 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: and they don't have to be rude about it. They 498 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: can just say, go watch the film and then you 499 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: can see the story and I don't have to tell 500 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: you every single person because it's and I do you know, 501 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: I am very aware that even the telling of the 502 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: story can be triggering and can go either way. It 503 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: can be positive or negative. And so we also, you know, 504 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: with the supportive Netflix provided therapeutic support for folks are 505 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: telling their story or in the aftermath. So um, anyway, 506 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, we tried to to be conscious of really 507 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: appreciating just what it takes to go back and and 508 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: and you know too for these interviews to really translate 509 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: like you're you know, when you're talking to somebody, if 510 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: they're just saying words versus like in the experience of 511 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: what they're going through. And all of these people were 512 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: like so in the you know, like I'm crying talking 513 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: to them. You know, it's so powerful. I mean, really, 514 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: with all these films that I've made, the interviews that 515 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: I did for the Volcano were really among the most 516 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: poignant and powerful and like impactful to me and to 517 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: me I was watching it and I was so emotionally 518 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: connected to the whole thing. And I remember when we 519 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: had dinner, you said, sometimes when you do a documentary, 520 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: you have to worry that is the pain worth the 521 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: resolve or the result? The result? Right is it will 522 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: you sit through this documentary or would it be too painful? 523 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: And I felt like it was the opposite. It was 524 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: almost like the joy was as abundant as the grief 525 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: and the pain. That's nice of you to say it, 526 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: but it was a balance. But that's my experience too. 527 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: I Mean I I felt both, and every single interview 528 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I did, I was like crying and grieving and then 529 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: just celebratory and joyful and so humbled and overwhelmed by 530 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: just the ability to kind of endure through this stuff 531 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: and to keep going, you know, to choose to choose 532 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: in you know, being in this remote island. I mean, 533 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: there's also the story that the beautiful American couple who 534 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: are there on their honeymoon, you know, and they're there. 535 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: They have this very sweet moment where I'm interviewing them 536 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know, their their bodies are covered with burns 537 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to them, and at the end of 538 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: the interview, Lauren, the wife, says, you know, she she says, 539 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: when we were when we were in the moment of 540 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: the eruption, we fell on each other, and I remember 541 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: just feeling like I want I'm going to die here, 542 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and I want to die in Matt's arms, and and 543 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: they were holding each other, and the place where they're 544 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: holding each other on their arms is the only place 545 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: that's not burned on their arms, and it's the only 546 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: place where they have full movement because they were holding 547 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: each other and protecting each other, like it's so beautiful 548 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: and sweet. And then you know, and she says, this 549 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: is the worst experience of my life, but I'm so 550 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: much closer to my husband and I love him so 551 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: much and we're just going to be together forever. And 552 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: then Matt has this sweet little smile, you know, like 553 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: She's right, we do and there and it like every 554 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: time I watch it, it like makes me tear Yeah, 555 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: it makes me tear up too. The thing that I 556 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: loved about their relationship was how she was not into it, 557 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: not the relationship, the excursion. She was like, oh, honey, 558 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: we have to go. What if it erupts? He says, 559 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: He's not gonna erupt? You kidding me this, you know. 560 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: And he was very much an adventurer and she was 561 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: very much not. I think one of the lines he 562 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: said was, you know, complaining about things was pretty typical. 563 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: You know. So she's like an erotic wife, you know, 564 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: saying you know, I don't want to do this, and 565 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: then the worst of the worst happens and they still 566 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: get through it. Yeah. Well, she's relatable in that way, 567 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people who are like, 568 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, she's like, I like to go on a 569 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: beach and neat a book. Well, that's exactly me, exactly. 570 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to go on anything adventurous. Yeah, that 571 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: could possibly hurt me. Yeah. Well anyway, So so I 572 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: think these things are also you know, you identify and 573 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: you identify, well, you know, you're in New Zealand and 574 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: there's like a cool volcano to go, say what I 575 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: sign up for that? Sure? Yeah, maybe, you know, not me, 576 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: No way I would be in the hotel going. I 577 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: wonder if I could watch wind Loser draw today. You know, 578 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: I don't know now what are you working on next? 579 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: Because this is what I love about documentary filmmakers. They 580 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: have five or ten or fifteen ideas. But is there 581 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: anything coming up? But I'm I'm doing a film right 582 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: now for HBO about Synanon, which is which I do 583 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: not know about. Yeah, a lot of people don't. Most 584 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: people don't, but it's it's a fascinating story about It 585 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: was the first drug treatment program that was started in 586 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: the United States in nineteen fifty eight. But a guy 587 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: named Chuck D. Trick, he was in AA, and he 588 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: went to AA meetings and he didn't like the fact 589 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: that people just told their stories and you couldn't call 590 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: them out on their bologny got it. He had allegedly 591 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: witnessed somebody at an AA meeting who had talked about 592 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: being in you know, an AA for three years, and 593 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: he had just seen the guy walk out of a 594 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: liquor store like two weeks before, and so he wanted 595 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: to call him out but couldn't. Anyway, so he started 596 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: these AA meetings in his house and it was a 597 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: free for all. Well and then people would call each 598 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: other out, and people loved it. And then for the 599 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: first time, as a drug addict, you couldn't go to AA. 600 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: But drug addicts started coming to his meetings and he 601 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: would allow them, and then they said can we stay here? 602 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: And he was like, well sure we can. Just you know, 603 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: when he got a storefront, put some couches in, they 604 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: would crash out on the couches, and then they would 605 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: stay longer and longer, and there were more and more 606 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: of them, and ultimately expanded Got the brought the del 607 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: Mar Hotel and expanded up into northern California and then 608 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of turned into a lifestyle community. Did they follow 609 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: the twelve steps or whether it just a whole new 610 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: take on sobriety. It was really the beginning of the 611 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: therapeutic community. This was the first therapeutic community, and then 612 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of therapeutic communities like Phoenix House and others 613 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: spawned out of people who went to Cinnanon. Got It, 614 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: so all of those basically you can connect back to Cinnanon. 615 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: And did it eventually become a cult? Yes? And are 616 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: you deep in it or you just deep in it? Yeah? 617 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm deep in it. Okaye one question about your Volcano doc. 618 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: You have Hans zimmer to the score to the Volcano movie. 619 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 1: How did that come about. It's a very funny story 620 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: because we got into some situation, um where Netflix wanted 621 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: the film delivered a few months earlier than our original schedule, 622 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: which isn't a note that you necessarily want. Thank you, 623 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: no thanks, But in any case, um, we were accommodating, 624 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: and but our composer wasn't able to adjust to the 625 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: new schedule, so we had to get a new composer. 626 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: And so you just picked like the biggest oscar winner 627 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: in the world, if they go. So I had played 628 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: tennis the morning before with his ex wife, who's lovely, okay, 629 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, i don't know what their relationship is, 630 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: but I'm going to call her and see if she 631 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: still has his cell phone number, which I did and 632 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: she did, and they feel a lovely relationship. And so 633 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: I called him like cold called, Oh my god, I 634 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: mean really now, it was audacious, but he was so lovely, 635 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: and I said, of course, I'm not asking you to 636 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: be involved. I just thought maybe you would know somebody 637 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: or because you I'm I'm in this bind and you know, 638 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: you're really the greatest thing ever. So um he said, uh, 639 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm performing for the Queen tonight and I've 640 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: got this film. And I was like, okay, if you're 641 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: too big, he's just send it to me and I'll 642 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: look at it. So I send it to him. He 643 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: calls me the next morning. Wow, I love and he says, 644 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: my god, this is so great. That's what I thought 645 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: about the film too. It's so great. I'm in and 646 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: and well you shocked, yes, yes, yes, And and we 647 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: worked with a composer who was brilliant, Steve Mazzarro, who 648 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: works with him and with Hans. Hans was on every 649 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: call and would give these notes and you know, and 650 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: he's so interesting because he really approaches the score like 651 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: a film, right. He's like, Okay, this is what this 652 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: score needs to do, and this is what it says, 653 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: and this is you know, it's like a narrative. The 654 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: beginning's got to be this, and the middle's gotta be this. 655 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: The ending's got to land like this, and we you know, 656 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: and you know, he's just delivered. And there's so many 657 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: like the mantra with documentaries is like, Okay, the music 658 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: needs to not interfere and be in the background and 659 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to be aware of it. And he's 660 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: like ba boom right right exactly, I am here and 661 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: I have something to say and I'm gonna say it. 662 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: And it's awesome. Yeah, it really is. And it really 663 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: lifts it to a whole other level. I mean that 664 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: without it, it wouldn't have done what it did, but 665 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: what it's still doing. Yeah, but you know, music plays 666 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge role. So I'm eternally grateful to him. 667 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: And he's you know, he's just lovely and a super decent, 668 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: committed guy. And well, Hans Zimmer, thank you very much 669 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: for putting your stamp on that. Now tell me about 670 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: this Climate Emergency Fund. What is going on with this 671 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: because from all knowledgeable scientists, it's already too late. Yeah, well, 672 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: thank you for asking, because I'm very proud of our 673 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: Climate Emergency Fund. First of all, I would say it's 674 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: not too late, and most scientists don't think it's quite 675 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: too late. But we're very very close. We have another 676 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: like four or five years and then it becomes too late. 677 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: So we still have time, but we've got to focus 678 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: on it. So I started the Climate Emergency Fund about Well, 679 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: it was right up to the Wolsey Fire in twenty nineteen, 680 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: which I lived through here in California and had to 681 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, flee my house with my husband and my 682 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: kids and our three dogs and two goats and towardoise 683 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: all like anyway, So that was its own experience. And 684 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: then I had also finished the film about NASA, who's 685 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: done all of the really most of the research on 686 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,280 Speaker 1: climate and those scientists all said, please make this film 687 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: focused on climate change, because we are on a train 688 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: wreck and it's not a question of if, it's a 689 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: question of when. And then at the same time, the 690 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: IPCC report came out, the International Group of Scientists saying 691 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: we have ten years to figure this out and otherwise 692 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be too late. So I felt like 693 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: there was, you know, such an urgency and a lot 694 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 1: of the traditional environmental groups were or staying on their 695 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: same path, and that we needed to sound the alarm, 696 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: yes in a big way, and so how are we 697 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: going to do this? And my own you know feeling 698 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: about kind of looking back at history when you saw 699 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: significant change happen in this country, and beyond that, nothing 700 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: ever happened with how people getting into the streets and 701 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: causing disruption. And so the idea of the Climate Emergency 702 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: Fund is for the first time really to finance activism, 703 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: to support disruption, non violent disruption. And so that's what 704 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: we do, and we support climate activists all over the world. 705 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: When I came up with this idea with my friend 706 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: Trevor Nielsen, we went out to funders and most of 707 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: them either hung up or you know, dissuaded me from 708 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: doing this, and none of them gave me money until like, 709 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: we called Eileen Getty and we told her about the 710 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: idea and at the end of the call she said, 711 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you five hundred thousand dollars. I enjoy that woman. Yeah, 712 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: she's fantastic. And then she's since joined our board and 713 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: continues to write checks and write articles and be at 714 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: the forefront and very brave and courageous on this issue. 715 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: We recently were supported by Adam McKay, director of Yes, 716 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: Don't Look Up, which was the greatest film, which was 717 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: such a great film, and he said he is giving 718 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: us four million dollars. Oh my god, doesn't that just 719 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: He joined our board And so it's and it's a 720 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: very small board. There's there's maybe five of us on 721 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: the board, and we are out there supporting these activists 722 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: who are causing disruption both in this country, in England, 723 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: in Africa and Australia and New Zealand, just to get 724 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: the attention out there. Yeah, and they're you know, they're fantastic. 725 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: And you know there are a lot of the activists 726 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: like who we're targeting center a mansion and duct taping 727 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: themselves to his door, bringing attention to his own oil 728 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: fields and whatnot. You know, we support all of those acts. Anyway, 729 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: It's it's an exciting initiative. And where how can people 730 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: get involved? People who are listening? I mean, really, what 731 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: we're doing is we raise money and then we give 732 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: it to the activists. So if in my opinion, right now, 733 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: you should either be getting arrested or supporting people who 734 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: are getting arrested, so you can look at the Climate 735 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: Emergency Fund website to find opportunities to do so. And 736 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: if you don't want to get arrested, or if you 737 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: do want to get arrested and have fifteen dollars in 738 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: your pocket or five million dollars in your pocket, I 739 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: think it's worth supporting these activists because I agree listen. 740 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: It's a joy to know you. It's a joy to 741 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: know you. All right, Rory ken It's Rory Kennedy. And 742 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: watch her doc on Netflix. Would you don't go anywhere? 743 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: We're not done yet, Okay, so now we have questions 744 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: from viewers like you. Take a listen. Hi there, Rosie. 745 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: My name is Andrew. I am a writer and comedian 746 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: in la I am so thrilled that the world has 747 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: been waiting with bated breath for you to enter the 748 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: podcast market. I really do consider you one of the 749 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: greatest interviewers and broadcasters the world has ever known, So 750 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: this is very exciting. My question would be that, and so, 751 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: first of all, thank you so much for this trickle 752 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: of clips from the Rosy Show that you've been releasing 753 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: online on your YouTube channel. It has been an amazing 754 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: It has been an amazing surprise on my new feed 755 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: whenever I do go on and I'm wondering the streisand 756 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: interview an episode notwithstanding, because I know you'd say that, 757 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: what has been the interview that you have revisited after 758 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: all this time that has really surprised you in some way? 759 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: And what was the most difficult one in all of 760 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: that hindsight anyway, So thrilled you're back again. Thank you 761 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: so much for all you do. You're a warrior and 762 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,439 Speaker 1: keep doing it. Thank you, Thank you so much, first 763 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: of all for your kindness. It's very, very sweet, and 764 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate it for real. I think that Joni Mitchell 765 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: was probably the best interview for me emotionally. Yeah, you know, 766 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: I grew up with her lyrics sort of defining my 767 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: emotional truths, and I think she's the best living lyricist, 768 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: poet artist. She really moves me like no one else. 769 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: And it's been one of the greatest joys of my 770 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,839 Speaker 1: life to get to be her friend, or to know her, 771 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: to have interviewed her, to be in her orbit. As 772 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: I say, she's an amazing woman. And you know, there 773 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 1: were people that I invited on the show that maybe 774 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers was like, I don't want to have her. 775 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: Why would anybody? You know? Like Rosemary Clooney, that's another 776 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: one I think of. I loved every time Rosemary Clooney 777 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: was on my show. What an amazing woman. And I 778 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: grew up listening to her music, and you know, it's 779 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: just wild when you get to meet your heroes and 780 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: everyone from streisand to Joni Mitchell, to Rosemary Clooney and 781 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: everyone in between. It's been a wonderful, wonderful reality that 782 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: I got to do that show for six years and 783 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: with so many memories and so many great artists. And 784 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: thank you for asking I. We're going to keep those 785 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: Rosy O'donald clips coming on YouTube, so thanks for that too. 786 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:59,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So next week is my friend Jennifer Lewis, 787 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: the Saint Lewis Lewis's you know, she is the mother 788 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 1: of Black Hollywood. She is epic in Blackish, and she's 789 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: unbelievable and I've so loved that for you, which is 790 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: a wonderful show with Molly Shannon and Jennifer Lewis and 791 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: a wonderful cast of women. So look at that show 792 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: if you get a chance, would you Jennifer Lewis? Next 793 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: week on Onward with Rosio Donn