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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guests. Former UCLA quarterback and Name, Image and Likeness

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Speaker 1: Athlete of the Year Chase Griffin is in the building.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. This is a very unique You're a very

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Speaker 1: unique guest, So I'm very honored to have you here.

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Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of athletes, okay, and we

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Speaker 1: definitely don't get a lot of athletes with a resume

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Speaker 1: like yours.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Now I'm glad to be here cooking

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Speaker 2: some good food.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So before we get into your whole story

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Speaker 1: of who you are, can you tell me what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have me eating today?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: So today we're gonna make some spaghetti and turkey meatboats.

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Speaker 3: I was talking with my mother when I was figuring

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Speaker 3: out what I wanted to cook, and she was like,

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Speaker 3: left spaghetti your whole life, And she sent me a

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Speaker 3: picture where it was a school assignment, probably like the

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Speaker 3: first or second grade, and I was talking about how

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Speaker 3: much I love spaghetti and meatballs.

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Speaker 1: Do you still wasn't most like the last time you

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Speaker 1: ate this dish?

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Speaker 2: Probably last week.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. So you really now when you sent the

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Speaker 1: dish over, you were talking about making the meatballs from scratch.

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Speaker 1: And of course, guys, I didn't even want to be

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Speaker 1: a hater. I just was a hater only because I

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Speaker 1: was just like, I didn't know if you could handle

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Speaker 1: that much cooking and talking. But I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: learn from you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean either way, I did.

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Speaker 1: The store boughs, so it'll be good, really because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear your story. All right, go ahead, and

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Speaker 1: you can start whipping up these turkey meatballs. And is

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Speaker 1: there a reason why it's turkey by.

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Speaker 3: The way, Yeah, I didn't really grow up eating pork,

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Speaker 3: but beef meatballs are good too, just just but turkey

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Speaker 3: was always sort of to go to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I did learn and I didn't look

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Speaker 1: at this back. But what I've noticed with a lot

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Speaker 1: of groceries now because I don't eat pork or beef really,

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Speaker 1: is that they be having a lot of hidden ingredients

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Speaker 1: in the fine print. It'll say like turkey meatballs, but

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Speaker 1: then it'll be like put some pork meat in the

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Speaker 1: very very tiny pit to tiny print, you know. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't check our bag. But hopefully we're good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's all good.

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Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: And then so go ahead, take me back to I

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Speaker 1: want to say, five year old youth.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I was living in Texas. I was born

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Speaker 3: actually at UCLA Santa Monica Hospital, So going back to UCLA.

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Speaker 2: Was like a homecoming for me.

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Speaker 3: My parents didn't want me growing up in La so

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Speaker 3: I had moved to Austin really round Rock when I

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Speaker 3: was four. At that time, I just started playing violin

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Speaker 3: and I just started playing soccer, which is still probably

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Speaker 3: my favorite sport to watch nowadays.

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Speaker 1: Soccer. Yeah, but you ended up playing.

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Speaker 3: Football, definitely the other football. But I think I always

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Speaker 3: had a lot of energy as a kid, even in soccer.

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Speaker 3: Was really aggressive and I liked, you know, that aggressive,

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Speaker 2: And that's one thing about me.

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Speaker 3: Even though I wasn't always the biggest player, I could

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Speaker 3: of doors from me. I'm always grateful for you. You

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Speaker 3: have siblings, Yes, I'm the oldest of three. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: so at the time when it was when I was five,

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Speaker 3: it was just my sister and I.

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Speaker 2: She's two years younger than me.

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Speaker 3: She's a senior at Stanford right now, shoutout road, super

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Speaker 3: proud of her. Yeah, he's only eleven, so he's got

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Speaker 3: all the upside in the world and now he got

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Speaker 1: I like how you positioned that. But as a young

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Speaker 1: and that's that's your your siblings. Did you watch the

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Speaker 1: Waynes interview? Yeah, your older siblings have a huge impact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's always sort of informed how I've

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Speaker 3: seen my trajectory, like, not only how does it affect me,

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Speaker 3: and you know, God will in my future family, but

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Speaker 3: how does it affect.

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Speaker 2: The immediate younger siblings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're gonna keep the pasta up.

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Speaker 1: Big big shoes whatever. You don't do that one put

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Speaker 2: Don't do that.

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Speaker 1: So the meat balls, I read the package for you,

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Speaker 1: just a case. They said, just put water in the

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Speaker 1: of water over there, and I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 1: they turned brown. I haven't made these. I'm trusting you

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Speaker 1: defeat us today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that'd be good.

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Speaker 3: They just got it as long as they could.

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Speaker 1: Ye, Like they're pre cooked.

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Speaker 2: You're just eating you just gotta heal man.

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Speaker 1: So you go back to the violin, because where does

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Speaker 1: this enter in the scene where you're playing about can

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Speaker 1: you currently play the violin?

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Speaker 2: I still can. I'm a little rusty.

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Speaker 3: I can't play the way I could when I was

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Speaker 3: growing up, and that's because I was playing every day,

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Speaker 3: the time. And then in middle school I played, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the Strings Project, which was University of Texas talent

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Speaker 2: Schools in Austin. So but I've always loved music, you know.

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Speaker 3: I was even going back last night listening to some

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Speaker 2: Like I remember there's a song called hell Yeah by

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Speaker 2: Jay Z and Dead Press that I.

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Speaker 1: Really loved, and you could play that on the violin.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, but I could still wrap it word for word.

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Speaker 3: But I've just always had a love for music, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Even more than sport. That music is the thing that

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Speaker 3: And now I produce music, so you know, in my

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Speaker 1: When you were younger, did you know that you want

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Speaker 1: Was there a particular field of interest that you felt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to go to the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I think the main thing was I was raising a

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Speaker 3: I didn't have the ability to be excellent and anything

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Speaker 3: that I put my mind to. My passion was sports,

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Speaker 2: I prefer music production, so I would.

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Speaker 3: Say my main passion was sports, but the school always

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Speaker 2: That was always the thing.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure, even if I didn't get

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Speaker 3: anything like that, I'd be able to get.

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Speaker 2: Into any school and walk on.

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Speaker 3: Thankfully, I was a good enough player where that didn't

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Speaker 1: But you were a straight a student in school.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no debating that.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to your parents. What kind of

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Speaker 2: Kid, definitely, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was blessed to have both my parents

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Speaker 2: And I never doubted that I was I was well.

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Speaker 3: I never doubted that if I put my mind towards

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Speaker 3: something I couldn't grow in that. You know, we grew

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Speaker 3: say like I think I had more privilege than some

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Speaker 3: always stuck with me because I understand what platform and

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Speaker 3: sharing perspective with my friends. I've been blessed with a

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Speaker 3: wealth of knowledge through experience, I think for a twenty

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Speaker 1: Were your parents strict on who you could be friends with,

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Speaker 1: I think it was.

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Speaker 3: More so, I think they trusted my discernment. I think

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Speaker 2: And for me, I.

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Speaker 2: First, and so I.

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Speaker 1: Just a regular word.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just I can't look at anyone and not

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Speaker 3: So as far as staying away from certain things, definitely,

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Speaker 3: And I understand, like you know, depending on your self

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did your parents do for work?

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Speaker 3: So my father he's a consultant, you know, he's worked

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Speaker 2: And then my mother is a teacher.

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Speaker 3: She actually she teaches first grade at the at the school.

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Speaker 2: Where my brother goes. Yeah, yeah, it was funny. No,

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Speaker 1: Your brother is gonna be strong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really so excited for him.

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Speaker 1: You said he's eleven, Yeah, his fifth grade. That's a

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Speaker 1: big age gap. Your parents were like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even sure what they thought process was

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Speaker 1: Big age gap. You were like a full teenager. Were

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Speaker 1: you excited when you're you're gonna have a little baby baby?

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Speaker 2: Think? I was in shock. I had to sit down. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, like for the longest it was just my sister.

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Speaker 3: And I, and you know that that's sort of the identity,

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Speaker 3: like it's me and Rose, Me and Rose, me and Rose.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I had always prayed for a brother.

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Speaker 3: Funny enough, but you know, it's on God's time and

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Speaker 2: That stream.

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Speaker 1: If that's a lot of order, you could scoop it out,

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Speaker 1: this is the This is what happens when you have

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Speaker 2: Well as a plastic doubl I don't think so right.

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Speaker 1: You're doing good. So I had a feeling that there

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Speaker 1: was an entrepreneur in there, because the whole mindset of

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Speaker 3: I'm always very appreciative man. You know, like my father,

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Speaker 3: how it works. Plus, Ucla just had so many other factors.

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Speaker 3: I think academically, if I was going to pass on

446
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Speaker 3: Harvard had to be either UCLA or Stanford.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of fine institutions out there.

449
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 3: And maybe if NIL was around while I was coming out,

450
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Speaker 3: you know, I was, I was the Gatoray Player of

451
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Speaker 3: the Year of Texas my senior year. There might have

452
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 3: been a school in Texas, or there might have been

453
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Speaker 3: a school in the South that might have had a

454
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Speaker 3: two or three million dollar an IL deal waiting for me,

455
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: and that would have you know, that definitely would have

456
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Speaker 3: factored into my decision. Yeah, but I think for the circumstances.

457
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: Once once they offered I was, I was fine with going.

458
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: But until then, like there was a lot of waiting.

459
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Speaker 3: I the IVY leagues are amazing schools in the football

460
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 3: they play is good. But I always knew I was

461
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Speaker 3: playing against guys who were committed to Oklahoma or committed

462
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Speaker 3: to Florida or committed at Ohiose State, and I was

463
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Speaker 3: beating them, and I was I was out performing other

464
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks with thirty forty offers, and I just knew that

465
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Speaker 3: I should be playing out of school at this caliber

466
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: when it comes to football, and that would provide me

467
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Speaker 3: the best opportunity to go to the NFL.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have well, before we even get into that,

469
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Speaker 1: you keep mentioning the five to ten. Yeah, did that

470
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Speaker 1: have any type of mental warfare in you point or

471
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Speaker 1: put different points?

472
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Speaker 3: So for me, I was blessed because I had school,

473
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Speaker 3: So football was do or die.

474
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Speaker 2: Like I knew if everything went to nothing, I would

475
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Speaker 2: get into Harvard like I believe that in my mind,

476
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 2: or get in anywhere. So football wasn't do or die.

477
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Speaker 2: It was the thing I loved the most. There was

478
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Speaker 2: a disappointment though.

479
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: Going to camps where I would go and the coach

480
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 3: would be like, man, you's so good, like we love

481
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Speaker 3: your film.

482
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Speaker 2: I'd be out there.

483
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't miss it, throw the entire day like ever

484
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: before or five stars there, you know, missing missing a few,

485
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Speaker 3: thought I'm not missing. I would go in an entire

486
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 3: month of camps without one in completion, and it just

487
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Speaker 3: showed it's not always all on merit. Yeah, and it's

488
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Speaker 3: important to learn that, you know. I think as a

489
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Speaker 3: kid like it's important to do everything you can to

490
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Speaker 3: have the best merit, but there's always other factors in play.

491
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Speaker 2: And for me, I think realizing that early.

492
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Speaker 3: And still not letting that stop me from reaching my goals.

493
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Speaker 3: You know, it was a test of faith, you know

494
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Speaker 3: at that you know at that age you don't have

495
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: the perspective your dream is really all that power as

496
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: you And for me, I felt like my dream kept

497
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Speaker 3: on getting deferred.

498
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Speaker 2: But part of trusting.

499
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Speaker 3: God is gonna work out better than you even pictured

500
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Speaker 3: it for yourself.

501
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Speaker 1: But you were having the conversations about the height one

502
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Speaker 1: hundred percent. I think that's totally relatable, but it's also inspiring.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.

504
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Speaker 3: And I would always look at quarterbacks in the NFL

505
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Speaker 3: who were out performing guys who were six five there.

506
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Speaker 3: I would look at Drew Brees, who's an Austin kid.

507
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Speaker 3: You know, that's why Saints are still my team, and

508
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: then Russell Wilson, like these are guys who are either

509
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: six foot or shorter than six foot who are some

510
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: of the best quarterbacks to ever play the position. I

511
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: never knew what it was like to play at six too.

512
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: I only knew what it was to dominate at five

513
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: nine five. Uh, and so I never saw it as

514
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Speaker 3: something that was hindering me.

515
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Speaker 1: You do you think that that also made you play

516
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Speaker 1: harder and better.

517
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Speaker 3: I never played with the chip on my shoulder because

518
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Speaker 3: of the height. I just honestly, you know, I feel

519
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: like I'm a pretty genuine.

520
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: Guy or a pretty well mannered guy.

521
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Speaker 3: But it comes with like even as a little kid,

522
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: like I enjoy beating other people, like I enjoy keeping,

523
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: I enjoy keeping score, I enjoy winning, and you know,

524
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Speaker 3: I approach every aspect of my life like I'm not

525
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: measuring myself off other people. It's just like your competitive Yeah,

526
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 3: like why can I not be the best at this?

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

528
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Speaker 1: I love that. So Okay, so you're at UCLA, you're

529
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Speaker 1: killing it. But when I look at your bio, you

530
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: have all these other goals. And the one thing I

531
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: was talking to my producer with was, you know, for

532
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Speaker 1: someone that's clearly looking like they're going to the NFL,

533
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Speaker 1: it seems like, you know you're talking about getting your doctorate,

534
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: you're working on your masters right now? Correct?

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I actually I have two masters from UCLA,

536
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: so I'm surprised at all. Yeah, I'm finished with school,

537
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Speaker 2: you know, for now.

538
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Speaker 1: You have two masters already. Yes, what are they say?

539
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: The master's education? So I did that. It was a

540
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: program that worked well with the football schedule. I got

541
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: my undergraden two years, so I got my undergradden public Affairs,

542
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: so I still had four years of eligibility, so I

543
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: had to be in school. So I wanted to make

544
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: sure I did Masters that. You know, I wasn't just

545
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Speaker 3: sitting in class for football sake.

546
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Speaker 1: Did all your schooling in.

547
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: Six years, but all my undergraden too? Yeah, how I

548
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: came in with some units okap tests and then I

549
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: also real smart, bro.

550
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Speaker 3: My sister is the really really smart one. That's why

551
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: she got into Sandford straight up. But I know how

552
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: to do school well.

553
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Speaker 1: And you know how to cook well.

554
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm watching you and I appreciate. Yeah, you gotta steam, definitely,

555
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: I see.

556
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Speaker 1: I see.

557
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: I like a seer and steam.

558
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Speaker 1: You know, I should have had you make the meatballs

559
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: from scratch. I did not think he was going to

560
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 1: be this good in the kitchen.

561
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's all good. I grew up with an amazing

562
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Speaker 2: cook in the house with my mother. Whenever my father

563
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: would makesteaks, they'd be good too. He put a bunch

564
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Speaker 2: of seasons, a lot of a lot of Tony saturies.

565
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Speaker 1: You ever watch all of the videos online and they're

566
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: making the steaks and the only thing they seasoned it

567
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: with is salt and pepper.

568
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's more for health reasons. I understand,

569
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Speaker 2: you know.

570
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Speaker 3: And definitely in our community there's there's certain medical certain

571
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: medical predispositions that that we struggle with. So I do

572
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Speaker 3: understand when people are vanilla with the seasoning did s.

573
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Speaker 2: But speaking for myself, I definitely prepare. I mean I

574
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: definitely I'm a seasoning prefer for a well seasoned meal.

575
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: Now a little water.

576
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: You're about to do the sauce, yeah, season the sauce.

577
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna add the

578
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Speaker 3: sauce in directly with the pasta.

579
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Speaker 1: I know, just you know, are you a big sauce

580
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Speaker 1: guy or like a little bit of sauce?

581
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Speaker 2: I like sauce.

582
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Speaker 1: I like sauce too. Sometimes I meet people They're like,

583
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Speaker 1: why did you put so much sauce on it?

584
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I don't understand why. You know, you

585
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: can't you can't. Actually this this is what the Italians do.

586
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: They add the actual pasta water back in with the pasta.

587
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're at UCLA. You're getting all these sponsorships

588
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: are you? Are you pursuing them or they pursuing you?

589
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: Can you walk me through that?

590
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

591
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: So actually I got my first sponsorship through LinkedIn. So

592
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: any young professional, any young any young person, just make

593
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: a LinkedIn. You never know what it will lead to.

594
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: You might meet the person who gives you your first

595
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: job on there. For me, I met the person who

596
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: gave me my first endorsement, deal guy by the name

597
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: of Rob Master, who at the time he was handling

598
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: a lot of Unilever in Therefore Degrees Marketing.

599
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Unilever works closely.

600
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 3: They managed a lot of a lot of companies on

601
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: the advertisement side, but namely Degree and Degree had a

602
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: campaign with staying the Up, winning awards for it called

603
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: the Breaking Limits campaign, and in this we all told

604
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: our story. For me, I told the story as far

605
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: as you know, a lot of you know, quarterbacks my

606
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: size being overlooked, but because of the caliber player I was,

607
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, we still were successful.

608
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: You know, we were still able to get there.

609
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: I think that really catapulted my early career just because

610
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: it showcase you know, there were folks who maybe thought

611
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to get you know, all the big

612
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: deals or anything. Well, my first deal was a big deal.

613
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: My first deal is a big deal with a categorical leader.

614
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: And then early on I also had Boots, Mobile and Shell,

615
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: so I already had, you know, within my first three

616
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: to five deals.

617
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: I had three you know, marquee brands, and I.

618
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: Was able to also earn enough from those deals to

619
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: also you know, tie like as a Cristian like, I

620
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: wanted to give ten percent of all of my money

621
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: made and still want to continue that to organizations or to.

622
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Causes I care about.

623
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Speaker 3: You know, at Huddle High School, a lot of my

624
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: teammates and a lot of the community depended on the

625
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: school to eat during the day, so they would either

626
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: be on like free or reduced launch or breakfast. And

627
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to reach my goals without

628
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, my teammates are without my best friends in

629
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: my high school. And so once I had money, I

630
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that I was giving towards a

631
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: cause that helped with that. So, you know, in particular,

632
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: my biggest partner to date has been the La Regional

633
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: Food Bank Wow, and in particular their program where they

634
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: provide meals on the weekends to LAUSD school children who

635
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: depend on on freeline.

636
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: They provide the school on the weekends.

637
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: They provide meals that way, when they're not at school,

638
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: they're also able to have sesseness.

639
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know LA has a lot of homeless kids.

640
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: Definitely.

641
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: I think, you know, in working you know, with the

642
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: food bank and doing more research on how my foundation

643
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: can help, I think you sort of see like hunger

644
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: and children and homelessness and children are not things of

645
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: the past or not things of you know. Obviously it

646
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: happens in other countries, but it happens in America a

647
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: lot more common than people think. And I grew up,

648
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: you know, serving at our local serving center, and there

649
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: we had a food bank, we had a food pantry,

650
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: and I'm seeing, you know, folks where maybe it was

651
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: a teammate's mother or a friend's you know mother and father,

652
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: they're picking up food and I'm just like hey, And

653
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: then I realized, oh, my goodness, like my friend is

654
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: relying on the serving center to eat. And you know,

655
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the time when you come from household

656
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: like mine, where you know, I was blessed to have a

657
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: mother who enjoyed cooking every night. You sort of you

658
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: don't realize that people, It's not a far away issue.

659
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Speaker 3: Food and security is something that affects people that.

660
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Speaker 2: You know right now and that you care about right now.

661
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Wow, when you got your first sponsorship deal and you

662
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Speaker 1: started getting these sponsorship deals, how did you conduct? How

663
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: did you negotiate? How did or how did who played

664
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Speaker 1: a hand? Was it you?

665
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Speaker 3: It was really just my father and I the whole way. Really,

666
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: I was self repped, and I wanted to stay self

667
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: repped just because I felt like nobody could tell my

668
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: story like mine. And I also enjoyed the process. I enjoyed,

669
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, making first contact with the company. I enjoyed,

670
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: you know.

671
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Making the first contact or them reaching out.

672
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: To their way. You did it in the way either way.

673
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes I would be at an event and I'd

674
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: be speaking and a CMO would be there and chief

675
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: marketing officer and they would be like, we really love

676
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: your story, we really love how you're able to present

677
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: a brand and present yourself.

678
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: Let's find a way to work.

679
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: And you know, as a creative, as someone who loves

680
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: music and loves film.

681
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: You know, I really enjoyed the creative process.

682
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: So in all of my fifty plus brand deals, for

683
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: the vast majority of them, I was creating the creative

684
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: or I was working with their creative director to creative

685
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: and then I was creating a shot list and the

686
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: interests of time where you know, initially my first shoots

687
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: took three four hours. It's like, no, if I spend

688
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: two hours ahead of time working on shot list, the

689
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: shoot turns into an hour match and it provides more

690
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: you know, vision as far as for the final product.

691
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: With my with my videographer editor of choice. Yeah, so

692
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: I really found my way.

693
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: Where did you get the media part of the background

694
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: a game?

695
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: My father he's worked in media, and then what does

696
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: he do in media though on the production side.

697
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I also I just have a

698
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: I've always loved movies like.

699
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: My town.

700
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: Of course, we could go to downtown, but the nearest

701
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: place that was sort of like my haven that I

702
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: spent my time was the movie theater. So I would

703
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: I would, you know, we'd have our games on Friday

704
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: night and on Saturday, I'd love to go to the movies.

705
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes I would go with friends, but Honestly, I love

706
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: going to the movies by myself.

707
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: I just I just love the actual movies.

708
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that.

709
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no I sometimes I don't realize that. You know,

710
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't do that.

711
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: But I've always enjoyed it, and I've all enjoyed movies,

712
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: and so to be able to do productions and to

713
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, sort of world build in a way with

714
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: primarily the brand's key performance indicators in mind, I think,

715
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: you know, being able to create value out of art

716
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: is one of the most beautiful and rewarding things.

717
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: So you have a degree in education. Yeah, are we

718
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: almost down to you sitting with me?

719
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

720
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: I know. Let's get him on the other mics. Nobody

721
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: likes the live mics and production. Really, no one does.

722
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: If you're an audio person, the live mics are like

723
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: your enemy, and then these mics are your friends. Yeah,

724
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: they'll complain on the other side real quick. But all right,

725
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Didn't mean to derail you.

726
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh no worry.

727
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: So you you're doing all these deals with brands, and

728
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: this is in twenty twenty one, This is like three

729
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: years since twenty one, right, So this is becoming your

730
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: actual revenue stream. Yes, yes, and you're now running a

731
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: business of your own and your dad is watching his

732
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: son go to school and like have enough business to

733
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: even tie, Like, yeah, you're starting tie.

734
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: It was great just because you know, I think definitely

735
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: there's a perspective shift once you start making money.

736
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: What do you say that perspective shift is.

737
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a sort of confidence that comes

738
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 3: from what I'm doing is creating value, not just for others,

739
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: but also for me. And that's one of the best

740
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: part about athletes being able to capture on the revenue

741
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: they create. It's like we've been value creators forever. We

742
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: just haven't been able to capture on the.

743
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: Entire part of the value.

744
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Of course, we've been able to get to school, but

745
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: you know, there's just so much more. Frankly, if you're

746
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: helping someone make money, I think you should, you know,

747
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: for taken in a share of that revenue.

748
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.

749
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: We were barred from that, you know, for a long time.

750
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: And when I first got to UCLA, that's how things were.

751
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: Now in twenty twenty one one, aspect changed a bit

752
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: name image and likeness, where we were able to do

753
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: endorsements and things like that.

754
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: But you know this coust that changed.

755
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: There were a sleuve cases, so it was primarily on

756
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: the legal side.

757
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: One of the one of.

758
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: The biggest heroes in the history of I think college

759
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 3: athletic rights is Ed Obannon, a former Brewin Nate Smith

760
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: Player of the Year, national champion. So shout out at Obannon.

761
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: But he had sued the nc DOUBA for utilizing his name,

762
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: image and likeness and the NCAA EA Sports basketball game

763
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: and so that's why they had to stop producing that

764
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: game because they weren't paying the athletes air affair share.

765
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: Now they brought him that I'm older. He wasn't fresh

766
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: out of college. It was a little bit later, but

767
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: that was and he was ostracized for it, even by

768
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: the Brewin community. I know.

769
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: It was really a shame. Now we've taken steps to

770
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: welcome by. I still don't think he's received the glory

771
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: that he deserves for the stand he took.

772
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: That's literally changed the trajectory forever and changed, don't feels being.

773
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, every every chance I get, I try to sing

774
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: his phrases.

775
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's worked very hard. Have you ever met

776
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: him or no?

777
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: But you know there there there will be a day

778
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: in time for that absolutely.

779
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: So, so that was what the start of it, and

780
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: then what happened after that.

781
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: So after that, there were a slew of other cases,

782
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: most namely Austin versus NCAA, which in twenty twenty twenty

783
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: one called in to question the anti trust exemption that

784
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: the NCAA has. The reason why the NCAA has been okay,

785
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: the reason that NCAA has been able to act the

786
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: way that it does is it's had anti trust exemption. So,

787
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, policies that aren't really in accordance with other

788
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: aspects of the American economy, they're able to operate, you know,

789
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: in their own sort of set of rules.

790
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: That's how you have unpaid work.

791
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Basically, as far as the Austin versus NCAA case, it

792
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: called in to question that anti trust and the NCAA

793
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: saw the riding on the wall and so they started

794
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: rolling back their restrictions. You know, in twenty twenty one,

795
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: they rolled back their restriction on athletes capitalizing on and

796
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: exercising their name, image and likeness rights and then now

797
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: revenue share. Because of House versus Day, there was a

798
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: settlement where around two and a half billion dollars will

799
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: be paid to athletes from twenty twenty and on and

800
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: then because of this settlement and because of this precedent,

801
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: now athletes from revenue generating sports are going to be

802
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: getting paid every single year.

803
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: But is there any for any of the previous.

804
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: So there's some back pay and I'll definitely capitalize on

805
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: that chance.

806
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Do you Oh, you're gonna pray over it all?

807
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: Got you got you do? You got a waitingness this morning?

808
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: Giving us this food, please ud be nourishment to our

809
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: bodies and thank you for giving us this opportunity to

810
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, spread your platform in your son Jesus name.

811
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Man, Amen, appreciate. I just saw King of Kings in

812
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: the movie theater.

813
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: Last How was it?

814
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: It was good? I don't know, because like I read

815
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: the Bible when I was like twenty nine. Okay, I'm

816
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: raised Jewish. Jews don't really talk about Jesus.

817
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: It's a different perspective, like how you put it.

818
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: But you know, because I know it's so well now,

819
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see it play out. Have you just

820
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: signed out before we Your food is great. By the way,

821
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: there's a book series called Jean Edwards, A Tale of

822
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: three Kings Prison and the Third telf. He does like

823
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: this fictionized perspective of what like John the Baptist went

824
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: through or King David went through.

825
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: But it's like a David's second best story in a Bible.

826
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: When I say, I promise you these books are like

827
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: two three hour reads, but you will read them and

828
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: you will be like it just I don't know. It

829
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: gives you like a feeling of kind of like their

830
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: emotional like what they were processing in their like feelings

831
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: that I think the Bible does a really good job.

832
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: But I think to like carry the weight of like

833
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: being Jesus's cousin and knowing he's healing people and you

834
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: you about to get your head chopped of, you know,

835
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: like to kind of go through that that feeling in

836
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: those motions or whatever. Anyways, watching the King David The

837
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: Kings of King's movie, I did feel like it's interesting

838
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: after like reading the Bible to see these different perspectives.

839
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: But I did think about the Geen Edwards series a

840
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: lot while I was watching the movie, like, damn, I

841
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: would love to see them do a movie based on

842
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: the Gene Edwards series.

843
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, the religious movies are hit

844
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: or missed with me, but they're always fascinating.

845
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: You know.

846
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: I think part of the beauty of religion and faith

847
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: is it is so personally like it is subjective as

848
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: far as your walk with God.

849
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: Can't I can't judge somebody else.

850
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: No, no, but sitting here with you, I just got

851
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: an idea. I was like, we should only do a

852
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: Geen Edwards series. You should read the book, should read

853
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: the books. I'll order them and amazon them to you

854
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: or whatever. And and then since you're into media, you

855
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: could be like, yo, I think we should do this

856
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: project because there are so many like projects that are

857
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of like off. You look at the Chronicles of

858
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: Narnia and all of those guys. You know, they do

859
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: do these perspectives. But if you read the Gene Edwards books,

860
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: to me, I just feel like it just captures like

861
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: a whole different embodiment of like walk with them. Like damn,

862
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: that is a difficult situation to be it, you know.

863
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: That's why you know, the story of David to me

864
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: is just just fascinating.

865
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: Like the Bible is far from boring. It's got some

866
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: of the you know, the messiest characters.

867
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: Is the first time I read it I was like,

868
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: there was like, what's in there? I said, incests, right, murder,

869
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot of crazy stuff.

870
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: It's got the gambit as far as you know the

871
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: darkest parts of humanity, but also you know the best

872
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: parts of God.

873
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, your food is delicious. I said you could cook

874
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: and I was watching you salt and I was like,

875
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: we go see it came out good.

876
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: It's gonna be seasoned. Absolutely. I grew up watching the

877
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: best in my mother.

878
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So from an outsider looking in, you would assume

879
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: that based on everything you've said, you would you would

880
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: be looking towards going into the NFL definitely. But then

881
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: you read your resume and there's a pivot in there.

882
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: So I want to know what's going on.

883
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now I work in finance.

884
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 3: I work at a pension endowment fund called University California Investments.

885
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: And Pension Endowments.

886
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: So when you think about four one ks, it's not

887
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: just magical black box that you're putting a piece of

888
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: your paycheck into.

889
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: It's literally what I think.

890
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's somebody managing that account, and that's what

891
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: a pension is. So we managed on behalf of University

892
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: of California Office of the President.

893
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: And also, you know all of our.

894
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: Pensioners, which are primarily University of California employees.

895
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: Does that mean you decide where that money is invested,

896
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: like with stocks and bonds.

897
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: Or precisely so they're interesting. You know our team with

898
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: creating returns and protecting that wealth and then also providing

899
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: you money to the schools whenever they needed.

900
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Now what made you get into that line of work?

901
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: I met our chief investment officer a few years ago

902
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: speaking out in event. I think he was a keynote

903
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: that was one of the panels, and I was just like,

904
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: what is University of California investments?

905
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: I didn't even really know about it.

906
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: I think I had some good business acumen. I've invested

907
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: almost all the dollars I've made from NIO.

908
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: Very serious. Yeah, you didn't buy like a bunch of

909
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Jordans with it.

910
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we're Jordan's school, so I got some ones. Yeah,

911
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 2: oh yeah, thank god.

912
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: But I meant like, you didn't blow any of it

913
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: on anything.

914
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: So when I got to school, I sort of set

915
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: my spending habits I lived off of and you know,

916
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: I hate asking anybody for money, so like, I just

917
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: lived off of the money I was getting from the

918
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: school off of my scholarship, our cost of living, and

919
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: our rent was paid for all of that. So I

920
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: just continued that, you know, all the way through my career,

921
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: and I sort of looked at my NIO money a surplus.

922
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: I'd give away, you know, a portion of it and

923
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: then the rest I'm investing for the future.

924
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: And did you invest with this firm or no?

925
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: So I invested, you know, personally, just within you know,

926
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: a regular brokerage account.

927
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: So did you learn that early on.

928
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: Stocks and all that, I'd say early on compared to

929
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: most you know, I've been investing since I started making money.

930
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: But that's you started making later.

931
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably. I wasn't investing as a kid. I

932
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: didn't have money as a kid.

933
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: Well where did you learn how to invest?

934
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: Really from experiencing?

935
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Then my father he's you know, he's always had a

936
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: broker's account, and then he was just telling me the

937
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: money that are now, like I should invest it just

938
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: because the multiple, the earlier you invest, that multiple just

939
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: continues to ac crew. It's like having my own personal

940
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: sort of retirement or down payment for a house.

941
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: Or you know, rainy day fund.

942
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: I really look at it as my primary savings account.

943
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that. So where did the pivot from

944
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, your trajectories to say, I don't know

945
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: if I want to do the NFL anymore.

946
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

947
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: So, you know, early on in my career at UCLA,

948
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: I played more and I played really well, especially in

949
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty season.

950
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: But over the course of my career, you.

951
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: Know, depending on whether it be you know, injuries or

952
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: you know, more pertinent just coaching decisions, I sort of

953
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: saw like, if I wanted to play, I was going

954
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: to have to transfer. If I wanted to play, you know,

955
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: the amount of time I wanted to play, I was

956
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: going to have the transfer.

957
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: And that was something that was weighing on my mind.

958
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: But I also saw you know, the upside on what

959
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: I was doing on the media side, the upside and

960
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: being LA on the sports media side, and then you know,

961
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: started to build that relationship with University of California and

962
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: felt like I was really building a professional home for myself.

963
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: You know.

964
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: All that being said, I think if I was you know,

965
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: chasing the dream one hundred percent, I probably would have transferred.

966
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: But I'm not happy. I mean, I'm not you know,

967
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: unhappy with how it turned out. Like, I'm very grateful

968
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: I still have my health, my mind, my capability of thinking,

969
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 3: and those are things you really can't take for granted

970
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: when it comes to, you know, everything that football has

971
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: done for me.

972
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as a as a mom and a woman,

973
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: my fear would be if like my son went to football,

974
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: because I did you ever watch the Netflix documentary It

975
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: was like on I think football players and their money, Yeah,

976
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: I mean.

977
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: What my business?

978
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think my mother probably

979
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: was praying over me every single.

980
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: Play, you know, so she did talk about it a

981
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: little bit percent.

982
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: And you know that that'll be a conversation for my mother,

983
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: my father, and my little brother just because he's getting

984
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: to the age where he'll probably start playing tackle football,

985
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, more regularly.

986
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I feel like in the back of my

987
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: mind as mom, that's that's a be like of all.

988
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Dreams one hundred percent.

989
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean, and like I know the amount of injuries.

990
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: I know, the amount of like just being hurt, whether

991
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 3: it be emostly like the spiritually drained and then especially

992
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: physically like you just is a culture where you got

993
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: to play through it. And I think that's a skill

994
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: set one hundred percent. But I also think, you know,

995
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: as a parent, you you may think twice as far

996
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: as you know, pushing a child into that. I don't

997
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: have kids, so I don't really know my perspective on that,

998
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: but I know watching my brother out there play, I

999
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: will definitely you know, be helping, you know, each play

1000
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: he just gets up the same way that he started

1001
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: that play, because that's.

1002
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: That's something that's when you're watching.

1003
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Him, you know.

1004
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: For for myself, you know, I mean, yeah, it's like

1005
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: I've definitely have my bell rung. I've definitely been hit,

1006
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: and it's like next week you've not seen the same

1007
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: way out your left eye. But it's also myself, like

1008
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: I it's something that I love and something that I

1009
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: accept the risk doing it. But when it's somebody else

1010
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: that you love, you know, there's sort of a different

1011
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: aspect included.

1012
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: So what's the end goal?

1013
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: So if I were to say what I want to

1014
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: really do in generalized terms is build generational wealth early,

1015
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: I think like that there's a lot of work that's

1016
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 3: gone in for generations, generations to get me to where.

1017
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm at now.

1018
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 3: And God has you know, done all the heavy lifting.

1019
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: I think it's really just about taking advantage of opportunities now,

1020
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: So continue to learn, continue to recognize my weakness and

1021
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: play to my strengths, and then you know, going to

1022
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: public service and philanthropy, whether it be you know, holding

1023
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: elected office one day. I just want to be able

1024
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: to affect change with a platform that I've been afforded.

1025
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: And you know, as I.

1026
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: A crew more and more wealth, I can be better

1027
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: in my scale as far as philanthropy, and then do

1028
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: all of that while maintaining my faith. If I do that,

1029
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: you know, I know, you know what, whatever sort of

1030
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: struggles or whatever is next for me, whether you know

1031
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: it be a future family or things like that, I'll

1032
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: be you know, well prepared for that.

1033
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Are you super goal oriented at home?

1034
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: So?

1035
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: I think my parents set a lot of goals for

1036
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: their children, and I think every good parents should.

1037
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: For me.

1038
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 3: I'm not the biggest planner. I'm more, you know, evaluate

1039
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: what the opportunity is and just work the best at that.

1040
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: Something will come out of that. That's sort of where

1041
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: my trust in God comes, just because I feel like

1042
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 3: trying to say how things are going to be five

1043
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: years from now is Vain's vain.

1044
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know as.

1045
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: A person, but what about like a year out a year?

1046
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: What I mean?

1047
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: I think setting goals is definitely good and I think

1048
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: for some For me, my goal is just each and

1049
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: every day, like what's on the calendar.

1050
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to be so good on this

1051
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: like that. That's sort of how my mindset is. And

1052
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: you know, I'll look down the calendar a little bit.

1053
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: But part of being really busy is you got to

1054
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: take it day by day because if you have four

1055
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: or five meetings, you know three of them are three

1056
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: completely different things. You have to be able to sort

1057
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: of disassociate and lock back in on certain things. You

1058
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: can't be thinking about what's happening down the line when

1059
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: when you're there, you'll be prepared for it.

1060
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I find myself counting ours, Like if you're ever hanging

1061
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: out with me, go and you'll be like what are

1062
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: you doing? And I'll be like, I'm counting ours because

1063
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: I count. Yeah, I'm constantly counting, like how long does

1064
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: it take? To my girlfriends? We went to a birthday

1065
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: dinner and one of my friends was like, what is

1066
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: something that you've you know, you've done it. You'll be

1067
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: proud of. I was like, I have no idea. I'm

1068
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: stayingful for my friends. And they were like, yo, your

1069
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: time management is in back of oh, And I was

1070
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: like time management And then I started thinking to my

1071
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: dad was like, yo, nobody you call it four o

1072
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: two and you say where are you gonna be at

1073
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: four or three tomorrow? She'll know exactly where and how

1074
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: long it takes. And I didn't know. I've become like

1075
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: anly obsessed over how long.

1076
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: Down to Yeah, I think that's the coolest part about

1077
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: you know, sports, It's like you have to be regimented

1078
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: by nature. I've been you know, doing twelve for you know,

1079
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: fourteen hour work days between sports and school since I

1080
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: was you know, since I was like six or seven,

1081
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 3: you know, I would go to school, then I would

1082
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: train after them homework. It's like after by then, do

1083
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: you did a twelve hour work day in your.

1084
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: Seventh That was gonna be my next question is like,

1085
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: what's the day in the life of you right now?

1086
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1087
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: So for now, Like I always try to start my mornings,

1088
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, started out immediately with prayer and then you know,

1089
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: some type of music. I love sending verses out to

1090
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: people so I always send it. There's a small group

1091
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: of people. I send it on one.

1092
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Of those I get friends that do the DM.

1093
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not blowing up in boxes. It'll be just

1094
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: you know, one or two you know, quick verses. Yeah,

1095
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's really whatever verse I was going to read,

1096
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: I'll just share with other people. And you know, there's

1097
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: some folks that really enjoy that. And then you know,

1098
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: after that, I try to get a workout in, you know,

1099
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: whether it be you know, running or lifting.

1100
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: And how long is that? Like an hour?

1101
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep it to thirty minutes, thirty minutes. Yeah,

1102
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: I'm passing like your I'm past.

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Speaker 3: I'm past the two and a half hour you know,

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Speaker 3: workout blocks of football. I'm not trying to impress anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I start out with some cardios, then you know, do

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Speaker 3: three or four core lifts, you know, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: finished with some cardio and I'm in.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, I'll tend to have like my.

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Speaker 3: First meeting around like ten or eleven, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll do a few meetings and I take take an

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Speaker 3: hour for lunch. Maybe you know, practice on you know,

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Speaker 3: either do music or practice on a skill set and

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Speaker 3: then you know, I have my afternoon meetings, which is

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Speaker 3: normally like one or two, especially since we're on the

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Speaker 3: West Coast, a lot of the meetings are in the

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Speaker 3: morning because that's early afternoon for New York and abroad.

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Speaker 2: Well, I like that.

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Speaker 1: And then the weekends are off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, honestly, for weekends, I spend a lot

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Speaker 3: of time on music. That's sort of like my recharge time.

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Speaker 3: Even during football, like when we were out of season,

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Speaker 3: that would be when I'd go to the studio, like

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Speaker 3: because studio sessions go from like yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they never have windows. Yeah, never wonder you walk outside,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's like the casino. I don't want you to

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Speaker 3: know this daytime.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for spending time with me

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Speaker 1: today and feeding me. Truly an honor to sit with you.

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Speaker 2: No, I really enjoyed it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: If food was good, I appreciate the appreciate the ingredients,

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00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: camera coop was good, and went forward to watching the

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Speaker 3: Send it to my family.

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Speaker 1: You better the parents. Shout out to the parents.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Really really thankful for all the work you did with Chase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you he's up, guys. Peace for more. Eating while

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