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Speaker 1: Every day, a weak up, the Breakfast Club finish for

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Speaker 1: y'all done.

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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the

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Speaker 2: guy we are the Breakfast Club. Laurla Roses here as well.

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Speaker 2: We got some special guests.

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Speaker 3: In the building.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, you got Chris Lofton, we got Isaac Keys,

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Speaker 2: and we got Joseph Sicar.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic.

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Speaker 5: You saw that the first episode that drafts us heavy

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Speaker 5: last week. Guess right, set it up for the rest.

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Speaker 4: Of the season. It's going to be fire season.

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Speaker 6: How do y'all approach doing a final season? How does

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Speaker 6: that even make y'all feel? Is it bittersweet?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 7: Is how do you approach it?

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Speaker 8: I think you like you just said a bittersweet, But

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Speaker 8: you know, I think once we know it's the final season,

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Speaker 8: I think it makes us to go a lot harder,

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean, like make sure we make

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Speaker 8: the scenes a little bit more intense. I think the

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Speaker 8: writing room did the same thing. Is just making sure

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Speaker 8: that every episode had a main factor to it. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's actors, you know, like we're gonna put our best

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Speaker 8: foot forward, and I think we did a great job

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Speaker 8: doing that.

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Speaker 2: Is it always that feeling like the last show will

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Speaker 2: be so amazing, but like, yeah, we just can't end

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Speaker 2: like that. We gotta do another one or another one.

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Speaker 2: Is that is that everal feeling all you're like now

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Speaker 2: as a rep?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that Gary and I just wanted to

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Speaker 5: make sure that we gave Chicago Chicago's do. A big

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Speaker 5: thing was is that I didn't produce the first season,

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Speaker 5: just the second and the third season. And a big

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Speaker 5: thing for me was getting Chicago better, you know, a

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Speaker 5: little bit more realistic. Like even the Power Show is

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Speaker 5: kind of like New York adjacent, but we wanted to

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Speaker 5: be Chicago adjacent, but it's like it's a real place.

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Speaker 5: We wanted to show the diversity within the diversity, Like

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Speaker 5: I think it was kind of like like a globular

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Speaker 5: South side of Chicago, a globular West side and that

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Speaker 5: I just mean that there was no specificity or details,

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Speaker 5: and we do a lot more detail oriented stuff in

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Speaker 5: the third season, and I think that the city is

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Speaker 5: really going to bless this show for this final season.

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Speaker 9: What did you do to do? What was your research

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Speaker 9: like leaving this well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean I moved I moved to

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Speaker 5: New York twenty six years ago. So it's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I went back early, and I met with cops and

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Speaker 5: robbers and asked and learned more about the city, because

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Speaker 5: when I was there, there was really it was really

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Speaker 5: a city.

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Speaker 4: Of gang nations.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was folks and people and and a

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Speaker 5: lot of things that were the rules, that were street

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Speaker 5: rules that were followed. And now with the emergence of

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Speaker 5: kind of like all these renegade gangs and gangs within

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Speaker 5: that used to be nations that kind of went against

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Speaker 5: each other, where would the pipeline be coming from? How

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Speaker 5: would Tommy Egan survive in this? Who would want to

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Speaker 5: just make the money and who would just want to

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Speaker 5: see him dead? And I think that we do a

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Speaker 5: lot of responsible storytelling in like there's a million people

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Speaker 5: and some of the cartels that would really truly exist.

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Speaker 4: That mimic the cartels in real life. That's what we did.

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Speaker 10: Were there any things in your research trying to get

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Speaker 10: it so real where you were like, nah, we don't

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Speaker 10: want to touch this just because of what may actively

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Speaker 9: You don't want to Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well you know, yeah, I mean Chris and Ira bo

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Speaker 5: from the past popping up and being like yo, man,

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Speaker 5: so how you why did you put it like that?

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Speaker 4: Or why did you do this like this?

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Speaker 5: And so you do there is kind of you know,

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Speaker 5: It's like people if you know, you know style and

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of wink Wick non nods

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean you want to be careful, you know.

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Speaker 6: Tommy says an interesting tags Joseph, like, you know, he's

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Speaker 6: always either chasing control or power or loyalty or revenge.

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Speaker 6: Like what what's driving him this season?

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Speaker 5: Man, that's a great question. A lot I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of it is revenge and kind of this this

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Speaker 5: uh this hunger for power and how that that the power?

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Speaker 5: You know they say power corrupts of complete power, corrupts completely.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolute power collapse. Absolutely. I know it's always just.

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Speaker 5: A little smarter than me, but that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: And I think that again, it's it's like can you

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Speaker 5: have it all? And that's that's the question, because Tommy

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Speaker 5: is going for it all this time and is he

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Speaker 5: going to sacrifice loyalty with Diamond? Is he gonna is

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Speaker 5: he gonna do backhanded deals with Jennard who is a

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Speaker 5: backhanded deal master? But yeah, so it's a really exciting season.

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Speaker 5: Gary Lennon again, our showrunner in the whole writing room

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Speaker 5: did a fantastic job. I'm so proud of them, and

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Speaker 5: I think the fans are.

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Speaker 4: Going to be really happy.

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Speaker 11: For sure.

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Speaker 6: I always feel like Diamond's trying to move righteous in

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Speaker 6: a dirty world.

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Speaker 11: I agree, I'm doing a great job man.

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Speaker 8: Trying to portray I think you know it is like

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Speaker 8: you just said, like you can't it's not moral values

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Speaker 8: too much in the street now, that's the street codes.

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Speaker 8: You try to go buy those things, but those more

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Speaker 8: than values to get you killed. And he was trying

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Speaker 8: to play both sides for so long. And the thing

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Speaker 8: now is you started to see he's starting to like

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Speaker 8: he's choosing the side he's both feed in, you know.

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Speaker 8: Now he's actually kind of looking at at Tommy like

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Speaker 8: while you while you're in love, you know, looking at

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Speaker 8: his brother Jennar, because he wants that brother relationship, I believe,

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Speaker 8: But at the same time that's gonna it could be

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Speaker 8: his downfall. I mean, it's all about relationships and alliances

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Speaker 8: right now, and how you choose and what side you're

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Speaker 8: gonna choose to go on. And I think Domina's in

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Speaker 8: the calling that little Quandra right now, you.

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Speaker 10: Guys relationship, I was gonna say, Diamond and Tommy, Joseph Isaac,

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Speaker 10: you guys relationship in the new season kind of mimics

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Speaker 9: And Tommy a bit in the reverse.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's weird because it's like, now you're in

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Speaker 10: that power seat, no pun intendent, but now you're in

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Speaker 10: a driver's seat, right and you're able to like choose

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Speaker 10: what you say what you don't say, and you're kind

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Speaker 10: of like controlling him. Was that purposely done for the

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Speaker 10: fans who've been following all the shows to kind of

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Speaker 10: put that together?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: But I also love how it mimics just like that

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Speaker 5: hurt people, hurt people and if you know, you kind

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Speaker 5: of follow the faults of your father or.

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Speaker 4: Whatever that expression.

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Speaker 5: Charla Mane will correct me, but there, you know, the

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Speaker 5: sins of the father. It's like there's there is there

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Speaker 5: is this kind of reverseness that's happening too, And we'll

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Speaker 5: see what happens to Tommy, because ultimately, what happened to

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Speaker 5: ghosts so you know, you gotta see what happened.

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Speaker 12: Definitely, there was a moment in the first episode where

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Speaker 12: there was that when you came to talk to him

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Speaker 7: I felt like you turned into ghost in that moment, and.

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Speaker 4: But Tommy checked himself too.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but I felt like ghost would have did that

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Speaker 12: to you. It was almost like reverse psychology, like you

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Speaker 12: were just telling them what you know he needed hard.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I felt like I didn't even know you thought

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Speaker 10: that you were checking yourself in that moment.

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Speaker 9: And it's hard to talk about, but.

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Speaker 4: It was real.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Tommy is an honest character in

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Speaker 5: the way when he's like, yo, man, I should have

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Speaker 5: told you everything. I should have done that, but it's

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Speaker 5: timely going to do it again. That's the that's the thing. Yes,

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Speaker 5: it's like it was smart. It's like kind of magniplance.

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Speaker 8: He knew how to he needed, knew how to dob

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Speaker 8: diamonds coming out. And I think that was a different

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Speaker 8: level of seeing Tommy, you know, and Joseph play that.

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Speaker 8: So you know, yeah, I thought it was. It's a

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Speaker 8: no bringing And it's starting to it starts to build

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Speaker 6: Chris, how do you see Jenaud did I see people

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Speaker 6: call him the smart villains and people call him a

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Speaker 12: Man, I think Jannard is misunderstood because honestly, Isaac hate

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Speaker 12: when I go off into this tangent, but I honestly

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Speaker 12: gonna be watching this saying like, nah, that ain't that

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Speaker 12: ain't how we were doing in Chicago. Y'all really gonna

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Speaker 12: let this white boy come up in here and do that?

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Speaker 12: So to me, I feel like I'm the voice of

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Speaker 12: the fans. So to me, I look at Ginnard as

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Speaker 12: to me, the only one that got some sense for real,

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Speaker 12: Because why I'm supposed to not know anything about what

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Speaker 12: Tommy was doing those six years on power, I'm supposed

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Speaker 12: to not know that. To me, this is just a

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Speaker 12: white man in Chicago who may or may not be

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Speaker 12: the police. Nobody knows, Like, why are we all so

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Speaker 7: Like nobody?

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Speaker 12: And then with my brother, I'm like, Okay, you were

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Speaker 12: in prison. I heard you like to cut hair in jail.

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Speaker 12: That's what you was in there doing, right, Bought you

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Speaker 12: a barbershop, Put you up. You're comfortable, You got something

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Speaker 12: to do. Stay out the way. You're on parole.

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Speaker 11: You hot.

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Speaker 12: You're not supposed to be touching the streets. You're gonna

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Speaker 12: mess up the whole organization. If you get caught, you're

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Speaker 12: gonna blow it all up. So I'll handle it, talk

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Speaker 12: to you, will deliberate, will be partners, brothers.

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Speaker 7: You know that was my goal. My dream didn't work.

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Speaker 4: Out like that.

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Speaker 2: Is that difficult to make it make sense? Because what

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Speaker 2: you just said is I have to make it me.

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Speaker 7: I had to make it make sense because you know,

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Speaker 7: we look at.

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Speaker 3: Him from we understand it. But this is a new series.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, to me trying to make it make sense.

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Speaker 12: I did create that backstory, I said with I've remember

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Speaker 12: I told Joseph Isaac and with Gary lenn and our showrunner.

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Speaker 8: It's like can you do that? Would you be able

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Speaker 6: You sound like saying this man just feel motivational.

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Speaker 8: For some reason.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes what does redemption look like for Diamond? Like now

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Speaker 8: I think Ultimately, what Diamond wants he wants that be

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Speaker 10: You do you think the world will ever look at

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Speaker 10: But people don't see that. They only say why would

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Speaker 9: I'm sure you get that question on the time. Do

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Speaker 8: And I think even outside the show, we make sure

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Speaker 8: It's the Power Universe. We know that's not you know,

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Speaker 2: I will say that that these stories are might not

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Speaker 11: Every time.

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Speaker 7: Me and my brother.

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Speaker 3: That's how it was, you mean. And that's why I

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times, like she said, a lot

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Speaker 3: How did it work?

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Speaker 2: So I think this kind of gives you an inside

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Speaker 6: Things, so Tommy would have been in jail a long

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Speaker 8: Car all right, and it's loud, hard to drive, toot,

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Speaker 4: He's not switching up rides all that much.

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Speaker 5: Although in the original Power Show they did, you know,

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Speaker 12: I think that when you made that drive of Chicago,

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Speaker 5: Right, No, it's like they bucked me out of the car.

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Speaker 4: Let's not talk about season one.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, you know, when you talk about

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Speaker 12: I honestly do think it's important. Honestly, we got to

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Speaker 7: Like that's why they don't mention like real gangs.

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Speaker 12: We make up gang names because we don't want to

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Speaker 5: Slipping little vernacular improves that every now and again when

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Speaker 7: Because I'm really from Chicago, so I'll try to slip in.

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Speaker 11: Again.

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Speaker 7: I'll try to slip it in and there.

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Speaker 12: Because I know the city is going to be like bro,

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Speaker 12: I know, I know like that the city of Chicago

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, London Brown crushes it as I'm

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Speaker 12: An exceptional case. London Brown shout out to London. That's

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Speaker 7: But like, I don't feel like New York and Chicago likes.

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Speaker 2: That that LAY don't like it at all. LA is

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Speaker 2: And I alway also wanted to know when y'all shoot

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Speaker 11: TV shows?

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Speaker 12: I've never been that guy for real that really like

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Speaker 4: I just me neither.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just know how to disassociated a lot more from.

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Speaker 5: I just find that there's a lot more fun when

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Speaker 5: you know, coming from the theater. Do you know, It's

443
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,040
Speaker 5: like if you're not going to bring that character home,

444
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,000
Speaker 5: you're playing the guy for six months, you know what

445
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,680
Speaker 5: I mean, You're just you just bring it to the theater.

446
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,440
Speaker 4: That's what you warm them up. That's why you get,

447
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing.

448
00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,320
Speaker 3: Imagine Joe who pulled up to pick up his kid

449
00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,480
Speaker 3: from school. He pulled up in the car.

450
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, when I see you, it's so hard to not

451
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,879
Speaker 10: see Tommy, all of you guys. It's hard to not

452
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,639
Speaker 10: envision y'all in the show. I'm like then, I was

453
00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,560
Speaker 10: just watching you last night.

454
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520
Speaker 11: Like me, I think Jo does.

455
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,760
Speaker 6: A fantastic job acting because he's nothing like Tommy in

456
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,320
Speaker 6: real life.

457
00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,560
Speaker 9: Too, but the voice is there.

458
00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,880
Speaker 4: He's selling copious amounts of drugs.

459
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,400
Speaker 6: But I'll be wondering, with all the spin offs, what

460
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,120
Speaker 6: makes four stand out to you creatively and just all

461
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,919
Speaker 6: of the different shows when you got to show up

462
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,520
Speaker 6: this Tommy, do these shows even feel different?

463
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,840
Speaker 5: I mean they don't when I show up as Tommy.

464
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,840
Speaker 5: Tommy is Tommy is Tommy. And I feel like on

465
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,080
Speaker 5: the original it was fun doing the guests that's on

466
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 5: the Ghost Show just to be that, and I love

467
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,840
Speaker 5: Michael so much, so it was always fun to come

468
00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,120
Speaker 5: back and do something with him. But I think that, yeah,

469
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,359
Speaker 5: Tommy is kind of his own entity and one of

470
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 5: the fun things about taking the character home. I always

471
00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,200
Speaker 5: kept Tommy as close as I needed those first seasons

472
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,160
Speaker 5: to make sure that, you know, everything was right and consistent,

473
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,560
Speaker 5: and that was my job. But like now, it is

474
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,119
Speaker 5: fun in some capacity this, you know, ten eleven, twelve

475
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 5: years on from the original to be just be like

476
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 5: let the light.

477
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 4: Switch go, just to see what happens, because I'm not even.

478
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,520
Speaker 5: Positive what I'm going to do in those situations because

479
00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920
Speaker 5: I have the luxury of like this character who's.

480
00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,520
Speaker 4: Got its own life, so you just flip it on.

481
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes this happens. Sometimes it happened, I'm like, oh, that's

482
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,560
Speaker 4: kind of funny or bizarre or whatever. So that that

483
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,680
Speaker 4: has been a wonderful part of this journey.

484
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,080
Speaker 2: I always want to go also too, when you took

485
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,280
Speaker 2: the audition to play Joseph play time, I should say,

486
00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,680
Speaker 2: did you think it would be this far?

487
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 3: And did did you want to do it?

488
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,280
Speaker 4: Was like the original audition.

489
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,280
Speaker 5: I wanted to do it so bad because well, because

490
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,439
Speaker 5: you know, I played around in the streets growing up,

491
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,480
Speaker 5: and I you know, I was a very unsuccessful actor

492
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 5: for many years, and even in Chicago the lot of

493
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,640
Speaker 5: the areas where you because I was a graffiti writer

494
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,400
Speaker 5: that many people know. So you know what I mean,

495
00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,720
Speaker 5: You're dipping into these different kind of life and stuff

496
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 5: like that based Tommy a lot on guys that I

497
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,239
Speaker 5: was scared of growing up and you know, making your

498
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 5: way through. So I think I felt like I just

499
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,439
Speaker 5: just like, they're going to hire.

500
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 4: Some pretty guy and they're going to get it all wrong.

501
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,119
Speaker 5: And but so I passed on the initial audition for it,

502
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 5: just because I was getting married, and so I was

503
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,399
Speaker 5: just like, I can't make the audition. But then it

504
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 5: came back around because you guys know that Fifth was

505
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 5: originally going to play the ghost character, and then when

506
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 5: he wasn't going to anymore than they had re auditions

507
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 5: for everything.

508
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 4: And I like the script.

509
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,719
Speaker 5: I thought this would be great, and I was a

510
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,119
Speaker 5: fan of Fifth anyway. And then when I actually got it,

511
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 5: you know, I was the only one that auditioned from

512
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 5: New York, and so it was five auditions and finally

513
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 5: in La we did the chemistry reads and blah blah blah,

514
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 5: and when I booked it, I was really I was

515
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 5: super excited, and I said, the fifth is amazing.

516
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 4: Man.

517
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 5: You know, I hope it goes more than a season

518
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 5: or whatever. He goes, this can go seven, And he

519
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 5: was almost right. I mean six and a half is

520
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,199
Speaker 5: pretty texting me.

521
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 6: I mean, actually more if you think about it, if

522
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 6: you yeah.

523
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 4: All the spin offs now it's been, it's been whatever.

524
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 6: You know, so what series means more to you, the

525
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 6: original Power or the four spinner.

526
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 4: It's hard to say.

527
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 5: I just like working with Gary Lennon as a writer, like,

528
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 5: that's what it means. I mean, I think that just

529
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 5: Gary bringing in the authenticity of his brothers being you know,

530
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 5: Westy's from a hell's kitchen and Gary's brings in so

531
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 5: much of the life of it. And even though Tommy's

532
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 5: from South Side Jamaica, I think, just like the whole

533
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 5: the authenticity of New York that Gary brings to the

534
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 5: character has really been a dance of two people. So

535
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 5: whatever Gary's writing means most of me.

536
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 4: But I like, I love these guys.

537
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 5: These are brothers and brothers for life, and I'm so

538
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 5: happy that I have you know, got to have friends

539
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 5: like this on the Force show, so that.

540
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 4: Means a lot.

541
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 5: But it was also a meant a lot for me

542
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 5: to produce the show. And finally, because it's hard, man,

543
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 5: people don't want to give you even when you've earned

544
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 5: your seat at the table. You guys know that nobody

545
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 5: wants to let you have that seat, and everybody's still

546
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 5: vying for it. And even when I'm doing it, especially

547
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 5: the second season, you had people like picking at you,

548
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 5: trying to put you down, like playing weird games. Behind

549
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 5: the scenes, You're just like, stop this nonsense. What is

550
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 5: happening here? But I think that I'm really proud of

551
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 5: the third season. I think the fans are going to

552
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 5: like it the best out of any of the season

553
00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 5: at the four.

554
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 3: Shit, Now, what's more grueling NFL.

555
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 4: Or being an actor?

556
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 11: Right?

557
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: Because on Monday you're gonna get what you did wrong

558
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But as an actor, you get that

559
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: every day that show comes on in the comments. So

560
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 2: what's more grueling for yourself?

561
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: You know?

562
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 8: I don't miss you know, they always ask you that

563
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 8: what are you missing football? And I'm like, you don't

564
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 8: miss being out there like at this point in my life? No,

565
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 8: like no, you know me because it was you know,

566
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 8: it was the physical aspect. But for me, playing football was

567
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 8: actually more of a grind than his acting. You know,

568
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 8: I was always trying that I was making the team.

569
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 8: I was on actor roster, the practice squad. I didn't

570
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 8: know where I was gonna be at next you know,

571
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 8: but you know, you know, being emotionally unavailable to a

572
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 8: lot of outside relations because I just felt unstable in

573
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 8: the game at the time. And I feel like I

574
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 8: was giving so much to the game, but it wasn't

575
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 8: giving back to me, you know. So and if I

576
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 8: got an acting how to do that, and I don't know,

577
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 8: you know, they they say, maybe you two too many

578
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 8: hits in the here because you chose something it's very similar,

579
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 8: you know, because it's still it's unstable as well too.

580
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 11: But the things I've learned in the game.

581
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 8: Of football, I was able to transfer over to actor,

582
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 8: as far as the discipline, and far as the work ethic,

583
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 8: and far as the knowing how to deal with rejection,

584
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 8: because we get so many no's without them even saying

585
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 8: no to our face and acting, you know. So it's

586
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 8: like you just wait for that one yes, and you

587
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 8: realize how many people said have to say yes and

588
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 8: nord for you to get this role, you know, And

589
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 8: then so I look at it now it's like, you know,

590
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 8: you're grateful for it, but it's it's yeah, it's both

591
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 8: of them agouling their own aspects.

592
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 4: Man.

593
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 11: So you know, I'm just the grind on. Stop is

594
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 11: just changes.

595
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 6: Isaac and Christian. In regard to dealing with fifty cent

596
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 6: what did y'all learn from little meat?

597
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 7: I never want to be on fifties bad side, that's all.

598
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 12: I've just learned that. And I never I never want

599
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 12: to owe fifty money ever. In life, not from little Meets,

600
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 12: but just in general, just from no cause I know

601
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 12: he wants it by Monday, and I just you know,

602
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 12: and I just want to stay on this good side.

603
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 4: That's it.

604
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 12: I don't know, you know, with him and little whole

605
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 12: little Meats thing. I have no clue. I'm not privy

606
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 12: to truly what's going on there. I just know my

607
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 12: loyalty runs deep. I know today I booked this role.

608
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 12: One of the first things I did, you would appreciate, Charloane,

609
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 12: because you know you you a little messy. First thing

610
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 12: I did was I went straight to John Rule's Instagram pressed, unfollowed.

611
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: Followed back right now. This is followed back because I've

612
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: already met y'all. I already met him and long before

613
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: I got on followed. I met him, and he followed me,

614
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: his manager and everything. And I said, the one thing

615
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: that will not happen, Curtis Jackson will not just be

616
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: sitting down one day and go on John Rule's page

617
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: and see followed by Christy Lofton.

618
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 7: You will not. And I just unfollowed. I don't know,

619
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 7: God heavens know.

620
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: Everybody fifth got problems.

621
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 12: You won't follow I'll follow Rick Ross everybody. I don't

622
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 12: follow any of them. I swear when we get off,

623
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 12: I'm gon show yourself follow.

624
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 11: Here's the viral moment.

625
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 8: I answer what man, I've learned as you tell about football,

626
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 8: and that is walking my life, man like. I don't

627
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 8: get involved in the miss. I don't get involved anything, especially,

628
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 8: I got too many other problems my own to be

629
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 8: worried about something else and what's going on over there,

630
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 8: because you never know all the complete details. You never know,

631
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 8: So why passed judge? Knowing they try to, you know,

632
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 8: do whatever. I just mind my business.

633
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 10: Man cool answer, Joseph, I want to say, I saw

634
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 10: TMZ ran until you did. They asked you about the

635
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 10: meat situation fifty posted and it said you was too smart.

636
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 9: You got about it very easy.

637
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if I got out there easy. I

638
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: think I chose my words pretty carefully.

639
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 5: But it's because I think Meets is a nice young man.

640
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 5: And I think that what people forget is that Fifth

641
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 5: paid for his acting classes. I mean, he invested into Meets.

642
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: So there's there's a certain amount there that's that's you know,

643
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: there there was love, and I basically what I said

644
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 5: to teams, if there was love there can be love again,

645
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 5: you know. There there's a certain amount of redemption or

646
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: forgiveness within there. So it's also just like I try

647
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 5: to stay in my lane as well. You know, it's

648
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: not again, Like Isaac said, it's not really my business,

649
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: but I I want everybody to get along, but you can't. Man,

650
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep it moving exactly.

651
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 10: You really think though, that there could be love again.

652
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 10: It seems like fifty's kind of like done with that situation.

653
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 5: I mean, he then he's probably then he's probably done,

654
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, But I always there's always hope.

655
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 6: It's interesting with power too, because power is built on

656
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 6: loyalty is built on betrayal and ambition. So I want

657
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 6: to ask y'all in real life, what's more dangerous ambition

658
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 6: with no loyalty or loyalty with no ambition.

659
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 4: Wow, I'll go ambition with no loyalty the same.

660
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 11: That's what I would go. That's dangerous. I'm still processing.

661
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 11: That's deep.

662
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 4: Look, I'll be overthinking that something fantastic.

663
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 11: Loyal Lord, I probably to concur like ambition.

664
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 8: I think ambition can be because some too much ambition

665
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 8: can always be in a relationship. Because therefore, now you

666
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 8: just going for what you want, you can becomes you

667
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 8: can become very selfish in aspect. When you become selfish,

668
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 8: you end up hurting a lot of people around you,

669
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 8: especially when they try to be loyal to you, you know,

670
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 8: and then you ambition that you moving different. You say,

671
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 8: we're moving weird, you know, you know, so trying to

672
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 8: figure that out. I think that's that's a good question.

673
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 5: But I like when The Power Show, in all of

674
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 5: its incurrent nations, shows that that that without loyalty, without this,

675
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: with just blind the ambition, things fall apart.

676
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: You know.

677
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 5: This kind of lifestyle is people you can't be happy

678
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. I always say Tommy's like a

679
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: vampire somebody she keeps living, but like he's living alone

680
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 5: and it could be a lonely life.

681
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 4: It's like it's not winning.

682
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, every day is like you're looking over your shoulder,

683
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 8: You're trying to figure it out. There was some scenes

684
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 8: I always looking always admired, you know, when I Tolse

685
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 8: does because you talked about how can you walk away

686
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 8: from it? But there's scenes where you know, I'm just

687
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 8: only my first season doing it, and I'm like, but

688
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 8: you feel all the treachery behind you, the people that's

689
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 8: trying to do all these things, like feeling like Gennar

690
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 8: are trying to kill Diamond. I personalized that a little bit,

691
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 8: like so even on the set, like I couldn't talk

692
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 8: to him for a little while after that, like knowing how,

693
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 8: you know, just knowing how he moved. He's sitting around

694
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 8: the corner, over the corner, smoking the square, laughing, being

695
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 8: Chris as big.

696
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 11: I'm in a barbershop looking like this.

697
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 8: Like I still wasn't over with it for a time

698
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 8: because and I always admired about the you know, the

699
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 8: character Tommy's because he dealt with that for so many

700
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 8: seasons on Power over and over again. And then come

701
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 8: to this, I'm like, it takes some therapy. It takes

702
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 8: some you know, some some aspect later on to be

703
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 8: like okay, let me let that go.

704
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 11: It takes practice because it is deep.

705
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 5: Feeling still in therapy and you're talking to the right

706
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: guys here more advocates for.

707
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 6: Me, it's a cane and able dynamic that y'all relationship

708
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 6: on the show.

709
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 12: It definitely is, I think so, I definitely think it's

710
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 12: that that's a good analogy.

711
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 10: Can y'all talk about from from ghosts to force the

712
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 10: women that are involved with different characters throughout the series.

713
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 10: So shanty with you this season and then you're dating

714
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 10: Maria Miguel's sister, right there's and then you go in

715
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 10: and out of your situation.

716
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, look for and all their wrong places all y'all

717
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 9: be though.

718
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 10: That's what I want to ask, like that that common

719
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 10: storyline is every chapter every season. But y'all never learned

720
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 10: people always end up dead? What is the reason for that?

721
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 10: Like why are we watching you?

722
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: Guys? Never learn why? Because mixed life.

723
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 5: I think that all the time, Like, oh, you know,

724
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 5: girls like the bad boy, but then I get hurt

725
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 5: and it's like what are you dating a bad boy for?

726
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: But because I like him? So you know, a lot

727
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: of that I.

728
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 5: Think just is again responsible storytelling, because that's what humans

729
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 5: do a lot of times. I think that that's not

730
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: necessarily Tommy's intention to speaking with Maria, but in a

731
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: lot of ways, like he demands loyalty or death, and

732
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 5: so I mean you think about with Lakeisha and he's like, Yo,

733
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: you want to be with me, keish, you gotta be

734
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 5: all in and he pulls out the gun she's like,

735
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: I'm all in.

736
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: He's like, Gonga slips back under the couch.

737
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: So with Maria just that she said, I'm choosing this

738
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 5: lifestyle to be in even though I've done everything in

739
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: my life to not be part of this. Although I

740
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 5: know what the game is and I grew up around it.

741
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put all that aside for you. I'm gonna

742
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: put everything aside for you. I think in a lot

743
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: of ways, the Timmy that we know is like, Okay,

744
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put everything away for you, and he means it.

745
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: And that's that's one of the attractive qualities about the character,

746
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: is that this extreme loyalty that you're almost like, but

747
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 5: hold up, you just know this, you just met. But

748
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: some people are like that, like when we move in

749
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: with each other, people too early, when we when we

750
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: I'm all for you, and like sometimes when you're all

751
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: for somebody, it actually you know, pushes them away with

752
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: that same that magnetism, because magnetism works both ways, right,

753
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: it either goes like this or if you flip it behind,

754
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: it goes like this. So it's it's gonna be a

755
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 5: little push and pull with Tommy and Maria.

756
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 10: And a lot of times with the women that y'all

757
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 10: are dating. There is no loyalty there, right, everybody wants

758
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 10: some good of situation. Do you think that you're able

759
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 10: to really be loyal in what you're doing a day

760
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 10: to day in your life if you can't be loyal

761
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 10: in your relationship from.

762
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: When you got communication.

763
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 5: If there's communications there and you say, hey, listen, like

764
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: Tommy said, listen, I can't tell you this.

765
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm not this where you.

766
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 5: Everything is happening, all right, but you need plausible deniability.

767
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: I can't tell you everything because I care about you.

768
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 5: So as long as there's communication, I think that helps

769
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff. But I want to hear what

770
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: you want to say about Jaunty.

771
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 10: What I want to say about Shaunty had you spinning?

772
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

773
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 7: Like, I think there truly is love there. Because a

774
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 7: lot of people.

775
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 12: Always question does Shanti and jine I really love each

776
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 12: other or is she just using him or manipulating him?

777
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 12: I think she truly does love Jannar because she was

778
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 12: there for me when I was in the dark place.

779
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 12: You know, Jannar was going through shit, he was battling

780
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 12: an addiction, he was everything like that. She was there

781
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 12: for him. I couldn't tell my brother because I was

782
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 12: trying to hide it. I was embarrassed. I didn't want

783
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 12: nobody to know that this is how Jennard was. So

784
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 12: Shati came to Jannard in a very dark place. So

785
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 12: I think there is love there. But I do think

786
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 12: that Jannard sometimes makes her think that she's in control

787
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 12: and that's why he ends up going out and doing

788
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 12: whatever he wants to do. Anyway, but he sometimes he

789
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 12: just tell her what you want to hear so she

790
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 12: can shut up. And I don't think and I think

791
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 12: it mimics real life because some boyfriend's husbands sometimes girls

792
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 12: do that. Okay, bab, yeah you're right, knowing damn well,

793
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 12: I don't think that, but yeah, you're right, just so

794
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 12: you can keep the peace, happy wife, happy life, but

795
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 12: then you're gonna end up doing your own things.

796
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 7: So I think that this season with Shanti and Gennard,

797
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 7: were just gonna.

798
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 12: See how that relationship truly on foes and I think

799
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 12: they love and loyalty and all of that will detested.

800
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 10: For me this season with you guys, one of the

801
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 10: biggest things I looked at it as in earlier episodes

802
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 10: was she so you as like almost like something that

803
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 10: she could like build up and use and dangle, like

804
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 10: you have a sort of power that you didn't know

805
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 10: and she saw it and she was using you for that,

806
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 10: and once she used you, it was going to.

807
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: Be like whatever.

808
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 7: That's what you take from it.

809
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 9: In the earlier episodes, Yeah.

810
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 7: You see that because it came across like that.

811
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 12: And I feel like while I was doing it subconsciously

812
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 12: because we never know what's going on with the scripts.

813
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 12: Every episode we get the script, like we never know

814
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 12: who about to die or nothing, right, you know, So

815
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 12: I'm I'm looking I'm like, okay, But in my head,

816
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 12: in my head, I always try to subconsciously play Jannar

817
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 12: in Shanty's relationship a little to the point where it's

818
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 12: like Jannar could possibly kill her if he wanted to

819
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 12: or if he has to, like he loves her, but

820
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 12: I don't know what was that look.

821
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: I just feel like Jannark could kill anybody.

822
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 12: That's what I tried to subconsciously implement that. Like, so

823
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 12: there would be moments in the script where it'll say,

824
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 12: like Jennar leans in and kisses Shanty passionately, and instead

825
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 12: of doing that I've just look at it and be like,

826
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 12: I fuck with you and do that instead of kissing her,

827
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 12: because I feel like that leaves room if I have

828
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 12: to kill her, it won't come as you know what

829
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 12: I'm saying, And in my head I played it like

830
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 12: that subconsciously, I'm not gonna kisser right here.

831
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 7: I did one.

832
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 12: I was like, you know, I'm fucking with the right girl.

833
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 12: I said that instead of the passionate kiss that was

834
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 12: supposed to happen. I just tried to keep that open

835
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 12: just in case because I didn't know where they were going.

836
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 6: Why you think would have made you look more grimy

837
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: if you kissed it and had a relationship and then

838
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 6: killed it.

839
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 12: No, I just wanted to leave fans in my head

840
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 12: and like I said, it might not have even been working,

841
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 12: But in my head, I was like, there might be

842
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 12: people watching this that are looking like, ooh, he might

843
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 12: kill her, Like you know what I'm saying, Like in

844
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 12: my head it might not even been the case, but

845
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 12: I just kept that window open.

846
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 6: Jodaph is there an end of the Power Universe?

847
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 8: Like?

848
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 6: Have there been talks like to the maybe to the

849
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: end of Tommy's character.

850
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: There's been talks Oh, but I feel like in terms

851
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: of the end of the Power Universe, I think that

852
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: most talks are about expansion. All right, where where can

853
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 5: we go next? You know, we're the only Power show

854
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: that takes place outside in New York, so that was

855
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 5: kind of a big thing for them at this point too.

856
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 5: But then with you know, with fifties other shows, with

857
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: fight Land coming out and in England, I feel like

858
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 5: they're going to probably be thinking about a little bit

859
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: of international expansion in some capacity through the Power Universe.

860
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 5: And then I'm sure that they'll they'll expand on stories

861
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 5: in New York like they are doing already in.

862
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: The Origin story.

863
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: But I bet there will be more spin offs that

864
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 5: take place around uh NYC.

865
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 6: Do you have an idea what what you would want

866
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 6: the ending?

867
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: I know exactly what I would want the ending for Tommy.

868
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 5: In fact, me and Gary Lennon are already starting to

869
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: make an outline for a for a movie, for a

870
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 5: feature that would be kind of the possibly the final

871
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: final chapter.

872
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: Hard Oh, he can't tell us.

873
00:33:52,000 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: You know about this. I don't want to.

874
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 5: Every move I make that has any thing to do

875
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: with Power, and almost any move I make anything he

876
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: wants to though he could know. But any move I make,

877
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: I fifth is all I always have because it's responsible.

878
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 5: He he's he's old it because yeah, because I'm a

879
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: loyal you know, friend or colleague or whatever. But he's

880
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Speaker 5: also old it because he's owded it because he's an

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Speaker 5: executive producer and a creator.

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Speaker 4: So he's old it twice.

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Speaker 5: But I also I always give the respect to Fifth

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Speaker 5: because there's a good guy. Like he's been a good

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Speaker 5: person of me, a great person of me. He's taught

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Speaker 5: me a lot, he sat down with me, he's been accessible,

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Speaker 5: Like I realize how much I owe fifty and I'm grateful.

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Speaker 2: Well, definitely check out the final season of Force. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you check it out. The first episode was last Friday.

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Speaker 2: And we appreciate you brothers for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Isaac Key's Christy Lofton. It's the Breakfast Club. Good wake

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Speaker 3: that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 11: The Breakfast Club