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Speaker 2: Trust me. I'm like a swat person. I've never lived

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that one person has all the answers?

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Speaker 3: Don't welcome to trust me? The podcast about cult, extreme

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Speaker 3: belief and the abusive power from two snowflakes who've actually

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Speaker 3: experienced it. I am lo Leablanc.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: We are two snowflakes today interviewing Jitarth Jadeja.

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Speaker 1: He is a former q Andon believer.

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Speaker 3: He's actually Australian, but he became interested in American politics

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Speaker 3: and got knee deep into conspiracy theories until he eventually

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Speaker 3: believed in q the anonymous leader of the q Andon movement,

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Speaker 3: and believed that Trump was saving the world from a

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Speaker 3: ring of evil pedophiles.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going to tell us about how he was

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Speaker 4: having mental health issues when he came to believe in

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Speaker 3: About it, and unfortunately, why he doesn't think QAnon is

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Speaker 3: slowing down anytime soon. So We're just gonna kind of

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Speaker 3: stay on that topic today because this was a big thing.

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Speaker 3: The cultiest thing that happened this week was definitely a

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Speaker 3: bunch of extremists storming the Capitol. There was a violent insurrection.

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Speaker 3: We all know about this by now. It was incited

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Speaker 3: still not YouTube though, right is he banned from Pinterest

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Speaker 3: and not YouTube?

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: I think so, but that seems crazy anyway, It was horrific.

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Speaker 1: It was terrifying and.

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Speaker 3: Also just sad that so many of these people got

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Speaker 1: But it's not funny. It's not funny.

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Speaker 3: It's fucking sad, and it's fucking scary because now everyone's

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Speaker 3: talking about how there are big plans for from the

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think having the guests on today that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: There are a few different kinds of groups that were there.

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Speaker 3: So there are the White supremacists, those motherfuckers who were

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Speaker 3: The cabal of people who run the world, who are

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Speaker 3: this is a lie coming from a person who consistently lies.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is that many grown adults do not

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Speaker 1: And hopefully it won't get worse. But we don't know.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: Who Hello, Jitarth Jajja.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, nice for being here. Thank you, Lola, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For coming on.

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Speaker 3: I am so glad to be talking to you this week. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: this is a very topically relevant group at the moment,

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Speaker 3: we all know there was a violent insurrection at the

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Speaker 3: US Capitol. Can you, as somebody who is a former

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Speaker 6: Sure, So, QAnon is essentially a online conspiracy cult. They

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Speaker 6: follow someone named q Q is an anonymous poster who

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Speaker 6: posts these things called drops. And in these drops, he

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Speaker 6: basically he asked rhetorical questions which allude to almost every

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Speaker 7: Dimensional time travel, and from the UFOs of time travelers

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Speaker 7: as some of the other ones. No, Yeah, that's essentially

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Speaker 5: All right, So tell us a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So obviously you're Australian, yeah right, but you are interested

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Speaker 6: So I went on exchange to the US in twenty

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Speaker 6: So as an economist, I would say that income and

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Speaker 6: So it kind of propagates his idea that you've got

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 6: But like they are real, right, Like they are a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they were like, look theyd it, right.

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Speaker 3: What I think is interesting about conspiracies like that is

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Speaker 6: No, and exactly right, one hundred percent right, So that's

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Speaker 6: what most conspiracies there's there's very hard to have like

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Speaker 8: Mean, essentially God is disconnected individual actors, right, like conforming

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Speaker 6: So one hundred percent like this UFO thing, right, Most

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Speaker 6: there's a media conspiracy against Donald Trump, right, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: for sure, they're biased, Like this is obvious, right, always,

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Speaker 6: You've just got a bunch of people who don't like him,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: The media are only human, they can be wrong, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, and also, I mean he just as far as

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Speaker 3: Whole new animal that I think made everybody feel very

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Speaker 1: Must keep him down together.

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Speaker 3: But it also is important to hold politicians accountable when

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Speaker 1: It's like part of the job of the.

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Speaker 2: Press, for sure. Don Trump is like he's life all

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Speaker 6: Not necessarily Yeah, exaggerates constantly, right, and every now and again,

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Speaker 2: Right, it was great, it was they were the best time,

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Speaker 3: Like you were just feeling like a frustration with your

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Speaker 2: And I felt like my mental stability.

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Speaker 3: Typically people have had some kind of life transition before

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like it's it's it's some kind of

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Speaker 6: happened over time without me noticing, Right, I noticed what

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00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 6: was going on inside my head, and I know, and

443
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 6: I made a conscious decision, all right, when I was

444
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 6: about fifty to fifty with QAnon that I am going

445
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 6: to go all in. I'm going to believe in this, right,

446
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 6: because I want to believe in this. The common thread

447
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 6: with all these conspiracies, like the New World Order, alright,

448
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 6: or some other anti Semitic conspiracy or like space Nazis

449
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 6: or whatever, is that there's always some evil dudes, all right,

450
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 6: or do that's trying to control the world for their

451
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 6: nefarious purposes. There's always they're always bad, right, Like these

452
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: groups are always bad right into whatever. I'm like, dude,

453
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 6: where are the good guys? Like, I don't understand are

454
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 6: they doing anything?

455
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: Why is everyone always bad? Where are the good guys.

456
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: What's going on? Right?

457
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 6: And then you comes along and he's like, oh, yeah, dude,

458
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 6: don't worry if there's an evil syntantic cabal and they're

459
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 6: actually good guys trying to fight them. So I was like, God,

460
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 6: thank God, finally they've got some good guys trying to

461
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 6: do something about these bad guys.

462
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 4: Right, what was that like, first Q drop that hit

463
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 4: you over the seaside?

464
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Speaker 6: Someone asks you on the eight chan image boards, right,

465
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 6: which is like an anonymous image board where you can

466
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 6: make posts and whatnot. It's like the wild wild West

467
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 6: of the Internet, right, Like it's got, it's very hard,

468
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 6: it's don't ever go there. It's like a collection of

469
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 6: everyone who's been banned from every other aspect of the Internet,

470
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 6: like for whatever, like child phonography, like anti semitism.

471
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: Right, like terrorists there the greatest exactly the cream of

472
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: the crop of the crap.

473
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 6: So I want to ask you to get Trump to

474
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 6: say the phrase tip top tippy top shape as kind

475
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 6: of a shout out to the Q community. And then

476
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 6: about four months later, Trump in a speech in front

477
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 6: of the White House, he's talking about the White House

478
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 6: and he goes, oh, look, you know we love the

479
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 6: old girl. We keep her in tip top shape. We

480
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 6: call it tippy top shape. And I'm like, dude, I

481
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 6: saw that, and I was like, whoa dude, Like what

482
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 6: the fuck?

483
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: Right?

484
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 6: Like, that's like, that's a unique phrase. I've never heard

485
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 6: that phrase before, right, Like I felt like that that

486
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 6: was one hundred percent that's proof right there.

487
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: What else do you need?

488
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 6: I'll cycle back to this a little later, because like

489
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 6: there's a reason why that's fuck you. So that was

490
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 6: the first thing that pushed me over the edge, but

491
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 6: it was more. It wasn't any one thing, but it

492
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 6: was like a series of things, like you confirm your

493
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 6: own biases, Like there was a conspiracy theory before.

494
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: That called Pizzagate.

495
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 6: Yes, when Q starts talking about no, Pizzagate's real and

496
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 6: pedophiles and like Donald Trump is fighting them, it confirmed

497
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 6: my own biases, Like I wanted to believe that Donald

498
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 6: Trump was doing something and doing the right thing, which

499
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 6: is why I said, because I was disillusioned with him.

500
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 6: That actually primed me to believe me in Q, because

501
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 6: Q says, no, no, no, Trump's actually doing so.

502
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: Much more than you think.

503
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 6: So he's taking down the whole establishment, which is the

504
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 6: ultimate irony with these Q followers, right like, they are

505
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 6: the most hardcore religious zealot Trump supporters, right like, they

506
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 6: will die for him. People have died for him, and

507
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 6: people are gone to jail. And this was even before

508
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 6: the Capital stormy. So the irony is that they're all

509
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 6: deeply disillusioned with Donald Trump. Really, they're actually deeply disillusioned

510
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 6: because if they think Trump is doing all these things

511
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 6: behind the scenes, they want to think that so much

512
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 6: that they're willing to go for that idea based on

513
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 6: literally like like almost nothing like my tweets, numbers in

514
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 6: tweets connected to this and that and that, like just

515
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 6: the most ridiculous you know that meme of like Charlie

516
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah, we're standing yeah, literally

517
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 6: the stuff, what I do, literally what they do.

518
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: Do you think Q is like one person or do

519
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 4: you think it's a group of people.

520
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 6: I think I think it was one Probably was one

521
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 6: person initially, right, Yeah, I think there was. There was

522
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 6: a study that came out showing some people had done

523
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 6: some about like semantic analysis on Que's writing style, and

524
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 6: it seemed like it was one style at first, and

525
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 6: that it was another distinct style and and it's split

526
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 6: out a time, which is very conveniently correlated with a

527
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 6: kind of logistical civil war within Q. So essentially what

528
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 6: happened was that Q has like a trip code, right,

529
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 6: So it's a password, and it's you that allows him

530
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 6: to be uniquely identified as Q.

531
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Right, because it's an anonymous forum.

532
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 6: So if you want people to know that you're the

533
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 6: same person who wrote these posts or the same person

534
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 6: as future posts, you have to use a specific code.

535
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: Now, the code is not very long.

536
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 6: It's only about eight characters long, and that includes say, numbers, letters,

537
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 6: and symbols, so it's not too hard to break and

538
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 6: just brute force, right, it's get like a random character

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 6: generator and just just pop it in and just just

540
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 6: brute force the password. So Q's password has been leaked

541
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 6: many times, right, It's very funny because like his first

542
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: password was mattlock right for some reason, just Matt Luck.

543
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, okay yeah yeah.

544
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 6: And then so what happened was then you had people

545
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 6: logging into Q's account and posting as Q, but there

546
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 6: were obviously not Q, right. But then Q would also

547
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: pop up using another account saying none, like I'm the

548
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 6: actual queue.

549
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: Right board owner. Who's the board owner.

550
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 6: It's not eight Chan's owner, that's Ron Watkins, the board owner.

551
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: Who's a guy called Paul Fervor. I think he would

552
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: then choose who's the actual queue.

553
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 6: Because he can see which IP is logged in to

554
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 6: which account.

555
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: So there was a bit of controversy.

556
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 6: The theory was that the original queue whose account got

557
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 6: taken over was replaced by a different person, and the

558
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 6: original queue was kind of like just kicked out right,

559
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 6: and the queue that started with this neutrib code is

560
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 6: actually not the original queue.

561
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Oh bis up with.

562
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 6: This DA analysis, the semantic word analysis that came out

563
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 6: just a couple of weeks ago, Like the timing is

564
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 6: exactly the same. Now, that's still not proof, right that

565
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 6: this happened, because that's still a correlation. You got to

566
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 6: have a look at how they did the analysis, like

567
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 6: what would their protocols and things like that.

568
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it makes perfect sense.

569
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 6: So I think there's been at least two q's whether

570
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 6: there's more they could be, But to be honest, like

571
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: I don't think it really matters, is like I generally

572
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 6: don't think it matters. Even if they came out and

573
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 6: said I'm qu a no one would believe them, right,

574
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 6: and b Like, it's just like it doesn't if he cared,

575
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: if it's like Ron Watkins or like you know, Daveo

576
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 6: Dinkam from fucking ULARU or some shit like. It's more

577
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 6: about what Q expouses that I think, right, is the

578
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: main question.

579
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because it all feels very fun, Like

580
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: if I didn't know how harmful these ideas were, I'd

581
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: be like, ooh, there's like a mystery person and you

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: have to like crack the code.

583
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Like that sounds fun as well.

584
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: You know, and it creates a system for a world

585
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: that is in fact very chaotic and very messy and

586
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: very very very unfair most.

587
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Of the time.

588
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct.

589
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: I also wish that there was some person who was

590
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: going to save the world from all the evil.

591
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: That sounds dope, you.

592
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: Know, exactly right.

593
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 6: And that's the most horrific part of it actually is

594
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 6: that it sounds so impearly.

595
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: That's the most insiduous.

596
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 6: Because the main thing about quan On I probably should

597
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 6: have mentioned this when I was explaining I should definitely

598
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 6: should have, is that it's not just about who is Cuban,

599
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 6: what cultures are the most important thing is what they want,

600
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 6: and what they want is something called the Storm and

601
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 6: the Great Awakening. Now what this is is that this

602
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 6: is a period where martial law will be declared.

603
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Military tribunals will.

604
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 6: Be used to put on trial civilians who they think

605
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: of members of the Kabbal, followed by public executions.

606
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: This is exactly what QAnon is.

607
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 6: That is the goal they're working for, and that should

608
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 6: always be mentioned whenever they're being spoken about, which is

609
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 6: why it's really particularly bad that I didn't mention it.

610
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 6: That's the thing, so, like you said, very appealing, right,

611
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 6: and that that's the danger, because this is how you

612
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 6: get good people to do bad things. You've created a

613
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: system whereby the people they just think that these people

614
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 6: of the members of the Kabba, they're evil.

615
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: Right, there's the demons in human skin, you know, they

616
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: eat babies, they drink their blood.

617
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 6: Like they could not be more cartoonishly evil if you tried, right, script,

618
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 6: you could not sell it to.

619
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Speaker 4: Any It's like a guy with a mustache tying babies.

620
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: To the.

621
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly exactly, except not in a comical cartoon form, like.

622
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: In an actual physical grif lay.

623
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 6: And then he took their heads off before him, they

624
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 6: got run over by train for some reason.

625
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Because he's just that evil.

626
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 6: So by creating this like system of belief, you have

627
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: essentially cast your enemies as the most evil people, evil incarnate.

628
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: When you think of your opponent as evil incarnate, there

629
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 6: is nothing you will not do to them that you

630
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 6: will not consider justified. You will watch them burn, and

631
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: you will be happy and celebrate them burning.

632
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Queanon.

633
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 6: People cannot wait for the public executions.

634
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: They're cheering.

635
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 6: I personally, if Charnald Trump had declared martial law, it

636
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 6: would have been the greatest day of my life, right,

637
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: the greatest day. And you think about that for a second,

638
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 6: Martial law like the most fascist, authoritarian form of government

639
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 6: that you could possibly have, And all these people are

640
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: supporting that idea to the point where they want it.

641
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: Can you just describe martial law for anyone who doesn't

642
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: know what Marshall arwm means.

643
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: Sure?

644
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 6: So, martial law is essentially the military takeover of political institutions,

645
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 6: that the military is in charge, the generals are in charge,

646
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 6: and the soldiers are the police. And the reason why

647
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: you say operate police and military is because one protects

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: the people and one fights the state's enemies, and when

649
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: you make the military the police, the enemies of the

650
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 6: state tend to become the people.

651
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: So that's why it's particularly brutal.

652
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 6: And as a result of that, like you really could

653
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 6: not imagine a worse situation. Now, these people are actively

654
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 6: supporting it, right, they actively want this to happen because

655
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 6: they think their opponents are so evil that it's all justified.

656
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 6: And like, this is a thing I knew, and I

657
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 6: always thought at that time that I completely understood what

658
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 6: it meant by the ends not justifying the means. I

659
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 6: completely understood what it meant by the road to hell

660
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 6: is paid for the good intentions. I did not know, Jack,

661
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Speaker 6: because even though I would say at the time I

662
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Speaker 6: still held those virtues to be very close to my heart,

663
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Speaker 6: I still, on the other hand, it was advocating for

664
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 6: a system of military dictatorship, and we're celebrating it and

665
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: would be happy about it. So that's the level of

666
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 6: cognitive dissonance that I had, and I didn't. You know,

667
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 6: people throw out that world a lot, right, it's throughout

668
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 6: like the it's cognitive distance, cognitive dissonance. It's like, dude,

669
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 6: if you have cognitive dissonance. You won't even know you

670
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 6: will have the idea, will never even enter your mind

671
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 6: your universe, and if someone tells you, if someone tells me,

672
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 6: is like, dude, well what you mean, Like, how can

673
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 6: you say that? Ends don't justify the meame. But at

674
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 6: the same time, you want military like tribunals and stuff,

675
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 6: and I'd just be like, I'll do blah blah blah,

676
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: i just blow them off right with hands. I'll do

677
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 6: this so evil, so like you won't even allow that

678
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 6: thought to enter your mind.

679
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm curious about as far as the like whole demon

680
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: sort of superstitious side of that all.

681
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: Did you subscribe to that part?

682
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: Because from my understanding of QAnon, there are a lot

683
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: of sort of disparate connected beliefs and not everyone has

684
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: the same like sort of set of.

685
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: Beliefs, so mine was even crazier. All right, there is

686
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 6: no like Bible of qnon, right, there's no like canon

687
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: of Cudon. Everything in QAnon is just cannon because every

688
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 6: conspiracy you've ever heard, and like I said, something you

689
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 6: haven't can be projected onto Quodon because q doesn't post

690
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 6: like specific things or he didn't used to, right, now

691
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 6: he's very specific like, oh, the Democrats are able, blah

692
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 6: blah blah.

693
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: Right before it was a little bit more vague and

694
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: open ended.

695
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 6: Right, so there is a definite religious aspect to it.

696
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 6: It used to be a little bit more like secular

697
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 6: and apolitical like he did. He was like Republicans and Democrats,

698
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 6: and he didn't really use a religious and spiritual jargon.

699
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 6: But now he's like he started quoting the Bible mentions

700
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 6: God a lot. So there's definitely like a large sway

701
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 6: or swap of QAnon followers are like, you know, Southern

702
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 6: Conservatives and Catholics and Christians because q appeals to them

703
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 6: because he uses Bible versus I wouldn't say I'm religious,

704
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: maybe spiritual, a little bit agnostic, but not in an

705
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 6: atheist way.

706
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: And I looked it.

707
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 6: I don't know, I feel like there could be something else,

708
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 6: you know, then the three dimensions that we see.

709
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I don't know what

710
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: that entails, but it feels like it could be true.

711
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: Right at the time, though I didn't believe in the

712
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 6: whole demon thing, but what I did believe, this is

713
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 6: what I did believe that I've I had this conspiracy theory.

714
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 6: This is how far I was into conspiracy theories before

715
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 6: I found C Right. I genuinely believe that there was

716
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: a race of interdimensional alien birds who were bipedal, who

717
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 6: were trying to save us from these the lack of

718
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 6: a better word, reptilians, right, And I believe that q

719
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 6: was working with military intelligence, because that's what everyone seems

720
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: to believe, the US military intelligence, but that the military

721
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 6: intelligence were working with these Blue Avians. They were called

722
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 6: like you look them up, the still around like Corey

723
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 6: good he's the guy who propagates it, but like yeah,

724
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 6: like the Blue Avians are behind QAnon and like there

725
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 6: was like this UPHO disclosure all right, like the Pentagon

726
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 6: UFO stuff and you know you're there so and space

727
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 6: Force had been announced, right, So I was like, yeah, dude,

728
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 6: for sure, this is like uphone disclosures. The Blue Avians

729
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: like they're going to save us from the reptilian who

730
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 6: are the ones behind the component?

731
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: Wow, so you're you're much more in this sort of

732
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: sci fi version exactly. Wow, that's fascinating. So the birds

733
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: are what they are.

734
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 9: The fifth fifth dimensional all right, higher aliens who have

735
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 9: come to our dimension to stop these other fifth dimensional

736
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 9: aliens from stealing our souls, on our spirit, our.

737
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 6: Energy which crosses dimensions.

738
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: Got it, Damn.

739
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: I wish they were something a little bit sexier than birds.

740
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 10: But okay, my peole, right, Yeah, And I had read

741
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 10: this book about this woman who says that Hillary Clinton

742
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 10: sexually abused it when she was a child.

743
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: I forgot what the name of the book was.

744
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 6: And in that book she stated that George Bush, I

745
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 6: think it was, had a holographic technology that could make

746
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 6: him look like a reptilian, and that the reptilians were

747
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 6: actually humans using holographic technology.

748
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: And I remember, yeah, I know, and I remembered.

749
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 6: That, and I was like, wait a minute, maybe they're

750
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: all human and they're all and this is just like

751
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 6: another layer to the conspiracy.

752
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 10: Ah yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

753
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I can see myself getting so into this.

754
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: Dude, like I feel like you just.

755
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: Did all my work for me, you like fixed it,

756
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 4: and I'm so thankful because like it does sound same,

757
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: but you know, it almost reminds me of like an

758
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: eating disorder or something. You have something that you deal

759
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: with that's uncontrollable, so you fixate on other shit.

760
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 6: It is and that's illustrates the problem with Q and

761
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 6: on is that even if you prove it's fake, right,

762
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 6: even if you get someone out of it, and people

763
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 6: do get out of it, all, the whelming majority of

764
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 6: them will just go deeper into the rabbit hole. They

765
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 6: will just explain it away with one another conspiracy.

766
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: Right, right, right.

767
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: And so the key is like, how do we get

768
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: these people to not just get out of quane on

769
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: deradicalize themselves because it is a radical movement, right, and

770
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 6: how do we get them back to society. So the

771
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 6: first problem is getting them to understand that q is

772
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 6: full of crap. The second thing is getting them back

773
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 6: into society and not further down the rabbit hole, because

774
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 6: if they got further down the rabbit hole, that's not

775
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 6: really good for anyone that might actually be I don't

776
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 6: know if it was. It might be better off from

777
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 6: a society perspective, but it's probably not better from an

778
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 6: individual perspective.

779
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I want to talk about the capital situation.

780
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: And so two of the women who died were heavy

781
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: hardcore QAnon believers, both Ashley Babbitt and also another woman

782
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: who died in Roseanne Boylan, had fallen very deep into it,

783
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: and she fell into it because of the Wayfair conspiracy theory,

784
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: which for anyone who's not familiar, I don't know if

785
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: you guys followed that little moment on the internet last year,

786
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: but it was interesting because I even saw some of

787
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: my own friends sharing it.

788
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 6: Could you explain that to me, because I really am

789
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 6: not across that at all.

790
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: So the furniture website Wayfair, which is an aggregator website

791
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: that other retailers sell their products on. Yeah, somebody discovered

792
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: that one of these retailers and that even that distinction

793
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: was kind of lost, and they were just saying, it's Wayfair,

794
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: it's Wayfair. It's the specific retailer had cabinets listed that

795
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: were like ten thousand dollars, and the same cabinets were

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: listed for like I don't know what the exact number was,

797
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: but maybe like one hundred and fifty dollars elsewhere. But

798
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: this one retailer had all of these furniture pieces that

799
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: were like way way way way, way, way way too

800
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: expensive for what they were, and the names of the

801
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: furniture corresponded to a handful of names of children who

802
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: had gone missing. So basically, the conclusion that people came

803
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: to was wayfair is selling children and they're you know,

804
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: they're doing it in the form of like cabinet, like

805
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: that's that's their cover, doing it in plain sights.

806
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: And people on.

807
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: Twitter there were hundreds of thousands of like retweets on this.

808
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: It was crazy, like people, I know, who are you know, smart?

809
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: Normal people. People started going on a deep dive. They

810
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: would look for all the because each furniture is like

811
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: a name, like a person's name was.

812
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: Like the whole yeah, first name, cabinet or something.

813
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: I think one of the.

814
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: Main one of the main girls was Annabelle, and then

815
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: there was a girl named Annabelle.

816
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: It's a first name. There were dude, what.

817
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: I like.

818
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: The reason I think people got so drawn in by

819
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: that is because some of the names were really really specific.

820
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Names that you don't really hear very often.

821
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: Name you'd want to give you a piece of art

822
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: instead of.

823
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 6: Right.

824
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, and then of course it came out and a

825
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 3: handful of those children that they found the news articles

826
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: about being missing had either been found dead like seven

827
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: years ago, or they were found again and they were

828
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: just like at their friend's house, you know, like some

829
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 3: of them are still missing, but It's just like when

830
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: names are in the news, you're going to find something

831
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: bad that happened to someone, because that's what happens in

832
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: the news.

833
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: It's not like it's it'll be a name that children have.

834
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: It's or like the name will be like Rama Krishnan, right,

835
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 6: like my granddad say, if it was that, then maybe yeah.

836
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 6: Like on top of that, it's like, dude, like why

837
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 6: would they use the same name, Like even sets workers

838
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 6: change their names, right, people have heart to pronounced, Like

839
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 6: you're telling me this criminal kabata to change the person's name.

840
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: Stupid child, awaited child.

841
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 6: That's the thing that's the problem with all these conspiracies,

842
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 6: Like I hate the reason why I haven't heard of

843
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 6: it because I hate conspiracies Now, I actually hate them

844
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: so much, even like Jeffrey actually in Bill Clinton, I'm like, dude,

845
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 6: maybe he just had to catch a flight, bro, maybe

846
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 6: he just.

847
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Needed a ride. Dude, I don't know.

848
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 6: So so now it's like, on one hand, you've got

849
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 6: this organization that is so mcavelian and smart.

850
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: They can do all this stuff.

851
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 6: Right right, but they're so stupid to leave out these

852
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 6: clues and like fucking wide open pick a lane.

853
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, it gives way too much credit

854
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: to the intelligence of human beings. Like people are not

855
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: that fucking smart, and if they are, they wouldn't make

856
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: those mistakes.

857
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Right.

858
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 6: The irony is like the right wing, who are usually

859
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: economically right as well, not just politically right. They're libertarian

860
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 6: to the sense that the reason why they don't believe

861
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 6: in government is they we believed that no one person

862
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 6: can know, like like, for example, a farmer knows exactly

863
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 6: what kind of crupt the plant is farm, right, but

864
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 6: some bureaucrats sitting in the capitol is not going to

865
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 6: know what's the best plant to farm. So as a

866
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 6: result of that, they believe that any centralized power is

867
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 6: inherently inefficient and it's always better to be decentralized. But

868
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 6: at the same time, there's a central kabala people controlling

869
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 6: the world. Your economic belief, you see, you think that

870
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 6: this is impossible.

871
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: But on the same hand, you believe that it's true.

872
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 6: Back to the wayfair thing, like with the cabinets being

873
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 6: a lot more expensive, dude, it's probably money laundry, Like

874
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 6: that's what they do with probably, yeah, laundry to just

875
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 6: run of the middle classic boring money laundry somebody so

876
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 6: very interesting, Like the stolid children thing is way right.

877
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: I know, I saw a variety of theories on like

878
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: actual practical reasons why that might be happening. It's like

879
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: some like bad business practice anyway, whatever, it's wayfair, is

880
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: not trafficking children.

881
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: But one of the women who died and I.

882
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: Noticed that conspiracy in particular when it happened, because I

883
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: was like, is the world going fucking mad?

884
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: Why do people actually.

885
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: Think this is the thing? And one of the women

886
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: who died this week, that's how she got sucked in.

887
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: And a lot of the people who are getting sucked

888
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: in interestingly, and I want to go back to your

889
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: story in a second, but are are not the people

890
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: I would expect to be Trump supporters. It's coming from

891
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: a lot of like there are a lot of sort

892
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: of mommy bloggers and Instagram wellness people getting sucked in

893
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: through the anti vax stuff. I mean, it's really just

894
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: such a broad coalition at this point. It's very scary.

895
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think that now every conspiracy today in

896
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one leads back to QAnon at some point,

897
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 6: any conspiracy, all conspiracies lead back to Quanon.

898
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Because QAnon is like this.

899
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 6: Grand unified theory of conspiracy theories where like all the

900
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories intertwine into one. Right, So, especially with things

901
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 6: like Instagram and influences and wellness, I think they call

902
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: it pastor QAnon right, where you have like just it

903
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 6: seems like it's very nicely colored in pastor blue and yellow, right,

904
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 6: and you have some very very like non offensive like just, oh, is.

905
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: The government lying about the coronavirus? Right? Okay?

906
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 6: And everyone heard Donald Trump lying about it? Who doesn't

907
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: think that.

908
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: On some levels, I'm sure they're lying about something, not

909
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: that it's of course not.

910
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 6: I think that's why a lot of these women tend

911
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 6: to get sort of sucked in to this whole by

912
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 6: the spiritually wellness stuff. And it also feeds into the

913
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 6: whole like vibration and energy, which also has a religious

914
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 6: aspect to it. Right, Really we look fundamentally. I think

915
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 6: the reason why these conspiracy theories are any conspiracy theory,

916
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 6: especially in twenty twenty one now, is so appealing.

917
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: It is because it's in a strange way.

918
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 6: And I know it's a little like antithetical to say this,

919
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 6: but it's like they in a world full of chaos.

920
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: It is much nicer to believe that there is an

921
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 6: organized structure in the world. The idea that there's an

922
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 6: evil cabal controlling things is actually a much more appealing

923
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 6: idea than the world is just chaotic and we're just

924
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: you know, pieces of meat running around just speeding through space. Right,

925
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 6: because there is that means that bad things are happening

926
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 6: for a reason, and if we can stop the bad people,

927
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 6: bad things can stop happening.

928
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Right, So there's an element of control there.

929
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: And that is I think more appealing, even if it's

930
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 6: the bad guys who are in power, then the chaotic

931
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 6: universe that we tend to live in or we do

932
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 6: live in.

933
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

934
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean it's the same reason people turn to religion,

935
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: and it's just another more harmful version of that.

936
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that taken to the end power Yeah, right, Yeah.

937
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that you would have been at the

938
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Capitol this week?

939
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: Dude?

940
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Wow?

941
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 6: Like, dude, I would have flown over, like like I

942
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 6: was ready to join the military.

943
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: Right.

944
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 6: You know how people always ask themselves. Everyone always ask themselves.

945
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 6: It's like, dude, if I was in Nazi Germany, you.

946
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: Know, what would I do?

947
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 6: And everyone's like everyone wants to think, and they do

948
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 6: think that, you know, they'd be like saving and franking.

949
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: Right, right, doing whatever?

950
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 6: Right.

951
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

952
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, the problem is due, I do know, and I

953
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 6: know that fuck I would have been a goddamn Nazi. Yeah,

954
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: if I'm Nazi Germany, And that idea is very disturbing

955
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: to me to this day. And the idea that I

956
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 6: would advocate for some like Marshal Boy military child public executions.

957
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 6: I don't even like the death penalty, right, And if

958
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 6: Hillary had been strung up by like, you know, by

959
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 6: a fucking rope, I would have been cheering. And I'm like, dude,

960
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 6: that's so messed up. This is so messed up. So

961
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: like that's the real danger, like I said of cure

962
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 6: not It's like, this is how you get good people

963
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 6: to do bad things.

964
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: That's why the capital building happened, that storming happen. And

965
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: they don't look at it as like it's a bad thing.

966
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 2: They look like it as a great moment.

967
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Well, they think they're fighting evil.

968
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, Correct, that's what everyone thought.

969
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, people have to be responsible for what they do,

970
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: they have to be responsible for the choices that they make.

971
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: But the people who.

972
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 3: Are doing it are convinced that they are the good

973
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 3: guys and what they're fighting is evil.

974
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: That's and that's the dirty little secret of humans. Right.

975
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they're the good guy.

976
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and everyone thinks the other people are evil. The

977
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 6: Nazis did not think they were any less good than

978
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 6: the Allies thought that were less good. The Japanese didn't

979
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 6: think that they were any less good than the Allies either, Right.

980
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 6: If Nazi Germany had won, the Allies would have been

981
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: cast as Nazi Germany. Hitler would be like fucking you

982
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 6: know JFK. Maybe even like cross with Mao Zedong when

983
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 6: you see that happening, right, when you stop looking at

984
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 6: your opponent as human, right, not fundamentally evil or good,

985
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 6: just as human.

986
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 2: Right.

987
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying they're not all evil people, Let's

988
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 6: I think definitely.

989
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: Sociopaths and psychopaths, right.

990
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 6: Are probably the closest to evil as you could get,

991
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 6: but only because they don't really have the ability to empathize, right,

992
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 6: So they don't they don't care about good and evil, right,

993
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: And no, I'm not doing I hate them.

994
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: I don't like them at all.

995
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: I've known a few of them.

996
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 6: I don't like them, But having said that, like you said,

997
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 6: you still have to look at them as human. Like

998
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 6: it's so easy to fall into this trap, right, it's

999
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 6: very human. That's the problem here is that we like

1000
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 6: everyone wants to blame but not really like we have

1001
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 6: to blame ourselves, but we don't.

1002
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: Can't only blame ourselves.

1003
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 6: There's kind of similar to your point, the where you're like, dude,

1004
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: and what where's the line between individual agency and like

1005
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 6: external manipulation? Like where's the line? There is no line.

1006
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 6: It's blood, right, it depends. I guess the line is

1007
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 6: the law, you know. I guess that's what we've decided

1008
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 6: to community as a society.

1009
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: Right, the line is actually committing the crime. I mean,

1010
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: but I mean that's a whole other topic because I

1011
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: don't personally think our punitive justice system is one that works.

1012
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: So that's that's a whole other.

1013
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: But for now, of course, the system we have is

1014
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: what we're dealing with, and violence should never be tolerated.

1015
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: Obviously, you're trucking a guy who was smoking weed in

1016
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 6: jail for two years, a bunch of hardcore criminals.

1017
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: What do you think is gonna have it?

1018
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: So let's go back to you.

1019
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: So, actually, first of all, tell us about how you

1020
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: started talking to your dad about it.

1021
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my dad, ironically, my dad was the only

1022
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 6: person I knew that had said Donald Trump was gonna win.

1023
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 6: And he said this like a year before he won, right,

1024
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 6: And I'm like, dude, shut up, blah blah blah, and

1025
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 6: like Donald Trump won and I'm like damn.

1026
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: And the thing is, my dad has always been a

1027
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: bit of a conspiracy theorist.

1028
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 6: Right, a little bit like that contrarian, kind of like

1029
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 6: old dismissive, like Indian guy. He I have very different people,

1030
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 6: so we don't really see eida eye on anything except

1031
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 6: we discussed politics, alike, that's the only thing we can

1032
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 6: actually discuss because we're not too far misalive on that.

1033
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: So that's how it started. But I used to talk

1034
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: to my dad about politics. Then when I.

1035
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 6: Found out a qan, no, I started telling him stuff,

1036
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 6: and I tried to talk to other people about it.

1037
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: Right, no one wanted to hear it. No one wanted

1038
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: to listen, right, like, dude, shut up.

1039
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 6: And it's also my fault as well, because I could

1040
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 6: not not talk about it. I was obsessed with it.

1041
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 6: I could only talk about q and on every conversation,

1042
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 6: I would have to bring it back to this conspiracy theory, right,

1043
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 6: talking about why the post is late, right, Like you know,

1044
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: there's a lot of lizards around here today, right, I

1045
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 6: found connected back. So no one wanted to talk to me,

1046
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 6: but my dad did. And my dad listened to every

1047
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 6: single thing I had to say for hours at a time,

1048
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 6: all right, And he listened very intentively. And I liked

1049
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 6: the idea that my dad was respecting what I had

1050
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 6: to say. I liked that idea. It was very It

1051
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 6: was very sweet, right in a way, like sickly sweet, right,

1052
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 6: like like.

1053
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: Pure honey or something. It was like ambrosia. I just

1054
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: I told him everything. You and I would discuss it

1055
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: for so.

1056
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 6: Long and for hours and hours, for days, weeks, months, right,

1057
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 6: And like.

1058
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: He started watching his stuff on his own, and he

1059
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: come to me.

1060
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 6: He comes to me asking for advice and looking at

1061
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 6: me like a subject matter expert. He never does that

1062
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 6: for anything, all right, for anything, even though there's so

1063
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 6: many things I know more than my dad. So when

1064
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 6: he did that with qan On, it was very Yeah,

1065
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 6: I liked it a lot. So I kept telling him

1066
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 6: stuff and stuff that I thought was true.

1067
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: My dad still believes in it, oh man.

1068
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 6: And to the point where he believes in it so

1069
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 6: much that he thinks that the kebal is using me

1070
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 6: to get to him.

1071
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 10: Oh, we're actually not speaking at the moment we had

1072
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 10: like we had an argument.

1073
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 6: It wasn't quan on related, like we can't talk about

1074
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 6: politics anymore, like all, which is actually like considering all

1075
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 6: like you've got so many people who have lost people,

1076
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 6: like people have gone divorced, right, children have been kicked

1077
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 6: out of their house. You know, someone made a post

1078
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 6: about her aunt's committing suicide, like best friend lifelong best

1079
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 6: friends being ripped the pot.

1080
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: So in that's context, me and my dad.

1081
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 6: Not talking being able to talk about politics is really

1082
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 6: not that big of a deal right the ranks. But

1083
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 6: on the other hand, it's like we just don't talk anymore,

1084
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 6: and like right now.

1085
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: We're not talking.

1086
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 6: I don't know. I've tried to convince him, like I've

1087
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 6: tried more than anyone, but I cannot do it, and

1088
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 6: I can. I feel very guilty, Yeah, right, I feel

1089
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 6: very guilty.

1090
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: I feel like in some way this is.

1091
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 6: Like kind of my penance, right because I have to

1092
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 6: find a way to radicalize him. I have to because

1093
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 6: I did this to him. Right for me, he never

1094
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 6: would have found out about q Andon never. He doesn't

1095
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 6: go on the internet. He barely uses his phone, right,

1096
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 6: he just watches YouTube, and shit.

1097
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: He might have found it.

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00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: My dad has a surprising number of people who are

1099
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: not tech savvy, who are starting to pedal conspiracy theories

1100
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: in a way that would never have happened.

1101
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: Five years ago.

1102
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: Maybe I like to think that.

1103
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: I mean, if he was our sort of inclined toward

1104
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, I think it's definitely passing.

1105
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 6: Well, can you stop talking, Let me feel sorry for myself.

1106
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: A tragic figure, Yeah, some sort of tragic Q like Romeo.

1107
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think you're right. And given

1108
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: that he was into conspiracies, the way I got out

1109
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: of it was like, there's not a coincidence that.

1110
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 6: As my mental health and social isolation improved, I started

1111
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 6: to question.

1112
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: Q a lot more.

1113
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 6: I started reintegrating myself back to society with my friends.

1114
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 6: I got treatment for my ADHD and then got diagnosed

1115
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 6: and got treatment for my bipolar. I have fleb C

1116
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 6: as well, but that was always kind of being treated.

1117
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 6: So as that improved, it was social isolation improved. I

1118
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 6: started to question Q a lot more because I'm like, dude,

1119
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 6: all these predictions that he makes are always wrong. They're

1120
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 6: always wrong, like everything from dcasification to eleven eleven, which

1121
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 6: was the day Trump was supposed to have his military

1122
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 6: parade right to whatever. It's always wrong about everything about

1123
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 6: sessions John Durham, Right, Durham is coming, the Durham investigation.

1124
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 6: And then I started to ask myself, It's like why,

1125
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 6: Like I still believe this is true, but why? And

1126
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 6: I came back and I narrowed it down to like

1127
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 6: that tip top tippy top shape thing.

1128
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: I went and I tried to look for.

1129
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, let me try, and I typed

1130
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: into duc doc go because I was so paraod.

1131
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: I was using duc duc Go, not Google.

1132
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.

1133
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 6: So that's like a search engine that's supposedly anonymous and

1134
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 6: doesn't track you, got it. But it's also worse than

1135
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 6: Google because it's like if I type like torrents on Google, right,

1136
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 6: I won't get any torrent website.

1137
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: Start typing torrents on that dot.

1138
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 6: Go, I'll get a lot of them, right, Not that

1139
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 6: I would ever type in torrents. Yeah, I typed in

1140
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 6: like Q and on tip top tippy top shape like

1141
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 6: false or like fake or something right, And then I

1142
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 6: came across his YouTube video and only had like a

1143
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 6: thousand views, and it like the production quality wasn't great varies,

1144
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 6: but it was a two part video and essentially it

1145
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 6: was showing that first off, the same person who pointed

1146
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 6: out that Donald Trump had said the phrase tiptop tippy

1147
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 6: top shape was the same person who asked for it

1148
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 6: to be said. Right now, you can say that that's

1149
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 6: like that's reasonable because they were on the lookout, but

1150
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 6: it's like it's still a pretty big coincidence. Okay, like

1151
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 6: it was four months later, dude, it's anonymous, but Maine.

1152
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 6: More than that, the video points out that that is

1153
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 6: just something that Donald Trump says. That's like a personal

1154
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 6: catchphrase of his, the same way I say Jesus Christmas. Right,

1155
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 6: So it's just he says, he says it all the time, well,

1156
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 6: tiptop tippy top shape. And on top of that, the

1157
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 6: day was requested was the date before the State of

1158
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 6: the Union in a speech. So the thing that really

1159
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 6: got me wasn't that this was like fake or whatever.

1160
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 6: The thing that really got me was like, no, dude,

1161
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 6: it was requested the day before the State of the

1162
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 6: Union speech, which means.

1163
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: That someone was hoping he would say that in.

1164
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 11: That speech, right, And on top of that, that means

1165
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 11: someone would have a had to identify that as something

1166
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 11: Donald Trump says.

1167
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 6: Secondly, use that in a way to preempt to preempt

1168
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 6: what he's going to say as a proof of cues authenticity,

1169
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 6: knowing that everyone will not go deeper than one level

1170
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 6: of investigation, right. And I'm like this, I'm like, I

1171
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 6: know exactly the kind of person who would do that,

1172
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 6: who could do that in the first place, and that's

1173
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 6: a sociopath. Sociopaths and they know people better than they

1174
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 6: know themselves. I'm not being hyperbolic, they really do. But

1175
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 6: they also know how to manipulate you. And I'm like this,

1176
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 6: just the fact that it was used as manipulation, right,

1177
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 6: but you could see the manipulation. I was like, dude,

1178
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 6: I was being I've been manipulated here, and if I've

1179
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 6: been manipulated here in this way, who knows how many

1180
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 6: other ways I've been manipulated in Who knows, I'll never know.

1181
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 6: And at that point, I was like, dude, oh my god,

1182
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 6: I was this is wrong, right, something like the manipulating you.

1183
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 6: It's obviously wrong, it's obviously not true. Why would they

1184
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 6: manipulate you otherwise? And from that point on, I was

1185
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 6: like I completely disavowed every conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

1186
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: I was like, there is because I was so sure.

1187
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 6: About c I was more sure than anything right, and

1188
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 6: I was so wrong, Like I could not have been

1189
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 6: more wrong. And it's not like I was wrong about

1190
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 6: the weather.

1191
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: I was wrong about something.

1192
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 6: So overtently ridiculous and stupid.

1193
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: So how long was this process between like this moment

1194
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: where you see this and like realizing sort of it

1195
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: all breaking open.

1196
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 6: It happened in like a second, right wow, Like it

1197
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 6: was just like when people say that they felt like

1198
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 6: the world would come crashing down.

1199
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: That's what it felt like.

1200
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 6: Like nothing physical happened, but imagine imagine if your world

1201
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 6: physically like came crashing down on you, like your house,

1202
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 6: the sky, right, like you know, whatever, how you would

1203
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 6: mentally react in that situation, like the disorientation, the dizziness,

1204
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 6: the shock, the horror, right, the confusion.

1205
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: That's what happened.

1206
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 6: So I had that mental reaction without that physical reaction

1207
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 6: taking place.

1208
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: And I was like why, Like my mind was just blown.

1209
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 6: I was just like I was in a state of shock, right,

1210
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 6: it was almost paralyzed, and like I didn't know what

1211
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 6: to do. So I went outside and I had a cigarette, right,

1212
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 6: And I was just standing there having a cigarette because

1213
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 6: that's the only thing I could think.

1214
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know to do right now,

1215
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: Like what do I do do? What do I do

1216
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: with my hands? What do I do with my feet?

1217
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: Do I do I do I blink? Right?

1218
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 6: Like that's how like broken I was in regard to

1219
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 6: what to think and what to do. And I went outside,

1220
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 6: I said, said, okay, let me start small.

1221
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: Have a cigarette.

1222
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 6: And then I was like, I don't know how do

1223
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 6: I trust my thoughts and feelings anymore? Like how do

1224
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 6: I even trust the thoughts and feelings I'm having about

1225
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 6: not being able to trust my thoughts and feelings? Like,

1226
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 6: and then I was standing there and I was like, okay,

1227
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 6: start small, start with the most basic, basic, basic thing.

1228
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: Right, you were wrong? I was wrong? Okay, I was wrong. Okay.

1229
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 6: Now, at the same time, I had been visiting like

1230
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 6: this anti q subreddee, which is like cult with a

1231
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 6: que underscore headquarters on Reddit and just to see what

1232
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 6: the other guys were saying the opposite side were saying right,

1233
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 6: And I was like, okay, I was wrong.

1234
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: Do you guys were right? If I was right, I

1235
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: would want to know that I was right. So what

1236
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: I need to do now is go tell them that

1237
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: they were correct. Right. That was the only thing I

1238
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: could think of doing.

1239
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 6: Right, to go inside, get a glass of water, and

1240
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 6: tell them that they were correct. Five minutes after I

1241
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 6: made that realization, I I wrote a poet on that

1242
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 6: subreddit and I was just like, look, you guys were right.

1243
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 6: But it also wasn't just like an altruistic thing. I

1244
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 6: was also incredibly I felt like I deserved some kind

1245
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 6: of punishment, right. I felt like I needed to be

1246
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 6: punished right for being so stupid and so wrong and

1247
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 6: yet thinking I was so smart and so right. And

1248
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 6: I was like, this deserves some punishment. So I was

1249
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 6: half expecting, also and half hoping that people would just

1250
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 6: like land blast me right, like with me the shreds right,

1251
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 6: And I was like, if anyone was going to do

1252
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 6: it, it be these.

1253
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: Guys right and be exact opposite.

1254
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 6: Happened the exact opposite, to the point where there was

1255
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 6: like over one hundred and one hundred and fifty comments

1256
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 6: on that post.

1257
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: Every single one of them was supportive.

1258
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 6: And it wasn't just like, oh, dude, don't worry, everyone

1259
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: makes mistakes, move on, right. It wasn't like that kind

1260
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 6: of like support. It was like, dude, listen, welcome to

1261
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 6: the world as it is. We are happy to have

1262
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 6: you here. Better you be here with us than over

1263
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 6: there with cube.

1264
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Right. There was one post that.

1265
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 6: Was that was negative, and it wasn't even that bad.

1266
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 6: It was just someone saying, I, like, you're an idiot,

1267
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 6: and I'm like, dude, I know. And those guys I

1268
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 6: was broken and they kind of put me back together again.

1269
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: They gave me permission.

1270
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 6: They gave me permission to like have retain some sense

1271
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 6: of dignity and just try and learn from this mistake

1272
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 6: and own this mistake.

1273
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: Right.

1274
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 6: And it wasn't for them, I don't know where I

1275
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 6: would be. I might not even be here.

1276
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so, I mean, there's a story.

1277
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 6: It's not a story I would think would ever happen,

1278
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 6: especially like a positive story on Reddit.

1279
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: Right happened. It definitely does happen, But I'll always be

1280
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: grateful to those guys for sure. So that was in

1281
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: June twenty nineteen.

1282
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 6: And then about almost a year later, exactly June twenty twenty,

1283
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 6: a journalist contacted me. I'm asking if I wanted to

1284
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 6: tell my story, could remain anonymous, and I'm like, dude, no, right,

1285
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 6: Like I didn't get back to her for like a month,

1286
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 6: and I'm like, dude, fuck that shit.

1287
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Fuck that noise?

1288
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 6: But I don't want to be known as like the

1289
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 6: world's biggest idiot. My mom was like, you know, you

1290
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 6: can do it anonymously.

1291
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 11: I'm like, dude, but there's no pony doing it anonymously

1292
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 11: because if I'm going to do it, I have to

1293
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 11: go on the record, because otherwise it'd be too easy

1294
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 11: for any person who follows you to dismiss it, like

1295
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 11: some anonymous dude says.

1296
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, shut up right, Like no, no one's

1297
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: gonna believe that.

1298
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 6: And then like a month later, I just I was

1299
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: just like read because I read that post every now

1300
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 6: and again just to read the comments, just to remind myself, right.

1301
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 6: And they only asked me to do one thing, and

1302
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 6: that was tell my story. That's all I asked, all right,

1303
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 6: They didn't ask me to do anything else.

1304
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: They just asked me to tell my story. And I

1305
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: was like, man, I owe these guys, Like for sure,

1306
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: I owe these guys. And they asked me to do

1307
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 2: one thing. I have to do it. And I thought

1308
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,479
Speaker 2: about it, talked over with.

1309
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 6: My friends and family, you know, talking about how this

1310
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Speaker 6: could affect job prospects and you know, relationships and things

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 6: like that, and like you can't really know these things.

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: It could be worse, could be better, it could be

1313
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: the same, right, So at the end of the day,

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, I fuck it whatever,

1315
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: like cares dude. And also I.

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 6: Felt like this was a big burden on me, like

1317
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 6: this was my greatest shame, like from the worst thing

1318
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 6: I've ever done in my entire life.

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: I was deeply ashamed.

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Speaker 6: So I felt like if I can just be honest,

1321
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 6: like then, if I can just be honest about this

1322
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 6: and confess and tell people that yes, I believed in this,

1323
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 6: that would remove its power over me in regards to

1324
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 6: having the shame, because in a way QAnon was still affecting.

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01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: My life right right, And in a way it's still

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: kind of affecting my life. Right.

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01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 6: I can now talk about it all the time, but

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 6: it doesn't have the same mental effect. It's not that

1329
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 6: mental weight that's dragging me down. I like talking about it.

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 6: I like talking about it to you guys.

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting. People have really good questions.

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Speaker 3: Tell us how you've been trying to help your dad,

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: and also, do you have any advice for people who

1334
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: have loved ones who are stuck in Quton.

1335
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 6: The way I found to try and get him back

1336
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 6: to normal is that I didn't make the issue cute on.

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01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't care about cute on. Forget about

1338
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 6: the politics. Shit, right, your behavior is unacceptable. You can't

1339
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 6: go out when we're going talking to our neighbors at

1340
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 6: a party and drone on and on and on for

1341
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 6: forty five minutes with some poor lady who just asked

1342
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 6: you how your day was going, telling her about fucking reptile.

1343
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: You can't do that that it's unacceptable.

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01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 6: That's the advice I would give to people who know

1345
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 6: people who are inflicted by this, that forget about the politics.

1346
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: And the quanon all right, forget about it.

1347
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 6: I know it's hard to accept, but just accept that

1348
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 6: for now, this is what they believe right, make the

1349
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 6: issue their behavior, like qunon has nothing to do with

1350
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 6: the fact that you spent the last week, you know,

1351
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 6: watching YouTube videos and you haven't taken the dog for

1352
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 6: a walk, or you haven't like you know, called back

1353
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 6: your accountant, or you missed your child's soccer game on

1354
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 6: the weekend, and that has nothing to do with QAnon.

1355
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: You just real blah blah blah. It's gonna take that

1356
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: in the comma. Great, Are you gonna watch the dishes?

1357
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: ISQ gonna do my dishes?

1358
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 6: That's the advice I would give to someone, is I

1359
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 6: make the issue the behavior.

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01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 4: Do you think this is about to like ramp up

1361
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 4: a ton or maybe start kind of settling down.

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 6: I think we're way past the simmering downstage. We're way

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 6: part if we hit critical mass already. Yeah, Cole of

1364
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 6: riots were like the result of that and all these

1365
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 6: bannings and stuff. Dude, this is only increasing Q followers, right,

1366
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 6: Like I've been scoping out a few q forums here

1367
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 6: and there, and like the mass exodus of regular Trump

1368
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 6: supporters who are now converting into full on cultures is massive,

1369
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 6: is massive, And the problem with the censorship. I'm not

1370
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 6: saying that you shouldn't sensit these guys liked, but you

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 6: should have censored Sydney Powell and fucking Linwood, Right, you

1372
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 6: should have censored them three months ago, Like, what are

1373
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 6: you doing censoring them now?

1374
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: You should have kicked Donald Trump off years.

1375
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 6: Ago if you were going to do it, He's already

1376
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 6: reached that critical mass stage. It is important to reach

1377
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 6: out to these people with empathy and sympathy like it

1378
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 6: really is in the sense that it could happen to anyone. Right,

1379
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 6: there's not a typical profile of someone who falls.

1380
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: Into a cult. There's no typical profile.

1381
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 6: There can be high a q I, high empathy, low empathy,

1382
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 6: ugly attractive men, women, it doesn't matter. So as a

1383
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 6: result of that, we have to reach out to them

1384
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 6: as if they're human. But at the same time, they

1385
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 6: need to accept that they were wrong. You can't forgive

1386
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 6: someone until they come to you say that they were wrong.

1387
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: Right, and if they are wrong, forgive them.

1388
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 6: If they asked to forgiveness for the same thing thirty times,

1389
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 6: then maybe you shouldn't, But like the first time you

1390
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 6: have forgive them, dude, Forgiveness is a.

1391
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: Very powerful act.

1392
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 6: I think the only way to get rid of it

1393
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 6: is like accept that they're human, But then they also

1394
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 6: have to accept that what they're doing and what they're

1395
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 6: advocating for.

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 2: The cure is worse than the disease. But did I

1397
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: don't blame anyone who doesn't do that.

1398
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 6: Now I have to be blame someone I thought the

1399
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 6: same thing, right, How could I blame someone for making

1400
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 6: the same exact mistake that I did just because I

1401
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 6: was lucky enough by a sequence of events to like snap.

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: Out of it like that. That wasn't like I do that.

1403
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: That kind of just happened, right right.

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a much larger conversation that we probably

1405
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: don't have time for today. But the question of the

1406
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: question of free will and how much of the choices

1407
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: that we make is just really determined by the outside environment,

1408
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 3: interacting with our genes, interacting with the whatever, you know.

1409
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: I tend to err on the side of empathy just

1410
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 3: because I'm I have seen how easy it is for

1411
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: people to fall prey to things that later on they're like,

1412
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 3: what the fuck.

1413
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: Was I thinking? That's not me at all.

1414
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 3: But it's the right time, the right confluence event at

1415
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: the right time. I guess it depends on how much

1416
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: dock you put into free will. But personally, I think

1417
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: we're all a collection of reactions, I think.

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 6: But I think if you're going to take an opinion,

1419
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 6: that's the best opinion to take.

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: Thank you.

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 6: I agree, That's that's actually what I think too, right, Like,

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 6: I think it's a feedback loop. We project our internal

1423
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 6: conflicts onto the society. Society then takes those and brings

1424
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 6: it back to us, and then it just goes round

1425
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 6: and round and round.

1426
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: And but more than anything, you have to give.

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 6: Them an incentive to come back, right, right, Like, if

1428
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 6: there's no incentive, if you're just gonna really kill them

1429
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 6: and make fun of them, and that is fun, like

1430
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 6: I've done it, whatever, anything, moderation, but like, fundamentally, when

1431
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 6: push comes to dude, yeah, you've got to give them

1432
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 6: an incentive. Otherwise what's their incentive exactly? I don't have

1433
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 6: the disrespected, the ripped of the dgity, the ego is

1434
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 6: completely shredded.

1435
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: There's no incentive for them to come back, and they won't.

1436
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: Right.

1437
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: And obviously that doesn't mean that if somebody commits an

1438
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 3: act of violence they shouldn't face consequences for it. Of

1439
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: course they should but that is a separate thing from

1440
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 3: someone who just has fallen down a rabbit hole and

1441
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 3: needs a little bit of help coming out of it.

1442
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 4: Well, I hope you can turn some of that forgiveness

1443
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 4: back on yourself, because you deserve it.

1444
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying.

1445
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 4: I think it's really important what you're doing. So thank you.

1446
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: I do too. Do you have any like social media

1447
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: you'd like to shout out or anything like that.

1448
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess like I have Facebook. Please don't contact

1449
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 6: me on Facebook, all right, but yeah, just find me

1450
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 6: on Twitter. It's just as you talk and aja. I

1451
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 6: have the glorious number of one hundred and sixty followers,

1452
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 6: which I'm happy with. By the way, if I never

1453
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 6: want another follow I'll be like due one hundred and

1454
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 6: sixty people want to listen to the clap I have

1455
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 6: to say what Wait?

1456
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: Was I one hundred and sixtieth actually growing?

1457
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1458
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you say for us?

1459
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1460
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: It's at J I T A R T H J

1461
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 2: A D E J perfect.

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on and.

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 6: Thank you guys too, like, thank you for talking about this.

1464
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: This is really important stuff.

1465
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: Oh man, what a time?

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Megan, time for the question. Oh boy, Okay, I'm

1467
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 3: gonna phrase it in a specific way though. Okay, so

1468
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: would you join QAnon from the lens of this sort

1469
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: of wellness, anti vaxer all organic food like Jake and

1470
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 3: jelly perspective?

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 4: Fuck?

1472
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 2: No.

1473
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 4: However, I can very much see myself getting involved in

1474
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory that I did a lot of research

1475
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 4: on and came to believe was true. I haven't done

1476
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 4: that yet, but mostly because I hate research.

1477
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: What do you think would be the kind that would

1478
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: get you.

1479
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 4: Aliens right at the tip of my tongue. I mean,

1480
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 4: I think mostly everyone is starting to agree that aliens

1481
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 4: are real. But you know, they could say like they're

1482
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 4: living among us and the government's been hiding it from us,

1483
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 4: and there's one in your basement, and I would be.

1484
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: Like, that's true, that's absolutely true.

1485
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 4: And maybe aliens is a bad example because they are

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 4: so normalized now. But just like I do, think our

1487
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 4: government lies about absolutely everything it can, and I can

1488
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 4: see myself, you know, getting stuck on an issue that

1489
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 4: maybe isn't as black as and white as.

1490
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: It seems totally.

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there have been real government conspiracies and

1492
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: Jatarthan made a great point when he's like how it

1493
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 3: can be hard to tell the difference. Yes, yes, but

1494
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: that's why we look for evidence.

1495
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that'll that all thing.

1496
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: And we trust.

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 3: We look for trusted sources who are not random anonymous

1498
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,520
Speaker 3: posters on the internet.

1499
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 4: Amen.

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01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if I was cue?

1501
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 4: I would be so confused. I want to know who

1502
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 4: it is so badly.

1503
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's some strong hypotheses about who

1504
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 3: it is and it's just like a like that a

1505
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: chan guy or whatever, right or four chance? I can't

1506
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 3: remember some chan it's a chan guy, a chan man,

1507
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: But I just want to know, like what what is

1508
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 3: the motivation? Like do they believe it or they must

1509
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 3: believe it? Right, yeah, they must believe it.

1510
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1511
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 3: Well anyway, Uh, I hope you all are like breathing

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: through this week and not not too overwhelmed. It is

1513
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 3: an overwhelming time, but we are here for you.

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 5: That's why.

1515
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 4: We are here for you, and you just need to

1516
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 4: remember to follow your gut, watch out for red flags,

1517
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: and never ever trust me, my b