Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened? Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock of
Speaker 1: the cham He's to the twenty, He's to the twenty five.
Speaker 2: Parlo thirty to the forty yard line.
Speaker 3: We could see history fifty forty come the.
Speaker 2: Thirty yard light.
Speaker 3: Michael run, Michael Luck.
Speaker 1: Michael run, touchdown, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3: There you go in.
Speaker 1: That shot gun sends wee receivers left. Here's the staff
Speaker 1: of the glitzer has picked up Brady Unity.
Speaker 3: Caught ball ups. He has the record at the eleven
Speaker 3: yard line.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans becomes the first NFL player in lead history
Speaker 1: to record a thousand yards of more of this first
Speaker 1: seventh seasons that.
Speaker 3: Want to throw by Brady.
Speaker 1: Congratulations Mike Evans, who can forget Gann looking gat holds
Speaker 1: up the hats the other side, Derek Bucks thirty touchdown.
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. Derek Brooks the.
Speaker 1: Host pariable player in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: There it is Dot Daggers in We're.
Speaker 2: Gonna win the super Bowl. Here's the snap.
Speaker 3: Mahomes running to his right. Lookout he may run Mahome director.
Speaker 1: Now battle inner seven picked over the ins on Fox.
Speaker 2: I gotta beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Where the chapters of the world that we still have.
Speaker 3: I'm at a thirty three to goo, damn it White,
Speaker 3: what a great second season.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: We're Casey Fox.
Speaker 3: All the Super Bowl champs. They can't stop the plot.
Speaker 3: We call them the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to the Salty Dogs Podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Scott Smith, I'm Jeff Ryan.
Speaker 2: Where the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 3: Yes, but not so salty this week.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a fun one this week. I gotta try,
Speaker 2: and we've been we've been having too many of those
Speaker 2: where we had to try to find a silver lining
Speaker 2: or say that the sky's not falling but it wasn't falling.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's more fun to actually talk about
Speaker 2: a win, sure, rather than hey, that was a loss,
Speaker 2: but look at these things. Yeah, well this was a
Speaker 2: shiny object.
Speaker 3: Yeah well this is This was a win, but let's
Speaker 3: look at these things.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I thought it was a fun game.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not so sure. If it was fun, it.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have been fun to be on the field.
Speaker 3: No, no, it was not a good time.
Speaker 2: I kept hearing from the various people that we work
Speaker 2: with who work down on the field like attigrapher sure
Speaker 2: and social people and so on, and boy, apparently it
Speaker 2: was pretty miserable.
Speaker 3: It was really miserable. When the when TJ's mike came upstairs,
Speaker 3: I had to I took the felt off of it
Speaker 3: and I had to ring it and water came. I went,
Speaker 3: this is not good, you guys, this is not good.
Speaker 2: Casey, Casey Phillips. So she stays down there in the
Speaker 2: whole game and kind of MCS what's going on and
Speaker 2: helps with the stuff between plays and so on. And
Speaker 2: I used to do the pregame show down there with her,
Speaker 2: and sometimes halftime and we would be in that treasure
Speaker 2: chest that's now in the north in zone. It was
Speaker 2: previously in the south and it's now by the ship
Speaker 2: and it's like a big set that looks like a
Speaker 2: treasure chest that opens up and dj Ekeon has his
Speaker 2: equipment in there. And she thought she was gonna be
Speaker 2: in good shape compared to everybody who had to be
Speaker 2: down on the field because she's in the chest. Apparently
Speaker 2: it has a.
Speaker 3: Bunch of leaks, so it's not waterproof.
Speaker 2: It's not at all. And she said, eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: because then now it's getting all over DJ's equipment. Yeahja's
Speaker 2: equipment and stuff that she's trying to read and the microphones,
Speaker 2: and so they decided water electricity. They decided to close
Speaker 2: the old chess treasure chest, which you don't normally want
Speaker 2: to do because she's on camera and they're shooting from
Speaker 2: outside the treasure chest. She's just reading. She's not on
Speaker 2: the screen anymore. She's just doing the reads. And it's
Speaker 2: dark in there and there's still water dripping. So she
Speaker 2: said she had her cell phone in one hand and
Speaker 2: she's holding a tarp over all the stuff with her
Speaker 2: other hand, and she's like underneath the tarp with cell
Speaker 2: phone illuminating of the flashlight illuminating what she's supposed to read.
Speaker 2: Those are not great working, No.
Speaker 3: But that's a pro because I didn't notice that anything
Speaker 3: great point. She can't tell us you just yeah, you
Speaker 3: go with it. Yeah. We uh, we were looking at
Speaker 3: the radar during our pregame show and I said, oh, perfect,
Speaker 3: it'll be just a little bit before right after kickoff,
Speaker 3: we'll start seeing some rain. And then we saw the
Speaker 3: heavier storms come in and it was not pleasant. And
Speaker 3: all everyone kept saying was, you know, if we played
Speaker 3: at one o'clock we'd be out of here.
Speaker 2: That's something Jeff was already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was like, yeah, thanks. So all
Speaker 3: those CBS cameramen and everybody, don't blame us that it rained,
Speaker 3: blame your powers whoever.
Speaker 2: And I don't remember his name, but we have somebody
Speaker 2: who's a local weatherman, who who does the weather forecast
Speaker 2: on from La Yes, and I was told today that
Speaker 2: he said, h that it was gonna rain, but we
Speaker 2: shouldn't expect anything.
Speaker 3: No, it started out was it wasn't expected to be
Speaker 3: a big deal, and then the storms other people were saying,
Speaker 3: and then it developed that well that's that's Florida.
Speaker 2: And then it just kept getting harder and harder. And
Speaker 2: those guys that was miserable. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Not And and oh, by the way, fans, for those
Speaker 3: of you stayed and held in there, true fans, true fans.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 2: Whenever they show the people who thought to bring like
Speaker 2: ranghos ponchos sitting in the stands and it's empty all
Speaker 2: around them because everybody else is run for cover. I'm
Speaker 2: always impressed that they were prepared, but they look miserable.
Speaker 3: Well, a ponchos sounds like a really great idea when
Speaker 3: you're sitting there, but eventually the problem is it's so
Speaker 3: humid in Florida that you're not getting wet because of
Speaker 3: the rain. You're just sweating yourself, so you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm wet anyways, what I mean? That was it here?
Speaker 2: Several of us had a question when halftime started, and
Speaker 2: I have not gone to get the answer. I wish
Speaker 2: i'd remembered before. Right now, me and one of the
Speaker 2: guys in PR we both independently without hearing each other,
Speaker 2: wondered if they bring extra sets of uniforms for every
Speaker 2: player so that if this happens and they get soaked
Speaker 2: in the first half, at least they can go out
Speaker 2: in the second half in a dry uniform.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: You don't think so.
Speaker 3: Huh uh.
Speaker 2: It would be a lot to manage, do you think
Speaker 2: about that? Because well, if you had an extra set,
Speaker 2: somebody could one of the equipment people could be in
Speaker 2: the locker room during the first half hanging up everybody's
Speaker 2: I'd take five minutes to change in order to try
Speaker 2: going out.
Speaker 3: To the second. Yeah, oh, you know what, We're gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna text keep draping.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, I think it was a fun
Speaker 2: game because some of our best players did amazing things,
Speaker 2: and so there's no reason to delay any longer talking
Speaker 2: about Mike Evans. You know they he made the play
Speaker 2: of the game offensively with this seventy five yard one
Speaker 2: play touchdown. Drive, caught it maybe twenty yards downfield, and
Speaker 2: then tacked on him like fifty five yards of yak,
Speaker 2: the most he's ever had on one play in his career.
Speaker 2: Had to dive to the pylon at the end. He
Speaker 2: thought he was in. Ref said no, he was out
Speaker 2: at the one Buck's challenge, and that was exciting because
Speaker 2: you could see in the Chance League there's no way
Speaker 2: they're not overtrading this one. He is a touchdown, longest
Speaker 2: touchdown or play of any kind of Mike Evans' career,
Speaker 2: which his career is kind of amazing that now he's
Speaker 2: getting his longest play ever apparently on the play.
Speaker 3: What I liked.
Speaker 2: I love when somebody asks Baker a question that puts
Speaker 2: him in the mode of technically explaining what happened on
Speaker 2: a play, because it's so interesting to hear and he
Speaker 2: was asked if that if Mike was his first read
Speaker 2: on that play, because it certainly looked like it. He said, not.
Speaker 2: In the huddle, you know, we get to the line,
Speaker 2: he's the way the plays designed. He's not the number
Speaker 2: one read. Evans isn't, and he's lined up over in
Speaker 2: the left slot. But Baker gets there and before the
Speaker 2: snap he notices the safety Chris Godden goes in motion
Speaker 2: from left to right, and the safety kind of leaks
Speaker 2: to the middle of the field. So maybe ten yards
Speaker 2: over from where he was would have been over Mike's
Speaker 2: route more. But now he's in the middle, and Baker
Speaker 2: saw that and thought, hmm, this could work. And then
Speaker 2: apparently Mike ran such a perfect route for what he
Speaker 2: was supposed to do that he was in the exact
Speaker 2: spot that Mayfield needs him to hit him on that
Speaker 2: pass between defenders on the move, didn't have to break
Speaker 2: strive off to the races. So that was that was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2: And uh, we'll get back to Mike. But like I said,
Speaker 2: our best players made the biggest plays. I've been saying
Speaker 2: all along. I don't know if we have a better
Speaker 2: player on defense than Antoine Winfield junior. Absolutely what did
Speaker 2: he not do in that game? He had a sack,
Speaker 2: he had the game clinching interception, He had three passes defense,
Speaker 2: He had two tackles for losses. He had team high
Speaker 2: eight tackles. I went through his plays yesterday for something
Speaker 2: I was riding, and he had like four plays that
Speaker 2: ended drives on third or fourth down, like the sack
Speaker 2: into the drive. He had a tackle for loss that
Speaker 2: into to drive. He had another tackle that ended a drive,
Speaker 2: and of course the interception was on fourth down and
Speaker 2: that ended the drive. The Panthers last drive and their
Speaker 2: last chance. Because after the Atlanta game and after the
Speaker 2: Houston game, when we give the ball back to the
Speaker 2: other team and they're not down by more than nine
Speaker 2: points and there's less than a minute left, I get
Speaker 2: a little scared. Yeah, I was a little scared. And
Speaker 2: they actually had a little over two minutes to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now all they needed was a field goal.
Speaker 2: To tie, right, So they get to a third and one.
Speaker 2: And this is the part that really surprised me, because
Speaker 2: they ran the ball pretty well in that game. They
Speaker 2: get to third and one time isn't really an issue.
Speaker 2: And wait, they had more because we got the ball
Speaker 2: back with a little over two minutes, so they had
Speaker 2: more like three and a half minutes when they got
Speaker 2: that try. They don't run the ball in third and
Speaker 2: one and it's incomplete, and then they don't run on
Speaker 2: fourth and one either, I know. And it ends up
Speaker 2: with a play that's kind of a broken play where
Speaker 2: he's young scrambling and he's motioning to Adam Thielen to
Speaker 2: turn his route up and go upfield, which was kind
Speaker 2: of smart because he got past the corner that was there.
Speaker 2: But and so he tried to lob it over his head. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately an if he'll figured it out on the fly.
Speaker 2: And he was there for the pick.
Speaker 3: On your question about changing uniforms, I text the uh
Speaker 3: our director of equipment, Brad Yeap Brad Berlin, and I
Speaker 3: of this is what I said to him. I go, question,
Speaker 3: did the players change in the dry uniforms at the half?
Speaker 3: He immediate replies, two players jerseys, four players pants, About
Speaker 3: twenty guys dry socks offered to everyone. Those were the
Speaker 3: only takers. Wow, I know. And then I said, thanks,
Speaker 3: we're recording salty dogs and we were wondering. He replied,
Speaker 3: I expected a lot more jerseys. I think it's because
Speaker 3: it stopped and they just didn't want to mess with
Speaker 3: it a lot to change in twelve minutes at halftime.
Speaker 2: This is great.
Speaker 3: How's that?
Speaker 2: This is good podcast? Yeah, this is some of the
Speaker 2: best work we've done. You're welcome, Jeff, You're welcome. And
Speaker 2: thanks to Brad Berlin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean all the equipment guys are good.
Speaker 2: Like Mike's been here forever, he's sure due, you know,
Speaker 2: and they look out.
Speaker 3: They look out for everyone, especially if you're on the
Speaker 3: sideline and they notice that your shoes are falling apart,
Speaker 3: or you know, you're all wet, or you know it's cold.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe you need some gloves here, let
Speaker 3: me help you out.
Speaker 2: So that's good. Well, that's a great answer. Yes, I
Speaker 2: am surprised that Moore didn't take him that. I know,
Speaker 2: twelve minutes isn't long, but I think it's long enough
Speaker 2: to change a jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, they you know, whenever they expect, you know,
Speaker 3: they always have rain gear, like when they travel to
Speaker 3: an outside stadium, they have to they have to bring
Speaker 3: it just in case. But I I understand that you're
Speaker 3: already wet.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I don't know, man, I hate being
Speaker 2: in wet clothes.
Speaker 3: Well, but if they're sweating anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's there's a difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. But that does answer the base question, which was
Speaker 2: they obviously have at least one more set of uniforms
Speaker 2: for every player. Because he said he offered a doll. Yep,
Speaker 2: you have the offer, right, all right, that's good. That's
Speaker 2: good to know. So what you got something?
Speaker 3: Well, I know Winfield makes the incredible It kind of
Speaker 3: reminded me of a Johnny Lynch play.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They called a bit of Rondie Barber in there.
Speaker 2: Well, I like the John Lynch comparison because one they're
Speaker 2: both safeties and two money Kevin nickname John Lynch the closer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he tended to get and this is true. I've
Speaker 2: looked up the stats and when we were trying to
Speaker 2: get him into the Hall of Fame, or not get
Speaker 2: him into, we were trying to aid in the pursuit
Speaker 2: of him getting in the Hall of Fame, and he
Speaker 2: he did tend to get his picks late in games
Speaker 2: that were within one score. He was like, think of
Speaker 2: the famous famous what's the most famous regular season game
Speaker 2: in Bucks history.
Speaker 3: Do you think the regular season in non playoffs famous game?
Speaker 2: Maybe the best game, maybe the most exciting game. It
Speaker 2: was a Monday night. It wasn't the Indianapols game. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about. It was the Rams game again in
Speaker 2: two thousand, thirty eight to thirty five shootout with Kurt
Speaker 2: Warner and the Greatest show on turf. This was the
Speaker 2: next season after the Bucks defense had dominated in the
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game, but the Bucks it slipped away from
Speaker 2: the Bucks at the end and to get the final
Speaker 2: was eleven to six against the Rams team that was
Speaker 2: ever more than thirty points per game.
Speaker 3: And created the Bird of Manual rule.
Speaker 2: So in the defensive struggle, the Rams win. The next
Speaker 2: year in Monday night football game that was critical for
Speaker 2: the Bucks in their playoff hopes. As it turned out,
Speaker 2: the Bucks won, but both teams ended up making the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But that was a shootout, ye, and the Bucks won
Speaker 2: that one. So neither of those made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But who intercepted the pass at the end to seal
Speaker 2: the game? John Lynch, He did that a lot.
Speaker 3: He did that a lot.
Speaker 2: That was after like we had scored on the you
Speaker 2: know was after that Sean King pitched back to They
Speaker 2: worked one pitch back to Sean King play and then
Speaker 2: Wark scored on one hard run or on a run,
Speaker 2: but he like dived in from the three yard line,
Speaker 2: so he had taken the lead with very little time left.
Speaker 2: But still Kurt Warner he hit I think it was
Speaker 2: Tory Holt. He had either hold or Bruce in stride
Speaker 2: downfield and they dropped it and then on the next
Speaker 2: play Lunch picked it off.
Speaker 3: Sure, I can't give guys another chance, no question anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Winfield, I'm still hoping all this ends up in
Speaker 2: making my prediction right that he'd be a first team
Speaker 2: apl progress.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That a very unusual game, I will say. And
Speaker 3: we were talking about this and I don't even know
Speaker 3: how you could look it up. But if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: then if I am, you'll correct me.
Speaker 2: In the third one of my favorite things to do
Speaker 2: in the third quarter.
Speaker 3: There were ten possessions.
Speaker 2: How many of them men did in punts?
Speaker 3: Well almost all of them. Yeah, there were two touchdowns
Speaker 3: scored out of that, but there were I believe it
Speaker 3: was ten. I think we got the ball with like
Speaker 3: forty seconds left, so that would count as a third
Speaker 3: quarter possession. I think there were ten because what was funny,
Speaker 3: not haha funny, but funny is there were four possession
Speaker 3: changes and we played four breaks of commercials.
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the second half, right, yes,
Speaker 2: in the third quarter. Yes, it looks like there nine nine?
Speaker 2: What about Oh no, you're right. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 2: tenth one that started forty one seconds left and ended
Speaker 2: in the third quarter.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that would be ten.
Speaker 2: So ten, and the ones that ended in the third
Speaker 2: quarter there were two touchdowns and seven pints. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then the one that end into the fourth quarter was
Speaker 2: the Bucks touchdown with Chris Godwin.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Crazy, huh, Yeah, that was you know, obviously the rain
Speaker 2: had something to do with that, sure, but in the condition,
Speaker 2: but have you ever seen that in two pretty good defenses? Actually?
Speaker 3: And then what was crazy? I got home, I was
Speaker 3: watching the Green Bay game and I think they had
Speaker 3: they didn't even have ten possessions by the time they
Speaker 3: got to the fourth quarter, and I was like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see the Niners started out slow and
Speaker 2: then like they just every time they got the ball
Speaker 2: they scored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you have forty five points. I figured they
Speaker 3: were scoring all.
Speaker 2: They just can't be stopped when they've got all their
Speaker 2: people out. Yeah, well they got all of their people
Speaker 2: healthy back just in time to play Lanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was basically Deebo, Samuel and Trent Williams.
Speaker 3: Luckily we got them being a little rusty.
Speaker 2: Since those two came back, they have not lost and
Speaker 2: they've just been nearly unstoppable on offense. But we haven't
Speaker 2: really dived all the way into Mike Evans because it
Speaker 2: was a very momentous day for him, right on the
Speaker 2: same day that he had the longest play of his
Speaker 2: career and his thirty sixth career one hundred yard game. Wow,
Speaker 2: thirty nine if you count the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think last week I said that Mike Evans
Speaker 3: was going to get over one hundred and fifty, did you, Yes,
Speaker 3: we go to I bet you. I think I did
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: That was a topic of conversation because he came into
Speaker 2: the game one hundred and fifty yards shy of a
Speaker 2: thousand for the tenth straight year and for the tenth
Speaker 2: time in ten years. And we knew it was coming
Speaker 2: because he had six games to go.
Speaker 3: Sure, so we.
Speaker 2: Like we were discussing this with you know, some people
Speaker 2: that involved in like micing him up and preparing stories
Speaker 2: and stuff, and we thought, I was like, it probably
Speaker 2: won't be this week. I mean, Mike could always go
Speaker 2: off one hundred and fifty yards. She's done it. He
Speaker 2: had done it twelve times before, so it's not a surprising, buddy.
Speaker 2: But if you're playing the odds, yeah, it's probably not
Speaker 2: this week, right, And then he does it one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two yards. The seventy five yard are I'll
Speaker 2: obviously helped, but he also had a forty yarder. He
Speaker 2: had about eighty percent of our passing production in the game.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was just looking at something for an
Speaker 2: article about next gen stats stuff. They only the Falcons
Speaker 2: only played MANNDA Falcons Panthers only played man demand defense
Speaker 2: on five of Baker Mayfield's thirty dropbacks. He had twenty
Speaker 2: nine passes in one sack, and the seventy five yard
Speaker 2: play was not one of them that was against his
Speaker 2: own But when they played man, Baker just killed on it.
Speaker 2: He had Baker Mike Ebs. He almost always threw to Mic.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: He was four for five for sixty six yards, and
Speaker 2: like one hundred and eighteen passer rating and converted several
Speaker 2: third downs, three of them, I believe, the second and
Speaker 2: the seven yard catch, which was Mike's last of the night,
Speaker 2: that got it to third and one so that Rashot
Speaker 2: could win in on the next play. That was a
Speaker 2: big play that was against man because Mike was the
Speaker 2: only guy split out. Everybody's bunched up tight because they
Speaker 2: thought we'd run two more times to try to kill
Speaker 2: the clock. The pass was a fantastic hall. It's just
Speaker 2: a quick slant. All he had to do was beat
Speaker 2: that guy and then Baker he just had to zip
Speaker 2: it into his stomach, and he did and they did,
Speaker 2: and the only one that was incomplete. You might remember
Speaker 2: a play where it was a third down around midfield
Speaker 2: and Mike kind of ran what they'd call a corner
Speaker 2: route where he kind of bent towards the inside and
Speaker 2: then cut to the outside, and he totally beat the
Speaker 2: corner who then pulled up lame and he was opened
Speaker 2: by like six yards. I looked it up. He was open.
Speaker 2: He had like six It was wide open. In other words,
Speaker 2: and Baker it was just probably shorst throw the night,
Speaker 2: and it skipped in the grass and it didn't work,
Speaker 2: but it worked in terms of it should have been completed.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So they didn't play a lot of men, but when
Speaker 2: we saw a man, we knew what to do about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll say this that, you know, the Panthers may have
Speaker 2: been coming into this game at one in ten, but
Speaker 2: they got there. They're pretty good defensive team, and they
Speaker 2: got their guys back there much healthier than they had been.
Speaker 2: And I spent some time with the Carolina Panther radio
Speaker 2: people when we were talking and just all that was
Speaker 2: going on with with the organization there, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the defense is pretty good, just the offense is struggling
Speaker 2: and struggling and you know now, and so I was thinking, oh, great,
Speaker 2: that's just we got to get these We're catching them now.
Speaker 2: That being said, I thought I thought Bryce Young played
Speaker 2: pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he had some moment. He had some moments.
Speaker 3: I mean you could see where where they struggle on
Speaker 3: with on their O line really doesn't have any receivers
Speaker 3: to really really throw to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Jonathan Mingo started to he came
Speaker 2: about rookie so he could be something, he could be
Speaker 2: something new they had been throwing the ball all the
Speaker 2: time to Adam Thlen like they came in this game,
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen had seventy seven catches and the next player
Speaker 2: on the list had twenty eight. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: it was a tight end or something.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's that's that was a game that
Speaker 3: you know, you felt like you needed to win and
Speaker 3: you felt like you should win. But the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 3: also beat the Houston Texans, I think the week before
Speaker 3: we played.
Speaker 2: Them, so you know it can happen.
Speaker 3: I think the game, we're gonna take a sidebar here.
Speaker 3: I know this is crazy. You heard Scott go and
Speaker 3: the reason why he did that is, well, Scott, tell
Speaker 3: him how your football injury of dislocating and your shoulder
Speaker 3: came about.
Speaker 2: I think I didn't go to the hospital or anything,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure I partially dislocated my left shoulder
Speaker 2: last week. I've done that two times before, fully dislocated
Speaker 2: it playing softball and stupidly sliding in head first, probably
Speaker 2: the only two times I ever slid in head first.
Speaker 2: Both times I dislocated my shoulder, which should give you
Speaker 2: an indication of how good I am at sliding in
Speaker 2: head first.
Speaker 3: And comprehending not to do that after you die.
Speaker 2: The first time it happened, I'm like, I will never
Speaker 2: slide head first again. And then I was several years
Speaker 2: later and all of a sudden, I just did it,
Speaker 2: and and I was like, why the hell did I
Speaker 2: do that? Yeah? Anyway, I never did it again after that,
Speaker 2: and now my softball quote unquote career is over. So uh,
Speaker 2: those two times it was totally dislocated and I had
Speaker 2: to go to the hospital get to pop back in.
Speaker 2: This one, I think it was out because I know
Speaker 2: how it feels, and I couldn't lift my arm, and
Speaker 2: then I kind of was just messing with it and
Speaker 2: it felt like I went back in and then I
Speaker 2: if you've ever had a dissocated shoulder, you know that
Speaker 2: it hurts a lot when it's out, but as soon
Speaker 2: as you pop it back in, the pane goes away
Speaker 2: and you have full range of motion. But then in
Speaker 2: the days to come it's very sore. Sure, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I did that? Is that important? It is very important.
Speaker 2: Inquiring minds want to know I may or may not
Speaker 2: have dislocated my shoulder getting off my couch.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we heard that correctly. Did you
Speaker 3: say you may have dislocated your shoulder getting off your couch?
Speaker 2: All right? I was lying down.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that that would be very difficult.
Speaker 2: Can you picture the maneuver where you like you sort
Speaker 2: of roll off the couch and put your feet underneath
Speaker 2: you and stand up. That's what I was going for
Speaker 2: until I realized the dog was lying there and I
Speaker 2: had to just ended up sticking my hand out and
Speaker 2: just jammed.
Speaker 3: Instead of and chammed it putting around the dog.
Speaker 2: You had to I wasn't gonna hurt my dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I'm saying is because the.
Speaker 2: Day I moved it ended up jamming it really hard
Speaker 2: on the ground. Okay, so yeah, I disoka probably disokayed
Speaker 2: my shoulder getting off my couch. Classic, which is as
Speaker 2: all sort of things that happened to you people, you.
Speaker 3: Could get to twenty twenty three Couch Potato of the
Speaker 3: Year award.
Speaker 2: And it does still hurt a little bit. That was
Speaker 2: like a week ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say this. You could have made
Speaker 3: up anything and I would have believed it, but you,
Speaker 3: because I noticed you were having problems with you.
Speaker 2: It hurts a little more today for some reason.
Speaker 3: That's because bringing it up. That's why thinking about.
Speaker 2: It, Well, I've reached over here to get my phone
Speaker 2: and that hurt, which.
Speaker 3: Is so Scott's basically playing injured today.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, you gotta you gotta appreciate that. I'm it's
Speaker 2: victory putting in the effort here.
Speaker 3: It's a victory week and we're gonna take full advantage
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: So let's wrap up all the Mike Kevin stuff. He
Speaker 2: gets to one hundred and he got to one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty on an eleven yard catch on the left sideline. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were ready.
Speaker 3: Everybody was ready.
Speaker 2: He later said that they were ready, that they were
Speaker 2: all they knew. On the sideline, he said people were
Speaker 2: telling me any died six yards or four yards. I
Speaker 2: was hearing different numbers.
Speaker 3: But he and Baker said, to hell with it, We're
Speaker 3: just going for eleven and getting it.
Speaker 2: Well, he kind of ducked under a tackle and tacked
Speaker 2: on some yak. Mike did that is so he is
Speaker 2: now obviously extended his streak of ten straight thousand yard
Speaker 2: receiving seasons to open a career. Randy Moss is second
Speaker 2: at six, so he's had that record for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but forget about the beginning of his career ten straight
Speaker 2: at any point in a player's career. He's now tied
Speaker 2: for the second longest with Moss. I think, and let me.
Speaker 3: See what I find would I find interesting?
Speaker 2: No, he's all alone, He's he's second. He's only one
Speaker 2: behind the great Jerry Rice for the longest streak of
Speaker 2: a thousand yards eleven.
Speaker 3: What I what I find amazing is he strutted out
Speaker 3: as a rookie getting a thousand yards you know where
Speaker 3: you where You're thinking, uh, you know, you're first getting
Speaker 3: into the NFL. You know, how often are you going
Speaker 3: to get used? And the fact of the matter is
Speaker 3: he even said this, he's gotten better, not only understanding
Speaker 3: the game more, but physically he is better than it was,
Speaker 3: which is pretty remarkable considering how many years he's played.
Speaker 3: But he's a young he's only what thirty.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a young tenth year player. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: he came in young.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So so that's that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: In the grand scheme of things, when players, when people
Speaker 2: talk about athletes and NFL players, you hit thirty, you
Speaker 2: start to sure thought of it, Like what's Levante thirty three,
Speaker 2: thirty four?
Speaker 3: Something like that every year.
Speaker 2: It's like, I can't believe he's still playing at this
Speaker 2: level when you and I would say thirty three is
Speaker 2: a nice young age.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, considering you dislocated your shoulder getting off the couch.
Speaker 2: Yes, just saying, hey, Levante's hurt right now too, So
Speaker 2: we both have the same level of.
Speaker 3: Let me get this right. He was running full speed
Speaker 3: dragging down a guy and got rolled up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he didn't have to try to avoid a
Speaker 2: dog that was lying out.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: So Mike's ten career one hundred yards receiving seasons period,
Speaker 2: not consecutively or anything, is tied with Randy Moss for
Speaker 2: second behind Jerry Rice's fourteen. Right, and here's a good one.
Speaker 2: He's had five seasons of where he's had one thousand
Speaker 2: yards and at least ten touchdowns because his touchdown catch
Speaker 2: was his tenth of the year. There are seven players
Speaker 2: who have at least five such seasons, Mike being one
Speaker 2: of them. The other six are all in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. Yeah, I feel like at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this season we were making arguments for why Mike's resume
Speaker 2: was very close to him being a first ballot Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. And now whenever you hear this discussion, I
Speaker 2: think the conversation's over. I think everybody has decided that, yeah,
Speaker 2: you would think he's a Hall of Famer. There's virtually
Speaker 2: no doubt there is he a first pallot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Like Baker said at the podium after the game, I
Speaker 2: think so. And he could be right now if he
Speaker 2: walked away. He's not walking away right now. Now he's
Speaker 2: going to tack some more onto this.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: So he's at ninety touch ninety one touchdown catches. Let's
Speaker 2: get an update on where that ranks. Ninety one touchdown
Speaker 2: catches in his career, he's got ninety two catches overall
Speaker 2: touchdown catches, ah, ninety two touchdowns overall. Because, as I
Speaker 2: frequently explained, he had a fumble recovery touchdown in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: I think, let's see, let's look at this list.
Speaker 3: We change the game because if you you got to
Speaker 3: remember too that Carolina had just scored.
Speaker 2: And a lot oh yeah, this is the next play,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, And everyone went, oh, here you go, and
Speaker 2: we had been so having so much trouble moving the
Speaker 2: ball right, just couldn't pa together consistent drive the whole.
Speaker 3: Stadium, just the mojo or the electricity in the stadium
Speaker 3: totally is like someone threw the switch. So finish up.
Speaker 2: So he's at ninety one touchdowns, which just tied for thirteenth.
Speaker 2: The only other active player they were hire is DeVonta
Speaker 2: Adams also with ninety one. The Raiders were off this week,
Speaker 2: so there are as I said, So he's tied with
Speaker 2: Bruce and DeVante Adams for thirteenth. So there's fifteen players
Speaker 2: in NFL history who have had at least ninety one
Speaker 2: touchdown catches. Yea, I'll read them to you. Jerry Rice
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Randy Moss Hall of Fame, trell Owen's
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Chris Carter Hall of Fame, Ervin Harrison
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Larry Fitzgerald will be a first ballot
Speaker 2: as soon as he's eligible. Antonio Gates probably a first
Speaker 2: ballot as soon as I think next. I think this
Speaker 2: year he's he's on the ballot. Tony Gonzalez Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: Tim Brown, Hall of Fame, Steve Largin Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: Don Hudson Hall of Fame. Rob Gronkowski first ballot Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer when he's eligible. Devonte Adams looks like he's
Speaker 2: on the way in Isaac Bruce Hall of Fame, so
Speaker 2: great company. And behind him, right behind him, Don Maynard
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Jimmy Graham not eligibly yet still playing,
Speaker 2: Andre Reid Hall of Fame, Lance Allworth Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2: He's already there, right, it's just is he first ballot? Well,
Speaker 2: he's not done. He's not doing this season. He's only
Speaker 2: needs nine more touchdown catches in his entire career to
Speaker 2: get to one hundred, and he would only be the
Speaker 2: eleventh player every day to do that. Come on, you
Speaker 2: don't think Mike em is getting nine more touchdowns in
Speaker 2: his career?
Speaker 3: You would.
Speaker 2: I think it's a given. Yeah, So I'm saying, all right.
Speaker 3: I like I like how you're thinking. I like how
Speaker 3: you're thinking.
Speaker 2: All right, what else what should we talking about?
Speaker 3: Well? What else you got on that guy?
Speaker 2: I liked? I thought Carlton Davis played well.
Speaker 3: He did played very very well.
Speaker 2: Just seemed like there were lots of plays where he
Speaker 2: was contesting the catches he was and he didn't end
Speaker 2: up with any amazing stat line. That he didn't technically
Speaker 2: have any passes defense because I think you got to
Speaker 2: get your hands on the ball. But I can recall
Speaker 2: I recalled during the game thinking Carlton's played well, so
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 3: Especially I think I think a guy that that I'm
Speaker 3: really happy for that he had a good game is Ryan.
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna say that, well, no, it's good.
Speaker 3: He he. You know, came here and things haven't been
Speaker 3: as smooth as everyone has hoped for, and you know,
Speaker 3: the outside world pointing a lot of fingers and this
Speaker 3: and that, and so here's a guy that gets called
Speaker 3: into service, never playing the position and ends up with
Speaker 3: a game ball. And if you have a seen it,
Speaker 3: you should go to Buccaneers dot com and you looked
Speaker 3: on videos and you can see the locker room celebration
Speaker 3: and Todd Bowles doing game balls and that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: So in case anybody them one to mic obviously, in
Speaker 2: case anybody needs the details there. The Buccaneers have five
Speaker 2: off ball linebackers on their active ross right now. Three
Speaker 2: of them were inactive for the game, Levante David and
Speaker 2: Devin White. The starters were out. Yep Servase Dennis was
Speaker 2: out also with an illness, So there were only two
Speaker 2: and they had to start. One is kJ Britt, a
Speaker 2: fifth round pick three years ago, who has started one game,
Speaker 2: and that was that game against Atlanta last year where
Speaker 2: we didn't need it and we played mostly reserves. He
Speaker 2: had not played on defense this year, I don't think.
Speaker 2: And the other one was JJ Russell, who is an
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent in twenty twenty two, whose only start
Speaker 2: ever was that same Atlanta game, and who has spent
Speaker 2: most of this year on the books practice squad. That's it,
Speaker 2: that's what you go into the game with. You're hoping
Speaker 2: those guys can play the whole game, but you have
Speaker 2: to have a contingency plan, and you don't have any
Speaker 2: other linebackers. So the contingency plan was Ryan Neil, the safety.
Speaker 2: He's a good physical safety, a big safety, but he's
Speaker 2: not a linebacker. No, he doesn't. He didn't look like
Speaker 2: a linebacker standing out there next.
Speaker 3: To JJ Russell.
Speaker 2: No. But kJ Bricket's hurt seven defensive snaps into the game,
Speaker 2: which is terrible for him.
Speaker 3: And at that point, I'm just my head is down
Speaker 3: now because I'm thinking, what are we doing? Yeah, how
Speaker 3: are we going to do this?
Speaker 2: We had gotten a little bit of an England from
Speaker 2: seeing portions of practice that are not open to the media.
Speaker 2: It's not anything we could talk about ahead of time,
Speaker 2: but it was not a surprise to those of us
Speaker 2: who saw it, because he got a little work on
Speaker 2: Thursday and a little work on Friday, but not much,
Speaker 2: he said, he said, just enough to kind of have
Speaker 2: an idea what was going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think I'm supposed to be here.
Speaker 2: So he was the emergency plan and he played linebacker
Speaker 2: for more than three quarters that game and did fine. Yes,
Speaker 2: he even had one of the biggest plays when you
Speaker 2: run blitzed yep, and caught Chuba Hubbard from behind near
Speaker 2: the goal line and forced him to go for a
Speaker 2: field goal.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: That was huge. But otherwise, just he you didn't you
Speaker 2: noticed because he's wearing twenty three and he's smaller than
Speaker 2: a linebacker and he's out there playing linebacker, but you
Speaker 2: didn't notice, like, oh god, we just got burned because
Speaker 2: we have a safety playing linebacker right right. It's like
Speaker 2: the way you don't want your offensive lineman to get
Speaker 2: talked about, right most part exactly, which so what a
Speaker 2: great thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very very happy I'm all you know it.
Speaker 3: You know, you take your lumps in this league. You know,
Speaker 3: either you're a hero or you're a dog.
Speaker 2: Ryan Neil was was the guy that we It seemed
Speaker 2: like the Bucks got a steal on because he had
Speaker 2: a really good year for Seattle last year, very much so,
Speaker 2: and they initially gave him the franchise coming to the
Speaker 2: franchise the tender offer that made him a restricted free
Speaker 2: agent to start the off season. But then they signed
Speaker 2: a safety and I can't think of who at the moment,
Speaker 2: and so they decided to remove that tag, which made
Speaker 2: him a free agent, and the Bucks swooped in and
Speaker 2: he happened to be here in Tampa at the time.
Speaker 2: I remember why. I think he was working out or
Speaker 2: something with a trainer or something. Yeah, there's karate girls
Speaker 2: walking out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone's kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so uh he came in with that, Wow,
Speaker 2: we have very like we have other than Antoine, we
Speaker 2: don't have any experience in safety. So this is a
Speaker 2: this is a great boon for the bus. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, he was playing safety, it wasn't going
Speaker 2: as well as everybody would hope. He talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 2: That's hard for him, it's very hard, and so he
Speaker 2: started to lose playing time. They were using de Delaney
Speaker 2: in most passing situations and so he was only playing
Speaker 2: like a third of this instead. And uh, and then
Speaker 2: he is asked to do this and just proves to
Speaker 2: be such a great team player, gave the team exactly
Speaker 2: what they needed. You know, I'm hoping we don't need
Speaker 2: him to play next week, but at least you know
Speaker 2: you got an option.
Speaker 3: Well and ought to be better because he's done a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll tell you the Panthers are a fine
Speaker 2: rushing team. The Falcons are a great rushing team, so
Speaker 2: that would be a.
Speaker 3: Certain Hopefully we get Levonte bro Hope.
Speaker 2: And should be back because he was just sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw him yesterday. He was in the building
Speaker 3: yesterday and I think he was over his whatever it was.
Speaker 3: And Levante, let's see on Sunday. That would be three weeks.
Speaker 3: So I think there's a chance.
Speaker 2: Coach Michael said there's a chance. He was hopeful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just depends.
Speaker 2: You know, I really want him for this game, not
Speaker 2: only because Atlanta is such a good running team, but
Speaker 2: he's Oh, when I picture a great Levante, David performance.
Speaker 2: In my head, it's in Atlanta. Sure, he team seems
Speaker 2: to always just kill it in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: You know you funny about you say that Mike Evans
Speaker 3: seems to kill it against the Panthers, certainly has the last.
Speaker 3: I guess that's why I kind of threw out there,
Speaker 3: like I think he's getting a hundred fifty yards.
Speaker 2: Well he had two nine and three touchdowns and the
Speaker 2: last the last game against him. Yeah, they don't want
Speaker 2: to see anymore of Mike Evans. No, no, especially since
Speaker 2: they lost James Bradbury, who was you know, him and
Speaker 2: Mike had some good battles, not quite Mike and Marshawn
Speaker 2: Landam or similar. So yeah, that's was that, which is
Speaker 2: a good thing. You know what we had. There was
Speaker 2: a rarity in that game, a statistical rarity. The Buccaneers
Speaker 2: had four sacks. You know who had him?
Speaker 3: They were all rookies.
Speaker 2: Antoine Winfield probably remember that one. Yeah, yeah, I got
Speaker 2: one where he chased chased him, chased him out of bounds,
Speaker 2: and the other and then j. J. Russell first career sack.
Speaker 2: The fourth sack was credited as a team sack. What
Speaker 2: a team sack? And it was on the play where
Speaker 2: Bryce Young through what I guess was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a swing pass, but it was deemed to be out
Speaker 2: of It was deemed to be thrown backwards and it
Speaker 2: went out of bounds, so that was deemed to be
Speaker 2: a fumble. And so I guess statistically you have to
Speaker 2: you have to credit a sack there because that's so
Speaker 2: a play.
Speaker 3: So everybody on the defense gets eight.
Speaker 2: It's just credited to the team.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just his team.
Speaker 2: And it's the second time in Bucks history that they've
Speaker 2: been credited with a team sack, just the second time.
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe like each guy got one eleven.
Speaker 2: Of it, that would be terrible because all the stats
Speaker 2: would look ugly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be great because a guy that's never
Speaker 3: alreays shot and getting one's got one eleven.
Speaker 2: One new rule. I don't think I would. That would
Speaker 2: be chaos. They used to occasionally split sacks three ways
Speaker 2: back in the eighties. Yeah, and we have a couple
Speaker 2: of players on our all time sack lists that the
Speaker 2: numbers are just cross because it'd be like fourteen point three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, just rounded up around.
Speaker 2: Or just choose two. Good. They'll only do two guys now,
Speaker 2: they will never split it me three or more anymore.
Speaker 3: It's not like hockey where you can have a number
Speaker 3: of seven assists.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so a team sack. And I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I remember the play because it rolled out of bounds
Speaker 3: and it was you know, first of all, they called
Speaker 3: it an incomplete pass, and it wasn't. We called it
Speaker 3: right away that it wasn't an incomplete that it was backwards.
Speaker 3: I said the same thing. You can immediately, yes, but
Speaker 3: it wasn't go ahead.
Speaker 2: It was initially ruled an incomplete pass. And then they
Speaker 2: were gathering together because like, well, then it has to
Speaker 2: be grounding because there was nobody over there and he
Speaker 2: was standing in the pocket. And it didn't get back
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage either. But since it was a
Speaker 2: backward since it was backwards, it was technically officially a fumble,
Speaker 2: so there's no penalty for grounding. But the ball went
Speaker 2: out of bounds on a fumble, so it was the
Speaker 2: exact same result. The ball would have been the same
Speaker 2: place and it would have been a loss of down
Speaker 2: either way.
Speaker 3: Right, And the problem that they had to had to
Speaker 3: figure out where exactly they needed to put the ball.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of discussions. That seems to be
Speaker 3: the new thing this year, or at least I am
Speaker 3: noticing it more in the officiating this year, that everyone
Speaker 3: likes to have a conference.
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.
Speaker 3: Well I am too, but I do I don't. Here's
Speaker 3: here's the one thing that I don't understand. A flag
Speaker 3: is thrown, they all go get together. He goes, is
Speaker 3: what I saw, and everybody else goes, no, you didn't
Speaker 3: see that. You didn't see that. Pick up the flag.
Speaker 3: They pick up the flag. So I don't get it.
Speaker 3: If the guy thinks he saw it.
Speaker 2: It's very frustrating when it happens to your team. Well,
Speaker 2: you're talking about the Mike Evans pastor ofference, and they
Speaker 2: threw flag for pastor reference, and they got together and
Speaker 2: said and they said, no flag, and it is frustrating.
Speaker 2: I assume what happens in those is that several people
Speaker 2: will tell the guy who through the flag, hey, I
Speaker 2: know you think that's what happened. But I could tell,
Speaker 2: okay that this fair, it wasn't that it was this,
Speaker 2: and then another another guy corroborates that, and so I goes, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, I thought I saw a pastor reference but because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I was blocked, so I didn't see that,
Speaker 3: or he just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It could be like you call pastor reference and you
Speaker 2: don't realize the ball was tipped, and once the ball's tipped,
Speaker 2: there's no passer reference right now.
Speaker 3: See I understand that, like if you throw a flag
Speaker 3: and then they say, you know it's being picked up
Speaker 3: because the ball was tipped.
Speaker 2: I could see the argument either way, and Mike usual,
Speaker 2: when you could see the argument either way, you just
Speaker 2: let whatever the call was stand right, So that I
Speaker 2: did agree that was a little frustrated.
Speaker 3: I also go by what the player does too. I
Speaker 3: mean when a player jumps up right away and throw
Speaker 3: in his arm flag flight, I don't take that as
Speaker 3: as the be all to be all more. I kind
Speaker 3: of look at more body language than just the.
Speaker 2: So the fact that there was no protestations, yes, or
Speaker 2: there were protesting.
Speaker 3: There was, so I do appreciate that. So that that
Speaker 3: was that was very bizarre.
Speaker 2: Did you think the Caroline return man on that kickoff
Speaker 2: that basically at the piland didn't know the rule.
Speaker 3: He did not know the rule because had he stepped
Speaker 3: out of bounds, the ball would have been on the
Speaker 3: forty yard line.
Speaker 2: If he stepped on the bounds and touched the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's an obscure rule that a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: know that I learned early in the nineties.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you probably know if you're listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast, that if a kickoff goes out of bounds
Speaker 2: before it gets the end zone, that's a penalty on
Speaker 2: the kicking team and the ball go out to the
Speaker 2: forty which is great for the return Sure how many
Speaker 2: returns get to the forty machpecs only go to the
Speaker 2: twenty five. I ranted about that last week. If you're
Speaker 2: standing with any part of your body out of bounds
Speaker 2: and you grab the kickoff, even if it's inbounds, that
Speaker 2: is now considered the ball going out of bounds, So
Speaker 2: that gets the penalty, and a heady returnment probably would
Speaker 2: have done that right there. It was a golden opportunity
Speaker 2: to do it, but he just kind of I actually
Speaker 2: ran in to Keith Armstrong and he said it may
Speaker 2: have been just that he wanted to return it initially,
Speaker 2: And if that's true, that's to me that's his part
Speaker 2: of bad decision, because what are the chances you're going
Speaker 2: to get to the forty. All you got to do
Speaker 2: is step out of bounds and grab ball, and your
Speaker 2: team's at the forty and your coaches are loving you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't a terrible outcome. They got the
Speaker 2: ball to twenty five. Yeah, but still, yeah, you got
Speaker 2: to know the rules.
Speaker 3: But keep changing the special teams rules. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: So Chris Godwin Chris before this game because his production
Speaker 2: of late has been a little down, nothing dramatic, and
Speaker 2: he's been banged up, and I think that has something
Speaker 2: to do with Oh yes, Coach Canal said, yeah, we
Speaker 2: want to get him. We need to get him into
Speaker 2: the end zone. He only had one touchdown. Well we
Speaker 2: got him into the end zone, but probably not the
Speaker 2: way Dave was expecting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't matter. He Chris took it in his
Speaker 3: own hands.
Speaker 2: So Chris, Chris did not have a catch. Nope, he
Speaker 2: did not have a catch in the game. Yet he
Speaker 2: scored nineteen yards and nineteen yard end around and as
Speaker 2: soon as he's as soon as he went in motion,
Speaker 2: it was third and one. It was a critical third
Speaker 2: and one. As soon as he went in motion, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, oh, please give him the ball, please, give because
Speaker 2: we've seen that play, yeah, and it's I feel like
Speaker 2: it's worked every time. Remember the NFC Championship game yes
Speaker 2: in Green Bay. I loved it. It was like as
Speaker 2: soon as they handed off, like we're getting this yard,
Speaker 2: we're getting this yard, and then he just followed blocks.
Speaker 2: I think Kate Otton had a nice block downfield and
Speaker 2: got all the way into the en zone for the touchdown.
Speaker 2: So he got in and Godwin had zero catches in
Speaker 2: the game. And I saw him in the locker room
Speaker 2: right afterwards with Mike. When they first came in. You
Speaker 2: would have you you wouldn't have known. You could have
Speaker 2: thought he had ten catches. He did not appear perturbed
Speaker 2: in the least.
Speaker 3: He he He's.
Speaker 2: One of those guys that were when we when five
Speaker 2: years from now, we're going, let's talk about the best
Speaker 2: team guys we've had. He's a guy you'd bring up.
Speaker 3: He was on Bucks Total Access yesterday. Oh wow, and
Speaker 3: uh it's a great listen. He I even said this
Speaker 3: after the show was over with. I just said, hey, Chris,
Speaker 3: I said, I've I've I've truly appreciated you, But after
Speaker 3: sitting here and listening to you speak, I just appreciate
Speaker 3: you even more. And it's not that I don't appreciate
Speaker 3: you before, but because the kind of person you are
Speaker 3: and what you say and your actions very inspiring. And uh,
Speaker 3: it's a great listen. He talks about the reason why
Speaker 3: he's the way he is. He's he's good piece, there's
Speaker 3: no question about and he's excited for his teammates. You know,
Speaker 3: he's not a me. He's not a me me me
Speaker 3: me guy ever has been no, so that is that
Speaker 3: is very very refreshing. But that's a good listen.
Speaker 2: It kind of left things in an unusual situation though,
Speaker 2: because next Chris's next game that's coming Sunday in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: this is going to be the one hundredth game of
Speaker 2: his career.
Speaker 3: Oh, I generally got down.
Speaker 2: I generally try to make a point of telling guys
Speaker 2: that during the week because they generally don't know Chris
Speaker 2: might know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't.
Speaker 2: Because to me, no matter, I don't care about anything
Speaker 2: else about your stats or your rings or anything else.
Speaker 2: If you've played one hundred NFL games, you've had a
Speaker 2: successful career exactly.
Speaker 3: And the way he came to rehab back to continue
Speaker 3: play remarkable.
Speaker 2: And then he had like one hundred catches last year,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be his one hundred game. You
Speaker 2: know how many catches he has, uh total this year
Speaker 2: or no in his career? Four hundred and ninety nine. Oh,
Speaker 2: so he'll hit five hundred game.
Speaker 3: Those are great notes. I'm gonna use them all for
Speaker 3: one hundredth game. And if he makes a catch, his
Speaker 3: five hundredth catch, wonder if they'll keep the ball if
Speaker 3: they know Yeah, well, I'll talk with Brad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Apparently you could. You could text him and he'd
Speaker 2: get it right out.
Speaker 3: Apparently people answer my Texas, aren't you? And Brad? H
Speaker 3: Here's the things I didn't get the who is this?
Speaker 2: Who do this?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Here's the thing okay that I find interesting?
Speaker 3: Will we?
Speaker 2: I hope? So third downs they've turned around. You know
Speaker 2: how many big of a problem that was for us?
Speaker 2: Very much so, particularly on defense. In this game they
Speaker 2: were three or fifteen, But.
Speaker 3: There were a couple of third downs that irritated.
Speaker 2: Me that we gave up. They only gave up three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were long ones. If I'm not there
Speaker 3: is one that was pretty long. They I didn't have
Speaker 3: a game they had.
Speaker 2: You couldn't have been any longer.
Speaker 3: Wait, there's one like fifteen yards something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, Okay, they were all three
Speaker 2: of their they converted, well, none of them were longer
Speaker 2: than ten yards.
Speaker 3: Okay, the they were three of fifteen.
Speaker 2: And the remarkable part is they were one of five
Speaker 2: from third, third and one to third and three. We
Speaker 2: stopped four of their five really short third downs. That's
Speaker 2: big a lot, and we weren't doing that much earlier
Speaker 2: in the season. They were one of two from four
Speaker 2: to six, and one of four from seven to ten,
Speaker 2: zero three from eleven to twenty, and zero one from
Speaker 2: beyond twenty. So three of fifteen that game. Let's see,
Speaker 2: Indianapolis was two of eleven, Houston was only three of
Speaker 2: eleven a few weeks ago. San fran was four of ten,
Speaker 2: which you know, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: But over the.
Speaker 3: Last so after yeah, three games.
Speaker 2: Well after well that's those weren't consecutive. But after seven games,
Speaker 2: the Bucks were last in the league, allowing fifty point
Speaker 2: five conversion rate on third downs fifty point five last
Speaker 2: and league. Over the last five games, they've only allowed
Speaker 2: twenty nine point zero percent. So either the problem is
Speaker 2: solved or we're on a nice little run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say we're on a nice little run, because
Speaker 3: your problem's not solved until you continue doing it all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: So on offense, the last four games for the Bucks
Speaker 2: seven to fifteen, seven of fourteen, five of thirteen, and
Speaker 2: six of fifteen, Right, that's a nice little run, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they've been struggling a little bit. That's forty three
Speaker 2: point nine percent over those four weeks. So third down
Speaker 2: I think had been a weakness for us in terms
Speaker 2: of comparing what we were getting to what the other
Speaker 2: team was getting. And now I feel like it's been
Speaker 2: a strength. So that's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But stopping them four or five times on third downs
Speaker 2: of three or four yards I think is the key
Speaker 2: point I'm making here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it's huge.
Speaker 2: And also talking about things that are turning around. Do
Speaker 2: you think we have a run game now?
Speaker 3: I think we have, might have discovered it, Yes, I think.
Speaker 3: I think he's doing an awesome job finding the whole.
Speaker 2: Not just for Shod right the line, yes, but also
Speaker 2: but also the power running. I think what it is,
Speaker 2: I think part of what it did while the line
Speaker 2: is maybe gelling a bit. Also, Rareshod seems to be
Speaker 2: doing a better job of picking the right lanes now right,
Speaker 2: And I'll read you something that Dave Canal said before
Speaker 2: this game. The Bucks had a season high one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty eight yards against the Panthers, but they had
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five the week before against Indy.
Speaker 2: They've averaged about five yards to carry over those two games.
Speaker 2: Dave was talking. It is typically very fleshed out and
Speaker 2: informational answer to any question. You know, why is the
Speaker 2: running game turning around? It starts with and he starts
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. It starts with Hainesy getting us
Speaker 2: directed the right way, which he's doing a great job,
Speaker 2: and then seeing Cody's growth, especially over the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, and and Stinney doing a great job that group.
Speaker 2: Really then Rashad trusting what's happening in front. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Yeah, I thought he's talking about the
Speaker 2: Colts game. I thought it was his best disciplined run
Speaker 2: game that he had of the year in terms of
Speaker 2: just pressing the runs the right way to force the
Speaker 2: defense into those combo blocks.
Speaker 3: Which basically is saying this is where you run, no
Speaker 3: matter what you see. Run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I guess or these are the possibly
Speaker 2: what's going to happen and if it goes right, this
Speaker 2: is where the lad the combo blocks are talking about
Speaker 2: duo where uh oh, savannahs it's official.
Speaker 3: Hi, come on, yeah, there you go, thank you. Thank
Speaker 3: you means mind's on my desk too.
Speaker 2: Our intern last year would always just slip it under
Speaker 2: this in Savannah Kala. Savannah wanted to come in.
Speaker 3: Yes, well she could have come in.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I just don't know if she knew
Speaker 2: she could slip at the door.
Speaker 3: But she she did a run deal.
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, maybe we got a run game now,
Speaker 2: it would be nice.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping we continue that to have something, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that uh it certainly helps everything else going on.
Speaker 3: And when you start getting the run game. Considering, Dave
Speaker 3: said that he wanted to be able to establish the run.
Speaker 3: It shows that the guys are buying into the offensive
Speaker 3: scheme and they're understanding it more and more each game,
Speaker 3: which is pretty crucial right now because your back's up
Speaker 3: against the wall. Yeah yeah, there's no wiggle room right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you when you're when you have a
Speaker 2: new coordinator and you're stalling a whole new offense, any
Speaker 2: even new starting quarterback, and you have a lot of
Speaker 2: differences on the offensive line. You kind of expected to
Speaker 2: take a while to gel. And this may be a
Speaker 2: process that lasts more than one season. You know. We
Speaker 2: make some strides this year, then we have another offseason
Speaker 2: to work on it and maybe next year. From the beginning,
Speaker 2: the running game is more efficient and more productive. We'd
Speaker 2: love it to be great down to stretch. But even
Speaker 2: if it's not a huge improvement, it's nice to see.
Speaker 3: If it stayed at where it has been the last
Speaker 3: couple of games, I think will be okay.
Speaker 2: All right, So do we need to talk about anything
Speaker 2: more in that game?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Doabi look good again?
Speaker 3: Oh? Gosh? Did he not? Oh?
Speaker 2: He had another sack when the chase out. He's now
Speaker 2: second amongst all rookies and sacks. Third round pick. Unbelievable,
Speaker 2: he's a he's been fined.
Speaker 3: Uh. I think the young kids played really really well.
Speaker 3: The rookies played really really well, no question.
Speaker 2: Kevon Meriweather got into the game, did well. So okay,
Speaker 2: how about Atlanta. Uh, that's where we're going next. Well, Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I watched the Atlanta Jets game and it was a
Speaker 3: real slug face.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Well, I actually had the red zone on, but then
Speaker 3: I was like, I try to watch the teams that
Speaker 3: we're going to be playing, just to get a night.
Speaker 2: This was in the one o'clock windows. Yes, we were flexed.
Speaker 3: To four o'clock, and so the Jets had their opportunities.
Speaker 3: It didn't help that they fumbled the ball like on
Speaker 3: the forty yard line. So but it was a very
Speaker 3: low scoring game. Nothing. Nothing made me go wow. Atlanta
Speaker 3: is just a real, you know, powerhouse. But the problem
Speaker 3: with them is they could break out at any time. Well,
Speaker 3: they do have they do have a great running game.
Speaker 2: They do have a great running game, and that's going
Speaker 2: to be the key.
Speaker 3: And they have a great kicker, and they're going to
Speaker 3: be indoors, so they're playing on a forty yard feet.
Speaker 2: They also have some decent defensive numbers. I think their
Speaker 2: tenth in in in yards and seventh in points or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: So and they're in first place, so you can't discount that.
Speaker 2: So the Bucks are going up through the battle for
Speaker 2: a piece of first place. Yeah, there five and seven,
Speaker 2: Atlanta six and six. The Saints are also five and seven,
Speaker 2: and they are playing Carolina right at home. I think, so,
Speaker 2: chances are they'll be six and seven. Well, I like
Speaker 2: to see, you know, chances are.
Speaker 3: Chances are, That's all I said.
Speaker 2: Chances are what car is hurt concussed? Yeah, but car
Speaker 2: wasn't playing all that great.
Speaker 3: Well, he he brought him back from Detroit until he
Speaker 3: got slaughtered. They were down like twenty four to nothing,
Speaker 3: and they came they came roaring back in the second half.
Speaker 3: They scored like three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Do you want me to look up the numbers. He's
Speaker 2: not playing that well.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand that, but I think he's better than
Speaker 3: their alternative chance. Yes, it's close. We're going to find out.
Speaker 2: It's close.
Speaker 3: Come on, Carolina, show us you're you know, yeah, show
Speaker 3: us some slice, some D play some D Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. So the Bucks, if they were to win in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: which we know is definitely no sure thing. Nope, not
Speaker 2: saying anything of the.
Speaker 3: Like, but we certainly hope, would at the worst be.
Speaker 2: Tied with Atlanta for first and uh and then ten.
Speaker 2: You're in trouble if you also tied with the Saints.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The problem that you have is if you don't
Speaker 3: beat Atlanta, that means they swept us, and that's not
Speaker 3: a good thing. I would say, I don't mean to
Speaker 3: be salty about this, but I'm still mad about that game. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so you have this is a revenge game. You have
Speaker 3: to you know, all games. You know, it's funny when
Speaker 3: everybody goes there was a question of, well you beat
Speaker 3: the Panthers, but this is Atlanta game. This is a
Speaker 3: must have game. All games are must have because at
Speaker 3: the end of the end of the season, you don't Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't get extra credit for winning in September, and
Speaker 3: you know they all count the same. So this particular game, though,
Speaker 3: because of how the season unfolded, you you really need
Speaker 3: if you want to win the divis, if you want
Speaker 3: to continue to have a chance to win the division.
Speaker 3: I truly believe you have to win this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me you agree or no, one hundred
Speaker 2: percent agree. I don't think that the Buccaneers have to
Speaker 2: sweep the remaining five games to win the division.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I do think they need to win this one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then if they don't, they still have a shot.
Speaker 2: But it's slim and he still can fight for the
Speaker 2: wild card. Correct, But the chances of them winning the
Speaker 2: division if they lose this game will be very slim. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and I'll explain why well after your talk.
Speaker 3: The difference too is the Bucks can control their own destiny.
Speaker 3: That's going to bring that right now. If you don't
Speaker 3: win this game, now, you got to ask someone to
Speaker 3: help you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let's explain why.
Speaker 3: Let's explain why.
Speaker 2: The Buccaneers, if they lost to the Falcons, would be
Speaker 2: two games back and Atlanta it would be functionally three
Speaker 2: games back because Atlanta would have the tiebreaker over them,
Speaker 2: so they can't tie and get the division. They have
Speaker 2: to They're three back, right, and they would only have
Speaker 2: four games left, and Atlanta's remaining schedule isn't that hard
Speaker 2: it would It would be very surprising for the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: to come back from that over the last four weeks.
Speaker 2: If they win, as Jeff said, it is true they
Speaker 2: control their own destiny, they would be tied with Atlanta
Speaker 2: at six and seven. And if both teams won out.
Speaker 2: If the Bucks went out and Atlanta loses even one
Speaker 2: game in New Orleans two, then obviously, well, Bucks winning
Speaker 2: out means they'd beat New Orleans. So New Orleans is out.
Speaker 2: Of the picture. If the Bucks went out, even if Atlanta
Speaker 2: wins out and they're tied at ten and seven, they
Speaker 2: are now head to head one in one. Both teams
Speaker 2: would have a five to one record in the division.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing is record in common games.
Speaker 2: There are twelve games that the Bucks and the Falcons
Speaker 2: had the same opponent, like they both played everybody in
Speaker 2: the EFC South. As an example, the Buccaneers would win
Speaker 2: the common games. I think nine to three to eight
Speaker 2: and four something, Okay. I think the key is that
Speaker 2: ca Ortlanta may have lost to Tennessee. I think Bucks
Speaker 2: beat Tennessee. So Jeff is correct. If the Bucks, the
Speaker 2: Bucks right now control their own destiny destiny win five
Speaker 2: and they win the division. After the Atlanta game, it'll
Speaker 2: be even more like that. If they lose, they definitely
Speaker 2: do not control their own destiny and probably have a
Speaker 2: better shot at a wild card.
Speaker 3: And the other side of it is, you gotta have
Speaker 3: a streak here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta go.
Speaker 3: You gotta you can't win one, lose to win one.
Speaker 3: You gotta get back to where you were in September,
Speaker 3: when you were three and one in the month of December.
Speaker 3: If you could roll off three and one, I think
Speaker 3: you'd be in pretty good shape. Now. The question the key, though,
Speaker 3: is which one if you're not gonna win, on if.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna If you're not gonna win, that's an
Speaker 2: easy answer. Jacksonville. Yeah, yes, because it's an AFC opponent.
Speaker 3: And so now, uh, not even gonna I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna bother the look ahead because they did watch that
Speaker 3: Green Bay game all the way to the end, and
Speaker 3: green Bay seems to be catching their strike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan loves starting to look really good.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 2: Jeff's bring this up because we play in Green Bay
Speaker 2: in week fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, next week this week, but next week two Sundays
Speaker 3: from now. So you know, it's one game at a time.
Speaker 3: But I would like to see us. Uh the Buccaneers. Wow,
Speaker 3: I'll say us. I might check those bucks on it.
Speaker 3: It's electronic, I understand it, well, I know, but it's
Speaker 3: still you know what I'm saying. Uh, I think it's
Speaker 3: just one of those if you're going to be a contender,
Speaker 3: you got to put a little bit of a streak together,
Speaker 3: and you can't be hoping everybody else helps you. So
Speaker 3: I'm in that vein and I want to win the
Speaker 3: division because I want everyone to grouse because it's not
Speaker 3: the strongest division, as everyone says. But you know what,
Speaker 3: you get a home playoff game and that would be awesome.
Speaker 3: And actually, when you really look at the NFC, there's
Speaker 3: probably maybe seven teams that are five hundred and above
Speaker 3: and the rest are struggling. So it's almost half.
Speaker 2: You printing up these stats. And last time you did it,
Speaker 2: you can look at that. I looked it up and
Speaker 2: you were totally wrong.
Speaker 3: The NFC not afe. I said, NFC. AFC's real good.
Speaker 3: At AFC is really good, all right, NFC, how many
Speaker 3: five hundred.
Speaker 2: Nine teams are five hundred? Are better?
Speaker 3: Okay? I said seven?
Speaker 2: Only five are over five hundred because there's one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: there's four, six and six teams. I mean, somebody around
Speaker 2: here was saying it yesterday. We think gotta win the division.
Speaker 2: Probably not gonna win a wild card. But there's one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five six teams that are either six and six or
Speaker 2: five and seven. The six and six teams that are
Speaker 2: ahead of the Buccaneers right now are Minnesota, who doesn't
Speaker 2: have a quarterback and is about to play Wow, Las
Speaker 2: Vegas yeah, at Las Vegas, Green Bay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just.
Speaker 2: Talked about them. They're doing well. They're at the Giants.
Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah, well but the Giants will be playing
Speaker 3: pretty good. The Rams, they're hot right now. They're having
Speaker 3: the Rams.
Speaker 2: I think they got a tough one. Then don't they
Speaker 2: have Baltimore? Yeah, the Rams have to play at Baltimore. Uh, Seattle, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a tough opponent. They're at San Francisco. So
Speaker 2: it would not be a surprise to see two of
Speaker 2: those those last two six six or six teams to
Speaker 2: lose this way.
Speaker 3: And there's and there's another reason why you want to
Speaker 3: get to that so you can pull. You want to
Speaker 3: win so you can get into the also the wild
Speaker 3: card or as they say on TV all the time,
Speaker 3: in the hunt. So very very important game. But you
Speaker 3: know it's December, and that's you know, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: you got. You can't lose the whole month of December
Speaker 3: and expect to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: As well as we know from two thousand and eight, right,
Speaker 2: just saying streaks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so hopefully hopefully things will start going and and
Speaker 3: you know, if you can get healthy or I think
Speaker 3: it's like you said, getting Lavante back would be really huge,
Speaker 3: very very big huge. We'll be paying attention to that.
Speaker 3: All right, what else you.
Speaker 2: Got I think? I'm good, You're good. We got a question?
Speaker 3: We do?
Speaker 2: You want to go to some questions?
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to some questions.
Speaker 2: Let's go to some questions.
Speaker 3: Go to the questions. Hi, I totally appreciate you sending
Speaker 3: your questions, and Scott's going to tell you how to
Speaker 3: do it. If you're sitting there, going I have a question.
Speaker 3: I wonder how I send it to the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 2: I should have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but continue if you like to send us questions,
Speaker 3: and we would love for you to send us quest
Speaker 3: comments or comments. And oh, by the way, peg, if
Speaker 3: you're ever listening to these podcasts, I'd like to hear back.
Speaker 2: I hope she's still listening.
Speaker 3: I hope so too.
Speaker 2: Send an email to remember.
Speaker 3: Nancy, the nurse that used to write to us. We
Speaker 3: haven't heard her.
Speaker 2: Her emails were always in some kind of like colorful
Speaker 2: interesting font h she really tried to make.
Speaker 3: It look certainly. Hope she's still listening.
Speaker 2: Send emails to us at Salty Dogs at Buccaneers dot
Speaker 2: NFL dot com. Don't forget the dot NFL part in
Speaker 2: the middle. Okay, it's not Buccaneers dot Com. We love
Speaker 2: him well. We try to get to all of them
Speaker 2: if possible. Comments, rants, telling me why I'm right and
Speaker 2: Jeff's wrong, things like that. We love to hear those things.
Speaker 3: All right, We're all in.
Speaker 2: This is from Dan to Maria, who's in Palm Harbor.
Speaker 2: I think he.
Speaker 3: Wrote to us last week. Local guy.
Speaker 2: O HOI Salty Dogs. I'm glad we wanted to keep
Speaker 2: our playoff and division title hopes alive. Yes, I'm so
Speaker 2: happy for Mike Evans getting another one thousand yard seasons.
Speaker 3: Hey, he's that guy. Everybody pulls for him.
Speaker 2: You're gonna notice a theme in these emails this week.
Speaker 2: We need to keep him for as long as possible.
Speaker 2: I hope we went again next Sunday because our chances
Speaker 2: of making the playoffs and winning the division on the line.
Speaker 2: Next Sunday, it's due or die time. YEP. I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you guys if they could please do another
Speaker 2: Tampa to Salty Dogs mash up podcast because you did
Speaker 2: one before and I loved it, just like I love
Speaker 2: both shows. I also wanted to give a shout out
Speaker 2: to the Bucks fans who braved the rain and stayed
Speaker 2: the whole time. Did your did you guys are Casey
Speaker 2: Phillips or Brianna Dix get wet or drenched? And did
Speaker 2: you step any mud in any mud? Afterwards?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Sincerely, Dan, And he just says, go Bucks, raise the flags. Okay,
Speaker 2: I already told the Casey Phillips story.
Speaker 3: Yep, I stepped in mud going to the car. You did, well,
Speaker 3: it's it's the dirt parking lot.
Speaker 2: I didn't step in any mud. No, Uh, I know
Speaker 2: Brianna got a little rained on before the game, but
Speaker 2: for the most part we were just up in the
Speaker 2: press box feeling bad for the people on the field
Speaker 2: the mashup. We absolutely are planning to do several of
Speaker 2: those in the in the at least three. I think
Speaker 2: in the off season. It's a little hard to.
Speaker 3: Choose one of your goals. For you, it's one of
Speaker 3: your what do you call it? I don't pillars, I
Speaker 3: don't know you're in.
Speaker 2: But we we have already written down that we intend
Speaker 2: to do three, at least three, because I think we
Speaker 2: were going to do one before the combine slash free agency,
Speaker 2: one before the draft, and one one before training camp,
Speaker 2: so that if anybody doesn't know, obviously you're listening to
Speaker 2: the Salty Dogs packcast. Casey and Brianna do a really
Speaker 2: good Tampa two podcast I think goes up on Fridays.
Speaker 2: They are very structured, as we've mentioned if you listen
Speaker 2: to this pack, because you know, there is no structure,
Speaker 2: we wind all over the place and double back and
Speaker 2: go off on tangents. They prepare ahead of time and
Speaker 2: do specific questions that they answer. And so we have
Speaker 2: done two podcasts with them where we just mashed them
Speaker 2: up and we did a little like the way we
Speaker 2: do it and a little like the way they sure,
Speaker 2: and we've had several people say they liked it. So
Speaker 2: I'm happy to tell you that, yeah, not in the building.
Speaker 3: There's a big there's a big cry for it right now.
Speaker 3: To me, it's more work on my part. But sorry
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: But it's a little hard to uh to schedule that
Speaker 2: during the season, so we're going to do it in
Speaker 2: the off season. So thanks for that question. Yep, this
Speaker 2: is from Richard terror Tara Oka. He helpfully gives me
Speaker 2: the pronunciation each time. Now, good Richard Tara Tara oh
Speaker 2: Oka Tara oka oh Ola salting ears. I thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be ola like Spanish Chellow. Happy holidays
Speaker 2: to you and your families. Well thy, thank you same
Speaker 2: great needed win. On Sunday, Elijah Kansi and Yah Yah
Speaker 2: Dabbi are looking, are looking really promising for the future
Speaker 2: of the defensive line. Yes, I have a few questions
Speaker 2: for you guys. Well that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Mike Evans continues to make history and hit his one
Speaker 2: thousand yard's Week thirteen. Is that the fastest Evans made
Speaker 2: it to one thousand yards in his career? Good question,
Speaker 2: I have an answer. I would love to see him
Speaker 2: be the buccaneers first one hundred TDS player. Not kind
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks. But quarterbacks don't score touchdowns generally they throw them,
Speaker 2: but they don't get credit for scoring them. So he's
Speaker 2: already he's already obviously would be the first because he's
Speaker 2: the only guy. He's the top guy with ninety one.
Speaker 2: If you discussed this by this saying, no need to
Speaker 2: discuss again. So I put together last week for the
Speaker 2: purposes of potentially a story or a video.
Speaker 3: Ooh, you're thinking ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd pitched the idea that we do something.
Speaker 3: On on.
Speaker 2: Every catch that got him over one thousand.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did hear you talking about this? I'm looking
Speaker 3: are you going to do it right?
Speaker 2: We're doing it?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Good, because there's definitely gonna be a video. I think
Speaker 2: I'll probably write a story as well. So in twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen his rookie year, it was in week seventeen. In
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, it was in week fifteen. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: it was in week twelve. Wow, out of seventeen, now
Speaker 2: have eighteen. In twenty seventeen, it was in week seventeen.
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, it was in week twelve. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: it was in week twelve. In twenty twenty, it was
Speaker 2: in week seventeen. Twenty twenty one, it was in week eighteen,
Speaker 2: and last year is in week seventeen. This year week thirteen.
Speaker 2: So this is not his fastest, no, because he's gotten
Speaker 2: there in week twelve three times.
Speaker 3: Speaking of going over one thousand yards, what about Tyreek
Speaker 3: Hill almost going over? He has an opportunity to go
Speaker 3: over two thousand yard.
Speaker 2: I think he's well on pace for it, right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Is, No, he is. I think he's like I want
Speaker 3: to say he's only like five hundred yards short. With
Speaker 3: five games to play, he's.
Speaker 2: At some fourteen eighty one Okay, well, averaging one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty three point four per game.
Speaker 3: That would be pretty phenomenal. I mean, they have a
Speaker 3: very hot that he plays for, the Miami Dolphins, if
Speaker 3: you don't know, and they they do have a high
Speaker 3: power offense.
Speaker 2: They have a high powered office. But it seems like
Speaker 2: you should know this is coming, and then they just
Speaker 2: he gets wide open behind the defense. Well, they can't
Speaker 2: catch you.
Speaker 3: If you can't, if you can't keep up with the guy,
Speaker 3: you know he's gonna You know.
Speaker 2: He's on pace for two thousand and ninety eight receiving yards.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Do you know what the NFL record is?
Speaker 3: No? I don't either. I have no idea and I
Speaker 3: wouldn't even it. It'd have to be recent because gosh,
Speaker 3: in the beginning, no one ever threw the ball. Would
Speaker 3: it be Jerry? Would it be?
Speaker 2: I think it's Calvin Johnson off the top of my head, Okay,
Speaker 2: with that up.
Speaker 3: That would be. That could be very true. That might
Speaker 3: be because he was.
Speaker 2: At one Calvin Johnson had nineteen sixty four in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: and Cooper Cup had nineteen forty seven just two seasons ago,
Speaker 2: so nobody's made it to two thousand before. He said
Speaker 2: that was his goal going into the season. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: it was reasonable, but still he didn't really think you'd.
Speaker 3: Get there, no, considering no one believed in their quarterback.
Speaker 2: So that's true, and also their quarterbacks ability to stay healthy.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he's done that, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't think that was the end of that Emailt's see,
Speaker 2: what's the team's rookie record for sacks in the season.
Speaker 2: Is it breakable this year by yah Ya and or?
Speaker 3: I think it was Gaines Adams.
Speaker 2: Who Santana Dots in ten in twenty nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: my first season here.
Speaker 3: Yes, now I remember that was.
Speaker 2: A fifth thron draft pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was before he went to Green Bad.
Speaker 2: He had he had five sacks in the Bucks first
Speaker 2: three games and then he ended up with ten, and
Speaker 2: that's still the record. I think Gaines Adams is second
Speaker 2: with six. No, No, Adrian Claybourne had seven point five
Speaker 2: in his rookie year and Gaines had six and his
Speaker 2: rookie year. So I don't know. Do I really think
Speaker 2: Yaya is gonna get five more in the last five games.
Speaker 2: Chances are not, but it's possible. And Collide's at four.
Speaker 2: I think, so he needs.
Speaker 3: Six more all of a sudden, you could get hot.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, is hot. He's got five in his
Speaker 2: last six games. Yeah, okay three. I love listening to
Speaker 2: the Nothing but Bucks podcast with TJ Reevees. Is there
Speaker 2: an understanding or an agreement for TJ to have his
Speaker 2: own little interview session? I'm asking this because when he
Speaker 2: starts to interview players in postgame media sessions, he gets
Speaker 2: to ask a series of questions in a row, and
Speaker 2: all the other media members let him. It's pretty badass.
Speaker 2: Since you did, thanks for reading, Okay, So Jess gonna
Speaker 2: explain it.
Speaker 3: It depends on who he's talking to. Sometimes we are
Speaker 3: fortunate enough to get one on ones. Usually when we
Speaker 3: talk to Baker Mayfield, it is a one on one.
Speaker 3: The other thing, and I will say, it's a courtesy
Speaker 3: that other media members do. If we step in there,
Speaker 3: we'll say we're live, and they are. They are gracious
Speaker 3: enough to let him just ask questions until we walk away,
Speaker 3: and then they they continue. So it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of both but it is because the other
Speaker 3: media members are letting him proceed because we are the
Speaker 3: only outfit that is live out of the locker room.
Speaker 2: I'm usually there when he does Baker because TJ is
Speaker 2: kind enough to let me also record it so I
Speaker 2: can get Baker quote before that is, generally before the
Speaker 2: media is in the locker room. Yes, they they let
Speaker 2: There's obviously a period where there's nobody in there, and
Speaker 2: at some point they let TJ in with a with Kevin.
Speaker 2: Kevin his producer, and Baker knows that he's coming, and
Speaker 2: it's been gracious, like Wes, So we're all in there
Speaker 2: before the media is in there. Now, later when TITA
Speaker 2: is interviewing some other players, usually the rest of the media
Speaker 2: is in there right and like you said, they understand
Speaker 2: what's going on, yeah, and wait for him to finish
Speaker 2: before they didn't get.
Speaker 3: Theirs, and that's that's a courtesy.
Speaker 2: Well Also, all they're trying to do is get sounds,
Speaker 2: so that's true. They're recording what he's saying when being
Speaker 2: interviewed by Wells, so they're just so getting what they need, sure,
Speaker 2: but they also get to they're gracious enough to wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: All right, good question.
Speaker 3: Any media member listening to.
Speaker 2: This podcast, I think, uh, I think Greg Aman listens, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because he's always commenting how wrong I am. Well.
Speaker 2: He also it's the most thorough oh he person in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: He does, he does his homework.
Speaker 2: I think he considers listening to this podcast just part
Speaker 2: of being thoroughly covering.
Speaker 3: I think he listens to this podcast when he's driving
Speaker 3: between the NFC South teams and gives him something to
Speaker 3: do as he's getting there.
Speaker 2: We're talking about you, Greg, all righta, all right, This
Speaker 2: is from Sam ny Now in Nashville, Tennessee. All right, dogs,
Speaker 2: I hope you're both doing well.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I was so happy for Mike that game with his
Speaker 2: TD catch, the catch that extended his own record of
Speaker 2: consecutive thousand and ur seasons to start a career, and
Speaker 2: with the stadium channing his name. It made me feel
Speaker 2: like Mike was having his Rod Tidwell moment from Jerry
Speaker 2: maguire When Rod caught that touchdown that basically ended the
Speaker 2: game and the crowd was going nuts. You knew Jerry's
Speaker 2: going to going to show him the money. I like,
Speaker 2: I personally can't see how the team will let him
Speaker 2: walk after this great season he is having. It's obvious
Speaker 2: Evans is the best offensive player in Bucks history. This
Speaker 2: is me I agree in your opinion. What would it
Speaker 2: have to do? What would he have to do to
Speaker 2: be the best overall player in Bucks history? Thanks for
Speaker 2: the great podcast as well, and let's take back first
Speaker 2: place again this week. Also, we still need some salty dog.
Speaker 3: Merch, all right, maybe in the off season we should
Speaker 3: put that in the plan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was actually having a similar conversation because yes, I
Speaker 2: don't think you can argue that he's the greatest offensive
Speaker 2: player and teammate. Now, I'm with you. If you were
Speaker 2: going to argue, I guess you'd go Mike Alstott, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Paul Kruber and Brady.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Gronk wasn't here long enough to be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does he have to do? I mean, he
Speaker 2: has to make the Hall of Fame first, sure, because
Speaker 2: you can't really pick a guy that's not in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame over four guys that are like we
Speaker 2: couldn't really say Simme and Rice, right, even though he's
Speaker 2: a fantastic player, you can't pick him over Derek Brooks
Speaker 2: and Warren Sap and Ronde Barber and John Lynch correct
Speaker 2: and Leroy Sowen. Don't let me forget him. They're all
Speaker 2: defensive players. Uh, Where do you rank Mike? Now? I
Speaker 2: think I think generally the argument is, if you're choosing
Speaker 2: the best player and team in franchise history, usually comes
Speaker 2: down to Derek Brooks and Leroy Semen. Yeah, I'd say
Speaker 2: that if you want to start there, But I'm sure
Speaker 2: many people would argue Ron Day. I might argue that,
Speaker 2: or Derek Brooks, you know, I mean Warren Sapp. Excuse me.
Speaker 2: It gets tough though, Like Warren Sap, if we if
Speaker 2: we look back at it, if we take ourselves back
Speaker 2: to that time, yep, this is truly a game changing player,
Speaker 2: a position changing He changed the way the position is played.
Speaker 2: He had He won an NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 2: as did Deare Brooks, as did Leroy Summon. Mike's not
Speaker 2: going to have an award like that in his career.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you ask me right now to pick between Warren
Speaker 2: and Mike, that's tough. Barber. I might put Rodney Barber third,
Speaker 2: all right, I might put Rodney Barber second or first.
Speaker 2: I mean based on the weight of his accomplishments and
Speaker 2: his tenure with the team. Uh. Boy, I don't want
Speaker 2: to I'm not gonna want to answer that question right now. No,
Speaker 2: let's wait and see what it looks like at the end.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like ranking, you know, when
Speaker 3: you you know, power rank.
Speaker 2: Power ranking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all great. Yeah, depends on your mood, you know,
Speaker 3: depends on you know, you can you can convince yourself
Speaker 3: this is it, and then you stop for a second,
Speaker 3: and then you can argue yourself out of that one
Speaker 3: for various reasons.
Speaker 2: Plus, there's no one answer because you might have you
Speaker 2: might think you know what the top five is, but
Speaker 2: it's different than my top five. Right, So it's a
Speaker 2: debate that will never end, and it's a good thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: What would he have to do, because sider the best ever,
Speaker 2: he'd probably have to win like an Offensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year award or something like that, and he'd have
Speaker 2: to get to what one hundred and twenty touchdowns, right,
Speaker 2: get top ten all time and receiving because Derek Brooks
Speaker 2: is probably all time top ten in tackling, Warren Sap
Speaker 2: amongst defensive tackles is probably up there in Sacks, Rodney Barber,
Speaker 2: we know where he stands with his numbers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, John Lynch.
Speaker 2: Don't want to not mention John Lynch. If you go
Speaker 2: buy what they call approximate value, which is kind of
Speaker 2: a catch all stet like war. Yeah, the list goes
Speaker 2: Derek Brooks, Rodney Barber, Warren sap Levante, David he Sneaky,
Speaker 2: Leroy Salmon, John Lynch, and Mike Evans. So he's ranked
Speaker 2: seven now with eighty one AV. But he's only three
Speaker 2: behind Lynch. He's eleven behind seven, but he is one
Speaker 2: hundred and eleven behind Derek Brooks. So if you are
Speaker 2: this is on Pro Football Reference, I think is a
Speaker 2: well respect it's that approximate value. Derek Brooks is so
Speaker 2: far ahead of the rest of the field Ronde second,
Speaker 2: that I don't see how I could possibly catch him.
Speaker 2: He's got eighty one WAR through ten seasons and he's
Speaker 2: not even halfway to what Derek Brooks has, right, I'm
Speaker 2: not warring Avy but similar So anyway, it's a tough climb,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's fine just to say he's the
Speaker 2: greatest offensive player, and for a franchise that has mostly
Speaker 2: known for defense. All right, This is from Rhet Goodrich,
Speaker 2: who writes from us and has written to us before
Speaker 2: from Alaska. Oh okay, remember that whole show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2: OHI again and still shivering me timbers with tempts in
Speaker 2: the single digits.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Not enviously.
Speaker 3: Here I'm looking at our tammager and going, wow, it's
Speaker 3: going to be forty three Thursday morning, wearing long pants.
Speaker 2: Wow. Cool. I had the air conditioning on last night, though,
Speaker 2: thanks for answering.
Speaker 3: It was based because it's so muggy. It wasn't that
Speaker 3: the temperatures was so high. It's just so muggy.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it feels so still in the
Speaker 2: house when you never have the AC on. Thanks for
Speaker 2: answering my question a couple of weeks ago. I always
Speaker 2: appreciate your insight, so for this week, I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask your opinions on uniform selection. I've noticed that our
Speaker 2: team primarily wears the white jerseys for the majority of
Speaker 2: the season. I know during the hottest days. It's a
Speaker 2: strategy to make the visiting team where the dark colors
Speaker 2: and hopes that they can't handle the heat, right, but
Speaker 2: we seem to wear them even when it's cooling off
Speaker 2: in parentheses a bit, resulting in the Bucks being white
Speaker 2: and pewter instead of our beloved scarlet and white. It's
Speaker 2: not scarlet or scarlet and pewter. Also, when might the
Speaker 2: Bucks jump on the multiple alternate or retro uniform train.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I love the Pewters and I
Speaker 2: love the cream Sooker uniforms in moderation, but I would
Speaker 2: like to see some different colors. Anxious to hear your
Speaker 2: thoughts until next time the squatch, Yeah, you want to
Speaker 2: handle any of this.
Speaker 3: No, it's all done in April, so it's a decision made.
Speaker 3: I like the white, I.
Speaker 2: Do to see. That's the thing. He's saying that red
Speaker 2: and white or red on pewter is better, and I
Speaker 2: actually don't know. Red on peter is my least favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my least favorite. I like the white,
Speaker 3: I like the all.
Speaker 2: Pewter, like the all white. Yeah, I think the all
Speaker 2: white is my favorite. You had the answer there. We
Speaker 2: wear white here at home early in the season, right
Speaker 2: to try to get an advantage, put them in dark uniforms.
Speaker 2: The problem is it's still hot now and we know
Speaker 2: that in April. That it's still going to be hot
Speaker 2: in November, right.
Speaker 3: And the home team decides what color what, whether it
Speaker 3: be a light color or a dark color. First, the
Speaker 3: home team gets that that privilege, and then the visiting
Speaker 3: team gets the other choice.
Speaker 2: They have to go with the white. Although we did
Speaker 2: notice that the color rush kind of makes an exceptions
Speaker 2: because we wore pewter and the colts were blue. I
Speaker 2: saw another example.
Speaker 3: Which I thought too was interesting, was the Carolina Panthers blue.
Speaker 3: I don't remember them in all blue, that shade of
Speaker 3: all blue before it was. I thought it just looked different.
Speaker 3: I should have asked those guys that.
Speaker 2: So it's it's the same answer of November as it
Speaker 2: is in September. It's still hot here, and we have
Speaker 2: learned that you probably will see us. Let's see, we.
Speaker 3: Got two more Christmas eve New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2: I would suspect well being red in those.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would, yeah. I like Christmas one would be
Speaker 3: kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and most let's wear green pants.
Speaker 3: Speaking of I did like the lights on the on
Speaker 3: the pirate ship. The Christmas lights and the pirate ship.
Speaker 3: That's very cool.
Speaker 2: So, as Jeff said, the other team decides and teams
Speaker 2: that play in domes or are not worried about hot
Speaker 2: weather tend to wear their colored jerseys. Yeah at home,
Speaker 2: So that puts the Bucks in white.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So with the exception of this all pewter thing we did,
Speaker 2: red here is asking for other alternatives. The only other one.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got pewter, you got a pewter jersey,
Speaker 2: you got a red jersey, and you got a white jersey,
Speaker 2: and we've got creamsicle. So the only thing you could
Speaker 2: do is black.
Speaker 3: Could you do the white creamsicle uniform.
Speaker 2: Like white pants?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's talking about different colored.
Speaker 3: Jerseys though, all right, well can.
Speaker 2: You why would you want to wear creamsicleed pants with
Speaker 2: white jerseys? I could see creamsicle jerseys in white pants
Speaker 2: because we did do that some.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the way we have it. I've heard people
Speaker 2: clamoring for and you can even buy black Bucks jerseys.
Speaker 3: That was first announced when they changed in ninety seven
Speaker 3: announced well, when they had the big unveiling of the
Speaker 3: new uniform at a convention center, they displayed the black one. Also,
Speaker 3: I can't remember which player had it on, but they did.
Speaker 3: You don't remember that.
Speaker 2: Remember that day? We've never worn black jerseys.
Speaker 3: No, we never wore them, but we have.
Speaker 2: That one of them was black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there's actually we have to go
Speaker 3: to the photo archives, but there's pictures of it.
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna I'm gonna do that and and bring
Speaker 2: this back up next.
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're good, if i'm but if I'm right,
Speaker 3: are you gonna bring it up? Okay?
Speaker 2: I remember that day because I was involved in I
Speaker 2: was in PR then and I was involved in the
Speaker 2: whole process of how we did everything. And we had
Speaker 2: the little press conference inside and then we were outside
Speaker 2: to show them to the assembled fans, and fireworks were
Speaker 2: involved and wet walkie talkies, and I don't remember there's
Speaker 2: some miscommunication. I'm pretty sure that I told them to
Speaker 2: go ahead and shoot the fireworks.
Speaker 3: Off too soon. But that was a big event because
Speaker 3: that was carried live on all local TVs and we
Speaker 3: and then I was we're going at the radio station.
Speaker 3: We were broadcasting live from.
Speaker 2: That and the three players a model that were if
Speaker 2: I remember Hardy Nickerson, Mike Alstatte and.
Speaker 3: Trent Yes, And I think I want to say Hardy
Speaker 3: was in the black, but maybe I don't know. We're
Speaker 3: gonna have to find a picture. I feel like I know,
Speaker 3: I know you don't.
Speaker 2: But anyway, there are people make companies make black jerseys
Speaker 2: that they've sold. I don't think there's any plans for
Speaker 2: the Bucks to do that. And we already did multiple
Speaker 2: different schemes, as he pointed out, because we did Creamsicle
Speaker 2: and we did Peter. Yeah all right, and the creamsicles
Speaker 2: are pretty much universally loved now, so they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: So if you wanted to do something other than Peter,
Speaker 2: the best I could think it was black. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be against it. It would be interesting to see, but
Speaker 2: I kind of doubt.
Speaker 3: But never say never because in the next few years,
Speaker 3: who knows what's gonna pop up next.
Speaker 2: Well, never say never, except I think we're done.
Speaker 3: You don't have anything else, really, dude, Wow, all the questions, Wow,
Speaker 3: you just me. I'm just you're standing up and stretching,
Speaker 3: so I figured you were totally done. Yeah, okay, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have to check on that. I had a conversation
Speaker 3: with someone else about this on the convention center and
Speaker 3: all of that. I do.
Speaker 2: I can picture the pictures. Yeah, but I don't remember
Speaker 2: anybody being in black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was weird because they had it, but
Speaker 3: we never never.
Speaker 2: Seems like quite a tease if we put somebody out
Speaker 2: there in black.
Speaker 3: I remember it, but then again, I could have, as
Speaker 3: they say nowadays, misremembered, which always makes me like you
Speaker 3: didn't misremember. You're wrong, and if I'm wrong, I'll accept that,
Speaker 3: And so you stay tuned for next week to find
Speaker 3: out if I am right it Scott's wrong, and hopefully
Speaker 3: we won't be a salty we'll be singing a song
Speaker 3: being tied for first place. How's that I would like that?
Speaker 3: All right, you're done, and for you, since you did,
Speaker 3: thanks for listening,