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Speaker 3: Kate Cunningham starting to feel himself and rightfully so, because

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Speaker 3: the Detroit Pistons power Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 4: I need I need a ten game losing team. As

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Speaker 4: of yesterday, Rob Parker is out. I don't Detroit Pistons

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Speaker 4: the I'm not just like you claim the Lions and

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Speaker 4: how'd that go?

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Speaker 5: I'm raising my hand.

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Speaker 4: I'm not claiming the Piston all right, in any of

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Speaker 4: When Joe d text you, Joe Joe Dio text you,

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Speaker 4: I know you.

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Speaker 5: Are if it's a long time Chason wouldn't do that

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Speaker 5: for any event.

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Speaker 3: Down their two best big men, Kid Cunningham and the

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Speaker 3: Pistons came into Madison Square Garden and put belt to

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Speaker 3: as on. The Knicks beat him down again. They sweeped

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Speaker 3: the season series. Kate Cunningham went off forty two points,

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Speaker 3: thirteen assists, a rebounds. After the game, in an exclusivo

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Speaker 3: with our friend of the show, Vinnie Goodwill, told ESPN,

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Speaker 3: you know what I think, I am the MVP Rob Parker.

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Speaker 3: I know you gotta love that kind of breagadocia.

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Speaker 4: I hate it, and my thing is I don't want

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Speaker 4: Kate Cunningham is an exciting, tremendous young player who was

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Speaker 4: worth suitable for framing, worth the price of admission. But

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Speaker 4: don't turn into that guy. Don't be Cad Cunningham. Don't

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Speaker 4: be the guy who has to pat hisself on the

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Speaker 4: of Cad. I don't want to call you Cad cunning Him.

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Speaker 4: Don't beat Lebron James, be Michael Jordan. Whoever's giving you

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Speaker 4: this advice or telling you you're feeling yourself or you

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Speaker 4: feel like you need to say who you are. You

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Speaker 4: know what Michael Jordan used to say every time they

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Speaker 4: would go up to reporters and ask him about him

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Speaker 4: being the great, I didn't play against everybody. I can't

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Speaker 4: value judge myself and say I'm the best player ever played.

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Speaker 5: I didn't play against.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, Or he'd say, that's not for me to determine,

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Speaker 4: and Cad Cunningham is in the same exact spot. Dude,

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Speaker 4: there's some great players in the league as well. Do

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Speaker 4: not feel yourself to the point where you think SGA

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Speaker 4: ain't in the mix, the joker ain't in the mix.

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Speaker 5: And then the.

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Speaker 4: Best part of all of this, while he's out feeling

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Speaker 5: And we'll get to this as well.

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Speaker 4: There was a straw poll of the voters, not Pistons, fans,

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Speaker 4: not Kelvin Washington and guys like that. And for the

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Speaker 4: guy who says he's the MVP now and he's the

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Speaker 4: best player in the league, a best American player in

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Speaker 4: the league. Somehow he only got one first place vote

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Speaker 4: in the straw pole, came a distant third, not even

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Speaker 5: So this is premature.

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Speaker 4: Pumped the breaks and be better, Cad, don't be Cad,

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Speaker 4: don't be Lebron. When he told everybody, oh yeah, remember

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Speaker 4: we came back from three to one, and when I

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Speaker 4: for him?

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Speaker 5: You don't have to do that.

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Speaker 4: Keep doing what you're doing, keep playing hard, keep winning.

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Speaker 4: The accolades will follow. If somebody asks you. You don't

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Speaker 4: have to answer with that. That's not the voters. You

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Speaker 4: don't have a vote. I hate to break it to you,

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Speaker 4: Guess what, you don't have a vote.

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Speaker 5: That's it. That's it, all right.

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Speaker 1: So this is why I know you were soft stuff

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Speaker 1: yesterday when I told you you came back from wine

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Speaker 1: because you know what, you sat up here and told

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Speaker 5: That's what you said.

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Speaker 1: So now he comes out and says he's the MVP,

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Speaker 1: and now you got a problem with it. Kay Cunningham

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Speaker 5: But I don't I don't. I don't have a problem

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Speaker 5: with it. I totally get what you mean.

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Speaker 1: If this becomes something where every time he has a

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Speaker 1: we might have to relax a little bit. But I

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Speaker 4: Well, why are voters why why is he at one

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Speaker 5: Here we are in almost March. The season is coming

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Speaker 5: to an end. So I hear you. But the voters,

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Speaker 5: the people actually vote don't have them in that conversation.

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Speaker 5: And that's a great point. That's all. That's all why

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Speaker 5: it changes.

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Speaker 1: It changes off of the first game back national game,

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Speaker 1: everybody's watching, and you ball out in Madison's career guard,

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Speaker 1: I guess the team who took you guys's heart in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, you ball out. You started to get all

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Speaker 1: these conversations. You had the whole GQ spread for a

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Speaker 1: then more importantly, you ball in crunch time. So that's

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Speaker 1: guys like Jalen Brunton who are incredible at crunch time.

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Speaker 1: He scored nineteen and a four twice this season, which

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Speaker 4: All that you're saying, the guys who cover the league

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Speaker 5: Not happens who are the voters? So they don't see

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Speaker 5: any of that all the way up until I'm saying he.

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Speaker 1: Had a moment that now people are gonna go Oh,

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Speaker 1: like guarantee you the odds were? Where was he working

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Speaker 1: when you don't win the MVP? He has a great chance. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not what I asked you. He went from thirteen

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Speaker 1: hundred to five hundred. Is going to I'm VP. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just sas to win. But he absolutely, he'll be second.

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Speaker 1: He has a great chances if they win the East

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Speaker 5: He has a great chance. There's not really anybody else

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Speaker 3: Joe Lacub did a sit down interview with Tim Kawakami,

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Speaker 3: longtime Bay Area a sports reporter.

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Speaker 5: Now it's with the San Francisco Standard. I remember when

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Speaker 3: Tim Kawakami at the New York Time, He's been around

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Speaker 5: Worked in Philadelphia before that. I've known Tim for forty years,

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Speaker 5: and so they he's a good report.

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Speaker 3: They covered a lot of different topics, and one of

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Speaker 3: the things they talked about was, of course, the reported

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Speaker 3: failed pursuit of Giannis at the Gumbo at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 3: They got Porzingis instead. And in the sit down with Kawakami,

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Speaker 3: Joe Lacub mentioned that, you know, despite what you may

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Speaker 3: have heard or what you may have thought, Draymond Green

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Speaker 3: was never included in any of these Giannis talks, partly

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Speaker 3: because they never really got to specific terms of a deal,

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Speaker 3: but also because, according to Joe Lacob, Draymond Green is

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Speaker 3: a core person in the Warriors franchise, and according to

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Speaker 3: Joe lacub, you don't just trade away a Draymond Green

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Speaker 3: either you're getting at your and his value. But long

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Speaker 3: story short, Draymond means too much of this organization for

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Speaker 1: Yeah you want to go first on this, or well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it doesn't surprise me kind of with

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Speaker 5: They have made all concessions for Draymond.

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Speaker 1: Draymond has been the guy who's said things, who's walked

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Speaker 1: off of benches, who's punched people, who's had to apologize

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Speaker 1: left and right. But I think they're okay with that.

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Speaker 1: They have made up in their minds that while Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry puts sells jerseys, he sells popcorn, people come to

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Speaker 1: see him. They know inside and out how vital Draymond

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Speaker 1: is for that organization. And I think when you look

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Speaker 1: at a guy like Steve Kerr, who played with the Bulls,

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Speaker 1: who's from the nineties era, who got socked by Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I think he maybe has a mindset. Rob if a

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Speaker 1: little sock ain't nothing to it, you know, a little

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Speaker 1: punch here and there. Hey, Michael Jordan punched me. I

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Speaker 1: punched him back, and I earned his respect. And I

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Speaker 1: think they have just made up their minds that he

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Speaker 1: is kind of that lifeline for them. Steph's are our

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Speaker 1: best player. He gets our offense to go. He's the

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Speaker 1: sexiest player. People buy tickets for him. But Draymond is

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Speaker 1: what gets us going. Draymond is the guy in the

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Speaker 1: locker room when something needs to be said, we'll say it.

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Speaker 1: We talk about all the time. Why wouldn't Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: speak to Draymond step up? Why wouldn't he challenge it?

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Speaker 1: Why don't they speak to this thing, this situation that's

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Speaker 1: just not his makeup? And I think they've realized they

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Speaker 1: need that type of guy. Whether Kelvin Washington likes it,

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Speaker 1: Rob Parker likes it, they feel like in their locker

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Speaker 1: room he's their guy. And also believe Steve Kerr being

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Speaker 1: have to treat Shack a little different than I treat Kobe.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you go to Vegas for a few weeks.

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Speaker 4: So why I get the importance of having a Draymond

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Speaker 5: He's the complimentary player that you need.

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Speaker 5: That's why he didn't take the lucrative deal to go

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree franchise Jordan Puls crazy. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: To I get what you're saying about him, Like right,

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Speaker 5: If you're namous MVP and.

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Speaker 1: You got three games to win one, Raymond only misses one, Steph,

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Speaker 1: I give you all Draymond's out game five, Steph, you there, five,

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Speaker 4: You've already documented, is he's the author of the biggest

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Speaker 4: Right like knowing that this is gonna cost you, what

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Speaker 4: why to my point, that just screams even louder than me,

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Speaker 4: He's the guy.

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Speaker 1: Clay's gone, Harrison Bonds gonna lives here, everybody's gone, Kadi's gone.

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Speaker 1: Two people remain. You're obvious in Steph and the guy

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Speaker 5: He can't go. That just shows me how and like.

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Speaker 4: I disagree, absolutely think all the players you don't win

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Speaker 4: You can find a player who could who could do

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Speaker 4: rob They won three without them, but I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: Iron that Rodman wins two with the Pistons, he wins

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Speaker 4: Trying to make a basket when you need a basketball

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Speaker 1: That's why I used the the Dennis Robin argument in

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Speaker 5: We gotta go get Robin.

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Speaker 1: of the on Ball podcast, Rick, what's up? Brother?

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Speaker 5: How you know? What's happening?

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Speaker 6: What is happening? Sellos?

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Speaker 5: How are we We're doing? Good man? Happy Friday to you?

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. You survived

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Speaker 6: All Star weekend?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was, Yeah, I wasn't really too much

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Speaker 5: in the streets. I was living through Rob's Instagram. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you are, the best part about it was I had

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Speaker 6: Seats, Rick, what are you doing? Media doesn't go to

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Speaker 6: All Star Game? All Star Game anymore?

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Speaker 5: Rick?

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Speaker 2: The hell?

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Speaker 6: the way, by the way, we all live through Rob's Instagram.

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Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, of course we Rob.

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 5: You know he's Rick. You know he's got Rob's got

441
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Speaker 5: a million brands. Like what do you got on today?

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Speaker 1: It's m MLB, bro, Because you need to know, he's

443
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Speaker 1: got the Black Writers Hall of Fame. I mean, it's

444
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Speaker 1: always something with Rob, you know. But Rick, I do

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Speaker 1: want to ask you just before we get into some

446
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Speaker 1: other stuff. The last couple of years in San Francisco,

447
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Speaker 1: they had empty seats, that had empty seats here.

448
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Speaker 5: Like you can't hide from that.

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Speaker 4: People just said the prices are just ridiculous and I'm not,

450
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Speaker 4: you know, in love with these guys and how they

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Speaker 4: play the All Star Game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's been the case. I'm hoping that

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Speaker 6: with thicker women and Yama and the new guys, the

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Speaker 6: new young guys and the way they come in, that

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Speaker 6: we're going to have a changing of the guard because

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Speaker 6: it really comes down to, uh, if the best players say, hey,

457
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Speaker 6: you know what, we're going to compete. You know, Michael

458
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Speaker 6: Jordan at one point walked in the locker room and said, Hey,

459
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Speaker 6: everybody's putting up one hundred k both sides, and that's

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Speaker 6: what we're playing for. And you know, one hundred K

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Speaker 6: to day is what a hundred what what it.

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Speaker 5: Was back then? Yes, that was big money.

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Speaker 6: But the point was the point was, Hey, we're going

464
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Speaker 6: to play for something and we're going to compete and

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Speaker 6: it you know, we hit this era after Kobe, you know,

466
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Speaker 6: Russell Westbrook had a little bit of it. But it

467
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Speaker 6: was almost like they mocked Russ for playing hard and

468
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Speaker 6: trying to win m v p uh. It was a

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Speaker 6: it was a too too cool for school kind of

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Era and uh And I think with

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Speaker 6: Victor and the Caid Cunninghams and the Jalen Durans, I'm

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Speaker 6: hoping that that we're going to get back to guys

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Speaker 6: competing because they want to compete, because what we got

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Speaker 6: to see was, you know, the unofficial hierarchy when when

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Speaker 6: guys play and they call each other out and they

476
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Speaker 6: go one on one, like that's what we all want

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Speaker 6: to see. We want to see basically a pickup game

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Speaker 6: among the best players in the league, and if they

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Speaker 6: don't play like the care then we don't get to

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Speaker 6: see that. But I look, I was I was flying.

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Speaker 6: I didn't go because I'm not an influencer, so I

482
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Speaker 6: don't go un I was flying so and I was

483
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Speaker 6: in an airport and I was like that commercial where

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Speaker 6: you know, everybody's watching on the guys computer and then

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Speaker 6: they cheer when their flight was delayed. My flight was delayed,

486
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Speaker 6: and I couldn't have been happier because I got to

487
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Speaker 6: watch the rest of the All Star game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, Rick.

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Speaker 1: Rick Buerger guests on with the ACABA Robin Kelvin on

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Speaker 1: this funky flashback Friday.

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Speaker 5: I want to go here.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching right now one of our TV's in here, Rick,

493
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Speaker 1: and I might need some glasses because it's just hurting

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Speaker 1: my eyes watching this Utah Memphis. Oh, it is atrocious

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Speaker 1: and this is this is two thieves are two teams, Rick,

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Speaker 1: we know tanking is happening.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm looking at guys. I can't name one

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Speaker 5: player out there.

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Speaker 1: So now they've put out some thoughts that the NBA

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Speaker 1: may be having flatten lottery odds, two year record location,

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Speaker 1: consecutive top four pick limits, all these things. Just what

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Speaker 1: do you make of the NBA jumping and saying, all right,

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Speaker 1: we know y'all been taking but daggd you tell some

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Speaker 1: other teams.

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Speaker 5: Why'd y'all make it so WAVI is now we got

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Speaker 5: to come out and be hard on you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I honestly, I the great question I have is

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Speaker 6: would they be doing all this? Would there be all

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Speaker 6: this concern if they if they weren't taking gambling money,

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Speaker 6: if they didn't have partners.

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Speaker 5: But to me, that is the.

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Speaker 6: Driving force here because look I've been covering the league

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Speaker 6: for more than thirty years now. My first year in

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Speaker 6: the league Don Nelson. Halfway through the season they had

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Speaker 6: a bunch of injuries and he decided, you know what

516
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Speaker 6: I need, I'm gonna try to get my big man.

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Speaker 6: And his big man was Sean Bradley. That's who we wanted,

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Speaker 6: so he started. This is my first year on the beat.

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Speaker 6: Tim Hardaway has twenty seven points through the three quarters

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Speaker 6: and they're beating the Los Angeles Clippers in LA and

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Speaker 6: he sits Tim Hardaway for the entire fourth quarter and

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Speaker 6: I'm like, and at that time, like you couldn't even

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Speaker 6: say the word tanky like it was. It was just

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Speaker 6: illegal to say thanking. It was also illegal to suggest

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Speaker 6: that there was any gambling connected to the NBA. So

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Speaker 6: that's how much we've changed. But when we asked Nelly

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Speaker 6: what had happened, he said, you know, Tim's knee was

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Speaker 6: acting up, and so we go in in and talk

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Speaker 6: to Tim. We go, so, you know, what's up with

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Speaker 6: your knee, and he didn't know which knee it was

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Speaker 6: bothering you. So my point being, tanking has gone on

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Speaker 6: forever and in obvious ways, but we have more attention

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Speaker 6: on every game, and we have gambling involved in the

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Speaker 6: games now, and so this is really protecting in my mind,

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Speaker 6: this is the NBA protecting their business relationships as opposed

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Speaker 6: to being concerned about the and I'm using air quotes here,

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Speaker 6: the integrity of the game, because gambling has been going

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Speaker 6: on since I covered the league, and the league has

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Speaker 6: grown and developed just fine. The reality is you have

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Speaker 6: smaller markets like Utah, like Charlotte, like Memphis. If they

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Speaker 6: make a financial mistake or if they simply they can't

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Speaker 6: get superstar free agents that they're looking for their next

543
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Speaker 6: cornerstone star, the only way they're going to get one

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Speaker 6: is through the draft. So I'm with Mark Cuban. I

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Speaker 6: really don't have a problem with it. Just don't lie

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Speaker 6: to me, just like, yeah, you know what we are tanking,

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Speaker 6: don't bet on our games, don't don't buy tickets.

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Speaker 5: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad if you said didn't say that, because that's

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Speaker 4: where I have the pushback.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's right for people to spend their

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Speaker 5: money and you're not.

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Speaker 4: If you're not going to try and you're going to

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Speaker 4: say you don't, then you should play in front of

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Speaker 4: empty seats and tell people to come back in five years.

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Speaker 5: I'm dead serious.

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Speaker 4: That's the part I will never accept because people are

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Speaker 4: paying their harder money.

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Speaker 5: It's a fraud. It's a fraud.

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Speaker 6: And I would say, you know, when a team takes

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Speaker 6: that makes that decision, when they make a concerted uh

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Speaker 6: decision that they are going to tank and they're going

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Speaker 6: to try to lose games, then I think there should

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Speaker 6: be some compensation for the fans to say, hey, you

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Speaker 6: know what if you want to discount on a on

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Speaker 6: a ticket next year when when we're ready to go uh,

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Speaker 6: we will happily give that to you. We will, we

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Speaker 6: will give some sort of benefit to you because the

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Speaker 6: reality is it's more valuable for us. But it's more

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Speaker 6: valuable for uh Utah to go get a AJ debonsa

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Speaker 6: kid coming up in their backyard and adding him to

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Speaker 6: the equation than than any than than any other cost

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Speaker 6: it could be, including a five hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Money will never do it right. But it's just the

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Speaker 5: fans that I look out for.

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Speaker 4: I just feel so bad, Rick, because people go to

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Speaker 4: these games, pay five six hundred dollars for tickets, the

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Speaker 4: only one they see players it might be a Christmas

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Speaker 4: gift for something, you know what I mean? And and

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00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: then and then guys aren't playing and all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 4: It is really bad. And I think sometimes we lose

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Speaker 4: sight of that because we get in for free and

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Speaker 4: we're not paying six hundred dollars and it's their little

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Speaker 4: boy's birthday and this is all they wanted.

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Speaker 5: It's painful. I see guys complaining all the time.

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Speaker 6: But consider this, like, where was why wasn't anybody up

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Speaker 6: in arms when the load management stuff happened. Wasn't that impacting?

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Speaker 6: Wasn't that impacting wins and losses? Wasn't that impacting I

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00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 6: don't know the odds of teams winning. Wasn't that impacting

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Speaker 6: the value of that ticket to a fan? And I

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Speaker 6: wasn't hearing the same outcry until now you it has

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Speaker 6: become clear that you know, there's a couple of teams

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Speaker 6: that are they're angling for. And let's keep in mind

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Speaker 6: this particular draft, this draft has sold like this is

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Speaker 6: this from talking to all my people, like this is

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Speaker 6: a generational draft. And if you look at the two

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Speaker 6: teams that that that got fined, the part that makes

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00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: me laugh is they loaded up at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 6: they went and got better. So what they're basically saying

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Speaker 6: is we're primed. We want to get one of the

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Speaker 6: great players out of this draft, and then we're ready

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Speaker 6: to go next year. So this is a this is

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Speaker 6: to me a surgical strike and a one year This

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00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 6: is a special draft. We're going after it. Utah got

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Speaker 6: better adding jar and Jackson and basically took a lot

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Speaker 6: of their future draft assets in order to get Jaron Jackson.

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00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 6: So this is clearly like this is a one year deal.

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Speaker 6: They're planning to go after it next year. And Indiana

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Speaker 6: did the same thing, went out and improved. So I

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Speaker 6: just look, it's maybe I'm a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if it's jaded, or I've just seen it long

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00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 6: enough that it's gone on. And I have a harder

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Speaker 6: time when teams are lying to the media and lying

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Speaker 6: to fans to pretending they're not tanking when it's obvious

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Speaker 6: that they're doing doing it. I'd rather have them just

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00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 6: be out front and say, you know what, let's let's

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Speaker 6: find other ways to improve the fan experience for now,

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Speaker 6: or we'll give you a discount going forward, because this

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Speaker 6: is going to make us a better team, and don't

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Speaker 6: you want a team that's capable of winning markets?

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Speaker 4: And right, here's the last word on it. They could

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Speaker 4: just change the pricing and it should be pay as

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Speaker 4: you exit. You can determine that the game.

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Speaker 5: Hey, that was three dollars worth of game? Hey, is

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Speaker 5: you exit?

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Speaker 6: And this is this is why, this is why people

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Speaker 6: follow you Instagram because hey.

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Speaker 5: I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: They might get money when they leave Rob watching his

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Speaker 1: Utah Memphis game. They might give them some money. Rick,

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Speaker 1: thank you man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: You got it, guys,