1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the White House has paused all 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: federal grants. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today. 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Talking points memos, Josh Marshall looks into how Trump's spending 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: freeze impacts everyday American life, and we'll talk to California 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Attorney General Rob Bonta about how Democratic augees are writing 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: back against Trump. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: And first the news Somalie saying I told you so 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: in this era is a not very helpful thing to do. It's, 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: if anything, I think, depressing. But all we have seen 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: for days on days is just Project twenty twenty five 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: coming true exactly how we said it would, and it 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: makes me want to slam my head into a table 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: more than anything else. 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: What I would say is this, It's not surprising. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: It's week two of Trump and Trump is now implementing 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: some of the nuts and bolts of Project twenty twenty five. 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: You and I know all about this because we did 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: a whole YouTube series on this in July about Project 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So none of us are particularly surprised 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: by this. But it is chaotic and upsetting and pretty 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: much exactly what we thought it would be. So I 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: just want to talk for a minit about the ethos 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: of Project twenty twenty five. So Project twenty twenty five, 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: it was called the Mandate for Leadership. It was a 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: large book of ideas, a sort of wish list of 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: the things that Republicans desperately wanted, and on that wish 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: list the idea. And Thomas Zimmer, who was a Georgetown professor, 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: talked to me about this this summer and he pointed 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: out that the whole idea here is that the first 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 1: Trump administration was of policy failure, that they weren't able 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: to implement the really radical stuff that they wanted to do, 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: and that was Project twenty twenty five. As people started 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: to google it, it got very unpopular because they started 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: to learn about it, and what they learned was that 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five is largely. 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: About removing a lot of. 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: The social safety net that was put in to practice 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: by FDR Right, A lot of the stuff that is 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: either set up to protect people to give them a 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: possibility where there's something between, like you know, to get 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: them back on their feed. That that needed to go, 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and I want to add that that needed to go 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: to make way for tax cuts for very rich people. Remember, 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: Trump is pruning the federal government, not because the federal 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: government doesn't work, but because really, really, really rich people 49 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: do not want to have to pay taxes at thirty 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: eight to forty forty five percent. They want to pay 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: taxes at twenty percent ten percent. And for them to 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: do that, that would mean that the federal government has 53 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: to do less stuff for people. And so part of 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: this is enacting the product the Project twenty twenty five agenda. Now, 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration, there was a guy who 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: was the head of the Office of Management of Budget 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: and the OMB. The Office of Management and Budget is 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: set up to duel out the money that Congress puts 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: towards different things. The idea is that Congress is supposed 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: to decide what money goes to what. But what happened 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: when Russ Faugh was the head of OMB the last 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: time was that he decided he didn't think money should 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: go to Ukraine. Money that Congress had allocated to Ukraine, 64 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: he decided that it shouldn't and so he held that 65 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: money and ultimately that led to Donald Trump's first impeachment, 66 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: right the quid pro quote no aid for Ukraine if 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: you can't get me dirt on Joe Biden. Oh how 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I long for those halcyon days of the first Trump impeachment. Anyway, Well, 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: we still had a mainstream media and a few Republicans 70 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: in Congress who were not total shills for Donald Trump. Anyway, 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: the point of this story is that now we have 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Russ Vought. He's waiting for Senate confirmation that is supposed 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: to happen on Thursday. This timing is not so good 74 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: for him because if there are any Republicans who have 75 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: a spine, and maybe there are two, and perhaps there 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: are more, if you call them every day, I mean 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, if you jam their phone lines and 78 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: you call your senator right now, or call your congressman 79 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: right now, and you just keep calling, even if they're 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: a Republican, they get hundreds of thousands of Jesse. 81 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: You know this, Jesse. 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: What happens when members of Congress get hundreds of thousands 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: of phone calls. 84 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: They get very very shock. And we've seen proof of 85 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: this before that a lot of the time when you're 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: getting these calls, it is not going to pause your 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: deepest conviction. Like the thing people get wrong about this 88 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: is that when you are as Zella, Mike Pence has 89 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: not changed his mind on abortion, but something he's squishy 90 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 3: on and doesn't really care that much about, like whether 91 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: Cash Bettel gets through or not, Well that might change 92 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: a mark Wayne Mullen if they fear the wrath. I 93 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: think there's gonna be a lot of wrath felt this 94 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: week about Medicaid, which we're going to be talking about soon. 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: That with the congressional phone lines getting flooded right now. 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: And I know this because I'm married to somebody who 97 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: takes these calls, it's very very very very easy to 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: sway them on the things they are persuadable on. 99 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: So anyway, the point of this is that if you. 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: Call your senator, if you call your congressman, and you 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: say to them, do not approve Russ Bobb, do not 102 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: go along with letting Donald Trump have the power of 103 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: the purse, because Congress is really giving. 104 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: Away its power here and that is what we're seeing. 105 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Anyway. So this omb memo came out yesterday. It says 106 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: that five o'clock on Tuesday, which is when we are 107 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: taping this, but you will be listening to this on Wednesday. 108 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: It says at five o'clock on Tuesday, all federal. 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: Grants and loans will paused. 110 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: So all White House federal grants loans will be paused 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: by five o'clock unless there is a court injunction. I believe, 112 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: and again I could be wrong. You guys know, if 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: you listen this podcast, you know I'm never wrong. But 114 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: except when I am, I believe that what's happening here 115 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: is that there's going to be an injunction and that 116 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: this is going to have a code to the Supreme Court, 117 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court is going to look at it 118 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: on the shadow docket because what Donald Trump I actually 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: think wants to do here is a repeal of the 120 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four Impoundment Act, which made it so that 121 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: the president could not stop congressionally allocated money from being distributed. 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: I actually think this is a legal play. 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: As much as it's trying to freak everyone out, I 124 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: also think it is a legal play. 125 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's wrong. Somali, I am a Doo, 126 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: follows the AI thing very very closely. Starting around Friday night, 127 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: everybody started talking about this deep seek thing that happened 128 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: from China, where China basically made an AI model for 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: one one hundredths two one one thousandth of what many 130 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: of these AI people were talking about building something like 131 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: this for that is much more efficient. Now while some 132 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: people have said it has some holes in it, that 133 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: is kind of a team of AI in that it 134 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: looks really nice but has some very big falls when 135 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: you look under the hood. But Trump was about to 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: give five hundred billion dollars in AI initiative, and uh oh, 137 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: that's not looking so on. 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, this is another Chinese app that's causing 139 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: problems in America. 140 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: Not to be confused with TikTok. We don't know what 141 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: the play is. 142 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: We don't really know how good this AI is and 143 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: whether it's better than the homegrown American AI, but we 144 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: do know that China is yet again perhaps eating our lunch. 145 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: Maybe not, we'll see. 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: I think the most interesting thing though, is Nvidia's stock 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: falling by over six hundred billion dollars in a day, 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: being one of the largest losses, and really a lot 149 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: of people feel like this is now Trump putting a 150 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: very bad investment from our text dollars into something and 151 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: yet to get a funnel towards rich people. 152 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I would say is we 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: don't know if it's real or not. Because you'll remember 154 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: that Trump trotted out that Sawbank CEO in twenty seventeen too, 155 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: So who knows, I mean, I. 156 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you know. 157 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Maybe he made the investment, maybe he just had pretended 158 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: to make the investment. 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: No one knows, No one knows, solid point. 160 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking Points Memo. Welcome 161 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: back to the podcast, Josh Marshall. 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. 163 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: I had always thought that Project twenty twenty five was 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: the plan because they kept saying project twenty twenty five 165 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: is the plan, except when Trump was like, no, no, 166 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: never heard of it, never heard of it. 167 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was run out of his campaign basically, 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: so that was always a good indication. 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: By his people. 170 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean almost literally out of his campaign. 171 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, is this the day that the American 172 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: people like sort of thread the needle and are like, 173 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: oh wow. 174 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think last night is when we saw, you know, 175 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: the collision come into view. I'm not sure that a 176 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: lot of people are going to realize it today because 177 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the headlines that people are seeing 178 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: are quite making it clear in that case. I'm not 179 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: even sure in every case that that is a failure 180 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: of the media. Although there's plenty of that to go around. 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: It's difficult to capture quite what's happening. I mean, I 182 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: think the you know, substantively what the president is doing 183 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: is he's doing kind of a unilateral government shutdown on steroids. 184 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: It is both less than a government shut down in 185 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: some ways and very much more in other ways, and 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: that obviously has all sorts of implications. Again, it takes 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 4: a lot for things to break through to people, but 188 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: I think we're I think we're pretty much there, because 189 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 4: this is going to show up pretty quickly in a 190 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 4: lot of areas. There are the hot button things, and 191 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: then there are the more in some ways more mundane 192 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: things but that people will see in their own neighborhoods, 193 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: in their own lives. 194 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: I just want to pause for a minute and talk 195 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: about how this is actually kind of legal, right. It's strange, 196 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: it's unusual, but it's also technically like, I mean, I know, 197 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump doesn't really care. There is a thing the 198 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four, a post Nixon 199 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: anti corruption statute, which created a world where the president 200 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: cannot withhold funds because he wants to. 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Now, Russ vought in Trump one point zero. 202 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: You'll remember he withheld the money for Ukraine and that 203 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: led to Trump's first impeachment. 204 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: Right, Well, there's two levels of this. First of all, 205 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 4: what he's doing here is on its face, I think 206 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: on constitutional this isn't just a matter of statute law, 207 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 4: and it's not just a technicality. Basically, I think most 208 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 4: people would agree that a president has some discretion at 209 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: the margins of how to what pace to spend moneys 210 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 4: that are appropriated and ordered to be spent by Congress. 211 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: At the margins is the key thing. After President Nixon 212 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 4: tried to do very small and focused versions of what 213 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: President Trump appears to be doing now, and that led 214 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: to creating this Impoundment Act that you just referred to. 215 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 4: And what that act does is it basically says that 216 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 4: if the president wants to say, okay, this, I'm going 217 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: to slow down or stop this one area of funding, 218 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 4: he has to go to Congress and get approval for that. 219 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: So that's what that is. No one at the time 220 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: envision this, which is basically I'm going to stop all 221 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: spending everywhere for everything, which is basically what he's doing. 222 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: But I think the key thing to understand here is 223 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 4: that this isn't just a matter of violating the Impoundment Act, 224 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 4: which the administration will certainly say is unconstitutional. It's also 225 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 4: what he's doing here is unconstitutional and in the most 226 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: basic level that the Congress is in charge of spending, 227 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: that's where spending is decided, and what he's doing here. 228 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: If the president can do this, the Congress's control over 229 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: spending becomes basically meaningless. 230 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: Right. 231 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: So it's taking away power from a co executive branch, 232 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: which was again part of Project twenty twenty five. Right, 233 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: the idea was give as much power as possible to 234 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: the presidency, stripped the executive branches from their power, make 235 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: him the boss, the big boss. I'm curious now here 236 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: we are. We've sort of gone down this rabbit hole 237 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: the reading reporting. You know, the Republicans in the House 238 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: are having a meeting in durral in the Trump deraw 239 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: right under the floodpath to talk about their legislative agenda, 240 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: which is largely a tax cut for very rich people 241 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: and trying to take stuff away from the federal government, 242 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, trying to cut Medicare and trying to do 243 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: anything they can to save money so they can give 244 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: these billionaires a tax cut. The reporting I've read so 245 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: far shows that the Republicans are pretty reticent to challenge Trump, 246 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: despite the fact that there is no world in which 247 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: any of this is okay. Are you surprised at all? 248 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: I'm not surprised. There's clearly no appetite to challenge him 249 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: at all. I think that I'm only surprised at what 250 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 4: he's doing in the sense that he is doing it 251 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 4: on a blanket level, which will not only hit the 252 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: things that he wants to hit, but will hit the 253 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: things that I think he's much more indifferent hitting, but 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 4: will show up pretty dramatically for people everywhere. 255 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: It's the chaos of Trumpism. 256 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: Right, It's the chaos of it. And I think that 257 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: at the scale in which you know, as of eleven 258 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 4: forty three on Tuesday morning, he seems to be doing it, 259 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: it will have pretty dramatic and immediate not only showing 260 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: up when, like you know, the local daycare center has 261 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: to shut down like next week, but also will be 262 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: a big jolt to the economy. This is going to 263 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: have effects that people are going to see, and at 264 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: that point, we're going to have to see what everybody 265 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: wants to do about it, because I think we have 266 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: seen very clearly, if it comes to a norm or 267 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: what you know, I guess we now call technical illegalities, 268 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: Republicans don't care. You know, they don't care when it 269 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: comes to things you're relative in long term care. If 270 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: the long term care facility shuts down again next week, 271 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 4: people are going to see that, right, and then you're 272 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: going to have to That's a different kind of conversation. 273 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: And I don't have any certain expectations what that conversation 274 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: is going to produce. It's but it's a different conversation, 275 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 4: and I think that's that's why this is a This 276 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: is a big deal. This isn't like, oh, we're gonna 277 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to send you know, some 278 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: anti tank missiles to some country you've never heard about. 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: You It's actually like aid to your grandma, which she's 280 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: been getting this whole time, and now she's not going 281 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: to get it because Donald Trump says. 282 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: Now, well, Molly, let me say one additional thing that 283 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: I think is important for people to think about most 284 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: cancer research in this country. Trials that cancer research, basic research, 285 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: all of it. Most of it's funded by the federal government. 286 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: What this does it immediately stops all of it. And 287 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 4: that just doesn't mean things in the distant future. That 288 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: means things will stop because the people doing the research 289 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: don't know when the next check is going to come. 290 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: So these things are again things that most people who 291 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: are casual observers of politics think that these are things 292 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: that are just kind of on autopilot that are never affected, 293 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: but they will be effected if what he is now 294 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: saying he will do he actually does. 295 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: This is the accelerationist case for trump Ism. If Donald 296 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Trump were John Roberts and he were very cunning and 297 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: wanted to slowly dismantle the administrative state so that no 298 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: one would notice, we would be looking at a very 299 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: different week two, right, we'd be looking at a week 300 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: two that was don't worry, those Democrats are such liars. 301 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: We just want to trim the fat of the federal government. 302 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: But that's not what Donald Trump is, right. Donald Trump 303 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: has moved fast and break things. So what we're looking 304 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: at is a real sea change. Right, we're looking at 305 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: a real American government that will be much smaller if 306 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: they're able to pause almost all of it. 307 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: Smaller is an understatement less functional, right, Well, think of 308 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: it this way in terms of what is not affected, 309 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: what does not appear to be affected is a the military, 310 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: and b salaries or government employees, which obviously is the 311 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: big deal to government employees. And then direct payments from 312 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: Social Security and medicare okay, those things right there are 313 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: most of the federal budget. But that leaves kind of 314 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: everything else the government. The federal government does, and a 315 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: huge part of what the federal government does is contract 316 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: for lots of things to happen. It gives money to 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: state and local governments to do various things, run schools, 318 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: run hospitals, blah blah, blah, blah blah. A lot of 319 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: medicaid is in the form of grants. It's not to 320 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: individual people. So it's not just that it'll be smaller 321 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: and less functional. In a basic way, it'll stop doing 322 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 4: almost everything it does because everything that it does outside 323 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 4: of again the military and checks to those two programs, 324 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 4: and that's only direct checks. The check that actually goes 325 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: to you personally, there's a lot of stuff that is 326 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: grants to hospitals and blah blah blah blah blah. So 327 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: it is honestly a little hard to understand exactly what 328 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: their plan is is. I think basically what they're really 329 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: trying to do here is two things. One is force 330 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: the principle that the president is in charge of all spending. 331 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 4: So take that power back. And once you take the 332 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: power back, you know, you probably decide, Okay, I want 333 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 4: to do this, that and the other, but first you 334 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: want to kind of set the principle. The other thing 335 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 4: is I think that they want to take all of 336 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 4: these different kinds of spending and have the stakeholders, you know, 337 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: hospitals when it comes to Medicaid and medicare, schools around 338 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: the country when it comes to all that funding, blah 339 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Wants to get all these stakeholders to 340 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 4: kind of come hat in hand to the president, well, 341 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 4: you know, what can you do to make it worth 342 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: his while? Those, I think are the two things that 343 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 4: are going on here. Because this doesn't just go to 344 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: fund the woke mind virus right or whatever they call it. 345 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: It funds a lot of things that they want too. 346 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah too, and again I think, look, people don't like answer, right, 347 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 4: It's very unpopular. And I think that when you hear 348 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 4: something like that, because look, I mean in a more 349 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 4: serious vein. Obviously, cancer has impacted all of our lives, 350 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 4: some more directly than others. But when you hear something 351 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 4: like that, that's shocking. But that's what this does, and 352 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: it's not an exaggeration. It shuts all of that off. 353 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 4: So it's going to get everybody's attention. 354 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: And I think. 355 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: It's worth just pausing for a moment and talking about 356 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: how the things that the federal government does besides cancer 357 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: research FEMA, right, I'm thinking about the stuff that in 358 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: the Health Department, a lot of that stuff. Trump said 359 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: he had a mandate, and the mandate was He's going 360 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: to make things cheaper, right, like that we were going 361 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: to if there was anything that was all a little 362 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: bit of a mandate, it was this idea that was 363 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: going to make things cheaper. 364 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: So here we are. 365 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: Now we have this bird flu, right, which is all 366 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: these chickens have to die because they are spreading this 367 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: bird flu. 368 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: So that is a thing that. 369 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: Will actually make eggs even more expensive. So that is 370 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: a thing that the federal government has been monitoring, and 371 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: if it's on pause, that is going to increase the 372 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: likelihood that there will be more unmonitored cases of bird flu. 373 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: Am I right, yeah, I mean the bird flu situation 374 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: is very ominous. Even if you figure none of this 375 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: was happening. You know, the big thing happened almost a 376 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: year ago now where it moved into the cattle. That 377 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: seems to be ongoing, So that is a big, big 378 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 4: deal even if none of this was happening. I don't 379 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 4: know offhand the precise mix of surveillance and monitoring on 380 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 4: that front that is from you know, government employees versus 381 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 4: grants and loans and blah blah blah blah blah. But 382 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: putting a huge jolt into the federal bureaucracy short circuiting 383 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: a lot of the funding will unquestionably hobble that effort. 384 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 4: There's no way it can't. It's difficult to describe how 385 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: widespread this is, and again, as with so many things 386 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: with Trump, it's a little hard to say is this 387 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: going to still be the policy tonight? How carefully was 388 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: this thing written? If you look at it, it doesn't 389 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: seem terribly carefully written. And by that I'm not trying 390 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: to kind of give people, you know, solace. Like the 391 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: point is is that this is really coming into the 392 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: classroom with the battle axe and you're swinging it around 393 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: and like, are you going to kill all the kids? Well, 394 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 4: you know it's not great, but it's so jagged. Who 395 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: knows exactly who's going to get hit? 396 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: Right? And this is the move fast and break things right. 397 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: This is like by design set up to be non 398 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: specific and to be you know, quite problematic. I want 399 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: to talk through something with you that happened this weekend, 400 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: which was the appointment of Pete Heagseth to the DoD. 401 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: He is unqualified, he is likely has some issues with 402 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: the drink. He has certainly some many allegations of sexual misconduct, 403 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: and perhaps. 404 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: More are violence misconduct. 405 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there's just many reasons to be skeptical of 406 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: disappointment for any number of reasons. I want to talk 407 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: for a minute about Mitch McConnell voting against him, because 408 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: despite the fact that Tillis was expected to vote against him, 409 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: and then somehow, after meeting with him for two hours, 410 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: he decided it wasn't Who knows what the calculus there was, 411 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: But I'm just curious what you think about the idea 412 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: that Mitch mcconnald voted against him and what you think 413 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: that could portend. 414 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: It may pretend that we are entering the dark Mitch 415 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: era for Trump, Right, that's possible. We know who Mitch 416 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 4: McConnell is. We've lived with Mitch McConnell back deep into 417 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 4: the Obama era. Having said that, it is also true 418 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 4: that many of the things that are happening right now 419 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 4: are going so far rogue that it shouldn't surprise us 420 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 4: if extremely conservative, extremely cynical people say is a bit 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 4: much for me, I can't go with you on Matt thing. 422 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: Having said that, Having said that, plus, I think it's 423 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: clear that you know Mitch McConnell has a bit of 424 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: a polio. Is a bit of a sore point for 425 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: Mitch mcconnal's. 426 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: Many people are saying, yes. 427 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So that is an issue. Having said that, 428 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 4: there's also another possibility, and I think this is actually 429 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: something coming up with RFK Junior specifically, there's one scenario 430 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: where someone like Mitch McConnell says, hey, I can't support 431 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: this guy. I'm going to vote no, or in the 432 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 4: background says I'm not going to like try to actually 433 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 4: sink it for you. There's another scenario, and I'm against 434 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: talking specifically about the Kennedy confirmation process, where what I 435 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: hear from people who are kind of working that confirmation 436 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: on the anti side is that they think there are 437 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 4: potentially as many as six or seven Republicans who will 438 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 4: vote against him. So what they are working on now 439 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: is they are trying to do everything they possibly can 440 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 4: to make sure there are no democratic defections, because if 441 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 4: there are democratic defections, it's much easier for Publicans just 442 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: to say, hey, if you guys, aren't you know, just 443 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: to go ahead with all of that. There is also 444 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 4: they're looking very closely at McConnell because again, he probably 445 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: votes against But there's a scenario where again McConnell says, 446 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: indirectly to the White House, I'm going to vote against, 447 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 4: but I'm not really going to try to, you know, 448 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: screw you guys here and make it fail, or he 449 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: can say I'm actually going to use my remaining influence 450 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: and try to get those six or seven to vote no. 451 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 4: So I don't know quite where. I don't think we 452 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 4: know yet where McConnell's is on that spectrum of doing 453 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: just his votes, kind of sending a you know, kind 454 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: of a vote for posterity and legacy or is it 455 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: something a little more And I don't think we I 456 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: don't think we know yet. 457 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: I agree. I also American Democracy the final season. Stay 458 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: tuned everyone. Yeah, Oh, thank you, Josh Marshall. 459 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 4: Thanks a lot. 460 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Rob Banta is the Attorney General of California. Welcome too 461 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: fast politics. You're actually general, right General Banta? 462 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 4: Attorney General Banta A G. Banta? 463 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: In general you are general though, right general? 464 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: So you are the general of the great State of California, 465 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: fifth largest economy in the world. So this summer we 466 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: interviewed a bunch of attorneys generals and we talked to 467 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: them about the plans that you guys have put together 468 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: for what would happen if Donald Trump was elected. 469 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: And are of doing these. 470 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: Post constitutional to quote Russ Vought, sort of jiu jitsu 471 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: on the federal government. So talk us through is this 472 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: what you thought it would be? Is it worse than 473 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: you thought it would be? And explain to us what 474 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: is exactly happening here. 475 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 4: It's what I expected. 476 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, And when I say that, I mean unfortunately day 477 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 5: one and the immediate days that followed actions that violated 478 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 5: the law, violate the constitution. That's his brand, that's what 479 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: he does. It's what he did in Trump one point zero. 480 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: It's what he said he would do. 481 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: It's what he said he would do. 482 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 5: He channeled it, he indicated it the whole time and 483 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 5: telegraphed it. Now he's doing it, so not a surprise. 484 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 5: And the Attorney generals, the Democratic attorney's general in the 485 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: United States, have been working together for months preparing for 486 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 5: the possibility of this moment and now the reality of 487 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: this moment. We've been meeting, we've been thinking, we've been 488 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 5: looking at what he says he's going to do, what 489 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 5: is inner Circle says he is going to do, what 490 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five indicates he might do, and preparing 491 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 5: for every scenario so that we're ready. And we believe 492 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 5: that preparedness and readiness is the best antidote to the 493 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 5: threats that are coming, and we should be ready as 494 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 5: soon as an action is taken that we believe was 495 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 5: unlawful to go to court to stop him, and we 496 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 5: did that with the Birthright Citizenship Executive Order on day 497 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 5: one he issued it. 498 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 4: The end of the. 499 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 5: Day on day one of his inauguration. The next morning, 500 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: we were in court with the filing. We had the 501 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: briefing and the filing ready. We just had the dot, 502 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 5: the i's, cross the t's press print and file it. 503 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 5: Because he said he would do it. We prepared for 504 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: that scenario and we are ready to file now. We 505 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 5: have a restraining order of stopping him from the unconstitutional 506 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 5: executive order attacking birthright citizenship, and that's. 507 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 4: Our plan for all the things he might do. Now. 508 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 5: Will he surprise us with something up a sleeve that 509 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 5: he hasn't talked about that he decides during the course 510 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 5: of his administration to do. For sure, we'll be ready 511 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 5: for that too. We're watching every action that he takes, 512 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 5: including the Office of Management and Budgets memo last night, 513 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 5: and we'll be ready to act as appropriate on any 514 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 5: action he takes that's unlawful. 515 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if you could explain to us a 516 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: little bit about since you're in California, I wonder how 517 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: surprised you were when he started going after FEMA. 518 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 5: Not surprised, certainly disappoint it. I think very unfortunate to 519 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 5: even go down that route and consider conditioning funding for 520 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: disaster relief when people have lost everything and are in pain, 521 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 5: and when there's a tradition in the United States of 522 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 5: America for the federal government for presidents too immediately and 523 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 5: decisively and quickly deploy massive resources to states hurt by disaster. 524 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: President Biden did that for Florida and for Texas when 525 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 5: they were hit with devastating hurricanes. That was the right 526 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: thing to do. He didn't ask if they were Red 527 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 5: states or blue states. He said they were with Americans 528 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 5: who need help, and they deserve it, and they're going 529 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 5: to get it. That's exactly what mister Trump should be 530 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 5: doing here. He ran for and is the president of 531 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 5: the United States of America, not the president of the 532 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 5: Red States of America and the Blue states. If they 533 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 5: do the things he wants and follows the right conditions, 534 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 5: that's not how it works. So he's trying to condition 535 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 5: FEMA funding on a potential voter id law when there's 536 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 5: absolutely no evidence of any widespread voter fraud, or on 537 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 5: a new water policy when there is nothing about California's 538 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 5: water policy that helped they contributed to the fires in 539 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: La So entirely different policies unrelated to the fire at hand, 540 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 5: and a potential distancing and different approach than what every 541 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 5: president of the United States of America has done before. 542 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 4: So it's a dangerous game. 543 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 5: It's inappropriate, and I think and expect that he will 544 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 5: provide the funding because of the disaster, and he came 545 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 5: to La. Our governor met him on the tarmac, met 546 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 5: with leaders in La. He was able to survey the damage, 547 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: and I hope and believe that after seeing that damaged, destruction, devastation, 548 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 5: the pain that Americans are in, he will do what 549 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 5: every president has done before and provide the fighting without conditions. 550 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: California pays more into the federal tax system than it 551 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: gets out now. Right now, it needs a gazillion dollars 552 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: because the fires. But historically, you guys are a like 553 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: New York where I live a net. You guys take 554 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: care of the red states that don't pay as much 555 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: into federal taxes. 556 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if you can. 557 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there must be like a palpable anger even 558 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: from Republicans in California about how unfair it is to 559 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: pay so much into the federal government and then in 560 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: your hour of need be you know, nickeled and. 561 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: Dimed hundred percent. 562 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 5: We are a massive donor state, the fifth largest economy 563 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 5: in the world, the tenth pole of the American economy. 564 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 5: We give more, far more billions and billions of dollars 565 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 5: more to the federal fisk and purse than we receive 566 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 5: back in federal funding. We subsidize other states, many of 567 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 5: them happen to be red states, including the great State 568 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: of Louisiana, where Speaker Johnson is from. And he's talking 569 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: about conditioning the FEMA funding. Very ironic that he might 570 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 5: be doing that given the state that he's from, in 571 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: the state that he's talking about, California and Louisiana, it's 572 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 5: well known in California that we are a donor state 573 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 5: and that we put money into the federal government's fisk, 574 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 5: and that in a time of need, like a national disaster, 575 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 5: we should be receiving the funding, no questions asked. So 576 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 5: of course it's disappointing, it's frustrating. Unfortunately, it's not surprising. 577 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 5: We think we're going to work through this. Mister Trump 578 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 5: is talking about certain conditions, but I think when it 579 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 5: comes down to it, the funding will be provided without conditions. 580 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: So there are a couple of issues here. One is 581 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: this sort of extra legality of it. One is this 582 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: certain kind of political calculus of it. Do you talk 583 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: to Republicans and do they see how this could hurt 584 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: them in the state. 585 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Republicans in the state are asking for funding 586 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 5: from FEMA without conditions, rightfully so, and I'm grateful that 587 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 5: they are. They're fighting for their state. They don't want 588 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 5: their state to be treated differently than every other state 589 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 5: that's ever received disaster relief in America. 590 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 4: They want us to get the funding. 591 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 5: There are people hurt by these wildfires from both parties. 592 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 5: Wildfires don't see party. They just ripped through communities and 593 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 5: destroyed everything and took everything from Republicans and Democrats alike. 594 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter what your party is, Your people, 595 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 5: your Americans, and you should receive the funding and that 596 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 5: should be the end of it. 597 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could sort of talk us through 598 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: some of the other things at the federal level that 599 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: we're seeing Trump World, you know, trying to pull back. So, 600 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: for example, tonight at five o'clock, there has been an 601 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: omb memo which will pause almost all discretionary spending in 602 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: the federal government period paragraph, what can you do as 603 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: a state attorney's general for your state? 604 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: And what does this look like? And how destabilizing is this? 605 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 5: It's very destabilizing. It's a shocking act of unlawfulness. It 606 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 5: threatens students in college who are only in school because 607 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 5: they have federal student loans. 608 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: Those are pelgrams, right, that's right. 609 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 5: And also children who receive subsidized food programs like Snap. 610 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 5: And these are programs that need to flow consistently with certainty, 611 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 5: not be paused or stopped without any notice without there 612 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 5: being great harm being done. And the President, unfortunately has 613 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 5: shown and continues to show, both in the Trump administration 614 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 5: at one point zero and the current Trump administration, that 615 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 5: he likes to do what he wants, when he wants, 616 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 5: how he wants. And that doesn't fit well with our 617 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 5: democratic structure. It doesn't fit well with separation of powers, 618 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 5: with checks and balances, with the rule of law, with 619 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 5: the Administrative Procedures Act, with budget being allocated and restricted 620 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 5: for certain purposes and not for others, and so he 621 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 5: ends up violating the law consistently. Unfortunately, it's not a 622 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 5: lot to ask and shouldn't be a lot to ask. 623 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 5: To ask for a president who complies with the law, 624 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 5: who follows our constitution. We my office, the California Department 625 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 5: of Justice, sued him over one hundred and twenty times 626 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 5: in the Trump one point zero administration, and we won 627 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 5: over two thirds of the time, meaning a federal judge, 628 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 5: a neutral decided that mister Trump was breaking the law 629 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 5: two thirds of those times, and a judge found that 630 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 5: already with his day one action attacking birthright citizenship. So 631 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 5: his action, which he seeks to be effective at five 632 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 5: o'clock today. 633 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 4: Is very damaging. 634 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 5: There's a lot of real lives that would be adversely impacted, 635 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 5: severely harmed, and we are looking at all of our options. We' 636 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: working through the night to be honest with other states 637 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 5: preparing potential actions based on the illegality of his action. 638 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Can you explain to us sort of what a Californian's 639 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: life will look like if Trump's federal government free is like, 640 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: it won't just be college, It'll be like, for example, 641 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like if you're in a clinical trial, 642 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: if you rely on any kind of research, if you write, 643 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, what other aspects of everyday life do the 644 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: federal government control for people in California? 645 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 5: I mean the same that they impact every American in 646 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 5: every state. As you mentioned, there's massive grants and federal 647 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 5: outlays for health and human services, for research, for the 648 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 5: safety net, healthcare programs, for Medicare and Medicaid, and you know, 649 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 5: there's Social Security. But I think he's specified in the 650 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 5: memo that some of those things will be exempted. But 651 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 5: I'm painting the picture of the mass of social service, 652 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 5: safety net and set of services and programs that affect 653 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 5: everyone's life in some way. You know, students in higher education, 654 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 5: those seeking federal anti poverty support, or food programs or 655 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 5: federally subsidized housing, you know, whether it's housing, food, healthcare, 656 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 5: the basics that the things that everyone needs to survive. 657 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 5: They're potentially at risk based on one seemingly arbitrary and 658 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 5: capricious decision made by the President when he doesn't even 659 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 5: have the authority to make that decision. So it's a 660 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 5: dangerous game he's playing, and he's violating the law in 661 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 5: the process. 662 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: We knew it because we knew about Project twenty twenty five. 663 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: But it's still completely crazy, right, I mean, to see 664 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: it happen, to see that they're actually doing it is 665 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of nuts. What other things are you looking at 666 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: besides this dismantling of the federal government. 667 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 5: Well, looking at all the things, certainly immigration a big 668 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 5: area that the Corump administration has flagged for action, and. 669 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: They're trying to get to have people sort of see 670 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: as much immigration as possible, right, Like they want the 671 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: raids on television. They had doctor Phil in bed, famous 672 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: immigration reporter, Doctor Phil. They are hoping to get more 673 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: attention than they're necessarily deporting, right because for example, those 674 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: deportation flights to Columbia have been going on forever. The 675 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: fact that they were turned around. Now this one flight 676 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: was turned around was largely because it was a military plane. 677 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:32,479 Speaker 2: Right. 678 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're trying to you know, there's a lot of 679 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 5: performative politics here, a lot of showmanship as opposed to 680 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 5: real substantive progress over years past. This president is a showman, 681 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 5: he's a salesman. He's trying to sell his agenda and 682 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 5: show that he's doing something by putting it on TV, 683 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 5: by bringing military to the border. And I will point 684 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 5: out the massive hypocrisy in his rhetoric versus his action. 685 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 5: Talked about going after undocumented criminals and that would be 686 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 5: his focus that would be his priority. But on day one, 687 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 5: he went after American citizens and children with the executive 688 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 5: order attacking birthright citizenship. He went after children learning and 689 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 5: the faithful praying and patients healing in hospitals and schools 690 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 5: and churches. With his revocation of the memo preventing immigration 691 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 5: enforcement at sensitive sites. He went after those folks who 692 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 5: were participating and fully vetted and approved in legal immigration 693 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 5: programs where they were seeking refuge in asylum after facing 694 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 5: persecution and violence in their home country. So what he 695 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 5: is doing is not consistent with what he has said 696 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 5: he will do, and he's creating a lot of damage 697 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 5: in the process. We're looking at the use of the 698 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 5: military when it comes to immigration and whether it's being 699 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 5: used lawfully. We're certainly looking at reproductive freedom. His Safe 700 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 5: Mens and Project twenty twenty five talk about the weaponization 701 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 5: of the Comstock Act, the revocation of approval of FDA 702 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 5: for abortion medication, a potential national abortion ban. So we're 703 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 5: looking at all those spaces. We're looking at see what 704 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 5: he does on firearms, particularly ghost guns. He could take 705 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 5: a different position than the ATF under Biden did when 706 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 5: it comes to treating ghost guns. 707 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 4: Like what they are guns. 708 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 5: We're looking at what he does on the Department for 709 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 5: the Department of Education and his statement that he wants 710 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 5: to defund them DEI, the LGBTQ plus community. So there's 711 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 5: many areas where he has started to act with some 712 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 5: of his executive orders or acted already or said he 713 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 5: will act, and we're monitoring all of them. 714 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: Can you just talk us through, like, for example, let's 715 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: talk through birthrights citizenship. 716 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 2: Talk us through what you're doing now on that. 717 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 4: Sure? 718 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, our north star is what mister Trump doing unlawful. 719 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 4: If it's not, there's nothing for us to do. 720 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 5: If it is, we'll take him the court to make 721 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 5: sure he complies with the law birthrights citizenship. That executive 722 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 5: order on day one is a example of him taking 723 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 5: a clearly and blatantly unconstitutional, unlawful action, and we took 724 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 5: him to court immediately, as he should have been, and 725 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 5: we have restrained that unconstitutional action immediately. 726 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: So he issued an. 727 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 5: Executive order he attacked a fundamental constitutional right, the right 728 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 5: that says that all persons born in the United States 729 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 5: of America are American citizens, and he threatened in a 730 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 5: prospective way, thousands of children to be born in the 731 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 5: United States, including about twenty five thousand per year in California, 732 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 5: who otherwise would be American citizens, but because of his order, 733 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 5: they will not be, and that means they won't have 734 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 5: access to things like the Children's Health Insurance program CHIP 735 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 5: or Medicaid, or subsidized housing, or the student loan programs 736 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 5: or subsidized food programs. They will be deportable immediately. They 737 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 5: can't work legally, can't vote, can't serve un injury, can't 738 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 5: run for office, can't have a Social Security number, we 739 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 5: can't have a passport, and we sued. Over twenty states 740 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 5: sued in two different courts, and one of those courts 741 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 5: two days later issued a temporary restraining order preventing the 742 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 5: implementation of Trump's executive order, and in the process saying 743 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 5: that in the last four decades on the bench, and 744 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 5: this is a President Reagan Republican appointee, said he'd never 745 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 5: seen a clearer case that it was so clear that 746 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 5: the federal government was violating the law. He said his 747 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 5: mind was boggled that the US Department of Justice attorneys 748 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 5: could even come to court and make these arguments, and 749 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 5: said it was a blatant violation in the Constitution and 750 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 5: stopped it from being implemented. 751 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 4: You know, that's what Trump is doing. 752 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 5: That's what Republican appointees on the bench are saying he's doing. 753 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 5: And that's what attorneys general will do. We'll take him 754 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 5: to court when he breaks the law and stop him 755 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 5: immediately to make sure he's lawfully compliant. 756 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, Attorney General Fonta, Thank. 757 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 4: You now momently. 758 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon Molly. 759 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 3: I never like when we have to long for the 760 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 3: days of donass don't tell being a policy that's that's ridiculous. 761 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 3: So Trump has declared transgender soldiers unfit for the US military. 762 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I saw this coming. It's not a 763 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: huge shock. Trump has been at war with people who 764 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: are transgender. This is a very stupid, shitty thing. He 765 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: wants to punish people who are trans because of course 766 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: he does, because the cruelty is the point, and none 767 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: of us should be surprised. It appears to prohibit thousands 768 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: of transgender members from serving in the military, citing issues 769 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: of physical and mental readiness. 770 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they'll just say whatever. 771 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: It's just so incredibly shitty and unsurprising and welcome to 772 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: Trump two point zero, where all of his worst ideas flourish. 773 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 3: Stay tuned for tomorrow's episode to see if those sirens 774 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 3: that and going off the entire segment. If it was 775 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 3: just Molly getting taken. 776 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 2: Away, that was good. 777 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 778 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 779 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 780 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 781 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. 782 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.