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Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Live from the NFL's annual

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Speaker 1: scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All that's You're live on a Tuesday editiontive Cleveland Browns Daily.

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Speaker 3: I am merely Bo. He is the great z.

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Speaker 2: We are in Heaven otherwise known as Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Gorgeous. How are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's the Combine. It's very exciting. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of there's a lot of buzz, a lot of famili

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Speaker 4: your faces, sure, sure, a lot of commiseration over having

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Speaker 4: to navigate, you know, the potholes on seventy.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a it's a good place to be.

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Speaker 2: They just said, the hell with it, We're just gonna

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Speaker 2: get rid of the road. Well yeah, they're like, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna go drive on the other side of the road.

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Speaker 2: Just go drive over there. You're fine, don't worry. We're

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Speaker 2: working on this. Even though you don't see anybody or

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Speaker 2: any equipment. We're working on it. Yeah, oh, we'll take

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Speaker 2: your word for it.

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Speaker 3: Very nice. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully at some point before twenty sixty six we

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Speaker 2: can get that all sorted out. So there you go

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Speaker 2: on that. They did another thing that was really brilliant

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Speaker 2: this year. I promise it'll be very short in terms

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Speaker 2: of be raining on the Indianapolis Parade. But I keep

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Speaker 2: being told that this is the best city on the

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Speaker 2: plan to host these things. If you walk directly out

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Speaker 2: of this convention center, you are one block from Harry

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Speaker 2: and Izzi's albums and almost it's right there. They both

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Speaker 2: by the way, you and I both realize this. It's

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Speaker 2: Saint Elmo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no, there's no s it's not as Elmo's fire.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever called it? No, it's no, No, there's

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Speaker 4: no fire saying Almos fire. No, I've never I did

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Speaker 4: not know that till I was yesterday, say years old. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've never called Saint Elmo.

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Speaker 3: Never? Did you know this?

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Speaker 2: Were you always in Almo? That your real here? I

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Speaker 3: Did not know that it is a pretty way. I

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Speaker 3: even thought we brought that out here.

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Speaker 4: When I buy the cocktail st Elmo's cocktail sauce, it's

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Speaker 4: possessive the cocktail sauce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got there.

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Speaker 2: So they there is a road, a thoroughfare that we've

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Speaker 2: burnt our slouring and that we made burned, burned down

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Speaker 2: many times, and it makes us a very short walk.

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Speaker 2: And what they decided with the Combine and the Final

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Speaker 2: Four coming up next month, is we're going to close

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Speaker 2: that whole street. So now if you want to go

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Speaker 2: down that way, it's now a six block navigation to

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Speaker 2: get there. So in their infinite wisdom, that's what they

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Speaker 2: said that. So that's all my complaining I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 4: I can only hope that this is like a rush

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Speaker 4: job so that there's something special on that street for

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Speaker 4: the Final four.

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Speaker 3: That's my only hope. Bo.

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Speaker 2: Then Nope, So no, then mister Siciliano saying they're building

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Speaker 2: a massive hotel. BO, I'm calling on you. Today's a tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It is a tuesday. I lost Tragg a day. Today's

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Speaker 2: a tuesday. When you went out there today, did you

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Speaker 2: see anyone working?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, nor nor did I negatory buddy. I didn't see

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Speaker 2: that either. So anyway, there's our there's my little beef

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Speaker 2: with Indy and then we'll have a great meal tonight.

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Speaker 3: Everyth're gonna have great beef today. It's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Heaven forgive ave. I got to say something. He's Tom

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Speaker 2: Katton around. He was out till four am entertaining people

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Speaker 2: pretty close.

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Speaker 5: I can assure you.

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Speaker 6: While I was almost the last one to go home

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Speaker 6: in this group, I was not the last one. Oh well, sure,

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Speaker 6: the social LIGHTE, the social LIGHTE, the social life.

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Speaker 5: You may have seen him on NBC's Golden Zone.

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Speaker 7: I know what.

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Speaker 4: He even even saw me today and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just I want to the mayor apologize. I felt,

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Speaker 4: you know, we haven't seen each other a while, and

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Speaker 4: then we spent no time.

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Speaker 2: Together, and I'm like, you're sorry. Get pulled in a

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Speaker 2: million different directions. Usually you can tell it that.

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Speaker 6: You could say that it's my event after last night,

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Speaker 6: I am a runner up.

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Speaker 2: All right, hold on, you're the vice president of eventing.

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Speaker 2: He's the president's socialite. You're the vice He's already off.

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Speaker 2: He was just there's more socially, he's already off socialize

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Speaker 2: a little bit more. I want to do something that

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't normally do.

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Speaker 3: You're the franchise, you do what you want, buddy. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: On one hand, I'm sad because it is in some

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Speaker 4: ways the end of one of the great art forms

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen, which is Gibbet Lurking. But his preparation

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Speaker 4: for this particular combine and the lineup of never seen

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Speaker 4: luminaries that he has slotted out today tomorrow, yeah, Thursday,

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Speaker 4: is just it's incredible and I want to just a

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Speaker 2: It's it's his giant p thank you, He's he's Vanessa

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Speaker 2: is there? Yeah, it is that. He's the big pea

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Speaker 2: producer today. And yeah, you've crushed it well now, to

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Speaker 2: be fair, if you didn't, I'm not sure we'd have

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Speaker 6: It was like he said, tomorrow, I will give you

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Speaker 6: a little bit. I will go back and I were

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Speaker 6: old school lurking because I got to get sims and

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Speaker 6: you know how.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how that can go depends on his mood.

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Speaker 5: YEP, But we.

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Speaker 3: Are crammed together with teams.

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Speaker 4: We just have Dave Canal said, coach the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 4: just walked by to go do.

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Speaker 6: Our former coach is literally ten feet away. I believe

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Speaker 6: Kem is he gonna come by. I believe he's over there.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure sure. Now that is strange, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Who plays it?

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Speaker 2: This is what happens at the combine, Like we are

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Speaker 2: literally doing Cleveland Brown's daily one year ago at this time,

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Speaker 2: he would have been over here, probably off the top

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Speaker 3: Because we were one to three. Then what a lovely

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Speaker 4: But someone's now he got a former head coach is

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Speaker 4: now in the NFC South, and then we got another

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Speaker 3: That's right, Tat McMillan. There's one.

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Speaker 2: There's one one other common theme that I think, and

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Speaker 2: it's we we've talked to a bunch of people today.

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Speaker 2: One thing that's been kind of funny is, you know, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: like where are they versus Tech McMillan, And it's amazing

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Speaker 2: how everybody loves tech McMillan. Now you and I are

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Speaker 2: on record for loving tech McMillan last year, you more

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Speaker 3: But for sure.

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Speaker 2: But like it's amazing because I remember when we did

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Speaker 2: going like, you have got to take tech McMillan at two.

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Speaker 2: Like there was none of that. No, I thought he

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Speaker 2: was obvious everybody around. There wasn't like he's a can't

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Speaker 2: But now a sudden, everybody's like, oh, yeah, I loved him. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you did.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a lot of that. You'll

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Speaker 4: get a lot of that kind of revisionist history. I

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Speaker 4: wonder if he's gonna sap I have about it there

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Speaker 4: he is the old coach. So this morning, doctor J.

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Speaker 4: G Man and I we're making our way over. It's

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Speaker 4: by the way, last night you guys going, hey, don't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, never knowing that the construction that we spoke of

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Speaker 7: But I'm like, I needed you gotta walk.

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Speaker 3: You need, by the way, the only nat after the

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Speaker 3: I need you need to walk it off, by the way.

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Speaker 4: The only demerit on on Siciliano being the new mayor

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Speaker 4: of the Combine was on the way home.

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Speaker 3: He was giving us wrong directions left and right.

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Speaker 4: He was really confused. He's like that doors locked. I'm like, really,

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Speaker 4: You have to go outside. No, no, we got to

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Speaker 4: get down here for this escalator.

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Speaker 2: I was guilty of something that I am ashamed of

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Speaker 2: and that I co signed his path through the Marriott.

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Speaker 2: You did I walk, I followed my I initially had

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Speaker 6: And we watched by this morning and the g man

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I was like, this is that right?

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Speaker 2: I was steadfast than you. Guys were resolute. We're very resolute.

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Speaker 4: We were.

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Speaker 6: We were walking this morning and it's just the three

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Speaker 6: A big moment that happened last year, team Schultz and

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Speaker 6: we're walking down the hole and there's one person coming

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Speaker 6: this way by him, the head coach of the Atlanta.

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Speaker 5: Folk, you guys, and he runs into us. Of all

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Speaker 5: the people, big hugs.

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Speaker 6: He's doing well, family is reallocating nicely. And he said

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Speaker 6: throw some stuff at you. Then I ran into Mike Lafleur,

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Speaker 6: who was on our twenty fourteen staff, new head coach

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Speaker 6: of the Arizona Cardinals, And I mean, when you come

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Speaker 6: had as many coaching staffs go through all the organization,

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Speaker 6: Kevin I brought real stability to it. You know a

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Speaker 3: And so that's what's that's one of the things that's fun.

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Speaker 4: We've already you know, last night, one of the great

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Speaker 4: moments that you know, we'll get him on air and

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Speaker 4: it'll be, you know, the highlight of the combine as

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Speaker 4: it always But we got to hang with Grey Cosel

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Speaker 4: last night, who's just so fun, and Young Gabriel got

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Speaker 4: wisdom of everything was going on.

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Speaker 2: But Cocktailer three, I got even old fashions.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed that old He was trying to go. He

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Speaker 4: was trying to go a rub and cook. We say no,

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Speaker 4: not tonight, not tonight, Young Gabriel.

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Speaker 6: The old fashion was I think the two pineapple margarita

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's incredible. There you go. We came up

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Speaker 2: And he played he played fine, he played fine, he

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Speaker 3: Hey, oh that's our guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah'd be very exciting, very very exciting. A couple of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't trade number two overall picks in the

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Speaker 2: you can find a way back to that versus throwing

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: It's a weird one because you wouldn't trade that is

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Speaker 3: A depressed value.

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Speaker 4: No, and they've got to feel like with their defense,

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Speaker 3: But no, I think there's no way. Of course, then

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Speaker 3: not at all.

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Speaker 2: Ian Cunningham on ninety two point nine in Atlanta, they

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Speaker 2: are going to release Kirk Cousins on the first delay

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Speaker 3: To because the contract in the way that it was restructured.

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Speaker 4: Now the question is is he then allowed to come

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if that's the case and it's not Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: they definitely could trade him. There's no question they could

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Speaker 3: He's been he's been very productive.

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Speaker 3: And if he does that.

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Speaker 4: He's immensely talented. He's got a ton of arm talent.

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Speaker 4: I think that you would want him to be surrounded

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Speaker 4: You know, if you want to get in any RPO

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Speaker 4: He'll give you, you know, five hundred yards and five

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Speaker 4: He's got a whip. Yeah, I mean there's and it's

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Speaker 4: just how much does he yeah, what does it matter?

439
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Speaker 4: How much does he want to be to maximize his potential?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that will be kind of an interesting thing

441
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Speaker 2: as it goes along. And then you know the other

442
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Speaker 2: things in terms of this draft, and you're going to

443
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Speaker 2: hear from it. Daniel Jeremiah is going to join us

444
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Speaker 2: here in about I don't know, twenty five minutes or so.

445
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Speaker 2: You're gonna hear from Andrew Berry here momentarily. Jordan Reid's

446
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Speaker 2: going to join us in the second hour of the program.

447
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Speaker 2: Vic Carucci, There's there's a lot to unfold. This is

448
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Speaker 2: day one. We did general managers at the podium and

449
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: that's about it. Today you're gonna get I mean, you've

450
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Speaker 2: had some coaches too, obviously, Kev's been up there and

451
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: Robert Salin some of the divisions have done the coaches

452
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: as well, but I you know, that's and then you're

453
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Speaker 2: gonna get into prospects as the week goes along, and

454
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna start to get these guys. It doesn't seem

455
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Speaker 2: like many of the guys at the top are doing

456
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Speaker 2: much of anything.

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Speaker 3: Nope.

458
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Speaker 2: Again, I mean that's become kind of standard operating now. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 2: And it feels like, also, this isn't a draft that

460
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Speaker 2: that there are those just dominant guys at the top.

461
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Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I think to take it

462
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Speaker 2: a step further, it doesn't feel like there are It

463
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Speaker 2: seems like the best players in this draft are for

464
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Speaker 2: the most part, non glamorous positions, and so there isn't that.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean last year's draft when we came over here

466
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Speaker 2: last year, it was Cam Schaedour and Travis Hunter, Like,

467
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen at the top of the draft?

468
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Speaker 3: A duel Carter? Duel Carter? Sure?

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like Travis Hunt, Travis Hunter was

470
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Speaker 2: a super duperstar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you do with him? And then it

472
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Speaker 3: was a two quarterbacks? Yeah.

473
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Speaker 2: Then by the time of the week was onion. It

474
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Speaker 2: was Cam and and the rest of it kind of

475
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Speaker 2: sorted itself out. But yeah, it feels like, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: when the top of the draft has been Doza, who

477
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Speaker 2: is by nature pretty quiet, just there's not a whole

478
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Speaker 2: lot to him in terms of layers. He's about as

479
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Speaker 2: good a kid as you're ever going to find. He

480
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Speaker 2: appoints himself at the way you played his rear end

481
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: off in Indiana's played won the Heisman, one of the

482
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Speaker 2: greatest season in the history of college football, and so

483
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Speaker 2: but it's like preordained that he's going one, So there's

484
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Speaker 2: not a whole lot of dialogue around it. And then

485
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Speaker 2: for the Jets at too, it's like, okay, well, is

486
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Speaker 2: that rvl race Kiper had him taking Caleb Downs at two,

487
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Speaker 2: which is the highest a safety has been drafted since

488
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Speaker 2: Eric Turner by US number two overall back in ninety one.

489
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Speaker 2: So I mean it's been that's that's kind of where

490
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Speaker 2: it is as opposed to what do you do with

491
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Speaker 2: Travis which quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Like just a very different vibe in this draft totally,

493
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Speaker 3: because I think you hit the nail on the head.

494
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Speaker 4: The best players might be at non premium positions, whether

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Speaker 4: that's you know, Caleb Downs is a safety, whether that's

496
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Speaker 4: Sunny Styles a linebacker, right, whether that's Jeremiah loves a

497
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: running back right that you know you're hearing a lot

498
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Speaker 4: of talk about. And this is kind of where I

499
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 4: think it gets very difficult if you're the Cleveland Browns,

500
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Speaker 4: is that you want to.

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Speaker 3: Take the best players on the board.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, for you taking Jeremiah Love with Quinn John Judkins

503
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Speaker 4: on the roster, it just doesn't make a ton of sense.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to take an off ball linebacker that early.

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Speaker 4: You just have Carson sweesh Er, the reigning defensive rookie

506
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Speaker 4: the year as an off ball linebacker. Now Downs you

507
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Speaker 4: could think about doing that. You you know, he'd be

508
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Speaker 4: kind of your third safety, maybe play some nickel and

509
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Speaker 4: you'd have him kind of be there with Grant and Ronnie.

510
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Speaker 3: And certainly that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I mean a long time ago you and I said,

512
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Speaker 4: you know, I'd love to get a stud wide receiver

513
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Speaker 4: and get Caleb Downs to be those b our two picks.

514
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Speaker 4: I don't know that they're you know you were hearing

515
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: there's a lot of love just from our conversations around.

516
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Speaker 4: People do really like Carnel Tait, some people really love

517
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: Jordan Tyson, some people like Lemon, but nobody's saying this

518
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Speaker 4: is Jamar Chase or Malik Nahbor.

519
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Speaker 2: No.

520
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Speaker 4: Now, okay, it's pretty lofty anyway, but the leading receiver

521
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: in the league this year was Jackson Smith and Jigmu

522
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: was picked, you know, twentieth. Prior to that, it's pretty

523
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: much been you know, you've had Ceed Lamb, who was

524
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: picked in the tea the tens. Yeah, somewhere in the teens.

525
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson was I think eighteenth yep in his But

526
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: there also doesn't seem to be that tackle that's Andrew Thomas,

527
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Speaker 4: you know, the way that he was regarded that year,

528
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Speaker 4: or even the way that Will Campbell, who had a

529
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Speaker 4: notoriously bad Super Bowl, was regarded last season, and you know,

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Speaker 4: you want to even forget those receivers in regard like that, Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's somebody I don't So far,

532
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Speaker 4: we haven't run into anybody that would say Ted McMillan

533
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Speaker 4: would be wouldn't be the first receiver in this draft?

534
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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no.

535
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Speaker 3: So we're in a little bit of a tough spot. Now.

536
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: The question becomes, can you entice somebody to trade up

537
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Speaker 4: to six if you did want to move back, and

538
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 4: what would you get for it, but you'd have they

539
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 4: probably have to be entice come up and take a

540
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 4: quote unquote non premium position player because those seem to

541
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Speaker 4: be the best players.

542
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Speaker 2: It's funny as you're saying that, like, the only guys

543
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: I can think of are if somebody fell in love

544
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: with Downs, somebody fell in love with love. I wonder about,

545
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: like would ruben Bain be somebody that somebody would want

546
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: to come up to six and get if he fell?

547
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's going to take something.

548
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: Now.

549
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: He's traditional, he's a defensive end, but like the other

550
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: two are non traditional in terms of going top six.

551
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's the thing that's going to

552
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: make this a little tricky to me. That feels like

553
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Speaker 2: kind of ideal if you're sitting there at six and

554
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: you can drop back and pick up another and still

555
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: get and still get tackle receiver tackle receiver, or at

556
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: least have some variety of it. I will say that

557
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: of all the folks we talked to today and the

558
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 2: folks we talked to last night, there wasn't anybody who

559
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: we talked to, And this is kind of where I'd

560
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Speaker 2: be interested see if the next two days hold up

561
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Speaker 2: to that. There isn't anybody we talked to who did

562
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Speaker 2: not have Carnell Taite either one or two. Yeah on

563
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: their board. Like most of the people we talked to.

564
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Speaker 3: Had him one.

565
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: Some people like Tyson a little bit more or whatever,

566
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: but he was always two. So and and when you say,

567
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: like is he worthy of six, there's some variety on that,

568
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: like however you define that just but you know, good

569
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Speaker 2: football player and at six three two hundred and like

570
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: I told you last night when we were bebopping around,

571
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean to me, like minimum, he's T

572
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: Higgins and he's not quite as tall as T Higgins,

573
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: but like if T Higgins weren't on the Bengals, he

574
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Speaker 2: would be a one I think almost anywhere else.

575
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look a Timbers and he put up When you

576
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 4: know Jamar Chase miss games a couple of years ago.

577
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Speaker 4: It's wild to me because I honestly think, like in

578
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Speaker 4: a redraft situation, T Higgins is a is a probably

579
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Speaker 4: a first.

580
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Speaker 2: So T's six four, two twenty so he's got him

581
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Speaker 2: in a little weight in an inch and he's been phenomenal.

582
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Speaker 3: I mean, look at his stats.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he went he was the first pick of

584
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Speaker 2: the second lad in the second round, like, and that's

585
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: part of the evolution of this league is that today

586
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Speaker 2: there's no way t Higgins.

587
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Speaker 3: T Higgins goes probably.

588
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Speaker 2: Top twenty for sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

589
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's changed about the value is in guys who

590
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: throw the football, catch the football, protect the guy throwing

591
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: the football, or guys who harass the quarterback or cover

592
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 4: the guys who are trying to throw the football. That's

593
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Speaker 4: really where the value is in terms of that's where

594
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Speaker 4: the money goes and free agency, those are where the

595
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 4: biggest contracts are. And so when you're able to draft

596
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Speaker 4: those people and get them on rookie deals at those positions,

597
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: there is an inherent value in that. It's a they're

598
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: majorly discounted. Ye, taking Jeremiah Love, let's call it five, okay,

599
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: like where Genti was taken last year, which was six.

600
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 4: I want to say, you're not getting You're getting them

601
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: at like what a successful running back would be getting

602
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: paid right right right before that, whereas with the receiver,

603
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Speaker 4: you're getting it at half a fifty percent discount. So

604
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Speaker 4: and same thing with tackle. Now we're gonna hear you

605
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Speaker 4: mentioned Daniel Jeremiah Beyond in a little bit later. You know,

606
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Speaker 4: there are some people here that do not have a

607
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: single tackle in the top ten of their overall, right,

608
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 4: and so so it goes back to kind of what

609
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 4: we're saying, let's get the receiver, we'll get some tackles,

610
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Speaker 4: we'll try, let's figure this out. But it's one of

611
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Speaker 4: those years where it doesn't feel like it's six. It

612
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: feels like if the Browns are to draft what they

613
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Speaker 4: would like a true, true blue chip player, it's probably

614
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: not gonna be at one of the positions that we

615
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: think they were drafting at.

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Speaker 3: Now.

617
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Speaker 4: That's not to say that Carnel Tate can't be that right,

618
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Speaker 4: but that might not be how he's graded, just like

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Speaker 4: pure against the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And we'll last Daniel Jeremiah where he

621
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Speaker 2: has these guys rated. He'll be joining us here at

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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes from now. Coming up next, we visit

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Speaker 2: We're back here at the Combine. It seems like we

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Speaker 2: blink and we're here. When you think about this year

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Speaker 2: specifically though new coaching staff obviously, and although some holdover certainly,

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Speaker 2: But what is this week like for you guys in

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll be honest, it doesn't change a whole lot.

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Speaker 8: You know, maybe the week's proceeding probably have the bigger

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Speaker 8: You're meeting the upcoming draft prospects, You're you know, you're

654
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 8: meeting with the representatives of your own your of your

655
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 8: own players, and you know, going through the glorious week

656
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 8: that is Indianapolis.

657
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: We talked last week a little bit about this.

658
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: This week is obviously about understanding learning a lot about

659
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: the players, seeing them on the grass with medicals really

660
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: kind of to kind of make sure everything jives with

661
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: what you've seen on tape. But you talked about free

662
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: agency and trades. That's probably the bulk of your work here.

663
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: Kind of just walk us through what that actually is

664
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: like to be the general manager in a week in Indianapolis,

665
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: with all the meetings and conversations and whispers and hey,

666
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel you out on this. Let me throw

667
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: this out there, see if you take the bait type stuff.

668
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say, like, you know, really most of the

669
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 8: week is draft focused. You do have a number of

670
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 8: of you may have trade discussions during the during the week,

671
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 8: but really most of the discussions with like you know, agents.

672
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: And that type of thing is with your own players.

673
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Interesting maybe in terms of the way that you guys go,

674
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: Like when your guys are out, you've scattered a full season,

675
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: the tapes, the tape, they have their impressions, You come here,

676
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: you do the medicals. There's going to be some meetings

677
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: that take place, obviously, but fewer and fewer these guys

678
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: are doing all of this stuff. How do you You're

679
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: going to have the in house visits, you're gonna have

680
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: pro DA's, all of that stuff. How do you kind

681
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: of balance importance of all of those things as you're

682
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: putting together this puzzle.

683
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, the important part, the overwhelming majority, is really

684
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 8: what they do in the fall and the conversations that

685
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 8: you have with individuals that have been with them their

686
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 8: entire college careers.

687
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 7: The rest of the spring.

688
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 8: It's a lot, and it's the most recent, but it's

689
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 8: it's really weighted the last because you're really trying to

690
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 8: answer maybe selective gaps coming out of the you know,

691
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 8: coming out of the fall scouting season. Obviously the medical

692
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 8: is a big part as as Nathan mentioned, you know,

693
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 8: you want to maybe dig in in terms of their

694
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 8: their football foundation because you have a chance to like

695
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 8: have them meet with your staff and and and you

696
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 8: know and other people. But it's it's probably maybe a

697
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 8: little bit more about you know, making adjustments on the

698
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 8: margins then maybe driving the meat of the evaluation.

699
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: If I was Prospect X and I you said, hey,

700
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: you make the cut, we want to talk to you

701
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: while I'm at the combine, what's kind of big picture

702
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: without of getting specific trade secrets.

703
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: I walk into this room, what happens.

704
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, So we we really try and create a relaxed

705
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 8: environment for the prospect because it's a busy week where

706
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 8: they're poked and productmatically, they're running, they're jumping, and they're

707
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 8: taking psychological tests, they're taking cognitive tests tests, and they're

708
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 8: meeting with you know, maybe anywhere from ten to twenty

709
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 8: clubs from eight am in the morning to eleven pm

710
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 8: at night, and so it's for the it's very grueling.

711
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 8: So what we try and do is we try and

712
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 8: create an environment that's a little bit more like a

713
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 8: classroom position meeting environment and essentially take them through a

714
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 8: combination of installation, like a small installation and then walking

715
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: through their own film to understand, you know, how much

716
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 8: of their own system that that they know.

717
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: So it's really.

718
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 8: Focused on football and football knowledge. We don't necessarily use

719
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 8: it so much for the other stuff because there are

720
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 8: better means and we usually have a pretty good picture

721
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 8: of who the person is coming into it, so we

722
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 8: really try and use it to dig on their football occupenty.

723
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: Is it kind of a fun exercise at aside, because

724
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: you how many meetings forty five It kind of to

725
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: say to get these guys get to your list of

726
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: forty five.

727
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you this, Nathan, Like, forty five

728
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: is plenty of slots the whole day, so maybe it's

729
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: harder to get in forty five, right, We got.

730
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 8: That's like yeah, sure, and then I think that's I

731
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 8: think that's probably accurate.

732
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: I love that no names, But are there guys who

733
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: you had a the tape told you one thing and

734
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: then you get in a conversation with him You're like, wow,

735
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: that's a non negotiable, that's an undraftable. If you have

736
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: those type of situations that happened or is that pretty real?

737
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 6: No?

738
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Not.

739
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 8: Usually, Usually you try and eliminate or at least we

740
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 8: take the approach where we try and eliminate that on

741
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 8: the front end. Yeah, that's not to say that there

742
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 8: are prospects that it's like, Okay, this may be on

743
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 8: the border, this may be on the fringe, and we

744
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 8: need to dig and investigate it, investigate a particular part

745
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 8: of their background a little bit further. And there are

746
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 8: some of those situations, but it's usually not driven from

747
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 8: like a you know, a twenty minute conversation. Again, that

748
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 8: could be a twenty minute conversation after the individuals had

749
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 8: a really long physical done, a bunch of testing, had

750
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 8: seven interviews, and it starts at ten forty at night.

751
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, tough spot when you bring in a

752
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: new head coach and who is going to be calling

753
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: the plays on offense. We have a new wide receivers

754
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: coach who was in the building, but obviously switch positions,

755
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: and we bring in George Warhop now at offensive line.

756
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: How does that integration work between them and you? Because

757
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: you've been kind of scouting for a similar scheme for

758
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: quite some time. To say, okay, here's how we're going

759
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: to kind of put look at these positions.

760
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 8: Now, yeah, i'd say it's particularly on offense, it's probably

761
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 8: a little bit less specific then maybe the defense beside

762
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 8: the ball. You know, there may be there may be

763
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 8: some you know, small priorities on the margin in terms

764
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 8: of what they may ask a particular position to do.

765
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 8: But it actually really isn't Maybe you see it a

766
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 8: little bit more in the offensive line. Right, if you're

767
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 8: a wide zone team, you're going to you're gonna prioritize

768
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 8: athletic lineman that can move, can run and get off

769
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 8: the spot. Whereas if you're a gap scheme offense, you're

770
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 8: gonna have size, power strength. But really, for like the

771
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 8: skill positions, I wouldn't say that there's usually too big

772
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 8: of an adjustment.

773
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Do you like when you have a coach who's like,

774
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: at the end of the edge, want the best player.

775
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

776
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 8: I think that's one of the things that drew us

777
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 8: to Todd, just like his flexibility, his ability to accommodate

778
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 8: a number of different skill sets, because ultimately it brought

779
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 8: into the player pool for you to find different avenues

780
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 8: to improve the team.

781
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: What has it been like, I mean, you worked with

782
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 2: Kevin for so long, and there was this this this group,

783
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: the two of you guys and now new coach in

784
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: the mix and Todd and he's got all the energy.

785
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: He's been waiting for this for a long time, obviously.

786
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: What's it been like for you?

787
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 7: That's been great.

788
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 8: I think I've been very fortunate, very blessed to work

789
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 8: with two A plus individuals. I think the other thing

790
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 8: was reflecting on this the other day is both have

791
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 8: like fantastic senses of humor, which always makes it, you know,

792
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 8: easier to work with someone who who doesn't take himself

793
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 8: too seriously and different styles of quite Yeah, but but

794
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 8: it's been it's been great to work with Monk. He's

795
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 8: really smart, he's really driven, he's very authentic. So it's

796
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 8: been a good it's been a good first month. What's

797
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 8: it been like to have two first round picks? You're

798
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 8: coming here with three in the top thirty nine and

799
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 8: two in the first round, and we went, you know,

800
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 8: quite some time without a first round pick.

801
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, how has that been?

802
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: Kind of as you look and I know you've done

803
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: such a good job moving around draft boards and now

804
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: you've got more ammunition than ever. Has that kind of

805
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: been fun when you're going through all your exercises to

806
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 4: get ready.

807
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been. It has been.

808
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 8: I think the ability to have access to a group

809
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 8: of players that you normally wouldn't be able to acquire,

810
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 8: it is exciting as you think about building the roster, especially,

811
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 8: you know, you think about this year and last year

812
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 8: in contrast that to the past three, you know, it

813
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 8: is it's a different it's a different challenge.

814
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: Like trying to play chess and being like, well, this

815
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: time I can actually entertain playing with a queen as

816
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: opposed to no looking at the queens this time.

817
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I almost put it as like, imagine you're,

818
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 8: you know, you're fishing in a pond and one has like,

819
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 8: you know, three trout per square meter, and then you've

820
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 8: fish in another pond and it has like three trout per.

821
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: One hundred square meter.

822
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, right, there you go, there you go.

823
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 7: So it certainly it certainly makes it. It certainly makes

824
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 7: it more exciting.

825
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Andrew had such an incredible draft last year. When you

826
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: look back on it, what were there certain things that

827
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: you could take from last year's process into this one

828
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: In terms of boy, we had this nail because it

829
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: felt like, man, that was an incredible draft last year.

830
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 8: Well, I think a big part of it is like

831
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 8: where your team is, and then the resource management piece

832
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 8: is enormous. I think that's one of the biggest lovers

833
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 8: we can pull, like taking kind of the pond analogy

834
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 8: for instance, like if you're fishing in the pond with

835
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 8: you know, with more fish, you're going to catch more.

836
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 8: It's as simple as simple as that. Where if you're

837
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 8: you know, fishing in the pond that's very sparse, it's

838
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 8: going to be you know, it's going.

839
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 3: To be tougher.

840
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 8: And that's why you know, when you know, we think

841
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 8: about like accumulating draft capital or trading down, you know

842
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 8: why we think it's a it's a you know, it's

843
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 8: a fruitful exercise, you know for us to have, you know,

844
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 8: really our first four picks I think would have been

845
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 8: higher than.

846
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: Our first pick in all but one of the past

847
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 3: two drafts. That makes a difference.

848
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 8: And also it also you know, maybe changes like whether

849
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 8: you're risk averse or risk seeking, you know, within that slot.

850
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 8: But the other piece of it is really probably less

851
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 8: constrained in terms of where we needed to go on

852
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 8: the roster or where we need to invest on the roster.

853
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 8: Because we were a team in transition, obviously there will

854
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 8: be a little bit more focus in in certain position

855
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 8: groups as we go into this draft. Not to say

856
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 8: that you're going to just draft because of need, because

857
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: we don't. We don't believe in doing that, but we

858
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 8: do think of it in terms of impact, and you

859
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 8: know that maybe creates a little bit of a strategy

860
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 8: depending on what we do with the veter market this spring.

861
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, ten picks, not only does it give you the

862
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: ability to make movement there, and also that's those can

863
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: turn into veteran players, which you've done a very good

864
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: job with. So there's there is a lot of arsenal

865
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: that you can pull from when you think about, you know,

866
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: your first draft to now, what's kind of been the

867
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: biggest change and maybe i'll say you as a general manager,

868
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 4: and also the trends of the league, because it's crazy

869
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: when you look back, it's that kind of how some

870
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 4: draft fell. Even as recently as twenty twenty to today,

871
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 4: you can tell the shifts and the trends in the league.

872
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think number one patience, you know,

873
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 8: Nathan and and and like understanding that you know, good

874
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 8: players come from all segments of the draft. I think

875
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 8: in terms of the trends with the with the league,

876
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 8: I do think that you've seen a sh shift over

877
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 8: the past six years in terms of, you know, when

878
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 8: certain positions come off the board, you know how quickly

879
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 8: some of the premium positions come off the board.

880
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 7: Some positions that.

881
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 8: Are becoming more premium to the league, you know, relative

882
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 8: to where it was six or seven years ago. To me,

883
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 8: those are those are probably the biggest changes.

884
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I think about what Seattle did

885
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: this year, and obviously there's some copycat nature to the league.

886
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: But you know, to get a guy who Jerneyman quarterback,

887
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: been around hit in Minnesota, great defense, big time weapon

888
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: in Jackson Smith and Jig, but really good upfront and

889
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: they ride it all the way to the super Bowl

890
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: and forever. It was like, if you don't get a franchise,

891
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: you get Tom Brady, got no chance, you get Mahomes,

892
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: you get no chance. It almost gives there's another avenue

893
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: here And I are you hearing that? And is it

894
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: something that you take notice of in terms of team building?

895
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say I'd say number one We're still very

896
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 8: much in a quarterback different league.

897
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you look at the teams, you.

898
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 8: Could look at you know, maybe even Philadelphia the year before,

899
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 8: you look at Detroit's build, even Seattle. Usually the team

900
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 8: that do that, I think they end up they end

901
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 8: up having a cycle where they have surplus assets right where.

902
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 7: You know.

903
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 8: Seattle they trade Russell Wilson, they get a bunch of

904
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 8: you know, they get a bunch of first round picks.

905
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: You know.

906
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 8: Philadelphia they do a big trade down and they trade

907
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 8: Carson Wentz, they get a bunch of picks. Detroit they

908
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 8: trade Matthew Stafford. Yeah, that really kind of launches their rebuild.

909
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 8: And I think fortunately we're in a position with the

910
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 8: trade from last year where we do have like a

911
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 8: pretty strong arsenal that hopefully, as it compounds over time,

912
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 8: we'll pay dividends.

913
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Speaker 4: Here in the in the in the short medium term.

914
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Speaker 4: Get you out of here on this one. For Browns

915
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: fans who are watching this and obviously eager to hear

916
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: your thoughts on everything. Free agency comes up, then we've

917
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: got the draft. What what can they expect or what

918
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: should they be looking for here in these next days?

919
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: Jimmy has them said, you know, one hundred and twenty days,

920
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: as we're rolling along in that, what should Browns fans

921
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: be looking for from your your side of things and

922
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: from this football team as we build this roster here

923
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 4: over the next you know, two months.

924
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that.

925
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 8: You know, we've always prided ourselves in being opportunistic and

926
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Speaker 8: taking advantage of whatever avenues would allow us to improve

927
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Speaker 8: the team, whether it's trade, whether it's a veteran edition

928
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Speaker 8: at cap cut. And then certainly you know, the draft

929
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 8: and how we move around the draft. You know, I

930
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Speaker 8: mentioned at the end of the year, I would expect

931
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Speaker 8: this to be more of an offensively focused offseason because

932
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Speaker 8: that's you know, that's where we need the most help.

933
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 8: But you know, the probably the biggest thing is we're

934
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Speaker 8: we're going to try and do everything in.

935
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Speaker 3: Our power.

936
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Speaker 8: To generate resources and then to apply them in the

937
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Speaker 8: most impactful area. So I guess maybe flexibility. Stay tuned, Yeah,

938
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 8: stay tuned. All right, Good, that's a hook, cliffhanger. He

939
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 8: gets the business.

940
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Speaker 2: That's right, Thanks, Ab, all right, I appreciate it, guys.

941
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: All right, great stuff with Aby. Always good to catch

942
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: up with him over here at the NFL scouting Combine

943
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. I do want to give a shout out

944
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Speaker 2: to our buddies with the Derby City Browns backers. Shout

945
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Speaker 2: out to Chapter President Dave Sokel and his wife birth

946
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Speaker 2: of the new member of the Dog Pound, Colton J. Sokele,

947
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948
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Speaker 2: a great sigil Brownie with in a little jockey uniform.

949
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Speaker 2: Looks very very strong, So congratulations to you guys out there.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Daniel Jeremiah will join us his thoughts

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952
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Speaker 2: NFL Network Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah Well real privilege here.

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00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Draft expert, joining us here on the program.

971
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: I can't believe we're here again. But the year flies

972
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: and away we go. Big picture, let's just start there.

973
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: This draft strength and weaknesses. Where they hit for you?

974
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 7: Yeah?

975
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 9: For me, it's pass rush draft like edge rusher wise,

976
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 9: it's really good. It's got guys at the top that

977
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 9: are worth going up there, and it's got guys kind

978
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 9: of really litter to the first four rounds. I think

979
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 9: you can find some real impact players there. I think

980
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 9: when you look at the broader picture of the league

981
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 9: right now, and you look at the last two Super

982
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 9: Bowl winners, you look at Philly didn't have anybody with

983
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 9: ten sacks, which is like half a season for Miles.

984
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 7: But didn't ten sacks, but they have waves of guys.

985
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: Yep.

986
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 9: Then you look at this year's Seattle nobody had ten sacks,

987
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 9: but they had waves of guys. What they were able

988
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 9: to do, it's keep guys fresh in games, but really

989
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 9: even more importantly, keep guys fresher out the whole season

990
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 9: and end of the postseason where they could you know,

991
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 9: be able to be at their best when their best

992
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 9: was required. So I think this draft really kind of

993
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 9: fits well into that narrative of being able to just

994
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 9: fortify that group, get some more depth up front. I

995
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 9: think receiver as is going to be the case for

996
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 9: from I guess from now to the end of time.

997
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 9: There's tons of receivers. It's just what the college game

998
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 9: has given us. So that would be the second most

999
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 9: deep position. And then it's a good group of corners.

1000
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 9: Day two off the ball linebackers is solid. So you know,

1001
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 9: quarterback positions a little light, running back positions a little light.

1002
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 9: So those are kind of the you know, the big

1003
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 9: picture views of the draft. But I will say, guys,

1004
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 9: I'm always always scouting, You're always evaluating, and of all

1005
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 9: the teams I've talked to, I have not seen a

1006
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 9: watch that comes anywhere close to as nice as the

1007
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 9: watch that you were wearing.

1008
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: Right, very phenomenal, picked big broadcast, Yeah, Factory over seven.

1009
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 7: That one wasn't in his cracker jack box.

1010
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: I can tell you that nice. You're exactly right about that.

1011
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: Well, we want to have nice things in Cleveland, and

1012
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: this is a team that obviously we've It's been stated

1013
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: by the new head coach, Todd Munkin as well as

1014
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: general manager Andrew Berry, we need to go shopping on offense.

1015
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: He gets six twenty four thirty nine. As you kind

1016
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: of look at those spots and kind of through the lens,

1017
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 4: maybe receiver, offensive line, how do you see those shaking

1018
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: out if you were kind of stacking your board. Is

1019
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: the gap from six to twenty four bigger a receiver?

1020
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: Is it bigger at tackle? And how you'd kind of

1021
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: approach that.

1022
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 9: That's a great question, and I think it's actually very similar.

1023
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 9: You know, there's some years who would say, look, if

1024
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 9: you need both, you got to take this one because

1025
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 9: you're not going to like what you get with that one.

1026
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 9: This year, there's a group of tackles I like in

1027
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 9: that range who I think got a chance to be good,

1028
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 9: solid players. I'm a Blake Miller fan I have. I

1029
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 9: think there's gonna be a little drum beat for him

1030
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 9: as we go through the process from Clemson.

1031
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1032
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 9: I tend to like guys that are, you know, big,

1033
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 9: have thirty four inch arms, thirty five inch arms, whatever

1034
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 9: he has do over thirty reps in the bench, jump

1035
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 9: over thirty inches, start fifty four games in college, have

1036
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 9: a wrestling call me crazy. I like those types of guys.

1037
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 9: So I think he's a really good player. Monroe Freeling

1038
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 9: from George has got a chance to be a solid starter,

1039
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 9: real athletic. Probably a little more development needs to take

1040
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 9: place with him, but those are a couple intriguingle tackle options.

1041
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 9: Then you get to the bigger wide receiver options. You know,

1042
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 9: we'll see what happens with Boston. I think is gonna

1043
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 9: run well from from Washington's a good player, big.

1044
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: Mid four force.

1045
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 9: He's going to run the mid four force he's supposed to.

1046
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 9: That's what he's kind of been tracking towards. So you've

1047
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 9: got him. I think Malachi fields a better athlete than

1048
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 9: people give him credit for at a Notre Dame. He probably,

1049
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 9: you know, is in that late one, early two range.

1050
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 9: You know, there's been narrative season, So narratives start getting

1051
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 9: formed and built, and I some of them I accept,

1052
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 9: others I push back on. But with him, specifically with Fields,

1053
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 9: it was ah. But the production, you know, he doesn't

1054
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 9: have as much production there at Notre Dame. And I said, okay, well,

1055
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 9: let me go back and pull up the top thirty

1056
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 9: receivers in the NFL this year. Look at you know, statistically,

1057
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 9: and I go, okay, well, geez, let's look at it here.

1058
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 9: Collins out of Michigan is last year, and then do

1059
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 9: a whole lot. He's pretty good. Yeah, Stefan Diggs at

1060
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 9: Maryland not a whole lot. I mean, I'm I'm around

1061
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 9: lad McConkie, Collins, charger games. I think he got twenty

1062
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 9: something balls his last year at Georgia. And I can

1063
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 9: go on and on and on all the way down

1064
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 9: to Michael Wilson from from Arizona at Stanford didn't do

1065
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 9: a whole heck of a lot. So when you're a

1066
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 9: receiver in college, you are offense dependent, quarterback dependent, situation dependent.

1067
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 9: So I think in long story longer, I think Malc,

1068
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 9: I feel is a really good Player's who's worthy of

1069
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 9: that late first round conversation.

1070
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: That was the name we heard last night out at

1071
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: the bars. Mister yes, great coach Sally's like he's a

1072
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: good player. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, he certainly did. And the

1073
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: Miller kids from Strongsville. So there's you know, there's some

1074
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: Northeast Ohio ties with that's pretty cool at six when

1075
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 4: when you think of those top end receivers versus the

1076
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: top end tackles, and I understand apples and avocados, but

1077
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: in terms of like, boy, I love the value there.

1078
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: Where do you see those?

1079
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: I would lean a little more to the receivers, just

1080
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: in terms.

1081
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 7: Of the grade that they carry. I like that the

1082
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: the two top tackles.

1083
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 9: I think for me, probably most people in Mauiinoa from Miami,

1084
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 9: who's a big, physical guy who's gonna dominate against a

1085
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 9: run right away. I think he can hold up at

1086
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 9: right tackle. I know some folks think he eventually graduates

1087
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 9: to guard, but you know, I like him a lot.

1088
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 9: He's like my twelfth player. You've got Fano from Utah, who,

1089
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 9: to be quite frank, a lot of it's gonna depend

1090
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 9: on how big he is and what he looks like.

1091
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 9: Because I like his tape a lot. They run the

1092
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 9: ball a ton. Yeah, so to me, you don't see

1093
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 9: him get challenged as much in the past game. I

1094
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 9: think he moves well, but I don't know like it.

1095
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 9: I haven't seen him a person.

1096
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: Is he narrow?

1097
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 7: Is he broad? You know? Kind of link does he have?

1098
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 7: Is he three fifteen, is he two ninety five?

1099
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1100
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 9: We don't have any measurables. So I'm anxious to see him.

1101
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 9: But those guys feel more ten to fifteen just in

1102
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 9: terms of their grade, whereas like Carnell Tait is like

1103
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 9: my six or seventh player somewhere in that mix signs up.

1104
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's right there. Up.

1105
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 9: You get the size, you get the speed, you get

1106
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 9: the big playability, and then you also get somebody with

1107
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 9: the leade character on top of all that stuff. So

1108
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 9: he's a great dude. So he's right there. Mikai Lemons

1109
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 9: as a pure slot is he's like my tenth player.

1110
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 9: So there's good options there.

1111
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 4: When you go through, just like the wide receiver position,

1112
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: what are the kind of maybe the most heavily weighted

1113
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: traits when you're scouting or somebody wants to go, you know,

1114
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: be the amateur scout, which everybody loves to do. Now,

1115
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: what are the things that you really look for that

1116
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: translate the most to success in the league.

1117
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 9: I think the underrated part is play strength. You know,

1118
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 9: I think you got to be able to be strong.

1119
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 9: You gotta be strong at the catch point. You want

1120
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 9: to be strong after the catch as well, so you

1121
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 9: can you can get through some tackles, but you want

1122
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 9: to go and win the whole thing, which is everybody's goal.

1123
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 9: Eventually going to get in the postseason, the space disappears,

1124
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 9: So you've got to have guys who can be ball

1125
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 9: winners and be strong. I love the scouting phrase just

1126
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 9: being grounded through the catch. You watch guys that run

1127
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 9: through the ball. You watch guys that leave their feet

1128
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 9: and have to corral and cradle the ball. You know,

1129
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 9: those are some of the things I always try and

1130
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 9: pay attention to.

1131
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the back, we talked about the three guys at

1132
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: the top with receiver. When we talk about some of

1133
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: the other ones, you mentioned the kid from Notre Dame,

1134
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: some of the other guys that can be out there.

1135
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: You mentioned the depth of this class at wide receiver.

1136
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: Who are some guys maybe twenty four, but maybe even

1137
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: into that second round, third round that you like.

1138
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 9: There's a bunch of them, you know, like, I'll give

1139
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 9: you an inchluent Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, who's really really

1140
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 9: strong and tough physical. You can use him in some

1141
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 9: gadget stuff too. You can throw him in the backfield.

1142
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 9: He did some of that at Alabama. I like Deon

1143
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 9: Burks from Oklahoma. I know, I'm like, there's certain guys

1144
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 9: who are like, Okay, I know I'm higher than consensus

1145
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 9: around the league on him. I'm fine with it. I

1146
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 9: think he's going to be really good. He played with

1147
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 9: some crappy quarterbacks at Purdue, and we got a crappy

1148
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 9: quarterback at Oklahoma the year before this year, he didn't

1149
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 9: had a lot of opportunity. Yeah, watch him work out

1150
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 9: and get back to me. He is dynamic and explosive,

1151
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 9: and he is one who can't stay cleats in the

1152
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 9: ground through the catch. I think he'll be, you know,

1153
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 9: somewhere in day two. Maybe it's a third round. I

1154
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 9: like him a little better than that, but I think

1155
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 9: he's a good player.

1156
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: Fan and obviously has turned into a real gem for

1157
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: us after that rookie season. You know we're going to

1158
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: get a second tight end in the mix here. How

1159
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: do he kind of like maybe those early late day

1160
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: too early day three tight ends and maybe with a

1161
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: little bit more maybe additional wise, somebody.

1162
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: That can be you know, Todd Munkin.

1163
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some.

1164
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 9: Good ones to me. Max Claire from Ohio State's my

1165
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 9: number two tight end. You know, it's just a matter

1166
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 9: of how high he's going to go. You go back

1167
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 9: and watch him at Perdue. By the way, God blessed Purdue.

1168
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 9: They lost a lot of good players. I feel like

1169
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 9: everybody I played at Purdue at some point feed them

1170
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 9: in the safety from all Organs and others of the one.

1171
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 9: They almost had a really good team uh at Purdue.

1172
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 9: But no, he's uh and Max Claire's is outstanding. If

1173
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 9: you you know, Stours from Vandy's a little more of

1174
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 9: a move guy athlete, but hand in the ground, I

1175
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 9: think Claire can give you that.

1176
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: That'd be good.

1177
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that certainly would. The one thing that we always

1178
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: talk about over here is is need versus best available

1179
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. If you're running an operation, how

1180
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: do you balance those things?

1181
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 9: I don't think you want to just you know, I

1182
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 9: think you get yourself in trouble when you're constantly trying

1183
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 9: to fit need and you end up and you look

1184
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 9: up and you don't have any blue chip players on

1185
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 9: your roster. You need, you need, you know, ten to

1186
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 9: a dozen of those guys to try and win anything meaningful.

1187
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 9: You got to have difference making players. So you can't

1188
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 9: get too carried.

1189
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 7: Away with that.

1190
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 9: I'm fine when they're similarly graded. Yeah, we need one

1191
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 9: of these guys. We're obviously gonna check him over that guy.

1192
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 9: But I'm not going to bypass a you know, Pro Bowl,

1193
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 9: Pro Bowl stud because we don't have a left guard

1194
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 9: right now, Like you just can't.

1195
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 7: You can't do that.

1196
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: But last one, coming out of l A out here

1197
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: to the cold, how are you doing? You're holding up?

1198
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: All right? You're doing?

1199
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 7: Do you stay inside out here?

1200
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 9: By the way I've been doing this is this will

1201
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 9: tell you how long I have done this, And you

1202
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 9: guys all appreciate this.

1203
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 7: I know how the game's played.

1204
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 9: I just got to give you, guys, Ohio State players

1205
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 9: and everybody Pat's and everybody's.

1206
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 7: To just say all the Ohio.

1207
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 3: State, Ohio State receivers.

1208
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna go We're gonna weapons weapons exactly.

1209
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: It's great.

1210
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: See anybody good, See you guys raft. Daniel's a great

1211
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: color commentator for the for the Chargers. That's a team

1212
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: that's right, one of the best. Appreciate you guys.

1213
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: Oh, there you go. From Daniel.

1214
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: Jeremiah coming up next, the godfather of Cleveland Brown's Daily,

1215
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: the VICTI will join us.

1216
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,319
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1217
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1222
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1227
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1228
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Speaker 3: Oh, the music could mean only one thing. The man

1229
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: don't make music like this anymore. Mis loins. Yeah, right,

1230
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: his loins. The Patriarch's great to see you. It's great

1231
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: to be here.

1232
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 7: That's why I had to use a walker to get

1233
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 7: in here, because those whites hurt all these years later.

1234
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 7: It's a lot of it's a lot of you know,

1235
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 7: think about a show a great deal, think about the magnitude,

1236
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 7: think about all this stuff coming out out of your lawrence.

1237
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot. I mean he would say that. Yeah,

1238
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, goodness, gracious.

1239
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: Alone, birth lawyer. You started that I did. Well, it's true,

1240
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: and it did.

1241
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: It is true.

1242
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: We got to see him earlier today in the in

1243
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: the gym. We had a little ship workout.

1244
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: Nice.

1245
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's and if you've noticed why he's so smiley

1246
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 4: and looks so tan, he's he's he's smarter than we

1247
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: are two and a half months in Florida, as he should.

1248
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 7: Be, a little bit well, just got away from the

1249
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 7: thank you, Yeah, yeah, a little bit away from the chill,

1250
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 7: although although it hasn't been completely Florida like so, but

1251
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 7: if I complain about I know, that's when I get

1252
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 7: the eye.

1253
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: Roll, Like, oh, let me ask you a question. Can

1254
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: you tell me the temperature the average temperature for the

1255
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: seven days prior to you fly here.

1256
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 7: The average day probably about sixties seventies.

1257
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: It was not eighties, it was it was it was nice. Yeah,

1258
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: let me ask you a question. Is that greater than

1259
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: twenty six? A little bit number? I mean, well, I

1260
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: mean I stayed school kids better? What about negative sixteen?

1261
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: Better than negative six?

1262
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 7: Actually I think it was negative twenty in Buffalo pipe

1263
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 7: burst in my house. So so that wasn't That's a

1264
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 7: real thing that happened.

1265
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 4: And you never want to get that phone call and say,

1266
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 4: I don't want to I'm not exaggering, but it's a dad.

1267
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 7: You got a catest yeah my daughter, Oh no, I'm

1268
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 7: sure that. Yes, And water was just pouring out of

1269
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 7: the base ceiling. You got to catastphe in our house.

1270
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 7: So I haven't seen it in person yet. I'm looking

1271
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 7: forward to.

1272
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: That, to look forward to it.

1273
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 4: And you know things are good when you're like, we're

1274
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 4: going to let the professionals right here in Florida and.

1275
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 7: All I can do is fret and swear.

1276
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: That's fine as the ornery. I want to be nice

1277
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: and smiley in the sun. That's what the beach and

1278
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: the pool are for.

1279
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: How much has this thing changed from your first combine

1280
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 2: to now.

1281
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 7: You know, it's funny the I talked about this with somebody,

1282
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 7: uh earlier today and I said, okay, Crown Plaza hotel

1283
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 7: where the players still gather, but back in the day,

1284
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 7: I want to say it was John Clayton, it was

1285
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 7: Lenn Pascarelli. Uh, it was Ira Miller yours. Truly there

1286
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 7: have been four, possibly five of us gathered there. And

1287
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 7: Ron Dayne remember that name running back Wisconsin.

1288
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: He was right.

1289
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 7: He was like the guy, uh, the featured guy in

1290
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: that draft. And we were at the little hotel restaurant

1291
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 7: and there was no security, nobody checking anything. I don't

1292
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 7: even think I doubt we had credentials. We just showed

1293
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 7: up pads and pens in hand, and Ron Daane, Hey

1294
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 7: Ron talking to him, and then somebody says, I think

1295
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 7: it was Clayton, said hey, Ron, can you get so

1296
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 7: and so player to come out and meet with us too?

1297
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 7: So players were getting other players to meet with us.

1298
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 7: There were no pr people. That's how it was done.

1299
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 7: That's how sophisticated it was. And the coaches coaches were

1300
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 7: a catch us catch can thing. It wasn't a scheduled

1301
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 7: podium coach or GM you you base worked the hallway

1302
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 7: and you saw your a guy you're and there was

1303
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 7: again almost no peer. I'm almost sure the PR staff

1304
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 7: didn't travel with the coaches.

1305
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 4: Gibbet was born too late. I mean this sounds like, yeah,

1306
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 4: of his capabilities. If that's the whole business, I mean, yeah,

1307
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 4: just completely all about the lurk. So that that group

1308
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: that you just listed obviously sad.

1309
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 7: It's sad, is yeah. See was Barrier right, one of

1310
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 7: the Chronicle, the Chronicle, one of the all time greats,

1311
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 7: Frank Cooney, another top name, John McClain was there from Houston.

1312
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: So it was you know, it was.

1313
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 7: It was a few and and what happened through time

1314
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 7: was the recognition of the central location that this is

1315
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 7: and how for a reasonable and this is what beat

1316
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 7: NFL beat writers were selling to their editors for a

1317
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 7: reasonably cheap price, you can get a lot of content,

1318
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 7: can get pre draft content, but you can also get

1319
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 7: good off season content. And and again a lot of

1320
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 7: this was pre for reagency, so you didn't have as

1321
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 7: much of the that level of off season discussion, but

1322
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 7: you had some. But no, there was not a network

1323
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 7: set up for uh, you know, the very Dan Pett

1324
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 7: or Rich Eisen Show or Serious XM set or ESPN's

1325
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 7: set or set or this set or any of these

1326
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 7: sets in here. It was a whole different world and

1327
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 7: and but a fun world. I mean, I don't go

1328
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 7: back with like, look on stuff, look at stuff with

1329
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 7: regret then or now.

1330
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: I just say it's different. You know, it's a whole

1331
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: different deal. So it most certainly is.

1332
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: And and by the way, you come here, other than

1333
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: what's going on in Florida where it was, you were

1334
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 4: luxuriating and relaxing, a.

1335
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 7: Little luxuriating, a little relaxy.

1336
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: You've had a little bit of a tumultuous few months.

1337
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: Hall Fame.

1338
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1339
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: John McDermott is out in Buffalo. Yeah, it was so

1340
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: in order.

1341
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the McDermott thing that I will say,

1342
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 7: I've been asked this question. Were you surprised? Can't say

1343
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 7: I was, And it's not because it's for this reason.

1344
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 7: If you're close enough to a thing, you sort of

1345
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 7: feel a vibe, and if you get a feeling. This

1346
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 7: feeling I had was dating back to this time a

1347
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 7: year ago with Sean, and I just got the sense

1348
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 7: that philosophically he was here and the general manager Brandon

1349
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 7: Bean was there, and they just weren't. They weren't really

1350
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 7: really meshing the way it should happen. Now it happens

1351
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 7: in successful organization organizations where they're meshing. Well, the bills

1352
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 7: have been successful, so you'd be saying, well, weren't they meshing? Yeah,

1353
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 7: but they but there really was a drifting a part

1354
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 7: of that.

1355
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: And you remember, go ahead, do you remember coming on

1356
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: our show in the playoffs and you said on our

1357
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: show in the playoffs that there was this gives them

1358
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: everything that you're saying right now. Yeah, And then I

1359
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: remember I think it was they gets fired the week

1360
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: after they.

1361
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 7: Lose or at Denver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then they have.

1362
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: What I would consider and these my words, Yeah, one

1363
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: of the most insane press conferences I've ever seen in

1364
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: my wife.

1365
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 7: No, insane's probably understating.

1366
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: And then they acted like everything was totally there was no,

1367
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: we're totally on the same page.

1368
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: Wait a second, nobody knows more than you.

1369
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 4: You were on with us the week before, you said

1370
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: exactly what went down, and then they're saying we're on

1371
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 4: the same page. The meanwhile they're like, no, he picked

1372
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 4: the key on Coleman. Coleman still a built by the

1373
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 4: way that was.

1374
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: Run him over. That run him over.

1375
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 7: It was yeah, no, the owner of the team, if

1376
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 7: you if you had to if he had to do over. Wow,

1377
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 7: Uh that was a rough one. But back to Sean,

1378
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 7: just the vibe I had, and I thought, if they

1379
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 7: had lost to Jacksonville, Uh in the wild card game,

1380
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 7: I would have probably I'm not a better I don't

1381
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 7: wager anything, but I might have wagered and say he's

1382
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 7: going to be gone with a first round bounce one

1383
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 7: and done.

1384
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: Lost.

1385
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 7: The fact that they won that game and survived, I

1386
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 7: started thinking, Okay, I think he's okay for this year,

1387
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 7: but I know he was.

1388
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: It was tenuous.

1389
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 7: I felt it was tenuous. Back to the schisms, you

1390
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 7: know thing and then uh, and then we know what

1391
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 7: happens after that. And but with Brandon being getting the

1392
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 7: additional title of president of football Operations, that to me

1393
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 7: was another level of the owner showing here's who we

1394
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 7: want to run the show completely. And when you're doing that,

1395
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 7: Brandon be Sean McDermott, who had a lot of power

1396
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 7: in that organization, Well, that made an overwhelming statement of

1397
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 7: the reason for the for his firing. And then Joe

1398
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 7: Brady gets the job, and I did. There is I

1399
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 7: have an ex account timeline. You could check it, I said,

1400
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 7: immediately after he was fired or shortly thereafter. Won't be

1401
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 7: surprised if the combo is Joe Brady had co coach

1402
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 7: and Brian day Ball as offensive coordinator. I knew day

1403
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 7: Ball was not going to be a head coach this cycle.

1404
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 7: I was positive that if he was going to do anything,

1405
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 7: he was going to be in OC. But what I

1406
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 7: didn't account for is that Joe Brady is also going

1407
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 7: to be the OC, and there would be no need

1408
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 7: for day Ball to take that job as OC, even

1409
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 7: though Pete Carmichael has the title now from Denver. But

1410
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 7: Pete's a veteran, more of a senior slash advisor kind

1411
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 7: of guy, the way John Foxx New Orleans he was,

1412
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 7: he was, and he had been with Sean Page, so

1413
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 7: where Joe Brady got his his mentoring from Sean. So now,

1414
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 7: of course Dave Ball takes the OC job with Tennessee.

1415
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 7: So he's got an OC job. He's actually going to

1416
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 7: run an offense and you know, coach Camore back to Buffalo,

1417
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 7: it's it's staying in house. There is a comfort level

1418
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 7: with Josh Allen. It's not the move Bills fans. They

1419
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 7: wanted something new and exciting and shiny and different. If

1420
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 7: you're not going to give us what we've had for

1421
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 7: ten years, that's been winning for ten years and getting

1422
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 7: in the playoffs for you know, eight or nine seasons,

1423
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 7: eight of the nine seasons and two trips to the

1424
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 7: championship game, well, I guess you know, we'll take something new.

1425
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 7: But no, it's not new, but it's the safe move.

1426
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 7: It was the safety of going with Joe Brady, who's

1427
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 7: got the familiarity with your most important player, Josh Allen.

1428
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: That's how they went. What was kind of just the

1429
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: reaction to how it went down.

1430
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 4: Mcderm it's been incredibly successful as the head coach, kind

1431
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 4: of turned that franchise around after some very very lean years.

1432
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: You get the comment about Kean Coleman. Then all the

1433
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: videos drop about you know where being is saying we

1434
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 4: went to sleep dead night. I knew we were getting

1435
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 4: our guy, Kean Coleman. Game in the draft room, he

1436
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 4: thrilled we got our guy. All of those types of things,

1437
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 4: and maybe that's something being a team player or not,

1438
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 4: but you know, he's drafted to want two Pro bowlers

1439
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 4: and all of his drafts.

1440
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 7: And yeah, in the ninth because he's been there as

1441
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 7: long as Yeah. Now, you can't col the twenty seventeen

1442
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 7: draft because and there was pro bowler there in Tredavious White,

1443
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 7: but that was a Seawan pick. They traded down from

1444
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 7: the tenth pick, where they would have gotten a guy

1445
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 7: by the name of it. I don't know if you've

1446
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 7: heard of Patrick Mahomes, but he's he's They traded down

1447
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 7: from that because Kansas City said, you know, could we

1448
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 7: take that town spot? Sure, and the Bills ended up.

1449
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 7: But again to say that history would have played out

1450
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 7: the same with Mahomes and Buffalo who knows, but he's

1451
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 7: a pretty good quarterback.

1452
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: Right, all right?

1453
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: So interesting, all these coaches got fired and all the

1454
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: gms stayed.

1455
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 7: Yes, and it was and in such an incredibly different

1456
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 7: cycle with ten openings like now too and the teams

1457
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 7: and again, you guys are part of this conversation here.

1458
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 7: But to also think that this is the cycle when

1459
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 7: John Harbugt, you know, gets top fired, Tomlin effectively gets

1460
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 7: fired and then McDermott and it's it's wild. I do

1461
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 7: think that back to your point about Coleman, where the

1462
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 7: owner of the team does no favors to Brandon Bean.

1463
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 7: I felt bad for Brandon Bean. He got put that

1464
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 7: put him in such an awkward position where now he's

1465
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 7: got to make sure he says, hey, I own the pick.

1466
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 7: I did the picking. I'm not running away from that.

1467
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 7: I don't need the owner. He didn't say this, but

1468
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 7: the owner of the team. But Terry Pegola was so

1469
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 7: strident in the idea that he wanted blame to fall

1470
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 7: on McDermott and the coaching staff that he and effectively

1471
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 7: he blamed Joe Brady because Joe's the one said I

1472
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 7: stood on the table, yes, and he names him coach.

1473
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 7: So so I don't know what the moral of that

1474
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 7: story is, but it's it's just the moral is Terry,

1475
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 7: who never spoke a lot to the media. In fact,

1476
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 7: I think it was the first time he had spoken back.

1477
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 7: I think the last time was at a meet league

1478
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 7: meeting in twenty nineteen or something like. Maybe you know,

1479
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 7: kind of keep it that way, Maybe maybe that's the

1480
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 7: way to keep it right.

1481
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: You know, And then you go from then to Belichick

1482
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame.

1483
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 7: So yeah, like I said, for all this really relaxing

1484
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 7: you thought I did in Florida. There wasn't a lot

1485
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 7: of relaxing. There was a lot of coverage of that.

1486
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 7: And then we do the Hall of Fame vote, so,

1487
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 7: you know, January thirteenth, we have our meeting. It was

1488
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 7: a zoom meeting started at you know, ten of the morning,

1489
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 7: ended at six at night. And and I I was

1490
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 7: convinced when it was over, we're not told the result.

1491
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: We as voted.

1492
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 7: Really we're not here, Yeah, we are not told the result.

1493
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 7: We walk out of that room or the virtual room,

1494
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 7: not knowing and finding out when everybody else does at

1495
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 7: you know, the Honors Show night. And then when the

1496
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 7: story broke from ESPN, and I was we were sitting

1497
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 7: in a in a we had had dinner, and I'm

1498
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 7: sitting with me and I'm going, I'm looking at my

1499
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 7: phone and going, holy smokes, you know, and I it

1500
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 7: just blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. I thought

1501
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 7: it was fake because Bill Belichick doesn't get it because

1502
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 7: it seems like I voted, not because I voted for him,

1503
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 7: but come on it, Phil Belichick was Bill Belichick was first.

1504
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 7: You know, it just all felt like it should have

1505
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 7: gone that way.

1506
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 3: It didn't.

1507
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 7: We know the rest of the story, but the blowback,

1508
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 7: the vitriol, the commentary of how they want to burn

1509
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame down with us in it. I

1510
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 7: think I voted it, you know, I just felt that

1511
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 7: was taking it way too far. I love the passion.

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 7: I love people being passionate. What do we do we

1513
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 7: feed that passion at least? And I love us that

1514
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 7: we do that. But I love that we do that,

1515
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 7: But I don't love that kind of reaction because it

1516
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 7: got so nasty and angry, and even people when people

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01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 7: found out I voted for Belichick. Bill's fans were calling

1518
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 7: me out for you voted for a cheater. You voted

1519
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 7: for a cheater? What's wrong with you?

1520
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: What does that say about you?

1521
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 7: And then, erroneously, Bill Pollion is called out for trying

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01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 7: to lead a campaign against Belichick. He never did anything

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01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 7: of the sort. In the minutes of the meeting will

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01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 7: prove that he also voted for Belichick. There's an auditing

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 7: firm that confirms that. He gets just railed by people,

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 7: and and then ESPN eviscerates him, you know, and it's

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01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 7: shows and I get they need a topic that but

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 7: why they went after is good. Uh and and as

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 7: I mean as uh, the best football mine I know,

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01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 7: and a guy from whom I've learned a lot of

1531
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 7: football and I consider a mentor and a and a

1532
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 7: and really a father figure in so many ways. Uh.

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01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 7: That bothered me to the core. And and I talked

1534
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 7: a lot with Bill through that. Fortunately Bill seemed to

1535
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 7: be handling it well. I leaned his wife did not,

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 7: and and I felt so bad for the whole family.

1537
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 7: And then and then Brian, who's you know over at

1538
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 7: John Carroll and he's he's been I know Brian since

1539
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 7: he was a ball boy for the Bills, and and

1540
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 7: I know how upset he was. And we spoke uh

1541
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 7: at length, and and I just felt like a family

1542
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 7: was attacked, and I'm part of that family.

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're going to take that. No, No, I

1544
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: don't like That'll.

1545
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 7: What's that?

1546
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 8: Bill?

1547
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1548
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 7: Bill worked for ESPN, No Bill for years?

1549
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 3: Yes, TVM radio, That's what I thought.

1550
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, did you feel coming out of that like

1551
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 4: one thing? I would to me, the way that it's

1552
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 4: been done has been the way it's been done for

1553
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 4: a while.

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01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 7: Right.

1555
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1556
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: But if Bill Belichick doesn't get in on the first ballot.

1557
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: To me, that means we need to examine how we're

1558
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: doing this.

1559
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 7: I agree the voting process, the voting process is going

1560
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 7: to be, or I shouldn't say is going to be,

1561
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 7: is being re examined to get in us to be

1562
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 7: in a circumstance where that can happen. And one of

1563
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 7: the I don't know if the words fatal flaw, but

1564
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 7: a flaw is that you have. And so the meeting

1565
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 7: was done in two segments. Segment one was the vote

1566
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 7: for of five the five individuals who were Belichick, Robert Kraft,

1567
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 7: and then the three senior candidates Kenny Anderson, L. C. Greenwood,

1568
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 7: and Roger Craig. So they're five in one lump and

1569
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 7: you're to vote for reduce that five to three. So

1570
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 7: my and again i'll disclose my vote. I voted for Belichick,

1571
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 7: I voted for Robert Kraft, and I voted for Roger Craig.

1572
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 7: And then after that voting is done and there's no

1573
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 7: more discussion. There's discussion during those sessions on each candidate.

1574
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 7: Then we took a break and then went on to

1575
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 7: the modern era candadates and spent the rest of the

1576
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 7: meeting on those guys and then ended up and then

1577
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 7: we ended up with the five. We had four from

1578
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 7: modern era and Roger Craig, well, you know the five.

1579
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 7: To get three from that group and meshing those together,

1580
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 7: I think felt not to me, feels like something that

1581
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 7: should be re examined.

1582
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: For sure.

1583
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 7: I'm not going to sit here and say I've got

1584
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 7: a perfect answer, but I do think we somehow need

1585
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 7: to clearly define that you're either a Hall of Famer

1586
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 7: or you aren't. It shouldn't be about, well, those are

1587
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 7: three players, and here's a contributor, and here's a coach,

1588
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 7: because some of the voters acknowledged. There was a voter

1589
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 7: in Kansas City who wrote a whole column about you

1590
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 7: saw the county whereas said, well, I knew everybody would

1591
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 7: be voting for Belichick and Craft, so I voted for

1592
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 7: the three players.

1593
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: Well you know that.

1594
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 7: And if you're doing that, if you're doing if you're

1595
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 7: confident that you can read Nathan Zer's fine, and you're

1596
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 7: and and and Gibbs his mind, and know that you

1597
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 7: know who's who's gonna how they're gonna vote, that's a no.

1598
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: I don't.

1599
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 7: And by the way we were I say admonished or reminded,

1600
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 7: don't vote that way. We were told that vote vote

1601
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 7: for who you think is a Hall.

1602
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 3: Of Famer periods and stay in that lane. Yeah.

1603
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing that's really hard is with this

1604
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: veterans guys. And I love Roger Crag like to me,

1605
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: he feels like a Hall of Famer, Like I get that.

1606
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 2: I remember him playing well and he was kind of

1607
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: the ultimate weapon, well ahead of his time. But he

1608
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: like Kenny Anderson does they were on the ballot for years,

1609
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, close, yes, and Ken Anderson's spot. There was

1610
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: a call in I read out of a guy in Cincinnati,

1611
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: and and Kenny wasn't close as a Hall of Famer

1612
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: in all the times when he was a modern or

1613
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 2: a guy right right, And all of.

1614
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: A sudden, So what's changed, right? I think they run

1615
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: into issues there too.

1616
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 7: And in twenty twenty four the rules changed in terms

1617
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 7: of how the voting process, you know, how these are

1618
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 7: bunched together. And I can't answer the question of why

1619
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 7: those decisions are made above us as selectors. And again

1620
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 7: we're volunteers, but we hope we are keepers of the game,

1621
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 7: like the torch the flame. We're in that room because

1622
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 7: we love it. We spend the time and the hours

1623
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 7: we do because we love it. We get ridiculed and

1624
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 7: chastised for what we did because.

1625
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 3: We love it. That's part.

1626
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 7: It just goes with the turf, just like anything else

1627
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 7: we do. But but your point is well taken as

1628
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 7: to I mean, I'll take a step further. I think

1629
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 7: it's going to lead to more elimination. Last year, the

1630
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 7: coach this didn't get anywhere near the blowback. But the

1631
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 7: coach who got left out of the process was Mike Holmgren.

1632
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 7: Mike Holmgren was should have been a Hall of Fame

1633
01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 7: selection last year.

1634
01:13:59,439 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

1635
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 7: It went the group ended up being four and we

1636
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 7: were all shut. I'm sitting again watching the honors with

1637
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 7: my wife and here in Florida last year, not here

1638
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 7: down there, uh, and we're watching it and I'm and

1639
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 7: after the fourth name was announced, I said, and there's

1640
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 7: no end for the fifth name and the sixth name,

1641
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 7: and well.

1642
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 3: That was it before the best buddy, so good. It's great.

1643
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Speaker 7: Enjoy this, Yes, yeah, both, I love you, love you,

1644
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Speaker 7: anybody love you guys?

1645
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1646
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Speaker 7: Can you put stuff back in the loins.

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Speaker 2: this it's a lot.

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Speaker 7: Who's the hospital sponsor of the show is university. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the books, my friend, a couple of headlines out there,

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Speaker 2: nothing too.

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01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 3: Big, newsy.

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01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: Usually that's usually we wade into it. Sometimes you get

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Speaker 2: a big, a big home run right out of the gates.

1680
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 2: But another full round of coaches and gms tomorrow, and.

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Speaker 4: It feels like, maybe, you know, people are adopting the

1682
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 4: philosophy of one of the great insiders. They have big stories,

1683
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 4: they're just gonna sit on them, and so maybe you know,

1684
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 4: we don't know when they're gonna change then change. Yeah,

1685
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 4: so we'll see how that goes. But yeah, no, not

1686
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 4: a ton of news. Andrew Berry obviously spoke Toda, Kevin

1687
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 4: Stefanski spoke today. Now in the past that would have

1688
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 4: covered our unit. But Todd Munkin will be speaking tomorrow,

1689
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 4: the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, nothing, nothing

1690
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 4: huge there. I think, you know, just confirmation of things

1691
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: that that we knew, which was, you know, the j

1692
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,520
Speaker 4: Okay looks unlikely to play, that this is a linebacker

1693
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 4: draft that the Browns can find somebody. I think obviously

1694
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 4: Devin Bush is the first Domino that you want to

1695
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 4: see fall, And obviously if you're a Browns fan, you

1696
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 4: want him to stay with the Cleveland Browns, as he

1697
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 4: played at an elite level last season alongside Carson Swessenger.

1698
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been fun. It was great.

1699
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 4: M Daniel Jeremiah step By stopped by and a little

1700
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 4: bit of you know, how the Sauces made. We were

1701
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 4: we could talk to him forever, but Ab was here

1702
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 4: and I had to kind of we had to abbreviate that.

1703
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

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01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 2: Well that's one of the weird things that happens at

1705
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: the combine. We are a couple of minutes into a

1706
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: conversation with Daniel Jeremiah, who we love talking to and

1707
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: normally would talk about keen eyes Jeremiah. So and then

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01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: Ab walks over. Yeah, so Aby's early typically he was

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01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: we were thinking he'd be around one up around noon

1710
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: is when he stop I. So we are interviewing Daniel

1711
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: Jeremiah about what we should do in the draft as

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: our general managers three feet away, standing there and standing

1713
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: there and listening during the entire which I didn't know.

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 4: During some of my questions because he's an eyesight for you.

1715
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 4: But I was like, and then I saw a sudden

1716
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 4: he acknowledged h I'm like, WHOA, Okay, all right, I

1717
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 4: think that's that's a little bit.

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01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 3: That's wild. It's a little bit of a wild thing.

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01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 3: That's the combine though. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What's very cool about what DJ does is you know,

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01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 4: he is so thorough and did a great job on

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 4: the on the call. I always listened to that on

1723
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 4: the way over, and you know, it's it's got to

1724
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 4: be so interesting in his role. You know, I would

1725
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 4: think about it like if if I were in my

1726
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 4: current role as the you know, the the color commentator

1727
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 4: for the Browns on radio, as he is for the Chargers,

1728
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 4: but then I had this other job where I was

1729
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 4: basically telling every team you know, or telling the world

1730
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 4: my rankings on prospects. Yeah, how I think teams attack

1731
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 4: certain things. That's a very interesting, yes, kind of dichotomy

1732
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 4: there it is, and you know that's I'm sure I

1733
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 4: would guarantee. Obviously he has the charge. I'm sure he

1734
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 4: talks with the GM of the chargement for the conversations

1735
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 4: all the time about it. It's kind of a nice

1736
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 4: little asset to have in here, you know, get a

1737
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: little more bang for your your commentator buck there.

1738
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that was kind of a unique situation

1739
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: right there. But yeah, not a ton of news.

1740
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 4: And I think on our side it's going to be

1741
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 4: you know, what you see happen, what you see when

1742
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 4: free agency opens. Yeh, that'll shape some of the needs

1743
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 4: of the draft that I'll also tell you really what

1744
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 4: we think about some things. You know, like there are

1745
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah does not have a tackle in the top ten, right,

1746
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 4: So does that feel rich? Then it's at six? Yeah,

1747
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 4: if that's if that's the board that we have. So

1748
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 4: does that lead you to say, oh, then we'll take

1749
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 4: Carneal Tate there? Does that lead you to say, oh,

1750
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: Carnel Tate's off the board. If we don't love one

1751
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: of these other receips versus having we're trying to trade down,

1752
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 4: is there a trade partner do we just take? Do

1753
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 4: we go completely off script and shock the world, which

1754
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 4: in many ways I think we did last year. Maybe

1755
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 4: it was an off script to them, but Mason Graham

1756
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 4: Carson Swesster, if you told me the first two picks

1757
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 4: were going to be a defensive tackle who was not

1758
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 4: known for being a pass rusher in college, right, and

1759
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 4: an off ball linebacker who was a former zero star

1760
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 4: one year starter at UCLA, I would have said, Yeah,

1761
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 4: I don't think so, probably not, No, probably not. But

1762
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 4: that's what happened. And by the way, the Swessenger pick

1763
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 4: in particular is pure genius. I think a lot of

1764
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: the reason that you know Andrew Berry is still here

1765
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 4: when a change was made is that draft. Yeah, and

1766
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 4: Carson Swessinger, Harold Fannon, Quinhawn Judkins in particular stand out

1767
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 4: from that draft, and Mays Gram had a solid season,

1768
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, Oh, for sure.

1769
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: And I think it, you know, for our purposes as

1770
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 2: content guys, ideally the combine would probably be after free

1771
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: agency for content, Yes, from our perspective. From their perspective,

1772
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But this is our one chance to

1773
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: kind of talk to everybody, and so much of what

1774
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: you're going to do in the draft is predicated on

1775
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 2: what you've done in free agency, and especially for us

1776
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,919
Speaker 2: where we have these massive needs up front, we playmaker

1777
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 2: all the time. Second tight end. We talked to Janel Jeremia,

1778
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: We talked to all of our guys about Okay, well

1779
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: sec tight end in the third, fourth round, Well, we

1780
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: may sign one in free agency, and then that's not

1781
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: something that's an issue anymore, you know. The the mg

1782
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: Emerson piece of that, like, is that something that is

1783
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: sorted out by the time we get to the Emerson

1784
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 2: Hickman bush bulls are things that have to be sorted

1785
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: like are those things sorted before the draft? Yes, they

1786
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 2: will be, they're not now. So the line of questioning

1787
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: around it's a little bit different. So I think, you know,

1788
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: I think that's part of it too. The other you

1789
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: know thing, a couple other things just from us, from

1790
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 2: Abe's big press availability, Joel Botonio working through his decision

1791
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: on what he's going to do next season. Obviously more

1792
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: than welcome back, you'd love to have him back. Sounds

1793
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 2: like Luke Whippler, who heard his knee in the season finale,

1794
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 2: will be ready to start the seat, and so that's

1795
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: very good news on that. And then the other thing,

1796
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: and we saw j w on On on Big Play

1797
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: and then Ab talked about this as well. Isn't opposed

1798
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: to an open quarterback competition heading into camp, Todd will

1799
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: have this say on that tomorrow, and that's going to

1800
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: be fascinating how he kind of describes how he envisions

1801
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: that process playing out for sure.

1802
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 4: Because you know he's got to have a plan, you know,

1803
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 4: he and you know, I was thinking of what you

1804
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 4: were saying earlier about the com I think part of

1805
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 4: the combine is that they can feel things out and

1806
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: then they can say, Okay, let's let's do this in

1807
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 4: free agency before the draft, which is why it's here.

1808
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 3: You're right for them.

1809
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 4: I in fact, I almost wish like free agency was

1810
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 4: like now, like if this week was free agency blitz,

1811
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 4: this week's you is going on now while everybody's here,

1812
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 4: and we be unbelievable. If they did that, Yeah, the

1813
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 4: content would be stunning. That would be so fun, be

1814
01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 4: so much fun.

1815
01:22:59,160 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1816
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could even have like you come here, it's

1817
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 4: the first week is free agency. The second week is

1818
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 4: like the full combine interviews and you do.

1819
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 3: Like, what are you gibbing? Now? You've been two weeks

1820
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: over here? Now we don't no, no, no, we don't.

1821
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 3: We don't have to beat no. Oh thank god. No, No,

1822
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: we would pick and choice. I could do no days

1823
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 3: in Indiana a year. That's it. That's all I'm doing.

1824
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 2: Look at you got excited. He got excited. You're talking

1825
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: about the combine. Yeah, just figure out what you're plotting.

1826
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: Zigura just he just proposed a two week NFL combine.

1827
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,480
Speaker 2: Two weeks in Indianapolis, first week free agency, second week combine.

1828
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 3: You imagine? And I said, what are you giving? Who

1829
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 3: gets hurt? Nothing more?

1830
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like, I don't sleep well in hotels.

1831
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: I never sleep.

1832
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: Did you find your I found my room to be

1833
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 4: so hot and I had it down to see and

1834
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 4: I could not breathe.

1835
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, mine, mine was quite comfortable.

1836
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sark was like that too. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah,

1837
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1838
01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 8: That.

1839
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: That was confusing. That was that break and then I'm

1840
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 3: gonna then the hands up. I don't know break.

1841
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 6: Jordan Reid's been delayed by someone, someone's not playing by

1842
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 6: the rule.

1843
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Do you have eyes on him?

1844
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 6: I did, and then I lost him. Yeah, so so

1845
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 6: I don't have him. No, but there's a lot going on.

1846
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 6: Everybody's got like a five hundred foot backdrop over there.

1847
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 3: I think. I think this sounds like a job for

1848
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 3: young Gabriel. Where is young Gabriel.

1849
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 6: He's getting getting He's getting mentored by one of the best. Yeah,

1850
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 6: that's a good ye, that's what this is going on.

1851
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 6: That's why I'm like, I gotta with him.

1852
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 3: Kids.

1853
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 5: He's showing us video of you back in.

1854
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 3: The day in a Randy Moss Marshall. Yeah, Randy Moss Marshall.

1855
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: It's pretty chef. That would be a fun thing to do,

1856
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 3: Like if you brought them all in.

1857
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 5: We were just talking about he's way to Jersey guy.

1858
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1859
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have tubs and tubs of them. Now, why

1860
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: don't we have take break and we'll see what happens

1861
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: here on the other side.

1862
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 3: I got an idea, Why don't we take a break

1863
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 3: and then we'll see what happens. Sounds like a great idea?

1864
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 6: Great?

1865
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: Does that seem like? Okay radio producing.

1866
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: This is Combine Week presented by Bullseye Event Group for

1867
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,240
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1872
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1876
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: All Right, Welcome back in Cleveland Browns Daily. Combine Week

1877
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: presented by Bullseye Event Group. Tomorrow, Todd Munkin will be

1878
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: at the podium. Be fascinating to see that first time

1879
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: he's been. I know you've talked to him at various

1880
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: events since and see him quite a bit, but in

1881
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: terms of the media, first time since the hiring press conference,

1882
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: get his thoughts on where all this stands, and then

1883
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: he'll be by to join us tomorrow.

1884
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 3: You're gonna love it. I mean, I know you already

1885
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 3: love it.

1886
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: I've missed him because I was out when the press

1887
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: conference happened, and so I haven't seen him yet since

1888
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 2: it's been back. But I'm excited to see him, can't

1889
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 2: wait to talk to him. And it's cool there is

1890
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: I think it'll probably hit him. I'll ask him this tomorrow,

1891
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: one of us will. My guess is that it will

1892
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: hit him tomorrow truly that he is the head coach

1893
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Browns, because this is the first time

1894
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: where like, there's only thirty two of us. I'm one

1895
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: of them, and we're all meetings with that coach as

1896
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: oh oh yeah, yeah. So there's this kind of welcome

1897
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: to the club moment that happens only over here. And

1898
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: we've had this conversation with you know, Freddy Kitchens years

1899
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: ago and then had it. I remember having it with

1900
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: Kevin vividly, and the first time that he come on

1901
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: with us after he did the you know, the podium

1902
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: and the scrum and you do like the big national

1903
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on, and then and you come over

1904
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 2: and I you know, it'll be cool for him. I

1905
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: think about it, think about how long he waited and

1906
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: how many times he was bridesmaid, not the bride on

1907
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: on so many of these coaching searches and then to

1908
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: finally get it, my hunches. It'll hit home tomorrow, like

1909
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: and you're one of thirty two.

1910
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

1911
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any doubt. And I think he's

1912
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 4: going to be. He's going to be great with all

1913
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 4: of it. You know, I'm really excited for him. This

1914
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 4: is the culmination of a lifelong dream. It is something

1915
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 4: that you know, he came back to the NFL literally

1916
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 4: to accomplish this. He chose the Ravens and working with

1917
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson so that he could be where he will

1918
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 4: be now was the head coach of the Cleveland Brown

1919
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: So I'm very excited for him. I think it is

1920
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 4: a very very cool story. And yeah, I think that

1921
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: tomorrow is going to be for him, this whole experience

1922
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 4: will be. Yeah, this is very real. Now we got

1923
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 4: my stat together and now we're here and like, let's go.

1924
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 4: We've got to put this football team together and get

1925
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 4: ready to go and win and make sure you know,

1926
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,839
Speaker 4: we don't play bad football. Oras he has a particular

1927
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,839
Speaker 4: word for that, and that we play good, winning football

1928
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 4: that you know, our players, coaches, and.

1929
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Then a fans can be proud of. In terms of

1930
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 2: a roster reconstruct or construct basis, you probably have to

1931
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: go back to like Hugh to find a coach that

1932
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: has this much that needs to be filled. Now it's

1933
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: all offensively, but theoretically it's four out of five on

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01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 2: the offensive line, certainly need to get a weapon, got

1935
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 2: to get the quarter. I mean there's a lot of

1936
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: questions offensively in terms that have to be filled over

1937
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: the next two months. Yeah, because because Kevin, the roster's

1938
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: kind of set like you need it, you know, like, okay,

1939
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: you need to tackle.

1940
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 4: They got Conklin and Austin Hooper that first year. He

1941
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 4: brought an Andy Janovic, So it's like three kind of

1942
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 4: big three pieces there. But you had already had you know,

1943
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 4: Odell and Jarvis were here six and that Joku was here,

1944
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 4: Baker Shubb was here.

1945
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Speaker 3: Denzel offense, I mean yeah, yeah, for sure.

1946
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really not a whole lot of whereas this

1947
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: off season for us, it's a there's a massive influx

1948
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: of talent that's going to come into this.

1949
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: We talked about it.

1950
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 4: If there's twenty four guys on the offensive side of

1951
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 4: the ball on our final fifty three, my guess is

1952
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 4: twelve to fourteen will be new. Where then the defensive

1953
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 4: side of the ball, it's going to be a handful

1954
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 4: of guys that I knew that are more bottom. You're

1955
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 4: talking about your starters on offense, you know from a

1956
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 4: year ago, you're gonna have the same starter at running back.

1957
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 4: You are going to have Judy Yep, that's two. That

1958
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 4: might be the list because if you consider Davin Joku

1959
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 4: the starter at tight end, and now it'll be Fanning

1960
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 4: the other receiver. I guess Cider Tillman technically was the

1961
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 4: starter early in the year, but my guess is that

1962
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 4: will be Bond or somebody else, or certainly he'll compete

1963
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 4: for it. But you're offensive line potentially could be five

1964
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 4: new hopefully Dwand is back. I mean, it would be great.

1965
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 4: Dwan can be your right tackle. That's the other thing

1966
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 4: you have to think about. You know, Dwan was certainly

1967
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 4: much happier at right tackle than left tackle.

1968
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

1969
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 4: Can whoever you draft be a left tackle right or

1970
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 4: the best both right? Yeah, exactly, And that's one of

1971
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 4: the things that we you know, we've learned here today.

1972
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 4: It's like we've you know, done a deep dive on

1973
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 4: these guys yet. So it is certainly from that standpoint, Yeah,

1974
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 4: it's going to be a new look offense, and it's

1975
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 4: going to be the offense that you know, Todd wants

1976
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 4: it to be real quick. For I know we were

1977
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 4: running out of time, but I just got to give

1978
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 4: a shout out to Jacob Bridgeman, who had his first

1979
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 4: tour win this past weekend at Riviera. He was the

1980
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 4: guy when I went down the memorial and I got

1981
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 4: talked with two guys. It was Matt Koocher and him.

1982
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 4: He was the young guy from Clemson and so I've

1983
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 4: kind of like followed him. He was in contention at Pebble,

1984
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 4: had a chance to win in and then at riv

1985
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 4: he was like blowing the field away. I think through

1986
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 4: three holes on the last day, was six up going

1987
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 4: in the last round. Yeah, birdied two of his first

1988
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: four holes, then kind of got it, got nervy, and

1989
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 4: he ended up having to make a three foot plot

1990
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 4: on eighteen with Tiger Woods and everybody there watching after

1991
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 4: he lagged from twenty feet and left it like three

1992
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 4: and a half feet.

1993
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Short, and after he watched Rory chip in.

1994
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, watch Rory makeot which was that turned out to

1995
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 4: be worth six hundred grand for Rory. That putt going

1996
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 4: in well he needs it. Yeah, barely making ends me. Yeah,

1997
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 4: that's t barely make amends me. Tomorrow will be Todd

1998
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 4: Munkin Day, which would be very very exciting.

1999
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Speaker 3: Look forward to that.

2000
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