Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: the latest edition in Danny Boyle's Fast Zombie Infected Saga. Hello,
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Speaker 2: Hub plus news. In today's episode, we're jumping into the
Speaker 2: quarantine zone where I should already be because apparently all
Speaker 2: English people are in the quarantine zone and we are
Speaker 2: recapping twenty eight years later. Bomp, bomp.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, Rosie. The first thing I want
Speaker 1: to ask you is what kind of English accents are these?
Speaker 1: They feel kind of a little Liverpudlian.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it is. I think I believe from
Speaker 2: what we see at the beginning, they are somewhere in Scotland,
Speaker 2: so I think you're getting like northern accents, Northern Scottish,
Speaker 2: some Scottish. I was impressed by Aaron Taylor Johnson specifically,
Speaker 2: I felt like he was doing a great accent. It
Speaker 2: feels like the kid's accent was was definitely like his
Speaker 2: own accent. He was doing a great job. The kid
Speaker 2: who played Spike. And then obviously Jodi Comer is a
Speaker 2: famous liver Pudley and I believe so I think that
Speaker 2: her accent was also a correct accent. I'm I'm very
Speaker 2: interested about the choice to tell the story in this
Speaker 2: isolated little ta I have been so much interesting stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you want to do? You want to off
Speaker 2: the dome recap it together? And then they go off
Speaker 2: about Okay, not that much, but there's a lot to
Speaker 2: talk about, like psychologically, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll we'll plot it out and then we'll
Speaker 1: do a quick off the dom recap and then we
Speaker 1: will we'll really kind of dig in. So okay, we
Speaker 1: open on a cold open of the spreading infection that
Speaker 1: is now spreading to this part of the UK, which,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, appears to be in northern England, somewhere
Speaker 1: towards the border of Scotland, and we watch as a
Speaker 1: family home where a bunch of it seems like either
Speaker 1: an extended family or a lot of different families from
Speaker 1: the community have been sheltering and we watch this house
Speaker 1: get overrun. We watch this young boy escape the house.
Speaker 1: He runs to a nearby church where his dad is
Speaker 1: the pre east and he says, Dad, what's going on? Like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? His dad says, well, it's judgment day.
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome, this is great.
Speaker 2: Here take a day to be judged, a.
Speaker 1: Beautiful day to be judged. Here, take my cross. He
Speaker 1: takes off the golden cross necklace, hands it to his son.
Speaker 1: His son hides in this like little cell, like under
Speaker 1: a grate under the floor. The infected Russian. They overwhelm
Speaker 1: his father, who turns into an affected as well, and
Speaker 1: then we flash forward to twenty eight years later. Done
Speaker 1: this dun dun duh. This community that lives on a small,
Speaker 1: very very small maybe maybe three mile square or something
Speaker 1: like that island that is I don't know, three hundred
Speaker 1: yards off the coast and connected by a very very
Speaker 1: small narrow causeway that is only available for like four hours,
Speaker 1: five hours a day when the tide is low. This
Speaker 1: community is completely self sufficient, and in this community lives
Speaker 1: Jamie Aaron Taylor Johnson, a strapping father of young Spike
Speaker 1: played by Alfie Williams, who is twelve and today is
Speaker 1: getting ready for his first journey onto the Mainland for
Speaker 1: really no reason. They're not going They're just going to
Speaker 1: like get kills on Mike a kill, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: our first hint.
Speaker 2: First inkling Aaron Taylor Johnson is maybe not a good dad.
Speaker 1: In fact, I will argue later spoiler that he is
Speaker 1: the true villain of this day.
Speaker 2: He is the true villain of this movie. And I
Speaker 2: think that's actually a major plot point of this trilogy
Speaker 2: as oh well, out of this duology and now new
Speaker 2: entry into the franchise, we should say. Yeah. I also
Speaker 2: think that something that was so interesting to me. I
Speaker 2: don't really know if America has those kind of causeway
Speaker 2: can in the same way, but when you are in England.
Speaker 1: In some places, but not to that extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in England it is really common. I have been
Speaker 2: on many holidays with family, friends and stuff where there
Speaker 2: is a part of the It's never usually to an
Speaker 2: entire like functioning island, but there will be like a
Speaker 2: little beautiful green island where you can go and see
Speaker 2: certain kinds of birds, but you gotta go across the causeway.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was a very interesting, unique kind
Speaker 2: of spin. I feel like maybe these are supposed to
Speaker 2: be like the Hebrides or Shetland or Orkney or something
Speaker 2: like that, which are the kind of islands off the
Speaker 2: coast of Scotland. But I thought the Causeway thing was
Speaker 2: a very specific like that is something that you've experienced
Speaker 2: if you've gone on like an English holiday, and I
Speaker 2: thought that was like a really good culturally specific nod
Speaker 2: and also very unique fun twist for a kind of
Speaker 2: zombie monster movie where there is and this will also
Speaker 2: lead to It's it's our hands.
Speaker 1: It's in a sense an island on the island England.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a microcosm of England itself, and then
Speaker 1: the culture of this place speaks to that.
Speaker 2: And very interestingly, And I do think I'm very intrigued
Speaker 2: to see what the second movie is because I think
Speaker 2: that this film actually offers up a lot of questions
Speaker 2: about the community that we are on with Spike and
Speaker 2: his father and his mom.
Speaker 1: The last five minutes of the movie takes an insane
Speaker 1: left turn, which po will discuss. Okay, so Jamie is
Speaker 1: going to take Spike to the mainland, not to forge,
Speaker 1: not to gather supplies, but literally just to.
Speaker 2: Kill something that no one else would do until they would.
Speaker 1: Play he's three years younger. He's three years younger than
Speaker 1: normally they would do it, but apparently Jamie is convinced
Speaker 1: them that now is the time. His Jamie's wife, Spike's
Speaker 1: mother Isila, is very very ill and not quite sure
Speaker 1: what's going on all the time, and when she learns
Speaker 1: that Jamie is taking Spike on the mainland, she freaks
Speaker 1: out naturally, and so they have to Jamie then has
Speaker 1: to lie to her and says, oh, no, no, where,
Speaker 1: He's just going to school. Okay. They head out, They
Speaker 1: go through the town. The town is very excited. They're going, yeah,
Speaker 1: go get them Spike. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So they go out. They're walking around and they eventually
Speaker 1: come to a point in the woods, past the beach,
Speaker 1: past the hill, kind of skirting around the edge of
Speaker 1: the town. They come to a place in the woods
Speaker 1: where we meet our new zombie species, which is like,
Speaker 1: I forget what they called them, slow mos, I think.
Speaker 2: And look, I have to say, this is a classic.
Speaker 1: This is the George Romero style, but it's a classic
Speaker 1: Alex Goland, like Alex golland Danny Boyle, like these are
Speaker 1: the fat zombies that crawl on the floor.
Speaker 2: Guinea zombies get to live within community and run around together,
Speaker 2: but the fat zombies they have to crawl around on
Speaker 2: the floor eating worms. So you had lots of weird
Speaker 2: internalized fat phobia there, but great creature design.
Speaker 1: And also incredible creature drive.
Speaker 2: Giving If you saw the Alex Garland movie Men, this
Speaker 2: sequence is very giving like Men. It's very like they
Speaker 2: crawl on the ground. The mushrooms are kind of part
Speaker 2: of them. They almost seem like they're part of the
Speaker 2: ecological maker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a crow like riding on the back of
Speaker 1: this SloMo as it moves around.
Speaker 2: Very nature focused and connected to kind of the land
Speaker 2: and the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, very annihilation like, yes, the reclaiming of the
Speaker 1: land by nature. So Jamie's like, perfect, Spike here, you
Speaker 1: go kill him. You gotta hit him right in the
Speaker 1: neck and then they die. So Spike takes a shot,
Speaker 1: kills the SloMo, and then they get surprised by like
Speaker 1: the slomo's partner and other SloMo who was there. Jamie
Speaker 1: rises up, he kills this one, and then they see
Speaker 1: the slow most child, which is our hint that this
Speaker 1: is how the infected of replenishing their ranks. They are
Speaker 1: breeding out here, and he's about to kill the child,
Speaker 1: but then it runs off, okay, so they keep going.
Speaker 1: They keep going. They come to like an abandoned house
Speaker 1: on the edge of town, and in there they see
Speaker 1: that some one of the human communities in there has
Speaker 1: taken a person, maybe a criminal or for whatever reason
Speaker 1: and strung them up with a bag over their head
Speaker 1: from the ceiling so that they can be infected by
Speaker 1: the infected. And this person is now infected. And Jamie's like,
Speaker 1: Spike camere, you gotta see this. I really like, this
Speaker 1: is sick. You gotta this. You gotta to learn about this.
Speaker 1: Now you're twelve and it's time to learn about what
Speaker 1: a terrible place.
Speaker 2: And Spike is like puking, like he doesn't want to see.
Speaker 2: That's also the body has uh as coughed into it,
Speaker 2: which I think we're gonna be kind of learning more
Speaker 2: about what this is in the follow up movie. I
Speaker 2: think also I'm gonna pose a question here. I think
Speaker 2: that the layout of this house looks identical to the
Speaker 2: house at the beginning where the kids were watching Tellytubbies
Speaker 2: and they all got eaten, because they very specifically show
Speaker 2: that like the door is on the left and there's
Speaker 2: stairs up there. So I'm interested to know if that
Speaker 2: could be that house thirty years later, because the implication
Speaker 2: is they're probably somewhere on the mainland. But yeah, very
Speaker 2: creepy stuff. And you get some really good infected action
Speaker 2: in this sequence because the infected do kind of break
Speaker 2: in and Jamie and Spike have to kind of crawl
Speaker 2: up to the attic and hide in the attic, which
Speaker 2: is a really great chaotic scene.
Speaker 1: It's very wonderful suspense here we.
Speaker 2: Get to see life on the island is very calm.
Speaker 2: The first thing I was thinking, and we'll talk about
Speaker 2: this on our roundtable and we do it on Friday,
Speaker 2: but I was like, we've got to compare Jackson Hole
Speaker 2: to the weird little Scottish island, like who's.
Speaker 1: The Like, what's going on in Jackson Hall? There's no question? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, so so we should add that one of
Speaker 1: the things we learned about this community is that they
Speaker 1: have a rule, and that's you can leave and you
Speaker 1: can come back, but if you disappear, no one's coming
Speaker 1: to look for you, because the people they learned the
Speaker 1: hard way, because people don't come back. And I guess
Speaker 1: they've had problems with infected or you're bringing back infected there,
Speaker 1: so no one's coming to look for you. So they
Speaker 1: have to spend the night up in this attic, and
Speaker 1: that's when we learn more about the lore of twenty
Speaker 1: eight years later, that being that, guess what the rest
Speaker 1: of the world is fucking fine. Europe is fine. It
Speaker 1: is England in the UK that is completely cordoned off
Speaker 1: a la Jurassic Park from the mainland, and a kind
Speaker 1: of joint European military task force is constantly patrolling. And
Speaker 1: so like Jamie says this, like, look, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a boat out there patrolling the waters to keep the quarantine.
Speaker 1: Must be the French.
Speaker 2: That must be the French.
Speaker 1: And this is this is a thing about this this
Speaker 1: community on the island is it's very much steeped in
Speaker 1: the I don't know why I'm telling you this, but
Speaker 1: to me as an American classic culture and iconography of
Speaker 1: like conservative oh yeah, you know, God saves the Queen
Speaker 1: England even even you know, even up to and including
Speaker 1: this kind of historic antipathy towards the French, because they
Speaker 1: just assume that it's the French.
Speaker 2: That something that's extremely specific that they do in this movie,
Speaker 2: and they focus on quite a lot, is the Saint
Speaker 2: George's flag, which is the white flag with the red
Speaker 2: cross in England. If you live in England, if you
Speaker 2: especially I grew up in London, if somebody's flying that flag,
Speaker 2: they're a racist. That's basically your read is like, don't
Speaker 2: go in that part. If they have that flag up,
Speaker 2: it's a level of nationalism that in the eighties led
Speaker 2: to the National Front and other neo fascists and neo
Speaker 2: Nazi organizations. So the fact that they fly that on
Speaker 2: the island is a big tell. And there is so
Speaker 2: interestingly some strange kind of we see some strange like
Speaker 2: religious iconography on the island. They call it the Holy
Speaker 2: Island that it's very vague, but there are odd trappings.
Speaker 1: There are many paintings of the Queen. There's this huge
Speaker 1: tapestry that says, you know, fail, we might fail, we might,
Speaker 1: but go on most us. Yeah, this kind of like
Speaker 1: England goes it alone, kind of classic English insanity. Yes,
Speaker 1: so okay, So they spend the night there and then
Speaker 1: important thing is Jamie.
Speaker 2: Sees a fire and asks his dad fires nothing, don't
Speaker 2: worry about.
Speaker 1: It, and it's very clear that his dad knows what
Speaker 1: it is but doesn't want to talk, like he says,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, you know, or something to
Speaker 1: that effect. And it's really burning out there. So then
Speaker 1: Spike goes to sleep and he has troubling dreams, including
Speaker 1: you know, about the anxiety is feeling about his mom
Speaker 1: and and enlarge and what they've seen to the chase
Speaker 1: that they had being pursued by the infected, and also
Speaker 1: the fact that now he is increasingly concerned that his
Speaker 1: dad is lying to him and the community is not
Speaker 1: telling them a complete truth. He's very concerned about his
Speaker 1: mother's health and he's thinking all the time about like,
Speaker 1: isn't there anything we could do to help her? And
Speaker 1: there seems to be nothing. Again, this very like NHS coded,
Speaker 1: Well there's no doctor and we just have to go on.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't dream of anything else. Don't even
Speaker 1: think about wishing that there was medical help here. We
Speaker 1: must sold.
Speaker 2: Strange because obviously the NHS is like a founding principle
Speaker 2: of what is great about England, even though it's only
Speaker 2: been around for you know, just like under one hundred years.
Speaker 2: But it is very interesting that on this island. There's
Speaker 2: just no doctor and soldiers. Very specific and again probably
Speaker 2: to do with whatever the weird cult aspects are that
Speaker 2: we don't kind of fully learn about. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: idea that there's no doctor and essentially that while the
Speaker 2: rest of the island lives kind of in like a
Speaker 2: cozy you know, this kind of feudal ideal of like
Speaker 2: a past England, which is what I think they're kind
Speaker 2: of playing on here. She lives in like a very dirty,
Speaker 2: gross room where her sheets are likely filthy, yes, Isler,
Speaker 2: and even downstairs, where Jamie and Spike seem to live,
Speaker 2: is better. So there is a hint to Jamie Isler
Speaker 2: is just like a burden, and it's very clear that
Speaker 2: that's how he feels. I'm kind of get into that
Speaker 2: even more so.
Speaker 1: Spike's having bad dreams. But then he's awoken because the
Speaker 1: house is just collapsing. It's a very old house and
Speaker 1: it's been through a lot and it's partially wrecked anyway.
Speaker 1: So they rush out of the house, but then they're
Speaker 1: pursued by the infected, who were drawn by the sound.
Speaker 1: And this is our first encounter with what they call
Speaker 1: the alphas, which are like the biggest. They're like the
Speaker 1: Boss infected. They're huge, they take like multiple arrows to
Speaker 1: break down. In fact, it's only really like one of
Speaker 1: the metal harpoons that they have back at that island
Speaker 1: that can that are you know, like anchored into the ground,
Speaker 1: that can really take one down. So they're pursued by this,
Speaker 1: and they run all the way back to the shore,
Speaker 1: back to the causeway, and it's very early and so
Speaker 1: there's still water over the causeway.
Speaker 2: But seeing the kind of the northern lights again, Yes,
Speaker 2: they're in Scotland and they run across and they're being
Speaker 2: pursued by what they call in this movie the Alpha.
Speaker 2: And the idea here is like the Alpha is a
Speaker 2: zombie that kind of well or an infected that in
Speaker 2: experience is more understanding that waited for them, didn't just
Speaker 2: run away there is.
Speaker 1: It's a leader of It's a leader of some sort.
Speaker 2: I will say, I do think that this leans into
Speaker 2: one of in my opinion, Alex Garland less so Danny
Speaker 2: boyle biggest issues, which is like, this is one of
Speaker 2: the only brown characters in the movie, and talk about this,
Speaker 2: Actually you think it fits into the space I actually fits.
Speaker 1: I actually I think it actually fits into the not
Speaker 1: even the subtext nationalists like yes, because to me, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this more in depth after. But to me,
Speaker 1: twenty eight days later is about terrorism nine to eleven
Speaker 1: and though it was you know, created obviously, while you
Speaker 1: know nine.
Speaker 2: Haven't happened while it was made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight weeks is about the Iraq occupation and
Speaker 1: twenty eight years is about Brexit and nationalism in England.
Speaker 1: So I think it actually I think it actually fits,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that later. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: break in.
Speaker 2: We'll be up.
Speaker 1: We're at Okay, So they run down the causeway. The
Speaker 1: defenders are roused. They are you know, the defenders managed
Speaker 1: to load that big crossbow and take down the Alpha,
Speaker 1: and Jamie's pounding on the gate like let us say,
Speaker 1: let us in, but they have to check their eyes
Speaker 1: to make sure, you know, and like wait thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: And they're both so stressed that you can't tell whether
Speaker 2: it's very driver or so or not, you know, you understand,
Speaker 2: and and they have to waste to be the logical
Speaker 2: leader makes them kind of wait. It's a great tense moment,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's it's very interesting. Also should note has
Speaker 2: come and just pulled up. They're on the house that
Speaker 2: they hide in. Somebody just scrawled the word Jimmy on it.
Speaker 2: And because we've got Jamie as the dad, you kind
Speaker 2: of think, well, maybe the reason he knows how to
Speaker 2: go there is he is Jimmy the kid from the beginning.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of interesting twists there. How does Aaron
Speaker 2: Taylor Johnson's character know this area so well? But then
Speaker 2: they end up back on the island and there's a
Speaker 2: huge party for them. They've already kind of started partying,
Speaker 2: which is very funny, I think because again leans into
Speaker 2: this kind of nationalistic idea of like, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: even if they don't come back, we're still celebrating because
Speaker 2: we're still like keeping on. You know, they don't really
Speaker 2: care whether they come back or not, because it's quite
Speaker 2: clear at this point they missed low Tide. Originally they
Speaker 2: might not come back. But the party is going strong.
Speaker 2: Everybody's wasted, and it's very chaotically filmed.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of very much Yeah, it's very much
Speaker 1: like the party is very much like you know, west
Speaker 1: Ham just won the f A Cup.
Speaker 2: Yes, very much like that. Also like very much in
Speaker 2: very much giving like a slaughtered lamb from the American
Speaker 2: wealth in London, and you know, and and and they did,
Speaker 2: so we'd mentioned Boyle and Alex scland. But the other
Speaker 2: big thing here is that Anthony DoD Mantle, who's the
Speaker 2: cinematographer of the original movie, is back for this one.
Speaker 2: And I think they do really interesting stuff with the
Speaker 2: editing to make you feel structurally like you're in the.
Speaker 1: In there's so much inter cutting. Yes, let's talk about
Speaker 1: that in a second. So okay, the We're at the
Speaker 1: party and Jamie is recounting Spike's kill to the Gathered community,
Speaker 1: and he's he's embellishing to the point of lying about
Speaker 1: what's saying.
Speaker 2: He didn't just kill the one zombie. He doesn't tell
Speaker 2: them that he missed any because once the fast zombie
Speaker 2: started coming, Spike just couldn't keep up because he's literally
Speaker 2: a baby, and Jamie doesn't care. He's calling him the
Speaker 2: giant Killer. He's telling these stories and it's finally settling
Speaker 2: in that his suspicions about his dad being a liar
Speaker 2: are true. Spike is realizing his dad is a liar, and.
Speaker 1: He's very troubled.
Speaker 2: Her uncomfortable and then we get the kind of big
Speaker 2: reveal about Jamie, which is we there was a woman
Speaker 2: who when they were leaving, smiling at him, and then
Speaker 2: we see that he's fucking a school teacher, and as
Speaker 2: me and Joel were celebrating in our seats last night,
Speaker 2: he happily eats out that teacher just on the street,
Speaker 2: like in front of his child. By the way, he's
Speaker 2: gone to the dark away, but come on that. It's like,
Speaker 2: come on, and Spike sees them. He's very upset. He
Speaker 2: goes back to his mum. Yeah, just going to notice
Speaker 2: that's the second horror movie of the summer. Al he's
Speaker 2: seen a woman get eating out on screen. Sinnas and
Speaker 2: twenty eight Years like this go to celebrate.
Speaker 1: And both both spoiler featuring Jack O'Connell. Anyway, So so
Speaker 1: Spike goes home and there's an older member of the
Speaker 1: community there and he was asleep, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like say, I'm watching the house, and Spike questions him
Speaker 1: about he saw this fire and Sam is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's doctor doctor Kelson. And Spike's like, wait, there's a
Speaker 1: doctor and he's like, yeah, yeah, there's a doctor out there.
Speaker 1: He's probably gone crazy. By now nobody's seen him in
Speaker 1: a long time, but like it's probably him, and so
Speaker 1: now Spike really trouble. He crawls into bed with his mom.
Speaker 1: They go to sleep. There's this wonderful more editing of
Speaker 1: like Isla is like asking Spike who she thinks is
Speaker 1: her dad, like to go to the store or something,
Speaker 1: and we see like this wonderful.
Speaker 2: Like uh.
Speaker 1: Shot of the village on the mainland before and then now,
Speaker 1: and then Spike wakes up. He goes down to breakfast,
Speaker 1: and he confronts Jamie about the doctor. What was this
Speaker 1: about the doctor? You didn't tell me there's a fucking doctor.
Speaker 1: And Jamie is like's not a doctor, and he's like, yes,
Speaker 1: there is, like Sam told me, and so Jamie is pissed,
Speaker 1: but he tells him and he tells him like a
Speaker 1: scary story. He's like, well, you know, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: we creeped over there and we saw doctor Kelson with
Speaker 1: all these bodies lined up like head to toe, very
Speaker 1: very neatly, and he saw us looking at him from
Speaker 1: the hill and he waved at us very casually, like
Speaker 1: come on down, guys, have a spot of tea, and
Speaker 1: we ran away okay, and so that's.
Speaker 2: The story to say something. First of all, yeah, Jimmy, Jamie,
Speaker 2: why your name is Aaron Taylor Johnson. I'm bad.
Speaker 1: I love that we're just shitting on Jami.
Speaker 2: I'm a Jamie hey, honestly, but he's very hateable. He's
Speaker 2: very hateable, and Amaron Taylor Johnson does a great job.
Speaker 2: But I think this is really interesting too because I
Speaker 2: think this shows the kind of classic horror nature of
Speaker 2: like lack of communication. Because my first thought, and look,
Speaker 2: is doctor Kelson at least slightly crazy? Yes, but my
Speaker 2: first thought was he is a doctor and he's just
Speaker 2: burning all the infected like that seems kind of smart
Speaker 2: to me. And it was interesting that in that moment
Speaker 2: and in that tribalism, they saw this thing that was
Speaker 2: obviously completely terrifying and he's dressed in like a doctor's
Speaker 2: thing with a mask on, and they ran away. But
Speaker 2: it's also like, Jamie, that guy is a doctor, like
Speaker 2: your wife is clearly severely ill.
Speaker 1: Again, I think when you kind of like dig under
Speaker 1: the surface, it's like this anti science, anti immigrant, anti
Speaker 1: the main absolutely knowing anything else about anything. It's this
Speaker 1: very insular like again breaks it like.
Speaker 2: Oh, very brexit, very co to.
Speaker 1: Dedication to separation from everything, from every influence and making
Speaker 1: everything seem like it's fucking great by lying about the
Speaker 1: bravery that you're displaying when you're taking like twelve year
Speaker 1: old boys out into the woods to get chased by zombies. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh also yes, just quickly to note it's I was
Speaker 2: just googling.
Speaker 1: It's slow lows slow lows okay, slow los okay. So
Speaker 1: Spite decides, you know what, I'm taking Mom to the doctor.
Speaker 1: So he sets a fire to kind of like create
Speaker 1: a distraction, gets mom up, gets his arrows, he gets
Speaker 1: his stuff, He gets a big bag of apples, and
Speaker 1: they set off, and he.
Speaker 2: Loves apples, like Kawi Lennard, loving apples.
Speaker 1: You loveing these apple full of apples, full of apples.
Speaker 1: So they go out. They spend the night in a church,
Speaker 1: in this beautiful like stone church that I believe we
Speaker 1: are meant to think is the church from the cold open.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that we are supposed to see that.
Speaker 2: I think that they are very close to that part
Speaker 2: of the mainland.
Speaker 1: And I agree, and.
Speaker 2: It's clear by church.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's clearly what happens at the end that we
Speaker 1: are in the in the same area as the cold
Speaker 1: over it. So they spend the night and Spike is
Speaker 1: supposed to keep the watch, but he falls asleep, and
Speaker 1: when he falls asleep, one of these slolos crawls up
Speaker 1: and is about to bite them. But then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like a dream, he wakes up in the
Speaker 1: morning and the slolo is dead with a shirt or
Speaker 1: something over its head so that it can be so
Speaker 1: they could be killed without the blood splattering everywhere. And
Speaker 1: we realized that it was his mother. Yeah, also doesn't
Speaker 1: remember doing it, ilad did it.
Speaker 2: She kind of has like a flashback protectiveness.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also I thought this was really interesting too because
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of an implication head before
Speaker 2: she got sick, she was probably like a.
Speaker 1: Badass too, And I got that as well.
Speaker 2: It fits Jamie's kind of old school version of life,
Speaker 2: this kind of looking back at history where men are
Speaker 2: the leaders and men are the ones who do everything.
Speaker 2: It kind of suits him to have her trapped in
Speaker 2: the house, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that's that's I think that's
Speaker 1: the correct read. In fact, I think that to your point,
Speaker 1: Jamie was probably now we're reading into it. But I
Speaker 1: agree with where you're going. I believe that Jamie probably
Speaker 1: felt like my wife's more badass than me.
Speaker 2: What is exactly, I think it's a threat. I think
Speaker 2: she was a threat to him.
Speaker 1: So they wake up in the morning, they set off again.
Speaker 1: Now there's a quick cut to eight soldiers from this
Speaker 1: European task force. They're running. They're running along like a
Speaker 1: sluiceway along the coast, and they're being chased by zombies
Speaker 1: and they're getting wiped out one by one and eventually,
Speaker 1: like an Alpha kills all but one of them by
Speaker 1: tearing the head straight off the body so that the
Speaker 1: spine is attached to We should add that the alphas
Speaker 1: to your point about having more intellect, they also have
Speaker 1: an They also seem to understand symbolism, because they will
Speaker 1: take the heads that they pull off of deer or
Speaker 1: whatever and they'll hang them in the trees as a
Speaker 1: court of sort of street sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because the thing that's interesting, and I do
Speaker 2: think we're going to learn more about this is there
Speaker 2: was a great quote recently from Alex Garland where he
Speaker 2: was essentially like, what you've got to understand is these
Speaker 2: are actually not zombies. They have never gone, they've never
Speaker 2: died and come back to life. Yeah, they are just
Speaker 2: people who are extremely sick with the rage virus. So
Speaker 2: this is essentially the movie begins to imagine what would
Speaker 2: a society look like for those people. Now, it's very
Speaker 2: loose and we don't get to see a lot of it,
Speaker 2: but it's an interesting kind of trail of this tribalism
Speaker 2: and also why raises the question of why does Jamie
Speaker 2: need to go to the mainland to kill zombies. He
Speaker 2: says multiple times they don't need anything from the mainland.
Speaker 2: They don't need anything that they don't already have on
Speaker 2: the village. The village is idyllicy, kind of leaning into
Speaker 2: that notion of socialism, like Jackson Hall, you can take
Speaker 2: what you need, don't take too much. But they don't
Speaker 2: need to go there. So he's choosing to go to
Speaker 2: another space which is now inhabited by different kind of
Speaker 2: people and just kill them for fun, which is.
Speaker 1: Very I agree. And this also I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about our criticism of The Walking Dead, which
Speaker 1: at a certain point I felt the show anyway became
Speaker 1: a story about how Americans are obsessed with guns and
Speaker 1: want to use them neighbors, and Jamie is very much that,
Speaker 1: but in the English way.
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because because of gun laws in
Speaker 2: England post the Tragedy of Thumb, English people, even in
Speaker 2: rural countries like and rural areas, they don't they don't
Speaker 2: get to have guns in the same way as Americans.
Speaker 2: They don't get to and it is a conversation that
Speaker 2: has always been going on about, you know, people trying
Speaker 2: to take people's guns, just like it is here. So
Speaker 2: I think there is an interesting idea of for Jamie,
Speaker 2: what freedom is is like being able to just go
Speaker 2: and kill somebody even when you don't need to. It's
Speaker 2: really scary stuff. And I think that the more you
Speaker 2: dig into this movie, I think it's a pretty deep
Speaker 2: and amazing movie. Honestly, I thought I had some issues,
Speaker 2: but I think they kind of. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of what they do here is actually very intentional and.
Speaker 1: The SAME's I'm eager to dig into it because I
Speaker 1: had the same takeaway that it's a tremendously deep and
Speaker 1: angry zombie film that is like worth thinking about. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the last surviving Swedish named Eric, who's this wonderful
Speaker 1: comic relief.
Speaker 2: He's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. He saves Spike and Isla from a
Speaker 1: zombie attack at a shell gas station. The s has
Speaker 1: fallen off, so which assists Hell and it's like which
Speaker 1: is a joke from twenty eight Days.
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, also as well, a great kind
Speaker 2: of real English experience here, which is a side of
Speaker 2: the road kind of restaurants. We don't even really call
Speaker 2: them din as. They always have funny names like Happy
Speaker 2: Eta and Little Chef, and that's kind of where they
Speaker 2: end up here. It's Benzi and has kind of come
Speaker 2: up from the ground of the shell you for years,
Speaker 2: and it's full of gas. Eric manages to basically blow
Speaker 2: the place up save them and then kind of realizes
Speaker 2: he's stuck in this unusual situation where currently Eiler is
Speaker 2: disassociating and thinks that Spike is her dad, and it's
Speaker 2: really really they do a great job making this situation
Speaker 2: that is quite heartbreaking, very funny just because of Eric's reactions,
Speaker 2: and there's some great moments like Eric carries Eyler a
Speaker 2: long way and then she kind of comes back to
Speaker 2: herself and walks, and he goes, wait, she can walk
Speaker 2: and everyone in the cinema was like cracking up a
Speaker 2: very fat and they and they make their way to
Speaker 2: get yes.
Speaker 1: So Eric. From Eric, we learned that essentially life on
Speaker 1: the European continent and presumably in the rest of the
Speaker 1: world has gone on as normal without it.
Speaker 2: They have mobile phones, they.
Speaker 1: Have the society has gone on. Nobody seems to miss
Speaker 1: England that much. Eric the Internet. They have the Internet,
Speaker 1: they have cell phones. Spiker's like, what is that? What's
Speaker 1: the Internet? What's he doesn't under He's like Captain America
Speaker 1: who just got woken up? None of the references. And
Speaker 1: Eric shows like a picture of his fiance and what
Speaker 1: is one of the most like just a hilarious moment,
Speaker 1: like in any that. So and so they go on.
Speaker 1: Eventually they they come to this train and Isla hears
Speaker 1: these sounds from inside the train. She goes in. She
Speaker 1: kind of breaks away from from everybody and goes inside.
Speaker 1: And there we see and infected a pregnant effect in
Speaker 1: giving birth. And we had seen this infected woman kind
Speaker 1: of wandering around previously, and in this moment of true humanity,
Speaker 1: Isla like reaches out and helps brace this infected woman
Speaker 1: so that she can properly give birth and also have
Speaker 1: this like kind of connection with another woman to support
Speaker 1: her in this moment, like woman's woman and.
Speaker 2: She's so scared and she's in so much pain, and.
Speaker 1: There's this real, it's a real moment of like connectedness
Speaker 1: where the infected nature of this person fades just enough
Speaker 1: to allow her like essential womanhood and humanity to come
Speaker 1: through a turn with another woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also as well, just another thing I thought
Speaker 2: was really interesting here is I wonder this also hinted
Speaker 2: to me that another reason why maybe they were happy
Speaker 2: to allow Eila to just kind of rot in her
Speaker 2: bed when she was clearly very ill, is I wonder
Speaker 2: if there is a contingent of people on the island
Speaker 2: or in the community who have maybe raised the idea
Speaker 2: that the infected are not just mindless zombies. Because she
Speaker 2: reaches out to that woman in just instantly, like it isstantly,
Speaker 2: almost kind of natural to her, She slowly reaches out,
Speaker 2: she helps the infected woman give birth, and then the
Speaker 2: infected woman kind of turns back to her feral nature
Speaker 2: when she sees Eric with a gun and Eric kills her.
Speaker 1: Eric Eric kills her.
Speaker 2: So it turns out the baby.
Speaker 1: The baby's fine. Apparently the placenta a mother's womb is
Speaker 1: an effective filter for infection. More on that later. And
Speaker 1: now Ila and Spike go running away from the alpha
Speaker 1: partner of this woman who has come raging through the
Speaker 1: train and is now chasing them, chasing them across the field,
Speaker 1: and just when he's about to get his paws on them,
Speaker 1: a dart. And this, by the way, this alpha is
Speaker 1: the blown uh person of color. As far as there
Speaker 1: might have been others in the.
Speaker 2: Crowd of people on the island, but.
Speaker 1: They don't I think one of Asian.
Speaker 2: All of the definitely Asian. So we do see. But
Speaker 2: generally this is the predominant costing yeah, passion that we
Speaker 2: have in the movie.
Speaker 1: So so gets hit with like a sleep dart. And
Speaker 1: now we meet doctor Kelson Ray Fines, Ralph Fines. He's
Speaker 1: covered in iodine in order to stop like infected, to
Speaker 1: kill in the infection within blood that splatters on him.
Speaker 1: And he apologizes like I'm so sorry for my appearance,
Speaker 1: and then he is like this alpha is and I
Speaker 1: forget what he had named to Samson. This is Samson.
Speaker 1: He's been in the area for about three years or so,
Speaker 1: and It's clear that Kelson has this very interesting almost
Speaker 1: this relationship with the infected where he views them still
Speaker 1: as people and part of the natural world. He's unwilling
Speaker 1: to kill Samson.
Speaker 2: And he's been living essentially like a side by side
Speaker 2: with him simply through this still like medication. But I
Speaker 2: think it's very interesting because again it presents a different
Speaker 2: way of living and thinking about things correct.
Speaker 1: So they they retire to doctor Kelson's what they call
Speaker 1: the Bone Church, what I'm calling Bone Henge, which is
Speaker 1: this massive stonehenge of bones, which is what doctor Kelson
Speaker 1: has been working on. He tells them, you know, they're
Speaker 1: just people who are very ill, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: create I was worried that I would live the rest
Speaker 1: of my life and die without explaining what this is
Speaker 1: to somebody. This is my memorial to everyone who has
Speaker 1: died in the area. To make sure that people, whatever
Speaker 1: happens in the coming years, that people will see this
Speaker 1: and understand that these are all the human beings who
Speaker 1: had thoughts and loved ones and emotions and they all perished.
Speaker 1: And that includes the infected, whose bodies he gathers up
Speaker 1: and burns and then places their skulls and bones in
Speaker 1: these huge towers. So Spike's like, well, we've been looking
Speaker 1: for a you're a doctor, can you examine my mom?
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He realizes that Isla has cancer and it's
Speaker 1: very far along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was always like if you've ever, you know,
Speaker 2: watched a movie or a TV show, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: some of the men on that island have they have
Speaker 2: memories that are older than that. Because it's only twenty
Speaker 2: eight years after this, it's very clear she has brain cancer.
Speaker 2: Like just from the way she's behaving, there's obviously a
Speaker 2: brain tumor. She's having nosebleeds, she's having disassociative kind of moments,
Speaker 2: and it has missed because she's been in that bedroom
Speaker 2: however long. It's metastasized and it's gone to the rest
Speaker 2: of her body. And she kind of reveals at this
Speaker 2: point that she sort of knew that was the case,
Speaker 2: but she just wanted someone else to be the one
Speaker 2: to tell her son. She didn't want to have to
Speaker 2: deal with that and upset.
Speaker 1: So Spikers obviously shattered that there's nothing that can be done.
Speaker 1: And while he Ala is like holding him and trying
Speaker 1: to comfort him, this kind of understanding passes between her
Speaker 1: and the doctor that okay, go ahead and hit him
Speaker 1: with a little bit of that tranquilizer.
Speaker 2: She shit him a little bit of that morphine.
Speaker 1: A little so he could do what comes next. So
Speaker 1: he trank darts him, and then trank darts the mom
Speaker 1: who and then they go off and she allows herself
Speaker 1: to be euthanized. It's her choice, and he renders her
Speaker 1: body into bones and returns with the skull. And when
Speaker 1: Spike kind of is coming to he says to Spike,
Speaker 1: you know, remember I told you this phrase and he
Speaker 1: told her earlier Memento Morian's Latin, and remember you must die,
Speaker 1: and you know remember that you are. It will give
Speaker 1: your life, meaning it gives all of our lives, meaning
Speaker 1: that there will come this moment when we're no more
Speaker 1: and death comes for us all. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of bad ways you can go, but there are good
Speaker 1: ways too, and the good ways are where you're with
Speaker 1: your loved ones. You pass peacefully. And you know he's
Speaker 1: trying to say that your mother decided, she took agency, decided.
Speaker 1: Now I'm with my son, I'm with a doctor, I'm
Speaker 1: with someone who values life, and now is the time
Speaker 1: that I want to go not alone in this room
Speaker 1: while my husband is out fucking the school teacher exactly.
Speaker 2: And he passes the he passes the skull to Spike,
Speaker 2: and interestingly, here Spike has actually already placed a skull
Speaker 2: because they had Eric's head and the doctor decided he
Speaker 2: was gonna render all the fout of that, give him
Speaker 2: the skull and let Spike place it. And now he says,
Speaker 2: he gives him his mum's skull, and he says, you know,
Speaker 2: place it in the very best place. And so he
Speaker 2: climbs to the top of this huge mountain of kind
Speaker 2: of probably like thirty foot tall mountain of skulls, and
Speaker 2: he places his mom's head on the top and he
Speaker 2: watches the sunrise and then.
Speaker 1: It's it's really moving. So it is an incredibly movies.
Speaker 1: This sequence is we haven't even really timely gone.
Speaker 2: Is like the cinematography in this is amazing and it's
Speaker 2: gonna blow people's minds because guess what, as they have
Speaker 2: talked about, but this has now been confirmed in a
Speaker 2: recent La Times piece with the three major players, Garland
Speaker 2: Boil and DoD Mantle, the cinematographer. In a chat with
Speaker 2: Mark Olson, they confirmed that seventy five to eighty percent
Speaker 2: of this movie was shot entirely on iPhones. I mean,
Speaker 2: it looks and the cinematography is unbelievable. There are these
Speaker 2: really beautiful shots of England and this kind of idyllic,
Speaker 2: huge rural spaces. It's really quite fantastic to look at.
Speaker 2: And that sequence leads to kind of our final moments
Speaker 2: of the movie where Spike he takes the baby in
Speaker 2: a little shopping basket which I loved, and he goes
Speaker 2: back to that. He makes it back to the island,
Speaker 2: and I thought that he was going to keep the baby,
Speaker 2: but instead he goes across the causeway. He hangs the
Speaker 2: baby up outside, leaves a note in it, and decides that.
Speaker 2: We see twenty six days later he has left and
Speaker 2: he is living on his own and he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to return to his father understandable, who by the way
Speaker 2: we see hit him earlier in the movie, who he
Speaker 2: know kind of his mom sequested away like that, and
Speaker 2: he decides he's just going to go it alone. His
Speaker 2: dad is very mad about it. He wants to have
Speaker 2: something to control. He kind of screams his way into
Speaker 2: the center of the ocean, and you think you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like an emotionally raw place to end the movie. No,
Speaker 2: because Danny Boyle has a trick off his sleeve, absolutely
Speaker 2: deranged and on him insane. The moment where I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm totally in this was actually the thing I think.
Speaker 1: I was in before this, but when this Okay, So
Speaker 1: Spike is on his travels. He's on a kind of
Speaker 1: lonely road, this one lane, twisty road heading up it
Speaker 1: seems north, and he stopped to have a fish that
Speaker 1: he had caught and he's eating it, but then the
Speaker 1: infect had come, and so he takes a couple out,
Speaker 1: but then there's more and he starts running. He comes
Speaker 1: to a part of the road where it's been blocked
Speaker 1: off by all these stones, and now the infected are
Speaker 1: really racing. Enemy takes one down and then but there's
Speaker 1: more coming up behind him, and then he hears the
Speaker 1: voice and it's our friend Jack O'Connell from Sinners.
Speaker 2: The Irish Empire, from Sinners Irish Skins.
Speaker 1: Who was the who was the boy who survived from Open.
Speaker 2: Not we assumed The film wants you to think that
Speaker 2: it's Aaron Taylor Johnson because his name is Jamie, and
Speaker 2: his name was Jimmy. But we see here that this
Speaker 2: character who is wearing a full personal scribe with a
Speaker 2: long blonde wig with a crown like a little tiara,
Speaker 2: and he's on round his neck. He has the chain
Speaker 2: that his father gave him, but he's wearing the cross
Speaker 2: upside down and he's like, oh, hello, like, do you
Speaker 2: need any help? May we step in? And suddenly he's
Speaker 2: got like four.
Speaker 1: The way, who I.
Speaker 2: Learned are also all called Jimmy in this world, and
Speaker 2: one of them is our favorite, Aaron Kellyman. We love her.
Speaker 2: She's one of the Jimmy's from the fame.
Speaker 1: Of Solo and Solo.
Speaker 2: Yes, Brave Winter Soldier, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. She's
Speaker 2: great and so yes, we end up in a situation
Speaker 2: where these kids jump in or wearing different colored tracksuits
Speaker 2: and doing some insane like gymnastics style fighting with golf
Speaker 2: clubs and just take out the infected. And it's one
Speaker 2: of the wildest left turns because.
Speaker 1: Not only not only do they take them out, but
Speaker 1: they take them out with this almost martial arts flips
Speaker 1: like somersaults.
Speaker 2: And they each have different moves kind of chopping off
Speaker 2: the zombie heads. So this is my theory. When we
Speaker 2: first meet Jimmy, him and the kids are in that room,
Speaker 2: he sees them get killed. They're watching Tellytubbies on VHS.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out that Jimmy and
Speaker 2: his friends like taught themselves via watching like martial arts
Speaker 2: movies on VHS. I think there's a big in here
Speaker 2: with like reused footage, b roll kind of notions of
Speaker 2: like what stories have impacted these kids who are fighting,
Speaker 2: impact these kind of patriotic visions of like English people
Speaker 2: shooting these arrows to warring countries, and and I think
Speaker 2: that leads into this. But it's absolutely unhinged. And if
Speaker 2: you don't, if it doesn't hit for you, I think
Speaker 2: it could make you really dislike the movie. But I
Speaker 2: loved it because what it implies. One it ties together
Speaker 2: cold open clothes, but also it is very much about
Speaker 2: You're starting to understand that the way that Spike and
Speaker 2: his family lived is just one way that people are
Speaker 2: living in this space in this apocalypse. And we're clearly
Speaker 2: gonna learn more about people like Dr Kelson, about like
Speaker 2: Jimmy's who I believe his name is, like sir Jimmy
Speaker 2: Crystal is the full name, so like, I'm so excited
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. And Jack O'Connell the last movie,
Speaker 2: he kind of the last thing he says to him
Speaker 2: is he's like, let's be pals and you kind of end.
Speaker 2: So you imagine that Spike is gonna be with these characters.
Speaker 2: Jay said before we end, give us your read on
Speaker 2: this movie, because I think it's correct.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay, here here's my reactions. Is me. First
Speaker 1: of all, I really feel like, listen, it is notable
Speaker 1: that there are so few characters color and none on
Speaker 1: the island zero And I think.
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple, maybe a kidney, but you don't.
Speaker 2: They're not major play as. You don't see them a lot.
Speaker 1: And I think it's very I think that's done very
Speaker 1: consciously because I think this is essentially again, I believe
Speaker 1: it's the Brexit slash nationalism twenty eight later entrant in
Speaker 1: the franchise, and I think it's about how it's about
Speaker 1: this reality in which England has separated itself or been
Speaker 1: separated from the rest of the world. In europe Brexit,
Speaker 1: and that the rest of the world has gone on
Speaker 1: as normal, while in England they have been reduced to
Speaker 1: this almost medieval regret type of reality where they're living
Speaker 1: behind walls. And this is hammered home by these constant
Speaker 1: snippets that are edited in of like John Gilgood movies
Speaker 1: where you know where you're seeing classic scene classic movies,
Speaker 1: scenes from classic English movies of you know, archers on
Speaker 1: the on the hillside taking out like armies of cavalry
Speaker 1: and sieges being undertaken against castles. And to me, it's
Speaker 1: the movie very consciously is placing this film in a
Speaker 1: continuum of an ideal English culture, even to the point
Speaker 1: of there's like a Canterbury Tales type feel to the story.
Speaker 2: Oh very much, with the with the way that different
Speaker 2: characters coming.
Speaker 1: In, like Eric coming in with these like absurd in
Speaker 1: these kind of like absurd setups within a larger journey
Speaker 1: to somewhere right. And the hero of the film is
Speaker 1: not a Jamie who is this again insular kind of dunderheaded,
Speaker 1: ignores his wife, kind of classic football hoodlum of a guy.
Speaker 1: It's the son who is like all of this is lies,
Speaker 1: All of this we go it alone is lies. My
Speaker 1: dad is lying to me. All the stuff around me
Speaker 1: in this town appears to be propaganda. I want to
Speaker 1: know what the rest of the world is about. And
Speaker 1: the other hero of this story is the doctor, right,
Speaker 1: the man of sciences, humanity, who says, these are people. Samson,
Speaker 1: again one of the few characters of color in the story.
Speaker 1: In an indifferent zombie movie, they'd slaughter him, but doctor
Speaker 1: Kelson is just like, no, no, we're not gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna put him to sleep, and then we're gonna go
Speaker 1: away and we're gonna let the natural world take its course.
Speaker 1: And that character is never killed, We never see you
Speaker 1: know that he is, in fact just like living side
Speaker 1: by side in a type of community amongst these these people.
Speaker 1: And so I think that to me, this is this
Speaker 1: is a story about the dangers of insolarity, of nativism
Speaker 1: and disconnection from the rest of the world, of of
Speaker 1: a antipathy towards learning and towards community. And in that sense,
Speaker 1: I think it's a very deep and moving film and
Speaker 1: a tremendously angry film. Also because it's also saying like,
Speaker 1: look at what when we decide to do this, look
Speaker 1: at what happens. Look at what we become. Look at
Speaker 1: the way we're just letting this person die alone, and
Speaker 1: we're so ashamed by it that we pretend that everything
Speaker 1: is that these characters are pretending everything's actually a brain.
Speaker 1: That my wife is dying like alone with no doctor,
Speaker 1: And shouldn't we want more? Shouldn't we think where is
Speaker 1: the doctor?
Speaker 2: But no, the that's right, And I think you touch
Speaker 2: on something really good. And in the in that New
Speaker 2: alle Times article, they basically say that this is what
Speaker 2: Boyle says. We had the idea of looking back and
Speaker 2: valuing of these supposed English virtues of this heroic defiance.
Speaker 2: You know, we few, we band of brothers, says Boyle,
Speaker 2: quoting Shakespeare. And they talk about the sound that has
Speaker 2: become like a viral TikTok sound, which was the extended
Speaker 2: teaser trailer from last year, which had the really intense
Speaker 2: nineteen fifteen recording of the Rudyard Kipling poem Boots read
Speaker 2: by the actor Taylor Holmes, with its hypnotically repeated line
Speaker 2: of boots, boots, boots moving up and down again, and
Speaker 2: they kind of talk about how originally they were going
Speaker 2: to use the speech from Henry the fifth the Saint
Speaker 2: Crispin's Day speech, but it was too much. And I
Speaker 2: think that it is really a movie about thinking about legacy,
Speaker 2: what gets left behind, the ways that you kind of
Speaker 2: stop this stuff unintentionally or intentionally. And yeah, I just
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. I think it's going to be a
Speaker 2: very interesting film to look back at. And I'm very
Speaker 2: excited because the next movie, which is actually was made
Speaker 2: by Nia da Costa, has already been filmed back to
Speaker 2: back with this, and that is twenty eight years later
Speaker 2: Bone Church, So it will be very interesting to see
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 1: An incredible, incredible film where they haven't been able to
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to stop thinking about it, and
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next one to come out.
Speaker 1: Really fascinating movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally way more than I was expecting to chop up.
Speaker 2: And it's going to be really fun to talk about
Speaker 2: this on our round table. Oh I can't, Joelle, I
Speaker 2: am common.
Speaker 1: Yes. So on the next episode of X ray Vision,
Speaker 1: We've got news in a special interview with Sam Bailey,
Speaker 1: director of Ironheart on Disney Plus episodes one through three
Speaker 1: or directed by Sam. So check that out. That's for
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