WEBVTT - 28 Years Later: Our first reactions 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.840 Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for twenty eight years later, 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:27.840 the latest edition in Danny Boyle's Fast Zombie Infected Saga. Hello, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.479 my name is Jason Cooncepcion Mersey Night, and welcome back 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.640 to X ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.520 It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Company 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.840 over by our podcast where we'll bring to you three 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.000 episodes a week. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.240 Hub plus news. In today's episode, we're jumping into the 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.479 quarantine zone where I should already be because apparently all 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.240 English people are in the quarantine zone and we are 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:59.920 recapping twenty eight years later. Bomp, bomp. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.160 Let's talk about it, Rosie. The first thing I want 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.520 to ask you is what kind of English accents are these? 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.800 They feel kind of a little Liverpudlian. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.240 Well, okay, so it is. I think I believe from 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.360 what we see at the beginning, they are somewhere in Scotland, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.040 so I think you're getting like northern accents, Northern Scottish, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.880 some Scottish. I was impressed by Aaron Taylor Johnson specifically, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.120 I felt like he was doing a great accent. It 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:34.080 feels like the kid's accent was was definitely like his 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.080 own accent. He was doing a great job. The kid 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.120 who played Spike. And then obviously Jodi Comer is a 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.520 famous liver Pudley and I believe so I think that 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:48.800 her accent was also a correct accent. I'm I'm very 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:56.160 interested about the choice to tell the story in this 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:03.080 isolated little ta I have been so much interesting stuff. Okay, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.640 what do you want to do? You want to off 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.840 the dome recap it together? And then they go off 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.360 about Okay, not that much, but there's a lot to 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.200 talk about, like psychologically, and. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.959 Yeah, well we'll we'll plot it out and then we'll 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.880 do a quick off the dom recap and then we 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.720 will we'll really kind of dig in. So okay, we 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.680 open on a cold open of the spreading infection that 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.400 is now spreading to this part of the UK, which, 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.040 as you mentioned, appears to be in northern England, somewhere 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.560 towards the border of Scotland, and we watch as a 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.720 family home where a bunch of it seems like either 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.040 an extended family or a lot of different families from 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:52.000 the community have been sheltering and we watch this house 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.720 get overrun. We watch this young boy escape the house. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.200 He runs to a nearby church where his dad is 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.240 the pre east and he says, Dad, what's going on? Like, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.440 what's going on? His dad says, well, it's judgment day. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.160 It's it's awesome, this is great. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.880 Here take a day to be judged, a. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.160 Beautiful day to be judged. Here, take my cross. He 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.119 takes off the golden cross necklace, hands it to his son. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.000 His son hides in this like little cell, like under 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.960 a grate under the floor. The infected Russian. They overwhelm 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.720 his father, who turns into an affected as well, and 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.440 then we flash forward to twenty eight years later. Done 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.520 this dun dun duh. This community that lives on a small, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:39.840 very very small maybe maybe three mile square or something 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:45.080 like that island that is I don't know, three hundred 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.160 yards off the coast and connected by a very very 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:55.760 small narrow causeway that is only available for like four hours, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.720 five hours a day when the tide is low. This 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:04.280 community is completely self sufficient, and in this community lives 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:10.840 Jamie Aaron Taylor Johnson, a strapping father of young Spike 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.720 played by Alfie Williams, who is twelve and today is 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.120 getting ready for his first journey onto the Mainland for 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.919 really no reason. They're not going They're just going to 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.120 like get kills on Mike a kill, yeah, which is 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.839 our first hint. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.040 First inkling Aaron Taylor Johnson is maybe not a good dad. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.520 In fact, I will argue later spoiler that he is 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:38.720 the true villain of this day. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.520 He is the true villain of this movie. And I 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:45.880 think that's actually a major plot point of this trilogy 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.080 as oh well, out of this duology and now new 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.240 entry into the franchise, we should say. Yeah. I also 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.440 think that something that was so interesting to me. I 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.599 don't really know if America has those kind of causeway 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.159 can in the same way, but when you are in England. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.320 In some places, but not to that extent. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.800 Yeah, in England it is really common. I have been 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.440 on many holidays with family, friends and stuff where there 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.000 is a part of the It's never usually to an 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.600 entire like functioning island, but there will be like a 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.039 little beautiful green island where you can go and see 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.760 certain kinds of birds, but you gotta go across the causeway. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.760 So I thought that was a very interesting, unique kind 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.520 of spin. I feel like maybe these are supposed to 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:36.560 be like the Hebrides or Shetland or Orkney or something 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.440 like that, which are the kind of islands off the 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.200 coast of Scotland. But I thought the Causeway thing was 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.360 a very specific like that is something that you've experienced 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.839 if you've gone on like an English holiday, and I 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.200 thought that was like a really good culturally specific nod 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.880 and also very unique fun twist for a kind of 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.479 zombie monster movie where there is and this will also 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.440 lead to It's it's our hands. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.760 It's in a sense an island on the island England. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.040 It's a it's a microcosm of England itself, and then 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.480 the culture of this place speaks to that. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.600 And very interestingly, And I do think I'm very intrigued 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.599 to see what the second movie is because I think 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.359 that this film actually offers up a lot of questions 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.760 about the community that we are on with Spike and 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.520 his father and his mom. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.920 The last five minutes of the movie takes an insane 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.039 left turn, which po will discuss. Okay, so Jamie is 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.040 going to take Spike to the mainland, not to forge, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.800 not to gather supplies, but literally just to. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.839 Kill something that no one else would do until they would. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.120 Play he's three years younger. He's three years younger than 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.720 normally they would do it, but apparently Jamie is convinced 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:55.520 them that now is the time. His Jamie's wife, Spike's 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:01.200 mother Isila, is very very ill and not quite sure 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.040 what's going on all the time, and when she learns 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:09.960 that Jamie is taking Spike on the mainland, she freaks 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.920 out naturally, and so they have to Jamie then has 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.280 to lie to her and says, oh, no, no, where, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.600 He's just going to school. Okay. They head out, They 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.800 go through the town. The town is very excited. They're going, yeah, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.400 go get them Spike. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.240 So they go out. They're walking around and they eventually 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.760 come to a point in the woods, past the beach, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.800 past the hill, kind of skirting around the edge of 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.559 the town. They come to a place in the woods 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:41.240 where we meet our new zombie species, which is like, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.360 I forget what they called them, slow mos, I think. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.000 And look, I have to say, this is a classic. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.360 This is the George Romero style, but it's a classic 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:57.240 Alex Goland, like Alex golland Danny Boyle, like these are 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.000 the fat zombies that crawl on the floor. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.520 Guinea zombies get to live within community and run around together, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.680 but the fat zombies they have to crawl around on 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.240 the floor eating worms. So you had lots of weird 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.160 internalized fat phobia there, but great creature design. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.480 And also incredible creature drive. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.160 Giving If you saw the Alex Garland movie Men, this 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.600 sequence is very giving like Men. It's very like they 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.120 crawl on the ground. The mushrooms are kind of part 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.160 of them. They almost seem like they're part of the 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.200 ecological maker. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.600 Yeah, there's a crow like riding on the back of 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.560 this SloMo as it moves around. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.440 Very nature focused and connected to kind of the land 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:36.199 and the ground. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.880 Yeah, yes, very annihilation like, yes, the reclaiming of the 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.600 land by nature. So Jamie's like, perfect, Spike here, you 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.840 go kill him. You gotta hit him right in the 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.360 neck and then they die. So Spike takes a shot, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.080 kills the SloMo, and then they get surprised by like 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:58.400 the slomo's partner and other SloMo who was there. Jamie 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.520 rises up, he kills this one, and then they see 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.720 the slow most child, which is our hint that this 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.720 is how the infected of replenishing their ranks. They are 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.280 breeding out here, and he's about to kill the child, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.560 but then it runs off, okay, so they keep going. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.480 They keep going. They come to like an abandoned house 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.000 on the edge of town, and in there they see 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.600 that some one of the human communities in there has 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.040 taken a person, maybe a criminal or for whatever reason 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.000 and strung them up with a bag over their head 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.760 from the ceiling so that they can be infected by 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.640 the infected. And this person is now infected. And Jamie's like, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.920 Spike camere, you gotta see this. I really like, this 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.440 is sick. You gotta this. You gotta to learn about this. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.680 Now you're twelve and it's time to learn about what 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.440 a terrible place. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.000 And Spike is like puking, like he doesn't want to see. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.200 That's also the body has uh as coughed into it, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.079 which I think we're gonna be kind of learning more 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.840 about what this is in the follow up movie. I 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.920 think also I'm gonna pose a question here. I think 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.680 that the layout of this house looks identical to the 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.439 house at the beginning where the kids were watching Tellytubbies 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.400 and they all got eaten, because they very specifically show 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.200 that like the door is on the left and there's 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.400 stairs up there. So I'm interested to know if that 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.040 could be that house thirty years later, because the implication 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.480 is they're probably somewhere on the mainland. But yeah, very 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.000 creepy stuff. And you get some really good infected action 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.839 in this sequence because the infected do kind of break 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.400 in and Jamie and Spike have to kind of crawl 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.600 up to the attic and hide in the attic, which 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.360 is a really great chaotic scene. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.920 It's very wonderful suspense here we. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:50.240 Get to see life on the island is very calm. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.520 The first thing I was thinking, and we'll talk about 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.079 this on our roundtable and we do it on Friday, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.760 but I was like, we've got to compare Jackson Hole 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.080 to the weird little Scottish island, like who's. 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.800 The Like, what's going on in Jackson Hall? There's no question? Yeah, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.880 well okay, so so we should add that one of 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.319 the things we learned about this community is that they 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.880 have a rule, and that's you can leave and you 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.600 can come back, but if you disappear, no one's coming 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.559 to look for you, because the people they learned the 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.120 hard way, because people don't come back. And I guess 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.600 they've had problems with infected or you're bringing back infected there, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.400 so no one's coming to look for you. So they 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.960 have to spend the night up in this attic, and 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.920 that's when we learn more about the lore of twenty 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.160 eight years later, that being that, guess what the rest 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.559 of the world is fucking fine. Europe is fine. It 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:47.120 is England in the UK that is completely cordoned off 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:53.120 a la Jurassic Park from the mainland, and a kind 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:58.600 of joint European military task force is constantly patrolling. And 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.960 so like Jamie says this, like, look, there's a there's 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.960 a boat out there patrolling the waters to keep the quarantine. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:05.880 Must be the French. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:07.679 That must be the French. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.679 And this is this is a thing about this this 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.040 community on the island is it's very much steeped in 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.360 the I don't know why I'm telling you this, but 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:26.839 to me as an American classic culture and iconography of 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.720 like conservative oh yeah, you know, God saves the Queen 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.839 England even even you know, even up to and including 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.600 this kind of historic antipathy towards the French, because they 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.160 just assume that it's the French. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:48.840 That something that's extremely specific that they do in this movie, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.480 and they focus on quite a lot, is the Saint 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.960 George's flag, which is the white flag with the red 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.600 cross in England. If you live in England, if you 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.480 especially I grew up in London, if somebody's flying that flag, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.960 they're a racist. That's basically your read is like, don't 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.040 go in that part. If they have that flag up, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.719 it's a level of nationalism that in the eighties led 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.160 to the National Front and other neo fascists and neo 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.920 Nazi organizations. So the fact that they fly that on 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.560 the island is a big tell. And there is so 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.040 interestingly some strange kind of we see some strange like 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.480 religious iconography on the island. They call it the Holy 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:33.439 Island that it's very vague, but there are odd trappings. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.720 There are many paintings of the Queen. There's this huge 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:42.560 tapestry that says, you know, fail, we might fail, we might, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.800 but go on most us. Yeah, this kind of like 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:53.959 England goes it alone, kind of classic English insanity. Yes, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.240 so okay, So they spend the night there and then 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.200 important thing is Jamie. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:04.560 Sees a fire and asks his dad fires nothing, don't 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.160 worry about. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.120 It, and it's very clear that his dad knows what 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.200 it is but doesn't want to talk, like he says, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.360 I said, I don't know, you know, or something to 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.800 that effect. And it's really burning out there. So then 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.520 Spike goes to sleep and he has troubling dreams, including 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.480 you know, about the anxiety is feeling about his mom 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.160 and and enlarge and what they've seen to the chase 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.760 that they had being pursued by the infected, and also 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.360 the fact that now he is increasingly concerned that his 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.440 dad is lying to him and the community is not 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.240 telling them a complete truth. He's very concerned about his 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.440 mother's health and he's thinking all the time about like, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.520 isn't there anything we could do to help her? And 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:51.240 there seems to be nothing. Again, this very like NHS coded, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.480 Well there's no doctor and we just have to go on. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.080 You can't you can't dream of anything else. Don't even 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.360 think about wishing that there was medical help here. We 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:03.400 must sold. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:09.480 Strange because obviously the NHS is like a founding principle 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.680 of what is great about England, even though it's only 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.200 been around for you know, just like under one hundred years. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.360 But it is very interesting that on this island. There's 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:25.120 just no doctor and soldiers. Very specific and again probably 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.000 to do with whatever the weird cult aspects are that 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.480 we don't kind of fully learn about. But yeah, this 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.920 idea that there's no doctor and essentially that while the 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.120 rest of the island lives kind of in like a 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.480 cozy you know, this kind of feudal ideal of like 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.120 a past England, which is what I think they're kind 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:49.120 of playing on here. She lives in like a very dirty, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:54.160 gross room where her sheets are likely filthy, yes, Isler, 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.760 and even downstairs, where Jamie and Spike seem to live, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:02.200 is better. So there is a hint to Jamie Isler 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.880 is just like a burden, and it's very clear that 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.680 that's how he feels. I'm kind of get into that 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.080 even more so. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.920 Spike's having bad dreams. But then he's awoken because the 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.320 house is just collapsing. It's a very old house and 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.320 it's been through a lot and it's partially wrecked anyway. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.000 So they rush out of the house, but then they're 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.200 pursued by the infected, who were drawn by the sound. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.360 And this is our first encounter with what they call 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.840 the alphas, which are like the biggest. They're like the 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.720 Boss infected. They're huge, they take like multiple arrows to 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.920 break down. In fact, it's only really like one of 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.600 the metal harpoons that they have back at that island 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.200 that can that are you know, like anchored into the ground, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.560 that can really take one down. So they're pursued by this, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.920 and they run all the way back to the shore, 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.000 back to the causeway, and it's very early and so 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.720 there's still water over the causeway. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.000 But seeing the kind of the northern lights again, Yes, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.360 they're in Scotland and they run across and they're being 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.479 pursued by what they call in this movie the Alpha. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.720 And the idea here is like the Alpha is a 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.959 zombie that kind of well or an infected that in 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.280 experience is more understanding that waited for them, didn't just 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.040 run away there is. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.800 It's a leader of It's a leader of some sort. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.119 I will say, I do think that this leans into 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.760 one of in my opinion, Alex Garland less so Danny 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:35.320 boyle biggest issues, which is like, this is one of 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.680 the only brown characters in the movie, and talk about this, 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.320 Actually you think it fits into the space I actually fits. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.719 I actually I think it actually fits into the not 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:52.920 even the subtext nationalists like yes, because to me, we'll 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.199 talk about this more in depth after. But to me, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.800 twenty eight days later is about terrorism nine to eleven 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.199 and though it was you know, created obviously, while you 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.560 know nine. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:04.920 Haven't happened while it was made. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.520 Yeah, twenty eight weeks is about the Iraq occupation and 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.840 twenty eight years is about Brexit and nationalism in England. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.080 So I think it actually I think it actually fits, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.760 and we'll talk about that later. Okay, let's go to 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:19.080 break in. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:19.600 We'll be up. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.359 We're at Okay, So they run down the causeway. The 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.639 defenders are roused. They are you know, the defenders managed 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.920 to load that big crossbow and take down the Alpha, 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.480 and Jamie's pounding on the gate like let us say, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.320 let us in, but they have to check their eyes 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.840 to make sure, you know, and like wait thirty seconds. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.760 And they're both so stressed that you can't tell whether 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.320 it's very driver or so or not, you know, you understand, 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.840 and and they have to waste to be the logical 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.959 leader makes them kind of wait. It's a great tense moment, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.040 and yeah, it's it's very interesting. Also should note has 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.560 come and just pulled up. They're on the house that 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.119 they hide in. Somebody just scrawled the word Jimmy on it. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.280 And because we've got Jamie as the dad, you kind 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.840 of think, well, maybe the reason he knows how to 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.760 go there is he is Jimmy the kid from the beginning. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.840 So there's lots of interesting twists there. How does Aaron 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.760 Taylor Johnson's character know this area so well? But then 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.800 they end up back on the island and there's a 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.160 huge party for them. They've already kind of started partying, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.080 which is very funny, I think because again leans into 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.120 this kind of nationalistic idea of like, well, you know what, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.160 even if they don't come back, we're still celebrating because 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.720 we're still like keeping on. You know, they don't really 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.320 care whether they come back or not, because it's quite 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.320 clear at this point they missed low Tide. Originally they 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.679 might not come back. But the party is going strong. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.359 Everybody's wasted, and it's very chaotically filmed. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.080 There's a lot of very much Yeah, it's very much 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:07.359 like the party is very much like you know, west 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.080 Ham just won the f A Cup. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.560 Yes, very much like that. Also like very much in 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.720 very much giving like a slaughtered lamb from the American 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.960 wealth in London, and you know, and and and they did, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.240 so we'd mentioned Boyle and Alex scland. But the other 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.320 big thing here is that Anthony DoD Mantle, who's the 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.560 cinematographer of the original movie, is back for this one. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.080 And I think they do really interesting stuff with the 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.440 editing to make you feel structurally like you're in the. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.560 In there's so much inter cutting. Yes, let's talk about 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.000 that in a second. So okay, the We're at the 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:53.320 party and Jamie is recounting Spike's kill to the Gathered community, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:58.200 and he's he's embellishing to the point of lying about 0:20:58.400 --> 0:20:59.200 what's saying. 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.120 He didn't just kill the one zombie. He doesn't tell 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.679 them that he missed any because once the fast zombie 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.720 started coming, Spike just couldn't keep up because he's literally 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.760 a baby, and Jamie doesn't care. He's calling him the 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:16.520 giant Killer. He's telling these stories and it's finally settling 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.879 in that his suspicions about his dad being a liar 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.160 are true. Spike is realizing his dad is a liar, and. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:24.959 He's very troubled. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.520 Her uncomfortable and then we get the kind of big 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:33.040 reveal about Jamie, which is we there was a woman 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.440 who when they were leaving, smiling at him, and then 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.720 we see that he's fucking a school teacher, and as 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:44.040 me and Joel were celebrating in our seats last night, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.080 he happily eats out that teacher just on the street, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.320 like in front of his child. By the way, he's 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.199 gone to the dark away, but come on that. It's like, 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.879 come on, and Spike sees them. He's very upset. He 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.399 goes back to his mum. Yeah, just going to notice 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.080 that's the second horror movie of the summer. Al he's 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.560 seen a woman get eating out on screen. Sinnas and 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.960 twenty eight Years like this go to celebrate. 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:16.639 And both both spoiler featuring Jack O'Connell. Anyway, So so 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.240 Spike goes home and there's an older member of the 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.399 community there and he was asleep, you know, kind of 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.760 like say, I'm watching the house, and Spike questions him 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.320 about he saw this fire and Sam is like, oh, yeah, 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:37.040 that's doctor doctor Kelson. And Spike's like, wait, there's a 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.200 doctor and he's like, yeah, yeah, there's a doctor out there. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.720 He's probably gone crazy. By now nobody's seen him in 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.960 a long time, but like it's probably him, and so 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.520 now Spike really trouble. He crawls into bed with his mom. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.240 They go to sleep. There's this wonderful more editing of 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.600 like Isla is like asking Spike who she thinks is 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.919 her dad, like to go to the store or something, 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.920 and we see like this wonderful. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.240 Like uh. 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:07.199 Shot of the village on the mainland before and then now, 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.040 and then Spike wakes up. He goes down to breakfast, 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.320 and he confronts Jamie about the doctor. What was this 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.399 about the doctor? You didn't tell me there's a fucking doctor. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.720 And Jamie is like's not a doctor, and he's like, yes, 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.639 there is, like Sam told me, and so Jamie is pissed, 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.159 but he tells him and he tells him like a 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.280 scary story. He's like, well, you know, when I was younger, 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.800 we creeped over there and we saw doctor Kelson with 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:34.080 all these bodies lined up like head to toe, very 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.680 very neatly, and he saw us looking at him from 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:39.560 the hill and he waved at us very casually, like 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.080 come on down, guys, have a spot of tea, and 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.960 we ran away okay, and so that's. 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.760 The story to say something. First of all, yeah, Jimmy, Jamie, 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.200 why your name is Aaron Taylor Johnson. I'm bad. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:54.680 I love that we're just shitting on Jami. 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.680 I'm a Jamie hey, honestly, but he's very hateable. He's 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.280 very hateable, and Amaron Taylor Johnson does a great job. 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.040 But I think this is really interesting too because I 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:11.360 think this shows the kind of classic horror nature of 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.200 like lack of communication. Because my first thought, and look, 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:19.520 is doctor Kelson at least slightly crazy? Yes, but my 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.960 first thought was he is a doctor and he's just 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.240 burning all the infected like that seems kind of smart 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.240 to me. And it was interesting that in that moment 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.639 and in that tribalism, they saw this thing that was 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.200 obviously completely terrifying and he's dressed in like a doctor's 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.679 thing with a mask on, and they ran away. But 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.280 it's also like, Jamie, that guy is a doctor, like 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.680 your wife is clearly severely ill. 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.880 Again, I think when you kind of like dig under 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:49.280 the surface, it's like this anti science, anti immigrant, anti 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.879 the main absolutely knowing anything else about anything. It's this 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.120 very insular like again breaks it like. 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.600 Oh, very brexit, very co to. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:06.880 Dedication to separation from everything, from every influence and making 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:11.560 everything seem like it's fucking great by lying about the 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:15.879 bravery that you're displaying when you're taking like twelve year 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.360 old boys out into the woods to get chased by zombies. Yes, exactly. 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:24.119 Oh also yes, just quickly to note it's I was 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:24.640 just googling. 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:30.439 It's slow lows slow lows okay, slow los okay. So 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.639 Spite decides, you know what, I'm taking Mom to the doctor. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:38.080 So he sets a fire to kind of like create 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.359 a distraction, gets mom up, gets his arrows, he gets 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.320 his stuff, He gets a big bag of apples, and 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.240 they set off, and he. 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.120 Loves apples, like Kawi Lennard, loving apples. 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:54.399 You loveing these apple full of apples, full of apples. 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.480 So they go out. They spend the night in a church, 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.520 in this beautiful like stone church that I believe we 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.280 are meant to think is the church from the cold open. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.240 Yes, I do think that we are supposed to see that. 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.560 I think that they are very close to that part 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:10.320 of the mainland. 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:11.400 And I agree, and. 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:12.560 It's clear by church. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.160 Yes, he's clearly what happens at the end that we 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.480 are in the in the same area as the cold 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.119 over it. So they spend the night and Spike is 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.199 supposed to keep the watch, but he falls asleep, and 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.679 when he falls asleep, one of these slolos crawls up 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:31.280 and is about to bite them. But then next thing, 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.080 you know, like a dream, he wakes up in the 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.240 morning and the slolo is dead with a shirt or 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.359 something over its head so that it can be so 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.080 they could be killed without the blood splattering everywhere. And 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.399 we realized that it was his mother. Yeah, also doesn't 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.239 remember doing it, ilad did it. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.600 She kind of has like a flashback protectiveness. 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:51.359 Yeah. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.680 And also I thought this was really interesting too because 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.639 I thought that was kind of an implication head before 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.960 she got sick, she was probably like a. 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.520 Badass too, And I got that as well. 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.960 It fits Jamie's kind of old school version of life, 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.320 this kind of looking back at history where men are 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.640 the leaders and men are the ones who do everything. 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.679 It kind of suits him to have her trapped in 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.840 the house, you know. 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.919 I think that I think that's that's I think that's 0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.399 the correct read. In fact, I think that to your point, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.520 Jamie was probably now we're reading into it. But I 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.960 agree with where you're going. I believe that Jamie probably 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.760 felt like my wife's more badass than me. 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.160 What is exactly, I think it's a threat. I think 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:38.280 she was a threat to him. 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.240 So they wake up in the morning, they set off again. 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:48.080 Now there's a quick cut to eight soldiers from this 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.080 European task force. They're running. They're running along like a 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.040 sluiceway along the coast, and they're being chased by zombies 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.600 and they're getting wiped out one by one and eventually, 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.840 like an Alpha kills all but one of them by 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.119 tearing the head straight off the body so that the 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.639 spine is attached to We should add that the alphas 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:13.679 to your point about having more intellect, they also have 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.440 an They also seem to understand symbolism, because they will 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.840 take the heads that they pull off of deer or 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:22.919 whatever and they'll hang them in the trees as a 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:24.840 court of sort of street sign. 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:31.199 Yeah. Yeah, because the thing that's interesting, and I do 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.200 think we're going to learn more about this is there 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.119 was a great quote recently from Alex Garland where he 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.240 was essentially like, what you've got to understand is these 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.200 are actually not zombies. They have never gone, they've never 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.840 died and come back to life. Yeah, they are just 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.120 people who are extremely sick with the rage virus. So 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.840 this is essentially the movie begins to imagine what would 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.200 a society look like for those people. Now, it's very 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.480 loose and we don't get to see a lot of it, 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:03.520 but it's an interesting kind of trail of this tribalism 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:08.840 and also why raises the question of why does Jamie 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.000 need to go to the mainland to kill zombies. He 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.840 says multiple times they don't need anything from the mainland. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.600 They don't need anything that they don't already have on 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:23.120 the village. The village is idyllicy, kind of leaning into 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.800 that notion of socialism, like Jackson Hall, you can take 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:28.160 what you need, don't take too much. But they don't 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.840 need to go there. So he's choosing to go to 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.840 another space which is now inhabited by different kind of 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.720 people and just kill them for fun, which is. 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:40.920 Very I agree. And this also I think, you know, 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.320 we've talked about our criticism of The Walking Dead, which 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.400 at a certain point I felt the show anyway became 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.960 a story about how Americans are obsessed with guns and 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.280 want to use them neighbors, and Jamie is very much that, 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:54.960 but in the English way. 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.680 And it's really interesting because because of gun laws in 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:02.400 England post the Tragedy of Thumb, English people, even in 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.480 rural countries like and rural areas, they don't they don't 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.520 get to have guns in the same way as Americans. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.960 They don't get to and it is a conversation that 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.120 has always been going on about, you know, people trying 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.400 to take people's guns, just like it is here. So 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.719 I think there is an interesting idea of for Jamie, 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.400 what freedom is is like being able to just go 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.200 and kill somebody even when you don't need to. It's 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.200 really scary stuff. And I think that the more you 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.120 dig into this movie, I think it's a pretty deep 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.640 and amazing movie. Honestly, I thought I had some issues, 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.600 but I think they kind of. I think a lot 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.920 of what they do here is actually very intentional and. 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.120 The SAME's I'm eager to dig into it because I 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.719 had the same takeaway that it's a tremendously deep and 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.880 angry zombie film that is like worth thinking about. Okay, 0:30:56.240 --> 0:31:02.240 so the last surviving Swedish named Eric, who's this wonderful 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:02.840 comic relief. 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:03.959 He's so funny. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:09.200 It's so funny. He saves Spike and Isla from a 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.320 zombie attack at a shell gas station. The s has 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.120 fallen off, so which assists Hell and it's like which 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.880 is a joke from twenty eight Days. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.440 Also, by the way, also as well, a great kind 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.520 of real English experience here, which is a side of 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.760 the road kind of restaurants. We don't even really call 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.040 them din as. They always have funny names like Happy 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.120 Eta and Little Chef, and that's kind of where they 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:38.200 end up here. It's Benzi and has kind of come 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.960 up from the ground of the shell you for years, 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.960 and it's full of gas. Eric manages to basically blow 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.760 the place up save them and then kind of realizes 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.200 he's stuck in this unusual situation where currently Eiler is 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:57.840 disassociating and thinks that Spike is her dad, and it's 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.080 really really they do a great job making this situation 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:05.600 that is quite heartbreaking, very funny just because of Eric's reactions, 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.840 and there's some great moments like Eric carries Eyler a 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.920 long way and then she kind of comes back to 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.560 herself and walks, and he goes, wait, she can walk 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.080 and everyone in the cinema was like cracking up a 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.120 very fat and they and they make their way to 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:19.640 get yes. 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:24.440 So Eric. From Eric, we learned that essentially life on 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.680 the European continent and presumably in the rest of the 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:28.960 world has gone on as normal without it. 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.240 They have mobile phones, they. 0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.120 Have the society has gone on. Nobody seems to miss 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.520 England that much. Eric the Internet. They have the Internet, 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.320 they have cell phones. Spiker's like, what is that? What's 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.680 the Internet? What's he doesn't under He's like Captain America 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.560 who just got woken up? None of the references. And 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.200 Eric shows like a picture of his fiance and what 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.920 is one of the most like just a hilarious moment, 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.640 like in any that. So and so they go on. 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:05.360 Eventually they they come to this train and Isla hears 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.480 these sounds from inside the train. She goes in. She 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.320 kind of breaks away from from everybody and goes inside. 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.320 And there we see and infected a pregnant effect in 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.680 giving birth. And we had seen this infected woman kind 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:22.360 of wandering around previously, and in this moment of true humanity, 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:30.360 Isla like reaches out and helps brace this infected woman 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.840 so that she can properly give birth and also have 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.280 this like kind of connection with another woman to support 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.720 her in this moment, like woman's woman and. 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:44.000 She's so scared and she's in so much pain, and. 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.760 There's this real, it's a real moment of like connectedness 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:54.120 where the infected nature of this person fades just enough 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:59.200 to allow her like essential womanhood and humanity to come 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:00.920 through a turn with another woman. 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.600 Yeah, and also as well, just another thing I thought 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.959 was really interesting here is I wonder this also hinted 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.240 to me that another reason why maybe they were happy 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.600 to allow Eila to just kind of rot in her 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.120 bed when she was clearly very ill, is I wonder 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.720 if there is a contingent of people on the island 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.600 or in the community who have maybe raised the idea 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:25.279 that the infected are not just mindless zombies. Because she 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:30.560 reaches out to that woman in just instantly, like it isstantly, 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.520 almost kind of natural to her, She slowly reaches out, 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:39.239 she helps the infected woman give birth, and then the 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.480 infected woman kind of turns back to her feral nature 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.759 when she sees Eric with a gun and Eric kills her. 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:45.919 Eric Eric kills her. 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:47.520 So it turns out the baby. 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:55.279 The baby's fine. Apparently the placenta a mother's womb is 0:34:55.320 --> 0:35:00.560 an effective filter for infection. More on that later. And 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:05.120 now Ila and Spike go running away from the alpha 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.719 partner of this woman who has come raging through the 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.319 train and is now chasing them, chasing them across the field, 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.759 and just when he's about to get his paws on them, 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.759 a dart. And this, by the way, this alpha is 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.719 the blown uh person of color. As far as there 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:25.000 might have been others in the. 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.960 Crowd of people on the island, but. 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.200 They don't I think one of Asian. 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.719 All of the definitely Asian. So we do see. But 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:38.960 generally this is the predominant costing yeah, passion that we 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:39.920 have in the movie. 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.680 So so gets hit with like a sleep dart. And 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.839 now we meet doctor Kelson Ray Fines, Ralph Fines. He's 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.200 covered in iodine in order to stop like infected, to 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:56.680 kill in the infection within blood that splatters on him. 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.440 And he apologizes like I'm so sorry for my appearance, 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:04.000 and then he is like this alpha is and I 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.280 forget what he had named to Samson. This is Samson. 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:11.160 He's been in the area for about three years or so, 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:16.320 and It's clear that Kelson has this very interesting almost 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:21.200 this relationship with the infected where he views them still 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.080 as people and part of the natural world. He's unwilling 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:25.759 to kill Samson. 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.000 And he's been living essentially like a side by side 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:34.400 with him simply through this still like medication. But I 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.240 think it's very interesting because again it presents a different 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:43.000 way of living and thinking about things correct. 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:50.399 So they they retire to doctor Kelson's what they call 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.360 the Bone Church, what I'm calling Bone Henge, which is 0:36:54.960 --> 0:37:00.720 this massive stonehenge of bones, which is what doctor Kelson 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:04.439 has been working on. He tells them, you know, they're 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.279 just people who are very ill, and I wanted to 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.919 create I was worried that I would live the rest 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.319 of my life and die without explaining what this is 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.960 to somebody. This is my memorial to everyone who has 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:20.120 died in the area. To make sure that people, whatever 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.000 happens in the coming years, that people will see this 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.480 and understand that these are all the human beings who 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:31.000 had thoughts and loved ones and emotions and they all perished. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:35.640 And that includes the infected, whose bodies he gathers up 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:39.640 and burns and then places their skulls and bones in 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.040 these huge towers. So Spike's like, well, we've been looking 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.759 for a you're a doctor, can you examine my mom? 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:49.239 He doesn't. He realizes that Isla has cancer and it's 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:50.000 very far along. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.880 Yeah, And it was always like if you've ever, you know, 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.600 watched a movie or a TV show, which, by the way, 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.920 some of the men on that island have they have 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.520 memories that are older than that. Because it's only twenty 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.280 eight years after this, it's very clear she has brain cancer. 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.560 Like just from the way she's behaving, there's obviously a 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:12.719 brain tumor. She's having nosebleeds, she's having disassociative kind of moments, 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.440 and it has missed because she's been in that bedroom 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.839 however long. It's metastasized and it's gone to the rest 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.360 of her body. And she kind of reveals at this 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.800 point that she sort of knew that was the case, 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.040 but she just wanted someone else to be the one 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.799 to tell her son. She didn't want to have to 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.480 deal with that and upset. 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:39.720 So Spikers obviously shattered that there's nothing that can be done. 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:44.640 And while he Ala is like holding him and trying 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:48.719 to comfort him, this kind of understanding passes between her 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.480 and the doctor that okay, go ahead and hit him 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.200 with a little bit of that tranquilizer. 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.360 She shit him a little bit of that morphine. 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.600 A little so he could do what comes next. So 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:03.160 he trank darts him, and then trank darts the mom 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:08.680 who and then they go off and she allows herself 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:15.160 to be euthanized. It's her choice, and he renders her 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.759 body into bones and returns with the skull. And when 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.960 Spike kind of is coming to he says to Spike, 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.840 you know, remember I told you this phrase and he 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:28.320 told her earlier Memento Morian's Latin, and remember you must die, 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.799 and you know remember that you are. It will give 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.880 your life, meaning it gives all of our lives, meaning 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:34.959 that there will come this moment when we're no more 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.480 and death comes for us all. And there's a lot 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.080 of bad ways you can go, but there are good 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.520 ways too, and the good ways are where you're with 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:45.160 your loved ones. You pass peacefully. And you know he's 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:49.120 trying to say that your mother decided, she took agency, decided. 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.600 Now I'm with my son, I'm with a doctor, I'm 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.680 with someone who values life, and now is the time 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.879 that I want to go not alone in this room 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.920 while my husband is out fucking the school teacher exactly. 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:05.240 And he passes the he passes the skull to Spike, 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.880 and interestingly, here Spike has actually already placed a skull 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:13.040 because they had Eric's head and the doctor decided he 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.040 was gonna render all the fout of that, give him 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.200 the skull and let Spike place it. And now he says, 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.000 he gives him his mum's skull, and he says, you know, 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:22.360 place it in the very best place. And so he 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.120 climbs to the top of this huge mountain of kind 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:30.200 of probably like thirty foot tall mountain of skulls, and 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:31.960 he places his mom's head on the top and he 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.680 watches the sunrise and then. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:40.360 It's it's really moving. So it is an incredibly movies. 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:44.680 This sequence is we haven't even really timely gone. 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.160 Is like the cinematography in this is amazing and it's 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.560 gonna blow people's minds because guess what, as they have 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.640 talked about, but this has now been confirmed in a 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:59.120 recent La Times piece with the three major players, Garland 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.080 Boil and DoD Mantle, the cinematographer. In a chat with 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:07.000 Mark Olson, they confirmed that seventy five to eighty percent 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.920 of this movie was shot entirely on iPhones. I mean, 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.359 it looks and the cinematography is unbelievable. There are these 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.680 really beautiful shots of England and this kind of idyllic, 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:22.719 huge rural spaces. It's really quite fantastic to look at. 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:27.320 And that sequence leads to kind of our final moments 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.799 of the movie where Spike he takes the baby in 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.800 a little shopping basket which I loved, and he goes 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.680 back to that. He makes it back to the island, 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.120 and I thought that he was going to keep the baby, 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.120 but instead he goes across the causeway. He hangs the 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:47.880 baby up outside, leaves a note in it, and decides that. 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.359 We see twenty six days later he has left and 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.839 he is living on his own and he doesn't want 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.080 to return to his father understandable, who by the way 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.200 we see hit him earlier in the movie, who he 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.919 know kind of his mom sequested away like that, and 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.360 he decides he's just going to go it alone. His 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.840 dad is very mad about it. He wants to have 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.560 something to control. He kind of screams his way into 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:16.120 the center of the ocean, and you think you're like, oh, 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.719 this is like an emotionally raw place to end the movie. No, 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:25.640 because Danny Boyle has a trick off his sleeve, absolutely 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:30.760 deranged and on him insane. The moment where I felt like, Okay, 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:34.160 I'm totally in this was actually the thing I think. 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.640 I was in before this, but when this Okay, So 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.120 Spike is on his travels. He's on a kind of 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:45.759 lonely road, this one lane, twisty road heading up it 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.960 seems north, and he stopped to have a fish that 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:54.360 he had caught and he's eating it, but then the 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.319 infect had come, and so he takes a couple out, 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.720 but then there's more and he starts running. He comes 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.800 to a part of the road where it's been blocked 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.920 off by all these stones, and now the infected are 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:07.279 really racing. Enemy takes one down and then but there's 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.520 more coming up behind him, and then he hears the 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.040 voice and it's our friend Jack O'Connell from Sinners. 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.360 The Irish Empire, from Sinners Irish Skins. 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:21.279 Who was the who was the boy who survived from Open. 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.440 Not we assumed The film wants you to think that 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.600 it's Aaron Taylor Johnson because his name is Jamie, and 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.640 his name was Jimmy. But we see here that this 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:36.279 character who is wearing a full personal scribe with a 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:40.960 long blonde wig with a crown like a little tiara, 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.879 and he's on round his neck. He has the chain 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.120 that his father gave him, but he's wearing the cross 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:50.239 upside down and he's like, oh, hello, like, do you 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.200 need any help? May we step in? And suddenly he's 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:54.040 got like four. 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:57.399 The way, who I. 0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:01.960 Learned are also all called Jimmy in this world, and 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.560 one of them is our favorite, Aaron Kellyman. We love her. 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:08.920 She's one of the Jimmy's from the fame. 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.920 Of Solo and Solo. 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:16.320 Yes, Brave Winter Soldier, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. She's 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.240 great and so yes, we end up in a situation 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:23.719 where these kids jump in or wearing different colored tracksuits 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:29.680 and doing some insane like gymnastics style fighting with golf 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:34.200 clubs and just take out the infected. And it's one 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.719 of the wildest left turns because. 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.560 Not only not only do they take them out, but 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:47.880 they take them out with this almost martial arts flips 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:51.280 like somersaults. 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.920 And they each have different moves kind of chopping off 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.040 the zombie heads. So this is my theory. When we 0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.000 first meet Jimmy, him and the kids are in that room, 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.120 he sees them get killed. They're watching Tellytubbies on VHS. 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.239 I think we're going to find out that Jimmy and 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:09.520 his friends like taught themselves via watching like martial arts 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:13.800 movies on VHS. I think there's a big in here 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:18.919 with like reused footage, b roll kind of notions of 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:24.560 like what stories have impacted these kids who are fighting, 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:28.600 impact these kind of patriotic visions of like English people 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:32.960 shooting these arrows to warring countries, and and I think 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.799 that leads into this. But it's absolutely unhinged. And if 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.720 you don't, if it doesn't hit for you, I think 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.279 it could make you really dislike the movie. But I 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.160 loved it because what it implies. One it ties together 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:49.160 cold open clothes, but also it is very much about 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.160 You're starting to understand that the way that Spike and 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.520 his family lived is just one way that people are 0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:01.240 living in this space in this apocalypse. And we're clearly 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.440 gonna learn more about people like Dr Kelson, about like 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.280 Jimmy's who I believe his name is, like sir Jimmy 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:11.759 Crystal is the full name, so like, I'm so excited 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.120 to see where that goes. And Jack O'Connell the last movie, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:16.600 he kind of the last thing he says to him 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.920 is he's like, let's be pals and you kind of end. 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.400 So you imagine that Spike is gonna be with these characters. 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.319 Jay said before we end, give us your read on 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:27.760 this movie, because I think it's correct. 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:44.600 Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back. Okay, 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.799 we're back. Okay, here here's my reactions. Is me. First 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.640 of all, I really feel like, listen, it is notable 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.040 that there are so few characters color and none on 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.200 the island zero And I think. 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.160 I think there's a couple, maybe a kidney, but you don't. 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.239 They're not major play as. You don't see them a lot. 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:07.600 And I think it's very I think that's done very 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.960 consciously because I think this is essentially again, I believe 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:16.560 it's the Brexit slash nationalism twenty eight later entrant in 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:21.360 the franchise, and I think it's about how it's about 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:26.359 this reality in which England has separated itself or been 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:30.520 separated from the rest of the world. In europe Brexit, 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.680 and that the rest of the world has gone on 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:39.719 as normal, while in England they have been reduced to 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:44.520 this almost medieval regret type of reality where they're living 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:49.319 behind walls. And this is hammered home by these constant 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:54.360 snippets that are edited in of like John Gilgood movies 0:47:54.440 --> 0:48:01.000 where you know where you're seeing classic scene classic movies, 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:05.200 scenes from classic English movies of you know, archers on 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:10.120 the on the hillside taking out like armies of cavalry 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:17.239 and sieges being undertaken against castles. And to me, it's 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:22.440 the movie very consciously is placing this film in a 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:27.839 continuum of an ideal English culture, even to the point 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.840 of there's like a Canterbury Tales type feel to the story. 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.560 Oh very much, with the with the way that different 0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:35.800 characters coming. 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.400 In, like Eric coming in with these like absurd in 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.720 these kind of like absurd setups within a larger journey 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:47.799 to somewhere right. And the hero of the film is 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:54.080 not a Jamie who is this again insular kind of dunderheaded, 0:48:54.440 --> 0:49:00.720 ignores his wife, kind of classic football hoodlum of a guy. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:04.720 It's the son who is like all of this is lies, 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.799 All of this we go it alone is lies. My 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.560 dad is lying to me. All the stuff around me 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.440 in this town appears to be propaganda. I want to 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.759 know what the rest of the world is about. And 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:19.799 the other hero of this story is the doctor, right, 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:26.000 the man of sciences, humanity, who says, these are people. Samson, 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:32.440 again one of the few characters of color in the story. 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:37.600 In an indifferent zombie movie, they'd slaughter him, but doctor 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.960 Kelson is just like, no, no, we're not gonna We're 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.719 gonna put him to sleep, and then we're gonna go 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.280 away and we're gonna let the natural world take its course. 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:49.759 And that character is never killed, We never see you 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.359 know that he is, in fact just like living side 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:57.080 by side in a type of community amongst these these people. 0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.680 And so I think that to me, this is this 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:05.839 is a story about the dangers of insolarity, of nativism 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:10.320 and disconnection from the rest of the world, of of 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:18.200 a antipathy towards learning and towards community. And in that sense, 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:22.400 I think it's a very deep and moving film and 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:27.000 a tremendously angry film. Also because it's also saying like, 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.680 look at what when we decide to do this, look 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.160 at what happens. Look at what we become. Look at 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:36.279 the way we're just letting this person die alone, and 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.160 we're so ashamed by it that we pretend that everything 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.959 is that these characters are pretending everything's actually a brain. 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.160 That my wife is dying like alone with no doctor, 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:51.440 And shouldn't we want more? Shouldn't we think where is 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:52.000 the doctor? 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:57.080 But no, the that's right, And I think you touch 0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.439 on something really good. And in the in that New 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:03.440 alle Times article, they basically say that this is what 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.200 Boyle says. We had the idea of looking back and 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:11.520 valuing of these supposed English virtues of this heroic defiance. 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.720 You know, we few, we band of brothers, says Boyle, 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:19.200 quoting Shakespeare. And they talk about the sound that has 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:24.040 become like a viral TikTok sound, which was the extended 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.640 teaser trailer from last year, which had the really intense 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:31.839 nineteen fifteen recording of the Rudyard Kipling poem Boots read 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:35.000 by the actor Taylor Holmes, with its hypnotically repeated line 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.400 of boots, boots, boots moving up and down again, and 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.400 they kind of talk about how originally they were going 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.359 to use the speech from Henry the fifth the Saint 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:46.719 Crispin's Day speech, but it was too much. And I 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:50.840 think that it is really a movie about thinking about legacy, 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.640 what gets left behind, the ways that you kind of 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:59.279 stop this stuff unintentionally or intentionally. And yeah, I just 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.880 it's very interesting. I think it's going to be a 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.640 very interesting film to look back at. And I'm very 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:08.359 excited because the next movie, which is actually was made 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:11.360 by Nia da Costa, has already been filmed back to 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.960 back with this, and that is twenty eight years later 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:18.400 Bone Church, So it will be very interesting to see 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:20.160 what happens. 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.239 An incredible, incredible film where they haven't been able to 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:25.319 I haven't been able to stop thinking about it, and 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.600 I can't wait for the next one to come out. 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:30.560 Really fascinating movie. 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.040 Yeah, totally way more than I was expecting to chop up. 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.400 And it's going to be really fun to talk about 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.640 this on our round table. Oh I can't, Joelle, I 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:40.200 am common. 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.160 Yes. So on the next episode of X ray Vision, 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.720 We've got news in a special interview with Sam Bailey, 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:51.360 director of Ironheart on Disney Plus episodes one through three 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.200 or directed by Sam. So check that out. That's for 0:52:55.280 --> 0:53:00.840 this episode. Thanks for listening. 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