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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for twenty eight years later,

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Speaker 1: the latest edition in Danny Boyle's Fast Zombie Infected Saga. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Cooncepcion Mersey Night, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to X ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep.

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Speaker 2: Hub plus news. In today's episode, we're jumping into the

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Speaker 2: quarantine zone where I should already be because apparently all

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Speaker 2: English people are in the quarantine zone and we are

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Speaker 2: recapping twenty eight years later. Bomp, bomp.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, Rosie. The first thing I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you is what kind of English accents are these?

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Speaker 1: They feel kind of a little Liverpudlian.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it is. I think I believe from

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Speaker 2: what we see at the beginning, they are somewhere in Scotland,

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Speaker 2: so I think you're getting like northern accents, Northern Scottish,

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Speaker 2: some Scottish. I was impressed by Aaron Taylor Johnson specifically,

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Speaker 2: I felt like he was doing a great accent. It

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Speaker 2: feels like the kid's accent was was definitely like his

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Speaker 2: own accent. He was doing a great job. The kid

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Speaker 2: who played Spike. And then obviously Jodi Comer is a

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Speaker 2: famous liver Pudley and I believe so I think that

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Speaker 2: her accent was also a correct accent. I'm I'm very

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Speaker 2: interested about the choice to tell the story in this

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Speaker 2: isolated little ta I have been so much interesting stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what do you want to do? You want to off

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Speaker 2: the dome recap it together? And then they go off

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Speaker 2: about Okay, not that much, but there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about, like psychologically, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll we'll plot it out and then we'll

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Speaker 1: do a quick off the dom recap and then we

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Speaker 1: will we'll really kind of dig in. So okay, we

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Speaker 1: open on a cold open of the spreading infection that

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Speaker 1: is now spreading to this part of the UK, which,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, appears to be in northern England, somewhere

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Speaker 1: towards the border of Scotland, and we watch as a

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Speaker 1: the community have been sheltering and we watch this house

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Speaker 1: get overrun. We watch this young boy escape the house.

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Speaker 1: He runs to a nearby church where his dad is

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Speaker 1: the pre east and he says, Dad, what's going on? Like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? His dad says, well, it's judgment day.

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Speaker 1: It's it's awesome, this is great.

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Speaker 2: Here take a day to be judged, a.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful day to be judged. Here, take my cross. He

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Speaker 1: His son hides in this like little cell, like under

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Speaker 1: his father, who turns into an affected as well, and

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Speaker 1: then we flash forward to twenty eight years later. Done

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Speaker 1: this dun dun duh. This community that lives on a small,

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Speaker 1: like that island that is I don't know, three hundred

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Speaker 1: Jamie Aaron Taylor Johnson, a strapping father of young Spike

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Speaker 1: played by Alfie Williams, who is twelve and today is

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Speaker 1: getting ready for his first journey onto the Mainland for

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Speaker 1: really no reason. They're not going They're just going to

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Speaker 2: First inkling Aaron Taylor Johnson is maybe not a good dad.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I will argue later spoiler that he is

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Speaker 1: the true villain of this day.

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Speaker 2: He is the true villain of this movie. And I

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Speaker 2: as oh well, out of this duology and now new

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Speaker 2: entry into the franchise, we should say. Yeah. I also

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Speaker 1: In some places, but not to that extent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in England it is really common. I have been

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was a very interesting, unique kind

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Speaker 2: lead to It's it's our hands.

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Speaker 1: It's in a sense an island on the island England.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a microcosm of England itself, and then

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Speaker 1: the culture of this place speaks to that.

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Speaker 2: And very interestingly, And I do think I'm very intrigued

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Speaker 1: The last five minutes of the movie takes an insane

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Speaker 1: left turn, which po will discuss. Okay, so Jamie is

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Speaker 1: going to take Spike to the mainland, not to forge,

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Speaker 2: Kill something that no one else would do until they would.

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Speaker 1: Play he's three years younger. He's three years younger than

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Speaker 1: normally they would do it, but apparently Jamie is convinced

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Speaker 1: He's just going to school. Okay. They head out, They

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Speaker 1: So they go out. They're walking around and they eventually

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Speaker 1: I forget what they called them, slow mos, I think.

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Speaker 2: And look, I have to say, this is a classic.

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Speaker 1: This is the George Romero style, but it's a classic

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Speaker 1: Alex Goland, like Alex golland Danny Boyle, like these are

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Speaker 2: Guinea zombies get to live within community and run around together,

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Speaker 1: And also incredible creature drive.

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Speaker 2: Giving If you saw the Alex Garland movie Men, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a crow like riding on the back of

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Speaker 2: Very nature focused and connected to kind of the land

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, very annihilation like, yes, the reclaiming of the

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Speaker 1: Spike camere, you gotta see this. I really like, this

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Speaker 1: Now you're twelve and it's time to learn about what

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Speaker 2: And Spike is like puking, like he doesn't want to see.

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Speaker 2: The first thing I was thinking, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: but I was like, we've got to compare Jackson Hole

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Speaker 1: The Like, what's going on in Jackson Hall? There's no question? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's when we learn more about the lore of twenty

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Speaker 1: so like Jamie says this, like, look, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a boat out there patrolling the waters to keep the quarantine.

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Speaker 1: Must be the French.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is a thing about this this

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Speaker 2: That something that's extremely specific that they do in this movie,

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Speaker 1: bravery that you're displaying when you're taking like twelve year

433
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: old boys out into the woods to get chased by zombies. Yes, exactly.

434
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: Oh also yes, just quickly to note it's I was

435
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: just googling.

436
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: It's slow lows slow lows okay, slow los okay. So

437
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Spite decides, you know what, I'm taking Mom to the doctor.

438
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: So he sets a fire to kind of like create

439
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: a distraction, gets mom up, gets his arrows, he gets

440
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: his stuff, He gets a big bag of apples, and

441
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: they set off, and he.

442
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: Loves apples, like Kawi Lennard, loving apples.

443
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: You loveing these apple full of apples, full of apples.

444
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: So they go out. They spend the night in a church,

445
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: in this beautiful like stone church that I believe we

446
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: are meant to think is the church from the cold open.

447
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that we are supposed to see that.

448
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: I think that they are very close to that part

449
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: of the mainland.

450
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: And I agree, and.

451
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: It's clear by church.

452
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: Yes, he's clearly what happens at the end that we

453
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: are in the in the same area as the cold

454
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: over it. So they spend the night and Spike is

455
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: supposed to keep the watch, but he falls asleep, and

456
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: when he falls asleep, one of these slolos crawls up

457
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: and is about to bite them. But then next thing,

458
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a dream, he wakes up in the

459
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: morning and the slolo is dead with a shirt or

460
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: something over its head so that it can be so

461
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: they could be killed without the blood splattering everywhere. And

462
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: we realized that it was his mother. Yeah, also doesn't

463
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: remember doing it, ilad did it.

464
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: She kind of has like a flashback protectiveness.

465
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: And also I thought this was really interesting too because

467
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of an implication head before

468
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: she got sick, she was probably like a.

469
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: Badass too, And I got that as well.

470
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: It fits Jamie's kind of old school version of life,

471
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: this kind of looking back at history where men are

472
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: the leaders and men are the ones who do everything.

473
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: It kind of suits him to have her trapped in

474
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: the house, you know.

475
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: I think that I think that's that's I think that's

476
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: the correct read. In fact, I think that to your point,

477
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: Jamie was probably now we're reading into it. But I

478
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: agree with where you're going. I believe that Jamie probably

479
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: felt like my wife's more badass than me.

480
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: What is exactly, I think it's a threat. I think

481
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: she was a threat to him.

482
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: So they wake up in the morning, they set off again.

483
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Now there's a quick cut to eight soldiers from this

484
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: European task force. They're running. They're running along like a

485
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: sluiceway along the coast, and they're being chased by zombies

486
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: and they're getting wiped out one by one and eventually,

487
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: like an Alpha kills all but one of them by

488
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: tearing the head straight off the body so that the

489
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: spine is attached to We should add that the alphas

490
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: to your point about having more intellect, they also have

491
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: an They also seem to understand symbolism, because they will

492
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: take the heads that they pull off of deer or

493
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: whatever and they'll hang them in the trees as a

494
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: court of sort of street sign.

495
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because the thing that's interesting, and I do

496
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: think we're going to learn more about this is there

497
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: was a great quote recently from Alex Garland where he

498
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: was essentially like, what you've got to understand is these

499
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: are actually not zombies. They have never gone, they've never

500
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: died and come back to life. Yeah, they are just

501
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: people who are extremely sick with the rage virus. So

502
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: this is essentially the movie begins to imagine what would

503
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: a society look like for those people. Now, it's very

504
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: loose and we don't get to see a lot of it,

505
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: but it's an interesting kind of trail of this tribalism

506
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: and also why raises the question of why does Jamie

507
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: need to go to the mainland to kill zombies. He

508
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: says multiple times they don't need anything from the mainland.

509
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: They don't need anything that they don't already have on

510
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: the village. The village is idyllicy, kind of leaning into

511
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: that notion of socialism, like Jackson Hall, you can take

512
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: what you need, don't take too much. But they don't

513
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: need to go there. So he's choosing to go to

514
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: another space which is now inhabited by different kind of

515
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: people and just kill them for fun, which is.

516
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Very I agree. And this also I think, you know,

517
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: we've talked about our criticism of The Walking Dead, which

518
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: at a certain point I felt the show anyway became

519
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: a story about how Americans are obsessed with guns and

520
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: want to use them neighbors, and Jamie is very much that,

521
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: but in the English way.

522
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because because of gun laws in

523
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: England post the Tragedy of Thumb, English people, even in

524
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: rural countries like and rural areas, they don't they don't

525
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: get to have guns in the same way as Americans.

526
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: They don't get to and it is a conversation that

527
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: has always been going on about, you know, people trying

528
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: to take people's guns, just like it is here. So

529
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: I think there is an interesting idea of for Jamie,

530
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: what freedom is is like being able to just go

531
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: and kill somebody even when you don't need to. It's

532
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: really scary stuff. And I think that the more you

533
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: dig into this movie, I think it's a pretty deep

534
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: and amazing movie. Honestly, I thought I had some issues,

535
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: but I think they kind of. I think a lot

536
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: of what they do here is actually very intentional and.

537
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: The SAME's I'm eager to dig into it because I

538
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: had the same takeaway that it's a tremendously deep and

539
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: angry zombie film that is like worth thinking about. Okay,

540
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: so the last surviving Swedish named Eric, who's this wonderful

541
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: comic relief.

542
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 2: He's so funny.

543
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: It's so funny. He saves Spike and Isla from a

544
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: zombie attack at a shell gas station. The s has

545
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: fallen off, so which assists Hell and it's like which

546
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: is a joke from twenty eight Days.

547
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, also as well, a great kind

548
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: of real English experience here, which is a side of

549
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: the road kind of restaurants. We don't even really call

550
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: them din as. They always have funny names like Happy

551
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Eta and Little Chef, and that's kind of where they

552
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: end up here. It's Benzi and has kind of come

553
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: up from the ground of the shell you for years,

554
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: and it's full of gas. Eric manages to basically blow

555
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: the place up save them and then kind of realizes

556
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: he's stuck in this unusual situation where currently Eiler is

557
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: disassociating and thinks that Spike is her dad, and it's

558
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: really really they do a great job making this situation

559
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: that is quite heartbreaking, very funny just because of Eric's reactions,

560
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: and there's some great moments like Eric carries Eyler a

561
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: long way and then she kind of comes back to

562
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: herself and walks, and he goes, wait, she can walk

563
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: and everyone in the cinema was like cracking up a

564
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: very fat and they and they make their way to

565
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: get yes.

566
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: So Eric. From Eric, we learned that essentially life on

567
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: the European continent and presumably in the rest of the

568
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: world has gone on as normal without it.

569
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: They have mobile phones, they.

570
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Have the society has gone on. Nobody seems to miss

571
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: England that much. Eric the Internet. They have the Internet,

572
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: they have cell phones. Spiker's like, what is that? What's

573
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: the Internet? What's he doesn't under He's like Captain America

574
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: who just got woken up? None of the references. And

575
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Eric shows like a picture of his fiance and what

576
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: is one of the most like just a hilarious moment,

577
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: like in any that. So and so they go on.

578
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Eventually they they come to this train and Isla hears

579
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: these sounds from inside the train. She goes in. She

580
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: kind of breaks away from from everybody and goes inside.

581
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: And there we see and infected a pregnant effect in

582
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: giving birth. And we had seen this infected woman kind

583
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: of wandering around previously, and in this moment of true humanity,

584
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Isla like reaches out and helps brace this infected woman

585
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: so that she can properly give birth and also have

586
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: this like kind of connection with another woman to support

587
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: her in this moment, like woman's woman and.

588
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: She's so scared and she's in so much pain, and.

589
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: There's this real, it's a real moment of like connectedness

590
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: where the infected nature of this person fades just enough

591
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: to allow her like essential womanhood and humanity to come

592
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: through a turn with another woman.

593
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also as well, just another thing I thought

594
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: was really interesting here is I wonder this also hinted

595
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: to me that another reason why maybe they were happy

596
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: to allow Eila to just kind of rot in her

597
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: bed when she was clearly very ill, is I wonder

598
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: if there is a contingent of people on the island

599
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: or in the community who have maybe raised the idea

600
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: that the infected are not just mindless zombies. Because she

601
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: reaches out to that woman in just instantly, like it isstantly,

602
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: almost kind of natural to her, She slowly reaches out,

603
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: she helps the infected woman give birth, and then the

604
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: infected woman kind of turns back to her feral nature

605
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: when she sees Eric with a gun and Eric kills her.

606
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: Eric Eric kills her.

607
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: So it turns out the baby.

608
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: The baby's fine. Apparently the placenta a mother's womb is

609
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: an effective filter for infection. More on that later. And

610
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: now Ila and Spike go running away from the alpha

611
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: partner of this woman who has come raging through the

612
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: train and is now chasing them, chasing them across the field,

613
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: and just when he's about to get his paws on them,

614
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: a dart. And this, by the way, this alpha is

615
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: the blown uh person of color. As far as there

616
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: might have been others in the.

617
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: Crowd of people on the island, but.

618
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: They don't I think one of Asian.

619
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: All of the definitely Asian. So we do see. But

620
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: generally this is the predominant costing yeah, passion that we

621
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: have in the movie.

622
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: So so gets hit with like a sleep dart. And

623
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: now we meet doctor Kelson Ray Fines, Ralph Fines. He's

624
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: covered in iodine in order to stop like infected, to

625
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: kill in the infection within blood that splatters on him.

626
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: And he apologizes like I'm so sorry for my appearance,

627
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and then he is like this alpha is and I

628
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: forget what he had named to Samson. This is Samson.

629
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: He's been in the area for about three years or so,

630
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: and It's clear that Kelson has this very interesting almost

631
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: this relationship with the infected where he views them still

632
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: as people and part of the natural world. He's unwilling

633
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: to kill Samson.

634
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: And he's been living essentially like a side by side

635
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: with him simply through this still like medication. But I

636
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: think it's very interesting because again it presents a different

637
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: way of living and thinking about things correct.

638
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: So they they retire to doctor Kelson's what they call

639
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: the Bone Church, what I'm calling Bone Henge, which is

640
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: this massive stonehenge of bones, which is what doctor Kelson

641
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: has been working on. He tells them, you know, they're

642
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: just people who are very ill, and I wanted to

643
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: create I was worried that I would live the rest

644
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: of my life and die without explaining what this is

645
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: to somebody. This is my memorial to everyone who has

646
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: died in the area. To make sure that people, whatever

647
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: happens in the coming years, that people will see this

648
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and understand that these are all the human beings who

649
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: had thoughts and loved ones and emotions and they all perished.

650
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: And that includes the infected, whose bodies he gathers up

651
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: and burns and then places their skulls and bones in

652
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: these huge towers. So Spike's like, well, we've been looking

653
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: for a you're a doctor, can you examine my mom?

654
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He realizes that Isla has cancer and it's

655
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: very far along.

656
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was always like if you've ever, you know,

657
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: watched a movie or a TV show, which, by the way,

658
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: some of the men on that island have they have

659
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: memories that are older than that. Because it's only twenty

660
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: eight years after this, it's very clear she has brain cancer.

661
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Like just from the way she's behaving, there's obviously a

662
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: brain tumor. She's having nosebleeds, she's having disassociative kind of moments,

663
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: and it has missed because she's been in that bedroom

664
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: however long. It's metastasized and it's gone to the rest

665
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: of her body. And she kind of reveals at this

666
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: point that she sort of knew that was the case,

667
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: but she just wanted someone else to be the one

668
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: to tell her son. She didn't want to have to

669
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: deal with that and upset.

670
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: So Spikers obviously shattered that there's nothing that can be done.

671
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: And while he Ala is like holding him and trying

672
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: to comfort him, this kind of understanding passes between her

673
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: and the doctor that okay, go ahead and hit him

674
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: with a little bit of that tranquilizer.

675
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: She shit him a little bit of that morphine.

676
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: A little so he could do what comes next. So

677
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: he trank darts him, and then trank darts the mom

678
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: who and then they go off and she allows herself

679
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: to be euthanized. It's her choice, and he renders her

680
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: body into bones and returns with the skull. And when

681
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Spike kind of is coming to he says to Spike,

682
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, remember I told you this phrase and he

683
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: told her earlier Memento Morian's Latin, and remember you must die,

684
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: and you know remember that you are. It will give

685
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: your life, meaning it gives all of our lives, meaning

686
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: that there will come this moment when we're no more

687
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: and death comes for us all. And there's a lot

688
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: of bad ways you can go, but there are good

689
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: ways too, and the good ways are where you're with

690
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: your loved ones. You pass peacefully. And you know he's

691
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: trying to say that your mother decided, she took agency, decided.

692
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm with my son, I'm with a doctor, I'm

693
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: with someone who values life, and now is the time

694
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: that I want to go not alone in this room

695
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: while my husband is out fucking the school teacher exactly.

696
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: And he passes the he passes the skull to Spike,

697
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: and interestingly, here Spike has actually already placed a skull

698
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: because they had Eric's head and the doctor decided he

699
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: was gonna render all the fout of that, give him

700
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: the skull and let Spike place it. And now he says,

701
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: he gives him his mum's skull, and he says, you know,

702
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: place it in the very best place. And so he

703
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: climbs to the top of this huge mountain of kind

704
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: of probably like thirty foot tall mountain of skulls, and

705
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: he places his mom's head on the top and he

706
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: watches the sunrise and then.

707
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: It's it's really moving. So it is an incredibly movies.

708
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: This sequence is we haven't even really timely gone.

709
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: Is like the cinematography in this is amazing and it's

710
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: gonna blow people's minds because guess what, as they have

711
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: talked about, but this has now been confirmed in a

712
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: recent La Times piece with the three major players, Garland

713
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Boil and DoD Mantle, the cinematographer. In a chat with

714
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: Mark Olson, they confirmed that seventy five to eighty percent

715
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: of this movie was shot entirely on iPhones. I mean,

716
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: it looks and the cinematography is unbelievable. There are these

717
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: really beautiful shots of England and this kind of idyllic,

718
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: huge rural spaces. It's really quite fantastic to look at.

719
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: And that sequence leads to kind of our final moments

720
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: of the movie where Spike he takes the baby in

721
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: a little shopping basket which I loved, and he goes

722
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: back to that. He makes it back to the island,

723
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: and I thought that he was going to keep the baby,

724
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: but instead he goes across the causeway. He hangs the

725
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: baby up outside, leaves a note in it, and decides that.

726
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: We see twenty six days later he has left and

727
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: he is living on his own and he doesn't want

728
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: to return to his father understandable, who by the way

729
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: we see hit him earlier in the movie, who he

730
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 2: know kind of his mom sequested away like that, and

731
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: he decides he's just going to go it alone. His

732
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: dad is very mad about it. He wants to have

733
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: something to control. He kind of screams his way into

734
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: the center of the ocean, and you think you're like, oh,

735
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: this is like an emotionally raw place to end the movie. No,

736
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: because Danny Boyle has a trick off his sleeve, absolutely

737
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: deranged and on him insane. The moment where I felt like, Okay,

738
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm totally in this was actually the thing I think.

739
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: I was in before this, but when this Okay, So

740
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: Spike is on his travels. He's on a kind of

741
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: lonely road, this one lane, twisty road heading up it

742
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: seems north, and he stopped to have a fish that

743
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: he had caught and he's eating it, but then the

744
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: infect had come, and so he takes a couple out,

745
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: but then there's more and he starts running. He comes

746
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: to a part of the road where it's been blocked

747
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: off by all these stones, and now the infected are

748
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: really racing. Enemy takes one down and then but there's

749
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: more coming up behind him, and then he hears the

750
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: voice and it's our friend Jack O'Connell from Sinners.

751
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: The Irish Empire, from Sinners Irish Skins.

752
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Who was the who was the boy who survived from Open.

753
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: Not we assumed The film wants you to think that

754
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: it's Aaron Taylor Johnson because his name is Jamie, and

755
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: his name was Jimmy. But we see here that this

756
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: character who is wearing a full personal scribe with a

757
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: long blonde wig with a crown like a little tiara,

758
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: and he's on round his neck. He has the chain

759
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: that his father gave him, but he's wearing the cross

760
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: upside down and he's like, oh, hello, like, do you

761
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: need any help? May we step in? And suddenly he's

762
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: got like four.

763
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: The way, who I.

764
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: Learned are also all called Jimmy in this world, and

765
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: one of them is our favorite, Aaron Kellyman. We love her.

766
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: She's one of the Jimmy's from the fame.

767
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Of Solo and Solo.

768
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Brave Winter Soldier, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. She's

769
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: great and so yes, we end up in a situation

770
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: where these kids jump in or wearing different colored tracksuits

771
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: and doing some insane like gymnastics style fighting with golf

772
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: clubs and just take out the infected. And it's one

773
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: of the wildest left turns because.

774
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: Not only not only do they take them out, but

775
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: they take them out with this almost martial arts flips

776
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: like somersaults.

777
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: And they each have different moves kind of chopping off

778
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: the zombie heads. So this is my theory. When we

779
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: first meet Jimmy, him and the kids are in that room,

780
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: he sees them get killed. They're watching Tellytubbies on VHS.

781
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out that Jimmy and

782
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: his friends like taught themselves via watching like martial arts

783
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: movies on VHS. I think there's a big in here

784
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: with like reused footage, b roll kind of notions of

785
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: like what stories have impacted these kids who are fighting,

786
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: impact these kind of patriotic visions of like English people

787
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: shooting these arrows to warring countries, and and I think

788
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: that leads into this. But it's absolutely unhinged. And if

789
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: you don't, if it doesn't hit for you, I think

790
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: it could make you really dislike the movie. But I

791
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: loved it because what it implies. One it ties together

792
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: cold open clothes, but also it is very much about

793
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: You're starting to understand that the way that Spike and

794
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: his family lived is just one way that people are

795
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: living in this space in this apocalypse. And we're clearly

796
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: gonna learn more about people like Dr Kelson, about like

797
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: Jimmy's who I believe his name is, like sir Jimmy

798
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: Crystal is the full name, so like, I'm so excited

799
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. And Jack O'Connell the last movie,

800
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: he kind of the last thing he says to him

801
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: is he's like, let's be pals and you kind of end.

802
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: So you imagine that Spike is gonna be with these characters.

803
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: Jay said before we end, give us your read on

804
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: this movie, because I think it's correct.

805
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back. Okay,

806
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay, here here's my reactions. Is me. First

807
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: of all, I really feel like, listen, it is notable

808
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: that there are so few characters color and none on

809
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the island zero And I think.

810
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple, maybe a kidney, but you don't.

811
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: They're not major play as. You don't see them a lot.

812
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's very I think that's done very

813
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: consciously because I think this is essentially again, I believe

814
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: it's the Brexit slash nationalism twenty eight later entrant in

815
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: the franchise, and I think it's about how it's about

816
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: this reality in which England has separated itself or been

817
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: separated from the rest of the world. In europe Brexit,

818
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: and that the rest of the world has gone on

819
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: as normal, while in England they have been reduced to

820
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: this almost medieval regret type of reality where they're living

821
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: behind walls. And this is hammered home by these constant

822
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: snippets that are edited in of like John Gilgood movies

823
00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: where you know where you're seeing classic scene classic movies,

824
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: scenes from classic English movies of you know, archers on

825
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the on the hillside taking out like armies of cavalry

826
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: and sieges being undertaken against castles. And to me, it's

827
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: the movie very consciously is placing this film in a

828
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: continuum of an ideal English culture, even to the point

829
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: of there's like a Canterbury Tales type feel to the story.

830
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh very much, with the with the way that different

831
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: characters coming.

832
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: In, like Eric coming in with these like absurd in

833
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: these kind of like absurd setups within a larger journey

834
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: to somewhere right. And the hero of the film is

835
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: not a Jamie who is this again insular kind of dunderheaded,

836
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: ignores his wife, kind of classic football hoodlum of a guy.

837
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: It's the son who is like all of this is lies,

838
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: All of this we go it alone is lies. My

839
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: dad is lying to me. All the stuff around me

840
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: in this town appears to be propaganda. I want to

841
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: know what the rest of the world is about. And

842
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: the other hero of this story is the doctor, right,

843
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: the man of sciences, humanity, who says, these are people. Samson,

844
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: again one of the few characters of color in the story.

845
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: In an indifferent zombie movie, they'd slaughter him, but doctor

846
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Kelson is just like, no, no, we're not gonna We're

847
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna put him to sleep, and then we're gonna go

848
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: away and we're gonna let the natural world take its course.

849
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: And that character is never killed, We never see you

850
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: know that he is, in fact just like living side

851
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: by side in a type of community amongst these these people.

852
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: And so I think that to me, this is this

853
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: is a story about the dangers of insolarity, of nativism

854
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: and disconnection from the rest of the world, of of

855
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: a antipathy towards learning and towards community. And in that sense,

856
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a very deep and moving film and

857
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: a tremendously angry film. Also because it's also saying like,

858
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: look at what when we decide to do this, look

859
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: at what happens. Look at what we become. Look at

860
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: the way we're just letting this person die alone, and

861
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: we're so ashamed by it that we pretend that everything

862
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: is that these characters are pretending everything's actually a brain.

863
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: That my wife is dying like alone with no doctor,

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Speaker 1: And shouldn't we want more? Shouldn't we think where is

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Speaker 1: the doctor?

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Speaker 2: But no, the that's right, And I think you touch

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Speaker 2: on something really good. And in the in that New

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Speaker 2: alle Times article, they basically say that this is what

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Speaker 2: Boyle says. We had the idea of looking back and

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Speaker 2: valuing of these supposed English virtues of this heroic defiance.

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Speaker 2: You know, we few, we band of brothers, says Boyle,

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Speaker 2: quoting Shakespeare. And they talk about the sound that has

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Speaker 2: become like a viral TikTok sound, which was the extended

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Speaker 2: teaser trailer from last year, which had the really intense

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifteen recording of the Rudyard Kipling poem Boots read

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Speaker 2: by the actor Taylor Holmes, with its hypnotically repeated line

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Speaker 2: of boots, boots, boots moving up and down again, and

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Speaker 2: they kind of talk about how originally they were going

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Speaker 2: to use the speech from Henry the fifth the Saint

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Speaker 2: Crispin's Day speech, but it was too much. And I

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Speaker 2: think that it is really a movie about thinking about legacy,

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Speaker 2: what gets left behind, the ways that you kind of

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Speaker 2: stop this stuff unintentionally or intentionally. And yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: it's very interesting. I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: very interesting film to look back at. And I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited because the next movie, which is actually was made

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Speaker 2: by Nia da Costa, has already been filmed back to

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Speaker 2: back with this, and that is twenty eight years later

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Speaker 2: Bone Church, So it will be very interesting to see

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Speaker 2: what happens.

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Speaker 1: An incredible, incredible film where they haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to stop thinking about it, and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next one to come out.

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Speaker 1: Really fascinating movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally way more than I was expecting to chop up.

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Speaker 2: And it's going to be really fun to talk about

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Speaker 2: this on our round table. Oh I can't, Joelle, I

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Speaker 2: am common.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So on the next episode of X ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: We've got news in a special interview with Sam Bailey,

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Speaker 1: director of Ironheart on Disney Plus episodes one through three

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Speaker 1: or directed by Sam. So check that out. That's for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye Vision is hosted by

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Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a production of

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Faye wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi our discord moderator.