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Speaker 1: the episode. Well, Hello, Hello, how are you man?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I am well, Actually I am surprised
Speaker 2: you call. I was listening. I heard you say holy shit,
Speaker 2: and here I go.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so I got a message. So for some
Speaker 1: context to those who are listening. I got a text
Speaker 1: on the geck line from you saying, Hey, I'm the
Speaker 1: bounty hunter that ran over the rocks, almost crashing while
Speaker 1: listening to you. So context to that. There was this
Speaker 1: video that I kept getting tagged in on Instagram and
Speaker 1: TikTok of a dude who like crashes his car running
Speaker 1: over a bunch of rocks and like it's some like
Speaker 1: viral car crash video and in the car he's listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast and I wouldn't. I don't know where
Speaker 1: people could go to watch this video or what they
Speaker 1: can google. But anyways, I kept getting tags in this
Speaker 1: video and now I'm talking to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's super dope. So I posted it on
Speaker 2: my Instagram because I run a small channel of all
Speaker 2: the downy hunts that I do kind of like Patty
Speaker 2: Mayo but real stuff. Uh, And so I was out
Speaker 2: hunting for a person listening to your podcast. It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: probably one in the morning, pitch Black taking a canyon
Speaker 2: on the way home, and these rocks jumped out from nowhere,
Speaker 2: and ironically the best timing was after I crashed over them.
Speaker 2: You said, and that's the best you can do, and
Speaker 2: that's how it ended. I was like, well, that's the
Speaker 2: best I can do right there.
Speaker 1: Now, I got to say this in the video, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where we'll put it. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll link it in the episode description or something. But
Speaker 1: in this video it kind of look. You got a
Speaker 1: lot of negative comments on the video because here I did.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like you crashed the car on purpose.
Speaker 2: Well, hear me out, So here's what happened. So I
Speaker 2: just spent the entire day, maybe eighteen hours, searching for
Speaker 2: this guy, and I did catch him, but after that
Speaker 2: it was really late coming back. And my defense is
Speaker 2: the camera, in my defense, sees better than my visions
Speaker 2: long because it was dark and my headlights weren't that great,
Speaker 2: and we were coming around to curve and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's the rock. But you're right. People
Speaker 2: commented on that video and it was just NonStop negative,
Speaker 2: negative pitches.
Speaker 1: Now really quick, I gotta say this. What's your name?
Speaker 2: My name's Jamie.
Speaker 1: Jamie. It sounds like you're driving right.
Speaker 2: Now, ironically I am.
Speaker 1: Are we about to see another video online of you
Speaker 1: talking to me while you grash your car?
Speaker 2: Know. I was actually on my way to work. I
Speaker 2: do another job at night as well, so I'm on
Speaker 2: my way to work right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what's this channel that you do? Because I
Speaker 1: didn't look through the whole channel. I just saw this
Speaker 1: one video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the channel you can find it on Instagram
Speaker 2: and all the other platforms. It's the same thing. It's
Speaker 2: it's a bounty vault, like a vault of bounties, but
Speaker 2: it's a bounty vault.
Speaker 1: And what do you what exactly does it mean to
Speaker 1: be a bounty hunter?
Speaker 2: Uh So what I do is, I am I'm gonna
Speaker 2: park real quick because I got like fifteen minutes I can.
Speaker 1: That is a good idea.
Speaker 2: Well let's see, let me get parked real quick.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a du You're gonna get a dug
Speaker 1: driving under the influence.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: All right, So on parts for safe Now. So what
Speaker 2: a bounty hunter is the it is the coined term
Speaker 2: for someone that is a bail enforcement agent. And so
Speaker 2: what my job is is someone goes to jail they
Speaker 2: can't afford the full Say your bail is ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and you can't drop ten thousand or your family can't.
Speaker 2: You can go to a bail bondsman in most states
Speaker 2: and they will charge you ten percent of that whole bond,
Speaker 2: and the bondsman guarantees of the court under their bond
Speaker 2: that you will go to court. But if you fail
Speaker 2: to appear, then they send someone like me after you
Speaker 2: and I will return you to jail so you can
Speaker 2: go to court, and that way the bondsman doesn't have
Speaker 2: to pay that ten grand.
Speaker 1: Okay, what kinds of things are these people accused of doing?
Speaker 2: Oh? Everything under the sun. You have everything from your
Speaker 2: basic driving under the influence from you in marijuana or alcohol,
Speaker 2: all the way up to your really heinous crimes where
Speaker 2: you get your murder and child related crime. You know,
Speaker 2: some real real piece of crap people, all the way
Speaker 2: down to the your innocent like didn't know better and
Speaker 2: got caught up on a bad day.
Speaker 1: Now tell me when you encounter these people, when you
Speaker 1: finally find them, how do you get them to come
Speaker 1: with you? Do you have like a little like one
Speaker 1: of those James Bond net gun things.
Speaker 2: It depends. Some of these people I have a rapport with.
Speaker 2: I've arrested them five, six, seven times, So I just
Speaker 2: knock on their door and they're like, I say hi,
Speaker 2: and they're like hi. I'm like, get in the car,
Speaker 2: and get in the car. But these people, you know,
Speaker 2: we have to find them. Just recently, I found a
Speaker 2: guy hiding inside a closet under a pile of clothes.
Speaker 2: And the way I found them was, of course, I
Speaker 2: was digging through the closet and I see an arm
Speaker 2: that wasn't buried very well. So I told him to
Speaker 2: show me and showed me his hands. He didn't want to,
Speaker 2: so he ended up tased. It took three of us
Speaker 2: to take him down, but the taser ended up finishing
Speaker 2: the fight.
Speaker 1: Now, m would you say you have a rapport with
Speaker 1: these people? So are those people who you've literally rested
Speaker 1: five times and when they see you, they're like, yep,
Speaker 1: do they not? How do I mean? After five Here's
Speaker 1: the thing though, Okay, after five times, is it like
Speaker 1: they've been sentenced and released five different times over the
Speaker 1: course of however many years.
Speaker 2: No, this is so let's say that's the simplest one.
Speaker 2: A d u y. You go to jail and you
Speaker 2: get bailed out on duy. You just never went to
Speaker 2: court to go deal with your charge. So then I
Speaker 2: go pok, you back up, and then your family fails
Speaker 2: you out again on the same exact charge, and you're
Speaker 2: just waiting to go to court, and then you miss again,
Speaker 2: and then I show up, and then you miss again,
Speaker 2: and then I show up and there's just a rinse
Speaker 2: lather repeat the situation. For some of these people, they
Speaker 2: don't know why do you they out but they don't
Speaker 2: want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they don't just like show up
Speaker 1: for what I mean, if they know that they're going
Speaker 1: to get caught, why do you think they keep missing
Speaker 1: the court date?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's you know, the whole
Speaker 2: play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Some of these people
Speaker 2: just they don't go. I don't understand it. There's some
Speaker 2: people that they're court They literally have court the next
Speaker 2: day after we bail them out, and I'm showing up
Speaker 2: in two days after bailing them out because they chose
Speaker 2: not to go to court the next day and they
Speaker 2: could have been the whole situation.
Speaker 1: How long you been doing this for I've been doing
Speaker 1: it five years. And what were you doing before before that?
Speaker 2: I was a school security guard as well as a
Speaker 2: US Navy reservist.
Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, which of these things has been the most difficulty.
Speaker 2: Schools out of all of it? Dealing with the adolescent
Speaker 2: children that hormones are pulsing through and them not wanting
Speaker 2: to listen.
Speaker 1: Why what made you want to go into this line
Speaker 1: of work where you have to, like, you know, handle
Speaker 1: people who are fucking off?
Speaker 2: Well, I would be lying if I didn't say that. Again,
Speaker 2: I speak adrenaline. It is definitely an adrenaline rush to
Speaker 2: to go after people. My big thing. When I was
Speaker 2: looking at it, ironically, I was watching like Patty Mayo,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can do that, and then
Speaker 2: I googled him and then I realized he wasn't real,
Speaker 2: and so I went and figured out how to do
Speaker 2: it in my own state, because each state has their
Speaker 2: own licensing requirements, and my state has some pretty strict ones.
Speaker 2: So I got licensed, and luckily I have a lot
Speaker 2: of contacts in town, and I just started doing it.
Speaker 1: Would you ever want to do something else? Would you
Speaker 1: ever get tired of this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a good question. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: decide if this is what I want to stick with
Speaker 2: for the next twenty years, because I'm thirty now, and
Speaker 2: I'd like to retire, to retire when I'm fifty, And
Speaker 2: that all comes down to how much income I can
Speaker 2: put away in a retirement account, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can sustain that.
Speaker 1: How much can you make finding people under clothes and closets?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, it depends on a good year. You can
Speaker 2: make one hundred grand. On an average year, you can
Speaker 2: make fifty sixty grand a year.
Speaker 1: What are you operating out of?
Speaker 2: I operate out of Washington State.
Speaker 1: Oh cool man. Now, have you ever gotten into trouble?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to jail or anything like that?
Speaker 2: Nope. I am a goodie two shoe. I don't like
Speaker 2: breaking rules, and I don't think i'd survive in jail
Speaker 2: now because I've put people there.
Speaker 1: Would it be hot? Would you like run into a
Speaker 1: guy who you put in jail and he would just
Speaker 1: fuck you up?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, if I didn't have I know, I know
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu, I know how to handle myself. But if
Speaker 2: he's got a little poffe and he can outnumber me,
Speaker 2: he's got me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I talked to a bounding hunter before I met one
Speaker 1: in one of my interview sessions that I do out
Speaker 1: in the real world. And uh, he was actually a
Speaker 1: born again Christian who had had previously led, like I guess,
Speaker 1: a life of crime and is now yea is now
Speaker 1: putting other people in jail. He said he was complete.
Speaker 1: He and he told me something. He said it was
Speaker 1: complicated because he felt bad for some of the people
Speaker 1: he was putting away because he used to do some
Speaker 1: of that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I saw I know a video, a
Speaker 2: video your talking thought on wants to do one of
Speaker 2: the highlights on YouTube. And uh, what I can tell
Speaker 2: you you can absolutely we have a felony, you can
Speaker 2: you can be a previous criminal as long as you
Speaker 2: can put that life behind you, and as long as
Speaker 2: depending on how heinous your crimes were, you can you
Speaker 2: can still become a bail bondsman or a bail enforcement agent.
Speaker 2: You just have to make sure you can maintain your
Speaker 2: gun right, because if you have your gun rights taken away,
Speaker 2: you can't be a bondsman at all, at least not
Speaker 2: in Washington.
Speaker 1: Do you have a family, I do, well, what kind
Speaker 1: of family?
Speaker 2: Oh, it is a very complicated situation. So I am
Speaker 2: a single dad to two children that are not my
Speaker 2: blood children. But I didn't adopt them either. Their their
Speaker 2: mom is not one hundred percent the best. And that's
Speaker 2: the most I'll say on stream in case she ever
Speaker 2: hears this. But reality is her kids now live with me.
Speaker 2: Mom's in the picture when it looks good for her.
Speaker 2: So I take care of two kids, and then I
Speaker 2: have six cats and three dogs.
Speaker 1: You take care of six kids.
Speaker 2: No, six cats, two kids.
Speaker 1: Two cats and six kids. That's still that's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that need you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's true. My life is nonsought chaos, and
Speaker 2: I don't know when I sleep. Sometimes I sleep, sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Does that suck? Are you happy with that?
Speaker 2: I'm happy with my children that they've brought a lot
Speaker 2: of joy to me that I didn't know was available
Speaker 2: until I entered that world. Everything I do, every little
Speaker 2: bit of money I make, goes towards their success. My
Speaker 2: life priorities have changed to better their lives. Hold that
Speaker 2: I have a fifteen and a half year old and
Speaker 2: a nine year old.
Speaker 1: Fifteen and a half and you're thirty. Yep, interesting there,
Speaker 1: and they are your I'm sorry, can you re explain
Speaker 1: that situation that you were explaining?
Speaker 2: Sure? So I'm into older girls, and so their mom
Speaker 2: is like thirty six, thirty seven, and I'm into their mom.
Speaker 2: And when we broke up, unfortunately, I learned a lot
Speaker 2: about her that wasn't beneficial for the kids. There was
Speaker 2: some hoarding situations and not safe living environments, and so
Speaker 2: we drifted apart, and as a result, her kids stayed
Speaker 2: with me because I'm the one that ask to clean
Speaker 2: house the bedrooms available for them. I have a safe
Speaker 2: living space.
Speaker 1: Whoa, And like, so legally are they are? They? Are
Speaker 1: they legally your children? Now?
Speaker 2: Legally no, So I still have to have mom's consent
Speaker 2: to do a lot of things. We're working towards. Uh,
Speaker 2: we're working towards getting a split custody and that where
Speaker 2: where Mom's gonna at least assign me like fifty percent guardianship.
Speaker 2: We don't know. I don't know how that all works yet,
Speaker 2: but we're moms open to it. And and then and
Speaker 2: so we still communicate. We do a lot better as
Speaker 2: friends than we did as a couple.
Speaker 1: So they primarily stay with you. Yep, WHOA, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a lot so like damn, So they were with
Speaker 1: their mom and then how long you been with your
Speaker 1: how long have you been in that woman's life, for.
Speaker 2: I have been in their life for nine years.
Speaker 1: Whoa, all right, so nine years ago and that and
Speaker 1: one of the kids is nine, yes, all right, so
Speaker 1: you've been there their whole life. So you're like a
Speaker 1: step dad, but you're not married to the wife.
Speaker 2: Yep. It's a very weird situation, unfortunately, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of trauma to the kids
Speaker 2: of why the the family kind of dynamic is the
Speaker 2: way it is. There is a middle child that was
Speaker 2: murdered by the second baby daddy. Now, so there used yeah,
Speaker 2: there used to be three kids, and mom was always
Speaker 2: into the bad boys. And unfortunately, while she was at work,
Speaker 2: the dad of the of my youngest right now, his
Speaker 2: dad ended up murdering the middle time.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, how old was kid?
Speaker 2: He so he was in the wombs bill and so
Speaker 2: he he doesn't know, he knows nothing of this trauma.
Speaker 2: But the youngest child, she was, I want to say,
Speaker 2: she was just barely three when she when she passed m.
Speaker 1: Man so so all right, So yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: gonna wonder, I was kind of wondering, what's up with
Speaker 1: these kids' dads? All right? So there were three kids,
Speaker 1: and then one of them was killed by the second
Speaker 1: baby daddy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the oldest kid, the fifteen year old, where's
Speaker 1: his dad?
Speaker 2: Her dad hung himself off a bridge two years ago,
Speaker 2: and it is no longer is no longer in the situation.
Speaker 2: That's why I when that happened, I vowed to the
Speaker 2: kids that I wasn't going to be the male figure
Speaker 2: that left them for the third time.
Speaker 1: Jeez man, So you really, I mean, so these kids
Speaker 1: were just in in just totally fucked situations, and you
Speaker 1: decided to step in and uh and and yeah be
Speaker 1: their father figure.
Speaker 2: Yep, I wanted to step in. And I mean it's
Speaker 2: it started out with like I was just totally into
Speaker 2: their mom. I mean, you know, midget mom, goodbod. I
Speaker 2: was totally into it. And then all this started happening.
Speaker 2: And the oldest told me, she was like, don't ever
Speaker 2: leave me because I have nothing else. And so I
Speaker 2: made a vow that I was never going to leave her.
Speaker 2: And the youngest he knows nothing but me, and so
Speaker 2: I don't want to put him through unnecessary trauma.
Speaker 1: How old was was the was the daughter when when
Speaker 1: she said that.
Speaker 2: To you, she was thirteen, just a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Man, hmmm, and how is how is everything going? Like
Speaker 1: how often do they get to see their mom versus
Speaker 1: seeing you? Like, what's what's the custody kind of look like?
Speaker 2: Right now they see their mom. So Mom can come
Speaker 2: see them whenever she wants, and I'll take them to
Speaker 2: her as well. Mom is actually going to see is
Speaker 2: taking the oldest on a road trip this weekend. The
Speaker 2: oldest is going to be in one of her weddings,
Speaker 2: so she's the oldest is reconnecting with her with her
Speaker 2: biological father's side family, and she got asked to be
Speaker 2: the bride, one of the bridesmaids for a wedding in
Speaker 2: the family. So she's going to be taking a road
Speaker 2: trip to go up there with Mom.
Speaker 1: So I would say, Mom, I thought I thought the
Speaker 1: biological dad hung himself.
Speaker 2: He did, but on that on on biological dad's family side,
Speaker 2: the oldest is reconnecting with his side of the family,
Speaker 2: so her aunt's uncles on his side. And so she's
Speaker 2: learning all these connections and wanting to explore that side
Speaker 2: of her life that she never got to.
Speaker 1: Was were you ever married to this woman?
Speaker 2: It was going to be and then we started taking
Speaker 2: a massive decline. I proposed her and everything, and I'm
Speaker 2: kind of glad we didn't go through with it, because
Speaker 2: we learned very quickly after the proposal and things started
Speaker 2: getting really real that we did not do well together
Speaker 2: in that capacity.
Speaker 3: Hm hm.
Speaker 1: And what what made you realize that?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, when when I realized that the hoarding was
Speaker 2: getting out of control and there was there was to
Speaker 2: the point where you know, glass was being broken on
Speaker 2: the ground and she wouldn't pick it up, and I'd
Speaker 2: have to pick it up. But it just like she
Speaker 2: just leave food all over the ground and it would
Speaker 2: get moldy, and she just wouldn't pick up after herself,
Speaker 2: and ultimately it piled up in her house, and it
Speaker 2: piled up, piled up, piled up to the point where
Speaker 2: like the kids didn't couldn't walk around barefoot in their
Speaker 2: own home. And it really frustrated me because we hadn't
Speaker 2: moved in fully yet. We were kind of going back
Speaker 2: and forth whose home we were going to stay in.
Speaker 2: Was it going to be mine, was going to be
Speaker 2: hers because we both equally owned the house, and so
Speaker 2: we we were trying to figure that out, and it
Speaker 2: just the more her the more her home started getting
Speaker 2: worse and worse. And I tried to help everywhere I could,
Speaker 2: there was no changing it, if that makes sense, Like
Speaker 2: her mind was set on this is how it is. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: she she still needs help addressing the trauma that she's
Speaker 2: gone through. She signed off. She went to counseling when
Speaker 2: everything went down with her with her middle kid, but
Speaker 2: she went. She did it just long enough to where
Speaker 2: they said, yep, you passed, and then she left. Wow.
Speaker 1: How often do you see her?
Speaker 2: I see her? I mean we text all the time,
Speaker 2: but I see the mom two three times a.
Speaker 1: Week, okay, and mainly uh, to to discuss matters with
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what whatever is going on with them? Schools getting
Speaker 2: ready to start. So we actually got together and I
Speaker 2: bought all all the stationary supplies and then she went
Speaker 2: and bought all of their all the new school clothes
Speaker 2: and shoes and stuff like that. So she helps, she
Speaker 2: helps financially, She's involved, but not.
Speaker 1: Wild man. So I got a question. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: if if she gets a new man in her life,
Speaker 1: is she gonna is she gonna want to like be like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me get my kids, let me get
Speaker 1: my man. Let's ride off into the sunset. Or is
Speaker 1: she gonna be cool with you still? Like I asked
Speaker 1: about that, fine, is that kind of an issue?
Speaker 2: It's already a thing. And ironically, so, she's fine with
Speaker 2: me being in the kids's life. She has told me
Speaker 2: multiple times that she's glad that the kids have me.
Speaker 2: But but she is with the new dude, and she's
Speaker 2: pregnant with this dad with this guy. So this is
Speaker 2: baby daddy number three or four, sorry, there's four baby
Speaker 2: daddy's total. This is number four. And she's pregnant with
Speaker 2: this kid with this guy. And I've arrested this dude.
Speaker 2: No way, yeah, no way, No, It's absolutely true. I
Speaker 2: have arrested this guy and he wants nothing to do
Speaker 2: with me. But here's the here's the catch.
Speaker 1: He also does that is that is a fucking like move.
Speaker 1: That's a movie live. Your ex girlfriend starts dating a
Speaker 1: guy that you, as a bounty hunter have arrested. Fucking nuts?
Speaker 1: What did he offer? Story? But what what did you?
Speaker 1: What did what did you arrest him for?
Speaker 2: I arrested him on three counts of the.
Speaker 1: U I jesus wait, we do UI or alcohol? Do U? I?
Speaker 2: Both?
Speaker 1: Anyway? All right. So, so she's pregnant again with this
Speaker 1: dude who doesn't like you because you fucking smacked him
Speaker 1: in the head with a baton or something. He went
Speaker 1: really pupfully, what's the what's the story there, What's what's
Speaker 1: the drama? What's going on?
Speaker 2: So, so the mom makes really good money, so he
Speaker 2: is using her as a sugar mama right now. It's
Speaker 2: very it's very apparent because he is controlling her money
Speaker 2: and he's currently on house the rest. He's been sentenced,
Speaker 2: so he's on house arrest right now, but is demanding
Speaker 2: that she pays for seeings, is demanding bringing him food.
Speaker 2: And this dude still lives under his mom's roof on
Speaker 2: the couch and all these things he has. He has
Speaker 2: kids with three other women and has told the kids
Speaker 2: my kid is mom, that he doesn't want the kid
Speaker 2: and just to give it to me and I and
Speaker 2: I literally put my foot downs in one. I'm not
Speaker 2: taking care of another child. I'm not the one that
Speaker 2: got you.
Speaker 1: Pregnant and them. So the mom wants you to just
Speaker 1: start taking care of the new kid that she's having
Speaker 1: with this guy.
Speaker 2: No, the boyfriend does. The boyfriend told mom. The boyfriend
Speaker 2: told Mom, just give just give Jamie the kid. He'll
Speaker 2: take care of it.
Speaker 1: Dude. Some people should not have kids.
Speaker 2: There should be a license.
Speaker 1: They really should. Oh man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I am in a the biggest clusterfuck
Speaker 2: of a relationship that I put myself in, so it's
Speaker 2: it's equally my fault. And then I made a vow
Speaker 2: a kid to the kids that I won't leave, and
Speaker 2: so I'm not going to ever leave them, and my
Speaker 2: goal is to make sure that they are as successful
Speaker 2: as they possibly can be given the way they grew up. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: So okay, so this is the This is the opposite
Speaker 1: of the kind of scenario that I was panting because
Speaker 1: I imagined a scenario where she would get with a
Speaker 1: new guy and then they would be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let me get my kids back. But it's the opposite.
Speaker 1: She's in a scenario with a new guy making a
Speaker 1: new kid and being like, hey, can you take this
Speaker 1: new kid?
Speaker 2: Yep. Luckily I put my foot down real quick on
Speaker 2: that because she told me that the boyfriend said that,
Speaker 2: and I looked at her square in the face. I said,
Speaker 2: that's not happening. I go, it's already happened, and I'm
Speaker 2: happy with where I'm out, but I didn't ask for
Speaker 2: a third one.
Speaker 1: What was what was the whatever? I'm losing track of
Speaker 1: the relationships between all these people. But the mother of
Speaker 1: the children, she was talking to you and she pitched
Speaker 1: the idea to you. What was her What was her
Speaker 1: pitch of the idea?
Speaker 2: Her pitch of the idea was she was sitting in
Speaker 2: the car with me and he and her boyfriend literally
Speaker 2: texted it to her while we were sitting next to
Speaker 2: each other, and she goes, well, here's what he wants
Speaker 2: to do. After I found out she was pregnant, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she shows me her phone, and
Speaker 2: her phone says, just give Jamie the kid.
Speaker 1: And I looked at her and I said, no, dude,
Speaker 1: what a night. Jesus Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm living the craziest lifestyle out of a bounty
Speaker 2: hunter with crazy living situation, but I own my home
Speaker 2: and I'm happy, and the mom's involved as best as
Speaker 2: she can. And so I guess there's that.
Speaker 1: Are you? What about you? Are you going to date anyone?
Speaker 1: Are you on the apps? Are you on Bounty hunterlove
Speaker 1: dot com? What's up with you?
Speaker 2: I wish that there was someone for me. And I
Speaker 2: know everyone's gonna say there's someone, there is someone, but
Speaker 2: I haven't found the time.
Speaker 1: You You're you're optimistic about other people's optimism. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what people would say.
Speaker 2: I I would like to say that I can find someone,
Speaker 2: but I have tried and I have looked, and it
Speaker 2: is what it is. And if it happens, it happens.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't, it doesn't, I'll be happy with where
Speaker 2: I'm at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem like a pretty happy guy. You seem
Speaker 1: like you're not spiraling into fits of uh uh depression
Speaker 1: and despair on a constant basis, are you?
Speaker 2: Uh No, But I talked to a therapist. It's because
Speaker 2: of your stream that I'm on better.
Speaker 1: So okay, how's that going for you?
Speaker 2: You know, it is probably one of the best things
Speaker 2: I've ever chosen to do. Really, Yeah, to be completely hones.
Speaker 2: I like my therapist. I never thought therapy would be
Speaker 2: for me. I thought that I just had to kind
Speaker 2: of suffer by myself and and that, and it was
Speaker 2: nice to be able to talk to someone and be
Speaker 2: able to lay everything on the table and be told
Speaker 2: that I'm not doing a terrible job, that I'm actually doing. Okay.
Speaker 1: I am very happy to hear that. I just need
Speaker 1: to say this just because I know I people are
Speaker 1: going to accuse me of this. I swear on my
Speaker 1: mother's life. I did not pay this man to say this.
Speaker 1: No I would if I would never do that. I
Speaker 1: just know I'll pay this guy to talk about. No,
Speaker 1: it is not thing that just came up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I it was. It's the best choice I
Speaker 2: ever made. It's there were so many apps, ironically, there
Speaker 2: were so many ads in all of your Spotify pods
Speaker 2: cast that I just decided to google it and look
Speaker 2: into it, and I was going to try.
Speaker 1: Did you did you use the code gecko?
Speaker 2: Of course I used the code get goo.
Speaker 1: Okay, And it's working for you. Okay, I'm glad it's
Speaker 1: working for you. I'm glad it's working. I'm glad it's working.
Speaker 1: That makes it very happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway you seem you see, I mean, god,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is is such a crazy scenario. Are
Speaker 1: and so your oldest is in high school right now?
Speaker 2: Yep, she starts tenth grade.
Speaker 1: Is she doing? Is she doing? Okay? And in school
Speaker 1: and ship.
Speaker 2: She you know, she is so freaking smart, like wickedly smart.
Speaker 2: She's an all honor student. She gets a's and b's
Speaker 2: like nothing. She's also in the junior the j r
Speaker 2: OTC program, so the junior military program, and she she
Speaker 2: is just wickedly smart. And it pisses me off because
Speaker 2: they'll be like, I'm trying to do something and I
Speaker 2: never thought I'd have to go to her and ask
Speaker 2: her how do I do this on my iPhone? Or
Speaker 2: what's the answer to this question? And she just knows
Speaker 2: it up top her head and makes me feel really
Speaker 2: old and dumb sometimes even though I'm not old and
Speaker 2: I know I'm not dumb, but it's crazy just how
Speaker 2: smart she is. I can ask her anything and she
Speaker 2: just knows the answer.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because I mean, thirty is so young
Speaker 1: and like, yo, you guys are really not like, oh
Speaker 1: you're very You're very young for a father figure.
Speaker 2: Right well, and especially for her. I get confused to
Speaker 2: being her brother a lot more than I do being stepdad,
Speaker 2: and I understand the confusion and it's something that her
Speaker 2: and I have had to work through. I don't get
Speaker 2: that with her brother because obviously he's a lot younger,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people don't understand that I was
Speaker 2: much my my interests was very much so of the
Speaker 2: older woman and resulted in her having a family that
Speaker 2: I became a part of.
Speaker 1: How did How does she feel about the convoluted nature
Speaker 1: of of her situation?
Speaker 2: Oh, my oldest Yeah. Some days she she just explains
Speaker 2: it like, uh, that I'm just step dad and that's
Speaker 2: what it is, and people didn't bother her with it.
Speaker 2: Other times she she uses me as a bragging right
Speaker 2: because I'm a by hunter. Uh, and it shares the
Speaker 2: boys away, the ones that she doesn't want doesn't want
Speaker 2: around at least mm hmm. And then uh. And then
Speaker 2: other times she gets frustrated because I get confused to
Speaker 2: being her brother instead of the parents that here.
Speaker 1: Do you think is she gonna? Does she want to
Speaker 1: go to college? I mean, I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: really for that discussion, but.
Speaker 2: Well, she she does. She wants to grow up to
Speaker 2: be a therapist, psychological therapist for military veterans suffering through PTSD.
Speaker 1: That is a wildly impressively specific life goal for a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what she wants to do. And I want
Speaker 2: to make sure it happens for her.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, man, that's beautiful. And the nine year old
Speaker 1: probably likes playing Xbox.
Speaker 2: YEP, NonStop Xbox. I have to keep it on a timer.
Speaker 1: What's he on? What's what's the game is he on?
Speaker 2: Uh? What one? Isn't he on? He is on every game?
Speaker 2: He plays a lot of Roadblocks and a lot of Fortnite.
Speaker 2: And then I have g I have Grand Theft Auto
Speaker 2: blocked because he doesn't need that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, how great? What grade? What grade
Speaker 1: is nine years old?
Speaker 2: He is starting fourth grade?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, because I start, I want to say I
Speaker 1: first played Grand Theft Auto for in the sixth grade,
Speaker 1: which is probably still not an amazing time to play
Speaker 1: granted THOTO, but yeah, that's about when I started playing it,
Speaker 1: which would be like sixth grades, like what eleven, twelve? Anyway?
Speaker 1: All right, well, before we go, what's your what's your name? Again?
Speaker 1: One more time? Jamie, Jamie, Jamie? What's what's your? Before
Speaker 1: we go? What's the next for you?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What's what do you? What's your what's your what's your dream?
Speaker 1: What are your hopes?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: What do you do? You are you gonna have anything to.
Speaker 1: You have so much to nav I'm throwing a bunch
Speaker 1: at you, but you have so much to navigate, and
Speaker 1: yet you seem happy. You don't seem as stressed as
Speaker 1: I think I would be if I were dealing with
Speaker 1: everything you're dealing with.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know my uh my big goal in life
Speaker 2: right now is just to make sure they're successful. And
Speaker 2: that said, I am looking. I'm looking for what my
Speaker 2: retirement plan is going to be. I want to make
Speaker 2: sure that at fifty fifty five I am I am done.
Speaker 2: And if that means I need to find a more
Speaker 2: stable career that can be sustaining for the kids and
Speaker 2: myself and keep my home over my head, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. Is whatever whatever benefits the greater good
Speaker 2: for the kids.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do with your retire what like,
Speaker 1: if you are fully retired, what are you going to
Speaker 1: do with your time?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sleep. I'm going to sleep, and I honestly
Speaker 2: I want to travel. I've been around the world. I
Speaker 2: want to go back to Korea. I want to go
Speaker 2: back to Japan and visit some of the places I
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to see.
Speaker 1: What's the What's what? What does your net worth have
Speaker 1: to be before you retire?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, well a million dollars isn't what it's going
Speaker 2: to be, worse than twenty years. But I mean they
Speaker 2: say you got to take your annual income times. I'm
Speaker 2: in years and so I don't know million at least.
Speaker 1: See I'm thinking about too, But I'm thinking. I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking differently. I'm thinking, like, how can I train
Speaker 1: my body to not need food and shelter so that
Speaker 1: way I can just retire on the streets.
Speaker 2: You know, right now you still need food. You can
Speaker 2: live on the streets, but you still need food.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this real quick. Does I want the
Speaker 1: chat of any questions for Jamie? Sometimes I'll ask the
Speaker 1: chat for questions or the kids in therapy?
Speaker 2: Yes, both of them are. They are both actively in
Speaker 2: professional help.
Speaker 1: Someone asks when the kids are grown, are you going
Speaker 1: to leave the situation? It doesn't sound like you are.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. That's a question for the future
Speaker 2: and how I feel.
Speaker 1: All right. Somebody asked, what is your favorite food?
Speaker 2: That would have to be really spicy sushi.
Speaker 1: Really spicy sushi. Well, I hope that you do eventually
Speaker 1: get to retire and go to Japan and have all
Speaker 1: the spicy sushi that you want, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: they have some at the grocery store. Jamie, is there
Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go?
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I would want to say for
Speaker 2: that is, you know, look forward to all your goals,
Speaker 2: achieve what you can, and leave a better legacy behind
Speaker 2: than what you currently have.
Speaker 1: Thanks man. Hey, you know what, Jamie, I might just
Speaker 1: go steal a candy bar from a liquor store just
Speaker 1: so I can see you again one more time.
Speaker 2: Will sound good?
Speaker 3: Lyle have a good one too.
Speaker 1: Goodye, solid conversation with Jamie making me think about what
Speaker 1: my retirement plan is. My retirement plan is. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if anyone listening to this podcast wants to pay
Speaker 1: me a million dollars for a used Gecko glove? Any
Speaker 1: takers starting? All right? Five hundred thousand?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Four hunt, no, all right? Maybe I'll just get a
Speaker 1: job at the DMV or something. Hello, what's up dog?
Speaker 1: How you doing? How's life?
Speaker 3: Oh dude, oh man, life is better now that I'm
Speaker 3: talking to you. Holy buckets?
Speaker 1: Oh what's your name? What's your name, Oh.
Speaker 3: My name is Connor Connor Connor and before we but
Speaker 3: I must say we've met once before.
Speaker 1: When did we grabon?
Speaker 3: You were at Bonnaroo and then after you're set there,
Speaker 3: you went behind and someone was like, can I play
Speaker 3: you a song? And you were dancing. I walked up
Speaker 3: to you and I said can I get a picture?
Speaker 3: And You're like yes, And we hugged and you were like,
Speaker 3: what's your name? Man? And I was like, I'm Connor,
Speaker 3: and that was that was the first time we met.
Speaker 1: I said, what did I say? After that?
Speaker 3: You were just like nice to meet you, man, And
Speaker 3: I was smiling so big in the photo that someone
Speaker 3: was like, it's Christmas for him.
Speaker 1: And man, normally, if I'm normally, if I'm walking around
Speaker 1: at a festival and I'm in my gecko costume and
Speaker 1: somebody asked me for a photo, I'll look at them
Speaker 1: and I'll go like does it don't you see that
Speaker 1: I'm fucking busy, and I'll shove them into to the ground.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're not one of the people that
Speaker 1: I did that too.
Speaker 3: Oh, me too, me too.
Speaker 1: Connor Connor, you texted me, you said, you said the
Speaker 1: biggest choice of my life is in the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: What's up with that?
Speaker 3: So yes, yes, okay, so let me precurse this. So
Speaker 3: I'm in law school right and I'm in my third
Speaker 3: year of law school. It's coming to an end, my
Speaker 3: last year of college then getting thrown to the wolves
Speaker 3: into the real life, right. And so last summer I interned,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to law school in North Dakota. And
Speaker 3: last summer I interned at a place in South Dakota.
Speaker 3: And the place in South Dakota liked me so much
Speaker 3: that they offered me a job. But I go to
Speaker 3: school in North Dakota. All my friends are in North Dakota.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to like law and stuff, wherever
Speaker 3: you decide to work, like, that's where you're at because
Speaker 3: you got to take an exam called the bar exam,
Speaker 3: and it's state specific. So if I were to choose
Speaker 3: South Dakota, I'd be like, oh, peace out all my
Speaker 3: friends who I've made over the last three years and
Speaker 3: all my connections kick rocks. But if I choose North Dakota,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, peace out. This nice job offer that
Speaker 3: I was offered, kick rocks. I don't want it. And
Speaker 3: then I'd have to like do the whole application and
Speaker 3: interview process and all that stuff in North Dakota when
Speaker 3: it's kind of nice just you know, the offers already
Speaker 3: out there, you know, well, saying.
Speaker 1: Take cup, First of all, I need you to take
Speaker 1: comfort in the fact that you're fucked either way, because
Speaker 1: no matter what, you have to live in either North
Speaker 1: or South Dakota. And that should be comforted to you.
Speaker 1: That should make the decision less difficult. Yes, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: what how old do you?
Speaker 3: I am twenty four, but in a week and a
Speaker 3: half I'll be twenty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool man? And where are you calling me from
Speaker 1: North Dakota Grand.
Speaker 3: Forks, North Dakota, shout out und baby woo.
Speaker 1: All right, and you're in school right now?
Speaker 2: Where where?
Speaker 1: What are you doing right now? School?
Speaker 3: So I'm in my last year of law school. So
Speaker 3: I already have an undergraduate degree, which is four years
Speaker 3: of college, and now I'm on my third last year.
Speaker 3: It'll be my seventh year of school of higher education
Speaker 3: and then I'm done.
Speaker 1: Cool, cool, cool cool.
Speaker 3: So I kind of need to figure it out. And
Speaker 3: the reason I only have two weeks is because the
Speaker 3: job offer in South Dakota gave a deadline of August
Speaker 3: thirty first to accept it.
Speaker 1: Do you have jobs? Do you have a job offer
Speaker 1: in North Dakota?
Speaker 3: I do not?
Speaker 1: Okay, how are I don't know. I don't know this universe.
Speaker 1: How rare our job offers?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I don't know because I've
Speaker 3: just been in college my whole life. I really don't
Speaker 3: know how rare job offers are. I mean, it's my
Speaker 3: first and only one. I guess right?
Speaker 1: How much? Can I ask you? How much money the
Speaker 1: South Dakota job offers for?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: You can? You can? So it's in South Dakota where
Speaker 3: the cost of living it's pretty low, but it's seventy
Speaker 3: g seventies.
Speaker 1: You just can get you can get your You can
Speaker 1: get you a hell of a seven to eleven run
Speaker 1: in South Dakota.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yes, it could get me to a live
Speaker 3: Gecko show.
Speaker 1: M well, it wants because I'm never stepping foot in
Speaker 1: South Dakota. But I bet why can't you?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So what a minute? So have you been on indeed
Speaker 1: or LinkedIn or or any of those other have you?
Speaker 1: Have you researed? Because it sounds like you want to
Speaker 1: live in North Dakota because you have friends and connect
Speaker 1: you have your life is in North Dakota, and you
Speaker 1: do you like your life?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like my life. It's a pretty good life.
Speaker 1: All right. So is this so is this decision to
Speaker 1: take a job in South Dakota Is it out of
Speaker 1: a mind Is it out of a scarcity mindset that
Speaker 1: you will not be able to find the job in
Speaker 1: North Dakota. That's that's in the field of.
Speaker 3: Law, almost scarcity. And also like like I almost like
Speaker 3: my confidence in myself to get more job offers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not very good like interviews and stuff. I'm not
Speaker 3: really an interview guy. I feel like I'm more of
Speaker 3: a get to know me type guy, you know, rather
Speaker 3: than like a thirty minute hour meeting. Oh that was
Speaker 3: you know. So it's really the fear of going through
Speaker 3: the whole process again.
Speaker 1: Let's step back, Connor, what makes you happy? What's making
Speaker 1: you happy in life right now?
Speaker 3: What makes me happy? What makes me happy? That is
Speaker 3: a great question. You know. I do enjoy time with
Speaker 3: my friends, I play video games, I like concerts, But
Speaker 3: on a day to day thing, I really don't know
Speaker 3: what makes me happy.
Speaker 1: Okay, because there's there's I'm thinking about this in several ways.
Speaker 1: There's this whole idea of leaving your comfort zone and
Speaker 1: going to a new place evolves you as a human being,
Speaker 1: which is something I believe in a lot. But you're
Speaker 1: also going from North Dakota to South Dakota. So that's
Speaker 1: not the most I don't know if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: an eat prey love experience down in South Dakota in that,
Speaker 1: but it could, but it could evolve you as a
Speaker 1: human being in other ways because you're now challenged to
Speaker 1: make new friends. You're challenged to put yourself out there, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the dude and like South Dakota, like like
Speaker 3: the dude from The Reverend that movie Leonardo DiCaprio acted
Speaker 3: in like he's from South Dakota. That happened in so
Speaker 3: like it's got cool things like that. And the Corn
Speaker 3: Palace I think is down there.
Speaker 1: Moving to South Dakota because it's where the revenue takes
Speaker 1: place and that's where the corn Palace is. That's that's
Speaker 1: a terrible reason to move.
Speaker 3: There's also fair almost.
Speaker 1: I honestly think a job. It's a terrible reason to
Speaker 1: move South Dakota. Sorry for the there's somebody in South
Speaker 1: Dakota who's listening to this that I'm upsetting.
Speaker 3: No, no one of one of the twenty of them.
Speaker 1: And also, okay, you mentioned too that you mentioned you
Speaker 1: mentioned too that if you if you move down there,
Speaker 1: that if you take the bar, that's like where you're
Speaker 1: settled at, right, because you can't you.
Speaker 3: Have forever forever, yeah, for like a half decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, And you don't want to move there, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm fine with moving there. I'm fine that, like,
Speaker 3: like moving's not the issue, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just like the people. You know, I'm fine with
Speaker 3: moving there, but I'm not fine with leaving my friends too,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, man? Well what's what? Well? What what the
Speaker 1: have you have? You even let me ask it? Have
Speaker 1: you even let's say, let's say you had two job
Speaker 1: offers for the same amount of money and one was
Speaker 1: in North Dakota, womans in South Dakota. You'd take the
Speaker 1: North Dakota one, right, Oh?
Speaker 3: I think I would?
Speaker 1: Actually you think you would. What do you want? What
Speaker 1: do you want out of life? Connor? Are you trying
Speaker 1: to expand your social circle and life experience? Outside of
Speaker 1: the the the Dakota's or are you really happy diving
Speaker 1: deeply into the existing social circle and existing experiences that
Speaker 1: you have. It's an important question.
Speaker 3: No, I know it sounds kind of vanilla, but almost
Speaker 3: the latter, because when I was younger of young, I'm
Speaker 3: on twenty five, but I used to like want to
Speaker 3: venture and like be like a private practice attorney and
Speaker 3: get a boat or something. But now I just kind
Speaker 3: of want to be like a humble like law professor
Speaker 3: who like goes hiking summers.
Speaker 1: Okay, go on, and I know, I I this is
Speaker 1: a tough question. Go on, indeed, go on LinkedIn, Go
Speaker 1: see what's go see if you can get a job
Speaker 1: in North Dakota.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So maybe so maybe just you know, let
Speaker 3: that thirty first deadline slide a little bit.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would say, look, I'm not I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what to do, because yeah, no, of course, of
Speaker 1: course you can't tell you what. I can't tell you what.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what to do, but I can
Speaker 1: tell you have some have some confidence in yourself that
Speaker 1: you're good enough at what you do that you can
Speaker 1: you can You'll be okay, Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: You know that. You know, my mom tells me that
Speaker 3: same thing all the time, but for some reason, coming
Speaker 3: from there to get go, it just sounds it hits
Speaker 3: way more home.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, confidence in myself. Don't just settle on
Speaker 3: the first job offer that was floated at me. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, That's what I'm taking from this conversation.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I just want you to know if you
Speaker 1: fuck up your life because if anything I told you,
Speaker 1: remember that your mom said. Remember remember remember that your
Speaker 1: mom said it to you first, So blame her.
Speaker 2: I met.
Speaker 1: Okay, definitely connors anything.
Speaker 3: In a box. I won't come for a vendetta against you. Lyle.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, people of the computer, just keep keep keep
Speaker 3: being you and you, if you're part of the Therapy
Speaker 3: Gecko family, you're probably a pretty chill person. And thank
Speaker 3: you guys for listening to me, and thank you Lyle
Speaker 3: for taking my call. It's it's it's been an honor,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, man, it's been an honor talking to you too. Good.
Speaker 1: Have fun in the dakotas man, go h go, for
Speaker 1: a walk.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I will. And you I know you probably
Speaker 3: have a PR team or something, but I'm gonna send
Speaker 3: you that picture of me and you at Bonnail and
Speaker 3: whether or not you actually see it or not.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, what do you mean? What do you mean
Speaker 1: I have a PR like send it to my Instagram.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm gonna send it to your Instagram.
Speaker 1: I do not have I think people think I have,
Speaker 1: like at a guy or something. It's me. I'm looking
Speaker 1: all that shit.
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully you see the picture and I and I
Speaker 3: will and I'll enjoy the rest of your stream tonight.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Connie, you have a good night.
Speaker 3: Thank you as well.
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Speaker 4: Paul from Jules.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi Jules, How are you a hi?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 1: How are you not much? What's going on? How can
Speaker 1: I get you today?
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean, what is your preferred method of gecking?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, i'll rephrase the question. Is there anything in particular
Speaker 1: that you wanted to talk about today? It's okay?
Speaker 4: If not, No, you know, the one thing that is
Speaker 4: super on my mind is life after college and how
Speaker 4: much of a mess it could be?
Speaker 1: Are you in life after college?
Speaker 4: I am graduating in twenty two.
Speaker 1: Graduated in twenty two, okay, and what are your observations
Speaker 1: thus far?
Speaker 4: Well, it's a time I went to school for theater.
Speaker 4: So it's not something where it's like, yes, I know,
Speaker 4: I'm going to have something like right out the door,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Okay? So you graduated in twenty two, and what have
Speaker 1: you been doing since then?
Speaker 4: Well, I moved to a new city literally like a
Speaker 4: year ago around this time I've been I moved here
Speaker 4: because I was, you know, trying to make it as
Speaker 4: an actor. But when I first sit here, I started
Speaker 4: as an English tutor for elementary kids. Didn't like the
Speaker 4: nine to five aspects of it. It didn't really give
Speaker 4: me time to really do the theater as much as
Speaker 4: I thought it would. And then I got a job
Speaker 4: as at a bakery and not baking, just selling the stuff,
Speaker 4: and I actually put in my two weeks for that
Speaker 4: the other day, and today I had my first training
Speaker 4: for a waitress job. So I've done a few shows
Speaker 4: in between that. But other than that, I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to make money, but I'm not doing good at saving it.
Speaker 1: And you live you live in New York.
Speaker 4: I actually live in Philadelphia. I'm from New Jersey, like
Speaker 4: close to New York, but I live in Philly.
Speaker 1: Now, did you go to school in Philly?
Speaker 4: No, I went to school in South Jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Philly. Philly is a great city. Man. Are
Speaker 1: you so? Are you? Are you still pursuing acting?
Speaker 4: I am, yeah, okay?
Speaker 1: How are you making stuff on the internet?
Speaker 4: No, that's not my school? Really just live theater. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get involved in like student films and do
Speaker 4: some like volunteer non paid stuff just to like get
Speaker 4: in front of a camera or get on a stage
Speaker 4: and make connections and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And what what is like in that? I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know much about the live theater universe. Is the
Speaker 1: goal to like get get in some kind of like
Speaker 1: touring show or something like that, Like what's the what
Speaker 1: are the jobs in that?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's a lot of ways that you
Speaker 4: people can make it happen. I recently got I had
Speaker 4: a conversation with someone who works for like the National
Speaker 4: Theater Children to Theater for children and they do tours
Speaker 4: and like the greater Philadelphia area. But it's not it.
Speaker 4: He was the guy that I talked to was like,
Speaker 4: you should submit another time because it seems to give
Speaker 4: a lot going on. I actually like, don't have a
Speaker 4: specific like goal. I just want to do it.
Speaker 1: Cool, Well that's all. That's uh, that's fun, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's better than having a specific goal. I think just
Speaker 1: wanting to do it. It's a better having a specific
Speaker 1: goal because you're gonna have a because you'll be happy
Speaker 1: or just wanting to do it than being like if
Speaker 1: I don't do this, then I'll I'm going to have
Speaker 1: to die. Right, Okay, are you like what what else
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 1: Any other specific stuff about post grad life that you
Speaker 1: wanted to you wanted to touch on in your.
Speaker 4: Experience, you know what, I'm struggling a lot with, Like,
Speaker 4: since moving to Silly, my biggest issue has been like
Speaker 4: needing people and making friends and keeping my those relationships
Speaker 4: that I've made in college that I assumed would continue
Speaker 4: after college, you know what I mean, and they're just
Speaker 4: not do those people?
Speaker 1: Where do those people live? Do they live outside of Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Outside, but like my where I went to school is
Speaker 4: literally like twenty twenty five minutes away, so it's like
Speaker 4: not that far. And I've tried to reach out, tried
Speaker 4: to you know, keep up with it, but it's just
Speaker 4: not being reciprocated. And then I'm sitting here, like what
Speaker 4: did I do to not have this friendship? Keep going?
Speaker 1: Do you have friends in Philadelphia?
Speaker 4: No, I've had like a hard I don't know. I've
Speaker 4: had a hard time, I guess like branching out and
Speaker 4: meeting people. Like I live with two roommates, one of
Speaker 4: them I went to school with, and like, I'm pretty
Speaker 4: good friends with my roommates, so like that's a plus,
Speaker 4: but we all have different lifestyles and you know, like
Speaker 4: it's ours. Our paths don't always intertwine.
Speaker 1: Mm, I'm thinking about this. I'm having a hard time
Speaker 1: making friends too. I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 4: That's like, you know, I you know, I joined bumble
Speaker 4: DFF and I put in my big My sister suggested
Speaker 4: I do that, and I put in my bio. Like,
Speaker 4: I have a really hard time connecting with people over
Speaker 4: the phone or like through a screen, so it'd be
Speaker 4: great to like grab drinks or like get coffee or something.
Speaker 4: And nobody seems like interested in doing that. And so
Speaker 4: like I got a few messages that are like, I
Speaker 4: know it's hard, but like we can make it work.
Speaker 4: So like I'm trying to take the steps to meet people.
Speaker 1: Well you're well, you're in acting, and I feel as
Speaker 1: though there's a lot of different clubs, and I mean,
Speaker 1: why don't you join a fucking sketch comedy group or
Speaker 1: something like that? True in that in that whole vain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna give you a specific suggestion.
Speaker 1: I don't usually do that. Usually meander, uh, go join go,
Speaker 1: do fucking go get involved in improv and sketch. In Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: go to Fit. You know what FIT is. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's still around. No Fit p H I T.
Speaker 1: I do not know if it's still around. They might
Speaker 1: have closed with the pandemic. But if it is, go
Speaker 1: check it out to the Philadelphia Improv Theater Philadelphiladelphia was
Speaker 1: all this great sketch and improv going on, and it's
Speaker 1: really just people who go and fuck around on the
Speaker 1: stage for five minutes and then get drunk afterwards. So
Speaker 1: it's a good place to make friends that go look
Speaker 1: into that. That's what I That's how I made friends
Speaker 1: when I was in Philadelphia was through stand up And
Speaker 1: it was cool because you could because you could go
Speaker 1: there and there would be it felt like cheers. Man,
Speaker 1: you go to an open mic and even though you
Speaker 1: suck and stuff like, you know, you know everybody, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's a good time. Yeah, there's all these
Speaker 1: scenes in Philadelphia and if whoever's listened to this in
Speaker 1: cities around the world, so go find a scene. Because
Speaker 1: you know, this whole thing of of trying to keep
Speaker 1: up all these individual friendships that are all over the place,
Speaker 1: it's fucking hard. So you know, try to get involved
Speaker 1: in a scene of some kind of you're in the
Speaker 1: absolute most perfect place and then a perfect city to
Speaker 1: go do that, so, you know, go on Facebook and
Speaker 1: search fucking improv group or just or sit at home
Speaker 1: alone and never talk to anybody again.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, you know, it's nothing wrong with an easy route, right,
Speaker 4: And that's like what I do now. But the most
Speaker 4: like what I've what I've been telling myself constantly is like,
Speaker 4: you know, you've got to just do it. And like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I was talking about my friends and
Speaker 4: he said, like, if you just show up, just show
Speaker 4: your face, see what happens. You don't have to say anything.
Speaker 4: You just have to be there, see what the vibe is,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Jade, Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: I want to say Yolo.
Speaker 1: You know, people people look at the word. I think
Speaker 1: Yolo has this brand of being vapid, but it's really deep,
Speaker 1: you know what. You know what the phrase of you know,
Speaker 1: the phrase of memento mori means no remember death. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it means. I don't know, but it's like,
Speaker 1: why is momento moury? Why is that some cool Roman
Speaker 1: thing that book. People say, but Yolo is stupid. They
Speaker 1: mean the same thing, So I'm with.
Speaker 4: You, Yolo.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling Jade.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's Jules, but thank you. Sorry forever, Okay, Jeel Cever,
Speaker 4: have a great night.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I don't have any friends either.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: The repeat Kid goes on the line, thinking of phone
Speaker 1: calls every night. The repeat Kid goes to on his eye.
Speaker 1: He's teaching you a loud live your life, but he's
Speaker 1: not really an expert.